Soy Milk

May 31, 2003

> >

> Right now I have a mental image of two very-confused kittens staring

> at a plate of creamed spinach

>

*LOL*

Best,

Pat

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May 31, 2003

>

> I got some of the chocolate Sun Soy. It taste great!!

Don't *do* this to me! You'll soon have *me* converted to drinking it ;=)

Best,

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* " I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the

way of a whole human being. " - Abraham Lincoln

* " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have

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May 31, 2003

I had a professor in college that didn't like milk. She claimed she

used *beer* on her cereal...........<blech>

> >

> > I drink it because water is not good on cereal

>

May 31, 2003

Try it. LOL

Janice

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Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:34 AM

Re: Soy Milk

>

> I got some of the chocolate Sun Soy. It taste great!!

Don't *do* this to me! You'll soon have *me* converted to drinking it ;=)

Best,

Pat

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men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " -

Immanuel Kant

* " I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the

way of a whole human being. " - Abraham Lincoln

* " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have

the burden of proving it. "

- Franz Fanon

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May 31, 2003

I had a professor in college that didn't like milk.

She claimed she

used *beer* on her cereal...........<blech>

> >

> > I drink it because water is not good on cereal

My Hubby had a roommate at one point who was allergic

to milk and ate apple juice on his cereal. I guess

it's just what you are used to.

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May 31, 2003

Oh, my son *LOVED* apple juice on his cereal, from the time he

was about three.........He even put Kool-Aid on it once~ but didn't

care for it!!.........he is grown and married now; I have no clue if he

even eats cereal anymore.......

On 31 May 2003 at 17:50, Sherri wrote:

> My Hubby had a roommate at one point who was allergic

> to milk and ate apple juice on his cereal. I guess

> it's just what you are used to.

>

May 31, 2003

my dad and brother have both used water on cereal and

claimed that is wasn't that bad. : )

--- Pixx <lists wrote:

> I had a professor in college that didn't like milk.

> She claimed she

> used *beer* on her cereal...........<blech>

>

> > >

> > > I drink it because water is not good on cereal

>

> >

>

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January 23, 2004

COSTCO has soy milk???

Since when??

-

cheryl lewman

Friday, January 23, 2004 8:18 AM

soy milk

I just read that many brands of soy milk use barley in the process. Does

anyone know what brands do or don't? I am currently using Costco's Kirkland

brand, because it's super cheap, but I used to use Trader Joe's brand.

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-I just recently joined Costco, but they've had it for at least six

months. It's in the same aisle as the powdered dairy products. They

only have the vanilla flavor, but it's such a good price and it

tastes good. I'm just concerned now because I pretty much live off

soy milk so if they really do process it in barley then I think I'm

in trouble!

C

-- In , " SYLVIA TERRY "

<samzco34@p...> wrote:

> COSTCO has soy milk???

> Since when??

> -

> cheryl lewman

>

> Friday, January 23, 2004 8:18 AM

> soy milk

>

> I just read that many brands of soy milk use barley in the

process. Does anyone know what brands do or don't? I am currently

using Costco's Kirkland brand, because it's super cheap, but I used

to use Trader Joe's brand.

> Thanks

>

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January 24, 2004

What doesn't kill me makes me stronger

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anthropology_folklore

Friday, January 23, 2004 2:52 PM

Re: soy milk

-I just recently joined Costco, but they've had it for at least six

months. It's in the same aisle as the powdered dairy products. They

only have the vanilla flavor, but it's such a good price and it

tastes good. I'm just concerned now because I pretty much live off

soy milk so if they really do process it in barley then I think I'm

in trouble!

C

-- In , " SYLVIA TERRY "

<samzco34@p...> wrote:

> COSTCO has soy milk???

> Since when??

> -

> cheryl lewman

>

> Friday, January 23, 2004 8:18 AM

> soy milk

>

> I just read that many brands of soy milk use barley in the

process. Does anyone know what brands do or don't? I am currently

using Costco's Kirkland brand, because it's super cheap, but I used

to use Trader Joe's brand.

> Thanks

>

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January 24, 2004

Thanks, I will check this out the next time I go to Spokane.

-

anthropology_folklore

Friday, January 23, 2004 2:52 PM

Re: soy milk

-I just recently joined Costco, but they've had it for at least six

months. It's in the same aisle as the powdered dairy products. They

only have the vanilla flavor, but it's such a good price and it

tastes good. I'm just concerned now because I pretty much live off

soy milk so if they really do process it in barley then I think I'm

in trouble!

C

-- In , " SYLVIA TERRY "

<samzco34@p...> wrote:

> COSTCO has soy milk???

> Since when??

> -

> cheryl lewman

>

> Friday, January 23, 2004 8:18 AM

> soy milk

>

> I just read that many brands of soy milk use barley in the

process. Does anyone know what brands do or don't? I am currently

using Costco's Kirkland brand, because it's super cheap, but I used

to use Trader Joe's brand.

> Thanks

>

> SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!

>

January 25, 2004

Actually, they have repackaged the Silk Brand of soy milk. I t is at a very

good price! We also buy that a lot.

Tracy

<< COSTCO has soy milk???

Since when?? >>

January 25, 2004

What is that price if you remember?

-

faytk

Sunday, January 25, 2004 1:41 PM

Re: soy milk

Actually, they have repackaged the Silk Brand of soy milk. I t is at a very

good price! We also buy that a lot.

Tracy

<< COSTCO has soy milk???

Since when?? >>

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January 26, 2004

Seems like it comes out to a little under a dollar per box of milk. I like

these because you can store them on the shelf. Our Costco also sells Silk milk

in the half gallon containers in the fridge but then you have to store 3 of

them in the fridge.

The boxes are less expensive than the refrigerated ones too.

Tracy

February 12, 2004

I think Vitasoy may contain carrageenan. See below for Dr. Weil's opinion.

I drink Soy Dream because it doesn't contain carrageenan.

Today's Question

Can Carrageenan in Some Soy Milk Cause Cancer?

I just started drinking soy milk. Now, I find out some brands contain

carrageenan which has been shown to cause cancer in test rats/mice. What do you

know about carrageenan?

-- Amy Vitale

Today's Answer

(Published 03/21/2002)

Carrageenan is a common food additive that comes from red seaweed also

known as Irish Moss or Chondrus Crispus. Carrageen has long been used as a

thickener and emulsifier in ice cream, yogurt, cottage cheese and other

processed food products - including soy milk.

However, results of a study published this past October suggest that

carrageenan may not be as safe as once thought. Findings from animal studies and

a review of the scientific literature showed that degraded forms of carrageenan

can cause ulcerations and cancers of the gastrointestinal tract.

The researcher who made the connection between carrageenan and cancer,

Joanne Tobacman, an assistant professor of clinical internal medicine at the

University of Iowa College of Medicine, noted that as long ago as 1972 the FDA

determined that there was enough evidence from animal studies to limit the type

of carrageenan that could be used in foods. However, in 1979, the FDA rescinded

its proposed limitation and since then, no action has been taken.

Concerns about carrageenan have centered on the " degraded " type which is

distinguished from the " undegraded " type by its lower molecular weight. Most of

the studies linking carrageenan to cancer and other gastrointestinal disorders

have focused on degraded carrageenan. But Dr. Tobacman thinks that undegraded

carrageenan - the kind most widely used as a food additive - might also be

associated with malignancies and other stomach problems. She suggests that such

factors as bacterial action, stomach acid and food preparation may transform

undegraded carrageenan into the more dangerous degraded type. Dr. Tobacman's

findings were published in the October 2001 issue of Environmental Health

Perspectives, a publication of the National Institute for Environmental Health

Sciences (NIEHS), a branch of the National Institutes of Health. So far, no

government action has been taken as a result of Dr. Tobacman's findings. She is

currently looking into the possibility of an association between carrageenan and

breast cancer risk.

Given this new information on carrageenan, I would recommend avoiding

regular consumption of products containing it. While some brands of soy milk do

contain the additive, others do not. With a little research you should be able

to find a product that suits your taste and doesn't contain carrageenan.

Dr. Andrew Weil

-

ringtwins

Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:05 PM

soy milk

Does anyone know of anything particularly wrong with vitasoy? My

husband has become vegan...YEA!!!!!!! and the only soy milk he likes

is vitasoy. He likes rice milk also but prefers vitasoy. Thanks for

any help. Sharon

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

February 12, 2004

I LOVE vitasoy - its the only kind my family drinks.

, " ringtwins " <ringtwins> wrote:

> Does anyone know of anything particularly wrong with vitasoy? My

> husband has become vegan...YEA!!!!!!! and the only soy milk he likes

> is vitasoy. He likes rice milk also but prefers vitasoy. Thanks for

> any help. Sharon

February 13, 2004

My family loves Vitasoy as well. When ever it goes on

sale we stock up. The only think wrong with it is it

is higher in sugar than most other soy milks, but it

is vegan and the fortified Vitasoy is fairly

nutritious.

Vegemini

--- ringtwins <ringtwins wrote:

> Does anyone know of anything particularly wrong with

> vitasoy? My

> husband has become vegan...YEA!!!!!!! and the only

> soy milk he likes

> is vitasoy. He likes rice milk also but prefers

> vitasoy. Thanks for

> any help. Sharon

>

February 13, 2004

Vitasoy doesn't contain carrageenan which is why I started buying it. It

also tastes good and is organic.

Mel.

>

> Christine Morrill [christinemorrill]

> Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:24 AM

>

> Re: soy milk

>

> I think Vitasoy may contain carrageenan. See below for Dr.

> Weil's opinion.

>

> I drink Soy Dream because it doesn't contain carrageenan.

>

> Today's Question

> Can Carrageenan in Some Soy Milk Cause Cancer?

>

> I just started drinking soy milk. Now, I find out some

> brands contain carrageenan which has been shown to cause cancer

> in test rats/mice. What do you know about carrageenan?

>

> -- Amy Vitale

>

> Today's Answer

> (Published 03/21/2002)

> Carrageenan is a common food additive that comes from red

> seaweed also known as Irish Moss or Chondrus Crispus. Carrageen

> has long been used as a thickener and emulsifier in ice cream,

> yogurt, cottage cheese and other processed food products -

> including soy milk.

>

> However, results of a study published this past October

> suggest that carrageenan may not be as safe as once thought.

> Findings from animal studies and a review of the scientific

> literature showed that degraded forms of carrageenan can cause

> ulcerations and cancers of the gastrointestinal tract.

>

> The researcher who made the connection between carrageenan

> and cancer, Joanne Tobacman, an assistant professor of clinical

> internal medicine at the University of Iowa College of Medicine,

> noted that as long ago as 1972 the FDA determined that there was

> enough evidence from animal studies to limit the type of

> carrageenan that could be used in foods. However, in 1979, the

> FDA rescinded its proposed limitation and since then, no action

> has been taken.

>

> Concerns about carrageenan have centered on the " degraded "

> type which is distinguished from the " undegraded " type by its

> lower molecular weight. Most of the studies linking carrageenan

> to cancer and other gastrointestinal disorders have focused on

> degraded carrageenan. But Dr. Tobacman thinks that undegraded

> carrageenan - the kind most widely used as a food additive -

> might also be associated with malignancies and other stomach

> problems. She suggests that such factors as bacterial action,

> stomach acid and food preparation may transform undegraded

> carrageenan into the more dangerous degraded type. Dr. Tobacman's

> findings were published in the October 2001 issue of

> Environmental Health Perspectives, a publication of the National

> Institute for Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), a branch of

> the National Institutes of Health. So far, no government action

> has been taken as a result of Dr. Tobacman's findings. She is

> currently looking into the possibility of an association between

> carrageenan and breast cancer risk.

>

> Given this new information on carrageenan, I would

> recommend avoiding regular consumption of products containing it.

> While some brands of soy milk do contain the additive, others do

> not. With a little research you should be able to find a product

> that suits your taste and doesn't contain carrageenan.

>

> Dr. Andrew Weil

>

> -

> ringtwins

>

> Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:05 PM

> soy milk

>

> Does anyone know of anything particularly wrong with vitasoy? My

> husband has become vegan...YEA!!!!!!! and the only soy milk he likes

> is vitasoy. He likes rice milk also but prefers vitasoy. Thanks for

> any help. Sharon

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG

> website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful

> for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion

> list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice.

> Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

February 13, 2004

I checked the ingredients and it doesn't contain

carrageenan. So hopefully he can continue to drink it.

thanks to everyone for responding. Sharon

--- Christine Morrill <christinemorrill

wrote:

> I think Vitasoy may contain carrageenan. See below

> for Dr. Weil's opinion.

>

> I drink Soy Dream because it doesn't contain

> carrageenan.

>

> Today's Question

> Can Carrageenan in Some Soy Milk Cause Cancer?

>

> I just started drinking soy milk. Now, I find

> out some brands contain carrageenan which has been

> shown to cause cancer in test rats/mice. What do you

> know about carrageenan?

>

> -- Amy Vitale

>

> Today's Answer

> (Published 03/21/2002)

> Carrageenan is a common food additive that

> comes from red seaweed also known as Irish Moss or

> Chondrus Crispus. Carrageen has long been used as a

> thickener and emulsifier in ice cream, yogurt,

> cottage cheese and other processed food products -

> including soy milk.

>

> However, results of a study published this

> past October suggest that carrageenan may not be as

> safe as once thought. Findings from animal studies

> and a review of the scientific literature showed

> that degraded forms of carrageenan can cause

> ulcerations and cancers of the gastrointestinal

> tract.

>

> The researcher who made the connection between

> carrageenan and cancer, Joanne Tobacman, an

> assistant professor of clinical internal medicine at

> the University of Iowa College of Medicine, noted

> that as long ago as 1972 the FDA determined that

> there was enough evidence from animal studies to

> limit the type of carrageenan that could be used in

> foods. However, in 1979, the FDA rescinded its

> proposed limitation and since then, no action has

> been taken.

>

> Concerns about carrageenan have centered on

> the " degraded " type which is distinguished from the

> " undegraded " type by its lower molecular weight.

> Most of the studies linking carrageenan to cancer

> and other gastrointestinal disorders have focused on

> degraded carrageenan. But Dr. Tobacman thinks that

> undegraded carrageenan - the kind most widely used

> as a food additive - might also be associated with

> malignancies and other stomach problems. She

> suggests that such factors as bacterial action,

> stomach acid and food preparation may transform

> undegraded carrageenan into the more dangerous

> degraded type. Dr. Tobacman's findings were

> published in the October 2001 issue of Environmental

> Health Perspectives, a publication of the National

> Institute for Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS),

> a branch of the National Institutes of Health. So

> far, no government action has been taken as a result

> of Dr. Tobacman's findings. She is currently looking

> into the possibility of an association between

> carrageenan and breast cancer risk.

>

> Given this new information on carrageenan, I

> would recommend avoiding regular consumption of

> products containing it. While some brands of soy

> milk do contain the additive, others do not. With a

> little research you should be able to find a product

> that suits your taste and doesn't contain

> carrageenan.

>

> Dr. Andrew Weil

>

> -

> ringtwins

>

> Wednesday, February 11, 2004 12:05 PM

> soy milk

>

> Does anyone know of anything particularly wrong

> with vitasoy? My

> husband has become vegan...YEA!!!!!!! and the only

> soy milk he likes

> is vitasoy. He likes rice milk also but prefers

> vitasoy. Thanks for

> any help. Sharon

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please

> visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for

> materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list

> and is not intended to provide personal medical

> advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained

> from a qualified health professional.

>

February 13, 2004

The refrigerated variety does contain carrageenen but the shelf

variety (which is what my family buys) does not contain it. Not sure

why the difference in their two product types. One other added

benefit of Vitasoy is that they only use organic soybeans. Hurray!

, " Christine Morrill "

<christinemorrill@c...> wrote:

> I think Vitasoy may contain carrageenan. See below for Dr. Weil's

opinion.

February 17, 2004

Here are the ingredients from the vitasoy website for the refrigerated vitasoy.

This does contain carrageenan. Maybe the aseptic kind doesn't have it??

VITASOY CREAMY ORIGINAL SOYMILK

VITASOY Creamy Original Soymilk is now enriched with Calcium and vitamins and is

still made from whole organic soybeans. Its creamy milk-like taste is great by

the glass, over cereal or in soups and sauces and is a perfect substitute for

anything requiring milk. Please refer to our extensive recipe database for

further usage ideas. Available in quarts and half-gallon sizes.

View the Nutrition Facts

*servings per container based on half gallon

Ingredients: Filtered water, organic whole soybeans, organic cane juice (dried),

Tricalcium Phosphate, salt, natural flavor, Carrageenan, Vitamin A Acetate,

Vitamin D2, Zinc Oxide, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12.

-

Melanie Mobbs

Friday, February 13, 2004 2:27 PM

RE: soy milk