Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 of course, let us not forget the pure christian crusaders... " kill them all, god will know his own " people suck, religion just gives them a reason to " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack wrote: >Good Morning Ian! > > >I agree to some extent, but that does not make it right! > >And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system. > >Ala (completely misspelled, sorry), their god will bring them to >glory if they do this so they did it for their god. Yet these same >men who took these planes were drinking and looking at nude women the >night before which is against their religion! > >This is something that remains a complete mystery to me! > > >nikki - also pure as the white driven snow >HEY! what are you all laughing at? > > >, Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote: >> Killing thousands of people for the sheer hell of it is not " coming >back >> at them " . Although there are big problems with foreign policy (and >most >> preventable deaths on 11/9/1 were not in New York), Al-Quaeda did >what >> they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure, >but >> because they don't like America. And most of the reasons Al-Quaeda >don't >> like America aren't actually very valid. >> >> (Unlike the reasons why *I* don't like America, which of course are >pure >> as the driven snow . ). >> >> >> -- >> Ian McDonald >> >> http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Hi Nikki > And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system. It's called brain-washing, and has very little to do with belief systems! Western governments run several high-quality brain-washing programmes. The best known is MK Ultra. Rather frighteningly, humans can be quite easily programmed to kill themselves (and others) just by hearing or seeing a programmed " trigger " . BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 i just had a long discussion with someone who never heard of ML ultra... wow..thought everyone knew that one.... fraggle " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi Nikki > >> And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system. > >It's called brain-washing, and has very little to do with belief systems! >Western governments run several high-quality brain-washing programmes. The >best known is MK Ultra. > >Rather frighteningly, humans can be quite easily programmed to kill >themselves (and others) just by hearing or seeing a programmed " trigger " . > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Hi Nikki, I have to say you spoke a lot sense in your post. I loved what you wrote at the end " I live in my own little world. But that's okay... they know me here! How comforting eh!!! Geraldine > > " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > > >Good Morning Peter! > > > > > >Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity and > >do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow > >too easily together. > > > >I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and > >Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of life > >which has drastically changed. Unfortunately, I cannot think of > >anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the > >civil wars that would erupt from the attempt. > > > >I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very opinionated > >friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas > >that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering the > >consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America) > >should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said and > >where would you go? > >He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as > >yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full- > >blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico, > >Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! Oh no he says, I meant the ones who > >came over recently. Oh, so this isn;t America anymore? If your > >bloodline hasn;t been here for at least 50 years you must leave? > >*sigh* > > > >do people realize what they say when the words come out of their > >mouths? > > > >nikki > >I live in my own little world. But it's okay...they know me here. > > > > > >, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > >> Hi Nikki > >> > >> > Ya know, I'm getting a heck of a lot of flack from people with the > >> > pride I have for my country. > >> > >> There's nothing wrong with having pride! :-) > >> > >> Personally, I think the only major problem with most of the Western > >world > >> (including America) is the people who rule it! The problem is that > >it > >> doesn't help to replace a President or Prime Minister, because it > >is not > >> these people who are really ruling our countries - it is the > >people " behind > >> the scenes " who are the problem. As soon as someone looks like > >becoming a > >> leader of a country, they are immediately gathered in by the real > >powers and > >> told what they must do. > >> > >> The answer to resolving the problems in both America and the UK > >doesn't > >> revolve around changing the basic concepts which are the > >foundations of the > >> political systems - it revolves around exposing and removing the > >group who > >> are orchestrating events to get and keep more and more power. Once > >those > >> people are exposed, the countries would stand a chance of operating > >the way > >> they are meant to! > >> > >> BB > >> Peter > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Nikki Good thinking! Jo > He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as > yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full- > blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico, > Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Hi Nikki We all need to hope, and there's nothing wrong with dreams either. Jo > Tis a long way off, but each day gets easier if we try~! > > Hugz & Hope, > > nikki > > > , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > > Hi Nikki > > > > I agree that there are good things to find pride in with both our > countries, > > and things to be ashamed of. > > > > > Thing is, if I am to live here and call it home, it is up to me to > > > fix it. Me. And for me to sit here and do nothing but trash it > (not > > > that you are doing this at all Peter!) and to not try to take > action, > > > is being a hypocrit. What good are opinions if they just sit > there. > > > > I agree with this also. We do criticise, but we also attend > demonstrations, > > and write letters to leaders, the media etc. to try to add weight > to the > > people trying to change things for the better. > > > > > > So yes, today I will celebrate the part of the country I love and > > > everyday I will continue to try and fix what is broken. Maybe if > > > enough people did that, something will eventually get fixed. > > > > There is a chance. I think there is an upsurge, as with the > > anti-globalisation activists. > > > > > > Our government needs to be eradicated, but if everyone only says > that > > > and doesn't start working for it, it will never ever happen. > > > > That is the trouble, and in the UK if you get rid of one you just > get > > another one much the same. But we live in hope (which is very hard > at > > times). > > > > > > Or, maybe I should just learn to keep my mouth shut! Maybe that > > > one! > > > > No, always say what you believe. > > > > BB > > Jo > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Hi Ian LOL - it's governments and big business I don't like - not the general populous of any country. Jo > (Unlike the reasons why *I* don't like America, which of course are pure > as the driven snow . ). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 > >My favourite, though, is the 16th amendment. For the non-Americans, this is >the amendment which basically allowed for the setting up of the IRS, and is >the entire basis of the current US taxation system. It is actually >unconstitutional as it was only ever ratified by three states!!! Basically, >the American taxation system is based on almost mafia-like enforcement of a >law which was never passed!!! not technically true it passed with the needed amount, just that many staes ratified it with a change in punctuation er a change of a word er 3... i find the story behind the 16th amendment funnier...an income tax law was passed durin our civil war, then abolished, and afterwards, it came up every few years... then, after the robber baron years, the idea of " soaking the rich " was gaining in the populus..and the democrats introduced an income tax over and over..it was defeated over and over..then it was introduced, and a bunch of republicans jumped ship and said they would vote for it...this terrified the republican leadership, which asked Taft to ask for a constituitional amendment instead...thinking " hahahah..it will never pass the states " ... and they went nuts when it was ratified..it passed the senate 77-0 i think..and most states ratified it, inconsistencies er not... > >> Unfortunately, I cannot think of >> anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the >> civil wars that would erupt from the attempt. > >I vote for Fraggle! :-) i accept yer nomination why vote for the lesser evil! vote fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Hi Fraggle > funny..i don't seem to recall many al queda members being captured I know they managed to kill one. It was reported on our news in the UK. I thought that was rather an impressive ration: 20,000 troops, one enemy soldier taken out. Ironically, they've also managed to kill four British soldiers - I guess Al Qaeda weren't proving enough of a challenge, so they decided to help them out. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Unfortunately it was not reported in the Daily Mail after all Peaceful protests are hardly considered newsworthy, as is the case with the animal rights movement too. Lesley , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Hi Lesley > > Was your photo in the paper then? I don't buy papers, so wouldn't have seen > it, but if there is a photo I will try to look at one tomorrow. > > Jo > > > > when a photographer took a photo of is, so there might be a picture > > of us in the Daily Mail today, if anyone sees it I am the one > > with the baby. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Glad to see some level minded folk out there,that see beyond the ruling party(mean daddy!)and shadow party(understanding mummy!)facade that constitute power. But this is an issue we all have to deal with,we are indocrinated into a heriarchy from the day we are born,and like children we are taught to respect our elders(whether they deserve it or not!)this works on a institutional level as well as a personal level. Dont question your father;mother knows best(or else?) Maybe this theory really is a Freudian wet dream!?But there must be a better way than this! On the UK front,looking for possible culprits,The Bank of England have been running this country's economy since the fall of EMU,and what's Chris Patten up to?sent to Hong Kong after scandal,to hang out with the Chinese(not really a 'bit' player in the global scheme of things)and apparently the first British delegate to visit America after 9/11.Could be nothing! Ouch!National Security is a real pain!gets in the way of UNDERSTANDING Jak %) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > I was on a pro-life protest against > the use of human embryos for stem cell research I believe that stem cell research could replace animal experimentation in some instances. Why would anyone want to prevent that? Cells can't feel pain. Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 well..it was actually to show blair a thing er two..don't even think of stepping out of line!!! and you too, pesky red cross! " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi Fraggle > >> funny..i don't seem to recall many al queda members being captured > >I know they managed to kill one. It was reported on our news in the UK. I >thought that was rather an impressive ration: 20,000 troops, one enemy >soldier taken out. Ironically, they've also managed to kill four British >soldiers - I guess Al Qaeda weren't proving enough of a challenge, so they >decided to help them out. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 , " cathyjupp " <cj@r...> wrote: > , " Lesley Dove " <Lesley@v...> wrote: > > > I was on a pro-life protest against > > the use of human embryos for stem cell research > > I believe that stem cell research could replace animal > experimentation in some instances. Why would anyone want to prevent > that? Cells can't feel pain. > > Cathy No problem with stem cell research per se, I agree, it's great if ETHICALLY obtained stem cells can replace animals. There is no problem getting stem cells without controversy as it is possible to get adult stem cells, and stem cells can also be obtained from the cord blood from live births. This stem cell collection which is totally ethical is already being done in many hospitals. They were asking about it when I gave birth to Lucy and I was OK with it, but they had to check if the blood was suitable because of our rhesus incompatibility, and they never got back to me, so I don't know if they were able to use ours or not, but in most normal births they surely can if the mother gives permission. Stem cells are not people or animals and they can't feel pain, but if they are obtained from human embryos which are created and destroyed for research, this is a taking of human life and a form of vivisection. We are not sure when the unborn human starts to feel pain, but it is still a human being at the start of life. We all wore t-shirts with the words FORMER EMBRYO on them, to make the point that these were tiny human beings who were being killed here. Even if they were too undeveloped to feel pain, they were each still a person who was being deprived of their life. Aside from the pain issue, I believe that is still a loss as we are all valuable. We all started out as embryos including the thousands of people who died in the World Trade Centre attack, so there is really no huge difference between voicing concern against war and terrorism and doing the same against abortion and embryo experiments. One of the other pro-lifers I know is considering going vegan because of my influence I hope he follows through with that or at least goes veggie. If I can work on pro-lifers to become more consistent and also respect animal life, I think it's worth me getting involved for that reason too. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Theres' only God I could follow is the the plant-food God that wants everyone to live happly,healthly and harmoniously together, all animals and humans alike.Roll on that day! Simon - nikki_mackovitch Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:34 PM Re: What are you doing tomorrow? Good Morning Ian!:)I agree to some extent, but that does not make it right!And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system.Ala (completely misspelled, sorry), their god will bring them to glory if they do this so they did it for their god. Yet these same men who took these planes were drinking and looking at nude women the night before which is against their religion!This is something that remains a complete mystery to me!nikki - also pure as the white driven snowHEY! what are you all laughing at? , Ian McDonald <ian@m...> wrote:> Killing thousands of people for the sheer hell of it is not "coming back> at them". Although there are big problems with foreign policy (and most> preventable deaths on 11/9/1 were not in New York), Al-Quaeda did what> they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure, but> because they don't like America. And most of the reasons Al-Quaeda don't> like America aren't actually very valid.> > (Unlike the reasons why *I* don't like America, which of course are pure> as the driven snow . ).> > > -- > Ian McDonald> > http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Hey fraggle listen, Rich will be over tonite, so call me on my cell and you can talk to him! Cause I just give up!!! He tells me the other day how he and his finance were out shopping and he PROUDLY states that everytime he walked by an " Arab " he would start singing God Bless America! I almost decked him. He thought that this was absolutely ok. I think I stopped him dead in his tracks tho when I asked him when he became a terrorist. He stared at mne blankly (prob almost decked me LoL) and asked what the hell I was talking about. I said well, you are no better than them (the terrorists). You are singling out innoncent Americans because of the color of their skin and purposely trying to strike terror in their hearts. What's the defanition of terrorism? Someone who purposely strikes terror. Suffice to say this turned into a long drawn out battle. But it got him thinking a bit. Man, he is such a good guy, but can be such an idiot!!!!! anyways, fraggle you couldn;t be more right! thank you! nikki , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > i like folks who say " everyone should speak american dammit... " > funny..that doesn't sound Sioux to me > > > " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > > >Good Morning Peter! > > > > > >Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity and > >do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow > >too easily together. > > > >I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and > >Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of life > >which has drastically changed. Unfortunately, I cannot think of > >anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the > >civil wars that would erupt from the attempt. > > > >I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very opinionated > >friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas > >that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering the > >consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America) > >should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said and > >where would you go? > >He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as > >yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full- > >blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico, > >Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! Oh no he says, I meant the ones who > >came over recently. Oh, so this isn;t America anymore? If your > >bloodline hasn;t been here for at least 50 years you must leave? > >*sigh* > > > >do people realize what they say when the words come out of their > >mouths? > > > >nikki > >I live in my own little world. But it's okay...they know me here. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 *sigh* unfortunately you cannot capture Bin laden in an election year and there were a lot of al queda captured, but we left them in the afghanistan hands and many many many were released especially the ones with money and laden went to Pakistan in my eyes screwed that up too anywho, been thinking I declare myself a Republican, but don;t follow the party's evil ways well, mostly would never ever declare myself a Democrat fer personal family reasons and I hate the word other so can i be part of the lost party? nikki , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > > thank you george bush... > wot is yer answer dear ian..i know we talked about this before..but i'd like to hear yer opinions again > me, i don't think dropping bombs all over afghanistan proves one thing, besides the fact that the US can do wotever the heck it wants and screw everyone else... > funny..i don't seem to recall many al queda members being captured..i haven't seen Ata or bin laden in prison yet..funny that.... > tho, thousands certainly did die in afghanistan... > fraggle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Good Morning Peter! I replied inside as well: , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Nikki > > > Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity and > > do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow > > too easily together. > > I couldn't agree more. > > I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and > > Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of life > > which has drastically changed. > > Y'know, there are some intriguing loopholes which could do with getting > cleared up as well. For instance - because Washington DC is not in any > state, it is technically exempt from the constitution!! Also, did you know > that printing paper money is against the constitution - it can only be done > in Washington because of the loophole that makes Washington exempt: well, > technically, anyway! WOW! I didn;t realize that! Hmmmm, me thinks I live in the wrong place! > > My favourite, though, is the 16th amendment. For the non-Americans, this is > the amendment which basically allowed for the setting up of the IRS, and is > the entire basis of the current US taxation system. It is actually > unconstitutional as it was only ever ratified by three states!!! Basically, > the American taxation system is based on almost mafia-like enforcement of a > law which was never passed!!! Little do many Americans know, you can get away with not filing taxes if you declare yourself independent i think it is. But than you lose out on any government benefits. Hmmm.... government benefits. Bit of an oxy-moron! > > > Unfortunately, I cannot think of > > anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine the > > civil wars that would erupt from the attempt. > > I vote for Fraggle! :-) Oooohh! I dunno. Love fraggle and his mind and all, great guy and friend, but uh, even that worries me! LoL Tho he would prob do a better job than what we have now! > > > I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very opinionated > > friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas > > that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering the > > consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America) > > should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said and > > where would you go? > > I know what you mean - we have the BNP in the UK. Basically, they are a > party of fascists who want to " re-patriate " all foreigners. When asked to > clarify, it usually turns out that they mean all non-white foreigners. The > sad thing is that some people are *still* stupid enough to fall for the > usual nazi propaganda. My words almost exactly! Nazi propaganda! Who gives anyone the right to say who stays and goes! This land was founded on freedom. No where is there a race written into that! > > There was an interesting late-night programme on the radio a couple of > months ago. According to some research, the population of Europe is > declining at quite an alarming rate - this research suggested that without > immigrants, Europe would be unable to function properly within 100 years. America would be much the same i'm sure! Nikki > > > He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as > > yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full- > > blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico, > > Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! > > Of course, you could go even further, and send all the Native Americans back > too - as they originally came from Europe and Asia. But then the entire > American continent would be left to two 80 year old sisters who are the only > surviving members of the tribes that inhabited America before the NAs > arrived. It's really sad to think that an entire race will be dead within > our lifetime :-( > > But I digress!! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 HEY! No offense Peter and I usually agree with you but this is going TOOO FAR! You just leave Nessie outta this! nikki <giggling> , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Ian > > > Al-Quaeda did what > > they did not to accomplish a foreign policy goal by force majeure, but > > because they don't like America. > > This, of course, assumes that Al Qaeda did anything. It's an unusual > terrorist organisation that performs the largest single terrorist act on a > continent and then denies any involvement. Normally terrorist organisations > are quite proud of their achievements. > > I found it very interesting watching the news for the month after the > attacks. Over the period of the month it went something like this: > > Day one: Nobody knows who's behind this, and nobody is claiming > responsibility. > > Day three: Here are a few organisations who might have been > involved.......(including Al Qaeda)...but we don't know which one. > > Day five: We've narrowed down the suspects, and we think Osama Bin Laden > might be connected - he denies it, and we haven't got any proof. > > Day ten: We know that there were some passengers on the planes with Arab > names, so they must have been the hijackers. This supports the possibility > that an organisation connected with Islam might have had something to do > with it. Al Qaeda are a possibility. > > Day twelve: Al Qaeda are known to dislike America, so we think they might be > involved. We know that they are Arabs, and we know that Arabs were involved. > > Day fifteen: Al Qaeda, the prime suspects in the September 11 terrorist > attacks..... > > Day twenty: Some top bod in America has said that he believes that Al Qaeda > were behind the attacks. > > Day twenty-five: Al Qaeda, who were behind the terrorist attacks.... > > Day thirty: We're going to attack Afghanistan, because we know the Taliban > is connected to Al Qaeda who destroyed the twin towers. > > Fascinating that throughout the whole thing, there has been no evidence > presented to the public to support this argument. The only " evidence " is a > video of someone with a false beard and a teatowel on his head which the > American government claims is Osama Bin Laden. Incidentally, if it is Osama > Bin Laden in the video, then he obviously visits the same plastic surgeon as > Michael Jackson. > > I'm not saying that Al Qaeda aren't a nasty bunch of people - just that the > belief that they were behind September 11 is based on slightly less evidence > than the existence of the Loch Ness Monster. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 *sigh* or just by being told it's the right thing to do! let's go to Rich again, his beef is that the Afghany people are brought up from birth to hate Americans and to kill hmmm..... no proof on this, but even if it is true aren;t most Americans brought up to be racist, greedy, lazy, angry, self-righteous and so on and so on and so on and didn't many Arab-Americans come here to flee their countries beliefs much like my grandparent did who fit into Rich's " white " category who fled the Nazi's and the Russians at the end of the war so we can stay, but they can't! just makes me sick to my stomach nikki - who doesn;t like painting such a bad picture of Rich - the guy is just confused, sense actually can be talked into him, unfortunately he is easily influenced , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Nikki > > > And what I can not possibly fathom is their belief system. > > It's called brain-washing, and has very little to do with belief systems! > Western governments run several high-quality brain-washing programmes. The > best known is MK Ultra. > > Rather frighteningly, humans can be quite easily programmed to kill > themselves (and others) just by hearing or seeing a programmed " trigger " . > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 so can ya have another discussion, because I am unsure too nikki , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > i just had a long discussion with someone who never heard of ML ultra... > wow..thought everyone knew that one.... > fraggle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Thx Geraldine! I appreciate that! nikki , " cav2was7 " <geraldine.mccarthy@n...> wrote: > Hi Nikki, > > I have to say you spoke a lot sense in your post. > > I loved what you wrote at the end " I live in my own little world. > But that's okay... they know me here! How comforting eh!!! > > Geraldine > > > > > > > > > " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > > > > >Good Morning Peter! > > > > > > > > >Yer absolutely right! And until we as a people stand up in unity > and > > >do something about it, it will not happen. Politics and money flow > > >too easily together. > > > > > >I think America personally needs to re-write it's Constitution and > > >Bill of Rights. It was written for our founding fathers way of > life > > >which has drastically changed. Unfortunately, I cannot think of > > >anyone I would trust to rewrite it either and I can only imagine > the > > >civil wars that would erupt from the attempt. > > > > > >I had quite an intense conversation yesterday with a very > opinionated > > >friend of mine. He is truly a wonderful person, but has some ideas > > >that turn me stomach. And he says things not really considering > the > > >consequences nor the truth behind them. He told me we (America) > > >should shut our doors and send back all of the immigrants. I said > and > > >where would you go? > > >He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim > as > > >yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full- > > >blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico, > > >Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! Oh no he says, I meant the ones who > > >came over recently. Oh, so this isn;t America anymore? If your > > >bloodline hasn;t been here for at least 50 years you must leave? > > >*sigh* > > > > > >do people realize what they say when the words come out of their > > >mouths? > > > > > >nikki > > >I live in my own little world. But it's okay...they know me here. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 OOOhh! If it is there can ya post it? Would be neat to see! Nikki , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Hi Lesley > > Was your photo in the paper then? I don't buy papers, so wouldn't have seen > it, but if there is a photo I will try to look at one tomorrow. > > Jo > > > > when a photographer took a photo of is, so there might be a picture > > of us in the Daily Mail today, if anyone sees it I am the one > > with the baby. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Jo, Tis the truth tho - seems everyone has an opinion as long as it doesn't involve them sadly, not many look at the big picture tho nikki , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Nikki > > Good thinking! > > Jo > > > He said, What do ya mean? I said which country would you proclaim as > > yer own, because to send back all the immigrants means only full- > > blooded Native Americans and Mexicans derived from Spain (Mexico, > > Texas, CA, NV etc) could stay! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Jo, So very well put! Thank you! nikki , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > Hi Nikki > > We all need to hope, and there's nothing wrong with dreams either. > > Jo > > > Tis a long way off, but each day gets easier if we try~! > > > > Hugz & Hope, > > > > nikki > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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