What are you doing tomorrow?

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What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02? Last year I was on my way from home (Chicago, IL) to my work's corporate office in Racine, WI. when DH called me to tell me of the first plane that hit the WTC. As I drove the entire 2 1/2 hour trip North, I was back and forth talking to him, my other family members and friends. All I remember thinking was, will I make it back home? Is it possible to cancel this trip? Will they close the roads? Unfortunately I ended up spending the entire day in WI a complete basket-case. This year, I am staying close to my family. Not necessary out of fear, but more so out of remembrance and respect. Last year took a heavy toll on this family as we never moved from the t.v. set for days. I remember there wasn't a commercial or a show on for at least a week after the tragic event. NON-stop news on every channel as this nation tried to adjust. I think this year will be a spirited one for the USA. I pray that every nation and everyone have a safe and uneventful day. I taught Zak "The Pledge of Allegiance" and "God Bless America" in one day. This was days before his 3rd b-day. And taught him what the US flag meant and about our country. He picked it up! I guess he knew it was something important. So this year, I will be close to him and will salute our country, our freedom and our rights. And all those who fight for our freedom whether military or not. Those who fight for their own freedom in other countries as well. So many things could be improved on in this country I know, but so many things are right as well. I want to focus on those for awhile and my family and friends. This includes all of you! No agenda prepared for tomorrow. No plans. Wearing red, white and blue and smiling proudly at my life. Because though it is far from perfect, it is mine! And NO ONE, will EVER be able to take my beliefs away from me! Lighting a candle for those lives lost last year and past years. And lighting another for hope in the years to come. So what will you all do? I am especially interested in hearing from other countries as well. How has this affected or not affected you? Hugz and Hope to all! Nikki

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thinking of those who died

and will now die

 

same as today

same as yesterday

 

 

 

" NIKKI MACKOVITCH " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02?

>

>Last year I was on my way from home (Chicago, IL) to my work's corporate office

in Racine, WI. when DH called me to tell me of the first plane that hit the WTC.

As I drove the entire 2 1/2 hour trip North, I was back and forth talking to

him, my other family members and friends. All I remember thinking was, will I

make it back home? Is it possible to cancel this trip? Will they close the

roads? Unfortunately I ended up spending the entire day in WI a complete

basket-case.

>

>This year, I am staying close to my family. Not necessary out of fear, but more

so out of remembrance and respect. Last year took a heavy toll on this family as

we never moved from the t.v. set for days. I remember there wasn't a commercial

or a show on for at least a week after the tragic event. NON-stop news on every

channel as this nation tried to adjust. I think this year will be a spirited one

for the USA. I pray that every nation and everyone have a safe and uneventful

day.

>

>I taught Zak " The Pledge of Allegiance " and " God Bless America " in one day.

This was days before his 3rd b-day. And taught him what the US flag meant and

about our country. He picked it up! I guess he knew it was something important.

So this year, I will be close to him and will salute our country, our freedom

and our rights. And all those who fight for our freedom whether military or not.

Those who fight for their own freedom in other countries as well. So many things

could be improved on in this country I know, but so many things are right as

well. I want to focus on those for awhile and my family and friends. This

includes all of you!

>

>No agenda prepared for tomorrow. No plans. Wearing red, white and blue and

smiling proudly at my life. Because though it is far from perfect, it is mine!

And NO ONE, will EVER be able to take my beliefs away from me!

>

>Lighting a candle for those lives lost last year and past years. And lighting

another for hope in the years to come.

>

>So what will you all do? I am especially interested in hearing from other

countries as well. How has this affected or not affected you?

>

>Hugz and Hope to all!

>

>Nikki

>

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Hi Nikki

 

I shall be having a normal day, and trying to avoid listening to the radio and television. I know it was a big thing for Americans, and I really feel sorry for all the people who were killed or injured and their families and friends. It was a terrible thing to happen. Unfortunately the American government doesn't seem to learn that the way they treat other countries can come back on them. I shall be hoping that the American and British governments have some miraculous change of heart and do not kill tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi people.

 

BBJo

 

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NIKKI MACKOVITCH

Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:00 PM

What are you doing tomorrow?

 

What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02?

 

Last year I was on my way from home (Chicago, IL) to my work's corporate office in Racine, WI. when DH called me to tell me of the first plane that hit the WTC. As I drove the entire 2 1/2 hour trip North, I was back and forth talking to him, my other family members and friends. All I remember thinking was, will I make it back home? Is it possible to cancel this trip? Will they close the roads? Unfortunately I ended up spending the entire day in WI a complete basket-case.

 

This year, I am staying close to my family. Not necessary out of fear, but more so out of remembrance and respect. Last year took a heavy toll on this family as we never moved from the t.v. set for days. I remember there wasn't a commercial or a show on for at least a week after the tragic event. NON-stop news on every channel as this nation tried to adjust. I think this year will be a spirited one for the USA. I pray that every nation and everyone have a safe and uneventful day.

 

I taught Zak "The Pledge of Allegiance" and "God Bless America" in one day. This was days before his 3rd b-day. And taught him what the US flag meant and about our country. He picked it up! I guess he knew it was something important. So this year, I will be close to him and will salute our country, our freedom and our rights. And all those who fight for our freedom whether military or not. Those who fight for their own freedom in other countries as well. So many things could be improved on in this country I know, but so many things are right as well. I want to focus on those for awhile and my family and friends. This includes all of you!

 

No agenda prepared for tomorrow. No plans. Wearing red, white and blue and smiling proudly at my life. Because though it is far from perfect, it is mine! And NO ONE, will EVER be able to take my beliefs away from me!

 

Lighting a candle for those lives lost last year and past years. And lighting another for hope in the years to come.

 

So what will you all do? I am especially interested in hearing from other countries as well. How has this affected or not affected you?

 

Hugz and Hope to all!

 

Nikki

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Hi Nikki

 

> What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02?

 

Working!!! Nothing particularly unusual.

 

> Last year I was on my way from home (Chicago, IL) to my work's corporate office in Racine, WI.

 

Last year, I was also at work!! I just remember a "buzz" going round, and the TV in the employee lounge suddenly being turned on and everyone gathering round. Being interested in the conspiracy side of things, my immediate reaction was: who does America want to start a war with at the moment - I was betting on Iraq being the target of retaliation attacks. OK, I was a year out - but not bad, I think. I must admit, I was also surprised at how much I underestimated the complexity of the plans (i.e. the length of time they've managed to keep the energies subdued, etc. etc.)

 

> So this year, I will be close to him and will salute our country, our freedom and our rights.

 

Just don't forget that they are also desperately trying to remove most of those rights at the moment!

 

> So what will you all do? I am especially interested in hearing from other countries as well. How has this affected

> or not affected you?

 

In terms of doing something, I may well try to put some positive vibes into the universe. I know that my input won't be much compared to the efforts to keep everyone subdued and emotionally unbalanced, but if enough of us do the same, it might be enough :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

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good bloody luck on that account

don't you realize...everyone in iraq is saddam husein....the bombs only hit him,

and his facsimiles..not women er children er innocent people...

 

besides..my SUV needs more gas...vroom vroom...

fraggle

oh, am i tooo cynical...??

 

 

" Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote:

 

>Hi Nikki

>

>I shall be having a normal day, and trying to avoid listening to the radio and

television.  I know it was a big thing for Americans, and I really feel sorry

for all the people who were killed or injured and their families and friends.

 It was a terrible thing to happen.  Unfortunately the American government

doesn't seem to learn that the way they treat other countries can come back on

them.  I shall be hoping that the American and British governments have some

miraculous change of heart and do not kill tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi

people.

>

>BB

>Jo

>  -

>  NIKKI MACKOVITCH

>  Tuesday, September 10, 2002 3:00 PM

>   What are you doing tomorrow?

>

>

>  What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02?

>

>  Last year I was on my way from home (Chicago, IL) to my work's corporate

office in Racine, WI. when DH called me to tell me of the first plane that hit

the WTC. As I drove the entire 2 1/2 hour trip North, I was back and forth

talking to him, my other family members and friends. All I remember thinking

was, will I make it back home? Is it possible to cancel this trip? Will they

close the roads? Unfortunately I ended up spending the entire day in WI a

complete basket-case.

>

>  This year, I am staying close to my family. Not necessary out of fear, but

more so out of remembrance and respect. Last year took a heavy toll on this

family as we never moved from the t.v. set for days. I remember there wasn't a

commercial or a show on for at least a week after the tragic event. NON-stop

news on every channel as this nation tried to adjust. I think this year will be

a spirited one for the USA. I pray that every nation and everyone have a safe

and uneventful day.

>

>  I taught Zak " The Pledge of Allegiance " and " God Bless America " in one day.

This was days before his 3rd b-day. And taught him what the US flag meant and

about our country. He picked it up! I guess he knew it was something important.

So this year, I will be close to him and will salute our country, our freedom

and our rights. And all those who fight for our freedom whether military or not.

Those who fight for their own freedom in other countries as well. So many things

could be improved on in this country I know, but so many things are right as

well. I want to focus on those for awhile and my family and friends. This

includes all of you!

>

>  No agenda prepared for tomorrow. No plans. Wearing red, white and blue and

smiling proudly at my life. Because though it is far from perfect, it is mine!

And NO ONE, will EVER be able to take my beliefs away from me!

>

>  Lighting a candle for those lives lost last year and past years. And lighting

another for hope in the years to come.

>

>  So what will you all do? I am especially interested in hearing from other

countries as well. How has this affected or not affected you?

>

>  Hugz and Hope to all!

>

>  Nikki

>

>

>

>        

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i'm right there with you peter.....

one voice is still better then no voice....

>

>In terms of doing something, I may well try to put some positive vibes into the

universe. I know that my input won't be much compared to the efforts to keep

everyone subdued and emotionally unbalanced, but if enough of us do the same, it

might be enough :-)

>

>BB

>Peter

>

>

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>In terms of doing something, I may well try to put some positive vibes into the universe. I know that my input >won't be much compared to the efforts to keep everyone subdued and emotionally unbalanced, but if enough >of us do the same, it might be enough :-)

 

There's a lot of it being done at present. We did some very strong lightwork tonight (stop that sniggering back there :-) ) and it is going on all over the world. Whether it will work or not we can't prove, but doing something is better than doing nothing.

 

It is a shame the media is doing all it can to keep people's vibrations low, and most people seem only too pleased to go along with it.

 

BBJo

 

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actually, over here, its tryin to keep vibrations high...terror vibrations

look terrorists!!

anthrax!

could you be next!!!??

do you really know yer yorkshire terrier, notice how terrier is so close to

terrorist!!

someone with a camera taking pictures? terrorist!!

iraq, must bomb bomb bomb, they might have weapons someday...egads, so might

tahiti, lets get them also!

wot is todays color code threat level? orange? mauve? burnt umber??

;lock everyone up, they might be terrorists, er know a terrorist, er maybe can

spell terrorist

pay no attention to the enron scandal, or worldcom scandal, or halliburton

or..no, look over here, look its THEM! see, they are different...

wait, west nile virus, obviously a terrorist action...

sheesh

who needs coffee..just watch the morning news...

fraggle

*disdains coffeee anyways*

>

>  It is a shame the media is doing all it can to keep people's vibrations low,

and most people seem only too pleased to go along with it.

>

>  BB

>  Jo

>

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Good Morning Jo

 

I will be hoping right along with you!

 

I agree too. I wish it didn't happen, but sadly it did. So now I wish

we could learn from it.

 

*hugz*

 

nikki

 

 

, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> I shall be having a normal day, and trying to avoid listening to

the radio and television. I know it was a big thing for Americans,

and I really feel sorry for all the people who were killed or injured

and their families and friends. It was a terrible thing to happen.

Unfortunately the American government doesn't seem to learn that the

way they treat other countries can come back on them. I shall be

hoping that the American and British governments have some miraculous

change of heart and do not kill tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi

people.

>

> BB

> Jo

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Good Morning Peter

 

*sigh*

 

Ya know, I'm getting a heck of a lot of flack from people with the

pride I have for my country. So let me explain please. I'm sorry, but

I do have pride. Don't get me wrong, there are SOOOOOO MANY things

that need to be changed. And I don't mean fixed, I mean wiped out and

re-written. But, there are some good things. And having been on the

end of some of those good things and seeing what this country did for

my grandparents when they fled Germany as one exmaple, yes, I do have

pride for my country.

 

Thing is, if I am to live here and call it home, it is up to me to

fix it. Me. And for me to sit here and do nothing but trash it (not

that you are doing this at all Peter!) and to not try to take action,

is being a hypocrit. What good are opinions if they just sit there.

 

So yes, today I will celebrate the part of the country I love and

everyday I will continue to try and fix what is broken. Maybe if

enough people did that, something will eventually get fixed.

 

Our government needs to be eradicated, but if everyone only says that

and doesn't start working for it, it will never ever happen.

 

Or, maybe I should just learn to keep my mouth shut! Maybe that

one!

 

Anyways, Thx Peter for yer reply. I truly appreciate it! And it helps

me to grow as a person to get all the feedback I possibly can. I

would never want to walk through life with blinders on believing my

view is the only view.

 

Thx fer the vibes too, coming through loud and clear and very

refreshing!

 

nikki

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02?

>

> Working!!! Nothing particularly unusual.

>

> > Last year I was on my way from home (Chicago, IL) to my work's

corporate office in Racine, WI.

>

> Last year, I was also at work!! I just remember a " buzz " going

round, and the TV in the employee lounge suddenly being turned on and

everyone gathering round. Being interested in the conspiracy side of

things, my immediate reaction was: who does America want to start a

war with at the moment - I was betting on Iraq being the target of

retaliation attacks. OK, I was a year out - but not bad, I think. I

must admit, I was also surprised at how much I underestimated the

complexity of the plans (i.e. the length of time they've managed to

keep the energies subdued, etc. etc.)

>

> > So this year, I will be close to him and will salute our country,

our freedom and our rights.

>

> Just don't forget that they are also desperately trying to remove

most of those rights at the moment!

>

> > So what will you all do? I am especially interested in hearing

from other countries as well. How has this affected

> > or not affected you?

>

> In terms of doing something, I may well try to put some positive

vibes into the universe. I know that my input won't be much compared

to the efforts to keep everyone subdued and emotionally unbalanced,

but if enough of us do the same, it might be enough :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

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This is all too true! Like a flock of sheep!

 

nikki

 

, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

 

> There's a lot of it being done at present. We did some very

strong lightwork tonight (stop that sniggering back there :-) ) and

it is going on all over the world. Whether it will work or not we

can't prove, but doing something is better than doing nothing.

>

> It is a shame the media is doing all it can to keep people's

vibrations low, and most people seem only too pleased to go along

with it.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

>

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unfortunately tis true - paranoia runs high here now-a-days

 

but the vibrations of peace and comfort and getting the hell outta

other countries and minding our own damn business is definately kept

to a low murmur

 

nikki

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> actually, over here, its tryin to keep vibrations high...terror

vibrations

> look terrorists!!

> anthrax!

> could you be next!!!??

> do you really know yer yorkshire terrier, notice how terrier is so

close to terrorist!!

> someone with a camera taking pictures? terrorist!!

> iraq, must bomb bomb bomb, they might have weapons someday...egads,

so might tahiti, lets get them also!

> wot is todays color code threat level? orange? mauve? burnt umber??

> ;lock everyone up, they might be terrorists, er know a terrorist,

er maybe can spell terrorist

> pay no attention to the enron scandal, or worldcom scandal, or

halliburton or..no, look over here, look its THEM! see, they are

different...

> wait, west nile virus, obviously a terrorist action...

> sheesh

> who needs coffee..just watch the morning news...

> fraggle

> *disdains coffeee anyways*

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> Ya know, I'm getting a heck of a lot of flack from people with the

> pride I have for my country.

 

There's nothing wrong with having pride! :-)

 

Personally, I think the only major problem with most of the Western world

(including America) is the people who rule it! The problem is that it

doesn't help to replace a President or Prime Minister, because it is not

these people who are really ruling our countries - it is the people " behind

the scenes " who are the problem. As soon as someone looks like becoming a

leader of a country, they are immediately gathered in by the real powers and

told what they must do.

 

The answer to resolving the problems in both America and the UK doesn't

revolve around changing the basic concepts which are the foundations of the

political systems - it revolves around exposing and removing the group who

are orchestrating events to get and keep more and more power. Once those

people are exposed, the countries would stand a chance of operating the way

they are meant to!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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That's good :-)

 

Jo

 

> I will be hoping right along with you!

 

 

 

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Hi Nikki

 

I agree that there are good things to find pride in with both our countries,

and things to be ashamed of.

 

> Thing is, if I am to live here and call it home, it is up to me to

> fix it. Me. And for me to sit here and do nothing but trash it (not

> that you are doing this at all Peter!) and to not try to take action,

> is being a hypocrit. What good are opinions if they just sit there.

 

I agree with this also. We do criticise, but we also attend demonstrations,

and write letters to leaders, the media etc. to try to add weight to the

people trying to change things for the better.

>

> So yes, today I will celebrate the part of the country I love and

> everyday I will continue to try and fix what is broken. Maybe if

> enough people did that, something will eventually get fixed.

 

There is a chance. I think there is an upsurge, as with the

anti-globalisation activists.

>

> Our government needs to be eradicated, but if everyone only says that

> and doesn't start working for it, it will never ever happen.

 

That is the trouble, and in the UK if you get rid of one you just get

another one much the same. But we live in hope (which is very hard at

times).

>

> Or, maybe I should just learn to keep my mouth shut! Maybe that

> one!

 

No, always say what you believe.

 

BB

Jo

 

 

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terrorist

you obviously are a threat to our well being...

who said you english could remove yer blinders??

i'd add you to the homeland security list, but, the " England territorial act and

subsidiary companies act of 2001 " hasn't been ratified yet....soon tho..soon..

 

 

" Peter " <Snowbow wrote:

 

>Hi Nikki

>

>> Ya know, I'm getting a heck of a lot of flack from people with the

>> pride I have for my country.

>

>There's nothing wrong with having pride! :-)

>

>Personally, I think the only major problem with most of the Western world

>(including America) is the people who rule it! The problem is that it

>doesn't help to replace a President or Prime Minister, because it is not

>these people who are really ruling our countries - it is the people " behind

>the scenes " who are the problem. As soon as someone looks like becoming a

>leader of a country, they are immediately gathered in by the real powers and

>told what they must do.

>

>The answer to resolving the problems in both America and the UK doesn't

>revolve around changing the basic concepts which are the foundations of the

>political systems - it revolves around exposing and removing the group who

>are orchestrating events to get and keep more and more power. Once those

>people are exposed, the countries would stand a chance of operating the way

>they are meant to!

>

>BB

>Peter

>

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Well it was yesterday now, but I was on a pro-life protest against

the use of human embryos for stem cell research, so I would certainly

say I was involved in something life-affirming.

I got there quite late as the trains were pretty unreliable, and I

had to get my two older children to school first, but I was there

when a photographer took a photo of is, so there might be a picture

of us in the Daily Mail today, if anyone sees it I am the one

with the baby.

We all wore t-shirts with the words former embryo on them.

Most of the others on the demo were young people but they made us

feel very welcome.

 

Lesley

 

 

Here is the posting about it copied from another I am on:

theukonlineprolifemovement

 

Student LifeNet Press Release - 9/9/02

 

PRESS RELEASE FROM STUDENT LIFENET

 

9 September 2002

 

WE ARE ALL FORMER EMBRYOS SAY STUDENTS

 

Students will demonstrate outside the Medical Research Council's stem

cell bank launch on September 11 outside the Millennium Gloucester

Hotel, in Gloucester Road in London, from 9am until midday, with t-

shirts which read " FORMER EMBRYO " .

 

" No matter what euphemism they use, no scientist can deny that each

of us started life as an embryo. It is unacceptable to kill or

destroy any of us for research, so how can they justify the killing

of human embryos, which is what we were twenty years ago? "

 

" When we meet conference delegates, who will include Lord Sainsbury

the science minister, we hope that the message on our t-shirts will

jolt them into realising that their conference is about experimenting

on and destroying young human beings. "

 

" Medical research should be about saving life not destroying it.

These scientists should be getting on with the real work of finding

cures through the less hyped, and less lucrative, but completely

ethical arena of adult stem cell research, which is already leaving

embryonic stem cell research and the profit-driven Medical Research

Council way behind. "

 

" We appeal to MPs and the public to join with us in opposing the

commercial exploitation of our tiny fellow human beings. "

 

 

, " NIKKI MACKOVITCH " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> What is everyone doing tomorrow for 9/11/02?

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Good Morning Peter!

 

Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity and

do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow

too easily together.

 

I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and

Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of life

which has drastically changed. Unfortunately, I cannot think of

anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the

civil wars that would erupt from the attempt.

 

I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very opinionated

friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas

that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering the

consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America)

should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said and

where would you go?

He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as

yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full-

blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico,

Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! Oh no he says, I meant the ones who

came over recently. Oh, so this isn;t America anymore? If your

bloodline hasn;t been here for at least 50 years you must leave?

*sigh*

 

do people realize what they say when the words come out of their

mouths?

 

nikki

I live in my own little world. But it's okay...they know me here.

 

 

, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > Ya know, I'm getting a heck of a lot of flack from people with the

> > pride I have for my country.

>

> There's nothing wrong with having pride! :-)

>

> Personally, I think the only major problem with most of the Western

world

> (including America) is the people who rule it! The problem is that

it

> doesn't help to replace a President or Prime Minister, because it

is not

> these people who are really ruling our countries - it is the

people " behind

> the scenes " who are the problem. As soon as someone looks like

becoming a

> leader of a country, they are immediately gathered in by the real

powers and

> told what they must do.

>

> The answer to resolving the problems in both America and the UK

doesn't

> revolve around changing the basic concepts which are the

foundations of the

> political systems - it revolves around exposing and removing the

group who

> are orchestrating events to get and keep more and more power. Once

those

> people are exposed, the countries would stand a chance of operating

the way

> they are meant to!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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Good Morning Jo!

 

Thank you fer this, guess I was just letting the blue funk get to me

yesterday!

 

And you are right, there is an upsurge lately and I appreciate you

being a part of it! Why? Because every step helps the world get

better and I appreciate anyone who takes those steps. Maybe one day

we can all live in peace and prosperity. All equals, no classes.

 

Tis a long way off, but each day gets easier if we try~!

 

Hugz & Hope,

 

nikki

 

 

, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> I agree that there are good things to find pride in with both our

countries,

> and things to be ashamed of.

>

> > Thing is, if I am to live here and call it home, it is up to me to

> > fix it. Me. And for me to sit here and do nothing but trash it

(not

> > that you are doing this at all Peter!) and to not try to take

action,

> > is being a hypocrit. What good are opinions if they just sit

there.

>

> I agree with this also. We do criticise, but we also attend

demonstrations,

> and write letters to leaders, the media etc. to try to add weight

to the

> people trying to change things for the better.

> >

> > So yes, today I will celebrate the part of the country I love and

> > everyday I will continue to try and fix what is broken. Maybe if

> > enough people did that, something will eventually get fixed.

>

> There is a chance. I think there is an upsurge, as with the

> anti-globalisation activists.

> >

> > Our government needs to be eradicated, but if everyone only says

that

> > and doesn't start working for it, it will never ever happen.

>

> That is the trouble, and in the UK if you get rid of one you just

get

> another one much the same. But we live in hope (which is very hard

at

> times).

> >

> > Or, maybe I should just learn to keep my mouth shut! Maybe that

> > one!

>

> No, always say what you believe.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

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Killing thousands of people for the sheer hell of it is not " coming back

at them " . Although there are big problems with foreign policy (and most

preventable deaths on 11/9/1 were not in New York), Al-Quaeda did what

they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure, but

because they don't like America. And most of the reasons Al-Quaeda don't

like America aren't actually very valid.

 

(Unlike the reasons why *I* don't like America, which of course are pure

as the driven snow . ).

 

 

--

Ian McDonald

 

http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/

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Good Morning Ian!

 

I agree to some extent, but that does not make it right!

 

And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system.

 

Ala (completely misspelled, sorry), their god will bring them to

glory if they do this so they did it for their god. Yet these same

men who took these planes were drinking and looking at nude women the

night before which is against their religion!

 

This is something that remains a complete mystery to me!

 

 

nikki - also pure as the white driven snow

HEY! what are you all laughing at?

 

 

, Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:

> Killing thousands of people for the sheer hell of it is not " coming

back

> at them " . Although there are big problems with foreign policy (and

most

> preventable deaths on 11/9/1 were not in New York), Al-Quaeda did

what

> they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure,

but

> because they don't like America. And most of the reasons Al-Quaeda

don't

> like America aren't actually very valid.

>

> (Unlike the reasons why *I* don't like America, which of course are

pure

> as the driven snow . ).

>

>

> --

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>

> http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/

[Guest guest]

i like folks who say " everyone should speak american dammit... "

funny..that doesn't sound Sioux to me

 

 

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

 

>Good Morning Peter!

>

>

>Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity and

>do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow

>too easily together.

>

>I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and

>Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of life

>which has drastically changed. Unfortunately, I cannot think of

>anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the

>civil wars that would erupt from the attempt.

>

>I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very opinionated

>friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas

>that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering the

>consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America)

>should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said and

>where would you go?

>He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as

>yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full-

>blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico,

>Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! Oh no he says, I meant the ones who

>came over recently. Oh, so this isn;t America anymore? If your

>bloodline hasn;t been here for at least 50 years you must leave?

>*sigh*

>

>do people realize what they say when the words come out of their

>mouths?

>

>nikki

>I live in my own little world. But it's okay...they know me here.

>

>

>, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

>> Hi Nikki

>>

>> > Ya know, I'm getting a heck of a lot of flack from people with the

>> > pride I have for my country.

>>

>> There's nothing wrong with having pride! :-)

>>

>> Personally, I think the only major problem with most of the Western

>world

>> (including America) is the people who rule it! The problem is that

>it

>> doesn't help to replace a President or Prime Minister, because it

>is not

>> these people who are really ruling our countries - it is the

>people " behind

>> the scenes " who are the problem. As soon as someone looks like

>becoming a

>> leader of a country, they are immediately gathered in by the real

>powers and

>> told what they must do.

>>

>> The answer to resolving the problems in both America and the UK

>doesn't

>> revolve around changing the basic concepts which are the

>foundations of the

>> political systems - it revolves around exposing and removing the

>group who

>> are orchestrating events to get and keep more and more power. Once

>those

>> people are exposed, the countries would stand a chance of operating

>the way

>> they are meant to!

>>

>> BB

>> Peter

>>

>>

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>

[Guest guest]

thank you george bush...

wot is yer answer dear ian..i know we talked about this before..but i'd like to

hear yer opinions again

me, i don't think dropping bombs all over afghanistan proves one thing, besides

the fact that the US can do wotever the heck it wants and screw everyone else...

funny..i don't seem to recall many al queda members being captured..i haven't

seen Ata or bin laden in prison yet..funny that....

tho, thousands certainly did die in afghanistan...

fraggle

 

Ian McDonald <ian wrote:

 

>Killing thousands of people for the sheer hell of it is not " coming back

>at them " . Although there are big problems with foreign policy (and most

>preventable deaths on 11/9/1 were not in New York), Al-Quaeda did what

>they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure, but

>because they don't like America. And most of the reasons Al-Quaeda don't

>like America aren't actually very valid.

>

>(Unlike the reasons why *I* don't like America, which of course are pure

>as the driven snow . ).

>

>

>--

>Ian McDonald

>

>http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/

>

>

>

>To send an email to -

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity and

> do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow

> too easily together.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

> I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and

> Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of life

> which has drastically changed.

 

Y'know, there are some intriguing loopholes which could do with getting

cleared up as well. For instance - because Washington DC is not in any

state, it is technically exempt from the constitution!! Also, did you know

that printing paper money is against the constitution - it can only be done

in Washington because of the loophole that makes Washington exempt: well,

technically, anyway!

 

My favourite, though, is the 16th amendment. For the non-Americans, this is

the amendment which basically allowed for the setting up of the IRS, and is

the entire basis of the current US taxation system. It is actually

unconstitutional as it was only ever ratified by three states!!! Basically,

the American taxation system is based on almost mafia-like enforcement of a

law which was never passed!!!

 

> Unfortunately, I cannot think of

> anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the

> civil wars that would erupt from the attempt.

 

I vote for Fraggle! :-)

 

> I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very opinionated

> friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas

> that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering the

> consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America)

> should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said and

> where would you go?

 

I know what you mean - we have the BNP in the UK. Basically, they are a

party of fascists who want to " re-patriate " all foreigners. When asked to

clarify, it usually turns out that they mean all non-white foreigners. The

sad thing is that some people are *still* stupid enough to fall for the

usual nazi propaganda.

 

There was an interesting late-night programme on the radio a couple of

months ago. According to some research, the population of Europe is

declining at quite an alarming rate - this research suggested that without

immigrants, Europe would be unable to function properly within 100 years.

 

> He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as

> yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full-

> blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico,

> Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay!

 

Of course, you could go even further, and send all the Native Americans back

too - as they originally came from Europe and Asia. But then the entire

American continent would be left to two 80 year old sisters who are the only

surviving members of the tribes that inhabited America before the NAs

arrived. It's really sad to think that an entire race will be dead within

our lifetime :-(

 

But I digress!!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi Ian

 

> Al-Quaeda did what

> they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure, but

> because they don't like America.

 

This, of course, assumes that Al Qaeda did anything. It's an unusual

terrorist organisation that performs the largest single terrorist act on a

continent and then denies any involvement. Normally terrorist organisations

are quite proud of their achievements.

 

I found it very interesting watching the news for the month after the

attacks. Over the period of the month it went something like this:

 

Day one: Nobody knows who's behind this, and nobody is claiming

responsibility.

 

Day three: Here are a few organisations who might have been

involved.......(including Al Qaeda)...but we don't know which one.

 

Day five: We've narrowed down the suspects, and we think Osama Bin Laden

might be connected - he denies it, and we haven't got any proof.

 

Day ten: We know that there were some passengers on the planes with Arab

names, so they must have been the hijackers. This supports the possibility

that an organisation connected with Islam might have had something to do

with it. Al Qaeda are a possibility.

 

Day twelve: Al Qaeda are known to dislike America, so we think they might be

involved. We know that they are Arabs, and we know that Arabs were involved.

 

Day fifteen: Al Qaeda, the prime suspects in the September 11 terrorist

attacks.....

 

Day twenty: Some top bod in America has said that he believes that Al Qaeda

were behind the attacks.

 

Day twenty-five: Al Qaeda, who were behind the terrorist attacks....

 

Day thirty: We're going to attack Afghanistan, because we know the Taliban

is connected to Al Qaeda who destroyed the twin towers.

 

Fascinating that throughout the whole thing, there has been no evidence

presented to the public to support this argument. The only " evidence " is a

video of someone with a false beard and a teatowel on his head which the

American government claims is Osama Bin Laden. Incidentally, if it is Osama

Bin Laden in the video, then he obviously visits the same plastic surgeon as

Michael Jackson.

 

I'm not saying that Al Qaeda aren't a nasty bunch of people - just that the

belief that they were behind September 11 is based on slightly less evidence

than the existence of the Loch Ness Monster.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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