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Me too.

There's a huge difference between homosexual rape and mutual intercourse between homosexuals.

Homophobia and pseudo-science at it's worst.

Didn't see any reference to homosexuality in the verse you quoted.

Sounds good to me

In a perfect world, this would be the case. But, we don't live in a perfect world, and these people do have to live with these desires that they are discriminated against for fulfilling. I feel sorry for them. Many of them are discriminated against horribly, and I can't imagine what that would be like. Also, this is a religous belief, so I don't think a secular government should have to take it into consideration when deciding on recognizing gay unions or not(since it's not something that's hurting people outside of the relationship). At least we can agree on that. Some people have attacked me for my posts on this thread on other threads that have nothing to do with this issue You don't sound stuck up, you're just stating your beliefs, and I'm just stating mine. Radhey Radhey!

Oh, Indulekha Ji, I would if I could, but I'm not humble... I'm just truthful I could only wish to be as humble as you! Hopefully I'll be able to reach your platform of devotion some day, by the grace of Srimati Radharani.

Can you give me a quote from the Srimad Bhagavata Purana, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Upanishads that defines homosexuality as sinful? I like many of Srila Prabhupada's teachings, but I must say that I don't agree with all of them. So, just quoting Bhaktivedanta Swami isn't getting it for me. Sorry. I'd rather have actual evidence for why he believes this way, rather than, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada said this, so I have to believe it." I would appreciate it if you could give me a quote from scripture on the issue. Thanks.

He was making a joke, LOL

Yes, meat-eating is war. Anything that harms other sentient beings (especially on a grand scale) is war. What do you mean by "Are these non-homosexual topics less enticing to the intellect"? If we're talking about homosexuality, fine. But, you were responding to a post that had nothing to do with homosexuality whatsoever. It was kind of surprising that you'd jumbled up your arguments so much and completely changed the subject. Radhey Radhey!

1) They were still Brahmins by caste, and they still viewed themselves worthy of performing sacrifices. 2) What does your version of the Rig say in hymns 1.162 and 1.163? Is it still talking about a horse sacrifice? If so, then I don't see how this version is off the mark by any means 3) Hmmm... I'd have to say that I think that meat eating is far worse than anal sex or same-sex marriage (I don't see what homosexuality has to do with this thread, but okay... whatever). I'm also not seeing how having a society of desire-filled men and women who aren't allowed to act out their desires is advancing in the peace and advancement of any society (at all). 4) I suppose you want me to apologize for not discriminating against homosexuals. Well... I'm sorry that I'm not a hate-filled bigot who thinks that they shouldn't have the same rights as heterosexuals. I suppose you'd like me far more if I did. ((I'm still really not seeing what me talking about gay-rights on other threads has to do with a thread on Lord Buddha.)) I don't have many gay friends or mentors, and I've never followed a homosexual guru's teachings (that I know of)... I rather like the poetry of Allen Ginsberg, though (who was a friend and disciple of Srila Prabhupada). When did I well up with tears during a moment of private reflection, might I ask... have you been stalking me or something? HOW DO YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE AND WHY ARE YOU WATCHING ME WHEN I REFLECT ON THINGS IN MY LIFE?! That's it... I'm calling the police... LOL Could you please send me Srila Prabhupada's translation of the horse sacrifice?

They say that only the Lotus Feet of Radharani can cool the heat of desire in Lord Krishna's Heart... maybe She has stepped on Pentium's heart, too (we could only be so lucky!) "Oh, Supreme Goddess of the Vrndavana forest! Your lotus feet are brimming full of flowing rasa extract, the essential honey of full-blown love nectars. Holding such feet to His chest, Madhupati (Krsna), the Lord of all sweetness, extinguishes the burning fever of Cupid. So supremely cooling, I now take shelter of them. That which is present deep within the heart of all the Upanisads in the most well hidden secret; this pair of Sri Radha's divine lotus feet is my refuge - simply full of Her own feminine dancing playfulness." --'Radha Rasa Sudhanidhi' Jai Srimati Radharani! Jai Sri Anasuya Mata!

I think it happens to all of us at times

Oh, okay It's very nice!

But of course

"Slight us not Varuna, nor Aryaman, nor Mitra, nor Indra, nor Ayu, nor the Maruts, When we declare amid the congregation the virtues of the strong Steed, God-descended. What time they bear before the Courser, covered with trappings and with wealth, the grasped oblation, The dappled goat goeth straightforward, bleating, to the place dear to Indra and to Pusan. Dear to all Gods, this goat, the share of Pusan, is first led forward with the vigorous Courser, While Tvastar sends him forward with the Charger, acceptable for sacrifice, to glory. When thrice the men lead round the Steed, in order, who goeth to the Gods as meet oblations, The goat precedeth him, the share of Pusan, and to the Gods the sacrifice announceth. Invoker, ministering priest, atoner, fire-kindler Soma-presser, sage, reciter, With this well ordered sacrifice, well finished, do ye fill full the channels of the rivers. The hewers of the post and those who carry it, and those who carve the knob to deck the Horse's stake; Those who prepare the cooking-vessels for the Steed,—may the approving help of these promote our work. Forth, for the regions of the Gods, the Charger with his smooth back is come my prayer attends him. In him rejoice the singers and the sages. A good friend have we won for the Gods’ banquet. May the fleet Courser's halter and his heel-ropes, the head-stall and the girths and cords about him. And the grass put within his mouth to bait him,—among the Gods, too, let all these be with thee. What part of the Steed's flesh the fly hath eaten, or is left sticking to the post or hatchet, Or to the slayer's hands and nails adhereth,—among the Gods, too, may all this be with thee. Food undigested steaming from his belly, and any odour of raw flesh remaining, This let the immolators set in order and dress the sacrifice with perfect cooking. What from thy body which with fire is roasted, when thou art set upon the spit, distilleth, Let not that lie on earth or grass neglected, but to the longing Gods let all be offered. They who observing that the Horse is ready call out and say, the smell is good; remove it; And, craving meat, await the distribution,—may their approving help promote labour. The trial-fork of the flesh-cooking caldron, the vessels out of which the broth is sprinkled, The warming-pots, the covers of the dishes, hooks, carving-boards,—all these attend the Charger. The starting-place, his place of rest and rolling, the ropes wherewith the Charger's feet were fastened, The water that he drank, the food he tasted,—among the Gods, too, may all these attend thee. Let not the fire, smoke-scented, make thee crackle, nor glowing caldron smell and break to pieces. Offered, beloved, approved, and consecrated,—such Charger do the Gods accept with favour. The robe they spread upon the Horse to clothe him, the upper covering and the golden trappings, The halters which restrain the Steed, the heel-ropes,—all these, as grateful to the Gods, they offer. If one, when seated, with excessive urging hath with his heel or with his whip distressed thee, All these thy woes, as with the oblations' ladle at sacrifices, with my prayer I banish. The four-and-thirty ribs of the. Swift Charger, kin to the Gods, the slayer's hatchet pierces. Cut ye with skill, so that the parts be flawless, and piece by piece declaring them dissect them. Of Tvastar's Charger there is one dissector,—this is the custom-two there are who guide him. Such of his limbs as I divide in order, these, amid the balls, in fire I offer. Let not thy dear soul burn thee as thou comest, let not the hatchet linger in thy body. Let not a greedy clumsy immolator, missing the joints, mangle thy limbs unduly. No, here thou diest not, thou art not injured: by easy paths unto the Gods thou goest. Both Bays, both spotted mares are now thy fellows, and to the ass's pole is yoked the Charger. May this Steed bring us all-sustaining riches, wealth in good kine, good horses, manly offspring. Freedom from sin may Aditi vouchsafe us: the Steed with our oblations gain us lordship!" --Rig Veda 1.162 "What time, first springing into life, thou neighedst, proceeding from the sea or upper waters, Limbs of the deer hadst thou, and eagle pinions. O Steed, thy birth is nigh and must be lauded. This Steed which Yama gave hath Trita harnessed, and him, the first of all, hath Indra mounted. His bridle the Gandharva grasped. O Vasus, from out the Sun ye fashioned forth the Courser. Yama art thou, O Horse; thou art Aditya; Trita art thou by secret operation. Thou art divided thoroughly from Soma. They say thou hast three bonds in heaven that hold thee. Three bonds, they say, thou hast in heaven that bind thee, three in the waters, three within the ocean. To me thou seemest Varuna, O Courser, there where they say is thy sublimest birth-place. Here-, Courser, are the places where they groomed thee, here are the traces of thy hoofs as winner. Here have I seen the auspicious reins that guide thee, which those who guard the holy Law keep safely. Thyself from far I recognized in spirit,—a Bird that from below flew through the heaven. I saw thy head still soaring, striving upward by paths unsoiled by dust, pleasant to travel. Here I beheld thy form, matchless in glory, eager to win thee food at the Cow's station. Whenever a man brings thee to thine enjoyment, thou swallowest the plants most greedy eater. After thee, Courser, come the car, the bridegroom, the kine come after, and the charm of maidens. Full companies have followed for thy friendship: the pattern of thy vigour Gods have copied. Horns made of gold hath he: his feet are iron: less fleet than he, though swift as thought, is Indra. The Gods have come that they may taste the sacrifice of him who mounted, first of all, the Courser. Symmetrical in flank, with rounded haunches, mettled like heroes, the Celestial Coursers Put forth their strength, like swans in lengthened order, when they, the Steeds, have reached the heavenly causeway. A body formed for flight hast thou, O Charger; swift as the wind in motion is thy spirit. Thy horns are spread abroad in all directions: they move with restless beat in wildernesses. The strong Steed hath come forward to the slaughter, pondering with a mind directed God-ward. The goat who is his kin is led before him the sages and the singers follow after. The Steed is come unto the noblest mansion, is come unto his Father and his Mother. This day shall he approach the Gods, most welcome: then he declares good gifts to him who offers." --Rig Veda 1.163 I'm not sure if you consider the above verses to be symbolic of something else, but I can assure you that in Lord Buddha's time, most Brahmins took them literally and sacrificed animals. So, no matter what, Srila Jiva Goswami was right in what he said, since the Vedas (at the very least appear) to approve of the sacrifice of animals (in some parts), and people did sacrifice animals according to these Vedic injunctions.

What do you mean by, "But you don't care about anything"? I care about many things. What people choose to do with their genital organs in mutual intercourse isn't among the 'Top Ten' on my list of things to care about, but that doesn't mean that I care about nothing. Well, I don't think homosexuals are going to hell, so I'd have to say that you completely misunderstood me on that level. Exactly what kind of horrible karma would a homosexual incur for being a homosexual? I really can think of no just punishment that God could give someone for their sexual preference (especially not a life in the hellish realms). I don't see how homosexuality is more binding to the material world than heterosexuality. They both bind one to the body, so I guess that everyone should just stop copulating all together and let the human race die off. I'm not seeing how Lord Chaitanya preaching Sankirtan is a statement against homosexuality, but okay... we can go with that. I'm also not seeing how an all-accepting temple for the worship of Lord Chaitanya is also a statement against homosexuality.

I don't know about ridiculous, but I would agree that it certainly does go against the anatomy of the human body... I still think it should be their choice though.

LOL! I love the avatar! Isn't it Lord Chaitanya and Lakshmi Priya Devi?

Why does everyone care so much if homosexuals get married? How is that any of our business? And, why, exactly, should a secular government have to take some people's religious views into consideration when deciding who people can and can't marry/have sexual relations with?

Isn't that cool, though?

Most people think they can just drink Surabhi's milk and then have Her slaughtered so they can eat Her. Thank goodness the Lord isn't like that.

Oh, thank you so much Indulekha Ji. But I'm far more foolish than you are

What do you mean? Do you think that all Brahmins are faultless? That's a good one. Buddha was a moral teacher. When people asked Him about God, He tended to remain silent on the matter. So, I can follow the Buddha's teaching and still worship Krishna with no conflict.

I'm sure they would consider Tara as having much more power than the Dalai Lama, since they think she can help them in sticky situations b/c she's not bound by a body at the moment. Tara is basically the female Buddha in Tibetan Buddhism. They love her very much. There was a break in Buddhism around the first century CE. The Mahayana Buddhists believed that when the Buddha said "anatta", He didn't mean that there was no Self whatsoever, but that there was no seperate self ("the wave is nondifferent from the water"). The Mahayana Buddhists have different way of interpreting Lord Buddha's words than the Theraveda Buddhists do. The Theraveda Buddhists think that everything the Buddha said was literal and that there is no reason to interpret what is right in front of you, while the Mahayana Buddhists think that many of His teachings were esoteric and that they need to be understood with the right frame of mind. I don't know what Lord Buddha is doing at the moment. The Hotei Buddha is often shown as laughing, though.