To Prove a Avatar or Incarnation of God this verse is enough.

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Sanatana,

 

You posted the greatness of krishna but it is not only krishna but even Shiva to has been praised highly by Pushhpadanta and how he has composed praising Shiva. These are all storas composed by devotees to praise God in many of his forms. As I have said earlier Krishna, yes the incarnation of Vishnu but Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are one but in three forms and to say one is supreior to the other is ignorant. It is ok for members of ISKCON to praise Krishna and bless them for their work but to condemn Shiva and Brahma by saying they are demigods i what I do not like and if they want to say such thing than I would surely oppose it. To me Krishna is only an avatar no matter what you quote from the Bgh. Gita. As a Hindu I cannot accept only Krishna as the supreme. To me all is one and I pay my homage to all in various ways. But if this continues than you would see my post opposing to all concept. It is a my way of showing those ignorant fools what is God all about. And a for Sai Baba, let him be as what he wants to be for thou should not judge others as you would be judged by your creator if you know what I mean. Sai Baba is instilling faith and confidence in those who are in the verge of giving up on God and to say he is this and that is wrong as none of these people had any personal experienece with him but just listen to rumours alone. If you visit the Ismalic web sites do you know how they condemn Krishna saying he is a sex pevert looking at naked wome and having 16,000 wives and so on. Surely I'm annoyed at it but what about this guys calling Sai Baba a child molester and so on, are this justified? Why do they want to say such is clearlyt known coz Sai Baba has millions of followers and ISKCON seem to be lacking that coz whatever members they had are now reducing in numbers. I'm sure you know why. Anyway, sorry for being direct and hope you would understand.

 

 

 

The Shiva Mahimna Stotra

The Shiva Mahimna Stotra is very popular among the devotees of Lord Shiva and is considered one of the best among all Stotras (or Stutis) offered to Lord Shiva. The legend about the circumstances leading to the composition of this Stotra is as follows.

 

A king named Chitraratha had constructed a nice garden. There were beautiful flowers in this garden. These flowers were used every day by the king in worshipping Lord Shiva.

 

One day a Gandharva (Singer in the court of Indra, the Lord of the Heaven) named Pushhpadanta being fascinated by the beautiful flowers, began to steal them, as a consequence of which king Chitraratha could not offer flowers to Lord Shiva. He tried very hard to capture the thief, but in vain, because the Gandharvas have divine power to remain invisible.

 

Finally the king spread the Shiva Nirmaalya in his garden. Shiva Nirmaalya consists of the Bilva leaves, flowers, et cetera which have been used in worshipping Lord Shiva. The Shiva Nirmaalya is

considered holy.

 

The thief Pushhpadanta, not knowing this, walked on the Shiva Nirmaalya, and by that he incurred the wrath of Lord Shiva and lost the divine power of invisibility. He then designed a prayer to Lord Shiva for forgiveness. In this prayer he sung the greatness of the Lord.

 

This very prayer became well known as the `Shiva Mahimna Stotra'. Lord Shiva became pleased by this StotraM, and returned Pushhpadanta's divine powers.

 

The legend has some basis since the name of the author is mentioned in verse number 38 of the stotraM. The recital of this stotra is very beneficial, and Shri Ramakrishna, one of the famous saints of the nineteenth century, went into samadhi just by reciting a few verses from this hymn.

 

Let its recitation be beneficial to you as well!

 

 

|| AUM namaH shivaaya ||

 

|| atha shrii shivamahimnastotram.h ||

 

mahimnaH paaraM te paramavidushho yadyasadR^ishii

stutirbrahmaadiinaamapi tadavasannaastvayi giraH |

athaa.avaachyaH sarvaH svamatiparimaaNaavadhi gR^iNan.h

mamaapyeshha stotre hara nirapavaadaH parikaraH || 1||

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O, Lord Shiva, remover of all types of miseries, what wonder is there, if the prayer to you, chanted by one who is ignorant about your greatness, is worthless! Because, even the utterance ( speech ) of Brahmaa and other gods is not able to fathom your merits ( ie, greatness ). Hence, if persons with very limited intellect ( and I am one of them ) try to offer you a prayer, their attempt deserve your special favour. If it is so, I should not be an exception. Hence, (thinking like this ) I begin this prayer. (1)

 

 

atiitaH pa.nthaanaM tava cha mahimaa vaaN^manasayoH

atadvyaavR^ittyaa yaM chakitamabhidhatte shrutirapi |

sa kasya stotavyaH katividhaguNaH kasya vishhayaH

pade tvarvaachiine patati na manaH kasya na vachaH

 

 

O, Great God, so great is your majesty that it cannot be reached by speech and mind. Even the Vedas also, having become surprised, confirm your greatness by only saying `Neti', `Neti' (not this, not this) while

describing you. Who can praise this type of greatness of yours? With how

many qualities is it composed? Whose subject of description can it be ? And yet even then whose mind and speech are not attached to your this new Saguna form ?

 

 

madhusphiitaa vaachaH paramamR^itaM nirmitavataH

tava brahman.h kiM vaagapi suragurorvismayapadam.h |

mama tvetaaM vaaNiiM guNakathanapuNyena bhavataH

punaamiityarthe.asmin.h puramathana buddhirvyavasitaa

 

 

O, Paramaatmaa (Greatest Soul), as you are the very creator of speech of the Vedas, which is like highest type of nectar and as sweet as honey, how can even the speech of Brahaspati (Guru, or spiritual guide of gods)

surprise you ? (ie, the speech of even Brahaspati is worthless before you).

 

O, Destroyer of Three Cities of the demons, thinking that my speech may become purified by this act, my intellect (Buddhi) has become prepared to sing your greatness.

 

 

tavaish{}varyaM yattajjagadudayaraxaapralayakR^it.h

trayiivastu vyastaM tisrushhu guNabhinnaasu tanushhu |

abhavyaanaamasmin.h varada ramaNiiyaamaramaNiiM

vihantuM vyaakroshiiM vidadhata ihaike jaDadhiyaH

 

 

O, Giver of Boons, your greatness is the cause of creation, maintenance,

and destruction of the whole universe; this is supported by three Vedas (ie, Rigveda, Yajurveda, and Saamaveda); it is distributed in the three qualities (ie, Satva, Rajas and Tamas) and three bodies (of Brahmaa, VishhNu and Mahesha). Such is your greatness but certain stupid persons in this world are trying to destroy it by slander, which may be delightful to them but is really undelightful.

 

 

kimiihaH ki.nkaayaH sa khalu kimupaayastribhuvanaM

kimaadhaaro dhaataa sR^ijati kimupaadaana iti cha |

atarkyaishvarye tvayyanavasara duHstho hatadhiyaH

kutarko.ayaM kaa.nshchit.h mukharayati mohaaya jagataH

 

 

If the Paramaatmaa (the Greatest Soul) creates the three worlds (ie, the

whole Universe), what is his gesture ? What is his body ? What is his plan ? What is his basis (support)? What are his means (instruments,resources) ? These are the useless questions raised by some stupid critics, in order to mislead people, against one (i.e., you) who always remains incompatible to senses.

 

 

 

ajanmaano lokaaH kimavayavavanto.api jagataaM

adhishhThaataaraM kiM bhavavidhiranaadR^itya bhavati |

aniisho vaa kuryaad.h bhuvanajanane kaH parikaro

yato mandaastvaaM pratyamaravara sa.nsherata ime

 

 

 

O, Best Of The Gods, are the seven Lokas (It is believed that there are seven worlds in this Universe, namely, Bhooloka, Bhuvarloka, Svargaloka, Maharloka, Janaloka, Tapaloka, and Satyaloka) unborn ? Was the birth of the Universe independent of its Lord (ie, You) ? If it was so, then what were the means by which it was created that the stupid critics are creating doubts about you? (ie, you are the only creater of the whole Universe).

 

 

 

trayii saaN^khyaM yogaH pashupatimataM vaishhNavamiti

prabhinne prasthaane paramidamadaH pathyamiti cha |

ruchiinaaM vaichitryaadR^ijukuTila naanaapathajushhaaM

nR^iNaameko gamyastvamasi payasaamarNava iva

 

 

 

The different practices based on the three Vedas, SaMkhya, Yoga, Pashupata-mata, VaishhNava-mata etc. are but different paths (to reach to the Greatest Truth) and people on account of their different aptitude choose from them whatever they think best and deserved to be

accepted. But as the sea is the final resting place for all types of streams , You are the only reaching place for all people whichever path,straight or zigzag, they may accept.

 

 

 

mahoxaH khaTvaaN^gaM parashurajinaM bhasma phaNinaH

kapaalaM chetiiyattava varada tantropakaraNam.h |

suraastaaM taamR^iddhiM dadhati tu bhavadbhuupraNihitaaM

na hi svaatmaaraamaM vishhayamR^igatR^ishhNaa bhramayati

 

 

O, Giver of the Boons, the bull, the parts of a cot, chisel, the elephant-skin, Ashes, the serpent, the skull : these are the articles of your house-hold. And yet gods get all their riches merely by the movement of your eye-brows. Really, false desires for worldly things do not deceive (mislead ) one who is always is absorbed in his soul ( ie, the Yogi- in fact You ).

 

 

 

dhruvaM kashchit.h sarvaM sakalamaparastvadhruvamidaM

paro dhrauvyaa.adhrauvye jagati gadati vyastavishhaye |

samaste.apyetasmin.h puramathana tairvismita iva

stuvan.h jihremi tvaaM na khalu nanu dhR^ishhTaa mukharataa || 9||

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O, Destroyer Of ( Three ) Cities, some persons call this Universe eternal ( ever lasting), others call it temporary, and yet others call it both eternal and temporary. Hence, being surprised ( perplexed ) by these contradictory opinions on this subject, I am really becoming immodest in loquaciously praising You. (9)

 

 

tavaishvaryaM yatnAd.h yadupari viriJNchirhariradhaH

parichchhetuM yAtAvanilamanalaskandhavapushhaH |

tato bhaktishraddhA\-bharaguru\-gR^iNadbhyAM girisha yat.h

svayaM tasthe tAbhyAM tava kimanuvR^ittirna phalati || 10||

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Brahma and VishhNu wanted to measure your wealth i.e.greatness. You took the form of Fire and your whole body was a column of fire extending over space. While Brahma took the form of a swan and flew high to see the

top(head), VishhNu took the form of a boar and dug up downwards to see the bottom (feet).Neither could succeed.(While VishhNu confessed the truth, Brahma falsely claimed that he had found the top and persuaded the Ketaki flower to bear false witness.Shiva punished Brahma by removing one of his 5 heads and ordered that henceforth the Ketaki flower should not be used for his worship).When ultimately both praised you with full devotion and faith, you stood before them revealing your normal form. O, mountain-dweller, does not toeing your line always bear fruit? (10)

 

 

ayatnAdAsaadya tribhuvanamavairavyatikaraM

dashaasyo yadbAhUnabhR^ita\-raNakaNDU\-paravashAn.h |

shiraHpadmashreNI\-rachitacharaNAmbhoruha\-baleH

sthirAyAstvadbhaktestripurahara visphUrjitamidam.h || 11||

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Oh,destroyer of the three cities! The effortless achievement of the ten-headed Ravana in making the three worlds enemyless( having conquered) and his arrant eagerness for further fight by stretching his arms,are but the result of his constant devotion to your lotus feet at which he ever laid the lotus garland consisting of his 10 heads! (11)

 

 

amushhya tvatsevA\-samadhigatasAraM bhujavanaM

balAt.h kailaase.api tvadadhivasatau vikramayataH |

alabhyApAtAle.apyalasachalitA.ngushhThashirasi

pratishhThA tvayyAsId.h dhruvamupachito muhyati khalaH || 12||

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Having obtained all his prowess through worshipping you, RavaNa once dared to test the power of his arms at your own dwelling place(Kailas Mountain). When he tried to lift it up, you just moved a toe of your foot on a head of his and lo! Ravana could not find rest or peace even in the nether-world. Surely, power maddens the wicked. Finally RavaNa reestablished his faith in you. (12)

 

 

yadR^iddhiM sutrAmNo varada paramochchairapi satIM

adhashchakre bANaH parijanavidheyatribhuvanaH |

na tachchitraM tasmin.h varivasitari tvachcharaNayoH

na kasyApyunnatyai bhavati shirasastvayyavanatiH || 13||

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Oh boon-giver! BaaNa, the demon king made all the three worlds serve him with all their attendants and even the greatest wealth of Indra was a trifle for him. It was not a surprise at all, since he `dwelt' in your feet; who does not rise in life by bowing his head to you? (13)

 

 

akANDa\-brahmANDa\-xayachakita\-devAsurakR^ipA

vidheyasyA.a.asId.h yastrinayana vishhaM sa.nhR^itavataH |

sa kalmAshhaH kaNThe tava na kurute na shriyamaho

vikAro.api shlAghyo bhuvana\-bhaya\- bhaN^ga\- vyasaninaH || 14||

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When the ocean was being churned by the gods and demons for

`amRit.h'(nectar),various objects came forth: at one point, there emerged the `kAlakUTa' poison which threatened to consume everything. The gods as well as the demons were stunned at the prospect of the entire universe coming to an end, O, three-eyed lord, who is ever compassionate and engaged in removing the fear of the world, you took it(poison) on yourself by consuming it. (On Parvati's holding Shiva's throat at that point, the poison froze blue there itself and Shiva became `neelakanTha'). It is strange that this stain in your neck, though appearing to be a deformity, actually adds to your richness and personality. (14)

 

 

 

asiddhArthA naiva kvachidapi sadevAsuranare

nivartante nityaM jagati jayino yasya vishikhAH |

sa pashyannIsha tvAmitarasurasaadhAraNamabhUt.h

smaraH smartavyAtmA na hi vashishhu pathyaH paribhavaH || 15||

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The cupid's(love-god `manmatha's) (flower) arrows never return unaccomplished whether the victims were gods or demons or men. However O, master! he has now become just a remembered soul (without body),since he looked upon you as any other ordinary god, shot his arrow and got burnt to ashes,in no time. Insulting, masters (who have controlled their senses), does one no good. (15)

 

 

mahI pAdaaghAtAd.h vrajati sahasA sa.nshayapadaM

padaM vishhNorbhrAmyad.h bhuja\-parigha\-rugNa\-graha\- gaNam.h |

muhurdyaurdausthyaM yAtyanibhR^ita\-jaTA\-taaDita\-taTA

jagadraxAyai tvaM naTasi nanu vAmaiva vibhutA || 16||

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You dance for protecting the world, but strangely, your glorious act appears to produce the opposite result in that the earth suddenly struck by your dancing feet doubts that it is coming to an end; even VishhNu's domain is shaken in fear when your mace like arms bruise the planets; the godly region feels miserable when its banks are struck by your agitated matted locks (of hair)! (16)

 

 

viya\dvyaa pI tArA\-gaNa\-guNita\-phenodgama\-ruchiH

pravAho vArAM yaH pR^ishhatalaghudR^ishhTaH shirasi te |

jagaddvIpAkAraM jaladhivalayaM tena kR^itamiti

anenaivonneyaM dhR^itamahima divyaM tava vapuH || 17||

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The divine river flows extensively through the sky and its charm is enhanced by the illumination of the foam by the groups of stars. (Brought down to the earth by the King Bhagiratha by propitiating Lord Shiva and known as Ganga) it creates many islands and whirlpools on the earth. The same turbulent river appears like a mere droplet of water on your head. This itself shows how lofty and divine your body(form) is! (17)

 

 

rathaH xoNI yantA shatadhR^itiragendro dhanuratho

rathAN^ge chandrArkau ratha\-charaNa\-pANiH shara iti |

didhaxoste ko.ayaM tripuratR^iNamADambara vidhiH

vidheyaiH krIDantyo na khalu paratantrAH prabhudhiyaH || 18||

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When you wanted to burn the three cities, you had the earth as the chariot, Brahma as the charioteer,the Meru mountain as the bow, the sun and the moon as the parts of the chariot and VishhNu himself(who holds the chariot-wheeel in his hand -Sudarshan chakra?), as the arrow. Why this demonstrative show when you as the dictator of everything, could have done the job as a trifle? The Lord's greatness is not dependent on anybody or anything. ( Incidentally there is a view that the burning of the three cities would refer to the burning of three kinds of bodies of man i.e.

 

`sthUla sharIra', `sUkshma sharIra' and `kAraNa sharIra'). (18)

 

 

hariste sAhasraM kamala balimAdhAya padayoH

yadekone tasmin.h nijamudaharannetrakamalam.h |

gato bhaktyudrekaH pariNatimasau chakravapushhaH

trayANAM raxAyai tripurahara jAgarti jagatAm.h || 19||

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VishhNu once brought 1000 lotuses and was placing them at your feet; after placing 999 flowers he found that one was missing; he plucked out one of his own eyes and offered it as a lotus; this supreme exemplification of devotion on his part was transformed into the wheel (sudarshana chakra) in his hand, which he uses for protecting the world. (19)

 

 

kratau supte jAgrat.h tvamasi phalayoge kratumatAM

kva karma pradhvastaM phalati purushhArAdhanamR^ite |

atastvAM samprexya kratushhu phaladaana\-pratibhuvaM

shrutau shraddhAM badhvA dR^iDhaparikaraH karmasu janaH || 20||

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You ensure that there is a connection between cause and effect and hence when men perform a sacrifice they obtain good results. Otherwise how can there be future result for a past action? Thus on seeing your power in rewarding people performing sacrificial worship, with good results, men believe in Vedas and firmly engage themselves in various worshipful acts. (20)

 

 

kriyAdaxo daxaH kratupatiradhIshastanubhR^itAM

R^ishhINAmArtvijyaM sharaNada sadasyAH sura\-gaNAH |

kratubhra.nshastvattaH kratuphala\-vidhAna\-vyasaninaH

dhruvaM kartuM shraddhA vidhuramabhichArAya hi makhAH || 21||

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All the same,O Protector. though you exert to reward all sacrifices. those done without faith in you become counter-productive, as exemplified in the case of the sacrifice performed by Daksha; Daksha was well-versed in the art of sacrifices and himself the Lord of Creation; besides, he was the chief performer: the great maharishis were the priests and the various gods were the participants! (Daksha did not invite Shiva and insulted him greatly; thus enraged, Shiva destroyed the sacrifice and Daksha too). (21)

 

 

prajAnAthaM nAtha prasabhamabhikaM svAM duhitaraM

gataM rohid.h bhuutAM riramayishhumR^ishhyasya vapushhA |

dhanushhpANeryAtaM divamapi sapatrAkR^itamamuM

trasantaM te.adyApi tyajati na mR^igavyAdharabhasaH || 22||

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O, Protector! Once Brahma became infatuated with his own daughter. When she fled taking the form of a female deer he also took the form of a male deer and chased her. You took the form of a hunter and went after him, with a bow in hand. Struck by your arrow and very much frightened, Brahma fled to the sky taking the form of a star. Even today he stands frightened by you. (22)

 

 

svalAvaNyAsha.nsA dhR^itadhanushhamahnAya tR^iNavat.h

puraH plushhTaM dR^ishhTvA puramathana pushhpAyudhamapi |

yadi straiNaM devI yamanirata\-dehArdha\-ghaTanAt.h

avaiti tvAmaddhA bata varada mugdhA yuvatayaH || 23||

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O, destroyer of the three cities! Boon-giver! Practitioner of austerities! Before the very eyes of Parvati, you reduced Manmatha (the god of love) to ashes,the moment he tried to arouse passion in you for Parvati, by shooting his famous flower arrows. Even after witnessing this, if Parvati, thinks that you are attracted by her physical charm, on the basis of your sharing half the body with her, certainly women are under self-delusion. (23)

 

 

shmashAneshhvAkrIDA smarahara pishAchAH sahacharaaH

chitA\-bhasmAlepaH sragapi nR^ikaroTI\-parikaraH |

amaN^galyaM shIlaM tava bhavatu nAmaivamakhilaM

tathApi smartR^INAM varada paramaM maN^galamasi || 24||

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O,boon giver! O,destroyer of Cupid! You play in the burning ghats. your friends are the ghosts. Your body is smeared with the ashes of the dead bodies. Your garland is of human skulls. Every aspect of your character is thus inauspicious. Let it be. It does not matter. Because, with all these known oddness, you are quick to grant all auspicious things to the people who just think of you. (It is interesting to note here that in his Devi aparaadha kshamApana stotra Shankaracharya says that,despite his poor and deficient possessions,Shiva got the power to grant boons entirely because because of his having taken the hand of Parvathi in marriage; in the previous shloka, Pushhpadanta calls it naive on the part of Parvati, if she thinks that Shiva is attracted by her charm simply because he is sharing half the body with her.This dichotomy etc. is due to the custom that when a particular lord is to be extolled, the other gods are to be belittled to some extent). (24)

 

 

manaH pratyak.h chitte savidhamavidhAyAtta\-marutaH

prahR^ishhyadromANaH pramada\-salilotsaN^gati\-dR^ishaH |

yadAlokyAhlAdaM hrada iva nimajyAmR^itamaye

dadhatyantastattvaM kimapi yaminastat.h kila bhavAn.h || 25||

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The great yogis regulate their breath, control and still their mind, look inward and enjoy the bliss with their hair standing on edge and eyes filled with tears of joy. It looks as though they are immersed in nectar. That bliss which they see in their heart and exult thus, is verily you Yourself! (25)

 

 

tvamarkastvaM somastvamasi pavanastvaM hutavahaH

tvamApastvaM vyoma tvamu dharaNirAtmA tvamiti cha |

parichchhinnAmevaM tvayi pariNatA bibhrati giraM

na vidmastattattvaM vayamiha tu yat.h tvaM na bhavasi || 26||

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You are the sun, the moon, the air, the fire, the water, the

sky(ether/space), and the earth (the five elements or `bhUtA's). You are the Self which is omnipresent. Thus people describe in words every attribute as yours. On the other hand, I do not know any fundamental principle or thing or substance, which you are not! (26)

 

 

trayIM tisro vR^ittIstribhuvanamatho trInapi surAn.h

akArAdyairvarNaistribhirabhidadhat.h tIrNavikR^iti |

turIyaM te dhAma dhvanibhiravarundhAnamaNubhiH

samasta\-vyastaM tvAM sharaNada gR^iNAtyomiti padam.h || 27||

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O, grantor of refuge and protection! The word `OM' consists of the three letters `a', `u' and `m'. It refers to the three Vedas(Rik, YajuH and SAma), the three states (Jaagrat.h, Swapna, and sushhupti-awakened,

dreaming and sleeping),the three worlds(BhUH, bhuvaH and suvaH) and the three gods (Brahma, VishhNu amd Mahesha).It refers to you yourself both through the individual letters as well as collectively; in the latter form (i.e. the total word `OM') it refers to your omnipresent absolute nature,as the fourth state of existence i.e `turIyaM' (sleep-like yet awakened and alert state, as a fully- drawn bow). (27)

 

 

bhavaH sharvo rudraH pashupatirathograH sahamahAn.h

tathA bhImeshAnAviti yadabhidhAnAshhTakamidam.h |

amushhmin.h pratyekaM pravicharati deva shrutirapi

priyAyAsmaidhAmne praNihita\-namasyo.asmi bhavate || 28||

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I salute you as the dear abode of the following 8 names:bhava, sharva, rudra, pashupati, ugra, sahamahAn.h, bhiima, and Ishaana; the `Vedas' also discusses individually about these names. (28)

 

 

namo nedishhThAya priyadava davishhThAya cha namaH

namaH xodishhThAya smarahara mahishhThAya cha namaH |

namo varshhishhThAya trinayana yavishhThAya cha namaH

namaH sarvasmai te tadidamatisarvAya cha namaH || 29||

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O, destroyer of Cupid! O, the three-eyed one! Salutations to you, who is the forest-lover, the nearest and the farthest; the minutest and the biggest, the oldest and the youngest; salutations to you who is everything and beyond everything! (29)

 

 

bahula\-rajase vishvotpattau bhavAya namo namaH

prabala\-tamase tat.h saMhAre harAya namo namaH |

jana\-sukhakR^ite sattvodriktau mR^iDAya namo namaH

pramahasi pade nistraiguNye shivAya namo namaH || 30||

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Salutations to you in the name of'Bhava' in as much as you create the world by taking the `rajas' as the dominant quality; salutations to you in the name of `Hara' in as much as you destroy the world by taking the `tamas' as the dominant quality; salutations to you in the name of `MRiDa', in as much as you maintain and protect the world by taking `satva' as the dominant quality. Again salutations to you in the name of Shiva in as much as you are beyond the above-mentioned three qualities and are the seat of the supreme bliss. (30)

 

 

 

kR^isha\-pariNati\-chetaH kleshavashyaM kva chedaM

kva cha tava guNa\-sImollaN^ghinI shashvadR^iddhiH |

iti chakitamamandIkR^itya mAM bhaktirAdhAd.h

varada charaNayoste vAkya\-pushhpopahAram.h || 31||

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O, boon-giver! I was very perplexed to sing your praise considering my little awareness and afflicted mind vis-a-vis your ever increasing limitless quality; however, my devotion to you made me set aside this diffidence and place these floral lines at your feet. (31)

 

 

asita\-giri\-samaM syAt.h kajjalaM sindhu\-pAtre

sura\-taruvara\-shAkhA lekhanI patramurvI |

likhati yadi gR^ihItvaa shAradA sarvakAlaM

tadapi tava guNAnAmIsha pAraM na yAti || 32||

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O, great master! Even, if one were to assume that the blue mountain , the ocean, the heavenly tree and the earth are the ink,the ink-pot, the pen and the paper respectively and the goddess of learning (Saraswati) herself is the writer,she will not be able to reach the frontiers of your greatness,however long she were to write! (32)

 

 

asura\-sura\-munIndrairarchitasyendu\-mauleH

grathita\-guNamahimno nirguNasyeshvarasya |

sakala\-gaNa\-varishhThaH pushhpadantAbhidhAnaH

ruchiramalaghuvR^ittaiH stotrametachchakAra || 33||

}

 

 

The best one among all groups(Gandharva?), Pushhpadanta by name, composed this charming hymn in none too short metres, in praise of the great lord who wears the moon in his head(Shiva), who is worshipped and glorified by all demons, gods and sages and who is beyond all attributes and

forms. (33)

 

 

aharaharanavadyaM dhUrjaTeH stotrametat.h

paThati paramabhaktyA shuddha\-chittaH pumAn.h yaH |

sa bhavati shivaloke rudratulyastathA.atra

prachuratara\-dhanAyuH putravAn.h kIrtimA.nshcha || 34||

}

 

Whoever reads this faultless hymn of Shiva daily, with pure mind and great devotion, ultimately reaches Shiva's domain and becomes equal to him; in this world, he is endowed with children, great wealth,

long life and fame. (34)

 

 

maheshAnnAparo devo mahimno nAparA stutiH |

aghorAnnAparo mantro nAsti tattvaM guroH param.h || 35||

}

 

 

There is no God higher than Mahesha; there is no hymn better than this one. There is no `mantra' greater than `OM' and there is no truth or principle beyond one's teacher/spiritual guide. (35)

 

 

dIxA dAnaM tapastIrthaM GYAnaM yAgAdikAH kriyAH |

mahimnastava pAThasya kalAM nArhanti shhoDashIm.h || 36||

}

 

 

Initiation(into spiritual development), charity, penance,

pilgrimage,spiritual knowledge and religious acts like sacrifices are not capable of yielding even one-sixteenth of the return that will result from the reading of this hymn. (36)

 

 

kusumadashana\-nAmA sarva\-gandharva\-rAjaH

shashidharavara\-maulerdevadevasya dAsaH |

sa khalu nija\-mahimno bhrashhTa evAsya roshhAt.h

stavanamidamakArshhId.h divya\-divyaM mahimnaH || 37||

}

 

 

Kusumadanta(equivalent of Pushhpadanta) was the king of all Gandharvas and he was a devotee of the Lord of lords, Shiva, who wears the baby moon (with a few digits only) in his head. He fell from his glorious position due to Shiva's wrath at his misconduct. It was then that the Gandharva composed this hymn which is the most divine. (37)

 

 

suragurumabhipUjya svarga\-moxaika\-hetuM

paThati yadi manushhyaH prAJNjalirnAnya\-chetAH |

vrajati shiva\-samIpaM kinnaraiH stUyamAnaH

stavanamidamamoghaM pushhpadantapraNItam.h || 38||

}

 

 

If an aspirant for heaven and liberation, worships Shiva,the teacher of

gods, at first and then reads this unfailing hymn, composed by

Pushhpadanta, with folded hands and single-mindedness, he attains Shiva's abode, being praised by `kinnaras'(a group of semi-gods known for their singing talent). (38)

 

 

AsamAptamidaM stotraM puNyaM gandharva\-bhAshhitam.h |

anaupamyaM manohAri sarvamIshvaravarNanam.h || 39||

}

 

 

Here ends this meritorious,charming and incomparable hymn, uttered by the Gandharva, all in description of the great master. (39)

 

 

ityeshhA vA{N^}mayI pUjA shrImachchhaN^kara\-pAdayoH |

arpitA tena deveshaH prIyatAM me sadaashivaH || 40||

}

 

 

Thus, this worship in the form of words, is dedicated at the feet of Shri Shankara; may the ever-auspicious lord of the gods be

pleased with this. (40)

 

 

tava tattvaM na jAnAmi kIdR^isho.asi maheshvara |

yAdR^isho.asi mahAdeva tAdR^ishAya namo namaH || 41||

}

 

 

I do not know the truth of your nature and how you are. O, great God! My

Salutations are to that nature of yours of which you really are. (41)

 

 

ekakAlaM dvikAlaM vA trikAlaM yaH paThennaraH |

sarvapApa\-vinirmuktaH shiva loke mahIyate || 42||

}

 

 

Whoever reads this once, twice or thrice (in a day) revels in the domain of Shiva, bereft of all sins. (42)

 

 

shrI pushhpadanta\-mukha\-paN^kaja\-nirgatena

stotreNa kilbishha\-hareNa hara\-priyeNa |

kaNThasthitena paThitena samaahitena

suprINito bhavati bhUtapatirmaheshaH || 43||

}

 

 

This hymn which is dear to Shiva, has emerged out of the lotus-like mouth of Pushhpadanta and is capable of removing all sins. May the lord of all beings become greatly pleased with anyone who has learnt this by heart and/or reads or recalls this with single-mindedness! (43)

 

 

|| iti shrI pushhpadanta virachitaM shivamahimnaH \\

 

\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ stotraM samAptam.h ||

 

 

Thus ends the `shivamahimna hymn' composed by Pushhpadanta.

 

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

 

To me Krishna is only an avatar no matter what you quote from the Bgh. Gita.

 

 

 

well we don't read Mayavadi Gita. Thats what you've read. Where is Ksatriya Madhava? This Barney is a Muslim /images/graemlins/laugh.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

Come on get you stuff together. Chant Hare Krishna/

[barney 0]

WoW! I was not aware that you are a psychic. But I know that you are a bogus psychic. Would a Muslims praise Hinduism and promote Hinduism? Have you not read my postings condemning Muslim fanatism and the misinterpreted Hadis by mullsas? You must be joking... Just because I'm against ISKCON's way of preaching you have branded me a muslim. Now I know your attitude, anyone who vioces his displeasure against ISKCON are branded an atheist or a muslim. That's stupid and you are a fool. That's is all I can say about you and your kind.

[Guest guest]

you are criticizing the vaishnava's position to considering vishnu the supreme and shiva and devatas as subordinates, but simultaneously, saying that the ultimate reality is brahman you are blaspheming all of them

 

if the forms of siva and devatas are for you from maya's energy you are actually saying that they are illusion

 

yes you see vishnu and shiva at the same level... of non existence

 

so be careful when you say that others are not respectiful with devatas

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

Sai Barney may have millions of followers. Many may follow Mayavadi. End of the day you still Mayavadi's. What has changed? Exploiting Gita and saying I don't believe Krishna is not true. Lord Siva will not be pleased. You reject Bhagavatam, yet quote Shiva-Purana. Igonorance. You make up your own religion. Don't belong to ANY Parampara. Let me ask you WHO IS YOUR FOUNDER? You don't know. Stop being offensive and talk like a man Barney.

[Ganeshprasad 0]

Jai Ganesh

 

( `shivamahimna hymn' composed by Pushhpadanta. )

 

One of my favorite hymn thank you.

 

with all your posts you dis as good as you get but i do not agree with personal attacts, what ever you may be you certainly are not a muslim that all i wanted to say.

 

Jai Shree Krishna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You posted the greatness of krishna but it is not only krishna but even Shiva to has been praised highly by Pushhpadanta and how he has composed praising Shiva. These are all storas composed by devotees to praise God in many of his forms. As I have said earlier Krishna, yes the incarnation of Vishnu but Visnu, Shiva and Brahma are one but in three forms and to say one is supreior to the other is ignorant. It is ok for members of ISKCON to praise Krishna and bless them for their work but to condemn Shiva and Brahma by saying they are demigods i what I do not like and if they want to say such thing than I would surely oppose it.

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hi barney,

thank you for ur reply.u r rite that not only is krishna been glorified but also siva. well i dun deny that. srila vyasadeva (whom compiled the vedas & author of bhagavatam purana) wrote 18 puranas in 3 different categories which are goodness (sattvik), passion(rajas) & (ignorance)tamo. these 3 different categories fo purana does not only glorify krishna & siva but also brahma bout their supremacy. but it doesn't mean that if a person's supremacy juz been glorified therefore that person is greater than others. we shud understand that. each of them were glorified due to their respective position in the universe. but srila vyasadeva didn't conclude that all of them are one or in oneness. srila vyasadeva concluded that vishnu/krsna as the supreme God above all. if u read the bhagavatam purana (queen of all 18 puranas) it starts with the mantra 'om namo bhagavathe vasudevaya' (offering obeisances to Bhagavan vasudeva of krsna) even in Bhagavadgita Krsna/vishnu is been glorified as bhagavan. in each verse where krsna speaks He is glorified as 'sri bhagavan uvaca'. we ISKCON dun condemn the others. but we mention their actual position as servants of krsna. when we call them as demigods it doens't mean we condenming them. plz understand. in gita if uc krsna addresses all others as 'devata'. in sanskrit devata means demigods. in tamil it also called as 'thevargal'.& not as bhagavan. krsna claims only himself as bhagavan. god can be only one & he is unlimited. if u say all of them are gods therefore the literature which mentions '330 million devatas or demigods' is also wrong. y did it mention that there are 330 million of demigods? & not 330 million bhagavans? all these 330 million demigods are agents of krsna whom administers the universe. juz like the king & his government (ministers & diff departments). we can't address the king as same as His ministers. can we? coz their duty is different & also their position differs. we can't change the king. the king is always there & those born of his family are to be the next kings. but the ministers can be anyone & they switch their positions during elections. same goes to the kingdom of God. indra, brahma, kuvera & all these are positions. & they switch their positions in different kalpas. but not krishna. he is alwiz the eternal,blisful & all knowledge bhagavan. He is alwiz called as sac-cid-ananda vigrahah. vigrahah here means 'form'. He has an eternal form that's what the vedas says & not as others claims that God is formless only. the vedas says that in different millineum different brahma will born & create the universe. any one of us can be brahma if we desire so. the methods to achieve this position of creator given in the vedas & also for indra. so u can't say that brahma is same as krsna. coz brahma is jiva (living entity) whereas krsna is paramatma (supreme soul).plz understand that ISKCON or vaishnavas doesn't condemn other devatas but we are revealing the actual position of them which are servants of krsna. if we condemn the others it is a great offense for us where krsna Himself won't forgive us for these devatas His servants & also vaishnavas. in Bhagavatam lord siva is glorified as 'vaishnavam yatha sambhum'. whic means sambhu or siva is the greatest vaishnava of all. lord siva is being glorified as a vaishnava here. & Krsna also claims that Lord Siva is the greatest devotee of His among all. & we vaishnavas alwiz begs for Lord Siva's mercy so we may serve Krsna. He is our guide in our spiritual path.

 

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To me Krishna is only an avatar no matter what you quote from the Bgh. Gita. As a Hindu I cannot accept only Krishna as the supreme. To me all is one and I pay my homage to all in various ways. But if this continues than you would see my post opposing to all concept. It is a my way of showing those ignorant fools what is God all about.

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u say that u r not bothered bout whtever quotes fr Bhagavadgita. this shows only ur ignorant behaviour towards the scripture so dun blame us. if u r lending ur ears to listen u may learn if not then u may still on ur same position of being ignorant & will not learn anything. the whole sentences here proves ur ignorance only & sorry to say if u want to learn u muz get rid of it.there many confusions in Hindu system due to this believe "saying that all are god". that is why many concludes that we are polytheism & not monotheism. the Hindus themselves cudn't understand y there have to be such many gods & some begin to loose their confidence & convert to other religion. this proofs the failure of this 'mayavadam' philosophy. many movements & bogus gurus sprout out based on this 'mayavadam' philosophy & many people get fooled. there are hundreds of guru with different philosophy claiming them to be right. by practical we can see the results of it now. that is why the vedas have mentioned the authorised institutions for one to seek God from, the sampradayas. there 4 sampradayas the vedas have mentioned that a human shud seek truth from & if not they won't get the desired result. those 4 sampradayas are sri sampradaya, rudra sampradaya, brahma sampradaya & kumara sampradaya. the philosophy of all these sampradayas are the same & doesn't differ in anyway. why does the vedas have to mention bout these sampradayas in the vedas? coz many are fooled by many bogus gurus. so it has given us the guide to seek the real bonafide line of guru. we can see many movements in hindu today & all of them none is connected to this sampradaya. u may ask them. some of them have no idea bout wht is all these sampradaya is about. why sampradaya is important? coz it is a chain of spiritual masters from beginning of creation bringing the teachings fo God which is unadultered & pure. for one muz learn fr such bonafide guru from any of these sampradayas. if we investigate a little bout the different philosophers we have today we may notice that they dun belong to any sampradaya & even they have, their sampradaya may started few decades ago only or not mentioned in the vedas. plz dun conclude very fast that all others are ignorant fool for we have to learn more bout God. we muz be humble in state of mind & surrender to a bonafide guru to learn the truth from. krsna has spoken of this in Bhagavadgita. & Bhagavadgita is the nectar of all vedic scriptures. so y so hassle? juz read Bhagavadgita & u'll know why.

 

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And a for Sai Baba, let him be as what he wants to be for thou should not judge others as you would be judged by your creator if you know what I mean. Sai Baba is instilling faith and confidence in those who are in the verge of giving up on God and to say he is this and that is wrong as none of these people had any personal experienece with him but just listen to rumours alone.

If you visit the Ismalic web sites do you know how they condemn Krishna saying he is a sex pevert looking at naked wome and having 16,000 wives and so on. Surely I'm annoyed at it but what about this guys calling Sai Baba a child molester and so on, are this justified? Why do they want to say such is clearlyt known coz Sai Baba has millions of followers and ISKCON seem to be lacking that coz whatever members they had are now reducing in numbers. I'm sure you know why. Anyway, sorry for being direct and hope you would understand.

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sorry for condemning bout sai baba but we bhakti yoga followers juz dun agree with this kind of philosophy as i mentioned in my earlier thread. u r rite none of us shudn't have condemn him wether he is a child molester or that or this for we haven't seen in person what he does. so i dun wanna call him a molester or whatever. for me only Krsna knows the truth. & there r many gossips & rumors in this world in each movements. for one to believe it without any evidence is really foolishness. but for me sai baba is a yogi only as srila prabhupada claims it. even visvamitra, agastya muni & many sages has mystical powers but they dun claim themself to be God. wht we dun agree is that 'we can be god' & we dun agree that sai baba is God. coz it is against the Bhagavadgita & vedas teachings therefore we oppose it.

 

But u can't judge a movement to be genuine juz coz they have many followers. am i rite? krsna said in Bhagavadgita that out of many thousands only one will know Him as He is. & such 'mahatma sudurlabhah' which means such mahatma (great soul) is very rare. not all can understand God if everyone is rite than there will be no increase in population on earth & all are liberated souls. but why there are many increase in births. many souls being kicked way fr heaven? u think bout it. that's all from my side.

cya.

 

 

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

 

~1 we are all expansions of Krishna is one capacity or another we belong to Jiva-tattva. That is our only position unchangeable as the sea.

~2 Mahesh is special as he is neither jiva or vishnu-tattva. A jiva cannot attain this level. Unless he is empowered by Krishna is some capacity. But thats again only temporary like Lord Brahma.

 

Lord Brahma belong to category of Jiva-tattva. Empowered.

 

After all this it is not possible to say who is higher as they are all needed. But in reality there is only one Supreme above all that is Lord Vishnu. Hare Krishna

 

 

[barney 0]

Dear sanatana,

 

Where I come from all dieties of Hinduism are respected and visited and all Hindu festivals are celebrated by all irrespective of Vaishnavas or Shivaits. I'm surprised that people in other parts of the world have so much indifferences and misunderstanings about their own religion. For your info we only address the nine grahas as "theva" Suria Deva, Chandra Deva and so on. We do not address Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Ganesha or Murugan as "thevar' coz we know their power one and the same whereas you have catagorized all others except Krishna as demigods and that I cannot agree no matter what you Guru or the scripturers[Gita]says. I do not want to be direspectful but it is what I feel. To me it is all the same as I get the same feelings when i meditate upon any one of them. I do not feel any less in either of them. So, to me it makes no difference as all are equal in status as the other. Anyway, you carry on with what you believe in and that is your right and choice. I have mine and my ways which I feel more comfortable and if that is blasphemy so be it for it is my duty to answer if the so called creator confronts me. I do not fear God, to me God is like my mother and as a child I make my demands and as a mother SHE has to comply. That is the bond between mother and child whereas I see you and others showing fear and superficial love for God. Anyway, I did not meant to commit all members of ISKCON but only some. May the Almighty guide your in all your actions.

[Guest guest]

I am not like the other Vaishnavas here, and I am certainly not going to attack you. But Siva is a lesser god. Try to understand why. According to Hindu Tatva, nothing exists outside consciousness, but there are many levels. The highest, the supreme consciousness, is Visnu. The other levels are lower than Visnu, and they are plenty in number, siva being one of them. It is as simple as that.

 

And if you argue that why can't Siva be the highest, and that visnu and siva are just words, wrong again. That might be true of material planes. For instance, like Juliet says in Romeo and Juliet, "You can call the flower by any name, but it would smell just the same." That is very true on this plane ONLY, but NOT on the spiritual or transcendental plane where name and form are inseperable. So siva is not just a name but the form, one of the aspects of the divine. In like manner, Visnu is not just the name but the form, the personality, the primary cause or what you will. On higher levels of consciousness, every name is important, it has a specific purpose, it denotes something specific, it represents a certain quality and so on. That is why a mantra has to be pronounced in a certain way, because every name has a special meaning, and without it, the form is not. It is only from the name that form originates, which is clearly understood by the symbol OM, the primal sound.

 

Therefore, Visnu represents the supreme consciousness, what many call God, God with a big G. Siva, brahma etc. are also gods, but gods with a small g, because they exist on the lower plane. If you don't like the word god, you can call the highest as Visnu and others as devas and devis. No problem, in fact, that's the right thing to do. God is a semitic term, NOT vedic, so let's stick to vedic terms for better understanding. Hope this has helped.

[Guest guest]

Where I come from all dieties of Hinduism are respected and visited and all Hindu festivals are celebrated by all irrespective of Vaishnavas or Shivaits. I'm surprised that people in other parts of the world have so much indifferences and misunderstanings about their own religion. For your info we only address the nine grahas as "theva" Suria Deva, Chandra Deva and so on. We do not address Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Ganesha or Murugan as "thevar' coz we know their power one and the same whereas you have catagorized all others except Krishna as demigods and that I cannot agree no matter what you Guru or the scripturers[Gita]says.

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Can u tell me why do we refer to all other gods such as ganapathi > ganapathi peruman, or vinayaga > vinayaga peruman, sivan > siva peruman, murugan > muruga peruman, & only vishnu as perumal? u note the difference in addressing them as peruman & perumal ? u may go & find out why so from a tamil scholar but i suspect wether they will admit or not.

1. peruman are used for lesser gods or devatas & perumal is used only for vishnu or any of his incarnations whom is the Supreme God. this proves acceptance of krsna/vishnu as supreme God in tamil language.

2. these devatas are also referred as 'theivam' or 'theivangal' in plural. but the word 'kadavul' or 'aandavan' denotes that there is only one God in tamil language. u can't use aandavangal or kadavulgal for it is a wrong usage of this word. so this proves the acceptance of one God in Tamil language. if u say all forms (like ganesh, vishnu, siva & etc) are equal then there won't be existence of these words in tamil language.

3. sankaracaryar's philosophy (advaita) is for those whom abandoned the teachings of veda that time. remember buddhism was sweeping india & vedic teachings was being abandoned coz many converted to buddhism. sri lanka is a good example of a buddhist conquered country. so to reinstate the vedas sankaracaryar need to teach the advaita philosophy which is partial true only. another purpose of this advaita philosophy is to mislead the atheists. b4 the teachings of sankaracaryar everyone worships laksmi narayana or radha krsna or sita ram as the supreme God since beginning or creation. take note of this plz. Sankaracaryar has said in the following verse:-

 

ekam sastram devaki-putra-gitam

eko devo devaki-putra eva

eko mantras tasya namani yani

karmapy ekam tasya devasya seva

Let there be one scripture only, one common scripture for the whole world – BhagavadGita. Let there be one God for the whole world – Bhagavan Sri Krsna, son of Devaki. Let there be only one mantra, one hymn – that is chanting of His Names : Hare Krsna Hare Krsna , Krsna Krsna Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama , Rama Rama Hare Hare. Let there be only one work for the whole world that is the service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

 

So do u wanna deny these words of Sankaracaryar? why shud Sankara say that read only Gita,pray to Krsna only, chant His names only & do the work for Him only? we vaishnavas dun go against His teachings but are following it. plz think bout those whom going against it like u. U can't deny Vishnu/Krsna as Supreme coz Sankaracaryar himself claims it. & the 'oneness' philosophy u claim now is created by sankaracaryar himself. If u want to still follow the same philosophy then u r not thinking or u r purposely being ignorant or egoistic. i meant u purposely dun wanna listen. dun juz claim that only u r rite coz, we've blunt senses & we're not perfect. u muz listen fr a bonafide guru & the vedas. dun tell me u got to know all bout this world, ur work, & etc fr ur own. u sure have to seek knowledge from someone since small. no one gets it by own. how do we know who is our father? our mother teaches us that. so we listen to her & did we argue that she is wrong? no. none did so. even in the school we accept the teachings of teacher blindly assuming she is right. so the vedas are like our mother who teaches us whom is the father which is Krsna/vishnu. & we muz surrender to a bona fide guru to learn further. i've posted earlier on finding a bonafide guru.

 

Sankara sings a wonderful poem asking everyone to surrender to Govinda :-

 

TEXT 1

bhajagovindam bhajagovindam

govindam bhajamuudhamate

sampraapte sannihite kaale

nahi nahi rakshati dukrijnkarane

Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda, Worship Govinda. Oh fool! Rules of Grammar will not save you at the time of your death.

 

why does sankara calls others as fools? & why he says that others rule of grammar won't save us. it is coz the misinterpretations in words jugglery of vedas by others, sankaracaryar meant. Further more He sings:-

 

TEXT 18

kurute gangaasaagaragamanam

vrataparipaalanamathavaa daanam

gyaanavihinah sarvamatena

muktim na bhajati janmashatena

One may go to the Ganga, observe fasts, and give away riches in charity! Yet, devoid of jnana, nothing can give mukthi even at the end of a hundred births.

 

TEXT 21

bhagavad giitaa kijnchidadhiitaa

gangaa jalalava kanikaapiitaa

sakridapi yena muraari samarchaa

kriyate tasya yamena na charchaa

Let a man read but a little from the Gita, drink just a drop of water from the Ganga, worship Murari(Krsna) just once. He then will have no altercation with Yama(lord of death).

 

TEXT 22

punarapi jananam punarapi maranam

punarapi jananii jathare shayanam

iha samsaare bahudustaare

kripayaa apaare paahi muraare

Born again, death again, birth again to stay in the mother's womb ! It is indeed hard to cross this boundless ocean of samsara. Oh Murari ! Redeem me through Thy mercy.

 

TEXT 25

tvayi mayi chaanyatraiko vishhnuh

vyartham kupyasi mayyasahishhnuh

bhava samachittah sarvatra tvam

vaajnchhasyachiraadyadi vishhnutvam

In me, in you and in everything, none but the same Vishnu dwells. Your anger and impatience is meaningless. If you wish to attain the quality of Vishnu soon, have Sama Bhaava always.

 

TEXT 28

geyam giitaa naama sahasram

dhyeyam shriipati ruupamajasram

neyam sajjana sange chittam

deyam diinajanaaya cha vittam

Regularly recite from the Gita, meditate on Vishnu in your heart, and chant His thousand glories. Take delight to be with the noble and the holy. Distribute your wealth in charity to the poor and the needy.

 

TEXT 34

bhajagovindam bhajagovindam

govindam bhajamuudhamate

naamasmaranaadanyamupaayam

nahi pashyaamo bhavatarane

Worship Govinda, worship Govinda, worship Govinda, Oh fool! Other than chanting the Lord's names, there is no other way to cross the life's ocean.

 

The hidden reason for Lord Siva, the greatest Vaishnava, to propound the path of mayavada, is revealed by him in the Padma Purana, to his wife Parvati Devi:

 

mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham ucyate mayaiva kalpitam devikalau brahmana-rupina brahmanas caparam rupam nirgunam vaksyate maya sarva-svam jagato 'py asya mohanartham kalau yuge vedante tu maha-sastre

mayavadam avaidikam/mayaiva vaksyate devi jagatam nasa-karanat

"The mayavada philosophy is impious. It is covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in the form of a brahmana in the Kali yuga I teach the imagined mayavada philosophy. In order to cheat the atheists, I describe the Supreme Personality of Godhead to be without form and without qualities. Similarly, in explaining the Vedanta I describe the same mayavada philosophy in order to mislead the entire population toward atheism by denying the personal form of the Lord."

 

Thus it was to bewilder the atheists that Lord Siva in the form of Sankaracarya preached impersonalism. However under the guise of this impersonalism he was able to reverse the atheistic Buddhist philosophy, re-introduce the Vedas and cultivate the faith of people towards God. Without the effort of Sankaracarya it would have been impossible for

the later Vaishnava acaryas like Madhavacarya, Ramanujacarya and Nimbarkacarya to once again introduce bhakti yoga, the worship of the Supreme Lord in His personal form. So all is Krishna's lila. For those whom doesn't wish to accept even after reading Sankaracaryar & Lord Siva's claims they are the number one fools as Sankara addresses in his poem. The impersonalism of mayavadam philosophy as others claim to be true is being checked here with respected verses by Lord Siva & Sankaracaryar here. I would like to thank u for giving me this opportunity.

 

All glories to Sankaracaryar whom is an incarnation of Mahadeva/Sambhu/Siva whom is the greatest devotee & vaishnava of Murari. For He came down to mislead the fools from touching the vedas & completed His mission as instructed by Krsna.

All glories to Sankara!

All glories to Mahadeva!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

All glories to our sweet lord Khanna!

 

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[maadhav 0]

some times i do not like what barney posts.

 

he would need to take a few births before he understnads krishna. here he clearly goes above krishna. not a chacateristic of a hindu, unless he is totally ignorant or rude.

 

aham aadir hi devaanaam.. says krishna.

 

name viduh sUragaNaa..He says.

 

sure then, some like barney would not know krishna.

 

[barney 0]

It is like being a PM of a country with multi racial and multi religious population and to satisfy all quaters the PM has to send the message in different level. Yes, that is what Adhi Shankara did and this is the result. To avoid the conflict between the Vaishnavas and Shivaits he had to speak in riddle and people of the period being fanatics believd so and so are people till this very day. I'm surprised at your explanation and the others. Yes, in praise of Govinda where the majority of followers were but what about where the majority were Shivaits did you read his praise for Shiva? You may be knowledgable in the vedas and upanishads but your understand of them is limited. Tell me why Parasakthi is addressed as "Athi Parasakthi"? And do you know what is "Para"? And tell me what is "Athi Moolam"? As a learned person please explain what is "Athi Moolam" and who is addressed as so?. I know you are a Vaishnava and it is your duty to say what has been thought to you. As I have said krishna is the avatar of Maha Vishna of which I have no doubts but to me Krishana is another form of the Supreme Brahman. Why only read Padma Purana why not Shiva or Sakthi? Are these not part of the Hindus scriptures and what about Kandha Purana it is also part of Hindu samayam. I'm not obstinate as you may think but I have a wider perspective of looking at the Hindu religion [saiva Sidhatham].

 

As I have said earlier you believe what you feel is right in your mind but do not drag me inot your world. I'm better of in my world and more at peace. Have a nice day.

[barney 0]

Is being sarcastic your trade? Oh! yes, I can understand as Srila Prabhupada too is and so would his followers. Keep it up and your deeds are recorded above if that is what you believe as to be. Is saying Krishna is an avatar wrong in Hinduism? I do not think so and you know it. Truth is my religion and to deliver the truth to ignorant people like you is my duty. Either you accept it or not is left to you coz the end will come and you are answerable, not me. So, case closed.

[Max 0]

Hey barney I just wanted to comment on a couple things that you stated your views on. First off I don't see the Hindu trinity like you do. I believe Vishnu is the Supreme God and Krishna being an avatara of Vishnu Krishna is also the one God. I'm sorry that you don't believe Lord Krishna's Holy words in the Bhagavad-Gita, but I for one do believe His words in the Gita. He states that He is eternal and always being everything, yet being always unborn. Giving Himself births to restore religion yet always remembering His births, something we as humans can't do. I see the demigods as high humans who are great devotees of Lord Krishna, we should be like them in that way, not try to BE them or even worse worship them as the one God. The other thing that I wanted to comment on was that you said followers of Krishna are getting fewer. That may seem to be the case, but for everyone who leaves a temple to practice at home, or even abandons Krishna(I pray for them) there is another person who is finding Krishna. I'm 18 and I found Krishna not very long ago, so I'm a living example of this.

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".....but for everyone who leaves a temple to practice at home..."

 

he is actually finding the true krsna consciousness,

 

in the gita arjuna does not go to the temple to became krsna conscious, he go on doing his job but thinking of krsna

 

so the fact that gaudya vaishnavism, as a whole, is less "temple centered" is a huge advancement

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Be a good devotee of Krishan and not be a hypocrate. Gita can be interpreted in many ways and so are other scriptures. The Supreme Being has thousands and eight names and so does his avatars or manifestations. If he is around you I'm sure you would not be able to reconize him coz the picture of Krishna is fixed in your mind and you would think that his appereance must be the same. That is not your mistake but your guru and I do not blame you for your ignorance. Take care and have a nice day.

[barney 0]

You would not understand me coz you are not a mind reader. Anyway, by birth depands on my karma and not weather I understand Krishna or not is imaterial. All Hindus know who Krishna is from reading the Gita but you should know who the Author of Gita was and what was his motive is such a story. Not that I'm doubting his credibility but there is always room for questioning and authentication of the Gita and its author as you are questioning he credibility of Sai Baba. Anyway Sai Baba is here while Vyasa is not around and as the saying goes "dead man tells no tails". In today's world even history books past centuries are bing rewritten after careful review what about text written a few thousand years. Surely one has the right to question its authenticity? Taking eveything for granted is not my policy and I need not have take your word as solemn truth just because you are an expert in the scriptures. Be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity or Jewism, all religion has its flaws and do not say ours has none. Since your statmnet here is in question. I would have bowed out is you did not say Krishna is the Supreme God. In Hinduism the vedas clearly says all there are equal in status as each has a part to play and all there has to be respected in equal but when the followers of Krishna claim such I would surely object and say my piece. So, try not to undestand me please.

[Pankaja_Dasa 1]

 

 

You have material desire, higher than any desire can be {material}

 

My desire is higher than yours even. But it is trancendental desire {spiritual}.

 

For example you want to merge with God as you believe you were once God, and now have come here. You also believe everybody is God and should merge. This is your vedict of Vedas. So we give you name which is called Mayavadi.

 

This was rampant in India at one time. And Srila Madhvacharya of *Brahma **Madhava ***Gaudiya Sampradaya.

 

*Brahma

**Madvacharya {incarnation of servant of Lord Rama}

***Chaitanya {Sri Krishna as His own devotee}

 

Basically talked on this subject matter. {my goal is not to defeat you, who am I?}. But to provide infomation which is handed down through Sampradaya. {of which there are 4}. As you well know. I do not know what your motive is. And I do not very much care. But DO NOT offend Krishna or our Archaryas. This forum is for all. Discuss in open manner. I hope thats why you come here to gain knowledge and not just paste stuff. We don't goto school to parrot we goto learn.

 

So admit what you are to all. Don't hide behind the Vedas.

 

Awaiting your reply without sastra/

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It is like being a PM of a country with multi racial and multi religious population and to satisfy all quaters the PM has to send the message in different level. Yes, that is what Adhi Shankara did and this is the result. To avoid the conflict between the Vaishnavas and Shivaits he had to speak in riddle and people of the period being fanatics believd so and so are people till this very day. I'm surprised at your explanation and the others.

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Don't you come with your own kind of speculations. plz for god sake plz again. Where in the vedas did it said that Sankara came down to satisfy everyone? This is your speculation. This proves that you dun read anything but simply speculating about things here. So your way can't be wrong since you are just speculator. Like a blind man leads another blind man. People like you mislead others. Coz of ur speculations. I have given clear quotes by Sankara & Lord Siva above but i'm really surprised that you still being ignorant. That means you didn't read it & didn't want to lend your mind or ears to hear & think. So how are we suppose to come in conclusions for people like you are not cooperating in anyways. But being stubborn & think that only you are right. This is the problem one faces when they don't have a bonafide guru to explain what the veda teaches & history of all these philosophies taught by Buddhist, Sankara, Rajamunacaryar, Madhvacaryar & Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Sanskrit words has more than 12 meanings for one word. People may interpret it as they like the meaning it to be. People like this won't learn anything unless they change their attitude. This is for sure. Krsna has said in Bhagavadgita:-

 

4.34

tad viddhi pranipatena

pariprasnena sevaya

upadeksyanti te jnanam

jnaninas tattva-darsinah

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.

 

4.35

yaj jnatva na punar moham

evam yasyasi pandava

yena bhutany asesani

draksyasy atmany atho mayi

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other words, that they are Mine.

 

4.40

ajnas casraddadhanas ca

samsayatma vinasyati

nayam loko 'sti na paro

na sukham samsayatmanah

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.

 

Lord Krsna has given his answers above fr BhagavadGita for people such as yourself.

 

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Yes, in praise of Govinda where the majority of followers were but what about where the majority were Shivaits did you read his praise for Shiva? You may be knowledgable in the vedas and upanishads but your understand of them is limited.

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The great poem 'Bhaja Govindam' by Sankaracaryar was given by him after looking at those around him accepting the philosophy he teaches blindly. He asked his own disciples to surrender to Govinda but none did. Have you ever read Sankara's biography? If you have read then you know why he came with this poem. But you didn't read it & blaming that others are limited by their knowledge as if your knowledge is limited. This one point which you don't know about the poem 'Bhaje Govindam' proves that you are talking blindly & all your words got no support from the vedic scriptures.

 

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Tell me why Parasakthi is addressed as "Athi Parasakthi"? And do you know what is "Para"? And tell me what is "Athi Moolam"? As a learned person please explain what is "Athi Moolam" and who is addressed as so?.

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Dun watch too much movies Barney. The movie 'Aathi Parasakthi' has been edited from the original story quoted from Purana. If you have read it then you wud know. What happened to those questions I gave you? Have you find it out? How clever that you wanna run away from my questions? This proves you have no answer & you can't answer my questions. Clever move of yourself by re-questioning me. No where in scriptures you may find as what you are claiming so. Plz state quotes from the scriptures which supports your statement like i do. Don't talk blindly. Durga is known as vaishnavi (devotee of Vishnu). Below is a verse for ur info:-

 

Brahma Samhita 5.44

srsti-sthiti-pralaya-sadhana-saktir eka

chayeva yasya bhuvanani bibharti durga

icchanurupam api yasya ca cestate sa

govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami

The external potency Maya who is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency, is worshiped by all people as Durga, the creating, preserving and destroying agency of this mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in accordance with whose will Durga conducts herself.

 

In the Brihat-sahasra-nama-stotra, Goddess Durga affirms:-

 

aho sarvesvaro visnuh

sarva-devottamottamah

jagad-adi-gurur mudhaih

samanya iva viksyate

"Lord Visnu is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the demigods, the first spiritual master of the universe. Only fools think the demigods are His equals."

 

yam uddisya sada natho

maheso 'pi dig-ambarah

jata-bhasmanuliptangas

tapasvi viksate janaih

"It is to attain Lord Visnu that the demigod Siva performs austerities, his hair matted and his naked body covered with ashes. That is why the people see Lord Siva in that way."

 

 

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Why only read Padma Purana why not Shiva or Sakthi? Are these not part of the Hindus scriptures and what about Kandha Purana it is also part of Hindu samayam.

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We also have quotes from Shiva Purana & Skandha Purana. Who told you we dun? Can you plz answer me? Who told you so again ? You are speculating again, am i rite? Talk based on your knowledge & dun simply pour your words for you are losing your points to support your statement. For yourself i'll quote verses from Siva & Skandha Purana below :-

 

Skanda Purana :-

madhuram madhuram ethan mangalam mangalam

sakala-nigamavallu sat aubalam ath svarupam

sakrthapi parikitham sharatthaya helaya va

prukuvara naramatram tharayet krishna nama

The holy names of Supreme Lord Sri Krsna is the sweetest among the sweets. It is the brightest light among the brightest. If one who chants it even without concentration or with offense, it'll also still benefit the whole human comunity liberating from the cluthces of illusion called 'Maya'.

 

Agni Purana

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare

rathanthi halaya vabi the krtartha na samshayaha

Translation:-

Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare - if one chants this transcendental holy names without unknowingly, they'll attain the supreme pleasure in their life. There is no doubt in this.

 

Further in Skanda Purana:-

 

aparam tv aksaram ya sa

prakrtir jada-rupika

srih para prakrtih prokta

cetana visnu-samsraya

tam aksaram param prahuh

paratah param aksaram

harir evakhila-guno 'py

aksara-trayam iritam

"The inferior infallible entity is that nature who manifests as the material world. The goddess of fortune, on the other hand, is known as the superior nature. She is pure consciousness and is under the direct shelter of Lord Visnu. While she is said to be the superior infallible entity, that infallible entity who is greater than the greatest is Lord Hari Himself, the original possessor of all transcendental qualities. In this way, three distinct infallible entities are described."

 

In the Skanda Purana, Lord Siva explains:

 

"The wise know that chanting mantras is equal to ten million Vedi studies, yajnas are equal to ten million mantra-chantings, and songs glorifying Lord Visnu are equal to ten million yajnas."

 

In another verse of the Skanda Purana, Lord Siva tells Uma:

"O beautiful one, even if it is performed without the proper mantras or the proper actions, a person who offers arati to Lord Krishna attains all perfection.

 

In the Skanda Purana, in a conversation of Sri Siva and Sri Uma, it is said:

"A person who, His head and knees touching the ground, bows down before Lord Krishna, the master of the demigods, attains the result of an asvamedha-yajna."

 

In the Skanda Purana, Lord Siva explains:

"Even a sinner who has committed ten thousand murders will become purified by touching the Lord's conchshell-water or the water that has washed the Lord Sri Krishna's feet. Of this there is no doubt."

 

In Siva Purana Parvati Devi questions Lord Siva "Which worship is best?"

So Lord Siva replied:-

aradhananam sarvesam visnor aradhanam param:

tasmat parataram devi tadiyanam samarcanam

"My dear Parvati, of all methods of worship, Visnu worship is the topmost.My dear Devi, better than that Visnu worship is to worship His devotee or things in relationship with Him."

 

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I'm not obstinate as you may think but I have a wider perspective of looking at the Hindu religion [saiva Sidhatham].

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You mentioned 'Saiva Siddhantam'. If you really know what 'saiva siddhantam' says you wud think twice wether you are right about 'oneness' or 'everyone being God'. Even in 'saiva Siddhantam' oneness is never accepted. 'saiva siddhantam' accepts only Lord Siva as God but all others as demigods. Do you know bout that ? But you claim that you accept all as one. So doesn't it contradicts? This proves the lack of knowledge even of your own saiva siddhanta. You are not even well verse of your own saiva siddhanta, then what speaking bout other philosophies, you wud sure have no clue bout it. Am i rite ? So think more than not twice but ten times before you posts any more messages bluntly.

 

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As I have said earlier you believe what you feel is right in your mind but do not drag me inot your world. I'm better of in my world and more at peace. Have a nice day.

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Frogs also stay comfortably in the well & thinks the well as its only WORLD. But the frog doesn't know about the existence of a bigger world outside the well.

We can see clearly that you can't provide any proper quotes from sastra to defend your philosophy & being ignorant. Talk with points & evidence if not admit that your are wrong or keep quiet. Don't post something which you are not even sure & waste our time here. You are juz losing your respect for yourself by doing so.

 

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Is being sarcastic your trade? Oh! yes, I can understand as Srila Prabhupada too is and so would his followers. --------------------------

hey moron!

i dun wish to invoke any argument but it is too much for u to offend our spiritual master. have i done so to u? you are not even a guru or a saint but you dare to condemn sadhus! those who offend sadhus never reaches the supreme destination. if you know this then you wouldn't have done so! remember the LORD may bear with any offenses to Him but not to His devotees. Now i can see your real self. A good devotee of the lord won't speak like you or loose patience like you. This only proves that you are pointless & your anger is raging.

[Guest guest]

Be a good devotee of Krishan and not be a hypocrate. Gita can be interpreted in many ways and so are other scriptures. The Supreme Being has thousands and eight names and so does his avatars or manifestations. If he is around you I'm sure you would not be able to reconize him coz the picture of Krishna is fixed in your mind and you would think that his appereance must be the same. That is not your mistake but your guru and I do not blame you for your ignorance. Take care and have a nice day.

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You dun even belong to a bonafide sampradaya as mentioned in the vedas. You don;t even have a clue what is sampradaya means & it importance. You don't even have a bonafide guru to learn properly from. You read blindly & accept everything blindly with speculations. You are not even a guru/saint/sadhu/ or anything. So you got no right to blame other sadhus to be wrong. Your tounge will get severe if you do so in offending the devotees of the Lord.

I feel disgust for having associating a person like you. Aren't you ashame of yourself for being so? If your answer is 'NO' you are right then. Coz only humans have shame but not animals. If you wanna chastise others first you become a proper bonafide guru & chastise others & not like this. It show only your anger & false egoism in yourself. You should be ashame of your behaviour. Sorry but I couldn't stand you offending the guru.

 

[barney 0]

Your interpretation:

I have given clear quotes by Sankara & Lord Siva above but i'm really surprised that you still being ignorant. So how are we suppose to come in conclusions for people like you are not cooperating in anyways. But being stubborn & think that only you are right. This is the problem one faces when they don't have a bonafide guru to explain what the veda teaches & history of all these philosophies taught by Buddhist, Sankara, Rajamunacaryar, Madhvacaryar & Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Sanskrit words has more than 12 meanings for one word. People may interpret it as they like the meaning it to be. People like this won't learn anything unless they change their attitude. This is for sure. Krsna has said in Bhagavadgita:-

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The above is your own statement and I hope you stand by it. Whose interpretation are the quotes and whose authority authenticated them? Why should I accept such when you refuse to accept what I believe in? Cooperation and understanding comes only when both parties agree to each other’s belief and not just one side. Are you telling me that only your guru is bona fide while the others are all bogus? You are a self conceited bias person.

 

Your understanding:

 

4.34

tad viddhi pranipatena

pariprasnena sevaya

upadeksyanti te jnanam

jnaninas tattva-darsinah

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.

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Can you really understand the above? It clearly states that a self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth. Self-realized and not one who had learned from a guru is what it says. May be your guru misinterpreted the above stanzas. Tell me who was Shankara’s Guru? But than again a Gurur can be bias too and a student being so devoted to a Guru would only accept the guru’s word while all others would seem meaningless to him. And may be you come under that category

Your understanding:

4.35

yaj jnatva na punar moham

evam yasyasi pandava

yena bhutany asesani

draksyasy atmany atho mayi

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other words, that they are Mine.

 

Again you quote from the above but yet you fail to understand it’s meaning. Anybody can quote from any scripture but can one really understand it’s meaning? I guess not. When it clearly says all living beings are part of the supreme surely we can be him if we really want to. Compassion, Loving, Unbiased, without malice are all qualities of God and if a man has all these qualities he would be considered God and that is why I say we are God’s but fail to realize it as we are always committed to sins in our lives. Well, but how would you know this as you are a sinner by nature and that is why you feel you cannot be God. So, I don’t blame you or your guru because both of you are being ignorant of this facts.

Your understanding:

 

4.40

ajnas casraddadhanas ca

samsayatma vinasyati

nayam loko 'sti na paro

na sukham samsayatmanah

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.

 

Yes, the above can fit you well as you are in doubt and not me.

 

Your interpretation:

The great poem 'Bhaja Govindam' by Sankaracaryar was given by him after looking at those around him accepting the philosophy he teaches blindly. He asked his own disciples to surrender to Govinda but none did. Have you ever read Sankara's biography? If you have read then you know why he came with this poem. But you didn't read it & blaming that others are limited by their knowledge as if your knowledge is limited. This one point which you don't know about the poem 'Bhaje Govindam' proves that you are talking blindly & all your words got no support from the vedic scriptures.

 

You have taken the above out of context. Why don’t you read all his preaching? It’s you who should learn his whole quatrain and not just here and there. I understand as you only wanted to know what you expect to read and that is why you only quote what favours you.

 

 

Your interpretation:

Dun watch too much movies Barney. The movie 'Aathi Parasakthi' has been edited from the original story quoted from Purana. If you have read it then you wud know. What happened to those questions I gave you? Have you find it out? How clever that you wanna run away from my questions? This proves you have no answer & you can't answer my questions. Clever move of yourself by re-questioning me. No where in scriptures you may find as what you are claiming so. Plz state quotes from the scriptures which supports your statement like i do. Don't talk blindly. Durga is known as vaishnavi (devotee of Vishnu). Below is a verse for ur info:-

 

As I have said above quoting form scriptures does not make one a divine person or a master but learning from life’s experience and knowing thyself would make one realize the wisdom of birth and death and it’s purpose. But how could you know this for you are an ignorant soul depending one your guru’s advice at all level.

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Your interpretation:

 

"Lord Visnu is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the demigods, the first spiritual master of the universe. Only fools

think the demigods are His equals."

 

 

For the above why don’t you refer back to stanza 4.35 or is it that you do not understand what it means. You are very good at applying quotes but fail to understand them and I know why. I think I would have to come to your level to discuss further and that would mean I have to be as ignorant as you. So, I’d rather end here.

 

[Guest guest]

 

Can you really understand the above? It clearly states that a self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth. Self-realized and not one who had learned from a guru is what it says.

 

 

This is an egregious mistranslation of a very commonly quoted shloka.

 

The shloka specifically says that the tattva-darshis can reveal the truth; it does not say that they did not learn from gurus.

 

It amazes me the extremely dishonest tactics the Baba followers will use.

 

 

May be your guru misinterpreted the above stanzas. Tell me who was Shankara’s Guru?

 

 

According to the paramparA verses from Shankara's tradition:

 

nArAyaNam. padmabhuvam. vasishTham. Saktim. ca tatputra parASaram. ca

vyAsam. Sukam. gauDapadam. mahAntam. govindayogIndram athAsya Sishyam. |

SrI Sam.karAcAryam athAsya padmapAdam. ca hastAmalakam. ca Sishyam.

tam. toTakam. vArttikakAramanyAn asmad gurUn santatamAnatosmi ||

sadASiva samArambhAm. SankarAcArya madhyamAm.

asmadAcArya paryantAm. vande guru paramparAm. ||

 

This says it all - GovindAcArya was Shankara's guru, and his guru (Shankara's guru's guru) was GauDapAda.

 

Only one completely ignorant of Advaita and its history would argue that Shankara had no guru. However, since Pedophile Baba's followers of ignorant of just about everything, there is no surprise.

 

 

Again you quote from the above but yet you fail to understand it’s meaning. Anybody can quote from any scripture but can one really understand it’s meaning? I guess not.

 

 

You guess incorrectly. One can understand the meaning when one has studied under the feet of an authentic guru. On the other hand, when one studies under a pedophile, the meaning of even straighforward statements remains as inscrutable as ever.

 

By the way, we are still awaiting your response on the many shruti passages quoted to date establishing the supremacy of Vishnu. As I recall, you either ignored those references and/or disappeared, only to reappear later with a new tactic - just ignore Vedas altogether.

 

I guess the bottom line is that you need to find a scripture that is as confused as you are, and then harp on it as a stainless vault of spotless truths. Unfortunately, you have been unable to misuse the Vedas, the Upanishads, or the Bhagavad-gita to date. Perhaps you should choose a new religion altogether. Hinduism does not seem to be working out for you.

 

p.s. Give Pedophile Baba my regards

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Barney . again and again u r proving that u r a really fool. Either stop reading this site or use ur brain properly. Infact u should not interpret BHAGAVAD GITA as u like. If u do , u r an ass.