Veda's word to fight terrorism

[maadhav 0]

 

udyadindro mahate daanavaaya vadharyamishhTa saho apratItam.

yadim vajrasya prabhR^itau dadaabha vishvasya jantoradham chakaara ..## Rg. 5.32.7##

 

"When resplendent self uplifts irretible will-power against the mighty devil, and when he subdues him with his bolt of determination, he makes him lowest of all living creatures." Rg. 5.32.7

 

This also says:

 

When resplendent self (the civilized nations) uplifts irretible will-power against the mighty devil (teh barbaric ideology that casuses terrorism), and when he (teh civilized) subdues him (the terrorists and their mullas) with his bolt of determination, he (teh civilized) makes him (the barbaric ideology and their followers ) lowest of all living creatures.

 

i like bush for his determinaton to fight terrorism,

and his efforts to unite all the nation for the fight.

this is such a fight that to withdraw from it is to loose the war and suffer tritple terrorism for ever.

 

 

[Guest guest]

religion is to follow scriptures, not to make them follow us

[Guest guest]

Maadhav,

I was wondering from which edition on the Vedas did you get these quotes and commentary from? Who did the translation? Also the word devil isn't a Hindu word but is semetic, so I suppose they should use a different word for devil.

[maadhav 0]

the translation is by swami satya prakash sarasvati,

veda prathshthan, new dehli.

 

yes, i agree, but as i know him through is writing,

he is not anti-vedic or one who would follow the anti hindu xians. he has exposed the anti vedic western indologists.

 

 

[Guest guest]

"the translation is by swami satya prakash sarasvati,

veda prathshthan, new dehli.

 

It's funny you mentioned that version, I was just checking it out on the page below.

http://www.vedicbooks.com/cgi-bin/S-Mart/smart.cgi?command=listitems&type=group&pos=0&group=english1

 

I was looking for a decent English translation of the Vedas, all of the time I come across Arya Samaj and Sri Aurobindo.

 

So it's an Arya Samaj version. It seems that Arya Samaj and Sri Aurobindo ashram are at the forefront of promoting the Vedas.

 

Do you have all 13 vols? How do you find them? Are they easier to understand than Sri Aurobindo's?

[maadhav 0]

contact

nataraj@erols.com

to get the vedas.

 

Arya samajis study the vedas only.

 

[Guest guest]

"Arya samajis study the vedas only."

 

I've always thought that to find what the original view of Hinduism from the great Rishis was to go back to the Vedas. I'm glad there is a group within Hinduism that are based solely on the Vedas and not sectarian traditions.

 

Do you know if the Arya Samajists are Dvaitists, Vishitadvaitists or Advaitists? I'd like to know their views on God, Soul and Matter and how they're related.

 

I think Aurobindo is eiter Advaitist or Vishitadvaitist.

[maadhav 0]

please pick a user name.

then i know with whom i am talking,

and would galdly talk.

 

 

[barney 0]

Life of Swami Dayanada

 

 

 

 

There are many stories that reveal the greatness of Swami Dayanada. One such story of his greatest is retold below:

 

Swami Dayananda was a tiger of Truth--he was never one to cower before the insolent might. That doesn't mean that he would recklessly put himself in harm's way, but neither would he hesitate to speak the truth to save others from harming themselves (through ignorance or manipulation). At the behest of his Guru (Swami Virjananda) he traveled all over India, sharing his wisdom with all, and guiding those who would listen to him. In the end, he was poisoned by a cook who had been misguided (through creed) by those whose special selfish interests were threatened by Swamiji's clarity and candor. The story goes like this. . . . .

 

India under the British Raj had degenerated into a hodgepodge of small empires , all too often ruled by selfish Maharajas who had acquiesced to British rule (as a result of bribery or other manipulation). Even the Rajputs (who were known for their fierce patriotism) had fallen into self-degradation. Swamiji wanted to awaken these Maharajas to enlist their support and influence in freeing India from foreign rule and self-deception.

 

Swamiji was invited by the Maharaja of Jodhpur, Rajasthan, to stay in his palace as an honored guest. The Maharaja respected Swamiji very much and was eager to receive his counsel. But, unfortunately, it seems the Maharaja did not respect himself--he had endeared himself to a low-character woman who entertained the Maharaja with her lewd dancing and female wiles. Swamiji happened upon them one day as they were selfishly engrossed in each other, and boldly reprimanded the Maharaja as thus:

 

"Oh King, what is this I see? A lion in the company of a she-dog?! This is unbefitting of an Arya. Your duty is like that of a father to his children. Your people look up to you for protection and guidance. But you are keeping the company of a street bitch and bringing defame to your name, your family, and the human race. Throw away your selfish and degrading habits! Awaken from the coma of ignorance and hearken to the call of your soul! You are Arya Putra, a son of God--be true to your name and stand on your own two feet like a man of God! Stop making excuses for your selfish habits and leave these crutches of your ego! You are not a four-legged animal--then why do you cuddle at the feet of this fallen mother, like a little puppy dog? Utishtha! Arise and be true to your nature--follow your Dharma like your forefathers; polish and preserve your character and become a shining gem in the crown of the Almighty."

 

The Maharaja realized his folly and felt much ashamed, and broke off all contact with this woman. As the saying goes, "There is no fury like a woman spurned." This vile person (who was a well-known high-class prostitute of the day) was extremely vexed. It is said that the British rulers of that area got word of this and used it to their advantage: they plotted with her to murder Swami Dayanada by giving her money to bribe the Maharaja's cook to poison Swamiji.

 

The cook, persuaded by greed and manipulation, carried out the wicked task entrusted upon him. One evening, just before Swamiji was retiring, the cook brought Swamiji warm milk containing poison and ground glass. After drinking the concoction, Swamiji retired for the evening, later to awaken in extreme pain. He realized immediately that he had been poisoned and attempted to purge his digestive system of the poisonous substance, but alas, it had already made its way into his blood stream.

 

Swamiji became bedridden and suffered excruciating pain. Over the course of the next several weeks, highly qualified doctors were called to help, but none could stop the effects of the poison. In the end, Swamiji's body was covered all over with large bleeding sores caused by the shredded glass and poison.

 

Just before Swamiji's last days, the cook, overcome with unbearable guilt and remorse, approached Swamiji in tears and confessed his crime. Swamiji (who knew all along the identity of his assassin) listened to the confession of the anguished cook.

 

Forgiving that tormented soul, Swamiji gave the cook a bag of money and told him to flee the country lest he be found out and executed by the Maharaja's men. Such was the compassion and mercy of Swami Dayananda.

 

On Deepawali day, Swamiji's spirit was released from its mortal frame with the words,

 

OM. . . . . .Thy Will Be Done. . . . . .OM

 

Cohesive Force of Consciousness

What is that which holds a society together? What is that which holds a community together? What is that which binds a family together into one cohesive unit? What is that which enables an individual to 'keep it together', i.e., to remain balanced and focused?

 

The answer is WISDOM--knowledge of one's Self, the Supreme Self, and the nature of this world. Wisdom is the fabric of a nation, a culture, an organization, a family and an individual. Without wisdom, a nation is divided. Without wisdom, a culture is lost, without wisdom a family is pulled apart, without wisdom an individual becomes insane.

 

Clarification :

This is not to imply that the small empires were the invention of the British--but the British certainly left no stone unturned to keep the various kingdoms divided amongst themselves.

 

The British were not solely responsible for the ills of India--in fact, Indians themselves were mostly to blame, as the Indian society had degenerated over the past 5000 years due to many various influences (many of which came from within the society itself). If you are interested in knowing about this, you are advised to read the eleventh (11th) chapter of Satyarth Prakash (Light of Truth), written by Maharishi Dayananda over 100 years ago.

 

A wise human being does not get carried away by the stories of the past. It is okay to remember the stories, but it more important to focus on the lessons to be learned.

 

Focus on the lessons

Finger pointing and name calling are useless. We need to see where we have gone wrong, so that we do not make the same mistakes again. We need to arm ourselves with wisdom to ward off all negative influences--whether they be from our past, from our environment, or from those with whom we come in contact.

 

"A wise human being learns from a little pain. A foolish person almost gets killed and still doesn't learn."

 

"A wise human being learns from the mistakes of others. A foolish person doesn't even learn from his own mistakes."

 

 

What is the Arya Samaj?

 

The Arya Samaj is a reform movement and religious/social organization which was formally established in Bombay in 1875. It's patron saint is Maharishi Dayananda. By patron saint we mean to say that he was the inspiration behind this movement and is taken to be the guide of all those who call themselves Arya Samajees. But Dayanada never referred to either himself or others as Arya Samajees or Arya Samajists. He very clearly proclaimed:

 

"I do not entertain the least idea of founding a new religion or sect. My sole aim is to believe in Truth and help others believe in it, to reject falsehood and help others to do the same."

 

Maharishi Dayananda Saraswati

 

Maharishi Dayananda was a social reformer and religious leader of the highest caliber. He was an adamant follower, exponent, and practitioner of the Vedas--the unadulterated Truth as handed down from Guru to disciple since the beginning of time. Swami Dayananda had absolutely no craving for worldly applause and was completely unconcerned and unperturbed by the censure of the superstitious, the ignorant, and the selfish. Swami Dayanada spoke the Truth and practiced it too. His compassion and large heartedness are legendary . Few people really understood him. His greatness cannot be measured with the yardstick of intellect or the ruler of the mind. To really know him one must meet him in the sacred chamber of the purified heart, devoid of all images, opinions, and misconceptions. Great souls never die--indeed, no soul ever dies, but great souls live on and on forever in our hearts. They are not confined to a particular place or time, caste, creed, or religion, country or culture--because they have gone beyond the dimension of the mind.

 

The formal organization known as the Arya Samaj was an aid in fulfilling Maharishi Dayananda's promise to his preceptor to reveal the true meaning of the Vedas and revive the Vedic culture. However, Dayananda's prime mission in life was not the forming and maintaining of an organization or institution.

 

What is the Meaning of Arya?

The word Arya means a noble human being--one who is thoughtful and charitable, who thinks good thoughts and does good actions--he or she is an Arya. The universal Arya Samaj (Vishwa Arya Samaj) is a gathering of such people. It is a well-knit society of good people.

 

Arya Samaj of the 21st Century

For the Arya Samaj (the formal institution) to make an impact in the next century and beyond, it members must take special care to imbibe the purity and depth of Maharishi Dayananda. It is not enough that we merely follow his words to the letter--we need to enter into the spirit of that great soul and realize the essence of his teachings. It is imperative that all narrow-minded sectarian views be shunned, and that every Arya whole-heartedly embrace the universal principles that were practiced and propagated by Maharishi Dayananda. These are the same universal principles that were practiced by the Sages and noble people since times immemorial, and will continue to be practiced by good people until the end of time.

 

 

 

[maadhav 0]

evaa naH spR^idhaH samajaa samatsvindra raarandhi mithatIradevIH.

vidyaam vastoravasaa gR^INanto bharadvaaja uta ta indra nUnam ..## Rg.6.25.9 ##

 

"O powerful resplendent Lord, grant us courage to fight the forces of evil. Inspire us to overthrow the godless demoniac forces that fight against us. May we the bearers of the light of knowledge adore you and thereby be privileged to obtain your favour." Rg. 6.25.9

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna,

 

Great introduction to Swami Dyanand. I did not know the story of this NOBLE(ARYA) man and how he died. His words as I read, awakens me too. We Hindus should be blessed to have Gurus like that.

 

May be you should start a separate thread on Swami Dyanand and the present Arya Samajis. Please share all the knowledge you have on this.

[Guest guest]

5.032.07 When Indra raised his powerful irresistible weapon against the mighty Da_nava, when he struck him with the blow of the thunderbolt, he made him the lowest of all creatures.

 

6.025.09 So (glorified by us), Indra, animate us (to overcome) our enemies in battle; overthrow our pious, malevolent (foes), and may we, Bha_radva_jas, praising you, assuredly possess habitations, with (abundant) food

[maadhav 0]

thanks raguram-an ji! :-)

let's keep up.

 

 

 

[maadhav 0]

aavad indram yamunaa tR^itsavash cha praatra bhedam sarvataataa mushhaayat.

ajaasash cha shigravo yakshavash cha balim shIrshhaaNi jabhrur ashvyaani..## Rg. 7.18.19 ##

 

Those, who abide by the order, and who fight to defend virtues, perform worship, and promote godly actions. The Lord, when he destroys turbulent actions in the struggle, the brilliant intellectuals, and the eloquent speakers, and divine powers cooperate in this sacred work.

Rg. 7.18.19

 

This is what i understand:

 

Those who abide by the order (of krishna in gita,) and who fight (asuras/terrorism) to defend virtues, (they) perform worship and promote godly actions (practice dharma corrctly.) The Lord, when he destroys (helps us destroy) turbulent actions (of enemies) in the struggle, (then) the brilliant intellectuals, the eloquent speakers, and divine powers cooperate in this sacred work. (Unity and cooperation is good to do, and is needed.)

 

 

[maadhav 0]

pra ye gR^ihaad amamadus tvaayaa paraasharaH shatayaatur vasishhTaH.

na te bhojasya sakhyam mR^ishhantaadhaa sUribhyaH sudinaa vyuchchhaan ..

## Rg. 7.18.21 ##

 

Neither the destroyers of hundreds of infidels (asuric invaders), nor the noblest sages, who glorify you in every home, will neglect your friendship, O benefactor. So, may prosperous days dawn upon these pious devotees. Rg. 7.18.21

 

the words in parenthesis are mine.

gandhi never read this. sad.

 

 

 

 

[maadhav 0]

tvam dhR^ishhNo dhR^ishhataa vItahavyam praavo vishvaabhirUtibhiH sudasam.

pra paurukutsim trasadasyumaavaH kshetra saataa vR^itrahatyeshhu pUrum ..## Rg. 7.19.3

 

Undaunted resplendent Lord, you protect, with all your assistance, the generous and the offerer of homage. You protect a man of discretion and of ripe wisdom in the struggle against any adversary, a person terror to the cruel. Rg. 7.19.3

 

bush is doing this: terrorise the terrorists.

 

thus we the vedic people need to "struggle against the adversary" barbaric ideology that has invaded in india.

 

 

[maadhav 0]

tmanaa samatsu hinota yaGYa.m dadhaata ketu.m janaaya vIram ..## Rg. 7.34.6 ##

 

Proceed swiftly to the battle of life and set up a new flag of your victory, O hero, in the service of mankind. Rg. 7.34.6

 

[maadhav 0]

aa yannaH patnIr gamanti achchhaa tvashhTaa supaaNir dadhaatu vIraan ..## Rg. 7.34.20 ##

 

When our wives come near to us, may He, the divine creator give us brave sons. Rg. 7.34.20

 

this says that the vedic woman's first duty is to produce khstriyas. she does not have to go to fight battles.

(only rarely can a woman do so.)

 

 

[maadhav 0]

indravaruNaa yuvam adhvaraaya no vishe janaaya mahi sharma yachchhatam .

dIrghaprayajyum iti yo vanushhyati vayam jayema pR^itanaasu dUDhyaH ..## Rg. 7.82.1 ##

 

O Lord of resplendent and venerability, bestow upon our people an family ample comforts for the celebration of sacred work and worship. May we subdue in conflicts such evil-minded persons as may seek to injure him who has been long engaged in your service. Rg. 7.82.1

 

 

[maadhav 0]

prati chakshva vi chakshendras cha soma jaagR^itam .

rakshobhyo vadham asyatam ashani yaatumadbhayaH ..## Rg. 7.104.25 ##

 

O love-divine, may you and the Lord of resplendent severally watch, keep a vigil all around and cast forth your weapons at the malignant demoniac person and smite all of them with bolt who attack in disguise. Rg. 7.104.25