What are you doing tomorrow?

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ended which?

ya lost me...

do you think it has ended in afghanistan today? bomb the hades out of a country

that has seen war for 30 yrs??

not ranting, just asking...

i'm no fan of the taliban but

a. the US has to take some responsible for them coming to power in the first

place

b. bombing a country and then setting up a different set of thugs isn't wot this

lil fraggle would call " ending "

fraggle

 

 

 

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>see, and I honestly do not know enough about that to really comment

>but i agree with how the US ended it

>and wouldn't blame the Afghan people fer hating us fer that alone!

>

>sorry fraggle, didn;t mean to rant so bad

>needed to tho

>thx!

>

>nikki

>

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> lithiania and afghanistan are very different issues and 50 yrs

>apart in history

>> i'm not sayin the soviets were angels..far from it..

>> my point was the US goaded russia into invading afghanistan, we

>wanted them to suffer there own vietnam

>>

>

>

>

>

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Hey Peter!

 

Soooooooo.....

does this mean ya know Gary Gnu or ya don't know gary Gnu?

 

ok, does anyone know Gary Gnu

or am i dorking it out alone here?

 

what about Underdog?

Oh plz tell me ya guys know Underdog?

and Magilla Gorilla!

oooh!

how bout him?

 

ok, ok

nevermind

 

nikki - exit stage left

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > after all no gnus, is good gnus

>

> Hey - that's enough of this stereotyping. I'm sure there are some

very good

> gnus out there - it's just a small minority that gets them a bad

name :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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slippery aren't I

 

no seriously,

the way the US ended the war and aftermath when Russia and

Afghanistan were at it

 

we helped, gave artillary and then booked leaving them stranded

not so much as a mint on the pillow

or a call the next day

wham bam here ya go taliban!

 

i do not blame them in a way fer going with the first person to feed

them and take care of them

maybe there was nothing else they could do

 

but like i said, i don't know much about what happened back then

 

*smiles*

nikki

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> ended which?

> ya lost me...

> do you think it has ended in afghanistan today? bomb the hades out

of a country that has seen war for 30 yrs??

> not ranting, just asking...

> i'm no fan of the taliban but

> a. the US has to take some responsible for them coming to power in

the first place

> b. bombing a country and then setting up a different set of thugs

isn't wot this lil fraggle would call " ending "

> fraggle

>

>

>

> " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> >see, and I honestly do not know enough about that to really comment

> >but i agree with how the US ended it

> >and wouldn't blame the Afghan people fer hating us fer that alone!

> >

> >sorry fraggle, didn;t mean to rant so bad

> >needed to tho

> >thx!

> >

> >nikki

> >

> >

> >, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> >> lithiania and afghanistan are very different issues and 50 yrs

> >apart in history

> >> i'm not sayin the soviets were angels..far from it..

> >> my point was the US goaded russia into invading afghanistan, we

> >wanted them to suffer there own vietnam

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >To send an email to -

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Are you in princible for , or against abortion?

 

Also would be interested to hear the view of the parents you mentioned,on the Eden life-style described on the first page of the first book of the Bible.Funny , after that it's basically down hill all the way through-out the Bible!

 

Simon

 

Simon

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nikki_mackovitch

Friday, September 13, 2002 1:24 PM

Re: What are you doing tomorrow?

Ok, I want to know the name of the embryo that was able to speak and say it felt no pain!Sorry! But uh, how do you know?After all, not 3 months ago I thought it was ok to eat meat because the animals weren't tortured.Whether you believe in God er not, you shouldn't get to play him.nikki just my two-cents, "simonpjones" <simonpjones@o...> wrote:> If an embro dosn't feel pain,then it probably wasn't design to at that stage in it's life,as it wouldn't in normal circumstance probably need to, in the safety of the womb, who knows'> > I knew a elderly bloke a few years ago, who was born slightly disabled, he said it was due to his mother trying to abort him using a knitting needle.> She must of felt very guilty to have told him the truth.> > Simon >To send an email to -

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Hi Nikki

 

> does this mean ya know Gary Gnu or ya don't know gary Gnu?

 

I've never even heard of Gary Gnu - is he a good gnu or a bad gnu?

 

> what about Underdog?

> Oh plz tell me ya guys know Underdog?

> and Magilla Gorilla!

 

Nope and Nope.!

 

> nevermind

 

Ah - I've heard of them.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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, " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

>

> No, they are spare embryos deliberately created in the laboratory,

> not ones that have been conceived naturally and aborted.

>

> Lesley

 

 

I'm not arguing because I don't have much solid info - just bits that

I've heard on the radio, but I was under the impression that in the

UK it is proposed that embryos left over from successful ivf

treatments be used for stem cell research, rather than just being

destroyed. If this is the case I really can't see the problem.

 

I am very surprised to hear that embryos are being deliberately

created in labs, purely because of the difficulty in obtaining the

raw materials to do so. Sperm is easy enough to get hold of (right,

guys?) but I know from a friend who underwent ivf that eggs are a

very different matter. I find it hard to envisage any sane female

going through the horrendous hormone treatments and

unpleasant " harvesting " procedure just to allow embryos to be created

in the lab. Of course I may be mistaken.

 

As for pain, it is generally believed that in order to feel pain

there must be some kind of nervous system. The stem cell research

would (I understand) be carried out using embryos many weeks younger

than would be required for a CNS to be viable.

 

Cheers

Cathy

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Too true Peter - I'm certainly not willing to discuss it.

 

Jo

 

First off - everyone...be careful, and remember to keep polite. I've seen this discussion kill lists way too often, as it's very highly charged!!

 

I would have to say that I would be shocked if anyone was actually "for abortion". I would think a better way to put it would be to use the generally accepted phrases for the two sides: pro-life or pro-choice.

 

BB

Peter

 

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Hi Peter

 

Geez, you are such a tease!

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > does this mean ya know Gary Gnu or ya don't know gary Gnu?

>

> I've never even heard of Gary Gnu - is he a good gnu or a bad gnu?

>

> > what about Underdog?

> > Oh plz tell me ya guys know Underdog?

> > and Magilla Gorilla!

>

> Nope and Nope.!

>

> > nevermind

>

> Ah - I've heard of them.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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Hi Nikki

 

> But, wasn't one of the reasons we left England to escape taxes? The

> tea in the harbor sort of thing?

 

This is dangerous - you could get me started talking about the America

Revolution, and then everyone will be asleep before I've stopped :-)

 

But - yes - the British government did do some pretty hefty taxing in

America which was at least part of the problem. But the Boston Tea Party is

an interesting event if only because the vast majority of those involved

were members of the local Freemasonic Lodge.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi Nikki

 

> Geez, you are such a tease!

 

I dunno - yet more rumours. I can hear them whispering about us again.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Good Morning Peter!

 

<nikki stares danger directly in the face>

<braces herself>

<ducks fellow members swats and says>

 

more about the local lodge please

 

nikki

Be proactive, not reactive

 

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > But, wasn't one of the reasons we left England to escape taxes?

The

> > tea in the harbor sort of thing?

>

> This is dangerous - you could get me started talking about the

America

> Revolution, and then everyone will be asleep before I've stopped :-)

>

> But - yes - the British government did do some pretty hefty taxing

in

> America which was at least part of the problem. But the Boston Tea

Party is

> an interesting event if only because the vast majority of those

involved

> were members of the local Freemasonic Lodge.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Peter!

 

Ah worry not me friend, we'll just hide over in yonder corner till

the whispers die down.

 

Wait, maybe this wasn't such a good idea.

ok, i'll go to that corner and you stay in this one.

 

shoot! That looks suspicious!

um, um, oh well!

 

let 'em talk!

they'll never get the truth outta me!

 

nikki

Be proactive, not reactive

 

 

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > Geez, you are such a tease!

>

> I dunno - yet more rumours. I can hear them whispering about us

again.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

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[Guest guest]

oh

now we are in fer it..you've just hit upon peter's fave subject...

 

 

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>Good Morning Peter!

>

><nikki stares danger directly in the face>

><braces herself>

><ducks fellow members swats and says>

>

>more about the local lodge please

>

>nikki

>Be proactive, not reactive

>

>

>, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

>> Hi Nikki

>>

>> > But, wasn't one of the reasons we left England to escape taxes?

>The

>> > tea in the harbor sort of thing?

>>

>> This is dangerous - you could get me started talking about the

>America

>> Revolution, and then everyone will be asleep before I've stopped :-)

>>

>> But - yes - the British government did do some pretty hefty taxing

>in

>> America which was at least part of the problem. But the Boston Tea

>Party is

>> an interesting event if only because the vast majority of those

>involved

>> were members of the local Freemasonic Lodge.

>>

>> BB

>> Peter

>>

>>

>

>

>

>To send an email to -

>

>

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Hi Nikki

 

> more about the local lodge please

 

OK - there were actually two lodges in Boston - and quite some rivalry. The

" original " was St Johns, which was warranted by the English Grand Lodge,

then another " irregular " lodge started up. St John's complained about this,

and so the knew lodge got a warrant from Scottish Grand Lodge - and became

St Andrew's. Incidentally, at this time, Scottish Freemasonry and English

Freemasonry were very much enemies: the English Grand Lodge were thoroughly

behind the Hanoverian monarchy, and the Scots still largely supported the

Stuarts. Suffice to say, there was a touch of tension there.

 

St Andrew's is the main one of interest - amongst its members were Joseph

Warren (the Grand Master), John Hancock and Paul Revere. Anyway, here's

where it starts to get complex, so hold on to your seat....

 

St Andrew's lodge met in " The Long Room " of Freemasons Hall in Boston - they

shared that room, and had a huge overlap of membership with several other

organisations: " The Long Room Club " (also run by Joseph Warren), the

" Committee of Correspondence " which included Warren and Revere, the " Sons of

Liberty " including Paul Revere (busy guy!!) - also, the " Loyal Nine " - a

third of whom were members of St Andrew's.

 

Now, although St Andrew's Lodge consisted of several dozen members, on the

night of the " Tea Party " , only 5 turned up for the regular Lodge meeting -

and business was postponed due to a lack of members present. Of those

involved in the Tea Party (on the side of the colonists), 24 are known to

have been members of St Andrews. Rather interestingly, there were two

detachments of militia supposedly guarding the ship - without their

collusion (or, at least, apathy) the raiders wouldn't have got anywhere. By

pure coincidence(???!!!!), the captain of one of these detachments was

Edward Proctor - a member of.....St Andrew's Lodge! At least nine other

members of the 48 strong militia were members of either St Andrew's Lodge or

of the Loyal Nine.

 

Is that enough for ya?

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Fraggle / Nikki

 

> now we are in fer it..you've just hit upon peter's fave subject...

 

I did try to warn you... :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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[Guest guest]

uh oh,

is this good er bad?

 

nikki

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> oh

> now we are in fer it..you've just hit upon peter's fave subject...

>

>

> " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>

> >Good Morning Peter!

> >

> ><nikki stares danger directly in the face>

> ><braces herself>

> ><ducks fellow members swats and says>

> >

> >more about the local lodge please

> >

> >nikki

> >Be proactive, not reactive

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Peter!

 

Ok, one question...

can I let go of me chair now?

 

no, no, just kidding

 

ok, why was that so bad?

that was great

history short, easy and understandable!

 

thx Peter!

much appreciated

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > more about the local lodge please

>

> OK - there were actually two lodges in Boston - and quite some

rivalry. The

> " original " was St Johns, which was warranted by the English Grand

Lodge,

> then another " irregular " lodge started up. St John's complained

about this,

> and so the knew lodge got a warrant from Scottish Grand Lodge - and

became

> St Andrew's. Incidentally, at this time, Scottish Freemasonry and

English

> Freemasonry were very much enemies: the English Grand Lodge were

thoroughly

> behind the Hanoverian monarchy, and the Scots still largely

supported the

> Stuarts. Suffice to say, there was a touch of tension there.

>

> St Andrew's is the main one of interest - amongst its members were

Joseph

> Warren (the Grand Master), John Hancock and Paul Revere. Anyway,

here's

> where it starts to get complex, so hold on to your seat....

>

> St Andrew's lodge met in " The Long Room " of Freemasons Hall in

Boston - they

> shared that room, and had a huge overlap of membership with several

other

> organisations: " The Long Room Club " (also run by Joseph Warren), the

> " Committee of Correspondence " which included Warren and Revere,

the " Sons of

> Liberty " including Paul Revere (busy guy!!) - also, the " Loyal

Nine " - a

> third of whom were members of St Andrew's.

>

> Now, although St Andrew's Lodge consisted of several dozen members,

on the

> night of the " Tea Party " , only 5 turned up for the regular Lodge

meeting -

> and business was postponed due to a lack of members present. Of

those

> involved in the Tea Party (on the side of the colonists), 24 are

known to

> have been members of St Andrews. Rather interestingly, there were

two

> detachments of militia supposedly guarding the ship - without their

> collusion (or, at least, apathy) the raiders wouldn't have got

anywhere. By

> pure coincidence(???!!!!), the captain of one of these detachments

was

> Edward Proctor - a member of.....St Andrew's Lodge! At least nine

other

> members of the 48 strong militia were members of either St Andrew's

Lodge or

> of the Loyal Nine.

>

> Is that enough for ya?

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

[Guest guest]

what?!

 

that wasn't bad at all - rather enjoyed it

nowhere near the droning i heard in elementary school

that was like the teacher in the Peanuts comics

whaa waa wa whaa wa

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Fraggle / Nikki

>

> > now we are in fer it..you've just hit upon peter's fave subject...

>

> I did try to warn you... :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> ok, why was that so bad?

> that was great

> history short, easy and understandable!

 

Sorry - I'll try harder next time :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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