valaya

Originally posted by JRdd:

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Satyaraja das:

This is beyond our reasoning faculties and therefore these inferences are but childish explanations.

You assume that any attempted explanations of inferences that are beyond reasoning faculties are `childish`. That, of course, puts you who rely on reason in a parental position in relation to the `children` here. Therefore you preach down to us in a patronizing way that many find offensive and even ignorant.

Are you saying that the Absolute Truth can be confined by your reasoning abilities? Get serious, prabhu!!! Do not Hari/Hara have the capability and divine right to reveal themselves however, wherever, whenever and to whoever they choose? Are they not able to put themselves under the `control` of whomever they wish?

Those sincere souls whose humble hearts have been cleansed by tears of remorseful longing and made porous through service in devotion should be considered suitable candidates for the personal mercy of Hari/Hara. Still `causeless` Divine Grace is needed even to arrive at that position. Of course, that's just my own humble opinion and experience.

Do you not see that beating your head against all this only toughens it? First we must surely accept that the heart alone can realize, then concentrate our efforts to disolve it's stonelike exterior, somehow accumulated over countless lifetimes. Eventually, we may give up, realizing our completely hopeless and helpless situation.

Only then can we become fully eligible to receive that which alone will suffice. From there some inkling of understanding may dawn in our receptive hearts concerning the relationship between Sri Hari and His saktis, which is so beautifully illuminated in the pastimes of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna, available through the six goswamis of Vrndavan.

When we find ourselves actually entering into those divine activities emotionally on the side of Sri Radhika, by His Divine Grace, our progress is assured under the personal guidance and protection of the Internal Potency.

JAI NITAI-GAURANGA! JAI SRI GURUDEVA! JAI JAI SRI RADHA! RR

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Originally posted by atma:

April 11 makes you have the Sun in Piscis in Vedic astrology. More sensitive than an Aries.

Thank you, prabhu. Very interesting because in many ways my involvement with Krsna conciousness, specifically Srimati Radharani, has made me more sensitive in very positive ways. While there is certainly plenty of fire and a lot of Aires influence, I think Pisces tend to be mystically inclined. Is that true about mysticism? Don't have much technical knowledge of these things myself, only personal experience.

The heritage of the smarta vaisnavism:

Dear Vaisnavas,

Today we were meditating on the generosity of Srila Bhaktivinod

Thakur and his appreciation of other devotees, including those who

search for the truth in other traditions.  This sentiment of his is so outstanding and enchanting.  Yet, it is surprising that even among

those who claim to follow in his disciplic succession, an incredible

amount of sectarianism and  narrow mindedness still prevails.

Some people teach their disciples that they are the only way to the

highest truth. They utilize the high esoteric teachings of our

acharyas in this connection. In other words they differentiate the

surrender to one¹s spiritual master with the process of achieving

highest bhakti. They go so far as to say that even initiated Gaudiya

Vaisnavas Acharyas in our line are only vartmana-pradarsaka-

gurus, and that neither they nor their disciples will be benefited with the highest truth save and except if they come to this particular person or his mission.

That means that whoever preaches in this sectarian way denies the power of the maha-mantra, the mercy of the caitya-guru and the validity of our living tradition.In contrast to that, hear what Bhaktivinode said: "Those who are anxious for the blessings of God are our brothers in faith, whatever error there may be in their ideas and form of worship." Or what about his other quote: "Sectarianism is the worst enemy of truth."

But it is not surprising that such distorted claims of uniqueness are coming even from people born in India, last not least India is the land where smart-Brahminism was born. To clarify, smart-brahmanism is the sense that people claim superiority over others on the basis of their birth or their knowledge disregarding the qualities or devotion which may be in others. Nobody denies the validity of association with a real loving saint, but loving saints do not destroy the Guru-disciple relationships or disregard the efforts others make to find the truth and to please Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

We are happy to say in contrast that there were others Vaisnavas

Acaryas who thought and acted perfectly. The most outstanding

example here is my own spiritual master Srila Prabhupad who even

risked to give sannyas to his western born disciples, and who

requested all of his disciples to become genuine spiritual masters

in the Gaudy Vaisnava tradition. He never said that you should not

start preaching until you have realized your spiritual form in the

spiritual world. As a matter of fact he never told anybody of his own

spiritual body in the spiritual world. But he realized the great need

of real local Vaisnava saints if the movement of Sri Caitanya

Mahaprabhu was going to be successful all over the world because

personal trust and personal relationship is a fundamental principal

of surrender.

A number of saints have carried this message forward. Srila

Bhaktiraksak Sridhar Maharaj accepted and expanded on the work

of Srila Prabhupad. He told us: "Everybody must be happily

accommodated in the family of Krsna consciousness." He

encouraged the disciples of Srila Prabhupad to initiate others in the

spiritual life and he embraced all spiritual masters and his disciples in his loving mood. Srila Bhaktipramode Puri Maharaj agreed that western and Eastern followers of Lord Caitanya should work

together as equals to defend the dignity of Lord Caitanya in the

world. As president of the World V.A. he realized that to

accommodate the feelings of other Acharyas, their disciples and

their feelings for their gurus is not an easy thing.

It is not synonymous with memorizing many slokas from rasik

literature. It is not synonymous with personal name, fame and

influence in the Vaisnava world. Neither is it synonymous with

having a big mission or having the most exalted Guru himself; such

mature realization which qualifies a person to become even the

Guru of other Gurus, depends on the love and generous mercy

which emanates from such a person, which attracts other

Vaisnavas to them and which enables them to harmonize all the

feelings in one great love and ecstasy. Such a soul is rarely found.

I pray that these few lines may clarify some of the doubts which

have arisen in the mind of many of my god brothers and other

Vaisnavas as well in recent years. I offer my obeisances to all

those readers of this article, and especially pray for the mercy of all those who sincerely try to please their spiritual masters, so one

day I may become a sincere servant of my spiritual masters.

Your aspiring servant,

Swami B.A. Paramadvaiti 

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What is RR.I have a guess but..

Three meanings so far! RR

Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

Valaya: Might be one way to avoid those awful crowds... Also, would they be entitled to all those virgins on arrival in `heaven`, like the suicide bombers?

 

Satyaraj: Recently Jagatji has posted an impressive article on pilgrimage to Jagannatha Puri during 19th century. The details were terrible. Actually people would not care to die at that pilgrimage. Famine and cholera were the lethal weapons to kill multitudes of pilgrims every year for centuries. Mainly women and children.

 

Even in the West no one would refuse to go to Palestine during the Muslim rule over the holy land. Death was certain. But even children would make a crusade of millions to go to Palestine, knowing very well what kind of fate they would face.

 

Can we call these people ‘suicide bombers’?

Excellent point, Satyraja prabhu! This is what makes it so difficult to match their strength of committment. Our western materialistic lifestyle is the real suicide! Still, the immediate physical threat must be addressed with everything at our disposal. Then we will surely have to face the consequences of what to a large extent we've brought on ourselves...good time for preaching, if only we can first realize! RR

That last post was inspired by the one immediately above it from Jayaradhe prabhu. It was not the reply I hope to give regarding marriage and devotee relationships. Still, there is a connection between our ability to relate with each other personally and our personal relationship with the Divine Absolute, which I trust is obvious to all here. RR

O.k. kiddies, g'nite sleep tight!

JRdd prabhu, the tears we cry no more belong to us than anything else! They're Her tears! Our separation is Her separation! We are Her's--lock, stock and barrel! Acintya-bheda-bheda must be realized in the heart. The intimacy we have with Her is almost unimaginable! All that's required is to feel strongly the need to share your heavy heart and the faith that it actually is possible to do so with Her personally.

That, and giving up the desire to enjoy Krsna independently, knowing that He and everything else belong to Her only. SHE is the inner potency that is the basis of all the others and we are each infinitismal parts of HER! Really, our position is so vimmensely special and unique, prabhu.

Please try to appreciate the mercy we are ALL receiving through Lord Caitanya, Prabhu Nityananda, and Srila Prabhupada (not to mention the Goswamis of Vrndavana and the entire parampara!). The baby cries and the Mother gently lifts it to Her breast, singing softly. Prabhuji, She is right here with us now and always!!!

The only separation is between Her and Krsna and even that is only for the purpose of these wondrous pastimes constantly being created for US! For as much as we are Theirs', amazingly They are ours! It's just a matter of properly plugging into that energy in the right place--RADHA! That separation everyone is so desperate to avoid is the key to all that we really need! JAI SRI RADHE! RR

From Leyh on another thread:

I've been reading Srila Prabhupada's "Elevation to Krsna Consciousness recently and in it,he writes:

"We are Krsna's parts and parcels and have been created to give pleasure to Krsna. The chief pleasure potency is Radharani, and so Radha-Krsna are always together. Whereas the material energy is conducted by the external potency, Maya, the spiritual world is conducted by the internal potency, Radharani. We often pray to Radharani because She is the pleasure potency of Krsna. The very word "Krsna" means all-attractive, but Radharani is so great that She attracts Krsna. If Krsna is always attractive to everyone, and Radharani is attractive to Krsna, how can we imagine the position of Srimati Radharani?

We should try humbly to understand and offer Her our obeisances, saying, "Radharani, You are so dear to Krsna. You are the daughter of King Vrsabhanu, and You are Krsna's beloved. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You. Radharani is very dear to Krsna, and if we approach Krsna through the mercy of Radharani, we can easily attain Him. If Radharani recommends a devotee, Krsna immediately accepts him, however foolish he may be. Consequently in Vrndavana we find that devotees chant Radharani's name more often than Krsna's. Wherever we go in India we will find devotees calling, "Jaya Radhe."

We should be more interested in worshiping Radharani, for however fallen we may be, if somehow or other we can please Her, we can very easily understand Krsna. If we try to understand Krsna by the speculative process, we will have to spend many lifetimes of speculation; but if we take to devotional service and just try to please Radharani, then Krsna can be very easily realized. Radharani is such a great devotee that She can deliver Krsna."(Elevation to Krsna Consciousness,Chapter Five:Knowing Krsna's Energies)

April 11 = Fearless Aries. C'mon the rest of you, show and tell...

Originally posted by Maitreya:

Which ones are those.My pus bag is almost 50.I think that is the waning side of middle age so you can't mean me.

 

Yeh, let's check in physically. Next April makes 58 for me. Hard to believe...

Originally posted by Maitreya:

Okay what I feared has come true .Valaya is claimimg runt status for himself alone.This is the danger of giving compliments.

 

Now now, no need for envy! God has unlimited litters and you can be a runt, too. Course, I'll still be Her favourite...!

Originally posted by Maitreya:

Thanks for the cake.I have been expressing oddness all my life.

 

You should know that Radha's Runt is a compliment.Realizing our small and undeveloped nature we take shelter of Hara.

I felt no animosity from you, prabhu. That was actually my favourite. It's true, She took pity on the runt of the litter and still does! RR

Originally posted by dasanudas:

Valaya Prabhu,

The concern is that that is exactly what they are doing too. Psyching themselves for the ultimate showdown they are also petrified that America will nuke them so they are prepared to give up their lives. and it seems for a lot of them they have nothing to lose, materially speaking, unlike the western world.

My first view of the news this morning wasn't exactly uplifting. Millions of Indonesian extremist muslems vow to destroy all American embasies if America tries to attack Afghanistan, no doubt it's the luny brigade again but this fervour is drawing more and more sympathizers in to their vortex.

I also read that Carlos the Jackal is rubbing his hands with glee at the news from his prison cell in France. It is a little unnerving to think how many of these loopies are out there. They seem to burn off each others hatred, the great dilemna is that they will probably never come into contact with the Vaisnava conception for them to even consider another point of view.

Remember all the macho posturing in Iraq. They ended up kissing American soldiers' boots! We cannot allow public support to wane due to weakness. No time for sentimentality or even mercy. Ruthlessness must be the order of the day, I regret to say. Viet-nam style pacifisism will not have the desired effect this time; in fact, quite the opposite.

The main worry is nuclear and biological weapons. We should try to prepare ourselves psychologically for the worst, during this brief calm before the storm. Devotees know they are not their bodies and simply chanting japa has a far reaching effect on everyone and everything. Keep the faith, prabhu! RR

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Dear Mr.D prabhu, I feel that your `dawning` rates a whole thread of it's own, so here 'tis along with my humble obeisances. valaya RR

From Mr. Dasanudas:

You know regarding the question of keeping up, something just dawned on me. We desperately try to hold on to strings of things mentally to catorgarize and file them according to our minds apathy and sympathy towards everything, Or rejection and acceptance, but I think when we really let go of this penchant the real experience and process of Saranagati begins and a great relief comes to the heart as it fills up with acceptance for all, and I mean all in the struggle to realize the presence of God everywhere. And it even transcends tolerance as it becomes affection for the common struggle, from the little ant tryin' to cart a crumb home to his family to an acharya trying to compassionately share the load of his disciples. It seems to be a ploy of the Lord in the heart. From that state we seem to have to figure our priorities on who, where and what to focus this substance they call love on, although it wishes to give itself to every part of the environment, still there are some points that are more reciprocal than others, where this substance is concentrated in abundance.

This is a very healthy and humbling experience. I'm not sure if this is just speculation but I can relate to this statement 'I can't keep up,' quite often especially of late when there's so much to take in. It actually brings me to pray where can I best give what capacity I may have, so that it can be best utilized for the service of the whole. Often times the devotees are sparking new sentiments and realizations from their own truths, to this I'm sincerely indebted. As Srila Bhaktisiddanta declared to his disciples "Oh my saviours you are always helping me from great dangers, in giving me Krsna."

Originally posted by Vipashna:

Dear ggohil,

 

This is a reasonable point for discussion and I am distressed that it has been ignored by many of the participants in the discussion so far.

 

Surely a prayer seeking harm or emnity to any being will only result in harm to the person praying.

 

To believe that God is on the side of such a person is pure delusion.

 

 

 

No devotee wishes to cause pain to anyone or anybody. War is HELL!!! Much of what you see here and probably over other media is our side preparing to face it aggressively. We cannot afford to lose and this will require strong inner resolve and commitment more than in any previous conflict. We will NOT allow ourselves to become imtimidated or cowered by fear!

The quickest way to unite and psyche ourselves for what will soon be upon us, is to demean and depersonalize the enemy. Sorry to say, like the inevitable physical and emotional suffering, It is a necessary part of this nasty package. We have to believe without a doubt that we are right and that right will be victorious. Doubt and fear are our worst enemies, especially when entering a prolonged fight against terrorism, as those are the subtle weapons being used against us. Please try to remember that and remind others when the dark cloud descends upon us all. RR

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Originally posted by talasiga:

And guess who

is reading same ?

 

Is the web so complex

or the fly so simple ?

 

 

 

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Believe it or not, I care for all the regulars on this forum. Therefore, everything posted is read. As I've already said, though, most of what you write is probably not appreciated fully by me. What to do? RR

Originally posted by Maitreya:

'Stranded' in Vraja? Cool!

 

Dying while in Vraja? Cool!

Right on, prabhu! Maybe you could just ship that Holy Water... Can you imagine, perhaps, a tanker full??!! RR

Originally posted by JRdd:

Hm. I notice this thread is being (perhaps studiously) ignored. Feelings are pretty scary eh? Hope I didn't ruffle anyone's ridges.

 

Good morning souls. Jiv jago!!!

Dear JRdd, Since you are opening up more, your depth and complexities become increasingly apparent. This communications medium does have it's limations, especially in trying to share personal feelings. So many times we tend to misinterpret one another.

I really would like to talk to more of you over the phone, since meeting face-to-face seems impossible. Such a shame we can't talk over the kitchen table while taking prasadam! In spite of very limited finances and fixed income, I will pay for the calls on Sunday (cheap rate). Later at night is the best time. I can understand your reluctance, prabhu, so don't feel I'm pushing you.

Will try to reply to your posts as best I can, after giving them the attention they deserve. One thing I'll say now, though, is that you're a lot stronger than you may think. It's just a certain type of strength that must be recognized. Like Mr.D said on another thread, we fall to the ground and the ground lifts us up. I can see clearly that you are gaining increased realization in that regard. JAI RADHE! RR

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1) Wouldn't want to blow up Maitreya, I'm sure he's gotten `bombed` enough times all by himself! Besides, I'm hoping he'll lug back gallons of Radha-kund water for us all. I've still got enough for a few years, but if we lose access to the Holy Places...

2) Can't help wondering how many would go on a pilgrimage that meant certain death! Might be one way to avoid those awful crowds... Also, would they be entitled to all those virgins on arrival in `heaven`, like the suicide bombers? Maybe there's a formula like, say, 20 instead of 50. I mean really, prabhus, half-a-dozen would be more than enough pour moi! RR

Originally posted by animesh:

A speech usually starts with "ladies and gentle men".

 

Why don't they ever say "gentle ladies and gentle men"?

 

Is it impossible for a lady to be gentle?

`Ladies` are the female equivalent of `gentlemen` by definition. This is not the same as saying `women and men` since it denotes certain noble qualities. Besides, women naturally become ladies in the presence of gentle men, don't they?

Originally posted by Maitreya:

I've been looking for someone to wear this backpack and go into McDonalds.

 

It's easy, once inside you scream MAC ATTACK!!! and push the button.

 

Nah, that won't work.We would miss your jokes and you reminding us of Radha dasyam all the time.

 

Maybe I'll get a robot.

 

Wouldn't want to waste my final shot like that. The target I had in mind does begin with the letter `M`, though...

Don't worry JR you won't be asked to join the front line neither will Valaya.

Aw bummer! I so wanted to be a suicide bomber!!!

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Originally posted by Maitreya:

President Bush went to a Mosque today and spoke out against this sort of thing.

 

I believe extremely close scrutiny should be given to their community by the FBI and Canada's counterpart, but let's leave the bats in the closet.

 

Any found complicit with this plot however should be dealt a death blow themselves.

No `death` blows in Can'tada...!