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    Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

    Valaya: Krsna (Hari) has taken everything away from Valaya and left him wretched, forlorn and alone in this world. However, Valaya has been blessed by Srimati Radharani Herself for which he can only be humbly grateful.

     

    Satyaraj: Oh, really!? He did not take your liquor’s bottles, did He? Find yourself a place in Hari’s lila here and maybe you will get a place in His lilas hereafter. False renunciation is very common up here. At least be sincere: Did Hari has taken you everything or you have falsely disdained this world?

    You, or anyone else for that matter, is welcome to visit and see for yourself who I am and what my so-called `life` is about. There's an older brazilian devotee here that I've known for a few years, Kuladeva das. Perhaps you would like to speak with him or both of us by phone.

     

    Maybe I could just send pictures, doctors' reports, family letters, etc. You could also call Bhaktimarga Swami at ISKCON Toronto, as he has known me since 1971 when we lived together in the temple as brahmacaris. That's the best I can offer for now, prabhu. Sorry again...RR

     

     

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    Originally posted by ram:

    Most people fall under the category of here and hereafter not here or here after. When one surrenders to Sri Krishna, he continues His duties until Sri Krishna Himself absolves the sadhaka of his duties here so that he may relish here after while here or here after. And then he still continues to act on behalf of people here. When the here and here after are seen both as energies of the Supreme Master Sri Krishna, who is the master of both here and here after and who is here and here after and here before, there is a complete symphony between the here, here after and here before. Arjuna protected dharma here while preparing ground for here after. That which is here therefore can be dovetailed for the here after if the focus is on the here after and the guidance comes from the masters of the here after. The conflict comes when one things that he is in the here after while he actually is only here and thinks that others need to attacked because they are opponents of the master of the here after. Or when some one thinks that what is here is only real and that what comes here after is unreal and wants every one to spend time and effort only on what is here.

     

    I hope I am clear about what I had to say here. Or let me know, I could clarify here after - Posted Image

    Priceless, prabhu!!! RR

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

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    Originally posted by Arvindaksh das:

    Shri Shri Guru Gaurangau Jayatah !!!!

     

    Dear Shvu prabhu,

     

    Whether it be the Vedas or the Shrimad Bhagvatam, anybody who ventures to read them (leave alone understand), needs one quality the most HUMILITY.

     

    How about these words ....

    A person should be clear in his mind as to what is his position in this creation (even from the modern science's point of view). Position of most of the common individuals (who do not impact the history of Earth) is like a speck of dust on the Earth! Earth is a speck of dust in the Milkyway! Milkyway is a speck of dust in the Universe! Our scriptures tell us that our Universe is a speck of dust in the infinite Universes! Then what for our material / knowledge ego!!! Then what for our material greed, arrogance, lust, anger, lack of compassion, envy, mistrust, the desire to posses that which belongs to another and other evils. Please think..........

    Thanks for the gentle reminder, prabhu. Nice to hear from you personally! `From dust to dust...`

     

     

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    Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

    Jndas: And out of curiosity, which caste is it that you identify with? By what sanction would people from Brazil study the shruti?

     

    Satyaraj: What a unfaithful one you are Jndas! Don’t you believe that Gaudiya-gurus can give brahmanhood to everyone? Even to Brazilians? As I had got two brahminical initiations from these Gaudiya-gurus now I am a Brahmin, and for certain I am mastered in all srutis as you may witness by yourself!

    Perhaps if you'd listened to Srila Narayan Maharaja when he suggested you curtail your reading, Satyaraja dasa...now it appears to be a case of, "Physician heal thyself!"

     

    Acceptance of Sri Guru means much more than initiation, at least in the narrow sense that you seem to understand it. Don't blame others for your inability to take the medicine as prescribed.

     

    Many here are more than willing to help in any way they can, but without the proper attitude on your part, they ultimately become frustrated and alienated. I'm truly sorry, prabhu, that I can't do more personally.

     

    valaya RR

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

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    Originally posted by Maitreya:

    Suryaz said [quoting Rishi]:

    Nooo, women don't practice seduction,no way.Ha ha ha.That is evident in the chaste way they dress here in the West.Tight, low cut, see through blouses, look at me look at me.Titilation nation.I'm a lusty dog so I'm not complaining just stating the obvious.

     

    If you want to be real and honest then at least admit that women do try to seduce men.I know men try to seduce women.If that fact isn't the most obvious basic thing to someone then this discussion has no hope.

     

    Admitting to that is not admitting to hatred of the opposite sex.It is just admitting to something every 11 year old already knows.

     

    Forget it Rishi.You tried.

     

    Suryaz,I could be wrong, but I hear you speaking through Rishi to someone else in your past.We all do this.Rishi is not your enemy.He is just a nice person who put himself out there and got a swift kick in the face with a spiked shoe for his trouble.Unlike you from what I have read in your many other posts.

     

    Here is a fact that I have noticed and I'm sure the world may have seen an exception or two, maybe even three.

     

    The woman wants to change the man.If the man changes she will lose respect for him.If he doesn't she will keep trying and complaining that "Oh woo is me,I've tried so hard in this relationship but he is so insensitive,he just won't improve the way I want him too.I guess I just love too hard.I just care too much."

     

    Contemplating the sense objects breeds lust.Lust brings frustration and anger.[For both sexes]Then bewilderment of memory intelligence is lost and we fall down deeper into the material muck.

     

    By not nderstanding this sequence when we experience the anger then the blame for that rotten feeling gets shifted to the opposite party.They failed to make one happy.It works both ways.

     

    Nectar in the beginning and poison in the end.[remember this is sexism thread and not the relationship one].

     

    A deep dark forest of bewilderment.

     

    Alfred

     

    Maitreya prabhu, I'm sorry that your post appeared just prior to the big departure. This is not the time to disturb your mind by entering into such a `discussion` here.

     

    Of course, women often seem to sense when a man might be a little more vulnerable or off-balance and time their attacks accordingly, conciously or unconciously. Certainly they never forget perceived wrongs and indeed seem to store them, festering away somewhere deep in their psyches, as ammunition for some future surprise attack.

     

    Never mind, brother, they'll still be here when you return, just itching to get their little claws into you! Maybe you'll have some extra ammo of your own by then... please remember what I said about Radhika. She really does hold the key to all of this and, in fact, everything else. What more can I say?

     

    Give your `manhood` to Her only, along with your heart and soul. You and I are not family people and there's a big difference between them and us...wish I could share more, but I'm sure you understand why it would prove impossible on these forums, at least right now.

     

    Insist on belonging only to Her, not Krsna or anyone else, and She will care for you in the most personal, intimate ways UNCONDITIONALLY.

     

    valaya RR

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

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    Suryaz: The discourse is about the deceptive use of language, the promotion of it, acceptance of it’ and even more shocking is the obvious non-compusmentus of it, so sadly displayed by many.

    Perhaps this could start a separate thread, if only I could figure out what `non-compusmentus` means...Suryaz prabhu, Maitreya seldom reveals himself as Alfred, so please don't make him retreat simply because you aren't satisfied with the way he's expressing himself. It ain't easy, sister! RR

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-27-2001).]

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    Am I wrong in thinking that, although this is only virtual reality, we are becoming increasingly real to each other, or at least trying our best to? If so, I am most grateful, prabhus. Of course there are limits to what can be accomplished here, but miracles are possible, are they not?

     

    If only we can keep faith in our real selves and the eternal relationship between us, birth after birth. There is so much to digest, I must chant and pray for awhile until hopefully the right words appear and I can reply in kind. Then again, maybe if I just sleep on it... ALL GLORIES TO THE ASSEMBLED DEVOTEES!!! RR

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    Suryaz:

    That is just the point Rishi, Why even use such violations in your use of language? It seems you do not even realise the root of your injustice. It seems you are oblivious to the root structure of your own deception. In so doing your self-deception becomes your justification. Instead of working towards creating such ‘justification’ why not challenge the origin of your stance; a stance that has caused much suffering for the “other”. A stance that not only ultimately violates the self, but is the origin of violence itself.

     

    Prabhu, with all due respect, any realization is enabled through His Divine Grace acting as the via medium, due to perfect purity achieved by complete surrender unto their lordships Sri Sri Radha-Krsna.

     

    It is not our position to read into each other's words lack of realization on their part, nor should we believe that we may somehow be capable to help them in that regard. Although we ourselves may have some realization, and surely we all have a glimmer at least, we are not necessarily empowered to share it with anyone else.

     

    Inevitably we end up just attempting to beat it into each others' `thick skulls`, usually to the detriment of whatever it was we were trying to accomplish in the first place.

     

    Often we men come to the conclusion that women will never be satisfied with our `performance` and since you mean SO much to us, more than we are ever likely to be capable of expressing, it can be completely dispiriting. In other words, you can end up destroying whatever it is you're attempting to perfect in us.

     

    In some ways, we never really `grow-up`, only older and more set in our ways. Men are seldom comfortable communicating intimate emotions, although they may need to desperately.

     

    Madhurya-lila includes all the others. The mother-child relationship must also be there sometimes. No offence intended, Suryaz, but for Rishidas to question your gender speaks volumes...

     

    It would be a real shame if this thread went the way of the one on VNN, which might actually have cost us the entire forum there. Thank you for your consideration of these points, prabhus.

     

    valaya RR

     

     

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-26-2001).]

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    All conditioned souls are continually exploiting the material energy in their attempts to achieve pleasure and avoid pain. Body after body, pain inflicted becomes pain received and vice versa until finally, by causeless divine mercy, the association of a pure devotee is granted. Then the identification with the body as enjoyer begins to fade and understanding of true identity and purpose is naturally aquired.

     

    Seldom does this process happen overnight, therefore a certain amount of patience, tolerance and forebearance is generally required. The choice is always there whether to drag our heels or embrace Divine Grace wholeheartedly. Blaming others will not help us. Humbly accepting the lowest position as servant of all will.

     

    Ultimately, there is no escape from the pain, in fact we're told that eventually it's transformed into bliss, as devotional conciousness matures. It seems the question is whether we're in this for the long run, eternity, or merely looking for some temporary improvement in our material position.

     

    From bhakti comes more bhakti. Anything else is simply not bhakti and only bhakti will end this cycle once and for all. The responsibility to commit to pure devotion resides with us alone. It is a personal decision of the heart for each individual. Having taken that step, however, there is no turning back...

     

    The husband belongs to the wife and the wife belongs to the husband, but both belong to God. So what then is the real obligation of each towards the other? Those who seek others to assist them in fulfilling their personal obligations themselves become debtors. Surrender must be done all by oneself, whether one is alone or within a family.

     

    I would like nothing better than to discuss such topics as pure devotion, surrender and Srimati Radharani. Unfortunately, most appear to have other priorities and those that don't are too busy performing their own sadhana and service to allow themselves to become entangled in these endless me-vs.-you and us-vs.-them what-is-truth and who-is-responsible squabbles.

     

    Actually, they tend to avoid these forums like poison, as I myself have been advised to by everyone I've approached for help in these matters, so-called karmis and devotees both. They can see how the conflicts distress me. Only a complete fool whose miserable empty life consists only of pain would continue rehashing all this over and over again, without any evident benefit to anyone. Talk after all is only talk, isn't it?

     

    For now I see you all as my family and thus a personal responsibility I've taken on, but should I be presented a way to extricate myself from all this, I surely will. That, along with every other aspect of my fallen existence in this wretched body, depends on the One to whom I belong.

     

    Guess that's my way of evading personal responsibility, eh prabhus? At least it's not getting dumped on any other embodied soul. The muck stops here!

     

    valaya RR

     

    [This message has been edited by valaya (edited 09-26-2001).]

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    Originally posted by paul108:

    You have a serious mental problem. This is at least the third threat you've made against me. Haven't you got better things to do? I hadn't even looked at this thread, and then I find more threats. Give it up.

     

    O.K. little brother, you're on your own. Haribol! RR

     

     

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    Valaya (Posting 2) honoured the foundational posting with a spiritually insightful thrust. His response has not been honoured.

    It is so often the case that the scripture is used to emphasise someone's error (or the perception of purported error) at the expense of promoting the genuinely illuminating response.

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    talasiga@hotmail.com

    Smothered with scripture and drowned in dispute...so what else is new, eh? RR

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    rishidas:

    I consider this to be an important thread here, being that it attempts to address the situation of estranged or isolated devotees around the world who have little or no personal sanga with their godbrothers and godsisters.

    Dear prabhu, Thank you for your honest personal contributions to this thread. Also thanks to Audarya lila dasa. I do hope that we can transcend blaming the male gender or particular individuals here and encourage the intimate emotional sharing that many of us find so difficult. RR

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    In wartime, perceived threat is identical to threat and treated accordingly.

     

    So far as Krsna, Srila Prabhupada, devotional service and devotees are concerned, you continue to prove that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

     

    Once again, telling some one they're acting like an idiot is not identical with calling them an idiot, although they may in fact actually be an idiot.

     

    Wishing another dead and wanting to kill them are two different things, but if I were you I wouldn't push it...as pointed out previously, I am not the one you should worry about.

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