thanxfernuthin

[Guest guest]

ok all you yanks out there

that time of yer where the whole nation goes ga-ga over the remains of a

slughtered bird..where families gather to argue over processed cranberries and

remind themselves why they don't talk to uncle carl....

anyways...just wondering

wot do ya'll do this time of year?

family?

wot sorta meal if any do you prepare

how vegan friendly are yer surroundings...

 

from past years, this time of year seems to be dealt with extreme dread by most

vegans

has anything changed fer anyone? do you have a good time? have you gotten yer

points out to others? er is just hittin yer head against the wall, er just

hiding and lookin at the abked potato on yer plate?

 

fraggle

 

" Just as nightfall does not come at once, neither

does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such

twilight

that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become

unwilling victims of the darkness. "

William O. Douglas

[Guest guest]

On the family end the last few years we have been having

Thanksgiving at home with my Dad and sometimes DH's Mom due to not

talking to alot of family members.

 

This year my Dad will come over and all but me will have a usual

Thanksgiving with a turkey and stuffing, but almost all else is made

vegan. Not sure what I will make for myself yet. Thankfully DH

handles the carnivores meals.

 

On my side we'll probably have a nice stir-fry, mashed potatoes,

grilled veggies of some sort, asparagus, corn, pumpkin pie (have a

to find a good vegan recipe, hint hint), fresh baked bread, and who

knows what else.

 

We'll plan it a couple days in advance and get a grocery list going.

 

Maybe play some cards after. Nothing too fancy, just a relaxing

family get-to-gether for us.

 

Nikki

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> ok all you yanks out there

> that time of yer where the whole nation goes ga-ga over the

remains of a slughtered bird..where families gather to argue over

processed cranberries and remind themselves why they don't talk to

uncle carl....

> anyways...just wondering

> wot do ya'll do this time of year?

> family?

> wot sorta meal if any do you prepare

> how vegan friendly are yer surroundings...

>

> from past years, this time of year seems to be dealt with extreme

dread by most vegans

> has anything changed fer anyone? do you have a good time? have you

gotten yer points out to others? er is just hittin yer head against

the wall, er just hiding and lookin at the abked potato on yer plate?

>

> fraggle

>

> " Just as nightfall does not come at once, neither

> does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is

in such twilight

> that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight -

lest we become

> unwilling victims of the darkness. "

> William O. Douglas

>

[Guest guest]

and ........ how do you cook and serve your potatotes?

 

Jo

 

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Friday, November 11, 2005 6:53 PM

thanxfernuthin

 

 

> ok all you yanks out there

> that time of yer where the whole nation goes ga-ga over the remains of a

slughtered bird..where families gather to argue over processed cranberries

and remind themselves why they don't talk to uncle carl....

> anyways...just wondering

> wot do ya'll do this time of year?

> family?

> wot sorta meal if any do you prepare

> how vegan friendly are yer surroundings...

>

> from past years, this time of year seems to be dealt with extreme dread by

most vegans

> has anything changed fer anyone? do you have a good time? have you gotten

yer points out to others? er is just hittin yer head against the wall, er

just hiding and lookin at the abked potato on yer plate?

>

> fraggle

>

> " Just as nightfall does not come at once, neither

> does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such

twilight

> that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we

become

> unwilling victims of the darkness. "

> William O. Douglas

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

me? not abig fan of baked potatoes really..

like em fried er mashed

but my comment was based on the fact of a million stories i've heard..where

every thanxfernuthin some poor vegan sits at the family dinner table..and stares

at the baked potato, as its the only thing they can eat...

fraggle

 

 

jo <jo.heartwork

Nov 11, 2005 11:18 AM

 

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

and ........ how do you cook and serve your potatotes?

 

Jo

 

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Friday, November 11, 2005 6:53 PM

thanxfernuthin

 

 

> ok all you yanks out there

> that time of yer where the whole nation goes ga-ga over the remains of a

slughtered bird..where families gather to argue over processed cranberries

and remind themselves why they don't talk to uncle carl....

> anyways...just wondering

> wot do ya'll do this time of year?

> family?

> wot sorta meal if any do you prepare

> how vegan friendly are yer surroundings...

>

> from past years, this time of year seems to be dealt with extreme dread by

most vegans

> has anything changed fer anyone? do you have a good time? have you gotten

yer points out to others? er is just hittin yer head against the wall, er

just hiding and lookin at the abked potato on yer plate?

>

> fraggle

>

> " Just as nightfall does not come at once, neither

> does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such

twilight

> that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we

become

> unwilling victims of the darkness. "

> William O. Douglas

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

That does sound yummy.

 

BB

Jo

 

-

" earthstrm " <earthstorm

 

Friday, November 11, 2005 7:34 PM

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

 

> Hi Jo

>

> Mashed with soy butter and soy milk. Or baked a bit in the oven and

> the pop on the grill. I put soy butter and salt on mine.

>

> Last night we had potatoe squares (like a hash brown) baked. We put a

> bit of olive oil and melted soy butter in a bag with some rosemary and

> a touch of basil. Cut the potatoes into little squares. Put them into

> the bag and shook it up. Spread em on a baking sheet and baked em till

> brown. YUMMY!

>

> BB

> Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hey Fraggle

 

> me? not abig fan of baked potatoes really..

 

Aaahhhh - a non believer... burn him, burn him...

 

> like em fried er mashed

 

It's worse than I thought... a heretic!

 

Peter

Grand Inquisitor General for the Order of the Baked Potato :-)

[Guest guest]

at least you didn't want to build a bridge out of me

 

wot else do you burn besides witches? more witches!!! wood!!

 

and no..that wasn't a slight at all the fine witches on this list...before ya'll

get yer undies in a bunch...

i wish i didn't have 9 billion things to do tonite..i want to watch monty python

now

 

 

Peter <metalscarab

Nov 11, 2005 2:51 PM

 

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

Hey Fraggle

 

> me? not abig fan of baked potatoes really..

 

Aaahhhh - a non believer... burn him, burn him...

 

> like em fried er mashed

 

It's worse than I thought... a heretic!

 

Peter

Grand Inquisitor General for the Order of the Baked Potato :-)

 

 

 

 

To send an email to -

 

[Guest guest]

She turned me into a newt!................................I got better?

 

The Valley Vegan.............

Things you did`nt know about Wales No.2

 

The first country in the world to move into the Iron Age in 1000 BC. fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

at least you didn't want to build a bridge out of mewot else do you burn besides witches? more witches!!! wood!!and no..that wasn't a slight at all the fine witches on this list...before ya'll get yer undies in a bunch...i wish i didn't have 9 billion things to do tonite..i want to watch monty python nowPeter Nov 11, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: thanxfernuthinHey Fraggle> me? not abig fan of baked potatoes really..Aaahhhh - a non believer... burn him, burn him...> like em fried er mashedIt's worse than I thought... a heretic!PeterGrand Inquisitor General for the Order of the Baked Potato :-)To send an email to -

 

[Guest guest]

Is that your title you go under when practising your Wiccan/Pagan rituals?

 

 

The Valley Vegan.....................

Things you did`nt know about Wales No.4

St David's is the smallest city in Europe. Peter <metalscarab wrote:

Hey Fraggle> me? not abig fan of baked potatoes really..Aaahhhh - a non believer... burn him, burn him...> like em fried er mashedIt's worse than I thought... a heretic!PeterGrand Inquisitor General for the Order of the Baked Potato :-)

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> Is that your title you go under when practising your Wiccan/Pagan rituals?

 

Well, I don't practice Wiccan rituals, since I'm not Wiccan... but it's actually the title bestowed upon me by the Grand Order For the Preservation of Baked Potato Eating.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Do you have a special jacket for that?

 

The Valley Vegan............

Things You Did`nt know about Wales No.6

 

According to the latest research, Jesus' grandmother (Mary's mother) was Welsh! Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> Is that your title you go under when practising your Wiccan/Pagan rituals?

 

Well, I don't practice Wiccan rituals, since I'm not Wiccan... but it's actually the title bestowed upon me by the Grand Order For the Preservation of Baked Potato Eating.

 

BB

PeterPeter H

 

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[Guest guest]

I think that if a person is continously grateful..

everyday thankful and humble and appreciative..

that becomes(hopefully) part of their personality

and needn't take one day of the year to express that.

 

That is what I aim.. to never take anything for granted.

Thanksfornothing is a farce, I see a lot of hipocrosy

and you needent kill a bird to be grateful. it's sick.

 

I will not celebrate it.. I guess it is easy for me

since i am neither pilgrim nor native indian

 

either way, being humble everyday is the best thing.

 

I will however celebrate THE FALL/AUTOUM. We must Celebrate the seasons..

embrace change.

 

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> ok all you yanks out there

> that time of yer where the whole nation goes ga-ga over the remains

of a slughtered bird..where families gather to argue over processed c

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki,

 

Sounds like a yummy meal..

I love the idea of being relaxed enough with your relatives to just

play cards..

 

good for zak to see everyone

 

 

, " earthstrm " <earthstorm@c...> wrote:

>

> On the family end the last few years we have been having

> Thanksgiving at home with my Dad and sometimes DH's Mom due to not

> talking to alot of family members.

>

> This year my Dad will come over and all but me will have a usual

> Thanksgiving with a turkey and stuffing, but almost all else is made

> vegan. Not sure what I will make for myself yet. Thankfully DH

> handles the carnivores meals.

>

> On my side we'll probably have a nice stir-fry, mashed potatoes,

> grilled veggies of some sort, asparagus, corn, pumpkin pie (have a

> to find a good vegan recipe, hint hint), fresh baked bread, and who

> knows what else.

>

> We'll plan it a couple days in advance and get a grocery list going.

>

> Maybe play some cards after. Nothing too fancy, just a relaxing

> family get-to-gether for us.

>

> Nikki

>

> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> >

> > ok all you yanks out there

> > that time of yer where the whole nation goes ga-ga over the

> remains of a slughtered bird..where families gather to argue over

> processed cranberries and remind themselves why they don't talk to

> uncle carl....

> > anyways...just wondering

> > wot do ya'll do this time of year?

> > family?

> > wot sorta meal if any do you prepare

> > how vegan friendly are yer surroundings...

> >

> > from past years, this time of year seems to be dealt with extreme

> dread by most vegans

> > has anything changed fer anyone? do you have a good time? have you

> gotten yer points out to others? er is just hittin yer head against

> the wall, er just hiding and lookin at the abked potato on yer plate?

> >

> > fraggle

> >

> > " Just as nightfall does not come at once, neither

> > does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is

> in such twilight

> > that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight -

> lest we become

> > unwilling victims of the darkness. "

> > William O. Douglas

> >

>

[Guest guest]

olive oil and garlic!!

 

 

, " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

>

> and ........ how do you cook and serve your potatotes?

>

> Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have never tried that, sounds good!

 

 

, " earthstrm " <earthstorm@c...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> Mashed with soy butter and soy milk. Or baked a bit in the oven and

> the pop on the grill. I put soy butter and salt on mine.

>

> Last night we had potatoe squares (like a hash brown) baked. We put a

> bit of olive oil and melted soy butter in a bag with some rosemary and

> a touch of basil. Cut the potatoes into little squares. Put them into

> the bag and shook it up. Spread em on a baking sheet and baked em till

> brown. YUMMY!

[Guest guest]

we must?

 

 

Anouk Sickler <zurumato

Nov 16, 2005 12:09 PM

 

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

 

I will however celebrate THE FALL/AUTOUM. We must Celebrate the seasons..

embrace change.

 

 

 

Don't need no politician

Tell me things I ought to be

Neither no optician

Tell me what I ought to see

No one tells you nothing

Even when you know they know

They tell you what you should be

They don't like to see you grow

[Guest guest]

Hi Anouk

 

I agree. After many years as a kid running from Gramma to Gramma on

holidays. Then when Zak was born, both DH and I have divorced

parents, so every holiday was a week long of running. My Gramma's,

his dad, his Mom, my dad and occasionally my Mom.

 

Finally now it is held here and my dad comes over. And we sit, eat,

relax, chit chat, play cards and just have a nice get-together.

 

For Thanksgiving we use to go to his Mom's the weekend before, then

on Thanksgiving his Dad's and then My Gramma, day after Thanksgiving

had my dad and his dad and wife over, then the weekend after if my

Mom couldn't make it to my Gramma's we went there. FORGET IT! It

became a chore and not a fun, relaxing family event.

 

Now that we have lost the majority of the family through moves and

disagreements, we just do Holidays here with my Dad. And we actually

have a nice time.

 

Nikki

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Nikki,

>

> Sounds like a yummy meal..

> I love the idea of being relaxed enough with your relatives to

just

> play cards..

>

> good for zak to see everyone

[Guest guest]

you musn't if you don't want to,

just a suggestion.

 

I find it fascinatin how it is spring right now in south america

and fall right now in north america.

 

 

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> we must?

>

>

> Anouk Sickler <zurumato@e...>

> Nov 16, 2005 12:09 PM

>

> Re: thanxfernuthin

>

>

> I will however celebrate THE FALL/AUTOUM. We must Celebrate the

seasons..

> embrace change.

>

>

>

> Don't need no politician

> Tell me things I ought to be

> Neither no optician

> Tell me what I ought to see

> No one tells you nothing

> Even when you know they know

> They tell you what you should be

> They don't like to see you grow

>

[Guest guest]

Its that time of year again where intensively produced turkeys are shitting themselves, in anticipation of the mass slaughter to follow their short lifespans. What I dont understand is this traditional nonsense, where no-one buys turkey for 11 months a year, then everybody has a corpse for chrimbo, why? Sadly my complaints ( and those of my daughters ) fall on deaf ears with my wife..............sigh............. The Valley Vegan..............Peter H

 

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[Guest guest]

commercial tradition

here of course it thanxfernuthin...

x-mas was always dead pig...ham....

ugh....

peter VV Nov 14, 2006 10:55 AM Re: thanxfernuthin

Its that time of year again where intensively produced turkeys are shitting themselves, in anticipation of the mass slaughter to follow their short lifespans.

What I dont understand is this traditional nonsense, where no-one buys turkey for 11 months a year, then everybody has a corpse for chrimbo, why?

Sadly my complaints ( and those of my daughters ) fall on deaf ears with my wife..............sigh.............

 

The Valley Vegan..............

Peter H

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I just joined the vegan chat list a few days ago, but I had to chime in on this one. I'm a member of another list in which I mentioned in a recent post (responding to another vegan's lament) that one of the things I really hate about "thanksgiving" is seeing little kids, namely my nieces, tearing at the body parts of a poor chemical-and hormone-laced turkey mutant. Then, I mentioned the wild turkeys that live on our land and how magnificent they are, how they can even fly, etc. It was a pretty innocuous post as posts go, but I got flamed pretty viciously in private for even mentioning the word "vegan." So these good people will go ahead and have their chemical butterballs and try to forget about my evil, inconveniently truthful post......it reminds me of this woman my sister went to school with who announced one day that seeing a homeless person digging through a garbage can had spoiled her whole afternoon....

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

 

-

peter VV

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:55 PM

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

 

 

Its that time of year again where intensively produced turkeys are shitting themselves, in anticipation of the mass slaughter to follow their short lifespans.

What I dont understand is this traditional nonsense, where no-one buys turkey for 11 months a year, then everybody has a corpse for chrimbo, why?

Sadly my complaints ( and those of my daughters ) fall on deaf ears with my wife..............sigh.............

 

The Valley Vegan..............

Peter H

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

welcome carolyn

 

its a sad truth that people get wrapped up in their own worlds, and hate to have anything "rock the boat"

if something comes along that questions or makes them look at their belief systems, they generally get all up in arms

few like to be questioned..........

Carolyn MFEMF Nov 14, 2006 12:46 PM Re: thanxfernuthin

 

I just joined the vegan chat list a few days ago, but I had to chime in on this one. I'm a member of another list in which I mentioned in a recent post (responding to another vegan's lament) that one of the things I really hate about "thanksgiving" is seeing little kids, namely my nieces, tearing at the body parts of a poor chemical-and hormone-laced turkey mutant. Then, I mentioned the wild turkeys that live on our land and how magnificent they are, how they can even fly, etc. It was a pretty innocuous post as posts go, but I got flamed pretty viciously in private for even mentioning the word "vegan." So these good people will go ahead and have their chemical butterballs and try to forget about my evil, inconveniently truthful post......it reminds me of this woman my sister went to school with who announced one day that seeing a homeless person digging through a garbage can had spoiled her whole afternoon....

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

 

-

peter VV

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:55 PM

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

 

 

Its that time of year again where intensively produced turkeys are shitting themselves, in anticipation of the mass slaughter to follow their short lifespans.

What I dont understand is this traditional nonsense, where no-one buys turkey for 11 months a year, then everybody has a corpse for chrimbo, why?

Sadly my complaints ( and those of my daughters ) fall on deaf ears with my wife..............sigh.............

 

The Valley Vegan..............

Peter H

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

hi carolyn,

i get that all the time in other gruops

I belong to a gardening one and an earth mommmy one.

 

they claim to be liberal and acepting but when I say anything

that is questioning or different, they want to kill me.

 

I try being super polite but they still hate me.

now I say nothing.

 

I think that vegans get that all the time, in life or online.

 

because I have taken a stand to not hurt other beings,

they believe that I am a walking statement of " I am morally superior "

but really, I am just a person who is learning all the time

not superior.

 

-anouk

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn, Reality sucks and so does striking a chord no matter how small with peoples conciences. Shit happens, accpet it and deal with it and try and do something about it, unfortunately a alot of people are too far up their own backsides to care about anything other than their own consumer driven lifestyles............mindsets are strange things. The Valley Vegan.................Carolyn MFEMF <wordwerks wrote: I just joined the vegan chat list a few days ago, but I had to chime in on this one. I'm a member of another list in which I mentioned in a recent post (responding to another vegan's lament) that one of the things I really hate about "thanksgiving" is seeing little kids, namely my nieces, tearing at the body parts of a poor chemical-and hormone-laced turkey mutant. Then, I mentioned the wild turkeys that live on our land and how magnificent they are, how they can even fly, etc. It was a pretty innocuous post as posts go, but I got flamed pretty viciously in private for even mentioning the word "vegan." So these good people will go ahead and have their chemical butterballs and try to forget about my evil, inconveniently truthful post......it reminds me of this woman my sister went to school with who announced one day that seeing a homeless person digging through a garbage can had spoiled her whole

afternoon.... Carolyn - peter VV Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:55 PM Re: thanxfernuthin Its that time of year again where intensively produced turkeys are shitting themselves, in anticipation of the mass slaughter to follow their short lifespans. What I dont understand is this traditional nonsense,

where no-one buys turkey for 11 months a year, then everybody has a corpse for chrimbo, why? Sadly my complaints ( and those of my daughters ) fall on deaf ears with my wife..............sigh............. The Valley Vegan.............. Peter H All new Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine Peter H

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Hi Peter

 

Usually the people who buy a turkey for Chirstmas are spending the rest of the year buying other animals to eat. It's not like they are veggie/vegan all year and then decide to have a turkey.

 

Jo

 

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peter VV

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:55 PM

Re: thanxfernuthin

 

Its that time of year again where intensively produced turkeys are shitting themselves, in anticipation of the mass slaughter to follow their short lifespans.

What I dont understand is this traditional nonsense, where no-one buys turkey for 11 months a year, then everybody has a corpse for chrimbo, why?

Sadly my complaints ( and those of my daughters ) fall on deaf ears with my wife..............sigh.............

 

The Valley Vegan..............

Peter H

 

 

 

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