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  1. well , the nature of question is such that it will attract a wide variety of answers , each different from the other . each sect would project their philosophy as an answer . thats the way the world works . since you are drawn towards devi or shaktism and vedanta and other philosophies also i would suggest you reading the famous 'gospel of ramakrishna' aka 'ramakrishna kathamrita' . ramakrishna as you might be already knowing was the spiritual guru of vivekananda and also a devotee of mother goddess . ramakrishna kathamrita is the published personal diary of one of his disciple who wrote down his preachings when he got home each day . they were gathered together and published after the demise of ramakrishna . it presents the most profound truths in most simple of languages . do check it out . it would open a whole new world to you . as a hind note i should also note that it is completely different from works of swami vivekananda . god bless . hari om
  2. yes . they are done as a part of purificatory process before prana pratishtha .
  3. yes , thanks melvin . it was indeed and unforgettable experience . this year i wouldnt be able to make it to puri in rathaytra . but thakfully calcutta has its own share of big rathayatra too . infact the second oldest rathayatra after puri is held in bengal , at a place called mahesh . it is related to mahaprabhu also . heres a pic for you all --- bhaktajan . yes neither can i forget you !! hahahaha ..... and amalesh . welcome back . god bless all ............................. jai jagannath
  4. here are some other songs which ramakrishna liked ----- he used to dance wildly and go in samadhi with this song -- and finally a video from an old movie showing him dancing in prema at kirtan on dolyatra/holi
  5. hi kaushik . they are available in belur math , the headquarters of ramakrishna mission and also in other branches of the order . perhaps you should think of contacting the nearest ramakrishna mission center around you . the series is called kathamriter gaan in bengali and songs from kathamrita in english . best of luck .
  6. ahh . nice to see everyone here . bija , ganeshprasad , melvin and others . hehehehe . im glad . JNdas prabhu . hows your temple activities going on with jagannath deva ? as far as i can remember i read that you were planning to make a ratha ? is the plan on ?
  7. yes , the priest was probably giving you the charanamrita . literally it means the nectar from the feet . in hindu custom feet of guru or god is worshipped and the water used to wash down the feet were treated in reverence . in temple however it is generally the water which has been used to bathe the deities . it is a blessing and is supposed to clean away your paap(negative karmas ) . it is generally sipped and the residue rubbed over the head in reverence .
  8. ahhh!!! our dear ol' audarya is back again !!! thank you JN Das prabhu ji for restarting it !! just came back from panihati festival and saw this !! blessing of nitai chand on me , for sure . gaura premanande hari hari bol .......
  9. i would still hope that respected JNDas revives the forum after expiry of a month .............please !!
  10. boohooo ...! neither could i ...!! haha....... lets part with a light note ....
  11. thats so sad .i logged in just now and saw this news . i didnt expect it to come so early !! well , after all those fights and quarrels we should all look towards our own sadhana . ultimately all this vada-vitanda is useless . i would miss ranjeet of course with his typical style of arguments .and i would miss teasing bhaktajan for his dreadful posts . the idiocy of ranjeet( he he) , the taunts of kaisersose , the unheard appeals of hindustani to calm down , the private msg's and postings of sant , the child god cebu city of melvin , the chaos theory of primate , the humility of kshama ,the fanaticism of chandu and last but not the least the neo-hinduism of raghu , all made this place an wonderfully diverse and engaging platform to discuss and fight over ideals . it was fun !! after all the shoutings that i did towards iskcon , let me say this at the closing hours that i still like iskcon and its contribution to the western world . and i would sincerely pray that they reform some of their ways and come out in a beutifull new form . just see our entaglement with maya . its online forum with members whom we have not even seen personally and yet we feel sad at this closure . maya's tough and its a hard hard world . let us pray that all problems of the members here are solved . the jobless finds a job and the godless finds his god . let people be happy and peacefull and may god himself see to his sadhana . lets pray with untmost sincerity so that he gives us his darshan at least once before we leave this body ............jai hare krishna jai maa.
  12. yes , i accept . its simple really ..
  13. no , samadhi and out of body experiences are not actually similar . OOBE is where your center of consciousness lies outside of your physical body for a certain period of time . but there is no qualitative change in consciousness . for example if you are a strong materialistic person you remain one in OOBE experience . but as you consciousness lies outside your physical body , it appears dead to most perceptions . but in samadhi (both savikalpa and nirvikalpa) there is a qualitative change in consciousness . here , it must be noted and understood that consciousness , in its true form is pure and one . but to realise that original state in called samdhi . here you also reach a superconscious plane but that is due to god realization . in nirvikalpa it is reaching a complete stage - the end of everthing( everything as according to material earth) . a person who's mind is polluted with material thoughts can enter into OOBE but such a person doesnt have the slightest chance to enter into samadhi . they are not linked together...
  14. ranjeet , im so scared to carry on any coversation with you . after a few posts you just start shouting and screaming without any logic and rational sense till you become the cause for closure of that particular thread !! thats why i have stopped answering . morever such things have already been answered . i was thinking how would you feel if people start calling your guru kripalu ji names ? keep your mouth shut for the fear of guru ninda at least ! please.......
  15. human beings are different from animals by their power of logic , reasoning and discrimination . and whatever logic you follow must be applicable to all persons at any given time . it must be universally applicable . now lets see the logic you have for your statement -- either you doggedly follow the scriptures or you follow some rational sense with scriptures . if you opt for the first then christians muslims etc can never ever worship the same god . they are were and will be the 'mlecchhas' (now dont come up with your 'as it is' version of the word !! ) and if you go for the second logic then even shaktas and mayavadis must also be following the same god . you cannot apply any logic to any two cases and drop out the rest at whim !! so it follows that by both logic you cannot proove what you are claiming (everyones following the same god except mayvadis etc)
  16. in bengal its common to light lamps using mustard oil . however ghee is always considered the supreme . for example the lamp that is to be offered in sodashapachara should be made with ghee . but the standing side lamps that are kept just to illuminate the deity or as a main source of fire is generally burnt using mustard oil . but shastra refers the use of sesame oil or til-taila . it is considered the best of oils . however one must be very carefull while handling oil lamps during puja . because you are not supposed to touch vishnu-vigraha with oil smeared hands or body .
  17. whats bhava bhakti and action bhakti ? i thought bhava is the basis of bhakti !!
  18. LOL ...........again ? Jal and water the same isnt it ? ramakrishna-- "it is the same god that people are searching for . the hindus are drinking the water from one ghat and calls it jal , the muslims are drinking it from another ghat and calls it pani , thr christians are drinking it from a third ghat and calles it water and some call it aqua . but in reality there is no difference in what they are searching " YATO MAT TATO PATH once more ........................ha ha ha. lol !!! by this you have established this beyond doubt that you are an idiot(by your own logic ) . you didnt understand this 'simple' thing for so long !! ha ha ha...........
  19. let me tell you in secret.........he had a mental shock resulting out of chronic grief the day when babri masjid was torn apart because he couldnt participate in its demolition due to certain heath problems . and this shock was so great he had to be hospitalised for three months !! shhh................
  20. you have not answered my questions !! anyways , i will give you an advice how to tackle this problem . publish nice and attractive pamplhets about how ramakrishna's teachings eventually led to the mass destruction of hindus under sultunate rule in an era that is atleast 300 years before ramakrishna or how his words provided direct cause that led to the social imbalances or how he brainwashed gandhi and nehru by appearing in their dreams, and distribute in front of delhi station to see is it works . since you have discovered such an important thing it is your moral responsibility to inform people about it . as for me i shall some back to tak to you when i find a post that doesnt have neo hinduism , islam or ramakrishna ( even a single one would do ) enjoy......
  21. you can use it directly . however making wicks is easier with molten ghee(ghee in liquid state can also do) as the cotton soaks up the ghee and hardens when dry . this makes the wicks firm and less messy . be sure it is cow ghee . ghee from buffalo milk is not permissible .
  22. ah , back to islam and its vices ! how old are you chandu ? were you by any chance a victim of 1947 riots of india ? perhaps that is what makes you so hateful towards them . firstly you have not clarified what you understand by the term education . now i ask you one more thing - what do you understand by ignorance ? if you have even the basic knowledge and faith in hindu scriptures you shall immideately acknowledge that it is brahmagyan that if knowledge and rest all ignorance . but to your reasoning acquiring bread earning bookish fundamentals is knowledge ! if you acknowledge ramakrishna as a saint or mahapurush(which you did in the last post) there must be a reason for his birth . every saint has something good to contribute to the huge philosophy of hinduism . every saint reflects in himself a portion of the infinite truth . ramakrishna's lack of materialistic bread earning knowledge was intentional . he willfully opted out of this deformed education system . he said " i dont want to learn bread winning gyan . i want the supreme gyan . i dont like to be a dry pandita ! oh lord keep me immersed in rasa ." if your objection is about the ignorance of ramakrishna about material matters then i have no objection . but if you are calling ramakrishna 'ignorant' because he didnt have the conventional education then i wont support you and it automatically show your lack of faith in hindu scriptures ! ramakrishna used to give a nice example for dry panditas and people like you -- " a vulture can soar up high in the sky but its eyesight is focussed on rotting carcass !! a learned pandita often aqquires immense knowledge of scriptures but might remain entagled in kaam , fame , power and money ! " its not any unrelated issue . it is just a sentence that i wrote within the big paragraph in my attempt to illustrate the philosophy of ramakrishna , which you picked up in isolation and now attempting to extract menings out of it !! evidence ? what evidence ? which evidence ? what was the crime ? show me how yato mat has anything to do with sufference of hindus . and if you want i can confidently describe to you how lack of yato mat tato pat brings sufference , not just to hindus but to the entire world ! fortunately most hindus of modern world accepts him and his philosophy . and some would remain like you forever ! no good thing comes without opposition , you know ! you may love ramakrishna or hate ramakrishna , but you cannot deny him . this is where all the problem starts ! sorry folks . ramakrishna's philosophy of universality of religions is already engulfed the hindu world . better luck next time ........ha ha by the way you have still not answered how can you accept iskcon when you cannot accept ramakrishna ? they both accept islam and christianity .... i want a proper clarification ...if you have any !!
  23. you are perfectly free to differ . im not trying to shove it down your throat . no i dont admit he was wrong .... why ? now thats a long answer and you might not be able to accept it as you are already biased against almost everything except hare krishnaism . neverthless i shall explain for understanding of others who might be following this thread ..... ramakrishna never preached or advocated killing or any sinfull activites . he did not ask to randomly worship every god present in hinduism . he said everyone to hold on to their respective ishta and believed that destroying one's bhava of approaching sprituality brings no good . he said " you cannot feel the bottom of a bucket if you randomly dip your hands everywhere . one has to be determined to feel the bottom and dip his hand at one place" . but he said that different peoples are trying to reach the same god as per their different cultures and different perceptions . that is the meaning of yato mat tato path . it means that their object of pursuit is same . it doesnt imply that every religion has the same amount of revealed truth ! some faiths might be one step closure towards god than other faith . but the common objective is god . a christian may wrongly think that all other gods are false but as regard to his own belief he is searching for god . and god cannot be two . if it cannot be two then it automatically imples that even a christian is pursuing the same god as an hindu , but according to a different understanding . strictly speaking it is incorrect to say that one religion is more advanced than the other . why ? well , how do you determine the status of any religion ? theres no way to do that . its better to say that each religion has discovered one aspect of the same truth . the parable that sri ramakrishna used to illustrate this point was - " four blind persons went to understand what an elepahant is ! the one to toched the ears said that elepahant is like a big fan . the one who felt the legs thought that it is like a small pillar . the one who felt its belly thought it to be like a roof . and one to felt the trunk thought it to be like a pipe " .. so there you are . all of them are simultaneoulsy true and wrong !! this is where yato mat comes in . they have all seen god but one aspect of the infinite . and due to ego they think that this is the end . god can be no more than what i have been taught or what i have seen . this is precisely the case with missonaries , muslims , traditional advaitist and most vaishnavs . they refuse to acknowledge god beyond what they have seen and felt ! now what if a person searches for god and burns heretics at stake at the same time . will he go to heaven ? does he gets liberated ? no . surely he does not .....at least to the hindu way of understanding he does not . but there is one little point there . all the while he has been calling out to the supreme and searching for him(if at all) , no matter how ruthless and tyrant he was . god being infinitely compassionate and mercifull knows that his son is grossly misguided in his pursuit of him(god) . and what does his compassionate god do ? does he liberate him ? no . instead he slowly brings him to clearer paths(not neseccarily other religion , might be something within christianity itself) over numerous life(yes , a christian wont belive that , but who cares ? im hindu , speak like a hindu and showing the hindu philosophy ) and so eventually he can unite with satchidananda . this is yato mat tato path . path doesnt mean liberation or else ramakrishna would have said "yato mat tato moksha " !! but he didnt say that . you are mistaking just on this point . you are wrongly identifying 'path' with moksha !! the two are completely different . when a certain individual questioned to ramakrishna about the validity of 'idol worship' and suggested that such worshipers should be corrected ramakrishna answered back-- " you and your lectures ! if there is any deficiencies in worshiping a murti god himself will take care of that , you need not think of all those matters . what do you think ? god is so dumb that he cannot understand that it is he who is being prayed to ?!! you look to your own salvation " this is yato mat..... and this parable applies to you also . if muslims and christians are tyrants let them be so . nothing exists in this world without a purpose . the day your purpose in this creation ends you perish !! so if their(islam and christianity) need has ended god would see to their destruction ! you try to a good man , set an example to the world , live a spiritual and rightful life and try to love all with eye of equality . you cannot change others . all you can do is change your wretched self . the fact that other hate me should not turn me into a hater myself !! this is precisely what you have been doing . christians and muslims hate me so i shall doubly hate them !! so long as you have not seen god personally you lack right to comment on other people's god . see him yourself and them come back to instruct others on where they stand wrong .. and there is only two approach - either you belive that every religion has some amount of truth and goodness in it or you believe that no religion except yours has any amount of truth or goodness . you are free to chose the one you like !! you are one my friend . even if you are not running after popularity contest remeber that its not an achievement . tell me what do you understand by education ? to a spiritual candidate education is gossly material . it is indespensible for modern surivival but does nothing to create a man out of a homo sapien . since childhood what have we been doing ? montessori , school , exams , high shcool . holding ranks etc . what for ? to get into a good university . after university what do we do ? rush for a job . set up a business ? what for ? to eat and survive !! we invest in shares insurance and stuff to eat and survive . this is not education ? what education are you talking of ? does getting established in society as an engineer or doctor and earn huge amount of money turn out as education ? being a politician and look after your interest amounts to education ? what is education ?!! it is nothing but a highly specialized tool to help a human survive and find food and fend for itself . there it ends ! and if you think that this education gives you the right to speak as you wish and a lack of such 'education' takes away your right , then we have serious doubts on your intelligence levels ..!! i dont follow any double standards . i never criticize of any person or any body's belief unprovoked . i have certain grudges against iskcon which is because they start bonafide criticisms of almost every saint of india . i cannot name the persons who criticizes or the criticized victims because the post will ineveitably get deleted ! they start the criticisms and bask in its glory . all i do is to show them their own faults in the hope that they stop their fault finding with other . my criticism is not out of envy . it is not ninda . it is protest !! why cant you be positve towards ramakrishna when he also didnt kill millions neither expressed his desire to do so in future ? and even hare krishnas accept christianity and islam and call them vaishnav . what does it sound to you ? you dont have any problems with that ?!! thats what you believe and very few can analyze his own self and you certainly do not fall into that catagory !
  24. and i was originally talking about theist's idiocy . and the last post of mine was to make you understand how you have deviated from what i was actually talking about . well, though it has nothing to do with what i tried to convey i shall answer your questions out of my generosity ! no is the answer .... no one can reach god by killing out of envy or hatred . in fact hatred itself is a great impediment to god ... illustration : the kind of hatred a christian missionaries might have towards a hindu or the kind of hatred that you have towards christians and muslims . i agree and neither it was on ramakrishna's list . sentimental ? are you not ? yes i am sentimental about what i follow and whom i follow . everyone is sentimental about it ! and if he is not then he is anything but spiritual . spirituality , sentiment and emotions go hand in hand my friend ! just like you are also sentimental in a negative way towards muslims christians , 'neo hindus' and ramakrishna followers and in a positive way towards hare krishnas ...... see it ? simple !! strictly speaking religions are not 'paths' to god . you yourself are the path to god and religion provide a certain amount og guidance to you .. still my answer to your question(doesnt carry much sense though) would be a no ..
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