valaya

Talasiga, please explain more about `The nine nights of the Goddess`. Thank you.

valaya RR

Talasiga, please explain more about `The nine nights of the Goddess`. Thank you.

valaya RR

Originally posted by FaithlessDevotee:

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I understand your frustration and the anger associated with it. Do you know about the two types of faith, raganuga and vaidhi? There is much I would like to discuss with you, but this is not a suitable place. You are welcome to Email me confidentially if you can reveal more about yourself personally, to which I will reply in kind. amanpeter@hotmail.com

valaya RR

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Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

Certainly some moksha has been attained solely by Divine Grace, but surely much is yet to come.

 

Very interesting indeed. So, you had attained partial moksa. That’s to say, sometimes you create a samvyoma in your heart and invite some jivas to live eternally with you. Thereafter you come back to a conditioned state again, and what happen with those jivas who were living eternally with you? Is that your acintya-bheda-abheda-tattva, sometimes in sometimes out? And what about your omniscience? Is it also sometimes working and sometimes down?

 

Can you describe what loka you are living by now while following the 5th oblation of water? For certain you should be aware of it in that stage of partial moksa. There are 13 stages in that ‘partial moksa.’ So, maybe you are at the end of the road, isn’t? Can you easily recognize the 101st artery of your heart at the time of your departure? Is Hari always waiting for you there to show you the path?

 

But there are other paths to attain moksa...

Satyaraja prabhu, I am obviously not as knowledgeable in these matters as you are, at least scripturally. Something permanent happened to me as described briefly in my previous post. Make of it what you will or just dump on me as so many others have. It is my life, after all, for better or for worse.

I'm simply sorry that my experience appears to be only beneficial for me and that I'm unable to be of any real service to others whose painful situation is becoming more and more apparent to me. There is little chance of anyone changing whatever realized faith I may have at this point and in fact others only seem to strengthen it, making me increasingly grateful for the shelter I've been given.

I'm certain that everything will be worked out in time quite naturally by His Divine Grace, although many more incarnations will probably be necessary due to my deeply fallen condition and adamantly stubborn nature.

I have no desire to create new worlds or gather others anyway, except to bring them into that Divine Grace whom I know as Sri Radha. As far as I'm concerned, I belong to Her alone, but who knows what the future will bring? Thank you for your concern.

valaya RR

The Christian bible states succinctly, "Ask and ye shall receive, Knock and the door will be opened unto thee."

In my complete desperation I asked every diety in the temple room over and over again, including Srila Prabhupada. It was Srimati Radharani whose door was opened. Still I attribute that to His Divine Grace as the transparent via-medium.

My faith was in Divine Grace as God's love ever since I can remember, but it finally came to focus exclusively on Radhika. Major life-changing realizations occured through Her which also made me aware of Her position as Swamini-Kishori and Her influence throughout my life, including the time before hearing of Sri Radha through Srila Prabhupada.

Certainly some moksha has been attained solely by Divine Grace, but surely much is yet to come. Those who have known me closely though, before and after, can confirm the extensive changes with that experience about ten years ago.

valaya RR

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Originally posted by M-dd on `World Review` under Debate Almost Fatal topic (10-18-01):

Sad as it is, her death sure beats the spiritual fatality of debating with or talking to your bad self as well as most others on this forum that I am quickly tiring of. You are poisonous and disgusting association. You are a killer of the soul. I have no sympathy left for you or for several others here. Attack me, go ahead, I don't read most of your posts and wouldn't click inside if I'd seen your name. I hope this ruins your day, for maybe you can still have a spiritual change of heart if you hit rock bottom. But to do that, you'd have to acknowledge just who the pure devotee guru is that benedicted us all with the association of Radhrani in Her Deity forms Whom you impersonally claim to have such intimacy with, while jumping over his head. You're a spirtually cheating looser, headed for the darkest regions of ignorance. Heed the warning if you like, or go directly on your path to hell.

Such is the heart of a so-called devotee...Instead of becoming His Divine Grace and the well-wisher of all, she turns into his anything-but-divine disgrace and the ill-wisher of all who do not comply with her views.

This is the inevitable result of looking only for faults in others to infect and fester, rather than searching for devotion (Sri Radha) in everyone that she can encourage and nurture.

Surely this is not what Srila Prabhupada expects from his initiated disciples as his living legacy. No wonder so many have rejected the entire parampara that he appeared in.

valaya RR

p.s. Her name is spelled Radharani.

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Originally posted by M-dd:

Sad as it is, her death sure beats the spiritual fatality of debating with or talking to your bad self as well as most others on this forum that I am quickly tiring of. You are poisonous and disgusting association. You are a killer of the soul. I have no sympathy left for you or for several others here. Attack me, go ahead, I don't read most of your posts and wouldn't click inside if I'd seen your name. I hope this ruins your day, for maybe you can still have a spiritual change of heart if you hit rock bottom. But to do that, you'd have to acknowledge just who the pure devotee guru is that benedicted us all with the association of Radhrani in Her Deity forms Whom you impersonally claim to have such intimacy with, while jumping over his head. You're a spirtually cheating looser, headed for the darkest regions of ignorance. Heed the warning if you like, or go directly on your path to hell.

Such is the heart of a so-called devotee...thanks for sharing!

valaya RR

p.s. Her name is spelled Radharani.

...and if you don't surrender Bin Laden to us immediately, we will take all your women and send them to universities in America before returning them!

Your present position is perfectly clear, Satyaraja prabhu, however that does not mean we all must accept it any more than that of others here.

My own belief is simply that God can be and do anything in any way, shape or form He chooses to without any limitation whatsoever, including shastra and even Satyaraja.

I see a vast difference between religion and relationship, as well. The connection with Srimati Radharani completely transcends all limitations, as does She Herself.

Ultimately, our acceptance must therefore depend on Her personal revelation which results in life-changing realizations.

If you wish to categorize me I cannot prevent it, nor is it my wish to merely proselytize here. My aspiration is only to be of service. Hopefully a few will appreciate what is being offered.

Some say that the means and the end are the same and I'm afraid that the means you're employing in your own `search` will ultimately prove to be your end...

valaya RR

A cultural dispute was behind a violent attack on an 84-year-old woman who was stabbed repeatedly in her home. The victim was with a man telling her his view on the role of women. Armed with two knives, he knocked her to the floor, stabbing her three times in the abdomen and chest. Karim Amirali Mawani, 39, is charged with aggravated assault, robbery and having weapons dangerous to the public peace.

(from Toronto, Canada)

of course we are just fault-finders..

 

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((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- jijaji

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Wrong, Jijaji prabhu, not just fault-finders, but envious fault-finders! Ignorance packaged as bliss and presented with self-righteous virtue...back to the beads, Melvin!

valaya RR

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There may be some obstacles, but if at heart we are sincere, the environment cannot deceive us, because God's inner help is there, cooperating with our sincere, inner need (na hi kalyana krt kascit durgatim tata gacchati ). What we want from our innermost hearts cannot but come true, because Krsna knows everything. There may be some obstacles, but by Krsna's help, they shall all be eliminated and our innermost aspiration will be crowned with success.

What value is our `faith` if it is other, or less, than this? would it not then be actually acting against our best interests? Thank you Brahma das prabhu!

valaya RR

Originally posted by Gauracandra:

Can anyone give me some information on Vedic Astrology? Like how is it similar, different from western astrology? As well as any personal experiences using it?

 

Gauracandra

So many interests, so little time...HARIBOL!

Originally posted by Satyaraja dasa:

 

He wanted to give raganuga bhakti and especially rupanuga-bhakti, the service to Srimati Radharani. We have no direct relationship with Krsna. Our svamini is Srimati Radhika. Our relationship is with Her, and Krsna is Her most beloved.

 

Badarayana Rsi himself states in Vedanta-sutras (2.4.42-46) that the theory of saktis cannot be employed to describe how Hari performs His pastimes. No ‘service’ to these saktis can be taken as serious, as these lilas are far beyond this ingenuous explanation.

 

If one is stating that he has no direct relationship with Hari he is accepting a second Hari, or something that is different to Hari to be related with. This is an utmost absurd, as Hari is one without a second. No lilas’ partners can be worshiped as Hari, or are to be considered as a second Hari, or as Hari’s soul, etc. Badarayana Rsi (Vyasadeva) himself strongly refuses such imaginative and falacious thesis in his Vedanta-sutras.

Hari is simultaneously one and different (acintya-bhedabheda), or would you deny Him that? Similarly Radha-Krsna is one, though separated for the purpose of lila.

We are also one in Hari, although differing from Him and each other. That difference is expressed through Hara/Radha. Thus our connection to Hari/Krsna is through Her, personally or impersonally.

Hare Krsna! Hare Krsna!

Since Lord Caitanya appeared in Her mood, service to Him is accepted as service to Her. That most intimate personal relationship with the Absolute as the personification of Divine Love, compassion, mercy and devotional service Herself has thus been made freely available to all who wish to accept this rare gift.

Lord Caitanya is revealed by Nityananda Prabhu and Srimati Radharani will then reveal Herself if the intense desire is there and we are ready to forsake everything else, including intimacy with Sri Krsna.

Obviously, Satyaraja prabhu, you are becoming increasingly expert in examining the `differences` and what God is not. Searching for oneness is far more difficult and, I believe, more worthy of your undeniably extensive efforts. Choice is always there for all of us. Faith is certainly necessary, but it must be focused. By loving One we can come to love everyone, if our Love is real. As we both seem to agree, that requires His Divine Grace.

JAI GAURANGA! JAI GAURANGI!

valaya RR

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Originally posted by animesh:

Hey,

There is no bold/italic lettering.

Sorry, didn't transfer properly from my other post, but I've corrected it now.

Excert from a lecture by Srila Narayana Maharaja entitled "The `extra` month of Purusottama", received as Hari-katha Email:

Krsna plus Srimati Radhika's inner mood and gaura-kanti (golden complexion) is Sacinandana Gaurahari. When Sacinandana Gaurahari is minus that golden beauty and intrinsic mood, He is Krsna. Mahaprabhu came to this world to taste the essence of prema and to give raga-marga-bhakti to the world. We have called you all from so many places around the world. Why? In this way we will explain to you the moods of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and how He wanted to give raganuga bhakti and especially rupanuga-bhakti, the service to Srimati Radharani. We have no direct relationship with Krsna. Our svamini is Srimati Radhika. Our relationship is with Her, and Krsna is Her most beloved.

valaya RR

(Please note that this is only a small part of the talk and that bold/italic lettering was done by me)

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Originally posted by melvin:

There`s only one commandment I

follow: That is one should sur-

render unto Sri Krishna.

The rest are all NON-SENSE!

If you would care to share exactly what this means to you, prabhu, and how you are practically following it, there might be more encouraging and helpful responses here.

Then again, speaking from personal experience, exposing one's own shortcomings may simply allow others even less realized to attack you incessantly.

Perhaps this forum `billboard` is more useful as a virtual-wall to post graffiti on, expressing our frustrations by taking them out on mostly anonymous others...what a shame!

valaya RR

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Duty should not be misconstrued as spiritual, neither can religion be considered personal relationship. Both can become impediments if the Absolute Truth has not been fully realized in the heart through Divine Grace.

Unfortunately, partial realization is often mistaken as complete and religions, movements, etc. develop their own momentum, losing touch with their original spiritual impetus.

In spite of so many paramparas, the Supreme must continue returning again and again Himself, in order to re-establish the `principles of religion`. In other words, everything deteriorates eventually in the material world.

Our only firm foundation is in connection with that same Supreme through His Divine Grace, personally or impersonally.

valaya RR

Yes, prabhu, that is only a small sample of Canadian thinking, a peculiar mixture of moral superiority and wilful ignorance. Now that I see you're interested, perhaps I'll pass on a few more examples.

Many in this country actually believe that we're protected by God due to our inherent goodness in relation to those nasty militaristic Americans to the south, thereby conveniently evading the responsibility of sharing in our own defence. GOD BLESS AMERICA! Without her, where would the world be?

From a lecture by Srila Narayana Maharaja entitled "The `extra` month of Purusottama", received Hari-katha by Email:

Krsna plus Srimati Radhika's inner mood and gaura-kanti (golden complexion) is Sacinandana Gaurahari. When Sacinandana Gaurahari is minus that golden beauty and intrinsic mood, He is Krsna. Mahaprabhu came to this world to taste the essence of prema and to give raga-marga-bhakti to the world. We have called you all from so many places around the world. Why? In this way we will explain to you the moods of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and how He wanted to give raganuga bhakti and especially rupanuga-bhakti, the service to Srimati Radharani. We have no direct relationship with Krsna. Our svamini is Srimati Radhika. Our relationship is with Her, and Krsna is Her most beloved.

valaya RR

(Please note that this is only a small part of the talk and that bold/italic lettering was done by me)

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When Srila Gurudev is thinking himself to be the absolute least, lower than a `worm in stool`, without any love for Krsna whatsoever, how can his sincere disciple possibly consider himself/herself as anything more?

How much different would our relationships be if we all had this perspective? How naturally encouraging we would be to each other!

Prabhupada wanted us to actually see others as prabhu, did he not, therefore always automatically offering respects to everyone everywhere?

Only from that firm foundation can we ever hope to chant the Holy Names continuously...and that, prabhus, is surely the bottom line if we are to actually become devotees rather than simply thinking of ourselves as such.

valaya RR

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Originally posted by leyh:

Hare Krsna, Valaya Prabhu!In The New Testament, it is written:"For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth."(Hebrews 12:6)

 

Just as the Lord chastises in the spirit of love, so does the Lord's pure devotee chastise in the same spirit.I think it is your good fortune that Srila Prabhupada pointed you for that one moment.I can already imagine how, when you return back to Godhead, Srila Prabhupada might say to you with nostalgia:"I remember you. You were the rascal who didn't sit properly."

 

Would you mind sharing some more details about how Srila Prabhupada came to single you out?

 

 

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Dear Leyh, believe me I'm well aware of that biblical quote! I cling to anything that might help me see my wretched life in some positive way and possibly salvage something of value from the wreckage. Unfortunately, when I attempt to share my experiences on these forums (Dharma-mela, VNN, Audarya Fellowship) most of the response is extremely discouraging. Please Email me personally: amanpeter@hotmail.com

valaya RR

I have three different anti-virus scanners installed on this computer, but after `scanning carefully` I still was unable to locate this elusive `mayavadi` virus. Of course, being the cautious fellow I am and always eager to follow the advice of advanced devotees on this forum, I immediately called the manufacturers.

Don't worry, prabhus! They have issued a world-wide emergency bulletin and assure me that technicians are giving this the highest possible priority attention. With recent terrorist activity and all, we just can't be too careful these days...HARIBOL!

valaya RR

I'm simply amazed that this thread has not received even one reply after four days! Just think for a moment of the other subjects discussed instead... Does this sweet post from atma prabhu not inspire any personal feelings/realizations at all from any of the devotees here, or is everyone simply reluctant/fearful to reveal themselves?

Of course, I have plenty to share, although I'm not an initiated devotee myself and, quite frankly, am tired of taking so much flak or just plain being ignored by the esteemed vaisnavas present on this forum. I may be foolhardy, but I'm certainly not a masochist!

Anyway, thanks atma, but you might have included your own personal thoughts, etc. along with the nectar from Srila Prabhupada. I'm always ready to break the ice by exposing myself more personally, prabhus, but I can't keep hoping others will be encouraged to come out of hiding as well. Not that I blame you after my own experiences here...

valaya RR

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Originally posted by Gauracandra:

This is sick. The guy is a nut case.

 

Gauracandra

More than a few in this area...