RadheyRadhey108

Me too.

Reread the surrounding verses for context.

 

That said there is no prohibition against homosexuals chanting Hare Krishna. Everyone comes to Krishna consciousness tainted or even covered by sin. However sinful acts are never to be seen as anything other than sinful acts.

There's a huge difference between homosexual rape and mutual intercourse between homosexuals.

BUENOS AIRES, May 1, 2008 - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality is "a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and cure".

 

 

Speaking at the Buenos Aires International Book Fair about his book "Goodbye, Depression", Rojas characterized homosexual orientation as a "disorder" rather than an illness, and stated his opinion that 95% of cases are caused by environmental factors, according to the Spanish news service Terra.

 

 

The disorder, according to Rojas, is the result of an absent father, overweening mother, or sexual abuse in childhood.

 

 

Rojas blasted the homosexual movement for promoting the development of homosexual tendencies in young people, and particularly condemned the practice of allowing homosexual couples to adopt children.

 

 

The child is deprived of a right to grow up "in a normal environment, heterosexual, which is the standard" he said. "Heterosexuality is what is normal, the natural condition of human beings."

 

 

According to studies from the United States, Canada, and New Zealand, there is a 70-80 percent chance that a child adopted by homosexuals will develop the same tendencies, Rojas said.

 

 

Rojas is the author of various books on psychology, including "Who Are You?", "The Light Man" and "Remedies for Coldness".

Homophobia and pseudo-science at it's worst.

Could be that Prabhupada would have dealt with it differently today 2008, altough he wouldnt have changed that it is tamasic bondage.

At that time it was something new and no one knew that it would become an epidemic and today millions have come out gay and lesbian. Around 1967 when the hippie movement started, the hippies were not gay. So when they also started the gay movement at the beginning, there were lots of people who immediately agreed when Prabhupada said it is perverted lust, something which cannot be changed into sattvic character and without becoming situated in sattva-guna, goodness, you cannot become situated on the spiritual platform of bhakti-yoga. In fact the hippies didn't like the gays. Hippies were more focused on natural living and they agreed when Prabhupada said it is not how nature made us. But as the age of kali proceeds people cannot understand it. And as Srimad-Bhagavatam predicts at the end of this age people will be so degraded that there will be no more Vaishnavas on this planet. And they will argue the same way, "why do you see anything wrong with this?"

 

SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brahmana of Asambhala village, the great soul Visnuyasa.

SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.

SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vasudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.

SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vasudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.

SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.

SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Brhaspati are together in the constellation Karkata, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Pusya at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Krta, will begin.

Didn't see any reference to homosexuality in the verse you quoted.

Sounds good to me

Hare Krishna Radhe,

 

Sexual intercourse only meant for satisfying the genitals is considered illicit sex. The purpose of sexual union is to produce Krishna conscious children. In fact the sastras say not to become a father or mother, if you will not educate them on the true meaning of life.

 

In this case, homosexuals are not going to produce children and instruct them on the meaning of life and therefore they are participating in illicit sex.

In a perfect world, this would be the case. But, we don't live in a perfect world, and these people do have to live with these desires that they are discriminated against for fulfilling. I feel sorry for them. Many of them are discriminated against horribly, and I can't imagine what that would be like. Also, this is a religous belief, so I don't think a secular government should have to take it into consideration when deciding on recognizing gay unions or not(since it's not something that's hurting people outside of the relationship).

I do agree however, that this isn't the top thing on our mind.

At least we can agree on that. Some people have attacked me for my posts on this thread on other threads that have nothing to do with this issue

I hope this clears up things a bit.

Pls forgive me if I sound too stuck up.

You don't sound stuck up, you're just stating your beliefs, and I'm just stating mine.

Radhey Radhey!

Wow, since you are my friend can you give me a drop of your humility???

Oh, Indulekha Ji, I would if I could, but I'm not humble... I'm just truthful I could only wish to be as humble as you! Hopefully I'll be able to reach your platform of devotion some day, by the grace of Srimati Radharani.

There're of course lots of opinions and suggestions and actualy when I would presenting my own opinion it would be certainly something like you say, live and let live. Since spirituality defined according the vedas is to follow the current acarya, in this case the first and most important sampradaya in this universe, the brahma-madhva-gaudiya sampradaya, Srila Prabhupada - he made enough comments to give us the right understanding.

 

1. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation with Director of Research of the Dept. of...

And they are advocating homosex. So where is ... priestly class, sanctioning homosex.Director: Pardon?Prabhupāda: ... are discussing about homosex, in favor of homosex. So where is

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2. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - August 25, 1971, London

The sense gratification, homosex, they are supporting. Just see. Just see ... least, in animal society there is no homosex. They have created homosex, and that is being passed by the

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3. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 11, 1975, Perth

Just like yesterday you told me the students are talking about homosex. That means tamo- ... are discussing about homosex. That means tamo- ... to fulfill, by homosex or sex with

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4. Causelessmercy - Conversation with the GBC - Los Angeles, May 25, 1972, (new98)

Now the priestly order supporting homosex. I was surprised. They are ... still, if there somebody hears about homosex (makes sound of breathing out). Homosex is there but nobody will

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5. Causelessmercy - Morning Room Conversation - February 16, 1977, Mayapur

The priests are doing all rascal nonsense. Homosex.Prabhupāda: They ... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And homosex.Prabhupāda: Homosex, what is that ... passing to homosex, religion. They

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6. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - July 16, 1975, San Francisco

the hogs and monkeys having homosex relationships, so ... because the dogs have homosex, therefore the man should have ?Bahulāśva: Should have homosex.Dharmādhyakṣa: Yes, if an

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7. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - January 27, 1977, Puri

Their only improvement now is abortion and homosex. That is the most ... their children to the homosex dance, the parents, and ... Yes, go and have homosex dancing if such parents

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8. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation Varnasrama July 14, 1977, Vrndavana

Ginsberg s movement is that, homosex, public sex. Ginsberg was ... that he had introduced homosex. He was telling me. ... proud: I have introduced homosex. He thought very brilliant

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9. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 13, 1975, Perth

They want sex enjoyment to the best capacity homosex, this sex, that sex, ... passing, Yes, you can have homosex with man. They are getting ... to man and accepting homosex, so what is the

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10. Causelessmercy - Arrival - Chicago, July 3, 1975

That will be there. Impotency. This homosex is also another sign ... bother. It is sense enjoyment, homosex. Progeny, they don t want ... another sex impulse in homosex. This is the psychology

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This is going on. This homosex propaganda is another side of impotency. So ... make that more and more accepted in America, homosex.Prabhupāda: Yes. The churches accept. It is already

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12. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 14, 1975, Perth

They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement ... about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class ... Amogha: They say that homosex keeps the balance of

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13. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - December 8, 1973, Los Angeles

When they are sanctioning abortion, homosex, now they are ... traditional Christians condemn homosex and abortion. A ... they condemn abortion and homosex.Prabhupāda: Yes, they are

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14. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - January 8, 1976, Nellore

Now this homosex they are sanctioning, man-to-man marriage. ... Prabhupāda: Hm?Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now they have churches for homosex. That means the priest is a homosexual, and the

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15. Causelessmercy - Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette...

They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.Girirāja: Actually their leader

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16. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - June 18, 1976, Toronto

Vāsudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?Prabhupāda: Yes.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva.Prabhupāda: He was homosex and sex, everything.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Here,

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17. Causelessmercy - Sunday Feast Lecture - Los Angeles, May 21, 1972

A person on religious category, he s advocating something, oh, it is not to be uttered. Homosex. You see? He s advocating homosex. Just see. These has been topsy-turvied. The four

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18. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk Conversation - Los Angeles, September 28, 1972...

Either they re leaving or they re marrying man to man.Prabhupāda: Homosex. They are supporting homosex. So degraded, and still they say, What we have done? They do not know what

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19. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 17, 1976, Toronto

Even the so-called priests, they are also fourth-class, fifth-class men. Indulging in homosex.Satsvarūpa: This priest who joined us, who s now your man, he said that although he

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20. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - April 8, 1976, Mayapur

The persons from the ecclesiastical order, they are also so polluted, they are sanctioning homosex, abortion. What can be done for the common man?Madhudviṣa: I was reading in

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Yes, they re supporting homosex. So when the priests are sinful, the public is sinful, how the church will go on? Churches, they are expecting church must support abortion and

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22. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - April 2, 1975, Mayapur

Parliament, similarly, these churches approve: Yes, homosex is all right. Then it is all right. This cheating system is going on. Similar cheating system is the Hindus also. You

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23. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 9, 1975, Perth

Now they are indulging homosex, how they will become strong? And the students, they are discussing, that means they are having. The stamina is being lost. Now what they have

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24. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 11, 1976, Los Angeles

They are sanctioning homosex, sanctioning abortion. They ve lost, Christianity and all . (japa) This is Beverly Hills? No. Rancho Park.Rāmeśvara: This is nearby. [break] Today,

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25. Causelessmercy - Talk with Bob Cohen - February 27, 1972 (contd. on February 28...

It has criticized, one priest has allowed the marriage between man to man, homosex. So these things are going on. They take it purely for prostitution. That s all. So therefore

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26. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 28, 1975, Honolulu

They re supporting everything, homosex, everything, man to man marriage.Bali-mardana: Now they are making women the priests.Prabhupāda: Women priest. Women priest, there was none

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27. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - December 10, 1975, Vrndavana

Nowadays, of course, they are thinking like that, that man should remain independent, and they ll have homosex, and the woman also independent and they will make some This is most

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28. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 18, 1975, Perth

There are so many scientists, philosophers, now everywhere. And they are discussing on sex philosophy, homosex philosophy, Darwin s theory. All third class, fourth class, they are

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29. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 21, 1975, Melbourne

Now they are coming to the platform of homosex. This is their advancement, spiritual advancement. Yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam. This is Coca-cola, everywhere. [break] mukti,

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30. Causelessmercy - The Evolutionists: Thomas Huxley, Henri Bergson, and Samuel...

Your browser does not support scripts. ... Progress means you go, go.. Gamati iti gatiḥ, or progress.. You go, go, go.. So when you come to this śloka ... Vedas it is said, oṁ

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Can you give me a quote from the Srimad Bhagavata Purana, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Upanishads that defines homosexuality as sinful? I like many of Srila Prabhupada's teachings, but I must say that I don't agree with all of them. So, just quoting Bhaktivedanta Swami isn't getting it for me. Sorry. I'd rather have actual evidence for why he believes this way, rather than, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada said this, so I have to believe it." I would appreciate it if you could give me a quote from scripture on the issue. Thanks.

Theist, you said, "even in my infant age"

The word even says that you were handome in your infant age and at other times too.

He was making a joke, LOL

MEAT EATING = WAR! [if not now then later for our grandchildren] Of course you know this, Right, RadheyRadhey108 ?????

 

 

This is about Buddhism, Right?

 

Please don't take what I post personally--I speak academically about this subject.

 

I have stated many things in my above post that MUST be understood for the reasons I stated for the purpose I stated. Are these non-homosexual topics less enticing to the intellect?

 

I will respond to your request asap.

 

Hare Krishna and happy austereties,

Bhaktajan

Yes, meat-eating is war. Anything that harms other sentient beings (especially on a grand scale) is war.

What do you mean by "Are these non-homosexual topics less enticing to the intellect"? If we're talking about homosexuality, fine. But, you were responding to a post that had nothing to do with homosexuality whatsoever. It was kind of surprising that you'd jumbled up your arguments so much and completely changed the subject.

Radhey Radhey!

1) the Brahmana Class had disappeared after Krishna left the earth--this is why Buddha appeared to stop animal sacrifices. Animal Sacrifices was done in all parts of the mid-east and western countries. Bhumi-devi appealed to stop the sacrificial killings. Thus Buddha advent, etc.

 

2)The Rig Veda translation is bogus, bad english, non-authoritative and without any significance. You should know better than to post third-rate renderings of the Vedas [esp. the long known obscure verses of the Rig-veda].

 

3) Nevertheless, one MUST have an absolute & definitive understanding of the workings of:

A--karma [action/re-action]

B--kala [time]

C--prakriti [physics & meta-physics]

D--jiva [the science of the soul's constitution]

E--Ishvara [God as controller and thus, the Origin of personal traits and the cosmic manifestation]

when one indeed understands these catagorical topics & how these things operate, via the Vedas --by way of a Bonefide representative, --THEN THE IDEA OF MEAT EATING, DEBAUCHERY, ANAL SEX AND SAME SEX MARRAGE is anathama to the advancement and peace of society.

 

MEAT EATING = WAR! [if not now then later for our grandchildren] Of course you know this, Right, RadheyRadhey108 ?????

 

A brahmin is a brahmin is a brahmin by any other word ---except those who do not observe Brahminical Laws!

 

4) The basis of Brahminical Laws is happiness and contentment and societal order--your off-base in your postulations because you are actively beholding to your self-selected Gurus, councilors, mentors and confidants who are gay.

When one sheds tears or whells up with emotion during a moment of private reflection it is a sign of a "past-unresolved-conflict".

 

Read The Vedas, as presented to us fallen dolts such as ourselves, by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami--what more do you want? His renderings of sanskrit is sublime and fabulously erudite. Learn from the masters or learn by the stick.

 

best hopes,

Bhaktajan

 

PS: please recognize that my writings are derived from Sastra as expressed here by my, still limited, intelligence.

1) They were still Brahmins by caste, and they still viewed themselves worthy of performing sacrifices.

2) What does your version of the Rig say in hymns 1.162 and 1.163? Is it still talking about a horse sacrifice? If so, then I don't see how this version is off the mark by any means

3) Hmmm... I'd have to say that I think that meat eating is far worse than anal sex or same-sex marriage (I don't see what homosexuality has to do with this thread, but okay... whatever). I'm also not seeing how having a society of desire-filled men and women who aren't allowed to act out their desires is advancing in the peace and advancement of any society (at all).

4) I suppose you want me to apologize for not discriminating against homosexuals. Well... I'm sorry that I'm not a hate-filled bigot who thinks that they shouldn't have the same rights as heterosexuals. I suppose you'd like me far more if I did. ((I'm still really not seeing what me talking about gay-rights on other threads has to do with a thread on Lord Buddha.))

I don't have many gay friends or mentors, and I've never followed a homosexual guru's teachings (that I know of)... I rather like the poetry of Allen Ginsberg, though (who was a friend and disciple of Srila Prabhupada).

When did I well up with tears during a moment of private reflection, might I ask... have you been stalking me or something? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE AND WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME WHEN I REFLECT ON THINGS IN MY LIFE?! That's it... I'm calling the police... LOL

Could you please send me Srila Prabhupada's translation of the horse sacrifice?

That was a few months ago that Pentium said this, Radhe.

It seems he is satisfied now, by viewing the pastime on the video he posted, even though Mother Anasooya was not naked.

All glories to Mother Anasooya!

They say that only the Lotus Feet of Radharani can cool the heat of desire in Lord Krishna's Heart... maybe She has stepped on Pentium's heart, too (we could only be so lucky!)

"Oh, Supreme Goddess of the Vrndavana forest! Your lotus feet are brimming full of flowing rasa extract, the essential honey of full-blown love nectars. Holding such feet to His chest, Madhupati (Krsna), the Lord of all sweetness, extinguishes the burning fever of Cupid. So supremely cooling, I now take shelter of them.

That which is present deep within the heart of all the Upanisads in the most well hidden secret; this pair of Sri Radha's divine lotus feet is my refuge - simply full of Her own feminine dancing playfulness." --'Radha Rasa Sudhanidhi'

Jai Srimati Radharani!

Jai Sri Anasuya Mata!

I think it happens to all of us at times

It techinically could be, but the title of it is Lord Chaitanya and Vishnupriya devi.

Oh, okay It's very nice!

Yes, certainly. Also including some school headmasters and the owners of certain websites I suppose...

But of course

Even if brahmins killed animals it doesn't mean that it is sanctioned in 'Vedas'. If Jayadeva Goswami is of the opinion that animals should be sacrificed as per Vedas, than I think he was not in his senses. I would like to share this article with all those who think that killing of animals is sanctioned in Vedas.

 

Scriptures Against Killing and Meat-Eating

 

Hindu scripture speaks clearly and forcefully on nonkilling and vegetarianism. In the ancient Rig Veda, we read: "O vegetable, be succulent, wholesome, strengthening; and thus, body, be fully grown." The Yajur Veda summarily dictates: "Do not injure the beings living on the earth, in the air and in the water." The beautiful Tirukural, a widely-read 2,000-year-old masterpiece of ethics, speaks of conscience: "When a man realizes that meat is the butchered flesh of another creature, he must abstain from eating it." The Manu Samhita advises: "Having well considered the origin of flesh and the cruelty of fettering and slaying of corporeal beings, let one entirely abstain from eating flesh." In the yoga-infused verses of the Tirumantiram, warning is given of how meat-eating holds the mind in gross, adharmic states: "The ignoble ones who eat flesh, death's agents bind them fast and push them quick into the fiery jaws of hell (Naraka, lower consciousness)." The roots of noninjury, nonkilling and nonconsumption of meat are found in the Vedas, agamas, Upanishads, Dharma Shastras, Tirumurai, Yoga Sutras and dozens of other sacred texts of Hinduism. Here is a select collection.

 

Vedas and agamas, Hinduism's Revealed Scriptures

 

LET YOUR AIMS BE COMMON, and your hearts be of one accord, and all of you be of one mind, so you may live well together.

Rig Veda Samhita 10.191

 

Protect both our species, two-legged and four-legged. Both food and water for their needs supply. May they with us increase in stature and strength. Save us from hurt all our days, O Powers!

Rig Veda Samhita 10.37.11. VE, 319

 

One who partakes of human flesh, the flesh of a horse or of another animal, and deprives others of milk by slaughtering cows, O King, if such a fiend does not desist by other means, then you should not hesitate to punish such a person.

Rig Veda Samhita, 10.87.16, FS 90

 

Peaceful be the earth, peaceful the ether, peaceful heaven, peaceful the waters, peaceful the herbs, peaceful the trees. May all Gods bring me peace. May there be peace through these invocations of peace. With these invocations of peace which appease everything, I render peaceful whatever here is terrible, whatever here is cruel, whatever here is sinful. Let it become auspicious, let everything be beneficial to us.

Atharva Veda Samhita 10. 191. 4

 

Those noble souls who practice meditation and other yogic ways, who are ever careful about all beings, who protect all animals, are the ones who are actually serious about spiritual practices.

Atharva Veda Samhita 19.48.5. FS, 90

 

If we have injured space, the earth or heaven, or if we have offended mother or father, from that may Agni, fire of the house, absolve us and guide us safely to the world of goodness.

 

Atharva Veda Samhita 6.120.1. VE, 636

You must not use your God-given body for killing God's creatures, whether they are human, animal or whatever.

Yajur Veda Samhita 12.32. FS, 90

 

May all beings look at me with a friendly eye. May I do likewise, and may we all look on each other with the eyes of a friend.

Yajur Veda 36.18.

 

Nonviolence is all the offerings. Renunciation is the priestly honorarium. The final purification is death. Thus all the Divinities are established in this body.

Krishna Yajur Veda, Prana Upanishad 46-8. VE, 413-14

 

To the heavens be peace, to the sky and the earth; to the waters be peace, to plants and all trees; to the Gods be peace, to Brahman be peace, to all men be peace, again and again-peace also to me! O earthen vessel, strengthen me. May all beings regard me with friendly eyes! May I look upon all creatures with friendly eyes! With a friend's eye may we regard each other!

Shukla Yajur Veda Samhita 36.17-18. VE, 306; 342

 

No pain should be caused to any created being or thing.

Devikalottara agama, JAV 69-79. RM, 116

"Slight us not Varuna, nor Aryaman, nor Mitra, nor Indra, nor Ayu, nor the Maruts,

When we declare amid the congregation the virtues of the strong Steed, God-descended.

What time they bear before the Courser, covered with trappings and with wealth, the grasped oblation,

The dappled goat goeth straightforward, bleating, to the place dear to Indra and to Pusan.

Dear to all Gods, this goat, the share of Pusan, is first led forward with the vigorous Courser,

While Tvastar sends him forward with the Charger, acceptable for sacrifice, to glory.

When thrice the men lead round the Steed, in order, who goeth to the Gods as meet oblations,

The goat precedeth him, the share of Pusan, and to the Gods the sacrifice announceth.

Invoker, ministering priest, atoner, fire-kindler Soma-presser, sage, reciter,

With this well ordered sacrifice, well finished, do ye fill full the channels of the rivers.

The hewers of the post and those who carry it, and those who carve the knob to deck the Horse's stake;

Those who prepare the cooking-vessels for the Steed,—may the approving help of these promote our work.

Forth, for the regions of the Gods, the Charger with his smooth back is come my prayer attends him.

In him rejoice the singers and the sages. A good friend have we won for the Gods’ banquet.

May the fleet Courser's halter and his heel-ropes, the head-stall and the girths and cords about him.

And the grass put within his mouth to bait him,—among the Gods, too, let all these be with thee.

What part of the Steed's flesh the fly hath eaten, or is left sticking to the post or hatchet,

Or to the slayer's hands and nails adhereth,—among the Gods, too, may all this be with thee.

Food undigested steaming from his belly, and any odour of raw flesh remaining,

This let the immolators set in order and dress the sacrifice with perfect cooking.

What from thy body which with fire is roasted, when thou art set upon the spit, distilleth,

Let not that lie on earth or grass neglected, but to the longing Gods let all be offered.

They who observing that the Horse is ready call out and say, the smell is good; remove it;

And, craving meat, await the distribution,—may their approving help promote labour.

The trial-fork of the flesh-cooking caldron, the vessels out of which the broth is sprinkled,

The warming-pots, the covers of the dishes, hooks, carving-boards,—all these attend the Charger.

The starting-place, his place of rest and rolling, the ropes wherewith the Charger's feet were fastened,

The water that he drank, the food he tasted,—among the Gods, too, may all these attend thee.

Let not the fire, smoke-scented, make thee crackle, nor glowing caldron smell and break to pieces.

Offered, beloved, approved, and consecrated,—such Charger do the Gods accept with favour.

The robe they spread upon the Horse to clothe him, the upper covering and the golden trappings,

The halters which restrain the Steed, the heel-ropes,—all these, as grateful to the Gods, they offer.

If one, when seated, with excessive urging hath with his heel or with his whip distressed thee,

All these thy woes, as with the oblations' ladle at sacrifices, with my prayer I banish.

The four-and-thirty ribs of the. Swift Charger, kin to the Gods, the slayer's hatchet pierces.

Cut ye with skill, so that the parts be flawless, and piece by piece declaring them dissect them.

Of Tvastar's Charger there is one dissector,—this is the custom-two there are who guide him.

Such of his limbs as I divide in order, these, amid the balls, in fire I offer.

Let not thy dear soul burn thee as thou comest, let not the hatchet linger in thy body.

Let not a greedy clumsy immolator, missing the joints, mangle thy limbs unduly.

No, here thou diest not, thou art not injured: by easy paths unto the Gods thou goest.

Both Bays, both spotted mares are now thy fellows, and to the ass's pole is yoked the Charger.

May this Steed bring us all-sustaining riches, wealth in good kine, good horses, manly offspring.

Freedom from sin may Aditi vouchsafe us: the Steed with our oblations gain us lordship!"

--Rig Veda 1.162

"What time, first springing into life, thou neighedst, proceeding from the sea or upper waters,

Limbs of the deer hadst thou, and eagle pinions. O Steed, thy birth is nigh and must be lauded.

This Steed which Yama gave hath Trita harnessed, and him, the first of all, hath Indra mounted.

His bridle the Gandharva grasped. O Vasus, from out the Sun ye fashioned forth the Courser.

Yama art thou, O Horse; thou art Aditya; Trita art thou by secret operation.

Thou art divided thoroughly from Soma. They say thou hast three bonds in heaven

that hold thee.

Three bonds, they say, thou hast in heaven that bind thee, three in the waters,

three within the ocean.

To me thou seemest Varuna, O Courser, there where they say is thy sublimest birth-place.

Here-, Courser, are the places where they groomed thee, here are the traces of thy hoofs as winner.

Here have I seen the auspicious reins that guide thee, which those who guard the holy Law keep safely.

Thyself from far I recognized in spirit,—a Bird that from below flew through the heaven.

I saw thy head still soaring, striving upward by paths unsoiled by dust, pleasant to travel.

Here I beheld thy form, matchless in glory, eager to win thee food at the Cow's station.

Whenever a man brings thee to thine enjoyment, thou swallowest the plants most greedy eater.

After thee, Courser, come the car, the bridegroom, the kine come after, and the charm of maidens.

Full companies have followed for thy friendship: the pattern of thy vigour Gods have copied.

Horns made of gold hath he: his feet are iron: less fleet than he, though swift as thought, is Indra.

The Gods have come that they may taste the sacrifice of him who mounted, first of all, the Courser.

Symmetrical in flank, with rounded haunches, mettled like heroes, the Celestial Coursers

Put forth their strength, like swans in lengthened order, when they, the Steeds, have reached the heavenly causeway.

A body formed for flight hast thou, O Charger; swift as the wind in motion is thy spirit.

Thy horns are spread abroad in all directions: they move with restless beat in wildernesses.

The strong Steed hath come forward to the slaughter, pondering with a mind directed God-ward.

The goat who is his kin is led before him the sages and the singers follow after.

The Steed is come unto the noblest mansion, is come unto his Father and his Mother.

This day shall he approach the Gods, most welcome: then he declares good gifts to him who offers."

--Rig Veda 1.163

I'm not sure if you consider the above verses to be symbolic of something else, but I can assure you that in Lord Buddha's time, most Brahmins took them literally and sacrificed animals. So, no matter what, Srila Jiva Goswami was right in what he said, since the Vedas (at the very least appear) to approve of the sacrifice of animals (in some parts), and people did sacrifice animals according to these Vedic injunctions.

But you don't care about anything, isn't it? "Let everybody go to hell, I don't care, after all that's what people want in this fallen age of kali - go to hell - why bother?"

This mentality is of course in the material sense right and correct, let the karmis busy as a bee produce their karma. But is this the reason why Lord Caitanya, Lord Sri Krishna, God Himself appeared on this Earth 500 years ago and installed His Sankirtan Movement? He wants us to come back to the spiritual world and help others to also come back.

Then Sri Caitanya specifically states (Antya-lila 4.126): “I declare that My name will be preached in every town and village on this earth.”

Homosexuality is not becoming detached from material bondage, it is becoming terribly attached and bound up life after life to karmic reactions.

 

Sri Mayapur Chandra udya Mandir

 

Srila Nityananda Prabhu tells Srila Jiva Goswami that one day an astonishing temple will rise in Mayapur.

 

eka adbhuta mandira ei haibe prakasa

gauranga nitya seva haibe vikasa

 

"An astounding temple will appear and will engage the entire world in the eternal service of Lord Caitanya."

What do you mean by, "But you don't care about anything"? I care about many things. What people choose to do with their genital organs in mutual intercourse isn't among the 'Top Ten' on my list of things to care about, but that doesn't mean that I care about nothing.

Well, I don't think homosexuals are going to hell, so I'd have to say that you completely misunderstood me on that level.

Exactly what kind of horrible karma would a homosexual incur for being a homosexual? I really can think of no just punishment that God could give someone for their sexual preference (especially not a life in the hellish realms).

I don't see how homosexuality is more binding to the material world than heterosexuality. They both bind one to the body, so I guess that everyone should just stop copulating all together and let the human race die off.

I'm not seeing how Lord Chaitanya preaching Sankirtan is a statement against homosexuality, but okay... we can go with that.

I'm also not seeing how an all-accepting temple for the worship of Lord Chaitanya is also a statement against homosexuality.

I don't care if gay people get married or not to be honest but I have to admit there is always a part of my brain that tells me that at least from an anatomical perspective there is something inherently ridiculous about homosexuality.

I don't know about ridiculous, but I would agree that it certainly does go against the anatomy of the human body... I still think it should be their choice though.

LOL! I love the avatar! Isn't it Lord Chaitanya and Lakshmi Priya Devi?

Why does everyone care so much if homosexuals get married? How is that any of our business? And, why, exactly, should a secular government have to take some people's religious views into consideration when deciding who people can and can't marry/have sexual relations with?

Yeah Radhe, that is because the brain is working faster than the mouth, just like Harekrishnaharsha said.

Isn't that cool, though?

Most people think they can just drink Surabhi's milk and then have Her slaughtered so they can eat Her. Thank goodness the Lord isn't like that.

Oh, thank you so much Indulekha Ji. But I'm far more foolish than you are

You people are nothing but ignorant fools and sheeps with herd mentality deeply engrained in you. For your kind information even in Kaliyuga if at all Ahimsa exists any where in this world, it exists in the Brahman & Jain families of India ONLY.

 

As per Buddha there is no such thing as Supreme Lord or Krishna, so why don't you follow His instructions ?

What do you mean? Do you think that all Brahmins are faultless? That's a good one.

Buddha was a moral teacher. When people asked Him about God, He tended to remain silent on the matter. So, I can follow the Buddha's teaching and still worship Krishna with no conflict.

Dear Mr/Ms RadheRade1657, isn't Dalai Lama the Cheif Executive, I mean does a Bodhisattva Tara holds as much power as a Dalai Lama ?

 

you seem to know a lot about Buddhism, if you could tell me why the Mahayana Buddhists belive in 'Atman' ?

 

'Atman' & Buddhism don't go together, Buddha always taught the 'dumb' Hindus there is no Jeev Atman or a Param Atman, nothing is permanent, so now why these Mahayana Buddhists against the core philosophy of Buddhism ?

I'm sure they would consider Tara as having much more power than the Dalai Lama, since they think she can help them in sticky situations b/c she's not bound by a body at the moment. Tara is basically the female Buddha in Tibetan Buddhism. They love her very much.

There was a break in Buddhism around the first century CE. The Mahayana Buddhists believed that when the Buddha said "anatta", He didn't mean that there was no Self whatsoever, but that there was no seperate self ("the wave is nondifferent from the water"). The Mahayana Buddhists have different way of interpreting Lord Buddha's words than the Theraveda Buddhists do. The Theraveda Buddhists think that everything the Buddha said was literal and that there is no reason to interpret what is right in front of you, while the Mahayana Buddhists think that many of His teachings were esoteric and that they need to be understood with the right frame of mind.

These Mahayana Buddhists must be makin Buddha to roll over in his samadhi

 

I don't know what Lord Buddha is doing at the moment. The Hotei Buddha is often shown as laughing, though.