Govindaram

http://www.atmatattva.com/ufos.htm I see dead ppls. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://srimadbhagavatam.com/5/5/33/en Maybe they have en-suite bathroom in Goloka

The sister killed her own mother, so the other sister got her own back, the Guy was probably having an affair with the mother, and so the two sisters were actually related to him as big brother, hense the fancy, when after the 'taking out' Sister No.1, she realized she killed her own mother, because she was after all a Pycopath.

Hare Krishna. I disassociated myself away from sinful activates, mostly which involved Intoxicants such as Alcohol, the pillar of all pillars, I was touch and go for a while, trying to practice Krishna Consciousness and at the same time maintain my habit, I was hoping some way I could hold down both Good/Bad habits, one had to go, I had no perception of what was what, while drinking away my days, while smoking innumerable cigarettes, and eating vile non-prasadam food, I begged the Lord to show me a way out of this, 9 Months later I am free from it all, but its seems just like yesterday, so near, like I can smell the Alcohol in the air, this Lust in indeed the destroyer of our soul. Haribol!

I understand now. Seems obvious now you say it lol. Hare krsna.

Vaishnava's are above Brahmanas. If a Vaisya/Sudra/Ksatriya Is a Vaishnava.. would they be able to take Sannyasa? It makes sense doesn't it?

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Vedic society other varnas NEVER take sannyasa -- What? I don't think thats true, don't Kstriyas take sannyasa? Hare Krsna

12 May 2004 Mum's shock at schoolgirl abortion {Uk NewsPaper} A SHOCKED mum has revealed how a Mansfield school helped organise an abortion for her 14-year-old daughter without her knowledge. A SHOCKED mum has revealed how a Mansfield school helped organise an abortion for her 14-year-old daughter without her knowledge. The horrified Ladybrook woman only found out her daughter was pregnant and due to have a termination when a schoolfriend let the news slip. She says her schoolgirl daughter's abortion had been arranged by a special outreach service at Brunts School... and says leaders told her they did not have to share the information with her. Now the furious mum-of-two says she wants to warn other mothers about the Mansfield Primary Care Trust outreach service, saying she is appalled that confidentiality laws mean its workers do not have to tell parents anything. But Brunts School chiefs and health bosses have all defended the service, insisting the schoolgirl has received total support and will continue to do so when she returns. The distraught mum, however, says she is outraged that no-one contacted her about the situation... and says she is devastated that her daughter faced going through a termination without her by her side. "My daughter is just a kid, she needed her mother with her," she told Chad. "I had no idea this sort of thing could happen without me knowing. I feel like my right as a parent has been taken away from me. "I feel like I've had my heart ripped out, so God knows what my daughter is going through. "Had I known in time she would have had my full support and that of her boyfriend's parents and we could have discussed it as a family." But she only found out the devastating news after her daughter had been to King's Mill Hospital and been given a tablet to start the termination process. And she says she was disgusted to discover that her daughter would have been going back to the hospital for the abortion with only a friend for support and with no adult present. She told Chad that she had felt helpless, but was grateful that she had managed to step in and go with her daughter as she underwent the abortion. "If I hadn't been there during the termination and something had gone wrong, who would they have called then? Me, her mother, of course," she said. Now the woman, who is a health worker, has called for assurances from Brunts School that her daughter will get the necessary support now the abortion has taken place. "It hasn't really sunk in for my daughter yet and I want to make sure the advice and supposed support she received beforehand will still be there when she goes back to school. "I had to contact the school about this, no one contacted me... least of all the woman who advised my daughter." The schoolgirl is now recovering from her ordeal with a relative out of the area, but her mum says she is worried the trauma will stay with her forever. But Brunts deputy headteacher Claire Allerton this week insisted the schoolgirl will receive all the support she needs and stressed the confidential nature of the service meant outreach workers could not breach the code. And she revealed that an information letter containing full details of the school's Community Child Health Service... which includes individual consultations with pupils... is sent to all parents every September. The letter clearly states the confidential nature of these consultations and says: "Parental consent for an individual consultation is not required other than in rare circumstances when the young person is judged not to be sufficiently mature to take part independently." The provision of an outreach worker at the school is part of the Nottinghamshire Teenage Pregnancy Strategy and a spokesperson for the service told Chad: "The strategy enables young people to make their own informed decisions about their sexual health, and supports young people in the decisions they make."

Sorry, I have no more questions for now. I don't know who to believe, but I do have 1 question, why do you not worship Krsna as Supreme God?

Just expressing my opinion, Mr Alien say 'sorry theist prabhu' Govindaram say 'sorry for the crop circles; heh. haribol!

Mmmm /images/graemlins/smirk.gif I was wondering again about who these people are, the Aliens I mean, its like trying to figure out, if Elvis still lives or ?..both time consuming and completly non-krsna consious.

Sorry Prabhuji, It looks great!!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif I'll go hang my head in shame now! /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

"The mind disappears when you are liberated" -- So the mind disappears when you are liberated, the mind is purified so it is not the 'mind' that it was Before, it is surrendered to Lord Krsna. Is that right /images/graemlins/confused.gif

I don't understand the above. Any explanations would be helpful. I have been through this subject before, and it always baffles me, but I HAVE to know this stuff. Ps. Is all this your posting from the Folio, or the taped conversations you have? Is this gonna be on your site? Some of the posts you have made, I never thought of it like that, Srila Prabhupada has a unique way of making everything simple for us, which is a quaility not to be found except in Pure devotees.

Gita looks better than ever, but I have to say personally its a little distracting esp. on the Bhagavatam all those urls sticking out ya, looks a bit much, sorry.

Well that sounds like Mayavadi to me. Durga control modes of nature so she is called Maya-devi, Lakshmi/Rukmini/Sita are Never under Maya, in fact Durga is an expansion of Laksmi.

If the message can be sent via a path which involves some hyper dimension, then the message can reach there earlier than light would reach there through normal path. -- Is that the 'Speed of Mind', I would like to see you calculate..-

Hare Krsna, Are there expert Vedic chefs around? Are there many dishes that are of the class, for a 5star Restaraunt

<font color="blue"> by BR Sridhara Maharaja</font color> THE MAGNANIMOUS NATURE OF NITYANANDA PRABHU ______________ Sri Nityananda Prabhu is supposed to be the incarnation of Baladeva in Vrajamandala. Narottama dasa Thakura says Balaram haila Nitai. Sanatana Goswami also mentions Nityananda Prabhu as the incarnation of Baladeva in Vrindavana, but some persons within the Gaudiya Sampradaya preach that Nityananda Prabhu is the incarnation of Radharani. So, a vehement protest is given from the side of the Gaudiya Math and we cannot recognize them as the true followers of Gaudiya Vaisnava faith and Mahaprabhu. Nityananda Prabhu took His birth in the district of Virbhum on the Western side of Katwa, north west of Ekachakra, where the Pandavas in disguise lived for sometime. Nearby is also shown a tree where the Bakaraksasa was killed by Bhimasena. In Ekachakra near Garbhavasa and many other places, we can trace the pastimes of Nityananda Prabhu. Nityananda Prabhu's son established a temple nearby, and Srimurtis were installed by Him. About two hundred years ago there was a great storm in that area and many ancient arrangements were devastated. A big Zamindar and devotee of the Gaudiya Sampradaya, came and restored the puja, the worshipping arrangements at Virachandrapura. All were desolated at that time. Give Your Son Nityananda Prabhu's mother's name was Padmavati, and His father's name was Hadai Pandita. Ojha was their title although now we do not find any such title. When Nityananda Prabhu was about 12 years old one sannyasi came and begged Hadai Pandita for his son, "I want your son". The sannyasi came and begged for the child, only one son, and a son like Nityananda Prabhu who was very charming. It was almost impossible to live bidding goodbye to such a son, but what to do? A sannyasi has come and asked for him and begging they could not avoid; they could not avoid the sannyasi. they had to give their only son to him. We are told, that sannyasi was no other than Sri Madhavendra Puri, the guru of Iswara Puri, Advaita Acharya, and Pundarika Vidyanidhi. That sannyasi came and took Nityananda Prabhu away from his house when he was only 12 years old; and Nityananda Prabhu wandered with him through the whole of India, visiting all the holy places. Mahaprabhu did not visit so many holy places. He generally travelled through the south of India, not northern india entirely, only Vrindavana and Prayaga. Dvaraka and Badrinarayana were excluded by Mahaprabhu, but Nityananda Prabhu visited all the holy places that exist in india. After Madhavendra Puri disappeared, he was wandering in the holy places. In the meantime Mahaprabhu, coming back from Gaya, began his Sankirtana Lila in Navadwipa. Searching For Each Other Nityananda Prabhu was wandering here and there and lastly he went to Vrindavana. He was searching for something because of His inner identification with that of Baladeva. When Krishna came he was feeling some tendency of attraction towards him. In the last period, he began searching in Vrindavana very scrutinizingly but did not find that. Then he got some inspiration, "Where to find Krishna ?" 'He's now in Nabadwipa'. "I shall go there," with this inspiration in his heart he came to Navadwipa Dhama. Mahaprabhu had already begun his sankirtana movement, and he had a dream at night that someone came in a chariot and at the peak of the chariot there was a palm tree; and he is searching, "Where is Nimai Pandit's house? Where is Nimai Pandit's house?" Someone then said, "Here is Nimai Pandit's house". Mahaprabhu then told to the devotees. "A great personage has come here to Nabadwipa Dhama last night. You (Srivasa and others) try to find out that great person". The followers tried their best, they searched in every nook and corner but could not find Nityananda Prabhu. They reported to Mahaprabhu, "We tried our best but could not trace any noble person, any saint, or any big man". Then Mahaprabhu told, "Let us try with the followers". He then went straight to the southern side of Nandana Acharya's Bhavan. Mahaprabhu went directly to a particular house which is known as Nandana Acharya's house, and there they found a new gentleman, stout and strong, and godly in appearance, sitting on the veranda of that house. The devotees of Mahaprabhu could then understand him to be the man of whom Sri Gaurangadeva was telling about. He was sitting there in red robes, all others were white dressed. Someone then chanted some Bhagavata sloka, and so many spiritual symptoms gradually appeared in His body. They could then understand what a great man he is for he was filled with divine love. He was the agreed personage and gradually coming in intimate connection with him they could understand that he was Sri Nityananda Prabhu. Outwardly his movements were not like a scholarly person, or an ordinary man; he was surcharged with a high type of energy and divinity coming forth from his complexion. Mahaprabhu gradually began preaching. Haridasa Thakura and Nityananda Prabhu were both given orders. "Go from door to door and request them to leave everything aside and take the name of Krishna. Whomever you may meet going from door to door, approach and ask them to take the name of Krishna leaving aside everything else." The Tantric's Trick At that time Nabadwipa Dhama was mostly filled with tantrics, that is the worship of Sakti Devi and Maya Devi. The tantrics say, "This Maya is disturbing us, so we must take shelter under her feet. When she will be propitiated and satisfied then she will loosen, open the door and we will get out and become Shiva. By nature, by birth, jiva means Shiva, Shiva means the the master of Maya. We are now in the clutches of Maya, misunderstanding. When the goddess of misunderstanding is satisfied with us, she will then withdraw and we shall find a door out, we shall go to the other side. There are so many liberated souls there and we shall join them. They are all enjoying the position of Shiva, the master of Maya. Maya cannot force them to do anything and everything as she wills rather she serves her masters. Maya serves Shiva, the liberated souls. Maya serves them though in the relativity of Maya but they cannot control so they render some service to the liberated souls and they are known as Shiva. Pasa baddho bhavet jiva pasa mukta sadasiva. When within bondage he is jiva, a fallen soul, when he is outside the bondage of this Maya, this misunderstanding, then he's always Shiva. He can then move here and there at his sweet will and Maya cannot force him, rather she will come to serve him, and that is liberation. We shall then serve Maya devi and the tantric process involes something, in this way she will be satisfied." They use many things, they may drink wine and eat meats. They offer them to the deities Maya, Sakti and Kali. They also enjoy the women in different moods. They think that the application of mixing with ladies is such, that they will get liberation from the charm of the ladies. In this way in their process, they approve of the wine, the meat and the ladies - it seems to be very harmful to us but these are the underlying principles of the tantric upasana. "In our method, our process of approaching these things which we feel temptation for, we shall get liberation from them. They come to attract us towards them but by a particular process we shall handle them. We shall be masters of those poisonous things." Positive Alternative At that time Nabadwipa was filled with such tantrics. Mahaprabhu Sri Gauranga began his preaching, attempting to convince everyone to give up everything and take to chanting the name of Krishna, Narayana. He then said, "Not only will you be out of Maya but you will attain positive life in Vaikuntha in Vrindavan. That is higher attainment, and what is to be attained by worshipping the sakti in the method they are following, that is reactionary and sometime again they will have to evolve." This is mentioned in the sastra, but not very extensively. If you are very particular then you will have to see that the relativity of this negative world is not safe. You must enter the positive world, then you will be safe. That is not only mere liberation, emancipation from the opposite forces, but practical participation in the serving line, which is very pure. Not to be non-selfish, but one must be God-centred. God-serviced. The positive world is there and that is full of pervasive happiness, and that we can attain only through service. Here we are an enjoying unit, an exploiting unit, but it must be given up to get out of the reactionary tendency of life. But we must not wait on the fence, for that is not a safe position. Automatic Stage Then again, that is not saying much because withdrawal from the negative side is not enough. There is a positive world and that is meant for a real high form of life, and that can be attained through service. Service is great, to sacrifice one's own interest, not for any part but for the whole, the absolute good, that is great. Nothing can be compared to that. It is not calculative but automatic. To reach the automatic stage of service with love is high pay: so give up all these habits and these former engagements with a lower standard of worshipping, penance and all these things. "Die to Live." A radical change must be welcomed in life. Life is worth living, life is worth living and it is only open to the human section. In other species it is impossible to get a glimpse of such high light and to begin that way of life, for there are only a very few human beings in the creation. What are the number of human bodies, very small compared to the whole of creation, and that is the door to heaven so you must try to have a positive life. He is Krishna. He is all attractive. He is beautiful, He is the highest reality, He is all accommodating and most charming. Our life will receive it's fulfillment if we can approach that Lord, especially by taking His holy name. In this age of Kali a special sanction has been given to us that by taking the holy name with satsanga, with the real saints, then we can make progress, enter and approach that high line of preaching. Jagai And Madhai Nityananda Prabhu was a dynamo of energy and Haridasa Thakura could not follow, a little trouble to carry out the order of Mahaprabhu, what to do? One day there were so many gunda type persons, they came with an attacking spirit, "You are disturbing us, we are not religious and you have come to preach religion to us: what right have you got? Why do you come to disturb us? As a big society we are following a particular creed, and you are so bold as to blame us for not being religious men. You have come with a new idea of religion and we are to accept that, you fools! If again you come here you will be taught a good lesson". In this way they were threatened, but Mahaprabhu still says you must go. Then one day they met Jagai and Madhai. Jagai and Madhai were from brahmana birth but they did not have any care for religion. They were also entrusted with some administration in the Muslim Government. They had some connection with the Government and they themselves were gundas, also brahmanas by birth. They used to take anything and everything, they were a notorious pair of gundas, Jagadananda and Madhavananda. We Are Not To Use Force Then one day they met him "Oh! you rogues we have heard of you, you have come to create a new religion here - never! If we find you again on the street you will receive a licking and will have to weep". Anyhow, they were given such warning. Nityananda Prabhu had to report every day what progress they had made in their preaching campaign and he almost challenged Mahaprabhu. He said, "Our life was saved today from the worst pair in the whole of Navadwipa Dhama, but if you can deliver them, then I shall think that vou have really come to render some service. They are the greatest rogues ever found in this area and must be converted. If you can do that then we shall say that you have got some power with some objective, and you will be able to do something". Mahaprabhu felt, "if it is Krishna's will then everything will be possible." They again went out preaching and they met those two gundas, Haridasa Thakura coming back and Nityananda Prabhu stood courageously. There was an earthern pot cast away after use on the side of the way. It was taken and thrown on the head of Nityananda Prabhu and his forehead was cut, blood oozing, Nityananda Prabhu standing. Some person came to Gaurangadeva saying that Nityananda Prabhu was wounded by the rogues. Mahaprabhu very enraged and excited came there. There was blood oozing, "Who has caused this wound on the body of Nityananda Prabhu ? I shall finish the whole town, come forward". Mahaprabhu was besides himself. Then Nityananda Prabhu came, "No! No! Don't be excited my Lord. In this incarnation we are not to use any force. Remember it". Mental Transformation In the meantime there approached another and told "No, no! They are red-clad mendicants - what fame is there is striking them? They are not wholly established rich men or party men, only red-clad sannyasis, there is no credit by killing them or beating them," and they took Jagai and Madhai away. Nityananda Prabhu then appealed to Mahaprabhu. "What to do, this is not proper. In this age, in this time, at this juncture what have we come to do, use force? Never". In the meantime Madhai came to hit Nityananda Prabhu but Jagai saved him by just opposing him and Mahaprabhu turned around suddenly, "You Jagai, you have protected my Nityanada." Mahaprabhu then embraced him and Jagai fell at his feet and began to cry "Hare Krishna". Mental transformation came in Jagai. Then Madhai who was standing said, "For this deed we two are such great sinners yet Jagai's condition is now such". In that very atmosphere his transformation also began. Nityananda's Recommendation Then Nityananda Prabhu came to recognize that in the same place with similar persons, one will gain and the other will fail and so he thought Madhai must also be saved. Then Mahaprabhu said, "Nityananda Prabhu himself is pleading for you, and so you Madhai, you should also be absolved. Mahaprabhu then embraced him, he also fell, began to weep, and take the holy name Krishna and there was wholesale conversion of these two great demons. There was within minutes an uproar in the town. "Who is this Nimai Pandita? A scholar, so far we can understand, but he is endowed with supernatural power. These two great demons, whoever they came across, or whoever would see them would enter their homes and close their doors, such demoniac persons they were, and they were converted by Nimai Pandita within one hour, what miraculous power." So in this way Nimai Pandit got some footing there. Nimai Pandit is not an ordinary man, he is not merely a scholar but he is endowed with some supernatural power, original power. Nityananda Prabhu was famous from that time. Although he was hit on the forehead and blood oozed still he had so much of an extraordinary, patient, forbearing and affectionate heart, that he recommended that gunda who had caused him mischief. Nityananda Prabhu's position was very safe and very high, a divine position from that time. Nityananda Prabhu has neither an exploiting nor enjoying mood, He is wholesale given to Krishna. Perfect Servant Santana Goswami has given this in his commentary: In the rasa lila of Krishna, Krishna was enjoying all the gopis, at that time Balarama also had his separate rasa lila. It is also mentioned in Bhagavatam and other puranas, that Krishna had his rasa lila and that Baladeva also had his rasa lila but Sanatana Goswami has given the meaning. That is very fine, very subtle and very difficult to understand. Baladeva continued rasa externally, but in his heart he was making Krishna to participate in that rasa. He was not the party to enjoy the gopis. He is aloof, he is aside, he is only performing, managing the rasa lila with the gopis and Krishna. He is not only indifferent but with so much serving tendency and wholesale serving attitude. United In Service In Vrindavana mandala in vatsalya rasa and sakhya rasa, they also have marriages, they have their sons, but not in any enjoying mood. There is union of men and women but not in an enjoying mood, or then they will have to be left here in the material world. Both parties meet and are united in a serving mood, that is particularly another type of mood, never an enjoying mood, or then they are not to be allowed to einter that domain. They will be thrown here in the land of exploitation. When they go through the door of emancipation, liberation and enter Vaikuntha, from there also the exploiting tendency is eliminated, what avoidance! They are outwardly participating but internally in a serving mood. It may be impossible to think, but it is such, not only the human form but also the birds and beasts, they are also apparently mixing in an enjoying mood, but really their mood is of service attitude. Such a wholesale transformation has to be effected in one's heart, mind and body, before wholly attempting to enter into that domain. So Hegel said, "Die to live". If you really want to live in that plane then you will have to die wholesale as you think you are in this life as flesh, blood and bones. It is of opposite type, the purity is there, it can be measured ; it is not non-scientific but it is really scientific. It is the process of 'die to live'! And love is there, the dying tendency for the object of love, that is love proper, otherwise imitation, it is hypocricy, it is conspiracy to one's own attainment. The Last Gift The pure thing is that if we have got faith for such divine conception of life then we should come to Bhagavatam, the last gift in the sastric world of Vedic literatures. Vyasadeva's last gift in the world of Vedic literatures is Bhagavatam. The Bhagavatam is so high, so high, prithi vite yata katha dharma nam chole. Our Guru Maharaja's translation of dharmah projjhito kaitavo explains that of all the words and tales that are running in this world in the name of religion, Srimad Bhagavatam says that all is false, all is false, all is tampered with and not pure, not pure! The pure type of religion is not yet spoken. It is there, all self-centered, the current is towards the centre, not only selflessness but self-sacrificing, self-forgiving, self forgetfulness, in that way we are to start, we are to start, we are to go." Rolling At The Door Sri Nityananda Prabhu came and applealed, "Come to Gauranga, He is the depot, He is the dynamo to send you there very easily. He sang these names of Gauranga on the banks of the Ganges. Bhaja gauranga, kaha gauranga, laha gauranga nam je jan gauranga bhaje se amar prana; all you people come and take refuge under the divine feet of Gauranga, give up everything and come fall at the feet of Gauranga, give up everything and come fall at the feet of Gauranga. Take His name, remember Him and throw yourself wholly at His disposal. He is my own life, I consider Him to be my life, my soul, my everything." Nityananda Prabhu saying this began to roll at the door of the householder, "Householders! you must do this." He is rolling and crying, "Accept Gauranga, you don't know what great benefit you will receive by doing this." He is rolling in the dust at the door of the householders with such an appeal. He came to the ordinary masses to give them shelter at the lotus feet of Gauranga, that is Nityananda Prabhu. He came to give Mahaprabhu even to Jagai and Madhai and he appealed to all from door to door to accept Gaurangadeva. You do not know what will be your prospect in life, the highest prospect in life! Nityananda's Mercy Nityananda Prabhu is our only hope, He is so benevolent, so generous, so gracious, that very easily we can draw his attention and we can get his recommendation. Gauranga Deva will not be able to disregard his recommendation, and when we have got the grace of Gauranga then the Radha-Krishna lila is within our fists. Nityananda Prabhu's grace means to get Mahaprabhu's grace within our clucthes and to get Mahaprabhu, means to get Radha-Govinda. Vrindavana, and then everything is within our fists. _________ (An article originally published in The Guardian of Devotion - the Calcutta edition of 1986. Unedited by Sri Guru Vandana, except for minor orthographical changes.) http://www.vaisnava.com/sbr_magn.html

So all is forgiven. Makes you think though, if a devotee of his standard can fall-down temp, then who are we? I know this is about Sanyasa, but just seeing things as they are, a pure devotee is rare indeed.

<font color="blue">"Jealousy-It's Cause and Cure" </font color> Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.27 Mayapur, March 5, 1976 by Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada Listen _________ Pusta Krsna: "Like the ordinary living entity, my Lord, You have no such discrimination, thinking like 'He is my friend; he is my enemy; he is favorable; he is unfavorable.' Such conception of low grade and high grade You have not got. But according to one's gradation of service, You offer them benediction exactly like the desire tree offers fruits according to the desire of the person. The desire tree has no distinction of low grade and high grade position of the beggar." Prabhupada: naisa paravara-matir bhavato nanu syat jantor yathatma-suhrdo jagatas tathapi samsevaya surataror iva te prasadah sevanurupam udayo na paravaratvam [sB 7.9.27] It is very important verse. Discrimination. Sometimes the atheist class demons, they say, "Why God has made somebody so opulent and why somebody so poor?" This is the general question. Perhaps you have met, eh? So that is being solved. Paravaratvam. Para means better, and apara means inferior. Superior and inferior. There are two things, superior and inferior, everywhere, but in the eyes of God, Krsna, there is no such thing, superior or inferior. He's superior, and everything is superior. This should be understood. There is no such discrimination that "Here is a devotee, so he's superior, and here is a nondevotee, he's inferior." That is not God's discrimination. That is your discrimination. If you like to remain as inferior, you can remain. God has given you independence. And if you like to become superior, you can become superior. It is not God's discrimination; it is your discrimination. Mind this verse very carefully. Krsna says that "You fully become dependent upon Me, and I shall give you full protection." This is superiority. As soon as I fully surrender to the supreme superior, Krsna, then my position is immediately superior. And if I don't do that, then I remain inferior. There is a verse in the Bhagavad-gita, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham: [bg. 4.11] "It is up to you to... If you surrender cent percent, then I am also fully cent percent for you." But if you have got discrimination -- "Certain percentage for my wife, certain percentage for my children, certain percentage for my country, certain percent...," so on, so on, so on, so on, ultimately, "Zero for God" -- then God is also zero. It is up to you. But if you take God -- "You are my everything" -- then He is also for you, everything. It is up to you. Paravaratvam. He does not discriminate. You discriminate. There are many persons, they come to Vrndavana, and whatever they have earned throughout the whole life, so they give everything to the wife and children and make contract that "I am going to Vrndavana. You send me at least two hundred rupees for my expenditure.And what about two lakhs and crores?Oh, that is yours. The two lakhs and crores, what I have earned, that is for you, my dear children, my dear wife, and you give me two hundred for God. So I am going to Vrndavana." So Krsna is very intelligent: "All right, I am also for you two hundred. (laughter) I am also for you two hundred." Ye yatha mam... This is the meaning, real meaning. Ye yatha mam prapadya... Krsna is for you. It is called... What is called the exact word? Responsive cooperation. "If you have surrendered to Me cent percent, then I respond cent percent. If you have surrendered twenty-five percent, then I respond twenty-five percent." This is the position. So Prahlada Maharaja knows it, that naisa paravara-matir bhavato: "You have no such thing as discriminating." So one may say that "I may... I am foolish, I may not surrender to Krsna cent percent, but why He is not kind cent percent?" So that is Krsna's discrimination. Why He should? He can... He can become cent percent, but He does not do so. That means Krsna is sentient; He is not impersonal. Don't think that whatever you are doing, Krsna cannot see. In the Deity room, if you think that "This Deity is made of brass. Whatever nonsense I can do, He does not see," no, He can see everything. Angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti pasyanti panti kalayanti. He sees. You rascal, you do not know how Krsna sees. You think that "He has these brass-made eyes. He cannot see. I can do all nonsense with..." No. That is not. He can see everything. Pasyanti panti. Angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti. He can see with His lotus feet. He can see with His hand. We can see simply with our eyes, but Krsna can see with all the... Angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti. You have seen. Krsna is playing the flute. The fingers are open. A finger touching: "What you are doing?" We do not know the fingers can also see. But this is absolute. Krsna can use His any energy, any power, any part of the body, for anything else. This is Krsna. Angani yasya sakalendriya-vrttimanti. So Krsna can see within our mind how much we are surrendered and how much we are after material enjoyment. Therefore the best thing is we have to make zero. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [brs. 1.1.11]. Sunyam means zero. Unless we make everything zero, simply Krsna fact... Krsna is only fact, and everything zero. Without Krsna, everything zero. Just like one is one and, zero is zero, but when zero is added with one, it becomes ten immediately, ten times, similarly, this material world is zero, and Krsna is one. If you want to enjoy the material world by your own effort, it will always prove zero. You'll never be satisfied. But you add this zero by the side of Krsna -- you enjoy like anything, ten times. Ten times. With zero, it is zero, But when it is added with Krsna, it is ten times. Just see practically. Our Krsna consciousness movement was started with forty rupees. Now that forty rupees or something added with Krsna, it has become forty crores. You see practically. When I started for your country, I came to Mayapur. I offered my obeisances to my spiritual master, then I went. At that time I had no money even to purchase the ticket. And after that, I have come with forty crores. This is the secret. Ye yatha mam prapadyante [bg. 4.11]. If you fully surrender to Krsna, then Krsna is there. You have to learn how to take from Krsna. Of course, a devotee is never desirous to take anything from Krsna. He wants to give only. This is pure devotee. A pure devotee wants, "Krsna, whatever little I have got, You take it, everything." And Krsna says, "Yes, because you have given your everything, even up to your life, I'll also give you My everything to you." This is Krsna. So Krsna has no discrimination, but it is up to us to know how to take from Krsna. Just like the example is given here that samsevaya surataror iva. Surataror iva. Surataroh means the desire tree. It is described in the Brahma-samhita, desire tree. Cintamani-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vrksa [bs. 5.29]. That is kalpa-vrksa. Kalpa-vrksa means... You have no experience. We have no experience. Kalpa-vrksa, there is in the higher planetary system and especially in the Vaikuntha world. There are, trees are kalpa-vrksa, because everything is spiritual; nothing is dead. Here you can take some fruits or flower from a particular tree, but there, if you like, you ask kachori and samosa from a tree -- you get. But we have no idea what is surataroh, what is kalpa-vrksa. Whatever you desire, you'll get it. Surabhih, surabhir abhipal... The cows are surabhi. Here you have got limitation. You can milk morning and evening to a certain extent, but there the cows are surabhi. Surabhi means you can milk as many times as you like, and as much milk as you want, you can take it. But these things are there. But we have no information. We are struggling here. Manah-sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati [bg. 15.7]. Because we are fools and rascals, we are trying to make some adjustment here. That is not possible. It is duhkhalayam asasvatam [bg. 8.15]. This is maya. We are trying to be happy in this material... It will never be possible. But these fools and rascals, they do not know. They are making big, big plans how to become happy, how to become, "In our country, in our home, in our society, in our family," and so on, so on, so on. This means we are simply becoming entangled. Ato grha-ksetra-sutapta-vittair janasya moho 'yam, aham moha [sB 5.5.8], illusion. It will never be possible. Therefore, the conclusion is, we should fully surrender, cent percent to Krsna, and then we become happy. Samsevaya surataror iva te prasadah. The example is: just like the desire tree, kalpa-vrksa. It can fulfill any desire, any desire. We have got so many desires. Krsna can fulfill all the desires. Please surrender to Krsna. This is the process. akamah sarva-kamo va moksa-kama udara-dhih tivrena bhakti-yogena yajeta paramam purusah [sB 2.3.10] We go here and there for fulfilling our desire, but if we are fully surrendered to Krsna, all our desires will be fulfilled sitting at home. We haven't got to go here and there. Therefore it is said, surataror iva te prasadah. And how it is? Sevanurupa. This is... This is the secret. If you are engaged cent percent in service, sevanu..., anurupam. It is proportion to your service. You cannot order Krsna, "Give me this." That is not possible. He is not your servant. Krsna cannot become anyone's servant, "Krsna, give me this, give me that." Krsna's not your servant. He's not order-supplier. His order you should supply. Then you can take. You don't make Krsna your order supplier. That is mistake. Therefore anyabhilasita-sunyam [brs. 1.1.11], pure devotion means first of all you learn not to order Krsna, "Krsna, give me this, give me that, give me that." Don't bother Krsna. That is the beginning of spiritual life. Anyabhilasita-sunyam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. You prepare to carry out every order of Krsna. Then it is spiritual life. Don't make Krsna your order-supplier. You become order-supplier of Krsna. Therefore it is said that sevanurupa. If you learn how to give service to Krsna cent percent, then you get everything, everything, without asking. Krsna knows everything, what is required for you. Just like a father knows what is the necessity of the child. The child never begs, "Father, give me this, give me that." No. He's simply dependent on parents. The parent knows. Similarly, if we become cent percent dependent and serve Him faithfully under His order or His representative's order, then the success is sure. Sevanurupa. Sevanurupam udayo. Udayo: "It becomes manifest." Just like the sun is rising in the sky. It is not by your order. It is rising by his own way. You cannot say that "My dear sun, please immediately come to the medium (meridian?) and make it noon.No, I am not your servant. I shall rise according to my principle." So similarly, if you cannot order even the sun, a creation of God, or anything according to your order, then how you can order Krsna? This is foolishness. Don't order Krsna. Try to serve Krsna. Then you'll be successful. Sevanurupam udayo na paravaratvam. Krsna has no discrimination that you are inferior; therefore His favor is not bestowed upon you. This is foolishness. Don't become envious of somebody who is getting Krsna's favor. Krsna is favoring him because he has served. You serve; you'll get favor. This is God. Krsna has no discrimination that one is getting more opulence, more success; another is rotting. That is not Krsna's; it is your discrimination. You wanted some rotten things; you get it. You wanted some stone and wood, you take it. But if somebody wanted to serve -- "I have given Him service" -- all right, you serve. This is paravara... Not paravaratvam, it is foolishness, that "Krsna has favored him so much. I not favored." You become just eligible to be favored, then you'll be favored. This is the process. Na paravaratvam. He has no such discrimination. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah [brs. 1.2.234]. Therefore the principle is sevanurupam. Always remember this, as it is said here, Prahlada Maharaja. Prasada... Krsna is always ready to give you prasada, all favor. Why not? Without doing something, you are getting so much favor. Without Krsna's favor you cannot live even for a moment. He's so kind. Even the cats and dogs, they are also getting Krsna's favor. Eko hi vidadhati bahunam kaman. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam... Eh? Eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). Krsna is so kind that He is supplying stool to the hog because he wants to eat it. He wants to eat. He has desire: "Give me facility for eating stool.Give me favor, facility, to drink fresh blood.All right, you take the suitable body. You want fresh blood? I'll... You get the tiger's body, the nails and the claws and the teeth. As soon as touches you, immediately all blood sucking." So He has delivered: "All right, take this facility." But what is the advantage of this facility? The facility is... You know. The tigers, they do not get food every day. He has got the facility to suck blood, but... All the implements he has got, but there is no chance. Because every animal knows, "In that part of the forest there is tiger," they do not go, so he starves. He starves. You'll find so many rich men, they have got enough money, but they cannot eat more. They cannot eat more. So this kind of facilities, it is our foolishness. It is not facility. That is punishment. Real facility is how to serve Krsna. That is real facility. So we should always ask, beg. That is the Caitanya Mahaprabhu's instruction. na dhanam na janam na sundarim kavitam va jagadisa kamaye mama janmani janmanisvare bhavatad bhaktir ahaituki [Cc. Antya 20.29, Siksastaka 4] This facility we should always ask: "Krsna, I don't want any facility of this material world. I am not worth to serve You; still, I am begging. Give me this facility so that I can get the chance to serve You." That is life's success. Thank you very much. (end) __________ To find out more about Srila Prabhupada Please Look at Krsna Consciousness the Matchless Gift http://krsnajoe.tripod.com or Krsna the Matchless Gift -- with all my web sites listed http://www.angelfire.com/ks2/ja Your Humble Servant Jaya Kesava Dasa And All my Obiesances and thanks to Pragrosh Das for making this Possible >>> Ref. VedaBase => Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.9.27 -- Mayapur, March 5, 1976

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