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September 13, 2002

I could just be assuming here, so if I am please tell me.

But seeing the words " pro-life " in this, it seems to me as if it were

more of a No Abortion protest than the stem-cell research itself

The majority, if not all (dunno), of embryos used are from abortions

as opposed to still-borns etc

nikki

, " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

> >

> I was on a pro-life protest against

> > the use of human embryos for stem cell research

>

> I believe that stem cell research could replace animal

> experimentation in some instances. Why would anyone want to

prevent

> that? Cells can't feel pain.

>

> Cathy

September 13, 2002

Ok, I want to know the name of the embryo that was able to speak and

say it felt no pain!

Sorry! But uh, how do you know?

After all, not 3 months ago I thought it was ok to eat meat because

the animals weren't tortured.

Whether you believe in God er not, you shouldn't get to play him.

nikki just my two-cents

, " simonpjones " <simonpjones@o...> wrote:

> If an embro dosn't feel pain,then it probably wasn't design to at

that stage in it's life,as it wouldn't in normal circumstance

probably need to, in the safety of the womb, who knows'

>

> I knew a elderly bloke a few years ago, who was born slightly

disabled, he said it was due to his mother trying to abort him using

a knitting needle.

> She must of felt very guilty to have told him the truth.

>

> Simon

>

September 13, 2002

sorry, couldn't call him, was at a show

amazing..he probably couldn't spot a person of arab descent if she shoved a

koran in his face...

is he christian? is he caucasian? if so next time you see him, call him a

terrorist..he must be..look at timothy mcveigh, the unabomber...

i'd alert TIPS as soon as possible if i were you...

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

>Hey fraggle listen, Rich will be over tonite, so call me on my cell

>and you can talk to him! Cause I just give up!!!

>

>He tells me the other day how he and his finance were out shopping

>and he PROUDLY states that everytime he walked by an " Arab " he would

>start singing God Bless America! I almost decked him. He thought that

>this was absolutely ok. I think I stopped him dead in his tracks tho

>when I asked him when he became a terrorist. He stared at mne blankly

>(prob almost decked me LoL) and asked what the hell I was talking

>about. I said well, you are no better than them (the terrorists). You

>are singling out innoncent Americans because of the color of their

>skin and purposely trying to strike terror in their hearts. What's

>the defanition of terrorism? Someone who purposely strikes terror.

>Suffice to say this turned into a long drawn out battle.

>

>But it got him thinking a bit.

>

>Man, he is such a good guy, but can be such an idiot!!!!!

>

>anyways, fraggle you couldn;t be more right!

>thank you!

>

>nikki

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> i like folks who say " everyone should speak american dammit... "

>> funny..that doesn't sound Sioux to me

>>

>> " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

>>

>> >Good Morning Peter!

>> >

>> >Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity

>and

>> >do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow

>> >too easily together.

>> >

>> >I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and

>> >Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of

>life

>> >which has drastically changed. Unfortunately, I cannot think of

>> >anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine

>the

>> >civil wars that would erupt from the attempt.

>> >

>> >I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very

>opinionated

>> >friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas

>> >that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering

>the

>> >consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America)

>> >should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said

>and

>> >where would you go?

>> >He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim

>as

>> >yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full-

>> >blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico,

>> >Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! Oh no he says, I meant the ones who

>> >came over recently. Oh, so this isn;t America anymore? If your

>> >bloodline hasn;t been here for at least 50 years you must leave?

>> >*sigh*

>> >

>> >do people realize what they say when the words come out of their

>> >mouths?

>> >

>> >nikki

>> >I live in my own little world. But it's okay...they know me here.

>> >

>>

>

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>

September 13, 2002

why do you have to be part of named party anyways??

why be part of a party? if you don't follow them, then why label yerself like

that??

me? i was registered under the international pogo party for a long time..then

had the elder god party...

now i register as a green, but that doesn't mean much to me....

in my eyes, democrats are just republican light...clinton was marginally better

then the admin we have now...he bombed iraq just as well as Bush and co

are...there was arsenic in the water then, bush was just unfortunate enought to

be the dummy to think no one would care about EPA studies...

fraggle

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

>*sigh*

>unfortunately you cannot capture Bin laden in an election year

>

>and there were a lot of al queda captured, but we left them in the

>afghanistan hands and many many many were released

>especially the ones with money

>

>and laden went to Pakistan in my eyes

>screwed that up too

>

>anywho, been thinking

>I declare myself a Republican, but don;t follow the party's evil ways

>well, mostly

>would never ever declare myself a Democrat fer personal family reasons

>and I hate the word other

>so can i be part of the lost party?

>

>nikki

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>>

>> thank you george bush...

>> wot is yer answer dear ian..i know we talked about this before..but

>i'd like to hear yer opinions again

>> me, i don't think dropping bombs all over afghanistan proves one

>thing, besides the fact that the US can do wotever the heck it wants

>and screw everyone else...

>> funny..i don't seem to recall many al queda members being

>captured..i haven't seen Ata or bin laden in prison yet..funny

>that....

>> tho, thousands certainly did die in afghanistan...

>> fraggle

>>

>

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September 13, 2002

funny

when did afghanistan invade the US?? i don't recall seeing afghani crop dusters

dropping cluster bombs on DC

i don't remember hearing about buchastani's spreading uranium depeleted

munitions over the landscape of kansas...

wot i do know

the US started destabling the Afghani regime in 1978..so that the Soviets would

invade(they had to keep their semi-puppets going there), then the US pumped

money and weapons into the area...just to make the russians bleed

then, when the soviets withdrew...we walked away laughing...

Afghanistan spent a few more years in civil war before the Taliban came to

power..the taliban being one of the groups we supported...just like a certain

saudi named bin laden...

shall we talk about the Taliban coming to the US to talk about a possible

pipeline? shall we talk about poppies and opium?

blah

fraggle

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

>*sigh*

>

>or just by being told it's the right thing to do!

>

>let's go to Rich again, his beef is that the Afghany people are

>brought up from birth to hate Americans and to kill

>

>hmmm..... no proof on this, but even if it is true

>

>aren;t most Americans brought up to be racist, greedy, lazy, angry,

>self-righteous and so on and so on and so on

>

>and didn't many Arab-Americans come here to flee their countries

>beliefs

>much like my grandparent did who fit into Rich's " white " category who

>fled the Nazi's and the Russians at the end of the war

>so we can stay, but they can't!

>

>just makes me sick to my stomach

>

>nikki - who doesn;t like painting such a bad picture of Rich - the

>guy is just confused, sense actually can be talked into him,

>unfortunately he is easily influenced

>

>, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote:

>> Hi Nikki

>>

>> > And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system.

>>

>> It's called brain-washing, and has very little to do with belief

>systems!

>> Western governments run several high-quality brain-washing

>programmes. The

>> best known is MK Ultra.

>>

>> Rather frighteningly, humans can be quite easily programmed to kill

>> themselves (and others) just by hearing or seeing a

>programmed " trigger " .

>>

>> BB

>> Peter

>>

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>To send an email to -

>

September 13, 2002

Mk Ultra

code name for CIA project to find out uses of psychoactive drugs and chemicals

and there possible deployment

used on US citizens and prisoners w/o there knowledge

it was started in 1953 by CIA director Dulles.

responsible from the death of a US scientist to LSD to kooky plans to drug

fidel castro

ever heard of the manchurian candidate?

fraggle

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote:

>so can ya have another discussion, because I am unsure too

>

>nikki

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> i just had a long discussion with someone who never heard of ML

>ultra...

>> wow..thought everyone knew that one....

>> fraggle

>>

>

>To send an email to -

>

September 13, 2002

Hi Nikki

> Little do many Americans know, you can get away with not filing taxes

> if you declare yourself independent i think it is. But than you lose

> out on any government benefits. Hmmm.... government benefits. Bit of

> an oxy-moron!

I didn't know that! The really funny thing about the American taxation

system is who benefits from it. The IRS is actually a private company, owned

by a small group of European families!! Quite a bit of American tax goes to

lining their pockets. I wonder how many Americans would be happy to pay tax

if they realised this!

> My words almost exactly! Nazi propaganda! Who gives anyone the right

> to say who stays and goes! This land was founded on freedom. No where

> is there a race written into that!

Exactly. Of course, the UK doesn't have any similar foundation to go back

to. But one of the things that really makes me laugh is that most British

people still refer to the Norman conquest in 1066 as " them coming over and

conquering us " - like there's going to be anyone left in the country not

descended from the Normans!!! (Although, at least I could make this claim,

as my surname pre-dates the Norman conquest!!!)

BB

Peter

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September 13, 2002

Hi Nikki

> You just leave Nessie outta this!

Sorry - I know she can get a bit upset when people don't believe in her :-)

BB

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September 13, 2002

Hi Nikki

> so can ya have another discussion, because I am unsure too

MK Ultra is the main US brain-washing programme. It's used primarily for

programming people as assassins etc - they get programmed with a trigger,

and then sent to live a perfectly normal life until the trigger is pulled.

There have been suggestions that David Koresh was a failed MK Ultra

programmee.

BB

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September 13, 2002

Unfortunately it wasn't in the paper.

Lesley

, " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> OOOhh! If it is there can ya post it?

>

> Would be neat to see!

>

> Nikki

>

> , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> > Hi Lesley

> >

> > Was your photo in the paper then? I don't buy papers, so

wouldn't

> have seen

> > it, but if there is a photo I will try to look at one tomorrow.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > > > when a photographer took a photo of is, so there might be a

> picture

> > > of us in the Daily Mail today, if anyone sees it I am the one

> > > with the baby.

> > >

> >

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September 13, 2002

No, they are spare embryos deliberately created in the laboratory,

not ones that have been conceived naturally and aborted.

Lesley

, " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> I could just be assuming here, so if I am please tell me.

> But seeing the words " pro-life " in this, it seems to me as if it

were

> more of a No Abortion protest than the stem-cell research itself

> The majority, if not all (dunno), of embryos used are from

abortions

> as opposed to still-borns etc

>

> nikki

>

> , " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote:

> > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote:

> > >

> > I was on a pro-life protest against

> > > the use of human embryos for stem cell research

> >

> > I believe that stem cell research could replace animal

> > experimentation in some instances. Why would anyone want to

> prevent

> > that? Cells can't feel pain.

> >

> > Cathy

September 13, 2002

If an embro dosn't feel pain,then it probably wasn't design to at that stage in it's life,as it wouldn't in normal circumstance probably need to, in the safety of the womb, who knows'

I knew a elderly bloke a few years ago, who was born slightly disabled, he said it was due to his mother trying to abort him using a knitting needle.

She must of felt very guilty to have told him the truth.