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geez, well you certainly had every reason in the book to have such major

issues. but most of it sounds circumstantial, so you also have every reason

to believe that it will work this time! have you tried doing positive

affirmations? i had lots of circumstantial stuff the first time around too,

and even though it still didn't work the second time, i still found the

affirmations to be incredibly helpful because i was the same way, just

totally depressed and panicked about having to go through it again and

worrying that it wouldn't work. it sounds silly, but i wrote out my own

like, " my body was designed to feed a baby, " " i will breastfeed, " " my baby

is designed to be fed by my body, " stuff like that. it sounds silly, but it

works. journaling helped me a lot too. i wrote a lot about my memories of

my experiences with my first child, his birth and breastfeeding experience,

and worked through a lot of that trauma durign my second pregnancy,

especially as regards his brith, because i didn't want that stuff cropping

up at an inopportune time, like while i was in labor! birth trauma is so

volatile. you might try reading " birthing from within " if you haven't

already. i found it very useful the second time as i worked on my " birth

tigers " and did a lot of art to help me work through my emotions and fears.

 

 

chandelle'

 

On 3/6/07, vegolove <vegolove wrote:

>

> In answer to your question and without boring you to death, I was

> unable to breastfeed for various reasons which I believe were, my

> water broke at 32 weeks and I had to reamin in hospital and was fed

> intravenously antibiotics to avoid infection, Mia was still 5 weeks

> prem. Mia was delivered by forceps and I bled quite a bit and

> became anaemic then i got an infected episiotomy and sat on my right

> cheek for 4 months. Mia could not suck as much as we tried coz she

> was prem so they gavage fed her immedietely. I simply had no milk, I

> would pump every couple of hours to get like 5mls of milk it was

> horrible. I tried for 4 months!!!!! Plus I was not enthusiastic

> about giving her my milk when I was full of antibiotics for 2 months

> plus other drugs for the episiotomy and I was anaemic. Surely my

> milk would not have done her any good. I hope you are right and

> that second time round I can do this, I get depressed about it all

> when I think back :(

>

>

> , chandelle' <earthmother213

> wrote:

> >

> > without planning to attack you, may i ask why you were unable to

> nurse?

> > many women who had major struggles the first time around are able

> to do it

> > for subsequent babies.

> >

> > that being said, i have been unable to nurse either of my

> children, even

> > though i have worked as a lactation educator for 2 years and have

> been

> > studying to become an IBCLC someday as well, and even though i

> worked with

> > the best IBCLCs and LLL leaders in my area. it was a devaststing

> experience

> > for me, both times, because i wanted to nurse more than anything

> and i put

> > an incredible amount of effort into it, so much that my nipples are

> > permanently scarred. but it just didn't happen. my daughter

> willow is just

> > over 3 months now and she is primarily on donated breastmilk, so i

> would

> > advise that first. many women don't realize that's an option.

> build your

> > circle of support during your pregnancy and go out of your way to

> include a

> > few lactating mamas in there. then if you do have problems,

> you'll have

> > someone to turn to if you need donated milk while you're getting

> the hang of

> > breastfeeding. or if you for some reason cannot breastfeed, those

> people

> > can put out the feelers for you and maybe you can find someone, or

> several

> > someones, who can pump for you at least a little bit. as my

> daughter eats

> > more and more but my milk supply from other mothers does not

> increase (or

> > even drops off, as it is right now), she gets less and less

> breastmilk, but

> > i know she will always get some for her first year of life, and

> every little

> > bit counts. one women even had her baby a month after me and

> started

> > pumping for me right away, so the milk is even age-appropriate.

> and even

> > though i have to give her milk or formula in a bottle, i do

> everything i can

> > to replicate the breastfeeding experience by holding her close,

> skin-to-skin

> > as much as possible, not engaging in anything else while she eats,

> and

> > never, ever propping bottles or otherwise separating her

> experience of

> > eating from being bonded to me.

> >

> > also, if you do produce milk but cannot breastfeed for some

> reason, many

> > women pump exclusively. there are a couple of ! groups for

> this. i

> > tried to do this myself but, well, i had other issues. i would

> have done it

> > happily had it worked, but i had some unique problems. for most

> women who

> > try it, it does work. you may not be able to feed her with your

> milk

> > exclusively, but some women do, and even if you can't, you can get

> that

> > donated milk or even just supplement with formula if you have to.

> the

> > important thing is that your baby gets SOME breastmilk if you can

> possibly

> > manage it.

> >

> > ok, so all THAT being said, i did feed my son exclusively with soy

> formula

> > after the first couple of months and then moved him to regular

> soymilk after

> > a year or so. and he did just fine. there are a lot of horror

> stories

> > right now about soy protein, especially soy protein isolate.

> (actually, ALL

> > of the negative studies have been performed on soy protein

> isolate -

> > whole-soy studies have only been positive). so, working with SPI

> in soy

> > formula, in which babies get a much larger dose than anyone

> because it's

> > their sole form of nutrition, does make me a little nervous. but

> i don't

> > consider cow's milk formula, which is laden with far more

> dangerous hormones

> > than SPI (even the so-called " organic " stuff is still going to have

> > dangerous naturally-occurring hormones) to be a viable option,

> especially as

> > i have a girl and those hormones are far more volatile for

> females. some

> > people will suggest making your own formula from goat's milk, but

> it is an

> > expensive endeavor and is not, IMO, after doing a lot of research,

> > particularly safe.

> >

> > so the bottom line is, if you absolutely must use formula, there

> are

> > benefits and drawbacks to both forms. to me, because i had

> already used a

> > soy formula with my son with no obvious detriments, and since

> health didn't

> > concern me much based on my experience with him (which is NOT to

> say that

> > health didn't concern me at all...i definitely did my homework

> this time),

> > and formula is sometimes necessary when we run out of breastmilk,

> there were

> > other issues that i considered, such as, do i really want to

> support the

> > dairy cow industry in any form? absolutely not. no matter what

> kind of

> > dangers come with isolated soy protein, it will always be better,

> to me,

> > than the pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and

> everything else

> > in cow's milk, until some studies prove this definitively to not

> be the

> > case. and because i am lactose-intolerant, and so is my son

> (which is why

> > we started using soy formula in the first place with him), i

> figured i

> > should play it safe with her and just skip the cow's milk formula

> fiasco

> > altogether. better the devil you know. others surely feel

> differently and

> > that's fine, but that's how i felt about it.

> >

> > i have successfully used soy formula with both of my children, and

> my son

> > was on it exclusively. with my daughter, i use an organic soy

> formula from

> > baby's only. it is made from brown rice syrup rather than corn

> syrup. i

> > don't know what it is, because i did not expect anything, but i

> see SUCH a

> > difference in her on this formula than on the generic or brand-name

> > formulas. i started using this because a friend of mine used it

> with her

> > daughter and when she had her blood levels taken, she was told

> they were as

> > high as a breastfed baby. and i figured we didn't have anything

> to lose.

> > it really is better, though. when she's on this, vs. something

> like

> > enfamil, she spits up less, her color is better, her poop is

> runnier (which

> > is good), and she's more active.

> >

> > so, i'm not sure what your circumstances are, but i would

> definitely say

> > that unless you were somehow born without milk glands or

> something, your

> > first line of defense should probably be to see an IBCLC in

> pregnancy and

> > see what advice she can offer you to make breastfeeding more

> successful this

> > time. when you have your baby, have the numbers of LLL leaders

> sitting

> > right by the phone, and maybe find an experienced BFing mom to

> hang around

> > in case you need help. and if things don't go well, get help! do

> whatever

> > you possibly can to breastfeed. and if you really cannot, IME soy

> formula

> > has worked fine. my son survived and thrived on it and is a very

> healthy,

> > happy, developmentally-advanced little boy who has been more or

> less vegan

> > from birth.

> >

> > oh, ok, one more thing. as of yet, to the best of my knowledge,

> there are

> > no soy formulas that are completely vegan. at least the vitamin

> b2, or is

> > it b3? are from animal sources. :( so, that sucks. but at least

> it's not

> > cow's milk.

> >

> > chandelle'

> >

> >

> >

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It sounds like you tried hard and it only didn't work because of circumstances

out of your control. Don't feel bad about that!!! I tried with my daughter but I

just wasn't producing enough, and I was so upset about it I didn't even try with

my son. I know how awful that feels, but at least you're wanting to try with

your second. I feel horrible for not trying with my son.

 

vegolove <vegolove wrote: In

answer to your question and without boring you to death, I was

unable to breastfeed for various reasons which I believe were, my

water broke at 32 weeks and I had to reamin in hospital and was fed

intravenously antibiotics to avoid infection, Mia was still 5 weeks

prem. Mia was delivered by forceps and I bled quite a bit and

became anaemic then i got an infected episiotomy and sat on my right

cheek for 4 months. Mia could not suck as much as we tried coz she

was prem so they gavage fed her immedietely. I simply had no milk, I

would pump every couple of hours to get like 5mls of milk it was

horrible. I tried for 4 months!!!!! Plus I was not enthusiastic

about giving her my milk when I was full of antibiotics for 2 months

plus other drugs for the episiotomy and I was anaemic. Surely my

milk would not have done her any good. I hope you are right and

that second time round I can do this, I get depressed about it all

when I think back :(

 

, chandelle' <earthmother213

wrote:

>

> without planning to attack you, may i ask why you were unable to

nurse?

> many women who had major struggles the first time around are able

to do it

> for subsequent babies.

>

> that being said, i have been unable to nurse either of my

children, even

> though i have worked as a lactation educator for 2 years and have

been

> studying to become an IBCLC someday as well, and even though i

worked with

> the best IBCLCs and LLL leaders in my area. it was a devaststing

experience

> for me, both times, because i wanted to nurse more than anything

and i put

> an incredible amount of effort into it, so much that my nipples are

> permanently scarred. but it just didn't happen. my daughter

willow is just

> over 3 months now and she is primarily on donated breastmilk, so i

would

> advise that first. many women don't realize that's an option.

build your

> circle of support during your pregnancy and go out of your way to

include a

> few lactating mamas in there. then if you do have problems,

you'll have

> someone to turn to if you need donated milk while you're getting

the hang of

> breastfeeding. or if you for some reason cannot breastfeed, those

people

> can put out the feelers for you and maybe you can find someone, or

several

> someones, who can pump for you at least a little bit. as my

daughter eats

> more and more but my milk supply from other mothers does not

increase (or

> even drops off, as it is right now), she gets less and less

breastmilk, but

> i know she will always get some for her first year of life, and

every little

> bit counts. one women even had her baby a month after me and

started

> pumping for me right away, so the milk is even age-appropriate.

and even

> though i have to give her milk or formula in a bottle, i do

everything i can

> to replicate the breastfeeding experience by holding her close,

skin-to-skin

> as much as possible, not engaging in anything else while she eats,

and

> never, ever propping bottles or otherwise separating her

experience of

> eating from being bonded to me.

>

> also, if you do produce milk but cannot breastfeed for some

reason, many

> women pump exclusively. there are a couple of ! groups for

this. i

> tried to do this myself but, well, i had other issues. i would

have done it

> happily had it worked, but i had some unique problems. for most

women who

> try it, it does work. you may not be able to feed her with your

milk

> exclusively, but some women do, and even if you can't, you can get

that

> donated milk or even just supplement with formula if you have to.

the

> important thing is that your baby gets SOME breastmilk if you can

possibly

> manage it.

>

> ok, so all THAT being said, i did feed my son exclusively with soy

formula

> after the first couple of months and then moved him to regular

soymilk after

> a year or so. and he did just fine. there are a lot of horror

stories

> right now about soy protein, especially soy protein isolate.

(actually, ALL

> of the negative studies have been performed on soy protein

isolate -

> whole-soy studies have only been positive). so, working with SPI

in soy

> formula, in which babies get a much larger dose than anyone

because it's

> their sole form of nutrition, does make me a little nervous. but

i don't

> consider cow's milk formula, which is laden with far more

dangerous hormones

> than SPI (even the so-called " organic " stuff is still going to have

> dangerous naturally-occurring hormones) to be a viable option,

especially as

> i have a girl and those hormones are far more volatile for

females. some

> people will suggest making your own formula from goat's milk, but

it is an

> expensive endeavor and is not, IMO, after doing a lot of research,

> particularly safe.

>

> so the bottom line is, if you absolutely must use formula, there

are

> benefits and drawbacks to both forms. to me, because i had

already used a

> soy formula with my son with no obvious detriments, and since

health didn't

> concern me much based on my experience with him (which is NOT to

say that

> health didn't concern me at all...i definitely did my homework

this time),

> and formula is sometimes necessary when we run out of breastmilk,

there were

> other issues that i considered, such as, do i really want to

support the

> dairy cow industry in any form? absolutely not. no matter what

kind of

> dangers come with isolated soy protein, it will always be better,

to me,

> than the pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and

everything else

> in cow's milk, until some studies prove this definitively to not

be the

> case. and because i am lactose-intolerant, and so is my son

(which is why

> we started using soy formula in the first place with him), i

figured i

> should play it safe with her and just skip the cow's milk formula

fiasco

> altogether. better the devil you know. others surely feel

differently and

> that's fine, but that's how i felt about it.

>

> i have successfully used soy formula with both of my children, and

my son

> was on it exclusively. with my daughter, i use an organic soy

formula from

> baby's only. it is made from brown rice syrup rather than corn

syrup. i

> don't know what it is, because i did not expect anything, but i

see SUCH a

> difference in her on this formula than on the generic or brand-name

> formulas. i started using this because a friend of mine used it

with her

> daughter and when she had her blood levels taken, she was told

they were as

> high as a breastfed baby. and i figured we didn't have anything

to lose.

> it really is better, though. when she's on this, vs. something

like

> enfamil, she spits up less, her color is better, her poop is

runnier (which

> is good), and she's more active.

>

> so, i'm not sure what your circumstances are, but i would

definitely say

> that unless you were somehow born without milk glands or

something, your

> first line of defense should probably be to see an IBCLC in

pregnancy and

> see what advice she can offer you to make breastfeeding more

successful this

> time. when you have your baby, have the numbers of LLL leaders

sitting

> right by the phone, and maybe find an experienced BFing mom to

hang around

> in case you need help. and if things don't go well, get help! do

whatever

> you possibly can to breastfeed. and if you really cannot, IME soy

formula

> has worked fine. my son survived and thrived on it and is a very

healthy,

> happy, developmentally-advanced little boy who has been more or

less vegan

> from birth.

>

> oh, ok, one more thing. as of yet, to the best of my knowledge,

there are

> no soy formulas that are completely vegan. at least the vitamin

b2, or is

> it b3? are from animal sources. :( so, that sucks. but at least

it's not

> cow's milk.

>

> chandelle'

>

>

>

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Yeh thanks love, I try to keep positive and I will next time round

but hey, I gota get pregnant first meanwhile the clock is ticking.

Just thought I would research this all now so I'm ready if and when

I have my second child. It's just this cow/soy milk issue but I

guess there's pros and cons for each. Being a vegan I dont question

it for myself but when little ones are involved you always worry.

Thanks so much for your advice.

 

 

, chandelle' <earthmother213

wrote:

>

> geez, well you certainly had every reason in the book to have such

major

> issues. but most of it sounds circumstantial, so you also have

every reason

> to believe that it will work this time! have you tried doing

positive

> affirmations? i had lots of circumstantial stuff the first time

around too,

> and even though it still didn't work the second time, i still

found the

> affirmations to be incredibly helpful because i was the same way,

just

> totally depressed and panicked about having to go through it again

and

> worrying that it wouldn't work. it sounds silly, but i wrote out

my own

> like, " my body was designed to feed a baby, " " i will

breastfeed, " " my baby

> is designed to be fed by my body, " stuff like that. it sounds

silly, but it

> works. journaling helped me a lot too. i wrote a lot about my

memories of

> my experiences with my first child, his birth and breastfeeding

experience,

> and worked through a lot of that trauma durign my second pregnancy,

> especially as regards his brith, because i didn't want that stuff

cropping

> up at an inopportune time, like while i was in labor! birth

trauma is so

> volatile. you might try reading " birthing from within " if you

haven't

> already. i found it very useful the second time as i worked on

my " birth

> tigers " and did a lot of art to help me work through my emotions

and fears.

>

>

> chandelle'

>

> On 3/6/07, vegolove <vegolove wrote:

> >

> > In answer to your question and without boring you to death, I was

> > unable to breastfeed for various reasons which I believe were, my

> > water broke at 32 weeks and I had to reamin in hospital and was

fed

> > intravenously antibiotics to avoid infection, Mia was still 5

weeks

> > prem. Mia was delivered by forceps and I bled quite a bit and

> > became anaemic then i got an infected episiotomy and sat on my

right

> > cheek for 4 months. Mia could not suck as much as we tried coz

she

> > was prem so they gavage fed her immedietely. I simply had no

milk, I

> > would pump every couple of hours to get like 5mls of milk it was

> > horrible. I tried for 4 months!!!!! Plus I was not enthusiastic

> > about giving her my milk when I was full of antibiotics for 2

months

> > plus other drugs for the episiotomy and I was anaemic. Surely my

> > milk would not have done her any good. I hope you are right and

> > that second time round I can do this, I get depressed about it

all

> > when I think back :(

> >

> >

> > , chandelle' <earthmother213@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > without planning to attack you, may i ask why you were unable

to

> > nurse?

> > > many women who had major struggles the first time around are

able

> > to do it

> > > for subsequent babies.

> > >

> > > that being said, i have been unable to nurse either of my

> > children, even

> > > though i have worked as a lactation educator for 2 years and

have

> > been

> > > studying to become an IBCLC someday as well, and even though i

> > worked with

> > > the best IBCLCs and LLL leaders in my area. it was a

devaststing

> > experience

> > > for me, both times, because i wanted to nurse more than

anything

> > and i put

> > > an incredible amount of effort into it, so much that my

nipples are

> > > permanently scarred. but it just didn't happen. my daughter

> > willow is just

> > > over 3 months now and she is primarily on donated breastmilk,

so i

> > would

> > > advise that first. many women don't realize that's an option.

> > build your

> > > circle of support during your pregnancy and go out of your way

to

> > include a

> > > few lactating mamas in there. then if you do have problems,

> > you'll have

> > > someone to turn to if you need donated milk while you're

getting

> > the hang of

> > > breastfeeding. or if you for some reason cannot breastfeed,

those

> > people

> > > can put out the feelers for you and maybe you can find

someone, or

> > several

> > > someones, who can pump for you at least a little bit. as my

> > daughter eats

> > > more and more but my milk supply from other mothers does not

> > increase (or

> > > even drops off, as it is right now), she gets less and less

> > breastmilk, but

> > > i know she will always get some for her first year of life, and

> > every little

> > > bit counts. one women even had her baby a month after me and

> > started

> > > pumping for me right away, so the milk is even age-appropriate.

> > and even

> > > though i have to give her milk or formula in a bottle, i do

> > everything i can

> > > to replicate the breastfeeding experience by holding her close,

> > skin-to-skin

> > > as much as possible, not engaging in anything else while she

eats,

> > and

> > > never, ever propping bottles or otherwise separating her

> > experience of

> > > eating from being bonded to me.

> > >

> > > also, if you do produce milk but cannot breastfeed for some

> > reason, many

> > > women pump exclusively. there are a couple of ! groups

for

> > this. i

> > > tried to do this myself but, well, i had other issues. i would

> > have done it

> > > happily had it worked, but i had some unique problems. for

most

> > women who

> > > try it, it does work. you may not be able to feed her with

your

> > milk

> > > exclusively, but some women do, and even if you can't, you can

get

> > that

> > > donated milk or even just supplement with formula if you have

to.

> > the

> > > important thing is that your baby gets SOME breastmilk if you

can

> > possibly

> > > manage it.

> > >

> > > ok, so all THAT being said, i did feed my son exclusively with

soy

> > formula

> > > after the first couple of months and then moved him to regular

> > soymilk after

> > > a year or so. and he did just fine. there are a lot of horror

> > stories

> > > right now about soy protein, especially soy protein isolate.

> > (actually, ALL

> > > of the negative studies have been performed on soy protein

> > isolate -

> > > whole-soy studies have only been positive). so, working with

SPI

> > in soy

> > > formula, in which babies get a much larger dose than anyone

> > because it's

> > > their sole form of nutrition, does make me a little nervous.

but

> > i don't

> > > consider cow's milk formula, which is laden with far more

> > dangerous hormones

> > > than SPI (even the so-called " organic " stuff is still going to

have

> > > dangerous naturally-occurring hormones) to be a viable option,

> > especially as

> > > i have a girl and those hormones are far more volatile for

> > females. some

> > > people will suggest making your own formula from goat's milk,

but

> > it is an

> > > expensive endeavor and is not, IMO, after doing a lot of

research,

> > > particularly safe.

> > >

> > > so the bottom line is, if you absolutely must use formula,

there

> > are

> > > benefits and drawbacks to both forms. to me, because i had

> > already used a

> > > soy formula with my son with no obvious detriments, and since

> > health didn't

> > > concern me much based on my experience with him (which is NOT

to

> > say that

> > > health didn't concern me at all...i definitely did my homework

> > this time),

> > > and formula is sometimes necessary when we run out of

breastmilk,

> > there were

> > > other issues that i considered, such as, do i really want to

> > support the

> > > dairy cow industry in any form? absolutely not. no matter

what

> > kind of

> > > dangers come with isolated soy protein, it will always be

better,

> > to me,

> > > than the pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and

> > everything else

> > > in cow's milk, until some studies prove this definitively to

not

> > be the

> > > case. and because i am lactose-intolerant, and so is my son

> > (which is why

> > > we started using soy formula in the first place with him), i

> > figured i

> > > should play it safe with her and just skip the cow's milk

formula

> > fiasco

> > > altogether. better the devil you know. others surely feel

> > differently and

> > > that's fine, but that's how i felt about it.

> > >

> > > i have successfully used soy formula with both of my children,

and

> > my son

> > > was on it exclusively. with my daughter, i use an organic soy

> > formula from

> > > baby's only. it is made from brown rice syrup rather than corn

> > syrup. i

> > > don't know what it is, because i did not expect anything, but i

> > see SUCH a

> > > difference in her on this formula than on the generic or brand-

name

> > > formulas. i started using this because a friend of mine used

it

> > with her

> > > daughter and when she had her blood levels taken, she was told

> > they were as

> > > high as a breastfed baby. and i figured we didn't have

anything

> > to lose.

> > > it really is better, though. when she's on this, vs. something

> > like

> > > enfamil, she spits up less, her color is better, her poop is

> > runnier (which

> > > is good), and she's more active.

> > >

> > > so, i'm not sure what your circumstances are, but i would

> > definitely say

> > > that unless you were somehow born without milk glands or

> > something, your

> > > first line of defense should probably be to see an IBCLC in

> > pregnancy and

> > > see what advice she can offer you to make breastfeeding more

> > successful this

> > > time. when you have your baby, have the numbers of LLL leaders

> > sitting

> > > right by the phone, and maybe find an experienced BFing mom to

> > hang around

> > > in case you need help. and if things don't go well, get

help! do

> > whatever

> > > you possibly can to breastfeed. and if you really cannot, IME

soy

> > formula

> > > has worked fine. my son survived and thrived on it and is a

very

> > healthy,

> > > happy, developmentally-advanced little boy who has been more or

> > less vegan

> > > from birth.

> > >

> > > oh, ok, one more thing. as of yet, to the best of my

knowledge,

> > there are

> > > no soy formulas that are completely vegan. at least the

vitamin

> > b2, or is

> > > it b3? are from animal sources. :( so, that sucks. but at

least

> > it's not

> > > cow's milk.

> > >

> > > chandelle'

> > >

> > >

> > >

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hi chandelle, i read your breastfeeding story, so raw and honest, i

felt your pain. i had a lot of trouble breastfeeding, especially

with my first baby, everyone told me it was attachment or he wasn't

sucking right or i wasn't holding him right or whatever. anyway it

hurt like mad, i had terrible blisters, he would suck, nothing would

come, he would cry, suck harder and then i would cry in agony when i

let down. it was nothing like what i thought it was supposed to be,

and i understood why so many women don't breastfeed. then i went for

my 6 week check-up with this great obstetrician. she asked me about

feeding, then asked if my nipples went hard and white sometimes.

they did, and they still do, because of reynaud's syndrome, which is

the constricting of the blood supply to the extremities. usually it

affects hands and feet, but some women get it in their nipples, and

it seems hardly anyone has heard of this (doctors, midwives,

mothers...). i'm sharing this with you because i think the more

people who know about it the better. it's triggered by cold mostly,

so i try to keep my breasts covered all the time, even on a hot day.

after a feed is the worst because when the baby takes its warm, wet

little mouth off, suddenly the nipple feels very cold and reacts, so

if they want to get back on they have to wait while the nipple warms

up again. when you talked about the pump i shuddered when you talked

about it being cold. i never would've been able to let down either.

just wanted to share this with you, in case it's not something you

knew about. even if you don't have it, you may come across it in the

women around you. my doctor said that women who have it don't

usually breastfeed as it's too painful. there is medication, i've

never taken any, i got it under control by keeping covered up as

much as possible.

, chandelle' <earthmother213

wrote:

>

> without planning to attack you, may i ask why you were unable to

nurse?

> many women who had major struggles the first time around are able

to do it

> for subsequent babies.

>

> that being said, i have been unable to nurse either of my

children, even

> though i have worked as a lactation educator for 2 years and have

been

> studying to become an IBCLC someday as well, and even though i

worked with

> the best IBCLCs and LLL leaders in my area. it was a devaststing

experience

> for me, both times, because i wanted to nurse more than anything

and i put

> an incredible amount of effort into it, so much that my nipples are

> permanently scarred. but it just didn't happen. my daughter

willow is just

> over 3 months now and she is primarily on donated breastmilk, so i

would

> advise that first. many women don't realize that's an option.

build your

> circle of support during your pregnancy and go out of your way to

include a

> few lactating mamas in there. then if you do have problems,

you'll have

> someone to turn to if you need donated milk while you're getting

the hang of

> breastfeeding. or if you for some reason cannot breastfeed, those

people

> can put out the feelers for you and maybe you can find someone, or

several

> someones, who can pump for you at least a little bit. as my

daughter eats

> more and more but my milk supply from other mothers does not

increase (or

> even drops off, as it is right now), she gets less and less

breastmilk, but

> i know she will always get some for her first year of life, and

every little

> bit counts. one women even had her baby a month after me and

started

> pumping for me right away, so the milk is even age-appropriate.

and even

> though i have to give her milk or formula in a bottle, i do

everything i can

> to replicate the breastfeeding experience by holding her close,

skin-to-skin

> as much as possible, not engaging in anything else while she eats,

and

> never, ever propping bottles or otherwise separating her

experience of

> eating from being bonded to me.

>

> also, if you do produce milk but cannot breastfeed for some

reason, many

> women pump exclusively. there are a couple of ! groups for

this. i

> tried to do this myself but, well, i had other issues. i would

have done it

> happily had it worked, but i had some unique problems. for most

women who

> try it, it does work. you may not be able to feed her with your

milk

> exclusively, but some women do, and even if you can't, you can get

that

> donated milk or even just supplement with formula if you have to.

the

> important thing is that your baby gets SOME breastmilk if you can

possibly

> manage it.

>

> ok, so all THAT being said, i did feed my son exclusively with soy

formula

> after the first couple of months and then moved him to regular

soymilk after

> a year or so. and he did just fine. there are a lot of horror

stories

> right now about soy protein, especially soy protein isolate.

(actually, ALL

> of the negative studies have been performed on soy protein

isolate -

> whole-soy studies have only been positive). so, working with SPI

in soy

> formula, in which babies get a much larger dose than anyone

because it's

> their sole form of nutrition, does make me a little nervous. but

i don't

> consider cow's milk formula, which is laden with far more

dangerous hormones

> than SPI (even the so-called " organic " stuff is still going to have

> dangerous naturally-occurring hormones) to be a viable option,

especially as

> i have a girl and those hormones are far more volatile for

females. some

> people will suggest making your own formula from goat's milk, but

it is an

> expensive endeavor and is not, IMO, after doing a lot of research,

> particularly safe.

>

> so the bottom line is, if you absolutely must use formula, there

are

> benefits and drawbacks to both forms. to me, because i had

already used a

> soy formula with my son with no obvious detriments, and since

health didn't

> concern me much based on my experience with him (which is NOT to

say that

> health didn't concern me at all...i definitely did my homework

this time),

> and formula is sometimes necessary when we run out of breastmilk,

there were

> other issues that i considered, such as, do i really want to

support the

> dairy cow industry in any form? absolutely not. no matter what

kind of

> dangers come with isolated soy protein, it will always be better,

to me,

> than the pesticides, herbicides, hormones, antibiotics, and

everything else

> in cow's milk, until some studies prove this definitively to not

be the

> case. and because i am lactose-intolerant, and so is my son

(which is why

> we started using soy formula in the first place with him), i

figured i

> should play it safe with her and just skip the cow's milk formula

fiasco

> altogether. better the devil you know. others surely feel

differently and

> that's fine, but that's how i felt about it.

>

> i have successfully used soy formula with both of my children, and

my son

> was on it exclusively. with my daughter, i use an organic soy

formula from

> baby's only. it is made from brown rice syrup rather than corn

syrup. i

> don't know what it is, because i did not expect anything, but i

see SUCH a

> difference in her on this formula than on the generic or brand-name

> formulas. i started using this because a friend of mine used it

with her

> daughter and when she had her blood levels taken, she was told

they were as

> high as a breastfed baby. and i figured we didn't have anything

to lose.

> it really is better, though. when she's on this, vs. something

like

> enfamil, she spits up less, her color is better, her poop is

runnier (which

> is good), and she's more active.

>

> so, i'm not sure what your circumstances are, but i would

definitely say

> that unless you were somehow born without milk glands or

something, your

> first line of defense should probably be to see an IBCLC in

pregnancy and

> see what advice she can offer you to make breastfeeding more

successful this

> time. when you have your baby, have the numbers of LLL leaders

sitting

> right by the phone, and maybe find an experienced BFing mom to

hang around

> in case you need help. and if things don't go well, get help! do

whatever

> you possibly can to breastfeed. and if you really cannot, IME soy

formula

> has worked fine. my son survived and thrived on it and is a very

healthy,

> happy, developmentally-advanced little boy who has been more or

less vegan

> from birth.

>

> oh, ok, one more thing. as of yet, to the best of my knowledge,

there are

> no soy formulas that are completely vegan. at least the vitamin

b2, or is

> it b3? are from animal sources. :( so, that sucks. but at least

it's not

> cow's milk.

>

> chandelle'

>

>

>

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Mindy I always use mine up within five to six days. That goes for flavored or

not.

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Soy Milk

 

 

Hello Group,

 

I have a question regarding my soy milk that I'm using. How long can

I keep it once I have opened it? Does it make a difference if it is

flavored, light, or regular? I have some that I opened and want to

make sure I use it before it goes bad. Thanks!

 

Hugs,

Mindy

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my bottle says 7-10 days after opening. I think I push it to 2 weeks, but it

will have a different taste when it goes bad

 

Mindy-n-Shawn <hunnybunns4233 wrote:

Hello Group,

 

I have a question regarding my soy milk that I'm using. How long can

I keep it once I have opened it? Does it make a difference if it is

flavored, light, or regular? I have some that I opened and want to

make sure I use it before it goes bad. Thanks!

 

Hugs,

Mindy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mindy,

 

Our soy milk keeps for at least 2 weeks in the refridgerator. We do keep our

fridge very cold though. My youngest daughter can't drink dairy milk so we

always have alot on hand and sometimes we have two or three cartons open. We

have never had any go bad in the fridge.

 

When it is bad, it tastes different and the texture/consistency is different.

It sort of goes through a separation type phase and then into a curdled type

glob consistency. We have even had soy be good for 24 to 48 hours on car trips.

 

Hope that helps, this is just what I have noticed during the last four years

of really having alot of soy around. Jenn

 

Mindy-n-Shawn <hunnybunns4233 wrote:

Hello Group,

 

I have a question regarding my soy milk that I'm using. How long can

I keep it once I have opened it? Does it make a difference if it is

flavored, light, or regular? I have some that I opened and want to

make sure I use it before it goes bad. Thanks!

 

Hugs,

Mindy

 

 

 

 

 

 

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have you tried the regular silk vanilla soy milk?  if memory serves, the only

difference is a TON of sugar.  It may be " fortified " for kids, but you can find

the same " fortification " in lots of other foods, a multi-vitamin, and/or a

varied diet.  The only beverage a weaned child really needs is water.  36-48

ounces a day of the very vanilla soy milk is way way way too much sugar for

anyone, especially a 2 yo, in my opinion...  Maybe you could transition to the

regular vanilla by mixing them 50-50 for a week or so, rather than switching

cold turkey?  My 2 yo drinks regular vanilla soy, and once a week we make hot

cocoa, using said soy milk, evap. cane juice, and cocoa powder.  I've always

made it on the less sweet side, so it's what she's used to.  Evap cane juice is

perhaps a little less processed than white sugar, vegan friendly, and a little

more flavorful, but metabolically, about the same.  Good luck.  I hope you find

something that works

for you!

Liz

 

 

 

 

itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04

 

Friday, November 7, 2008 8:24:15 AM

soy milk

 

 

My 2 year old drinks flavored soy milk. He drinks the Silk brand,

flavors are chocolate and very vanilla. They use evaporated cane juice

in place of sugar, but is it any better? My husband is concerned about

diabetes and was wondering if anyone knows if evaporated cane juice

can lead to it (like refined sugar). I am trying to cut down his

consumption of so much milk, but there are days when he drinks 3-4

12oz cups and that is the only thing he will drink.

Thanks in advance!!

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

My partner/husband was recently diagnosed with Type II Diabetes, and my

understanding is that diet doesn't cause diabetes, but can irritate

diabetes that already exists. (Don't quote me since we're still

learning about this stuff, but you might want to look into it.) My

partner is taking a diabetes nutrition class right now to learn about

all this, and he asked last night about how to tell if our son is

showing early diabetes symptoms, and the nutritionist said frequent

urination (like super frequent, like shockingly often), copious drinking

(like drinking all the time and being insatiable), being really tired

after eating each meal, and a few other things, but since the first 3

didn't match our son, I'd have to check his notes for what the other

things were. So, unless your son is having symptoms like that, too, I

wouldn't worry about diabetes. But you can always check with your

family doc or do some online research on diabetes, if that's a big

concern in your family.

 

My main concern would be 48 ounces of any one item in a 2-year-old -

that may cause an imbalanced diet, and fill him up too much. He's

getting a ton of protein, at the risk of missing other stuff, I'd assume

- I know our son will drink his soy milk and then be too full to eat his

meal and get those vitamins/minerals/fiber/good stuff. And I don't know

how much fluid is good for kids, and we all drink water all day here,

but your son is drinking about 40 more ounces of soy milk than I do in a

day - and I have a pretty good adult appetite. I usually give our son

about 4 ounces of soy products per day, just so he doesn't fill up on

that only - he'll eat a whole block of tofu if we let him, and would

likely drink his body weight in soy milk, too. :-) The great thing is

that you don't have to worry at all if he's getting enough protein! And

I think that cane sugar is always better than refined sugar - more pure

and natural, and also vegetarian (some refined sugar is refined with

animal bone products). Oh, and we treat the chocolate Silk like a

dessert - since it has the sugar and caffeine and, well, the resultant

bouncing off the walls is a bit much to treat it like a " growing food "

for our already overly bouncing son. :-)

 

As far as solutions, our son will go through food obsessions like this

every so often, and we just " accidentally " run out of that thing

sometimes, forcing him to try something else. His current thing is

frozen waffles - sure, they're organic, whole grain, flax waffles, so

healthy . . . and they're such as easy breakfast . . . but now they're

also his go-to snack, appetizer, and have turned into lunch and dinner

at times. I'm thinking the store might sadly " be out of those " this

week when I shop. :-)

 

Best of luck! This is such a tough thing to navigate!

Lorraine

 

 

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Friday, November 07, 2008 8:24 AM

 

soy milk

 

My 2 year old drinks flavored soy milk. He drinks the Silk brand,

flavors are chocolate and very vanilla. They use evaporated cane juice

in place of sugar, but is it any better? My husband is concerned about

diabetes and was wondering if anyone knows if evaporated cane juice

can lead to it (like refined sugar). I am trying to cut down his

consumption of so much milk, but there are days when he drinks 3-4

12oz cups and that is the only thing he will drink.

Thanks in advance!!

 

 

 

 

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Aloha, One thing that we try to do in our house is not even expose our

children to something that we do not want them to have. Chocolate soy

milk was one of our accidental mistakes also and even worse in the

little boxes with straw! WHAT were we thinking? These have a gross

amount of sugar..AND..you are setting up their little tastebuds for the

super sweets that are so much of the problem in the SAD! So.....we

dropped the cute and easy littles straw boxes. Then we started cutting

the choco milk with some totally UNSWEETENED rice soy or almond milk.

Eventually we were at such a low mixture that we could get away with a

regular milk. We do occasionally buy some Vegan chocolate syrup to top

our soy ice cream or make a glass of chocolate milk...but it is a

treat...not a daily must have. The same goes for cookies and chips. We

find that if the option is fruit...or fruit, that they will always

choose fruit.

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While the extra sugar in 'flavored' soymilk is probably not good for your son,

rest assured that eating sugar does NOT cause diabetes

(http://pubsys.sacbee.com/273/story/765986.html ). This is one of those food

myths that people throw about all the time (especially when they feel like

tsk-tsking how much sugar someone else is eating). I hope your husband didn't

'learn' this in his diabetes ed class- if so, I'd find another one tout de

suite! Some of the other signs of diabetes are big dark circles under the eyes,

and unexplained weight loss that's usually fairly significant. The biggest risk

factors for type II diabetes are genetics and being overweight (and certainly

too much sugar can lead to this, as we all know). I second that evaporated cane

juice is better for you than refined sugar, but probably not hugely different in

terms of how it's metabolized.

I think someone else mentioned it, but I, too, would start cutting the soy milk

with water if he won't drink water. Have you tried setting a favorite cup out

with ice water in it? For some reason, kids love ice water- I don't know if it's

the temp, or the clinking ice...My kids also like sparkling water on occasion,

just for variety- but I know a lot of kids don't like it.

Happy hydrating!

 

 

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Friday, November 7, 2008 10:24:15 AM

soy milk

 

 

My 2 year old drinks flavored soy milk. He drinks the Silk brand,

flavors are chocolate and very vanilla. They use evaporated cane juice

in place of sugar, but is it any better? My husband is concerned about

diabetes and was wondering if anyone knows if evaporated cane juice

can lead to it (like refined sugar). I am trying to cut down his

consumption of so much milk, but there are days when he drinks 3-4

12oz cups and that is the only thing he will drink.

Thanks in advance!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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One other thing, based on experience and like Inga said, one of those

" what were we thinking " moments. If you don't have it in your house,

they will not either starve themselves or dehydrate themselves.

If we have juice or soy/other milks (we usually get orignial or

unsweetened, and on occasion we also get chocolate syrup and have that

as a treat, but not daily) our son will chose anything else other than

the water. He will drink water fine, but not if he has other options.

 

He's actually quite cleaver now, and knows the shelf we keep drinks

on, so he can see if all we have is the water jug or not. :) He also

knows how to get them down and can pour his own cup and not spill

things - so we tend to make sure to get the non-sweetened ones, or the

less sweet ones.

 

We watch out for that stuff here, because my FIL and my dad both have

type 2 diabetes, and it runs in the family on my husband's side of the

family - Great grandpa, and great, great grandpa, too, and one of his

aunts, and his sister is at risk (she's had gestational diabetes twice

and that can lead to it as she gets older, from what I understand from

talking with the aunt that has type 2 and from my mom who works in a

medically related field).

 

My husband is uber-conscious of this, and has altered his daily

transportation (since we found out about his dad 6 or so years ago now

- and the scary thing is that he should have been in a coma because

his blood sugar was somewhere in the 300's I think it was). But my

husband bikes every day, all year in Chicago - I think he worked it

out that round trip was like 40 miles. We never buy junk stuff on a

regular basis (because we know we'll eat it if it's around) so we keep

veggies like carrots, cherry tomatoes when we had them growing and

picked a quart a day at the peak of the season, and other stuff like

that. Apples, or other fruit, too, but my son will eat them all if we

don't limit them, too (he's an apple fiend like crazy). SO we vary

everything. We keep things on the less sweet side (and I find I like

things better that way, too, but it's easy to forget sometimes) so his

tastes are tuned to that, but he has a definite sweet tooth. I'm just

glad we have to have a talk of 'you can't eat more than 2-3 small

apples a day, ' rather than 'please don't eat a bag of chips or

whatever other stuff'. On special occasions like parties and such we

do have chips/etc, but that's just it. It's an occasion. :)

 

Hope that helps, we've all gone through it with something. :)

Missie

 

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Inga McFadden <ingamcfadden wrote:

> Aloha, One thing that we try to do in our house is not even expose our

> children to something that we do not want them to have. Chocolate soy

> milk was one of our accidental mistakes also and even worse in the

> little boxes with straw! WHAT were we thinking? These have a gross

> amount of sugar..AND..you are setting up their little tastebuds for the

> super sweets that are so much of the problem in the SAD! So.....we

> dropped the cute and easy littles straw boxes. Then we started cutting

> the choco milk with some totally UNSWEETENED rice soy or almond milk.

> Eventually we were at such a low mixture that we could get away with a

> regular milk. We do occasionally buy some Vegan chocolate syrup to top

> our soy ice cream or make a glass of chocolate milk...but it is a

> treat...not a daily must have. The same goes for cookies and chips. We

> find that if the option is fruit...or fruit, that they will always

> choose fruit.

>

>

 

 

 

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We had the same concerns about our son drinking " sugared " soy milk. My

husband always drinks the unsweetened so we had to keep two kinds in

the fridge. One day we ran out of the sweetened and just put

unsweetened in his cup without telling him. That first time/day he

only drank about 4 ounces. That was 3 months ago and now he drinks

about 12-16 ounces of the unsweetened and never complained about the

change. He's 3.5 years old, so you would think he might notice, but he

didn't. So maybe since your little one is only 2, he'll never notice.

I agree with the other post about kids liking ice in drinks. My son

will ask for ice and drinks water and soy milk with ice sometimes just

because he likes it better for some reason.

 

, " itshotinjt04 " <itshotinjt04

wrote:

>

> My 2 year old drinks flavored soy milk. He drinks the Silk brand,

> flavors are chocolate and very vanilla. They use evaporated cane

juice

> in place of sugar, but is it any better? My husband is concerned

about

> diabetes and was wondering if anyone knows if evaporated cane juice

> can lead to it (like refined sugar). I am trying to cut down his

> consumption of so much milk, but there are days when he drinks 3-4

> 12oz cups and that is the only thing he will drink.

> Thanks in advance!!

>

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I am diabetic, and have become vegan to help the health of myself and my

children.  The best thing for your child is to encourage physical activity and

watch his weight, limiting sugars and white processed flours can help in that

respect, but fats also have a large role in weight and the development of

diabetes as current research tells us.  Genetics can play a strong role in

health but so do diet and exercise.  The longer he can maintain a healthy weight

AND maintain a active lifestyle, the longer he can push off the genetic link to

diabetes.

 

As a alternative to sugar when needed, brown rice syrup is made from whole grain

brown rice and is said to have a lower GI than other sweetners.  It can be more

expensive but you might look into that.  Some people use stevia, but it has yet

to be approved in the usa as a sugar substitute, so I do not encourage it for

children who are more affected due to body size.

 

I hope this helps in some way. 

 Laura

 

 

 

 

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Friday, November 7, 2008 12:49:37 PM

Re: soy milk

 

 

have you tried the regular silk vanilla soy milk?  if memory serves, the only

difference is a TON of sugar.  It may be " fortified " for kids, but you can find

the same " fortification " in lots of other foods, a multi-vitamin, and/or a

varied diet.  The only beverage a weaned child really needs is water.  36-48

ounces a day of the very vanilla soy milk is way way way too much sugar for

anyone, especially a 2 yo, in my opinion...  Maybe you could transition to the

regular vanilla by mixing them 50-50 for a week or so, rather than switching

cold turkey?  My 2 yo drinks regular vanilla soy, and once a week we make hot

cocoa, using said soy milk, evap. cane juice, and cocoa powder.  I've always

made it on the less sweet side, so it's what she's used to.  Evap cane juice is

perhaps a little less processed than white sugar, vegan friendly, and a little

more flavorful, but metabolically, about the same.  Good luck.  I hope you find

something that works

for you!

Liz

 

 

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Friday, November 7, 2008 8:24:15 AM

soy milk

 

My 2 year old drinks flavored soy milk. He drinks the Silk brand,

flavors are chocolate and very vanilla. They use evaporated cane juice

in place of sugar, but is it any better? My husband is concerned about

diabetes and was wondering if anyone knows if evaporated cane juice

can lead to it (like refined sugar). I am trying to cut down his

consumption of so much milk, but there are days when he drinks 3-4

12oz cups and that is the only thing he will drink.

Thanks in advance!!

 

 

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> Thankfully, since we're homeschooling, we don't have to deal with this

> issue personally.

>

 

 

This is one of many reasons I'm making the switch to Homeschooling!

I'm so tired of having to send such limited food choices in a cold,

plastic lunch box. When at home I can serve better, healthier food to

my son and not waste resources on plastic wrap, foil, zip locks and

the like. I've tried to send my son's thermos with, but the school

insists on independence and won't help him open the thing, so I've

been having to send soy milk in silk's little juice-box style

packaging. I did it for two weeks and had to stop, the idea of that

garbage pile he was creating was atrocious! Not to mention they don't

let them heat anything up. So his " chick nuggets " or " smart dogs "

come back uneaten or are thrown out because they're cold or slimy by

the time they get to school. I even tried to use some of the recipes

on Vegan Lunchbox [as Shmoo's food is always cold] but my son is just

not into such strange and exotic foods as sometimes fill that lunchbox.

 

Mama Stacey

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> I'd love to see schools

> change their policies to include healthy juices and soy milk as other

> healthy options.

 

 

I did read an article a while ago that confronted the horrible cycle

of milk in America. Dairy farmers are subsidized by the US gov, who

turns around and puts all that milk they just paid for into the school

system. And just to be sure that children drink it, the gov has the

FDA put out this food pyramid and produce all these eating guides for

children that insist that milk is good for children and great for

bones and teeth [which as we all know is not true]. And if that's not

enough, they give young families something like 4-6 FREE gallons of

milk each month through the WIC [women, infants, children]

organization. And then, when we're all sick with asthma, chronic

acne, impotence, osteoporosis and rotting teeth the pharmaceutical

companies makes a mint on prescription drugs and turn right around

and fund gov. politicians campaigns. And, of course, those

politicians swear to focus on children's educations and health by

making sure that every child in America gets milk, this wonderful,

nutritious, bone-building food. A shame really....

 

I wish I could find the link, it was a great article.

 

Mama Stacey

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We participate in WIC each month and most of our milk coupons go to waste. My

oldest will not drink soy, so he drinks the milk in his cereal from WIC. I asked

WIC about getting soy milk and she said that they have talked about allowing soy

milk and that they might implement it by next year. I'm not holding my breath.

The only alternative they have is lactose free milk, but that is still milk. I

spend so much money on soy milk, it would be nice to have the choice.

Unfortunately, eating healthier costs more.

 

 

 

 

 

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When we participated in WIC we could not use the milk or the cheese

because our son has a milk protein allergy. We asked about soymilk or

if we could substitute anything for cheese, but they said no. Just not

to pick up those items. At the time our son was the only one that

qualified, and he was also too young for peanutbutter (and I think the

only thing he did get was lentils and formula, at the time we did eat

eggs, so he got those too). At least we didn't have to pay for the soy

formula we supplemented with in his cereal at the time.

 

When we asked (this was 5 years ago) they said that there were no

plans, but they did agree that there should be an alternative, since

milk allergies seemed to be on the rise. Perhaps, maybe...there is

hope afterall. :) It's not much help if you can't pick up half of what

they give you, right. :)

 

I know what you're going through with them, so I hope for sure that it

does happen!

 

Missie

 

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:16 PM, S & T <itshotinjt04 wrote:

> We participate in WIC each month and most of our milk coupons go to waste.

> My oldest will not drink soy, so he drinks the milk in his cereal from WIC.

> I asked WIC about getting soy milk and she said that they have talked about

> allowing soy milk and that they might implement it by next year. I'm not

> holding my breath. The only alternative they have is lactose free milk, but

> that is still milk. I spend so much money on soy milk, it would be nice to

> have the choice. Unfortunately, eating healthier costs more.

>

>

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Soy milk does not freeze well. You will probably not be able to use

it for drinking, but perhaps for baking, once you have re-mixed it as

well as you can.

 

Pam

 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Judy Goldsmith <judyjtg wrote:

> Is it okay to freeze the light soy milk or does it separate?

>

> Judy

>

>

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Thanks, Pam!

Judy

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pdw

Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:41 AM

 

Re: Soy Milk

 

Soy milk does not freeze well. You will probably not be able to use

it for drinking, but perhaps for baking, once you have re-mixed it as

well as you can.

 

Pam

 

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Judy Goldsmith <judyjtg

wrote:

> Is it okay to freeze the light soy milk or does it separate?

>

> Judy

>

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Hello to all,

 

I really need to know the truth about soy milk. Every meal plan I look up for

kids has 3 servings of soy milk a day. Is soy milk safe??? I know it is a good

source of protein and all the other vitamins if fortified but I'm scared to give

in that quantity to my child. What has been your experience? Did you give or do

you give your child soy milk? At what age did you start? There is so much out

there about soy, I don't know what to believe. I went to a nutritionist and she

told me to stay away from soy milk..she also told me to give my child eggs.. so

I really don't know about her... I think your real experience would really help

me out.

 

Thank you for your support.

 

Sherry

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We don't avoid soy at all. But when it comes to milk, I alternate from

soy milk to almond milk. Just depends on which one I have coupons for or

which is on sale. But we drink both.

 

Jacqueline

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Sherry,

I do not give my three year old soy milk to drink, but I do cook with it

occassionally. For drinking I give him drinks vanilla (and sometimes chocolate)

hemp milk and loves it. It's more expensive, but I'm more comfortable with it,

so it's worth it for me. We do eat soy based foods a couple of times a week,

but I really only worry about the processed soy. I try not to give him too many

veggie chik nuggets or hot dogs, etc, but we eat these at least once/week. Tofu

and edamame do not concern me in the least.

 

I know these are difficult decisions, but I know you're making good choices.

 

Christina

 

 

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Hello to all,

 

 

 

I really need to know the truth about soy milk. Every meal plan I look up for

kids has 3 servings of soy milk a day. Is soy milk safe??? I know it is a good

source of protein and all the other vitamins if fortified but I'm scared to give

in that quantity to my child. What has been your experience? Did you give or do

you give your child soy milk? At what age did you start? There is so much out

there about soy, I don't know what to believe. I went to a nutritionist and she

told me to stay away from soy milk..she also told me to give my child eggs.. so

I really don't know about her... I think your real experience would really help

me out.

 

 

 

Thank you for your support.

 

 

 

Sherry

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi, i have read a lot about soy, both good and bad. I usually mix up my

milk, so i go from soy, to rice to almond. I have changed to tempe instead

of tofu as i have read a lot about fermented soy being better than

unfermented soy. My son is 3 and doesnt have 3 serves of soy milk a day. I

think they should instead say 3 serves of protein? I like to focus on other

beans and lentils instead of tofu. I think too much of anything is bad for

you.

Good luck, its pretty hard with all the confusing information out there.

x Ange

 

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Sherry <sherryzarif wrote:

 

>

>

> Hello to all,

>

> I really need to know the truth about soy milk. Every meal plan I look up

> for kids has 3 servings of soy milk a day. Is soy milk safe??? I know it is

> a good source of protein and all the other vitamins if fortified but I'm

> scared to give in that quantity to my child. What has been your experience?

> Did you give or do you give your child soy milk? At what age did you start?

> There is so much out there about soy, I don't know what to believe. I went

> to a nutritionist and she told me to stay away from soy milk..she also told

> me to give my child eggs.. so I really don't know about her... I think your

> real experience would really help me out.

>

> Thank you for your support.

>

> Sherry

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

" One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November

2001.

 

* The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

 

 

 

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Sherry,

 

Dairy industry run by scaring you, so i am not surprise that you are scared.

Your nutritionist is also indirectly paid bribe the dairy industry then Soy

industry.

 

Dairy industry is well funded like Cigarette industry, so you decide what

good for you.

 

There may be some fact about Soy Milk, however there are 100 more reason not

to drink dairy milk & eggs, here is one

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

 

I have myself and my kids all grew on Soy Milk (our family have adapted

since 60 years), we have no issues. We have also been taught that anything

extreme is bad no matter if it's soy or milk. In face we don't have Sugar,

Blood Pressure, Heart Disease or any other issues in our family.

 

Choice is your

Jay

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Sherry <sherryzarif wrote:

 

>

>

> Hello to all,

>

> I really need to know the truth about soy milk. Every meal plan I look up

> for kids has 3 servings of soy milk a day. Is soy milk safe??? I know it is

> a good source of protein and all the other vitamins if fortified but I'm

> scared to give in that quantity to my child. What has been your experience?

> Did you give or do you give your child soy milk? At what age did you start?

> There is so much out there about soy, I don't know what to believe. I went

> to a nutritionist and she told me to stay away from soy milk..she also told

> me to give my child eggs.. so I really don't know about her... I think your

> real experience would really help me out.

>

> Thank you for your support.

>

> Sherry

>

>

>

 

 

 

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