Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter / Peter (VV) I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years? Jo , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > > Hi Peter > > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha > > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon. > > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well. > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 HI Peter When we saw them they were excellent - maybe it's just that Peter (VV) doesn't like their music, so doesn't recognise their worth. BB Jo , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > > Hi Peter > > > Oh my, ( I still have a cassete single of 747 strangers in the night somewhere, is it worth anything?). Sorry shouldnt scoff, > > but they werent exactly brilliant were they? > > I think you confuse music quality with production quality... they really did have some pretty bad production on their early stuff, but the music was always very good, and they're excellent live. Of course, their more recent albums are much better produced. > > BB > Peter > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter They are nothing like Def Leppard. So other than Iron Maiden, who do they remind you of??? Off-hand, I can't think of any other bands. Maybe some prog went stale, but being prog a lot of it sort of ..... progressed! I can think of lots of different bands in the prog rock/metal field who have different styles to each other. Maybe it is just that you are unaware of their existence (my introduction to drums was hearing a ten-minute drum solo by Gene Krupa when I was very young). As for long guitar and drum solos - some of us enjoy them, just as some others may enjoy political lyrics being shouted out in an aggressive manner (and some of us may not!). Musical masturbation - what point are you trying to make - do you think musicians should not enjoy what they are doing? As for Johnny Cash etc. There will always be some people more famous than others but fame has nothing to do with quality, and it is not only the most famous bands/people in the world who give pleasure to people. Musical heritage - mmmmm! Why does there need to be a musical heritage? Jo , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > My problem with them was they were like every other band around at the time, only not in the same league as the likes of Iron Maiden an Def Lepard, neither of whom I was partial to. It is probably because around that time my music tastes shifted somewhat, and I stopped listening to new rock bands and sort of went punk/indie-ish. A lot of prog rock just got stale for me around that time too, you know the sort of thing, 12 minute guitar solos, oooh a 15 minute drum solo, ooh thats original, just seemed to be the equivalent of musical masturbation to me . Just my opinion tis all. > Oh and by the way, I doubt whether any of the bands of that ilk ( Saxon/Magnum et all ) will ever be as legendary/infamous as the likes of Johnny Cash, whos musical heritage goes back to Sun Records with Elvis etc . Not that I like JC much anyhoo. > > The Valley Vegan............ > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > They were good enough to be enjoyable - not as good as some - better than others. When I saw them about five years ago they were pretty good. Scoff away though - that's how I feel about Johnny Cash etc. > > Jo > - > peter hurd > > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:44 PM > Re: First Gigs... > > > Oh my, ( I still have a cassete single of 747 strangers in the night somewhere, is it worth anything?). Sorry shouldnt scoff, but they werent exactly brilliant were they? > > The Valley Vegan.......... > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > Why would they stop????? > > of course Saxon are still going - they're touring at present. > > Jo > - > peter hurd > > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:28 PM > Re: First Gigs... > > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha > > The Valley Vegan............ > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > They get together every couple of years or so to make an album and tour. They are not that old though - not as old as me - so why wouldn't they still be going? Bob Catley also does solo stuff which is also good. > > Jo > - > peter hurd > > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:15 PM > Re: First Gigs... > > > Magnum? ha ha ha ha ha, are they still going? > > The Valley Vegan............. > > Peter <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > > Mine was Def Leppard and I think I was 11 or something. The Hysteria > > tour. My older cousins took me. Quite uneventful but exciting at the > > time. Especially when the ladies bathroom had a line so we ventured > > into the mens. Twas a long ride there and we had to go and the men's > > room was empty. > > IIRC my first gig was The Flying Pickets... but that was well over 100 gigs > ago... last one was last night, Spock's Beard... then 3 next week (Dio and 2 > Dream Theater gigs), two a couple of weeks later (Stratovarius / Hammerfall > and Royal Hunt), then a couple in December (Magnum and Vaughn)... I honestly > *don't* spend my entire life going to gigs!!!! > > BB > Peter > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that can make a guitar "sing" is Lang. Lynda - peter hurd Monday, October 17, 2005 3:13 PM Re: First Gigs... Yep I was brought up on those "old school" bands zep/purple etc, never realy got into priest/maiden. Those bands just didnt seem to have the vituoso guitarists the likes of Page or Blackmore. The Valley Vegan............... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Speaking of musical quality, Quiz for the day: Present: Best voice Best guitarist Best bassist Best drummer Best keyboardist Best lyricist Past: Best voice Best guitarist Best bassist Best drummer Best keyboardist Best lyricist > > Nah , I was talking musical quality. > > The Valley Vegan............. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Muscial masturbation is a term that musicians came up with decades ago to describe glory hound soloists for hogged time in recordings and live gigs. Sure some folks enjoyed those solos but in general, their fellow band members AND audiences weren't that impressed and it was all about stroking their own egos and are like those gratuitous sex scenes in movies which add nothing to the plot and are simply there to be there. And what you don't seem to get about JC is he isn't about being famous he is about being a part of history and his music which he and his wife wrote, tell a part of history which will live on long past most of the bands that most of us have listened to. When he sang he wasn't just singing, he felt the songs, he was the songs. If you don't get it, you don't get it. He didn't have a great voice but it never was about his voice. Lynda - " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > Hi Peter > > They are nothing like Def Leppard. So other than Iron Maiden, who do > they remind you of??? Off-hand, I can't think of any other bands. > > Maybe some prog went stale, but being prog a lot of it sort of ..... > progressed! I can think of lots of different bands in the prog > rock/metal field who have different styles to each other. Maybe it > is just that you are unaware of their existence (my introduction to > drums was hearing a ten-minute drum solo by Gene Krupa when I was > very young). As for long guitar and drum solos - some of us enjoy > them, just as some others may enjoy political lyrics being shouted > out in an aggressive manner (and some of us may not!). Musical > masturbation - what point are you trying to make - do you think > musicians should not enjoy what they are doing? > > As for Johnny Cash etc. There will always be some people more famous > than others but fame has nothing to do with quality, and it is not > only the most famous bands/people in the world who give pleasure to > people. Musical heritage - mmmmm! Why does there need to be a > musical heritage? > > Jo > > > > , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: >> >> My problem with them was they were like every other band around at > the time, only not in the same league as the likes of Iron Maiden an > Def Lepard, neither of whom I was partial to. It is probably because > around that time my music tastes shifted somewhat, and I stopped > listening to new rock bands and sort of went punk/indie-ish. A lot of > prog rock just got stale for me around that time too, you know the > sort of thing, 12 minute guitar solos, oooh a 15 minute drum solo, > ooh thats original, just seemed to be the equivalent of musical > masturbation to me . Just my opinion tis all. >> Oh and by the way, I doubt whether any of the bands of that ilk ( > Saxon/Magnum et all ) will ever be as legendary/infamous as the likes > of Johnny Cash, whos musical heritage goes back to Sun Records with > Elvis etc . Not that I like JC much anyhoo. >> >> The Valley Vegan............ >> >> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: >> They were good enough to be enjoyable - not as good as some - > better than others. When I saw them about five years ago they were > pretty good. Scoff away though - that's how I feel about Johnny Cash > etc. >> >> Jo >> - >> peter hurd >> >> Monday, October 17, 2005 9:44 PM >> Re: First Gigs... >> >> >> Oh my, ( I still have a cassete single of 747 strangers in the > night somewhere, is it worth anything?). Sorry shouldnt scoff, but > they werent exactly brilliant were they? >> >> The Valley Vegan.......... >> >> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: >> Why would they stop????? >> >> of course Saxon are still going - they're touring at present. >> >> Jo >> - >> peter hurd >> >> Monday, October 17, 2005 9:28 PM >> Re: First Gigs... >> >> >> Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon > are still going! ha ha >> >> The Valley Vegan............ >> >> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: >> They get together every couple of years or so to make an album and > tour. They are not that old though - not as old as me - so why > wouldn't they still be going? Bob Catley also does solo stuff which > is also good. >> >> Jo >> - >> peter hurd >> >> Monday, October 17, 2005 9:15 PM >> Re: First Gigs... >> >> >> Magnum? ha ha ha ha ha, are they still going? >> >> The Valley Vegan............. >> >> Peter <metalscarab@g...> wrote: >> > Mine was Def Leppard and I think I was 11 or something. The > Hysteria >> > tour. My older cousins took me. Quite uneventful but exciting at > the >> > time. Especially when the ladies bathroom had a line so we > ventured >> > into the mens. Twas a long ride there and we had to go and the > men's >> > room was empty. >> >> IIRC my first gig was The Flying Pickets... but that was well over > 100 gigs >> ago... last one was last night, Spock's Beard... then 3 next week > (Dio and 2 >> Dream Theater gigs), two a couple of weeks later (Stratovarius / > Hammerfall >> and Royal Hunt), then a couple in December (Magnum and Vaughn)... I > honestly >> *don't* spend my entire life going to gigs!!!! >> >> BB >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> To send an email to - > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 please don't take any offense to this jo(er peter!)(er anyone else fer that matter) but going to a show with my father as a teen would be just..beyond weird! and..as fer today...i moved 3000 miles away from my father back in the mid 80's... he is now about 1000 miles away..but..still...kinda far to commute fer a show! and no, we have not much musical tastes in common.... tho he did like the ramones heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 17, 2005 11:43 PM Re: First Gigs... Is that cos you don't like the same music as your family or cos you don't get on with them? Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > oh dear > i went to johnny cash with my step mother and grandmother...but i was 7 > think thats the only time i went with parental units > > no..wait..i saw the righteous brothers some time after like..when i was like 10..... > > but..everything else was *alone*...with friends and such...but.... > > > Peter <metalscarab@g...> > Oct 17, 2005 12:45 PM > > Re: First Gigs... > > Hi Fraggle > > > first one i went to on my own? some metal band in like 1979..called > eyes.... > > Depends what you mean by " on your own " ... I've never been to a gig alone. > First one without my parents was ever such a long time ago... March 2005 to > be precise.... Incubus Succubus. :-) > > BB > Peter > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 hopefully they do!!! depends...some bands hang on ferever..some burn brightly and vanish in a flash personally..i like when bands come roaring up, and then implode... then again..i saw the vibrators last nite fraggle heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 17, 2005 11:46 PM Re: First Gigs... Hi Peter / Peter (VV) I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years? Jo , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote: > > Hi Peter > > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha > > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon. > > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well. > > BB > Peter > To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 depends on wot you mean by good i like three cords, thank you very much.... Lynda Oct 18, 2005 8:56 AM Re: First Gigs... Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that can make a guitar "sing" is Lang. Lynda - peter hurd Monday, October 17, 2005 3:13 PM Re: First Gigs... Yep I was brought up on those "old school" bands zep/purple etc, never realy got into priest/maiden. Those bands just didnt seem to have the vituoso guitarists the likes of Page or Blackmore. The Valley Vegan............... To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter > My problem with them was they were like every other band around at the time, only not in the same league as the likes of > Iron Maiden an Def Lepard, neither of whom I was partial to. I'm not a huge fan of Saxon, but do appreciate their music when I hear it. The real question is... which one were they like? Iron Maiden or Def Leppard... I mean, the two are wiles apart in terms of style. Maiden are classic NWOBHM, Def Leppard are much more heavy rock. > Oh and by the way, I doubt whether any of the bands of that ilk ( Saxon/Magnum et all ) will ever be as legendary/infamous > as the likes of Johnny Cash, whos musical heritage goes back to Sun Records with Elvis etc . Not that I like JC much > anyhoo. Depends entirely on how much publicity they get. I think Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are rapidly approaching that legendary status (is there anyone who hasn't heard of them in the Western world????). Just about everyone knows Stairway to Heaven and Smoke on The Water, even if they don't know who played them. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter > Yep I was brought up on those "old school" bands zep/purple etc, never realy got into priest/maiden. Those bands just didnt > seem to have the vituoso guitarists the likes of Page or Blackmore. How can you possibly say that KK Downing is not a virtuoso guitarist compared to Blackmore or Page? I mean, Blackmore and Page admittedly have good imagination, but they're not the best around by any stretch of the imagination and compare them to the likes of Downing / Dave Murray / Adrian Smith, they're certainly no better. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that > can make a guitar "sing" is Lang. Hmmmm, let me think... John Petrucci (Dream Theater) Al Pitrelli (Savatage) Alan Morse (Spocks Beard) Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!) Luca Turilli (Rhapsody) Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt) James Murphy (too many bands to name) Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage) Craig Goldy (Dio) Viv Campbell (Def Leppard) Chris Caffrey (Savatage) Vinnie Burns Chris France (Ten) Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius) Michael Romeo (Symphony X) Ralph Santolla (Millenium) Matthias Lange (Metallium) Yngwie Malmsteen Chris Impelliterri Joe Satriani Steve Vai KK Downing (Judas Priest) Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society) Michael Amott (Arch Enemy) And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to really think about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 You've not listened to them much then? Have you tried listening to John Petrucci, Nuno Bettencourt, Timo Tolkki, Alex Skolnick etc. Jo - peter hurd Monday, October 17, 2005 11:13 PM Re: First Gigs... Yep I was brought up on those "old school" bands zep/purple etc, never realy got into priest/maiden. Those bands just didnt seem to have the vituoso guitarists the likes of Page or Blackmore. The Valley Vegan...............Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon. I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well. BB Peter Peter H To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Why would it be weird Fraggle? Nobody ever seems to mind coming out with us. Our daughter has come to concerts with us, and one of Peter's friends came to a couple of concerts with us, and Peter of course. There's a young chap where I work who came to a concert with us a couple of weeks ago, had a really good time and is coming to Arch Enemy with us. Youngsters that we don't know at the concerts are very friendly towards us and chat. I have often had people come up to me and say which concerts they've seen me at and start up a conversation, like at the Bloodstock festival where we chatted about bands with about a dozen of them. The concert before last we were greeted happily by someone who had seen us at another concert, and even hugged! I don't think Peter has ever felt uncomfortable coming out with us - I'm sure he wouldn't come if he did. I know you said you didn't want to cause offense, and I'm not overly offended, but ... we're normal people - metal fans - and age shouldn't matter. Jo Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Re: First Gigs... > please don't take any offense to this jo(er peter!)(er anyone else fer that matter) > but > going to a show with my father as a teen would be just..beyond weird! > > and..as fer today...i moved 3000 miles away from my father back in the mid 80's... > he is now about 1000 miles away..but..still...kinda far to commute fer a show! > > and no, we have not much musical tastes in common.... > tho he did like the ramones > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Oct 17, 2005 11:43 PM > > Re: First Gigs... > > Is that cos you don't like the same music as your family or cos you > don't get on with them? > > Jo > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > oh dear > > i went to johnny cash with my step mother and grandmother...but i > was 7 > > think thats the only time i went with parental units > > > > no..wait..i saw the righteous brothers some time after like..when i > was like 10..... > > > > but..everything else was *alone*...with friends and such...but.... > > > > > > Peter <metalscarab@g...> > > Oct 17, 2005 12:45 PM > > > > Re: First Gigs... > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > first one i went to on my own? some metal band in like > 1979..called > > eyes.... > > > > Depends what you mean by " on your own " ... I've never been to a gig > alone. > > First one without my parents was ever such a long time ago... March > 2005 to > > be precise.... Incubus Succubus. :-) > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter Trey Azagthoth is in Morbid Angel. I agree with you that there would be at least another 100 excellent guitarists - and then we could go down to the ones who are only 'very good'. BBJo - Peter Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:48 PM Re: First Gigs... > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that > can make a guitar "sing" is Lang. Hmmmm, let me think... John Petrucci (Dream Theater) Al Pitrelli (Savatage) Alan Morse (Spocks Beard) Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!) Luca Turilli (Rhapsody) Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt) James Murphy (too many bands to name) Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage) Craig Goldy (Dio) Viv Campbell (Def Leppard) Chris Caffrey (Savatage) Vinnie Burns Chris France (Ten) Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius) Michael Romeo (Symphony X) Ralph Santolla (Millenium) Matthias Lange (Metallium) Yngwie Malmsteen Chris Impelliterri Joe Satriani Steve Vai KK Downing (Judas Priest) Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society) Michael Amott (Arch Enemy) And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to really think about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 has nothin to do with age the thought of bein a teen, and going to a show with my father is, well, appaling!! jo <jo.heartwork Oct 18, 2005 11:27 AM Re: Re: First Gigs... Why would it be weird Fraggle? Nobody ever seems to mind coming out with us. Our daughter has come to concerts with us, and one of Peter's friends came to a couple of concerts with us, and Peter of course. There's a young chap where I work who came to a concert with us a couple of weeks ago, had a really good time and is coming to Arch Enemy with us. Youngsters that we don't know at the concerts are very friendly towards us and chat. I have often had people come up to me and say which concerts they've seen me at and start up a conversation, like at the Bloodstock festival where we chatted about bands with about a dozen of them. The concert before last we were greeted happily by someone who had seen us at another concert, and even hugged! I don't think Peter has ever felt uncomfortable coming out with us - I'm sure he wouldn't come if he did. I know you said you didn't want to cause offense, and I'm not overly offended, but ... we're normal people - metal fans - and age shouldn't matter. Jo Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Re: First Gigs... > please don't take any offense to this jo(er peter!)(er anyone else fer that matter) > but > going to a show with my father as a teen would be just..beyond weird! > > and..as fer today...i moved 3000 miles away from my father back in the mid 80's... > he is now about 1000 miles away..but..still...kinda far to commute fer a show! > > and no, we have not much musical tastes in common.... > tho he did like the ramones > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Oct 17, 2005 11:43 PM > > Re: First Gigs... > > Is that cos you don't like the same music as your family or cos you > don't get on with them? > > Jo > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > oh dear > > i went to johnny cash with my step mother and grandmother...but i > was 7 > > think thats the only time i went with parental units > > > > no..wait..i saw the righteous brothers some time after like..when i > was like 10..... > > > > but..everything else was *alone*...with friends and such...but.... > > > > > > Peter <metalscarab@g...> > > Oct 17, 2005 12:45 PM > > > > Re: First Gigs... > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > first one i went to on my own? some metal band in like > 1979..called > > eyes.... > > > > Depends what you mean by " on your own " ... I've never been to a gig > alone. > > First one without my parents was ever such a long time ago... March > 2005 to > > be precise.... Incubus Succubus. :-) > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Jo, Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try and live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more talented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands like that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc.... The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter / Peter (VV)I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years?Jo , "Peter" wrote:>> Hi Peter> > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha> > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon.> > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well.> > BB> Peter> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter Don't forget Herman Li the guitarist from Dragonforce :-) BBJo - Peter Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:48 PM Re: First Gigs... > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that > can make a guitar "sing" is Lang. Hmmmm, let me think... John Petrucci (Dream Theater) Al Pitrelli (Savatage) Alan Morse (Spocks Beard) Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!) Luca Turilli (Rhapsody) Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt) James Murphy (too many bands to name) Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage) Craig Goldy (Dio) Viv Campbell (Def Leppard) Chris Caffrey (Savatage) Vinnie Burns Chris France (Ten) Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius) Michael Romeo (Symphony X) Ralph Santolla (Millenium) Matthias Lange (Metallium) Yngwie Malmsteen Chris Impelliterri Joe Satriani Steve Vai KK Downing (Judas Priest) Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society) Michael Amott (Arch Enemy) And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to really think about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Maybe it was a lack of confidence on your part. I never minded going out with my parents, neither did my brother. Peter did loads of other stuff with friends, as did we, so why not enjoy concerts together if you like the same things? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:38 PM Re: Re: First Gigs... > has nothin to do with age > the thought of bein a teen, and going to a show with my father is, well, appaling!! > > > > jo <jo.heartwork > Oct 18, 2005 11:27 AM > > Re: Re: First Gigs... > > Why would it be weird Fraggle? > > Nobody ever seems to mind coming out with us. Our daughter has come to > concerts with us, and one of Peter's friends came to a couple of concerts > with us, and Peter of course. There's a young chap where I work who came to > a > concert with us a couple of weeks ago, had a really good time and is coming > to Arch Enemy with us. > > Youngsters that we don't know at the concerts are very friendly towards us > and chat. I have often had people come up to me and say which concerts > they've seen me at and start up a conversation, like at the Bloodstock > festival where we chatted about bands with about a dozen of them. The > concert before last we were greeted happily by someone who had seen us at > another concert, and even hugged! I don't think Peter has ever felt > uncomfortable coming out with us - I'm sure he wouldn't come if he did. > > I know you said you didn't want to cause offense, and I'm not overly > offended, but ... we're normal people - metal fans - and age shouldn't > matter. > > Jo > > Jo > > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:24 PM > Re: Re: First Gigs... > > > > please don't take any offense to this jo(er peter!)(er anyone else fer > that matter) > > but > > going to a show with my father as a teen would be just..beyond weird! > > > > and..as fer today...i moved 3000 miles away from my father back in the mid > 80's... > > he is now about 1000 miles away..but..still...kinda far to commute fer a > show! > > > > and no, we have not much musical tastes in common.... > > tho he did like the ramones > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > > Oct 17, 2005 11:43 PM > > > > Re: First Gigs... > > > > Is that cos you don't like the same music as your family or cos you > > don't get on with them? > > > > Jo > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > oh dear > > > i went to johnny cash with my step mother and grandmother...but i > > was 7 > > > think thats the only time i went with parental units > > > > > > no..wait..i saw the righteous brothers some time after like..when i > > was like 10..... > > > > > > but..everything else was *alone*...with friends and such...but.... > > > > > > > > > Peter <metalscarab@g...> > > > Oct 17, 2005 12:45 PM > > > > > > Re: First Gigs... > > > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > > > first one i went to on my own? some metal band in like > > 1979..called > > > eyes.... > > > > > > Depends what you mean by " on your own " ... I've never been to a gig > > alone. > > > First one without my parents was ever such a long time ago... March > > 2005 to > > > be precise.... Incubus Succubus. :-) > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 What happened to Sabbath? Jo - peter hurd Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:10 PM Re: Re: First Gigs... Hi Jo, Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try and live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more talented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands like that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc.... The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter / Peter (VV)I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years?Jo , "Peter" wrote:>> Hi Peter> > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha> > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon.> > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well.> > BB> Peter> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 I am so glad that I am provoking such a response! I never said they were like Def Leppard, I said that they were not in the same league and that they were like every other band around at the time ( I think the NME coined the phrase New Wave Of British Heavy Metal around then ). As for prog rock going stale with self indulgence, well thats partially what prompted punk in the first place and many other garage bands going back to basics - three chord, three minute heroes. Heritage? features belonging to the culture of a particular society, such as traditions, languages or buildings, which still exist from the past and which have a historical importance:you feel no need for history, well thats up to you. I personally feel that originators are worth their weight in gold particulary in the music business, and their place in history cannot be denied. P.S. I loved Spinal Tap The Valley Vegan............. heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi PeterThey are nothing like Def Leppard. So other than Iron Maiden, who do they remind you of??? Off-hand, I can't think of any other bands.Maybe some prog went stale, but being prog a lot of it sort of ..... progressed! I can think of lots of different bands in the prog rock/metal field who have different styles to each other. Maybe it is just that you are unaware of their existence (my introduction to drums was hearing a ten-minute drum solo by Gene Krupa when I was very young). As for long guitar and drum solos - some of us enjoy them, just as some others may enjoy political lyrics being shouted out in an aggressive manner (and some of us may not!). Musical masturbation - what point are you trying to make - do you think musicians should not enjoy what they are doing?As for Johnny Cash etc. There will always be some people more famous than others but fame has nothing to do with quality, and it is not only the most famous bands/people in the world who give pleasure to people. Musical heritage - mmmmm! Why does there need to be a musical heritage?Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> My problem with them was they were like every other band around at the time, only not in the same league as the likes of Iron Maiden an Def Lepard, neither of whom I was partial to. It is probably because around that time my music tastes shifted somewhat, and I stopped listening to new rock bands and sort of went punk/indie-ish. A lot of prog rock just got stale for me around that time too, you know the sort of thing, 12 minute guitar solos, oooh a 15 minute drum solo, ooh thats original, just seemed to be the equivalent of musical masturbation to me . Just my opinion tis all.> Oh and by the way, I doubt whether any of the bands of that ilk ( Saxon/Magnum et all ) will ever be as legendary/infamous as the likes of Johnny Cash, whos musical heritage goes back to Sun Records with Elvis etc . Not that I like JC much anyhoo.> > The Valley Vegan............> > jo wrote:> They were good enough to be enjoyable - not as good as some - better than others. When I saw them about five years ago they were pretty good. Scoff away though - that's how I feel about Johnny Cash etc.> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:44 PM> Re: First Gigs...> > > Oh my, ( I still have a cassete single of 747 strangers in the night somewhere, is it worth anything?). Sorry shouldnt scoff, but they werent exactly brilliant were they?> > The Valley Vegan..........> > jo wrote:> Why would they stop?????> > of course Saxon are still going - they're touring at present.> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:28 PM> Re: First Gigs...> > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha> > The Valley Vegan............> > jo wrote:> They get together every couple of years or so to make an album and tour. They are not that old though - not as old as me - so why wouldn't they still be going? Bob Catley also does solo stuff which is also good.> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:15 PM> Re: First Gigs...> > > Magnum? ha ha ha ha ha, are they still going?> > The Valley Vegan.............> > Peter wrote:> > Mine was Def Leppard and I think I was 11 or something. The Hysteria> > tour. My older cousins took me. Quite uneventful but exciting at the> > time. Especially when the ladies bathroom had a line so we ventured> > into the mens. Twas a long ride there and we had to go and the men's> > room was empty.> > IIRC my first gig was The Flying Pickets... but that was well over 100 gigs> ago... last one was last night, Spock's Beard... then 3 next week (Dio and 2> Dream Theater gigs), two a couple of weeks later (Stratovarius / Hammerfall> and Royal Hunt), then a couple in December (Magnum and Vaughn)... I honestly> *don't* spend my entire life going to gigs!!!!> > BB> Peter> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 confidence i don't think has much to do with it sorry..the thought of me being 16, and going to a show with my father would have horrified the pants off of me... jo <jo.heartwork Oct 18, 2005 12:16 PM Re: Re: First Gigs... Maybe it was a lack of confidence on your part. I never minded going out with my parents, neither did my brother. Peter did loads of other stuff with friends, as did we, so why not enjoy concerts together if you like the same things? Jo When they kick out your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun When the law break in How you gonna go? Shot down on the pavement Or waiting on death row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 How about Zakk Wylde? Jo - Peter Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:48 PM Re: First Gigs... > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that > can make a guitar "sing" is Lang. Hmmmm, let me think... John Petrucci (Dream Theater) Al Pitrelli (Savatage) Alan Morse (Spocks Beard) Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!) Luca Turilli (Rhapsody) Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt) James Murphy (too many bands to name) Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage) Craig Goldy (Dio) Viv Campbell (Def Leppard) Chris Caffrey (Savatage) Vinnie Burns Chris France (Ten) Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius) Michael Romeo (Symphony X) Ralph Santolla (Millenium) Matthias Lange (Metallium) Yngwie Malmsteen Chris Impelliterri Joe Satriani Steve Vai KK Downing (Judas Priest) Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society) Michael Amott (Arch Enemy) And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to really think about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so. BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Stairway to Heaven is there and has been for many years. At one point it was the most played song in the world. More sheet music has been sold for Stairway than any other song. It is even musak and used on some elevators now <g> Oh, and has been to court as being Satanic if played backwards. Supposedly in Urdu in the "if there's a bustle in your hedgerow" it says sayntin. And "I sing because I live with Satan. The Lord turns me off -- there's no escaping it. Here's to my sweet Satan, whose power is Satan. He will give you 666. I live for Satan." Yup. Testimony given right here in sunny California in 1982! If you hmm the chorus of Smoke on the Water a whole bunch of folks will remember it. If you mention Ozzie most folks will relate to Black Sabbath. Some folks will know who Def is if you mention the one armed drummer but they won't be able to name even one song. The rest of them won't even remember the band. As to the other bands, the average music listener won't have a clue. Lynda - Peter Depends entirely on how much publicity they get. I think Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are rapidly approaching that legendary status (is there anyone who hasn't heard of them in the Western world????). Just about everyone knows Stairway to Heaven and Smoke on The Water, even if they don't know who played them. BB Peter Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.14/130 - Release 10/12/2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2005 Hi Peter > Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just > try and live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more talented and original members have left. It gets sad > to see bands like that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc.... Having never been a particular fan of Purple, I don't really know a comparison after various people left (altough I could be cheeky and say that they were never the same after Rod Evans departed :-)). I agree with you largely on Sabbath - although I enjoyed all of the albums they did with Dio (IMHO, Dehumanizer is an under-rated classic). Then there's some bands who keep on going, and just keep getting better... Judas Priest being a prime example. Dream Theater have now been going for 20 years, and they keep going from strength to strength, Rush seem to keep getting better after some 3 decades. I don't think Magnum are as good in the song-writing department as they were a few years back, but their live performances are quite a bit better than they were in the late 1990s. And let's not forget Queen, who were going strong for around 20 years, and still getting better with every album. Considering that Brian May and Roger Taylor are still playing and writing, I suspect that Queen would still be going strong now were it not for Freddie dying. I think it just depends on the band! BB Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
