Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 In a message dated 6/14/03 2:56:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, metalscarab writes: I really don't think non-vegans care too much about what vegans wear. I don't see that it actually makes any difference at all in the "promotion" of veganism. *shrug* it does to some... it can lead to the the call of "hypocrite".."wot are those boots made of mr vegan?" etc me..my boots be vegan, tho, i still have my original pair of docs laying about somehwere...dang things are..oh gawd..20 years old...where does the time go.. i still have my old leather jacket, which, unless someone wants to replace it for me, i'm stuck with til i can afford to buy another...tis a sad fact..but..since i ride a motorcycle, i need a vegan alternative that will work, and at the moment, that is beyond my budget...would i like to replace it? sure...but..we all have to make choices..and the dang thing is probably older then the docs... cheers fraggle *very happy his spikey belts be now vegan* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 In a message dated 6/15/03 1:25:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Heartwork writes: Also - imitation leather looks exactly like leather - so how would they know what your shoes are made of. They ask the same if you are wearing non-leather yeah..but i wouldn't want to lie heh.... face it..since we forge a different path, the onus is going to be on us(heh) because we stand out, because we make a stand, because we make others feel uncomfortable with their value and moral choices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 In a message dated 6/15/03 7:27:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, metalscarab writes: It only comes out twice a year - the rest of the time I keep it well hidden :-) when you don yer execuitioners hood, er when you sentence panhandlers tohard labor? *cries at his lost innocence* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 Hi Fraggle > i'm just sorta mortified that Peter owns a suit.... > *blinks*> oh peter, my whole image of you is shattered ferever... It only comes out twice a year - the rest of the time I keep it well hidden :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 Hi Fraggle > when you don yer execuitioners hood, er when you sentence panhandlers tohard labor? > *cries at his lost innocence* Nah - when I inflict my singing on them!!! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 How about donating them to charity--to a homeless shelter, say--or giving them to a friend who hasn't changed? Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " simonpjones " <simonpjones Re: vegetarian meat eaters Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:22:30 +0100 - Peter Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:41 AM Re: vegetarian meat eaters Simon I think even fewer people would consider giving up eating animals if they realised at the outset that they would be expected to instantly through away their collection of shoes, bags, belts, wool etc. etc. etc. It is sensible to finish using the items you already posses and then buy non-animal items the next time round.> Jo I would be surprised if many have given up so many animal products, say in one day...if, being new to veganism. Ideally..the sooner the animals products are given up the better.. is really all I'm saying. Sometimes leather takes a long time to wear out. SP SP - simonpjones Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:06 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Peter I just think it's not the best way to promotes non- animal cruelty, and doesn'tr really give out a positive message to people.. to giving up animal products. SP ---- Original Message ----- Peter Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:44 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Simon > Is it really good practise to wear animal skins? What harm does it do to continue to wear animal products which you already had? I can fully understand the harm done by buying more animal products, but I'm mystified as to what harm is done by using what you already have. After all, it's not as though the animal can suffer or die any more than it already has! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 I can see yur point, Peter, but only partly agree with it. Shoes, yes I can see. When I turned vegetarian many years ago, I wore my shoes until they wore out, but then replaced them with non-leather ones. Everything else I had though, I kept an eye out for people who were looking to buy anyway. I had a pair of leather trousers, but swapped them with someone who had just got a motorbike for his no longer used guitar and practice amp. Similarly the leather jacket. I was talking to someone at a party who said they were going to buy one the next weekend. I arranged to swap mine for a non-leather jacket. This way I stopped leather being bought, and didn't waste what I already had by throwing it away. This was around 1980, long before I turned vegan. Not judging you at all, we all make our own decisions on such things, but to not eat meat yet wear leather seemed hypocritical to me even then. To do otherwise, would be like an actress buying a fur coat, then saying she wouldn't buy another one, but would wear that until it wore out, surely? Dave ---- 15 June 2003 09:40:59 Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Danielle > There are some anti-veg assholes who will do everything they can to pick on > you for every misstep. They're the sort who will harsh on you for wearing > leather shoes, even if you did buy them long before you went vegan; they > won't hear or care about that part. They'd be nasty whatever you do - that's the way bullies are. It's not like not wearing the leather shoes is going to miraculously convert these people into vegans, and I don't see why they should bully us into wasting our money BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 This is okay if you can afford to give your good clothes away and replace them instantly. It's pretty expensive to buy food and other essentials where I live - I can't just buy clothes at the drop of a hat. Jo - Danielle Kichler Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:15 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters How about donating them to charity--to a homeless shelter, say--or giving them to a friend who hasn't changed?Danielle"This is your American dreamEverything is simple in the white and the blackYou will never need to see the grey anymoreYou will never have to be afraid."--Everclear----Original Message Follows----"simonpjones" <simonpjones To: Re: vegetarian meat eatersSun, 15 Jun 2003 10:22:30 +0100 - Peter Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:41 AM Re: vegetarian meat eaters Simon I think even fewer people would consider giving up eating animals if they realised at the outset that they would be expected to instantly through away their collection of shoes, bags, belts, wool etc. etc. etc. It is sensible to finish using the items you already posses and then buy non-animal items the next time round.> Jo I would be surprised if many have given up so many animal products, say in one day...if, being new to veganism. Ideally..the sooner the animals products are given up the better.. is really all I'm saying. Sometimes leather takes a long time to wear out. SP SP - simonpjones Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:06 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Peter I just think it's not the best way to promotes non- animal cruelty, and doesn'tr really give out a positive message to people.. to giving up animal products. SP ---- Original Message ----- Peter Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:44 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Simon > Is it really good practise to wear animal skins? What harm does it do to continue to wear animal products which you already had? I can fully understand the harm done by buying more animal products, but I'm mystified as to what harm is done by using what you already have. After all, it's not as though the animal can suffer or die any more than it already has! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 If the actress bought a fur coat and then turned vegan there would be no point in getting rid of the fur coat. Presumably if she was already vegan she wouldn't buy a fur coat. I cannot grasp the points people are making. If you already have something why get rid of it - what do you or the animal gain? Jo - Dave Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:32 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters I can see yur point, Peter, but only partly agree with it. Shoes, yes I cansee. When I turned vegetarian many years ago, I wore my shoes until theywore out, but then replaced them with non-leather ones. Everything else I had though, I kept an eye out for people who were lookingto buy anyway. I had a pair of leather trousers, but swapped them withsomeone who had just got a motorbike for his no longer used guitar andpractice amp. Similarly the leather jacket. I was talking to someone at aparty who said they were going to buy one the next weekend. I arranged toswap mine for a non-leather jacket. This way I stopped leather being bought, and didn't waste what I already hadby throwing it away. This was around 1980, long before I turned vegan. Notjudging you at all, we all make our own decisions on such things, but to noteat meat yet wear leather seemed hypocritical to me even then. To do otherwise, would be like an actress buying a fur coat, then saying shewouldn't buy another one, but would wear that until it wore out, surely? Dave ---- 15 June 2003 09:40:59 Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Danielle > There are some anti-veg assholes who will do everything they can to pickon > you for every misstep. They're the sort who will harsh on you for wearing> leather shoes, even if you did buy them long before you went vegan; they > won't hear or care about that part. They'd be nasty whatever you do - that's the way bullies are. It's not likenot wearing the leather shoes is going to miraculously convert these peopleinto vegans, and I don't see why they should bully us into wasting our moneyBB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 15, 2003 Hi Dave > Everything else I had though, I kept an eye out for people who were looking > to buy anyway. I had a pair of leather trousers, but swapped them with> someone who had just got a motorbike for his no longer used guitar and> practice amp. Similarly the leather jacket. I was talking to someone at a> party who said they were going to buy one the next weekend. I arranged to> swap mine for a non-leather jacket. > This way I stopped leather being bought, and didn't waste what I already had> by throwing it away. This was around 1980, long before I turned vegan. Not> judging you at all, we all make our own decisions on such things, but to not> eat meat yet wear leather seemed hypocritical to me even then. That's great if you know the people. If you happen to hear of anyone in the South of England the same size and shape as me looking for a suit who will be willing to buy me a new one in return for my old one, please let me know. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 Fair point, Peter. With a suit it's rather like shoes. A lot of effort for little return. I was more making a general point though, that there are options for leather items in particular. Dave ---- 15 June 2003 19:55:29 Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Dave > Everything else I had though, I kept an eye out for people who were looking > to buy anyway. I had a pair of leather trousers, but swapped them with > someone who had just got a motorbike for his no longer used guitar and > practice amp. Similarly the leather jacket. I was talking to someone at a > party who said they were going to buy one the next weekend. I arranged to > swap mine for a non-leather jacket. > This way I stopped leather being bought, and didn't waste what I already had > by throwing it away. This was around 1980, long before I turned vegan. Not > judging you at all, we all make our own decisions on such things, but to not > eat meat yet wear leather seemed hypocritical to me even then. That's great if you know the people. If you happen to hear of anyone in the South of England the same size and shape as me looking for a suit who will be willing to buy me a new one in return for my old one, please let me know. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 With the fur coat thing, Jo, there would be an option. Presumably our mythical actress would know someone else who wanted one and by selling, exchanging or giving it to them, they could prevent another fur coat being bought. ---- 15 June 2003 19:49:02 Re: vegetarian meat eaters If the actress bought a fur coat and then turned vegan there would be no point in getting rid of the fur coat. Presumably if she was already vegan she wouldn't buy a fur coat. I cannot grasp the points people are making. If you already have something why get rid of it - what do you or the animal gain? Jo - Dave Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:32 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters I can see yur point, Peter, but only partly agree with it. Shoes, yes I can see. When I turned vegetarian many years ago, I wore my shoes until they wore out, but then replaced them with non-leather ones. Everything else I had though, I kept an eye out for people who were looking to buy anyway. I had a pair of leather trousers, but swapped them with someone who had just got a motorbike for his no longer used guitar and practice amp. Similarly the leather jacket. I was talking to someone at a party who said they were going to buy one the next weekend. I arranged to swap mine for a non-leather jacket. This way I stopped leather being bought, and didn't waste what I already had by throwing it away. This was around 1980, long before I turned vegan. Not judging you at all, we all make our own decisions on such things, but to not eat meat yet wear leather seemed hypocritical to me even then. To do otherwise, would be like an actress buying a fur coat, then saying she wouldn't buy another one, but would wear that until it wore out, surely? Dave ---- 15 June 2003 09:40:59 Re: vegetarian meat eaters Hi Danielle > There are some anti-veg assholes who will do everything they can to pick on > you for every misstep. They're the sort who will harsh on you for wearing > leather shoes, even if you did buy them long before you went vegan; they > won't hear or care about that part. They'd be nasty whatever you do - that's the way bullies are. It's not like not wearing the leather shoes is going to miraculously convert these people into vegans, and I don't see why they should bully us into wasting our money BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 If we are to be looking at animals and humans in the same light..would we be wearing human skins? - " Dave " <tfalbb Monday, June 16, 2003 1:48 AM Re: vegetarian meat eaters > With the fur coat thing, Jo, there would be an option. Presumably our > mythical actress would know someone else who wanted one and by selling, > exchanging or giving it to them, they could prevent another fur coat being > bought. > > ---- > > > 15 June 2003 19:49:02 > > Re: vegetarian meat eaters > > If the actress bought a fur coat and then turned vegan there would be no > point in getting rid of the fur coat. Presumably if she was already vegan > she wouldn't buy a fur coat. > > I cannot grasp the points people are making. If you already have something > why get rid of it - what do you or the animal gain? > > Jo > - > Dave > > Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:32 PM > Re: vegetarian meat eaters > > > I can see yur point, Peter, but only partly agree with it. Shoes, yes I can > see. When I turned vegetarian many years ago, I wore my shoes until they > wore out, but then replaced them with non-leather ones. > > Everything else I had though, I kept an eye out for people who were looking > to buy anyway. I had a pair of leather trousers, but swapped them with > someone who had just got a motorbike for his no longer used guitar and > practice amp. Similarly the leather jacket. I was talking to someone at a > party who said they were going to buy one the next weekend. I arranged to > swap mine for a non-leather jacket. > > This way I stopped leather being bought, and didn't waste what I already had > by throwing it away. This was around 1980, long before I turned vegan. Not > judging you at all, we all make our own decisions on such things, but to not > eat meat yet wear leather seemed hypocritical to me even then. > > To do otherwise, would be like an actress buying a fur coat, then saying she > wouldn't buy another one, but would wear that until it wore out, surely? > > Dave > > ---- > > > 15 June 2003 09:40:59 > > Re: vegetarian meat eaters > > Hi Danielle > > > There are some anti-veg assholes who will do everything they can to pick > on > > you for every misstep. They're the sort who will harsh on you for wearing > > > leather shoes, even if you did buy them long before you went vegan; they > > won't hear or care about that part. > > They'd be nasty whatever you do - that's the way bullies are. It's not like > not wearing the leather shoes is going to miraculously convert these people > into vegans, and I don't see why they should bully us into wasting our money > > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 Hi Peter! I completely agree! Unfortunately I cannot afford to throw away a couple of things as well. But I have slowly gotten rids of things as I could. And will continue to do so as I can. nikki The universe is transformation; our life is what our thoughts make it. Marcus Aurelius , " Peter " <metalscarab@o...> wrote: > Hi Wendy > > > What about simply passing the items on to someone else or to a charity shop? Morally speaking, I don't want to benefit > > from an animal that has suffered and/or been murdered. Those animal products were never ours in the first place. We > > changed, we became vegans. > > Unfortunately, becomming vegan doesn't mean that we somehow all become rich and can afford to replace all our clothing, wallets, bags, etc. My only " animal " item left now is a 10 year old 40% wool suit - and with suits costing somewhere over £100, giving it away and having to buy a new vegan one (which would probably be 4 times more expensive) simply isn't an option. > > I also think it is a shame you need to be quite so judgemental about people who choose a slightly different morality to your own. People differ considerably in their moral views, and you shouldn't simply expect everyone to agree with you. Please try not to be a fundamentalist vegan :-) > > Personally, I feel that if you have already paid for the item (before becomming vegan), then continuing to use it is not doing any more harm. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 Only if you see things in pure black and white or if there is no room for negotiation. Than I agree. nikki The universe is transformation; our life is what our thoughts make it. Marcus Aurelius , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@o...> wrote: > Maybe > > Jo > I think I'm in the wrong chatroom!! > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 02/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 Hi Danielle! Than at that point, I do not care to discuss it with them. I have never found talking to walls a rewarding task. Which is why I am happy to be here with you all! nikki The universe is transformation; our life is what our thoughts make it. Marcus Aurelius , " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart@h...> wrote: > There are some anti-veg assholes who will do everything they can to pick on > you for every misstep. They're the sort who will harsh on you for wearing > leather shoes, even if you did buy them long before you went vegan; they > won't hear or care about that part. > > Danielle > > > > " This is your American dream > Everything is simple in the white and the black > You will never need to see the grey anymore > You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Peter " <metalscarab@o...> > > > Re: vegetarian meat eaters > Sat, 14 Jun 2003 22:52:28 +0100 > > Hi Simon > > > I just think it's not the best way to promotes non- animal cruelty, and > doesn'tr really give out a positive message to people.. to > > giving up animal products. > > I really don't think non-vegans care too much about what vegans wear. I > don't see that it actually makes any difference at all in the " promotion " of > veganism. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 > > _______________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 Hi Simon > If we are to be looking at animals and humans in the same light..would we > be wearing human skins? If I had them before realising I didn't want to harm humans then...yes. Incidentally, I believe that many wigs are still made with human hair - so people clearly do wear human "parts" without much concern. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2003 If we are to look at animals and humans in the same light..would we > be wearing human skins? sp> If I had them before realising I didn't want to harm humans then...yes.> bb> Like many people,I imagine. sp> Incidentally, I believe that many wigs are still made with human hair - so people clearly do wear human "parts" without much concern bb> yes indeed...but the question is ..has anyone/creature been wilfully harmed in order to get whatever it is...that is taken from them. sp>Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 17, 2003 But don't the humans consent to having their hair cut? Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <metalscarab Re: vegetarian meat eaters Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:25:42 +0100 Hi Simon > If we are to be looking at animals and humans in the same light..would we > be wearing human skins? If I had them before realising I didn't want to harm humans then...yes. Incidentally, I believe that many wigs are still made with human hair - so people clearly do wear human " parts " without much concern. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 _______________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Hi Simon > yes indeed...but the question is ..has anyone/creature been wilfully harmed in order to get whatever it is...that is taken from > them. Do you think any non-vegan wearing leather cares whether or not an animal was harmed? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Hi Danielle > But don't the humans consent to having their hair cut? What does that have to do with what we are discussing? Do people (in general) care about human suffering when they drink a cup of tea, or buy their nice shiny Nike trainers or Gap jeans? Why would they have any more concern for how their wigs are made? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 17, 2003 Do you think any non-vegan wearing leather cares whether or not an animal was harmed? BB Peter> My point was..is anyone harmed by using human hair in wigs etc.. as apposed to animal- slaughter etc? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 got a point there. " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <metalscarab Re: vegetarian meat eaters Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:12:03 +0100 Hi Danielle > But don't the humans consent to having their hair cut? What does that have to do with what we are discussing? Do people (in general) care about human suffering when they drink a cup of tea, or buy their nice shiny Nike trainers or Gap jeans? Why would they have any more concern for how their wigs are made? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 Hi Simon > My point was..is anyone harmed by using human hair in wigs etc.. as apposed to animal- slaughter etc? I'm afraid that I can't see the relevance in that to what we were talking about. The discussion was about whether people found it distasteful to wear human parts, not whether there was any harm done to humans in producing such products. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2003 - Peter Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:02 PM Re: vegetarian meat eaters > My point was..is anyone harmed by using human hair in wigs etc.. as apposed to animal- slaughter etc? I'm afraid that I can't see the relevance in that to what we were talking about. The discussion was about whether people found it distasteful to wear human parts, not whether there was any harm done to humans in producing such products. BB Peter> Hi Peter My point from the beginning is, it looks very distastfull to me..people wearing animal skins and 'vegans' wearing and trading them as... that doesn't seem to me as taking the issue very seriously. People wearing other peoples hair on their heads...a little comical...but I can't see any harm in that. If humans got into the habit of skinning, eating and wearing each-other skins..well what would think? If I was to fully accept humans and animals being on equal terms..then viewing the current state of how animals are treated..it would have to lead to a real out and out war against meat- eaters..although gentle persuasion is the more desirable option. SP ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.487 / Virus Database: 286 - Release 01/06/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
