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Why does the BAPS sect feel the need to build mandirs in every city, shouldn't money be spent where its needed like charitiy causes in India?

 

 

 

Also, BAPS temples service multiple functions, alot of charities and walk-a-thon events are held there. Some recently, infact.

 

 

London has 45,000 Hindus living in Harrow, 40,000 in Brent, and many more in Hounslow, Ealing and Finchley. The Neasden temple is the epicentre of this community, but its reach extends further. Charity walks and the world’s largest finger painting have raised money for the British Heart Foundation, Breast Cancer Care and international disaster relief. The original volunteers have also used their experience to help build more increasingly elaborate mandirs around the world.

 

 

http://www.timeout.com/london/features/3961/Seven_wonders_of_London-BAPS_Shri_Swaninarayan_Hindu_Mandir.html

 

 

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20th October 2007

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Shatanand Swami in the Satsangi Jivan states that Gupt daan (donation to charity woithout others knowing) is the true way of the disciple of God. Thee do not require fame for the eyes of the world. We shpouldnt go round stating what we do in the name of charity or good will. As this is for self ego and pride.

 

Hence the Original Sampraday as it is, wstablished by Swaminar5ayan Bhagwan Himself, do alot of charity but do not feel the need to show it to the media and the world. But those that go to the temples may realise for themselves all the work carried out for the charities.

 

Jai Swaminarayan

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Shatanand Swami in the Satsangi Jivan states that Gupt daan (donation to charity woithout others knowing) is the true way of the disciple of God. Thee do not require fame for the eyes of the world. We shpouldnt go round stating what we do in the name of charity or good will. As this is for self ego and pride.

 

Hence the Original Sampraday as it is, wstablished by Swaminar5ayan Bhagwan Himself, do alot of charity but do not feel the need to show it to the media and the world. But those that go to the temples may realise for themselves all the work carried out for the charities.

 

Jai Swaminarayan

 

you talking about it now, kes you a hypocrit.

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Hello Das na das

 

I have read all your writings about the original swaminarayan sampraday and also about your dislikes and hatred of BAPS sanstha. I am a Hindu and am very proud of being one. Do you know the reason why the British ruled over India for over 200 hundred years. Three words " Divide and Rule". They made indians fight against each other. There is a joke about indian crabs. When transported in a ship, they are not covered. Do you know why?. Because One crab will pull the other down when trying to escape. What is funny about the joke is that it is really true. I think that is what is happening here.

 

In most of your posts you say not to take avgun. Let me ask you, do you know what avgun means. I dont think so. You are constantly criticising BAPS sanstha, at the end of the day each and every person in that sanstha chants the name of SWAMINARAYAN which i presume is also your GOD. If so then they are devotees of Swaminarayan as well. Hence you knowingly or unknowingly have also taken avgun of a GODS devotee.

 

A friend of mine once said that Lord Swaminarayan Says that whoever shall take his name even by mistake shall be granted Akshardham. That is what BAPS people and any other swaminarayan sanstha does. Dude relax.

 

My point is we are all Hindus and we should not fight amongst each other. We all have our differences no one person is the same. If you criticise BAPS so much I am sure the whole world have heard and seen about scandals from the sect you come from. I am not trying to name and shame any one. All i am saying is that The outsider is not going to pinpoint BAPS or Original Swaminarayan Sampraday or maninagar sampraday BUT they will pinpoint SWAMINARAYAN which is common in all these sansthas. In a family when a family member does something wrong the world does not point a finger at that specific person but at the family. I have witnessed this. When that SEX scandal happened in vadtal and videos of two sadhus were shown with a prostitute, friends in my school did not blame that sect but the swaminarayan sadhus. They did not specify from where they came. Hence the name of SWAMINARAYAN sadhus was spoilt.

 

So it is my request to you all arguing and debating about which sanstha does what to stop it. If you are all SWAMINARAYANS and read the Vachnamrut then instead of arguing you should be discussing vachnamruts and try to understand what the vachnamruts are talking about.

 

Please Behave as HIndus. We are known to be one of the oldest civilisation and one of the oldest Religion from earth. Hindus are peace loving and respective people. They do not criticise other peoples beliefs. If Someone believes in Original SWAMINARAYAN sampraday then good for you and if you believe in BAPS then good for you.

 

May GOD be with you and give you the light to understand. I appologise to you all if i have hurt you or offended you in any way. JAI HIND.

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First of all I do not HATE BAPS. Nor do I like them. I just do not agree with them. When I state truth according to the Swaminarayan scriptures many do not like this and thus they get defensive. Secondly if you read Sadguru Gopalanand Swamis Vato, He clearly describes what Avgun is and what avgun isn’t. He states to reveal something about something or somebody as its is with firm truth as confirmed by the scriptures, is not avgun. Also just chanting alone does not mean anything. It gives only little punya for those who do not follow the Upasna and Agna prescribed by Shriji Maharaj. If I took such avgun I would by now fall from this oath of Satsang whereas truth is im advancing very greatly. I also hope you do too.

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It can be clearly seen that you have not read the Scriptures of the Sampraday for yourself and instead you have just listened to your friend like you have stated. Well tell your friend to open his eyes to such scriptures. If this was the case that just by saying Swaminarayan you can gain Moksh then the whole world would get moksh as so many know His name yet carry on doing their everyday life. Eating meat, looting, not believing in God. Secondly if it was the case that anybody can start up a cult just chanting Swaminarayan and following the Sampraday how they think is right. Then what was the whole point of Agna and Upasna? Im relaxed by the way but it seems, to be too relaxed in faith, is not right. Nor is any other sort of compromising in a faith. <o:p></o:p>

 

As you say, you have read all my post then you will have also read my post about how these scandals were disastrous. However these were individual so called sadhu who were doing such were all excommunicated. They are serving a sentence in jail, which is good. As my point being that Swaminarayan Bhagwan did not instruct for His Sadhu’s to do such and if they have been doing such they should be clearly excommunicated and given to the police. We do not back them up. Its zero tolerance when it comes to Agna and Upasna my friend.

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This is the other thing, if I discuss the Scriptures then the Agna and Upasna comes out once again. All is clear in the scriptures. You talk of the Vachnamrut but then again it comes to the point where why followers of BAPS do not believe certain things. Why they turn a blind eye to them. At the end of the day of you want to please Bhagwan and eternally serve Him then all Vachnamrut should be followed and at least understood. Same goes for all the scriptures. For me its more about teaching people as well as learning myself. All should be aware of true Agna and Upasna. They are the winds of the Swaminarayan Sampraday. Its not something which should be disregarded. <o:p></o:p>

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By the way if you believe in BAPS its not good for you. I know you want to make it all lovey dovey and as though all will attain Aksgardham. But truth is only if you leave your inner enemies like Kaam, krodh and ALSO follow true Satsang as it is (by following Mahrajs agna) can one attain Shriji Maharaj. The scriptures clearly show this.

May Swaminarayan Bhagwan shower His blessings upon you so you may see it as it is. My many Dandvats to you, <o:p></o:p>

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Jay Swaminarayan.

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First of all I do not HATE BAPS. Nor do I like them. I just do not agree with them. When I state truth according to the Swaminarayan scriptures many do not like this and thus they get defensive. Secondly if you read Sadguru Gopalanand Swamis Vato, He clearly describes what Avgun is and what avgun isn’t. He states to reveal something about something or somebody as its is with firm truth as confirmed by the scriptures, is not avgun. Also just chanting alone does not mean anything. It gives only little punya for those who do not follow the Upasna and Agna prescribed by Shriji Maharaj. If I took such avgun I would by now fall from this oath of Satsang whereas truth is im advancing very greatly. I also hope you do too.

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It can be clearly seen that you have not read the Scriptures of the Sampraday for yourself and instead you have just listened to your friend like you have stated. Well tell your friend to open his eyes to such scriptures. If this was the case that just by saying Swaminarayan you can gain Moksh then the whole world would get moksh as so many know His name yet carry on doing their everyday life. Eating meat, looting, not believing in God. Secondly if it was the case that anybody can start up a cult just chanting Swaminarayan and following the Sampraday how they think is right. Then what was the whole point of Agna and Upasna? Im relaxed by the way but it seems, to be too relaxed in faith, is not right. Nor is any other sort of compromising in a faith. <o:p></o:p>

 

As you say, you have read all my post then you will have also read my post about how these scandals were disastrous. However these were individual so called sadhu who were doing such were all excommunicated. They are serving a sentence in jail, which is good. As my point being that Swaminarayan Bhagwan did not instruct for His Sadhu’s to do such and if they have been doing such they should be clearly excommunicated and given to the police. We do not back them up. Its zero tolerance when it comes to Agna and Upasna my friend.

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This is the other thing, if I discuss the Scriptures then the Agna and Upasna comes out once again. All is clear in the scriptures. You talk of the Vachnamrut but then again it comes to the point where why followers of BAPS do not believe certain things. Why they turn a blind eye to them. At the end of the day of you want to please Bhagwan and eternally serve Him then all Vachnamrut should be followed and at least understood. Same goes for all the scriptures. For me its more about teaching people as well as learning myself. All should be aware of true Agna and Upasna. They are the winds of the Swaminarayan Sampraday. Its not something which should be disregarded. <o:p></o:p>

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By the way if you believe in BAPS its not good for you. I know you want to make it all lovey dovey and as though all will attain Aksgardham. But truth is only if you leave your inner enemies like Kaam, krodh and ALSO follow true Satsang as it is (by following Mahrajs agna) can one attain Shriji Maharaj. The scriptures clearly show this.

May Swaminarayan Bhagwan shower His blessings upon you so you may see it as it is. My many Dandvats to you, <o:p></o:p>

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Jay Swaminarayan.

 

 

This is the other thing, if I discuss the Scriptures then the Agna and Upasna comes out once again. All is clear in the scriptures. You talk of the Vachnamrut but then again it comes to the point where why followers of BAPS do not believe certain things. Why they turn a blind eye to them. At the end of the day of you want to please Bhagwan and eternally serve Him then all Vachnamrut should be followed and at least understood. Same goes for all the scriptures. For me its more about teaching people as well as learning myself. All should be aware of true Agna and Upasna. They are the winds of the Swaminarayan Sampraday. Its not something which should be disregarded. <o:p></o:p>

 

 

Why dont you dicuss the scriptures and Show what true Agna and Upasana are?? Dont just keep advising people, You said we dont understand Vachanamrut. What exactly according to you we dont understand???? Please come up with references rather that just talking ???

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Jai swaminarayan.

 

Why do you not read my past post? I have many a times over and over, again and again posted scriptural reference. But i get no answer. For example where i type that Gopalanand Swami is Akshar. I gave you perfect reference and quotes but you BAPS followers state not one word against it. As you cant. As its clear. Where is Gunatit Parampara mentioned in the scriptures?

 

Do you fully understand Desh Vibhaag Lekh? Follow the the Sikshapatri for example wherei t stattes that one should not worship a murti which has not been consecrated by the Dharmvanshi Acharya?Have you read Vadtal 18? Have you read the Purshottam Prakash? Satsangi Jivan? There is so much i cpuld quote but you do not give me answers.

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jay shree swaminarayan

 

may purna purushottam bhagwan guide us all

and may he forgive us all

and may he bless us all

 

i am daas's daas ka daas

i love swaminarayan bhagwan and am the follower of AMDWAD DESH NARNARAYAN DEV GADI and more specifically fron the fellowship of BHUJ KUTCH NARNARAYAN DEV.

 

iread all this comments on bhaktas of differvt faiths trying to proove themselves right and in the process accusing each other,calling each other "fools" and "stupid"

my eyes are wet and tears runnind unstopably thrugh my eyes

come on bhktos

we are the followers of sanatan vaidic dharma

we r not fanatics

 

my personal philosophy is and will always be that "Swaminarayan Bhagwan is sarwopari ane he is the avtari"

 

but to proove that i will not like to down size or offend any avtars of swayam bhagwan

 

i apologise to u all on behalf of all for using this kind of language against each othe to proove that purna purushrttam bhagwan is purn purushottan bhagwan

 

may MAHARAJ forgive us all and help us have a better understanding of himself

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Im really glad that you follow what you should and i worship Shriji maharaj as Avtaari too yet realise all His avtaars as Himself. One should not discrimintae between avtaar and avtaari. As they are too Shriji Mahraj's swaroops.

 

Jai swaminarayan.

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A lot of us here keep throwing around citations from the various books and scriptures about whether or not Swaminarayan or Krishna are avatars or Gods of each other or whatever.

 

It has already been foretold that in the age of Kali, there will be many freudulant people who pose themselves as gurus or even avatars of Gods themselves. Therefore, it is recommended that in this age, instead of blindly following something, you should question it's authenticity for yourself. What I mean is, do you really believe in what this person is saying? Or is what this person is saying really making sense to you?

 

I myself follow this lifestyle, but only after the change of events I've had in my life.

 

For I use to accept Swaminarayan as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but now I outright reject him.

 

To explain how I got to this platform is a whole 'nother story, but to put it simply, I feel no attachment to the name "Swaminarayan" when I chant it, and I chanted it faithfully.

 

Many things I see in the Swaminarayan faith don't seem to make sense to me either.

 

Repeatedly, I see these Santos (Saints) give material benedictions to people, when they should truly be doing the opposite (give spiritual benedictions).

 

They also say that it is okay to sell tobacco products and liquor to people, as long as you donate some of that money to the temple to purify your profits. So here we have these people preach on how intoxication is horrible for a person on the path of spiritualism, yet at the same time find it okay to sell that stuff.

 

Even their leader, whom they call "Bapa" does the very same thing. Now granted, the majority of my experience is with the Swaminarayan branch of BAPS.

 

However, I have also been in contact with a few others (yes, there are quite a few of them), and they don't seem to be any different.

 

The majority, if not all, of the followers are also Gujurati people. For a faith that boasts their lord as being the Absolute Supreme, it has a very, very, VERY, selected group of people. The BAPS leader doesn't even know another language besides Gujurati.

 

I find it more wonderful that someone like Srila Prabhupada came to America, and in just 10 years spread the name of Krishna all over the world, and converted hundreds of some of the most fallen to his side.

 

Though while ISKCON suffered quite a bit do to the dog-minded people that took over after Prabhupada left, it's still around, and after 20 some years, it's slowly reviving stronger than ever.

 

For the record, I am a Patel, and was born in a 100% Gujurati family. My parents both believe in Swaminarayan, most of my dads family is devoted to that faith, while my mothers side is practically athiest with a couple of exceptions.

 

They're not very big into religion as they claim to be. I wish they took the words of the preachers more seriously, even if it's the Swaminarayans faith, but they just don't, and many other Gujurati families I see the same way.

 

I grew up in association with the Swaminarayan faith, so I do not speak blindly about this experience.

 

Whatever the case though, I will follow Krishna, and if you want to follow Swaminarayan, then so be it.

 

But you can learn about Krishna to.

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What are the basic philosophy of the Swaminarayan cult and how are they different from other branches?

 

Pretty much everything else is the same except for who the Personality of Godhead is.

 

They believe this Swaminarayana personality to be truly the most absolute, and pretty much the true core of God. Every other God we learn and see about, like Rama, Nrsimha, and Krishna are his extensions.

 

Ironically, Swaminarayana himself worshipped Lord Krishna from a very early age (6 years old I believe). What totally destroys any logic is that this guy later on claimed to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead, despite the fact he was a devotee of Krishna, and that is a well known, accepted fact in the Swaminarayan faith.

 

From my viewpoint, I would say the birth of this faith is a curse upon the Gujurati people. Despite claiming to be pure, not many people outside of that specific group have taken up this faith.

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A lot of us here keep throwing around citations from the various books and scriptures about whether or not Swaminarayan or Krishna are avatars or Gods of each other or whatever.

 

It has already been foretold that in the age of Kali, there will be many freudulant people who pose themselves as gurus or even avatars of Gods themselves. Therefore, it is recommended that in this age, instead of blindly following something, you should question it's authenticity for yourself. What I mean is, do you really believe in what this person is saying? Or is what this person is saying really making sense to you?

 

I myself follow this lifestyle, but only after the change of events I've had in my life.

 

For I use to accept Swaminarayan as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but now I outright reject him.

 

To explain how I got to this platform is a whole 'nother story, but to put it simply, I feel no attachment to the name "Swaminarayan" when I chant it, and I chanted it faithfully.

 

Many things I see in the Swaminarayan faith don't seem to make sense to me either.

 

Repeatedly, I see these Santos (Saints) give material benedictions to people, when they should truly be doing the opposite (give spiritual benedictions).

 

They also say that it is okay to sell tobacco products and liquor to people, as long as you donate some of that money to the temple to purify your profits. So here we have these people preach on how intoxication is horrible for a person on the path of spiritualism, yet at the same time find it okay to sell that stuff.

 

Even their leader, whom they call "Bapa" does the very same thing. Now granted, the majority of my experience is with the Swaminarayan branch of BAPS.

 

However, I have also been in contact with a few others (yes, there are quite a few of them), and they don't seem to be any different.

 

The majority, if not all, of the followers are also Gujurati people. For a faith that boasts their lord as being the Absolute Supreme, it has a very, very, VERY, selected group of people. The BAPS leader doesn't even know another language besides Gujurati.

 

I find it more wonderful that someone like Srila Prabhupada came to America, and in just 10 years spread the name of Krishna all over the world, and converted hundreds of some of the most fallen to his side.

 

Though while ISKCON suffered quite a bit do to the dog-minded people that took over after Prabhupada left, it's still around, and after 20 some years, it's slowly reviving stronger than ever.

 

For the record, I am a Patel, and was born in a 100% Gujurati family. My parents both believe in Swaminarayan, most of my dads family is devoted to that faith, while my mothers side is practically athiest with a couple of exceptions.

 

They're not very big into religion as they claim to be. I wish they took the words of the preachers more seriously, even if it's the Swaminarayans faith, but they just don't, and many other Gujurati families I see the same way.

 

I grew up in association with the Swaminarayan faith, so I do not speak blindly about this experience.

 

Whatever the case though, I will follow Krishna, and if you want to follow Swaminarayan, then so be it.

 

But you can learn about Krishna to.

 

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First of all Bhagwan Swaminarayan has been predicted within the scriptures many times. For example in the Skand Puran-Vishnu Khand-Vasudev Mahatmyam. So he is not a fraud. To actually state something about Him without reading what He did is just foolish. We are not blindly following what we do. We can clearly see that what Bhagwan Swaminarayan did any other mortal man cannot do. <o:p></o:p>

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What you reject or not is your problem. How you fail or carry out your bhakti is your own problem. You may at the same time as chanting not complying to your niyams and commands that God may have asked.. for example Brahmcharya, eating the right satvik food stuffs etc. Just chanting away for some time cannot achieve anything alone.

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Also what do you see in the faith that doesn’t make sense to you? Please could you be a bit more clearer? As even Hinduism today accepts The Swaminarayan Sampraday as in accordance with the Vedas, Purans and Upanishads.

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Also you have not seen the saints I have associations with so to come out with what you do about them giving material benedictions is foolish. Maybe you have been mixing with the wrong types of saints.

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It is not okay to sell liquor, tobacco to people wither. True saints never state such. Each person has to pay for their own deeds. The Swaminarayan scriptures state this clearly. However the BAPS saints do do such. But then again if your listening to them you are not following the authentic Sampraday and instead following the later offshoot cults.

You talk of the Sampraday being of highly populated with Gujratis. Well this may be a fact but you do not relaise the many new devotees who are today joining the holy fellowship. These include Chinese, africans and Caucasian people. Not just that but the saints that received initiation by Lord Swaminarayan were not all Gujrati either. For example Sachidanand Swami was from northern India, Vyapkanand Swami was from Nepal and there were hundreds of other saints from all over India. Bhagwan Swaminarayan travelled the whole of Inida and he Himself was born near Ayodhya. He met many people from other faiuths such as the Parsis like Ardeshar of Surat, Christians like Malclom John who served in the East India Company, Bishop heber, Miyaji and the Kingh of Junagadh who were muslims and became devotees. Also there are scriptures written in Telegu, Hindi, Sanskrit, Pali, English etc so how can you state such?

 

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Shri Prabhupad Swami was great and he is also recognised within the Swaminarayan Sampraday. He also met with Devendrapasadji Acharya of the Swaminarayan Sampraday as well. What swami Prabhupad did was really great. We followers of the Swaminarayan faith also adore what the Bhakts of ISKON and Gaudiya Math do today. Their Bhakti is great and very inspiring.

Both the Swaminarayan Sampraday and ISKOn are growing greatly today. Its vastness is spreading in the whole world. Which is great to see as both have deep roots in the Vedas and both are Satvik.

 

We learn of Shri Krushna and Swaminarayan Bhagwan too. But our Ishtadev is shri Swaminarayan and as our Ishtadev we she Him in all his murtis and All the Murtis of His Avtaars. We worship all His avtaars and also follow all the religious days.<o:p></o:p>

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Jai Swaminarayan.

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What are the basic philosophy of the Swaminarayan cult and how are they different from other branches?

 

 

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="98%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD width="100%" colSpan=2 height=20><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Ramanand Swami was born of Ajay Sharma (father) and Sumati (mother) in Ayodhya in Vikram Samvat 1795 in a Brahmin family. His child-hood name was Shri Rama Sharma. Ramanand Swami was considered to be the incarnation of Uddhavaji and he resembled Uddhavaji in knowledge and all other meritorious qualities. As he was inclined to asceticism from childhood, he decided not to enter worldly life. He invariably worshipped the idol of Lord Shri Krishna every day. Leaving home-life and visiting pilgrim spots he arrived in Talaja village in Saurashtra and studied Vedic and Indian Philosophical scriptures under scholar Kashiram and became the chief disciple of Atmanand Swami, the great ascetic at Gopnath. His contact with the Guru (Preceptor) led him to the Darshan of divine light of Brahman, considered as the ultimate reality in the universe. But Ramanandji always cherished a strong desire to have the Darshan of Lord Krishna with a form (shape).

</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right width=260>vadtal-31.jpg</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top colSpan=2> His Guru Atmanandji believed in the principle of non-dualism. So he left that place and arrived at Sri Rang Kshetra in the south. There he accepted Bhagawati Diksha (prescribed procedure to initiate a person into particular discipline of religion) in meditating state at the hands of Shri Ramanujacharya and after attaining the Darshan of Lord Krishna he went to Prayag, where he happened to meet Dharmadev, the father of Lord Swaminarayan. Ramanand Swami first offered Mantra Diksha (to initiate into Holy Fellowship) to Dharmadev and then touring through religious places arrived in to Saurashtra region and set up a hermitage in Loj village. About fifty sadhus became his disciples; the chief among them was Muktanandji. When leaving worldly life Lord Swaminarayan known as Neelkanth Varni arrived at Loj, He came in contact with Muktanandji.

Neelkanth Varni cherished a desire to meet Ramanand Swami. The meeting between Ramanand Swami and Neelkanth Varni took place in Piplana village. As Ramanand Swami asked Him about His caste and family; from this it was discovered that His father too, was his disciple. Ramanand Swami offered Diksha to Neelkanth Varni and initiated Him and gave Him two names Sahajanand Swami and Narayan Muni. On the 11th day of the bright half of Kartik month in Vikram Samvat 1858 Ramanand Swami assigned religious responsibility by consecrating Shri Sahajanand Swami on the High Seat of the Holy Fellowship. On that occasion Shri Sahajanand Swami asked for two boons from Ramanand Swami.

 

1.If any of your devotee suffers the pain of one scorpion-bite, let the pain come to Me in crores of bites (stings).

2.If any of your devotee is fated to hold a begging bowl, let it come to Me and let not any of your devotees should feel the want of food and clothing.

 

Even to day these boons are magical and mysterious blessings, which bring blissful happy life to the devotees of Lord Swaminarayan. He left his material body on this earth in Faneni village on the 13th day of the bright half of Margashirsha month of Vikram Samvat 1858 and left for heavenly imperishable abode.

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By His own grace and at His own will Lord Swaminarayan manifested (born) Himself for the protection of religion and devotion in Kaliyuga for the welfare of numerous embodied souls. Lord Swaminarayan is the direct incarnation of Narayan Himself, at Whose will infinite universes create, sustain and destroy.

Thus His biological manifestation (birth) took place on 9th day of bright half of Chaitra month in V.S. 1837, known as Ramanavami in Chhapaiya, a village near Ayodhya in Uttar Pradesh. His father Dharmadev was Samavedi scholar Brahmin and mother was called Bhaktidevi owing to her devotional virtues and sacred qualities. After the passing away of His parents, when He was only eleven, the ascetic minded Neelkanth Varni later called Lord Swaminarayan, renounced His home with all its wealth and comforts and set out as a pedestrian pilgrim visiting Indian pilgrim spots and holy sites.

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2> For the period of several years of His pilgrimage He performed severest penances for His devotees. As a part of His pilgrimage through Gujarat He happened to arrive in Loj village, situated midway between Somnath and Porbunder in Saurashtra. There He met Muktanandji, the chief disciple of great master Ramanand Swami; and later He came to have a face-to-face meeting with Ramanand Swami in a village called 'Piplana'.

Having taken birth in material body Lord Swaminarayan, too accepted Ramanand Swami, as His preceptor (Guru) and as per set religious rules got initiated, receiving Diksha at the hands of the great preceptor. Then the great preceptor handed over the control and management of entire Uddhava Religious Discipline to Lord Swaminarayan, Who inspired people to have Darshan of their family God instance without practising the Ashtang Yoga. Many people became His-words and His disciples after properly checking and testing the meditation process by the Lord. Without giving much importance to mysterious performances and miracles He engaged Himself in enriching the society by teaching them purity of thought, food, conduct by removing bad habits, addiction, blind faith, suspiciousness, immorality, corruption, luxury, inertness, theft, dacoity etc. Some scholars believed that there can be no incarnation of the God in Kaliyuga, He convinced them through proofs from the Geeta, the Bhagawat and other scriptures that Lord Swaminarayan is the Supreme incarnation and made them His wards and disciples. Lord Swaminarayan is the Supreme Brahman and the proof to this fact is found in ancient scriptures e.g.,

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“Whenever religion suffers tormented regression I re-create myself to uproot irreligion and re-establish good religion to protect the gentle folk and to destroy the evil ones in every age”. (Geeta 48-49)

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You don't, but I know them all, for good many a birth yours and mine, have gone in the past (Geeta 45). According to the Geeta there is no such rule that incarnation should take place in Triyuga having 10 or 24 in number, other scriptures also offer similar description.

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To protect religion I get another body, to eradicate irreligion I do manifest when the age demands (Shrimad Bhagawat) Brahmapurana says:

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In Satyuga I manifest as Dattatreya, as Raghunandana in Treta Age, as Vasudeva in Dwapara, as Vrishatmaja (i.e. born of Shri Dharmadev) in Kaliyuga. Vishwaksena Samhita says :

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Among all parts of universe I take birth on the Earth, I shall adore Vaikuntha adopting the name Sahajanand. All these scriptures prove Lord Swaminarayan as the Vedic acceptance of incarnated Supreme Reality.

Like the previous incarnations He did not destroy demons but He removed the demonic inclinations and turned demonic persons into divine ones. He uplifted and elevated the classes like Kathi-koli, Ahir, Shudra, Bhil, Moslims, illiterate peasantry etc. Apart from backward classes but great scholar-poets, officials, rulers and kings renouncing worldly life joined the Holy Fellowship, got initiated into asceticism, became stoics and set out for the spread of religion. Scholar saints offered valuable devotional prose-verse literature by offering volumes written in Sanskrit, Hindi, Brijbhasha and Gujarati. He opposed violent killing of animals before deities and in the Yajnas and offering scholarly counseling, stopped violence done in the name of religion. He advocated and popularised non-violent Yajnas. Lord Swaminarayan did welfare to many humans and animals by creating free-food centres, wells, step-wells, tanks and temples. He declared in Shikshapatri-47,

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Both Narayan and Mahesh (Shiva) should be understood as one, both are proven forms of Brahman confirmed by Vedas. Thus he brought an end to the hostility between the Shaivas and Vaishnavas.

In order to bring complete chastity of character into the Holy Fellowship, He ordered that the temples, meeting assemblies and initiating rites should be quite separate for male and female followers. So he appointed married persons as chief of the Fellowship, from His own family line, and ordered the saints to observe eight types of aloofness from females. So that there would remain no possibility of corruption by crossing boundaries of self-control.

In order to prevent any blind tradition in the pure devotion of the Lord with a form (figure) he got large and beautiful temples constructed and wrote a sacred volume called Shikshapatri for the welfare of many souls even after His leaving the human body. Having fulfilled His mission of establishing the Bhagawat Dharma and the task of rejuvanising and revitalizing the ancient Vedic path, He left His mortal coil and assented to His divine abode Akshardham at Gadhpur (Saurashtra) on the 10th day of the bright half of Jyestha month of Vikram Samvat 1886; thenceforward He has been offering His divine vision in the form of an idol installed by Him in various temples in Holy Fellowship.

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD colSpan=2> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2 height=20>Five Vows of Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday :

Bhagwan Shree Swaminarayan established five (5) Vows Panch Vartaman for people in Ghruhashram i.e. house-holders and five (5) Vows for people in Tyagashram (Swamis/Saints).

The basic five Vows of house-holders :

 

 

The followers were increased in a large number. Only devotion and worship is not enough for salvation. The virtuous moral and devotional human life is absolutely necessary. So He (Lord Swaminarayan) preached the five basic Vows compulsory for all.

  1. <LI class=maintext>NOT to drink wine, liquor or any intoxicating drug of any sort in any form in any case, NOT even as a medicine. <LI class=maintext>NOT to eat meat in any form in any case. NOT even as the offerings of evil deities or sacrifice or as a medicine to save one's own life. <LI class=maintext>To abstain from adultery. NOT to look at a lady passionately. NOT to keep close contact with ladies except the nearest relatives. <LI class=maintext>NOT to steal even a smallest thing. Even the worthless flowers should NOT be taken for offerings to deities without the permission of the owner.
  2. NOT to take food and drinks from improper persons and by improper sources.

Whosoever wants to become the follower of Lord Swaminarayan has to take an oath in presence of a great Saint keeping water in his right hand to abstain from these five. If anybody transgresses any of these five is not called a follower of Swaminarayan. He is excommunicated. These are the five basic Vows for house-holders. These are known as Panch Vartman.

The five Vows of Saints (Sadhus) :

Saints of Swaminarayan have to observe strictly their special five vows listed below as well as the five basic vows listed above. They are given them at the time of their initiation as Saints. They are initiated by either Vadtal or Ahmedabad gadi's Acharya.

  1. <LI class=maintext>Lustless: Desireless:- He has to observe Naishthik Brahmacharya i.e. eight-fold celibacy strictly. He has to observe a fast if he has seen a face of a lady. Not to expect any remuneration even of his good deeds or must not have any desire of anything. <LI class=maintext>Greedless:- He should not be attached at all to the worldly objects. He should keep clothes and things only permitted to him. He should not accept, touch or possess even any sort of currency of his own. <LI class=maintext>Tasteless:- He should not be allured or tempted at all to any taste. Not to eat anything which is not offered to God, that also mixed togather with water. <LI class=maintext>Prideless:- He should not have any sort of pride of renouncement, penance, knowledge, efficiency religious austerity, devotion, etc. If anybody beats him, abuses him or insults him, he should endure patiently, not to be angry at all, should forgive, not to oppose, not to keep any grudge or any ill feelings for him, but to wish good for him and to pity for his ignorance.
  2. Affectionless:- He should not have any affection at all towards his body, his relatives, his disciples or anything except Almighty God Supreme.

There are 11 Niyams that each Satsangi of Shree Swaminarayan Sampraday has to follow :

 

 

  1. <LI class=maintext>Hinsa na karvi (Be non-violentby any means) <LI class=maintext>Parstri no sang na karvo (Do not have any kind of relationship with other woman other than your wife) <LI class=maintext>Mansh na khavu (Do not eat meat, i.e. including seafood, poultry products, eggs) <LI class=maintext>Daru na pivo (Do not drink products that contain alcohol, i.e. wine, beer, medicine that contains alcohol) <LI class=maintext>Vidhva stri no sparsh na karvo (Never touch widow woman whom you do not know) <LI class=maintext>Atmaghat na karvo (Never commit a suicide in any circumstances) <LI class=maintext>Chori na karvi (Do not steal things that belong to others) <LI class=maintext>Koi ne kalank na devu (Never blame others for something that you may not know about) <LI class=maintext>Devo ni ninda na karvi (Never bad mouth about God, Goddesses, or any religion) <LI class=maintext>Jenu na khaptu hoy tenu na khavu (Never eat someone's food who does not follow these eleven rules established by Lord Shree Swaminarayan in Shikshapatri)
  2. Bhagwan thi vimukh hoy tena thaki katha na sabhalavi (Never listen holy stories from a person who does not believe in the existence of God, i.e. a person who is an atheist)
Questions and Answers based on "Shikshapatri" Sloks : What should a devotee ask to Bhagwan ?

 

 

  1. <LI class=maintext>Hey Maharaj! Hey Swami! Hey Krupasindhu! Hey Sharnagat Pratipalak! Ohh Lord! please save me from Kusangi (bad people). There are 4 types of bad people: (I) Kundapanthi - People who won't let you follow the Niyams of Satsangi, (II) Shakti Panthi - People who would force you to eat meat and to drink beer, wine, etc., (III) Shushka Panthi - People who would not let you perform Bhakti, etc., (IV) Nastik - People who do not believe in existence of God <LI class=maintext>Hey Maharaj! Kaam, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Ahankar, Irshya, Dehabhiman aa je antahsatru thanki maari raksha karjo.
  2. Hey Maharaj! Nitya tamara bhakt no samagam dejyo. (Please give me an opportunity to meet your satsangi everyday)
Reference: "Vachanamrut", Gadhada Pratham - 48

 

Bhagwan Shree Swaminarayan also told his devotee to do one extra Dandvat Pranam everyday after the Puja and prey Him "Hey Bhagwan! mara thi jan ta ajanta mun, vachan ane dehe kari ne aapna bhakt no dhroh thayo hoy to mane maaf karjo." This way Bhagwan will forgive you in case if you hurt a Bhagwan's Bhakt with or without any purpose. ("Vachanamrut", Gadhada Madhya - 40) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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Pretty much everything else is the same except for who the Personality of Godhead is.

 

They believe this Swaminarayana personality to be truly the most absolute, and pretty much the true core of God. Every other God we learn and see about, like Rama, Nrsimha, and Krishna are his extensions.

 

Ironically, Swaminarayana himself worshipped Lord Krishna from a very early age (6 years old I believe). What totally destroys any logic is that this guy later on claimed to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead, despite the fact he was a devotee of Krishna, and that is a well known, accepted fact in the Swaminarayan faith.

 

From my viewpoint, I would say the birth of this faith is a curse upon the Gujurati people. Despite claiming to be pure, not many people outside of that specific group have taken up this faith.

 

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All is the same. Just like the worshippers of Shri Raam see Shri Raam as the oersonality of godhead, the worshippers of Shri Krishna see Shri Krishna as the Personality of godhead we followers of Shri Swaminarayan see Shri Swaminarayan as the personality of Godhead. This is normal as otherwise there would be no point of having a Ishtadev. We have unflinching love for our Ishtadev which many do not like. But this is Vedic custim. <o:p></o:p>

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Just like Goswami Tulsidas had deep love for His beloved Shri Bhagwan Raam. Wen he went to Vrindavan he had the divine darshan of Bhagwan as shri Krishna. But he would not bow down. He said oh Lord please show me yourself as Shri raam, pick up your bow and arrow only then I will bow down to you. He did not think that Shri Krishna was different as all the incarnations of God are God Himself. But Tulsidas had firm love in the Murti of Shri Raam. He saw the personality of Godhead in this way. When Shri Krishna changed his appearance as Shri Raam then Tulsiidas bowed down and feel at the feet of his beloved Ishtadev. This is called pati Vrata ni tek<o:p></o:p>

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In the same way, we followers of Shri Swaminarayan see Swaminarayan Bhagwan like this and hold him dear to our hearts. This does not mean we do not believe Shri Raam or Shri Krishna etc. Anyone who does this or thinks this way is foolish. We see our Swaminarayan in all murtis of his avatars. <o:p></o:p>

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Swaminarayan Bhagwan worshipped Krishna just like Shri Krishna worshipped Laksmi Narayan and Shri Raam did Shri Shivji. This does not mean that one is lesser just because one aspect of God worships his own self. For example lord Parshuram bowed down to Shri Raam and Shivji. Lord Shri Krushna bowed down and worshipped Parshuram at Sandipani Ashram when He finished His studies and was given the Sudarshan chakra. Shri Krishna regular worshipped the Mahadev ling in this very achram for many years. Next you will be saying this is ironic? So your statement holds no water. You make me laugh. <o:p></o:p>

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By the way if you don’t accept Shri Swaminarayan as God then fine. But that doesn’t mean you go round calling him “this guy” etc. As everyone who does not believe Him to be God knows that He was at least a great Acharya. So to state such disrespectfully shows your lack of mahima for Him. You clearly have not read the scriptures nor learnt into the details of what He had accomplished. Like gave thousands the ability to see His abodes with his Divine Murtis in them abodes of His like Golok and Vaikunth. Which cannot be accomplished this easy even through Ashtang yoga. <o:p></o:p>

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He performed many thousands upon thousands of miraculous acts which no mere human can perform. These eye witnessed acts have been recorded in hundreds upon hundreds of books written by a variety of authors not just a few. Even the Governor of Mumbai Sir Malcolm John at the time who met God wrote so much upon Him. Describing Him as “no ordinary man”. <o:p></o:p>

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You clearly have not researched all this so your views are yet biased unlike mine. I myself am a Gujarati who left the ISKON Sampraday and the BAPS cult to join the Authentic Swaminarayan Sampraday after realising its greatness. Im not saying that ISKON is devoid of what they do. I still regard ISKOn as greatly. But advancing in the way prescribed as a ISKON follower.. I found this very hard as many commands that should be in place are not for example the mixing of males and females on great festivals troubled many devotees. Whereas BAPS is completely devoid of Bhagwan Swaminarayan teachings so I can understand why you feel the way you do and why you know so little about Shri Swaminarayan. <o:p></o:p>

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From my viewpoint I think your biased and not only that but you do not have a clue about the greatness of this Swaminarayan faith. You see all the bad apples which exist in all walks of life yet you do not see the greatness of it. I think by taking the bad attributes of God Himself and His people, it is your view and mind that is cursed. Juts like Shri Swaminarayan mentions in Vachnamrut one of Gadhpur. By the way the Swaminarayan Sampraday is still a baby. Shri Krishna Bhagwan came many thousands of years ago and ISKON only started recently where the Caucasians joined it. Bu the way after Shri Krushna departed for Golok only a handful of people knew of His greatness and Him being God. These are all mentioned within the Mahabharat and brahm Vaivart Ouran. Whereas while Shri Swaminarayan Bhagwan was present on this earth thousands upon thousands knew of Him being God. The Swaminarayan Sampraday is only 170+ years old and many of the faith scriptures have not even been published. We are all living off Swaminarayan Bhagwans divine acts only from about 100 scriptures. So imagine when the rest of the scriptures are published!!! The future is bright my friend. <o:p></o:p>

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Jai Swaminarayan

Jai Shri Krishna

Jai Shri Raam

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What are the basic philosophy of the Swaminarayan cult and how are they different from other branches?

 

The Swaminarayan faith is not a "cult" my friend. BAPS on the other way can be said to be a cult as it is an offshoot of the actual Sampraday.

 

The authentic Swaminarayan faith established by Swaminarayan Bhagwan is a Sampraday.

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I for one used to go to a local BAPS temple, I still go but not very regularily, I have less enthusiasm now. It seems a major thing many BAPS LOVE to do is insult my istadev Bhagwan Krsna in all ways possible. They consider him as ishwar, on par with the devas like Indra etc. They even considier thier guru to be above Lord Krsna! In one of their books they say it was Swaminarayan who was preaching Gita to Arjuna in Krsna's body!:mad2:

Anywhos, however messed up their philosophy is, BAPS is doing very commendable things, their devotees are very focused and devoted to Hindu religion and their Guru Shir Pramukh Swami seems genuine.

 

 

Anyways while I agree way more with the traditional two diocese, they are WAY corrupt with their so called "saints" abounding in murder, sex ,etc. what a joke!

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celina12: you silly girl why do you have "Krishnadev" in your avatar:confused: , you will now have the punishment of going to Goloka:eek: .

 

All kidding aside, why do BAPS call Lord Krshna as "dev" I have NEVER heard this before?

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celina12: you silly girl why do you have "Krishnadev" in your avatar:confused: , you will now have the punishment of going to Goloka:eek: .

 

All kidding aside, why do BAPS call Lord Krshna as "dev" I have NEVER heard this before?

 

Thats a stupid joke. This is how BAPS followers think anyway. I have met many like this. The Mool sampraday under the two dicese which Shri swaminarayan Bhagwan established does not think liek this. If anyone does all tehy deserve is hell. As shri Swaminarayan is krishna and shri krishna is Swaminarayan.This is eternal truth. if anyone ever reads the swaminarayan scriptures they will come to knowthos for themselves.

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I for one used to go to a local BAPS temple, I still go but not very regularily, I have less enthusiasm now. It seems a major thing many BAPS LOVE to do is insult my istadev Bhagwan Krsna in all ways possible. They consider him as ishwar, on par with the devas like Indra etc. They even considier thier guru to be above Lord Krsna! In one of their books they say it was Swaminarayan who was preaching Gita to Arjuna in Krsna's body!:mad2:

Anywhos, however messed up their philosophy is, BAPS is doing very commendable things, their devotees are very focused and devoted to Hindu religion and their Guru Shir Pramukh Swami seems genuine.

 

 

Anyways while I agree way more with the traditional two diocese, they are WAY corrupt with their so called "saints" abounding in murder, sex ,etc. what a joke!

 

 

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The Mool Sampraday does not talk of Shri Krushna Bhagwan as such. Anyone who does is evil and shall go to hell. BAPS should not insult Krushna Bhagwan like such. Ishwar is Parbrahm not an Ishwar. Talking about their gurus as above Krishna is also wrong… see this is what I mean!!! Its not Vedic. Only God is within Gods body LOL. i mean thats silly way to think that Swaminarayan is within krishnas body. i mean thats stupid as Krishna is not just a Body. Krishna is Krishna. All Incarnations are of Supreme reality. people call Him by the name f their Ishtadev. Nothing wrong in that. But one shouldnt insult A avtaar of God.

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Another thing is that no matter how many commendable things one may do … it doesn’t mean anything if this is what they think about God. If you read the Vachnamrut you will come to know for yourself. Upasna and agna is very important. One cannot be genuine if their school of thoughts is devoid of Gods. The original Sampraday is the only way one can attain ,moksh within the Swaminarayan Sampraday. Summing up the whole diocese by looking at a few bad apples is stupid. Have you even seen, heard or met the many true saints, bhakts and Acharyas? Also read the scriptures.. it clearly states who should follow what irrespective of the situation…. Its all a big test. <o:p></o:p>

 

God bless you to see whats right.

 

Jai Swaminarayan.

Jai shri Krushna.

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Please read within the Nishklanand Kavya the Purshottam Prakaash Prakaar 37:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p>

 

 

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Chopai: Ek bahu bahu Parkare re, vale Jeev tarya ah vare re<o:p></o:p>

Bahu Hari kari Parmarth re, tarya jeev vavri samarthya re<o:p></o:p>

Varto vichaar karyo che vale re, avu avu ghanu kem chale re<o:p></o:p>

Mota mota karavya Mandir re, tema rakhya sant sudhir re<o:p></o:p>

Pan teh toh sant che joh tyagi re, vasi kem sakshe vitragi re<o:p></o:p>

Mamat vina Mandir kem rehshe re, vaat bandh eh kem bes she re<o:p></o:p>

Jeh tyagi che triya dhan tanare, deh suchthi nirashi ghanare<o:p></o:p>

Tene nahi jarvaay jagya re, nathi vaat eh banva lagya re<o:p></o:p>

Mate ena karu ek dhani re, toh rakhe khabar eni ghani re<o:p></o:p>

Pachi sarvar desh thi sambandhi re, tene teravi jaygha didhire<o:p></o:p>

Sthapya dat putra pote sthir re, avadhprasadne raghuvir re<o:p></o:p>

Tene ape karya acharyaj re, karva bahu jivna kaarajre<o:p></o:p>

Apya vechimandir ne desh re, jema koi ne na thay kalesh re<o:p></o:p>

Sadhu Satsangi na guru kidha re, desh uttar dakshin vechi didha re<o:p></o:p>

Kahe sau sahune desh rejo re, saro sahune updesh dejo re<o:p></o:p>

Tamne manshe pujshe jeh re, mota sukh ne pamshe the re<o:p></o:p>

Ann dhan apshe anbar re, pashu vahan ne vari ghar re<o:p></o:p>

Fal full dal jal deshere, te toh akhand dham ne leshe re<o:p></o:p>

Eh adi jeh apshe vastra re, eva ghar dhaari jeh gruhast re<o:p></o:p>

Vari padhravshe potane gher re, karshe seva vari sari pere re<o:p></o:p>

Vari karshe sanmaan enu re, mare karvu che kalyaan tenu reh<o:p></o:p>

Em acharya thi kalyaan re, thashe sahu jivnu sujaan re<o:p></o:p>

Mano moksh no chelo upaay re, eh upraant nathi kahy re<o:p></o:p>

Murti acharaj dharmpaal re, reshe kalyan te bahu kaar re<o:p></o:p>

Jeh jeh ene koi asharshe re, teh toh jaroor bhavjar tarshe re<o:p></o:p>

Karshe darshan gunn leshe re, vari pachya pramane koi deshe re<o:p></o:p>

Shraddha sahit seva kare soi re, vari raaji thashe ene joi re<o:p></o:p>

Eva jann jeh jeh jagh mahi re, teni karvi mare sahaay re<o:p></o:p>

Mari iccha che hamh evi re, param prapti sahu devi re<o:p></o:p>

Mate moksh nu motu dvaar re, ame ughadiyu che ahh vaar re<o:p></o:p>

Acharya thi bahu udharshe re, jano brahmnagar vaas karshe re<o:p></o:p>

Em shri mukhe kahyu Shrijire, jan sau satya mani lijiye re.

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Bhagwan this time round emancipated many souls.With his great powers he showed much of his divinity. God thought, how can what He has established exist for the maximum time? God decided that He has constructed big temples and got saints to reside therein. But these saints are renunciates how will they live with so much control. How can temples exist without the saints thinking them as their own? These saints cannot have money or women and even not attached to their own body. They should not and cannot control such places, so I shall establish those who can control all this. So God called His relatives from sarvar desh and gave them places to stay. He consecrated Ayodhyaprasad and Raghuvir as His sons. He then initiated them as Acharyas so that they could help those in seek of salvation. He divided the land and the mandirs unto them so no one would have problems. He made them the gurus of ALL sadhus and satsangis and divided the land into southern and northern divisions. He stated for them to live in their respective regions and preach the goodness of others to them. Whoever listens to the word of the Acharyas and performs their veneration will attain much happiness. Whoever donates them grain, money, animals, transport, fruit, flowers and water they will attain my eternal abode. Whichever householders gives all this and anything else such as clothes as well as calls them unto their home, venerates them, provides service to them and respects them, I, will give them moksh. In this way the Acharyas will give Moksh to the souls. You should all believe that this is the final and fourth way to attain liberation. There is no other way after this fourth way to attain moksh. I shall live in the Acharyas forever. Whoever takes refuge unto them will definitely cross this material world. Whoever has their darshan and takes their good attributes, talks good of them, serves them with love and gets happy unto seeing them, I personally will look after them forever. I want all to attain such liberation of this kind, such is my will. Hence this is a great big door for attaining moksh, which I have opened this time round. Many will be liberated through these Acharyas and live in my Brahmpur abode. This is what Shriji Maharaj Himself stated. Hence all should believe such firmly.

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Dharmvasnhini gadiye beshe re, vari kavshe dharm updeshi re<o:p></o:p>

Mate ethi tarshe apaar re, nischay janjo eh nirdhar re<o:p></o:p>

Bahu kaar laghi kalyaan re, thashe nischay jano nirvana re<o:p></o:p>

Evi iccha che joh amari re, evu dhaam thi avya ame dhari reh<o:p></o:p>

Em bolya shri hari harakhi re, suni vaat lidhi che joh lakhi re.

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The Dharmvanshis have sat on my throne and will give dharm to all. Hence many will get liberated from them so all should realise this. Many will attain Moksh from them for all time. This is our will and I have decided this all the way from Akshardham. This is what Shri Hari stated in great joy and hearing this I have written it here. – Nishkulanand Swami.

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Please read within the Nishklanand Kavya the Purshottam Prakaash Prakaar 40:<o:p></o:p>

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Mate sau dharmkul manjo, sau karjo eni sev<o:p></o:p>

Anya jan jeva eh nahi, eh che janjo mota dev<o:p></o:p>

Ek Brahmin jano bhakt ati, vari kave amaru kul<o:p></o:p>

Ene sevta sau jann tamo, pamsho such atur<o:p></o:p>

Manvanchit vaat malshe, vari sevta ena charan<o:p></o:p>

Eh che amari agna, sarve kaalma sukh karan<o:p></o:p>

Mann karm vachane manjo, ema nathi sanshay laghaar<o:p></o:p>

Eh dvare mare anekno, aaj karvo che udhaar<o:p></o:p>

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Chopai: mate sau rejo ene vachane re, tyagi gruhi sahu ek mane re,<o:p></o:p>

Rejo Dharmvanshi gamte re, vartsho mah koye mann mate re<o:p></o:p>

Eh kahye tem sau karjo re, puchya vina toh pagh na bharjo re<o:p></o:p>

Haath jori ne rejo hajur re, kari daapan potani door re<o:p></o:p>

Vidhya gunn buddhi ne bare re, ene dabaava nahi koi pare re<o:p></o:p>

Tyagi raaghi neh kavi koi hoy re, toy ene manjo sahu koi re<o:p></o:p>

Vad vivaad kari vadane re, eshu bolsho ma koi danne re<o:p></o:p>

Eni vaat upar vaat ani re, kedi vadsho ma mukhe vaani re<o:p></o:p>

Ene horye hathaavi harvi re, potani sarsaai na karvi re<o:p></o:p>

Pote samji potane praveen re, ene samajsho ma gunn hee re<o:p></o:p>

Jem eh vaare tem varjo re, ena kaam kaaj ma bharjo re<o:p></o:p>

Eni manjo sahu agna re, vartsho ma koi vachan vina re<o:p></o:p>

Ene raaji raksho joh tame re, toh tam par raaji chiyye ame re<o:p></o:p>

Ene raaji rakshe jeh jann re, tene amne karya prasann re<o:p></o:p>

Kaah je amara thekane eh che re, teto praveen hoy the priche re<o:p></o:p>

Bija jann eh marm nah lahe re, bhora manushya ne bhorai rahe re<o:p></o:p>

Pan samajvi vaat sudhi re, ati mati na rakhvi undhi re<o:p></o:p>

Vachan dvare vasya ame ema re, tame fer jansho ma tema re<o:p></o:p>

Ame ema eh che amm maahi re, em samjo sahu bai bhai re<o:p></o:p>

Ethi ame argha na rahiye re, ema rahine darshan dahi re<o:p></o:p>

Jeh jeh jann ne thaay samaas re, teh toh ame kari rahya vaas re<o:p></o:p>

Sher patane sanmaan jare reh, the toh amari samarthi vare re<o:p></o:p>

Deshpardesh pujaay aapre, tetoh jano amaro prataap re<o:p></o:p>

Jya jaay tiya jaay jeet re, tetoh ame rahya rudi reet re<o:p></o:p>

Em samjo sahu sujaan re, amm vina nah hoy kalyaan re<o:p></o:p>

Dharmvanshi acharyaj mahi re, sada rahyo chu mari irchaay re<o:p></o:p>

Ati dharmvara joi jann re, rehva maani gayu maru mann re<o:p></o:p>

Mate ene puje hu pujano re, tetoh jarror jann mann jano re<o:p></o:p>

Enu jene karyu sanmaan re, tene maru karyu che nidaan re<o:p></o:p>

Em jaani lejo sahu jann re, em bolya shri Bhagwan re<o:p></o:p>

Suni jann magan thaya re, dhanya dhanya swami keva rahya re<o:p></o:p>

Pachi sau acharya sevya re, tetoh mota such ne leva re.

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Hence all should have firm faith in the dharmkul and should all serve them. They are not like the other people; understand them to be great Devtas. They are Brahmins and that too of my family. By serving them you shall attain happiness too. By serving them and paying respect at their feet you will all attainyou’re your desires. This is our order, which should be followed for all time. Believe this by mind, action and speech there is no doubt in this at all. I want to from now give moksh to many. <o:p></o:p>

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Hence all should live in their commands whether it is the Sadhu’s or householders. Do not live by following your mind always live as they would want <o:p></o:p>

you to live. Do as they ask and never even step forward without asking them. Always be humble with them and cast away any foolishness. All renunciates, householders and even the likes of singers should live according to them. Never <o:p></o:p>

fall into arguments with them. If you keep them happy then I will be happy upon you. Do not think yourselves greater or knowledgeable than them nor enter into <o:p></o:p>

debates with them or think them without any good attributes. Whoever keeps them happy means that they are keeping me happy. Do as they ask and always aid them in their work. Follow their orders and do not live without their agna. The yare in place of me, only those who are worthy shall understand this. Other people will not understand this and are misinformed and fall into false understanding. But one should understand this talk and not have a false sense of belief. I live in the Acharyas through my divine speech do not see any different. All males and females should understand that the Acharyas live in me and I live in them. I do not live far from them at all, I give my darshan through them. Whoever advances in Satsang shall understand that its because I live close to them. Wherever the Acharyas shall be respected they will understand it to be because of my greatness. They will be venerated here and in other foreign lands<o:p></o:p>

and that is too because of my supremacy. Wherever they go they will triumph as I live in them in a great way. All should understand this greatly. As without Me there is no liberation. I live in the Dharmvanshi Acharyas with my own will. I also live in those who follow Dharm greatly. Thus worshipping them I am too worshipped. All you people should realise such with firm minds. Whoever has respected the Acharyas in such a way has said to have done what I have stated for them to do. So all of you shall realise such. In that Shri Bhagwan spoke. All were happy to hear this and they thought how greatly God lives amongst us. Then all performed veneration of the Acharyas to attain the divine bliss of God.

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