Firefighters disciplined for gay parade snub

August 31, 2006

All right folks, opinions please. Do you think they should be punished for their beliefs? Is this PC gone mad - i.e. a service putting on a caring face for the community being seen not to accept intolerance at the expense of its own staff, or are they setting a good example in upholding minority beliefs? A senior firefighter was demoted and eight of his colleagues officially warned today for refusing to hand out safety leaflets at a gay pride march. The nine officers were rapped by Strathclyde Fire and Rescue (SFR) after disobeying orders during the Pride Scotia rally in June. Fire service managers have also ordered the group, from

Glasgow’s Cowcaddens station, to undergo intensive "diversity training" as part of their punishment. The punishment sees one of the men involved, a watch manager, reduced to the rank of crew manager, losing an estimated £5,000 in salary. The others have all received official written warnings about their behaviour. Fire chiefs deliberated about the matter for several days after speaking to four of the men during a final hearing on Monday this week. It followed another disciplinary session last month when the other five officers were questioned. In a strongly worded statement, SFR said the officers’ refusal to hand out the leaflets represented a "fundamental breach of their core responsibilities", adding that they could not "pick and choose" who they offered safety advice to. The statement said: "Firefighters are well aware that fire prevention education and spreading the fire safety message is not a minor part of their job -

it ranks alongside firefighting as a core, statutory duty. "Strathclyde Fire and Rescue gives particular priority to community fire safety because of the urgent need to drive down casualty and fatality rates amongst our communities which still rank as the highest in the UK." It added: "Firefighters cannot, and will not, pick and choose to whom they offer fire safety advice. Strathclyde Fire and Rescue has a responsibility to protect every one of the 2.3 million people it serves, irrespective of race, religion or sexuality." Fire chiefs said that the nine, members of Cowcaddens’ Red Watch, had now accepted that they should have performed their duties at the festival. "Strathclyde Fire and Rescue now regards this issue as closed," the employer added. Some of the officers involved argued at the time of the gay march that it would be embarrassing for them to turn up in uniform to the event, while others claimed it would

contradict their moral beliefs. Under the disciplinary proceedings they could have faced the sack for disobeying orders. The Fire Brigades Union in Scotland refused to comment on today’s outcome, saying it would be waiting until the individual members had been contacted. But its regional chairman, Roddy Robertson, did say that one option for the men would be to appeal against the verdict. He added: "With any disciplinary outcome, it could be subject to an appeal. But we have to wait until the members have been contacted. "We would be unable to comment until the disciplinary process has been exhausted. If the members don’t wish to proceed, then we can make a comment." Before the hearings started last month, Mr Robertson admitted the issue had been "highly controversial". The gay rights campaign group Stonewall Scotland immediately welcomed the verdict, saying that public servants such as firefighters were for the benefit of the whole community. The group's director, Calum Irving, said: "You cannot pick and mix based on the prejudice of employees, especially when you have got publicly-funded employees. I don’t think it’s particularly controversial to ask public servants to do their job. "Lesbian and gay people do pay their taxes as well. The comparison is that if these firefighters had refused to go to a mosque, then people would been outraged."Peter H

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peter VV Aug 31, 2006 2:56 PM Re: Firefighters disciplined for gay parade snub

All right folks, opinions please. Do you think they should be punished for their beliefs? Is this PC gone mad - i.e. a service putting on a caring face for the community being seen not to accept intolerance at the expense of its own staff, or are they setting a good example in upholding minority beliefs?

A senior firefighter was demoted and eight of his colleagues officially warned today for refusing to hand out safety leaflets at a gay pride march.

NI_MPU('middle'); The nine officers were rapped by Strathclyde Fire and Rescue (SFR) after disobeying orders during the Pride Scotia rally in June.

Fire service managers have also ordered the group, from Glasgows Cowcaddens station, to undergo intensive "diversity training" as part of their punishment.

The punishment sees one of the men involved, a watch manager, reduced to the rank of crew manager, losing an estimated £5,000 in salary. The others have all received official written warnings about their behaviour.

Fire chiefs deliberated about the matter for several days after speaking to four of the men during a final hearing on Monday this week. It followed another disciplinary session last month when the other five officers were questioned.

In a strongly worded statement, SFR said the officers refusal to hand out the leaflets represented a "fundamental breach of their core responsibilities", adding that they could not "pick and choose" who they offered safety advice to.

The statement said: "Firefighters are well aware that fire prevention education and spreading the fire safety message is not a minor part of their job - it ranks alongside firefighting as a core, statutory duty.

"Strathclyde Fire and Rescue gives particular priority to community fire safety because of the urgent need to drive down casualty and fatality rates amongst our communities which still rank as the highest in the UK."

It added: "Firefighters cannot, and will not, pick and choose to whom they offer fire safety advice. Strathclyde Fire and Rescue has a responsibility to protect every one of the 2.3 million people it serves, irrespective of race, religion or sexuality."

Fire chiefs said that the nine, members of Cowcaddens Red Watch, had now accepted that they should have performed their duties at the festival. "Strathclyde Fire and Rescue now regards this issue as closed," the employer added.

Some of the officers involved argued at the time of the gay march that it would be embarrassing for them to turn up in uniform to the event, while others claimed it would contradict their moral beliefs.

Under the disciplinary proceedings they could have faced the sack for disobeying orders. The Fire Brigades Union in Scotland refused to comment on todays outcome, saying it would be waiting until the individual members had been contacted.

But its regional chairman, Roddy Robertson, did say that one option for the men would be to appeal against the verdict.

He added: "With any disciplinary outcome, it could be subject to an appeal. But we have to wait until the members have been contacted.

"We would be unable to comment until the disciplinary process has been exhausted. If the members dont wish to proceed, then we can make a comment."

Before the hearings started last month, Mr Robertson admitted the issue had been "highly controversial".

NI_MPU('middle'); The gay rights campaign group Stonewall Scotland immediately welcomed the verdict, saying that public servants such as firefighters were for the benefit of the whole community.

The group's director, Calum Irving, said: "You cannot pick and mix based on the prejudice of employees, especially when you have got publicly-funded employees. I dont think its particularly controversial to ask public servants to do their job.

"Lesbian and gay people do pay their taxes as well. The comparison is that if these firefighters had refused to go to a mosque, then people would been outraged."

Peter H

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August 31, 2006

I certainly wouldnt mind if he didnt want to hand me a leaflet!, I doubt that they ask sexual preferances before they conduct rescues? The Valley Vegan................fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: would you appreciate it if a firefighter didn't want to rescue you because you were vegan? peter VV Aug 31, 2006 2:56 PM Re: Firefighters disciplined for gay parade snub All right folks, opinions please. Do you think they should be punished for their beliefs? Is this PC gone mad -

i.e. a service putting on a caring face for the community being seen not to accept intolerance at the expense of its own staff, or are they setting a good example in upholding minority beliefs? A senior firefighter was demoted and eight of his colleagues officially warned today for refusing to hand out safety leaflets at a gay pride march. NI_MPU('middle'); The nine officers were rapped by Strathclyde Fire and Rescue (SFR) after disobeying orders during the Pride Scotia rally in June. Fire service managers have also ordered the group, from Glasgow’s Cowcaddens station, to undergo intensive "diversity training" as part of their punishment. The punishment sees one of the men involved, a watch manager, reduced to the rank of crew manager, losing an estimated £5,000 in salary. The others have all received official written warnings about their behaviour. Fire chiefs deliberated about the matter for several days after speaking to four of the men during a final hearing on Monday this week. It followed another disciplinary session last month when the other five officers were questioned. In a strongly worded statement, SFR said the officers’ refusal to hand out the leaflets represented a "fundamental breach of their core responsibilities", adding that they could not "pick and choose" who they offered safety advice to. The statement said: "Firefighters are well aware that fire prevention education and spreading the fire safety message is not a minor part of their job - it ranks alongside firefighting as a core, statutory duty. "Strathclyde Fire and Rescue gives

particular priority to community fire safety because of the urgent need to drive down casualty and fatality rates amongst our communities which still rank as the highest in the UK." It added: "Firefighters cannot, and will not, pick and choose to whom they offer fire safety advice. Strathclyde Fire and Rescue has a responsibility to protect every one of the 2.3 million people it serves, irrespective of race, religion or sexuality." Fire chiefs said that the nine, members of Cowcaddens’ Red Watch, had now accepted that they should have performed their duties at the festival. "Strathclyde Fire and Rescue now regards this issue as closed," the employer added. Some of the officers involved argued at the time of the gay march that it would be embarrassing for them to turn up in uniform to the event, while others claimed it would contradict their moral beliefs. Under the disciplinary proceedings they could have faced the sack for

disobeying orders. The Fire Brigades Union in Scotland refused to comment on today’s outcome, saying it would be waiting until the individual members had been contacted. But its regional chairman, Roddy Robertson, did say that one option for the men would be to appeal against the verdict. He added: "With any disciplinary outcome, it could be subject to an appeal. But we have to wait until the members have been contacted. "We would be unable to comment until the disciplinary process has been exhausted. If the members don’t wish to proceed, then we can make a comment." Before the hearings started last month, Mr Robertson admitted the issue had been "highly controversial". NI_MPU('middle'); The gay rights campaign group Stonewall Scotland immediately welcomed the verdict, saying that public servants such as firefighters were for the benefit of the whole community. The group's director, Calum Irving, said: "You cannot pick and mix based on the prejudice of employees, especially when you have got publicly-funded employees. I don’t think it’s particularly controversial to ask public servants to do their job. "Lesbian and gay people do pay their taxes as well. The comparison is that if these firefighters had refused to go to a mosque, then people would been outraged." Peter H All new Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine If George Bush said that the Earth was flat, the headline would read, "Views Differ on Shape of the Earth"Peter H

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August 31, 2006

Hi Peter

I was surprised that they handed out leaflets anywhere. I thought they were employed to put out fires, attend road accidents and rescue cats from trees etc.

If they hand out leaflets as part of their job normally, then I think they should also hand them out at the Gay Pride march.

Jo

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peter VV

Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:56 PM

Re: Firefighters disciplined for gay parade snub

All right folks, opinions please. Do you think they should be punished for their beliefs? Is this PC gone mad - i.e. a service putting on a caring face for the community being seen not to accept intolerance at the expense of its own staff, or are they setting a good example in upholding minority beliefs?

A senior firefighter was demoted and eight of his colleagues officially warned today for refusing to hand out safety leaflets at a gay pride march.

The nine officers were rapped by Strathclyde Fire and Rescue (SFR) after disobeying orders during the Pride Scotia rally in June.

Fire service managers have also ordered the group, from Glasgow’s Cowcaddens station, to undergo intensive "diversity training" as part of their punishment.

The punishment sees one of the men involved, a watch manager, reduced to the rank of crew manager, losing an estimated £5,000 in salary. The others have all received official written warnings about their behaviour.

Fire chiefs deliberated about the matter for several days after speaking to four of the men during a final hearing on Monday this week. It followed another disciplinary session last month when the other five officers were questioned.

In a strongly worded statement, SFR said the officers’ refusal to hand out the leaflets represented a "fundamental breach of their core responsibilities", adding that they could not "pick and choose" who they offered safety advice to.

The statement said: "Firefighters are well aware that fire prevention education and spreading the fire safety message is not a minor part of their job - it ranks alongside firefighting as a core, statutory duty.

"Strathclyde Fire and Rescue gives particular priority to community fire safety because of the urgent need to drive down casualty and fatality rates amongst our communities which still rank as the highest in the UK."

It added: "Firefighters cannot, and will not, pick and choose to whom they offer fire safety advice. Strathclyde Fire and Rescue has a responsibility to protect every one of the 2.3 million people it serves, irrespective of race, religion or sexuality."

Fire chiefs said that the nine, members of Cowcaddens’ Red Watch, had now accepted that they should have performed their duties at the festival. "Strathclyde Fire and Rescue now regards this issue as closed," the employer added.

Some of the officers involved argued at the time of the gay march that it would be embarrassing for them to turn up in uniform to the event, while others claimed it would contradict their moral beliefs.

Under the disciplinary proceedings they could have faced the sack for disobeying orders. The Fire Brigades Union in Scotland refused to comment on today’s outcome, saying it would be waiting until the individual members had been contacted.

But its regional chairman, Roddy Robertson, did say that one option for the men would be to appeal against the verdict.

He added: "With any disciplinary outcome, it could be subject to an appeal. But we have to wait until the members have been contacted.

"We would be unable to comment until the disciplinary process has been exhausted. If the members don’t wish to proceed, then we can make a comment."

Before the hearings started last month, Mr Robertson admitted the issue had been "highly controversial".

The gay rights campaign group Stonewall Scotland immediately welcomed the verdict, saying that public servants such as firefighters were for the benefit of the whole community.

The group's director, Calum Irving, said: "You cannot pick and mix based on the prejudice of employees, especially when you have got publicly-funded employees. I don’t think it’s particularly controversial to ask public servants to do their job.

"Lesbian and gay people do pay their taxes as well. The comparison is that if these firefighters had refused to go to a mosque, then people would been outraged."

Peter H

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The firefighters did say they would rescue anyone - I think it was just attending the parade to hand out leaflets that they weren't keen on.

Jo

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fraggle

Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:07 PM