Haridasdasdas

Fluoride is mad. I know someone who is a qualified western Doctor and he's not into it.

You know it's a byproduct of fertiliser or something? That's why they love it, it's cheap. Good for teeth, bad for brains maybe. Filtering should get it out I think.

Good luck with your raw rice!

Seriously though, you can't just live off only raw food forever, in a few years you will have a big comedown. Read up on it.

Now there are some words from our dear Guru Deva:"People debate many concepts related to bhakti and jnana. Some argue that devotion is superior, and some that knowledge is. Only those who don't know the true meaning of bhakti and jnana feel this way, seeing devotion and knowledge to be opposed, and are willing to fight over it. It has been said that to know Paramatma is jnana, and, having known Him, to worship Him is bhakti. If you don't know Him, then how can you worship Him? You see, it is very clear that without knowledge, bhakti is not possible. Neither those who are against jnana and in favour of the bhakti, nor those who favour jnana but oppose bhakti, are aware of their own spiritual blindness. How can one trust the testimony of the blind? We can only trust the words of someone who can see."

Lord Caitanya taught that a person should chant the names of Krishna in Japa and Kirtan, and study the Bhagavatam and Gita. That was enough to make Haridas Thakur into a Bhakta, and so many others. Haridas Thakur was a Muslim who probably grew up eating cows, yet he became a great saint, so that's the power of Harinam, he wasn't interested in any Jnana.

So maybe you can finally realise that what you are saying responds to your Advaita method of Sadhana, and not to other people.

Muslims, Christians don't have any vedic mantras, meditation, deity worship, etc but still they have real bhakti sometimes.

You can think it in both ways, because gods are laws of nature according to maharishi's understanding, and this laws are in your body to. So if you meditate upon "Om Sri Ram" you actually just healing you self and bringing in accordance with your own nature.

It is just a different point of view that you don't have because you don't have the knowlege of vedanta.

 

 

The problem with you lot is you think Advaita is so complicated and that nobody who disagrees with you can understand it. That's just false ego.

 

Fair point but where is the meditation in European cultural history? How many Spaniards, English etc can not even sit cross legged?

 

Sorry for saying 'he'.

Dont you also put your hands up when surrrendering up to radhe.He also does it .why should that be copying chaitanya mahaprabhu.He doesnt.

Perhaps I can find the picture. If you see it you won't be able to deny it.

Also Is it correct that he wears saffron but keeps a family? I don't know this one.

Edit: Checked google images, the picture isn't on there. It's not a photo, it's a pinting that's a little cartooney, a bit like a lot of BBT illustrations of books.

You posted a link to http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/

 

I guess you intended to refer to posts #27 & #29 in http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/world-review/452986-pakistan-nuclear-weapons-danger-falling-into-hands-taliban-2.html ..

Haha, Muslims are freedom fighters? Come on what freedom is there in a Muslim country? ...and I just read that Chandu posted the same thing in the thread.

Islam has some real love of God in there, but it upsets me when I think of the bad bits.

You can not understand scriptures well, if you never went in to yourself. How can you than reach and know God?

 

 

 

Chopra is new age, but as long he was with maharishi he was not "diluting" and this short talk is OK.

May a just add that my gurus guru was a Shankara of Jyotir Math

Righht, because Maharishi never diluted anything? Really?! Not at first he didn't, but then nobody was interested when he tried to spread religion, so he changed it to a 'meditation technique' and told everyone the mantras had no meaning. Om Sri Ram? I'd like to think that has a meaning, am I wrong?

TM is a watered down westernised version of Advaita Vedanta. I'm not a follower of Sri Adi Sankara, so maybe you and others can help me out here, but how often did He talk about 'Yogic hopping'? In fact how many 'TM meditators' can even name Adi Sankara? I don't know much about your Jyotir Math, but I imagine it is a proper establishment of Advaita Vedanta, and not some hodgepodge.

Oh hey, Chopra has his own 'method' now right? Primordial sound meditation, where your mantra is 'goooaaaa' or something equally crazy.

In response to your first point, that is your own experience, not any kind of universal truth, so come off it.

Edit: I think you may have a point on what you said to Lokeshwara, about Indians being more suited to meditation and dharma. Not to say only they can practise, maybe he misunderstands you.

of course not how can you compare.

Dont you understand why i am telling you.I listen to him that is why i am saying.first you learn and then comment.

How can I compare? The guy has pictures drawn of himself looking like Caitanya. I mean that's obviously who they're based on. How dodgy is that? How can anyone who just rips off other people be straight up?

I'm sure he teaches Bhakti and Love of God, and these are good things, and he is a good person of teaching them, and you are good for listening.

listen to him once and youll realise some ohis greatness.

'Yes he must be God!'

Oh and 'Sri Nirmala Mataji' too, the crazy lady incarnation of Shakti. Don't forget Sai Baba, the magician incarnation of Siva!

Yea these people are great, and we know there weren't loads of these guys in the past, because we don't hear about them any more, right?

Convert has to be the most awful word ever.

To me, all that says is a ridiculous desire to conform to social groupings and take on another material bodily designation.

If you say you are this or that, this is just materialism, worthless.

People think they are a Christian and so on because of some ceremony? Sincerety does not involve any stupid 'conversion'.

And Vaishnava Puranas classify Shaiva Puranas as tamasic. But which Shaiva heeds that nonsense?

 

Similarly, Devi worshippers do not attach value to the opinions of Vaishnava, Shaiva sects.

 

Cheers

Because if the argument was so easily resolvable, it probably wouldn't exist.

I also don´t like new-age guys who just simplify and dilute eternal thruts for the sake of ego or profit, but there is also another movement in the last century, the one of science.

This scientific logic is the great advantage we have today since the most of us lerned mathe in the school.

 

 

 

 

And why are than Vedas writing about it and why and whatabout are you philosophizing on this forum?

 

Why where you not impressed, maybe some explanation?

It's one thing to say this or that about minor points and scriptural explanations, but to make laudible claims like you have is a whole different thing. You think Bhakti can onyl occur under this or that condition. What do you know? There are Christians with Bhakti, Muslims with Bhakti etc etc.

They may not understand who is the personal God, but they have that love. What you are saying is basically that there is no such thing as the religious experience of others. This is ridiculous.

Deepak Chopra is a new age guy who dilutes things for profit. We don't need his shit on here.

Jeevatma is NOT GOD.

 

If you say it is,then you have to reconcile the vedic statements that there are THREE SEPERATE ETERNAL tattvas : The controller(Brahm),the enjoyer(jeevatma) and the enjoyed(maya) with the nonsense theory that 'Jeeva is brahm.'

 

Tulsidasa states,"Kahat kathin smujhat kathin sadhan kathin vivek."

To even explain the Nirguna brahm is tough,it is much more tough to understand it and toughest is to practise jnana marga.

 

Sri Kripaluji Maharaja states,"All these Advaita vadis...they talk ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.Sab bakwaas karte hai.Sab bakwaas."

 

He further challenges,"There are FOUR conditions before even gaining,talking,thinking about Nirguna Brahm : Shanto dant uparatas titiskhu. Sham-Shant means control over the mind.How many people in 9 billion have control over their mind ??"

 

There are many people who are trying to explain that everything is brahm.this that...

All nonsense.You people are just like the advaita vadis who just go on talking nonsense,even when they are not qualified.

Shanto dant uparatas titikshu

 

AND THEN : Athato brahm Jigyasa.

This is the crteria set by shankaracharya himself.

 

So anyone who thinks he can expound on Nirguna brahm is a complete fool.

Even Brahm is not the name in the nirguna sect.It doesn't even have a name.So how can you explain ??? ALL nonsense.

No, God is Parabrahman, whilst jivatma is brahman. You can't deny that Jiva is Brahman, it's all over the Upanisads.

let him ......... karma works for all i think . if he is doing anything wrong krishna can look into it and if he is doing good krishna would reward him . leave that to gods hand . who are we to interpret ? observe , understand and be silent . the more you shout the more enemies shall you create . moreover do you really think that any one individual can lift the ignorance(if any) off the followers face ?

I'm just trying to point it out to people. This guy is dodgy.

i respect mahaprabhu and dont know much about kripaluji .

 

but still i would like to ask you , why did you think someone is trying to compare the two movements ? neither the original poster nor sant did anything to compare or create a competition !! why , then is this comparision ? why are the hare krsnas always in the mode of comparative evalution of their own faith with the others ?

 

is it because of their own deep rooted chronic insecurity ??

No, its because this guy has paintings done with him looking just like Caitanya. I saw some leaflet/brochure they had printed one time, and it was almost a picture of caitanya, you know the typical one with the arms raised. The guy calls himself Mahaprabhu.

So who is making a comparison?

You'd have thought she would have visited India by now.

I'm not a qualified person, but when I read that verse I thought it only meant that the moon was a light in the night sky, like the stars, but much brighter than them, from our perspective.

I don't see that it neccessarily says that the stars are just like the moon, regardless of whether or not they are.

You are right, I read this part now and it is not looking easy to understand.

I give it once more a try:

 

So this part is OK:

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What is your consciousness?

Your consciousness is its content. What you see you become, things around you, your thoughts, your emotions..

But what happens when consciousness is empty? You see god, because you are "made in the image of God".

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explanation:

Well you stay only with God since your consciousness is always aware, since this is its nature. If you have nothing to see and you are aware, not in deep sleep where your awareness shuts down, you see God since he is only who remains.

This is famous theorie of yoga,budhism and advaita and should be well known. When you stop thinking you see who you realy are, "yogas citta vritti nirodha"

 

 

But this part I would modify:

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Now, one thing is just to see that you are realy this state of emtiness of thoughts and maintain this state during activity, the other thing to learn to act out of this state. When you act out of this state, you become "gods servant", MMY would call it "gods consciousness"

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Well, when you saw god in this short moment of stillness of your thoughts, you are still not realy aware of god when you come out of this state.

You have to make your emotions,thoughts more subtile to see god also later.

Even if your state of stillness is there after every thought, if you didn`t refine your thinking, emotions, senses you will not be aware of god in every object.

And this is actually your "bhakti" way. But it has much more sinn when you are experiencing this stillness...

 

Greetings from MMY

I didn't say that I didn't understand it, I said I wasn't impressed. Don't be so egotistical that you think anyone who doesn't agree with you cannot understand you. There is your weakness. Perhaps your whole new-age 'behind religion' gimmick is just an attempt to feel better than others?

You write all these words, but they're all meaningless. You write about what cannot be written about, and so you're left with a page of meaningless symbols.

Yes, Krishna Consciousness but not necessarily Iskcon. They are NOT the same thing although Iskcon may or may not be a Krishna conscious organization.

 

Hence to give up Iskcon does not have to mean you gave up Krishna consciousness.

 

Countless souls throughout all universal existence have awakened their dormant Krishna consciousness without hearing the term Iskcon.

 

Was Bhaktisiddhanta a member of Iskcon the incorporated entity?

 

Srila Prabhupada himself was Krishna concious before founding Iskcon.

 

On this point we should become crystal clear.

 

Hare Krishna

Strangely enough, there does seem to be a need to point that out.

i dont know about his teachings but i have seen him worshipped as vishnu .

they have his idols .

Bhajans on tv referring gangaram as vishnu.

 

he was born a long time ago.not there anymore.

only his disciple who also recently died.

They have propagated hi worship i think.

So what?

You know that picture is a violation of BBT copyright?

The person who painted it DID NOT wish for this man's murthi to be put over the face of Krishna. It seem's this man's followers lack the artistic ability to paint pictures themselves.

Please tell me where this picture is from, it is illegal.

EDIT: I have founf their website, and emailed BBT about it.

I given up KC.

 

I have realized I am just a normal Hindu and should have listened to my parents as they are my Guru. I should never have accepted Guru.

 

If I'd listened to my parents I would been happier.

 

I know Krishna is God, but I'm still a normal every day Hindu.

 

Jai Sri Ram

Other than a different allegiance, what does this mean?

It's not about allegiances to one group or another, it's about what you are doing, and what your consciousness is. Everything else is secondary to that.

So, what does this mean? What is different now and why is it different?

What is your consciousness?

Your consciousness is its content. What you see you become, things around you, your thoughts, your emotions..

But what happens when consciousness is empty? You see god, because you are "made in the image of God". That´s why god is transcendent.

 

Now, one thing is just to see that you are realy this state of emtiness of thoughts and maintain this state during activity, the other thing to learn to act out of this state. When you act out of this state, you become "gods servant", MMY would call it "gods consciousness"

 

This all Indian gods are just parts of our physiology as they are parts of our universe, beacause we are "made in the image of God". When you revive them, your brain is functioning properly, one can say you are in devotion to god.

 

please fill the gap between www in link

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I don't find that terribly impressive.

You look sure they are cheaters

But baba gangaram is considered an avtar by many just, look at his site

ive posted it

I'm not going to. How many 'god men' are there out there?

I never said he was a bad person, I'm sure he does good work, but he's one of many.

I'm sure when you ask him about his claims to be god he simply says that actually everyone is god and he is just helping them realise that, blah blah blah.

Forgive my scepticism, but it isn't hard to get people to follow you in India, theres thousands of these people, they come and go.

Namaste,

 

Ambedkar is a poor example of buddhism. He not only denies Sanathana Dharm but also the metaphysicis of Buddhism. His version is not a part of mainstream Buddhist doctrine therefore I wouldn't take what his group says as an acurate representation. He took Buddhism and used it for his own political purposes.

 

Hari Om!

...because he is obsessed with material designations.