Guruvani

I often wondered what ever happened to "MahayogiMaharaja". Do you have any info on what ever became of him? He was quite a bright guy. He was always smiling and laughing. I remember I picked him up at the airport the day he came to San Jose from Los Angeles as "Mukundamala das".

Please show the proper reference from any authoritative source that Jambavan was Kimpurusha. I have seen proper reference that Hanuman was Kimpurusha, but I haven't seen anything like that on Jambavan. Most usually Jambavan is termed "riksha" which is sometimes translated as monkey and sometimes as bear.

Duh, The Ramayana Epic happened in Treta Yuga. That means that it happened over a million years ago. I don't think anyone can say what forms of life there were in South Asia a million years ago in Treta-yuga. Things were surely a lot different a million years ago. Many species have become extinct in many parts of the world in the last million years.

Beggar Purana 2.7.19 (purport)

This topic is very "Shiva-like". We all are drinking poison with this topic. The difference is, Lord Shiva is immune to poison. The authoritative document on the break-up of the Gaudiya Math, this Finn Madsen rubbish, is like the National Enquirer version of the sampradaya. It's rubbish as far as spiritual cultivation is concerned. It's not much different than going to the Saraswata temples and scooping the stool out of the toilet and coming out and showing the world "look, just see what is going on in this temple"!

blah,blah, blah............. that's an awful lot of nasty attitude considering that your spiritual master referred to Jambavan as the King of the Gorillas. In the Ramayan, Jambavan is always referred to as a primate-like (monkey) and if you have any evidence that he was a "shapeshifter" then please present it. Srila Prabhupada refers to Jambavan as the King of Gorillas. He is known in Ramayana as a primate-like being. Personally, I don't see what the problem is if Lord Krishna has a beautiful gorilla girl for his wife. Why is it so bad that Lord Krishna has a beautiful Gorilla girl for his wife? Krishna does all kinds of amazing things. Having a beautiful gorilla girl for his wife is not so unthinkable. Maybe you have some problem with Gorilla females? Please shows us some evidence that Jambavan was some "shapeshifter" that you speak of. Or, is that just another one of your fancy imaginations? Jambavan lived in the jungle.

Our Family the Gaudiya Math subtitle: Gramya Katha from the Peanut Gallery

that was two years ago. it didn't work out.

If Jagat hadn't broadcast it himself them nobody would know. He wanted to broadcast it. It is his business plan for retirement. Frankly, I could care less if he prefers the tantric sahajiyas. What is wrong is that he rather enjoys bashing on the faith of the ISKCON people and most all western devotees to defend his choice to go sahajiya. He might know Sanskrit, but if you aren't realized and cultured, both of which he is not, then you can't really understand the purport of the super-sophisticated spiritual thought of Paramahansa devotees.

you must be talking about lonely 'ol me? yep, I am still a loner who has raised three kids alone for the last 11 years. but, my older daughter is already 18, gone from home, working full times in a doctor's office and going to community college. my son is 20 and we run a computer repair business together. that leaves me with Kamala Manjari, my 13 year old.

And of course we know for sure than since the cat is out of the bag that Jagadananda has taken diksha into the tantric sahajiya cult and was broadcast on Madhava's forum, that Jagadananda is not going to post on forums except in a stealth mode hiding his actual identity

I always found it very humorous that a handful of American (Canadian) derelicts learned a little Sanskrit and hung out in India for a few years and then come back to the west pretending that they know more about the history of the Gaudiya Matha than the actual Indian people like Srila Prabhupada, Sridhar Maharaja and the other senior disciples of Srila Saraswati Thakur. Jagadananda for example has become so deviant that in order to get the social sitgma he wants he has resorted to taking diksha from a tantric sahajiya and changing his portfolio in hopes that he can makes some money off of the rather growing sahajiya crowd in the western countries. Even his old pal Madhavananda considers him a sahajiya now and is not at all impressed with his maniacal frenzy of sahajiya sentiments that are nothing more than a front which he hopes will position him as the leader of the sahajiyas in the western world for fun and profit. Jagadananda has been living with a wife and a poodle for the last several years, but I heard that the wife actually cared more about the poodle than she did about Jagat.

In the Krishna-lila we hear that Krishna once had to leave Dwaraka to hunt down the missing brother of Satrajit who had went off to the forest on a horse with the Syamantaka jewel around his neck. Prasena was shorty thereafter killed by a lion who took the jewel to his cave. When the king of the gorillas Jambavan got news of this he went to the lion's cave, killed the lion and took the Syamantaka jewel and gave it to his young son to play with. To make a story short, Krishna eventually found the dead body of Prasena and the dead lion and discovered that Jambavan had killed the lion and taken the Syamantaka jewel. Anyway, there was a great fight between Lord Krishna and Jambavan that lasted for 28 days. Eventually, Jambavan realized that only the Supreme Personality of Godhead had the power to fight him so powerfully. Anyway, Jambavan heard the story of the jewel from Lord Krishna and gave it to him as well as his daughter in marriage. Now, let me get this right. Jambavan was a gorilla. He gave his daughter to Krishna for his wife. Krishna had a gorilla girl for a wife?(Jambavati) somebody help me here................... I mean, it sounds like one of Krishna's wives was a gorilla girl. That is all I can figure.

It's easy to make ad-hominem remarks. Please show some examples of my contradictions or please don't make such claims. Is it that I am contradictory or that you just prefer to read your own misunderstanding into what I say? It's possible that it's just denial on your part and blunt refusal to give me enough credit to try and understand what I am saying before you pass judgement and dismiss my point of view. I don't contradict myself. I have many ways to think about things depending on who says what and why they say it.

Sorry, but I am just through with the onslaught of of the "traditional diksha" people that have been running ritvik into the ground for years and deceptively trying to make false propaganda that a gang of ISKCON rejects invented the ritvik method, when in fact it was developed and implemented by Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sridhar Maharaja as well. As long as these people persist to make this false propaganda and attack and decry an important contribution that Srila Prabhupada and Srila Sridhar Maharaja made to the welfare of the Krishna conciousness movement, then I will continue to try broadcast the truth that in fact ritvik was established by the authorized acharyas and is very legitimate.

The astrologer is a little confused. What he means is that your false ego will die this year and you will become reborn as a servant of the Vaishnavas. Same goes for Avinash. This "death" is actually a shedding of the false self-image and the rebirth as a servant of the Vaishnavas. It's not physical death. Chant: Sri Krishna Chaitanya Prabhu Nityananda Sri Advaita Gadadhar Srivasadi Gaura Bhakta Vrinda

Really, the "traditional gurus" are also pumping out a fair share of generic cookie-cutter disciples with their money-machine of "formal diksha" and unleasing a horde of pseudo disciples on the international Vaishnava community with orders to go out and disturb the mission of Srila Prabhupada as far as possible. Just as in the past, the business of "traditional diksha" is still alive and well and raking in the bucks for career gurus who subsist off of the hard work and donations of naive and gullible neophytes who are easily taken advantage of. These "traditional initiations" aren't producing any special breed of "super devotee". They are no better than ritvik devotees. The only difference is that they are fanatic and arrogant and suffering from severe superiority complex which is actually obstructing their spiritual advancement.

Srila Prabhupada:

Exactly. I wrote off that auto-biography years ago when I heard about it's connection with Lalita Prasad. Personally, I question the whole possibility of the auto-biography because Srila Prabhupada was known for criticizing Yoganananda's "autobiography of a Yogi" as being self-centered and self-serving. If Bhaktivinoda did write an auto-biography I am sure that it was only for Lalita Prasada and for no one else. It can never be used as any kind of praman when trying to study the teachings of Bhaktivinoda.

But, Mahabharata has always been classified as Itihasa which is most usually translated as "history" and which literally means "that which happened". So, now we are supposed to believe that Mahabharata is not history but an allegorical fable? this allegorical insanity is for the birds. Mahabharata is a history, not mythology. Somebody needs to get all his marbles in one bag.

prove it!

Here is a pranam mantra of Bhaktivinoda's siksha guru and a short history of their relationship. Its was for real and certainly a lot more intimate and heartfelt than was his relationship with diksha guru.

Bhaktivinoda showed by his actions that he accepted Jagannatha das babaji as his siksha guru. He took siksha from JDB and it is a known historical fact. I don't need any written evidence that Bhaktivinoda accepted JDB as his siksha gurus because his most intimate disciple and son Srila Saraswati Thakur has already confirmed that and told such to his disciples. Whether or not you are convinced is not a concern of mine.

the bottom line is that Bhaktivinoda encouraged his son Srila Saraswati Thakur to take diksha from a different parivar than the one he had recieved formal diskha in through Vipina Bihari Goswami. The Saraswata Parivar follows a diksha line that does not include Vipina Bihari Goswami and none of his siksa ever shows up even in the books of Bhaktivinoda. It only seems logical that if Vipinia Bihari Goswami had any truly significant contribution to the spiritual conception of Bhaktivinoda that you would find some references to some siksha or some instructions that he gave to Bhaktivinoda in the writings of Bhaktivinoda. The only reference Bhaktivinoda ever made to Vipina Bihari Goswami was some formal offering of respect as a diksha guru. In the teachings and writings of Bhaktivinoda this Vipina Bihari Goswami is non-existant in any form of thought or contribution he made towards the formation of Bhaktivinoda's devotional realizations. The formal nature of their relationship is quite obvious as Bhaktivinoda never refers to Vipina Bihari Goswami in his writings as having enlightend him with any particular conception or understanding of Gaudiya siddhanta. In the writings of Bhaktivinoda this Vipina Bihari Goswami is a non-entity. Unlike Srila Saraswati Thakur and Srila Prabhupada who often refer to their spiritual masters in their wriitngs and commentaries, Bhaktivinoda never made any reference to Vipina Bihari Goswami as having any input into the formation of his thought. I think it is quite obvious the relationship was formal and not genuinely spiritual. As far as that goes, Bhaktivinoda was probably more spiritually advanced than Vipina Bihari Goswami at the time he took diksha from him.

Bhaktivinoda (the Bhagavat)