Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us how to live in peace with one another..Love for one another being central for that achivement. I would be foolish to ignore that insight or at least acknowledge where itn came from. S - Heartwork Monday, May 12, 2003 11:52 PM Re: That's it. The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to use representations, but sometimes they are used. Jo Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why the catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. Simon - EBbrewpunx Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM Re: That's it. In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amylia_21 writes: Actually, I believe the first "Christian church" took place in the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big buildings that people go to on Sunday back then.they actually went to temple on saturday i believe:) To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 The problem, Simon, is very few xtians actually follow Jesus' teachings. I mean, look at George W. Bush, who loves to play the Jesus card; I don't think he has a compassionate bone in his body, unless it's in the form of tax cuts for the rich. And from what little I know of ol' JC, I don't think he'd be too happy about that. Paganism, from what I gather, is to coexist with nature and all creatures in a peaceful manner. I gather it is a collection of various beliefs--Wicca is under this umbrella--that respects the earth above all. If I'm wrong about this, someone please correct me. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " simonpjones " <simonpjones Re: That's it. Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:06 +0100 What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us how to live in peace with one another..Love for one another being central for that achivement. I would be foolish to ignore that insight or at least acknowledge where itn came from. S - Heartwork Monday, May 12, 2003 11:52 PM Re: That's it. The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to use representations, but sometimes they are used. Jo Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why the catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. Simon - EBbrewpunx Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM Re: That's it. In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amylia_21 writes: Actually, I believe the first " Christian church " took place in the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. they actually went to temple on saturday i believe To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Jo, > I'm assuming that you would choose to look after your children. ! Yes, definitely. Or, in my case, since I don't have any kids, our pets. Though I think my wife might be a bit annoyed if I tried to argue that one of us needs to stay at home to do that! John - " Heartwork " <Heartwork Monday, May 12, 2003 7:46 PM Re: That's it. > Hi John > > I'm assuming that you would choose to look after your children. Many men > are really good at looking after their children - my husband being one of > them. He would have loved to stay home and look after them, but he could > earn a lot more money than me - so the choice was made. I must say though > that I enjoyed looking after them. > > Jo> Why would a man want to stay and home and care for children they love, > in an > > environment of their choosing, instead of toiling 9-5 in a sterlie office > > for people they care nothing for? > > > > Hmm. I know which I'd go for if I had a choice. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I't would be better if people called them false Chrisitians..or nsomething similiar rather then including Jesus C in anti Christianity> .. > The problem, Simon, is very few xtians actually follow Jesus' teachings. I > mean, look at George W. Bush, who loves to play the Jesus card; I don't > think he has a compassionate bone in his body, unless it's in the form of > tax cuts for the rich. And from what little I know of ol' JC, I don't think > he'd be too happy about that. > > Paganism, from what I gather, is to coexist with nature and all creatures in > a peaceful manner. I gather it is a collection of various beliefs--Wicca is > under this umbrella--that respects the earth above all. If I'm wrong about > this, someone please correct me. > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > > Re: That's it. > Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:06 +0100 > > What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? > > From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us > how to live in peace with one another..Love for one another being central > for that achivement. > I would be foolish to ignore that insight or at least acknowledge where itn > came from. > > S > > - > Heartwork > > Monday, May 12, 2003 11:52 PM > Re: That's it. > > > The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use > various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to > use representations, but sometimes they are used. > > Jo > > > Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, > > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to > appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why > the catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. > > Simon > > - > EBbrewpunx > > Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM > Re: That's it. > > > In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > amylia_21 writes: > > > > Actually, I believe the first " Christian church " took place in > the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big > buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. > > > > > they actually went to temple on saturday i believe > > > To send an email to > - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Catherine > two wives were beheaded for alleged adultery, very doubtful in the evidence, which was supported by admissions from men > who were put on the rack and tortured........ Not saying the allegations were *correct* - but what they were actually tried and executed for was treason. Admittedly that was on the basis that they were betraying the king by having affairs - technical legal thing - but adultery per se wasn't punishable by execution, treason was. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Simon > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Even simpler than that... Constantine was a high priest of Sol Invictus, and he didn't want to have two different holy days - so he just changed the Christian one to match with his own! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Simon > What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? Why does there need to be an ultimate aim? > From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us how to live in peace with one another..Love for one > another being central for that achivement. And a very good aim as well - but I don't see that ideal as being unique to Christianity. The "problem" is that you *can't* show someone how to find an emotion within themselves - they have to find it for themselves - otherwise they are living a lie. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Danielle > Paganism, from what I gather, is to coexist with nature and all creatures in > a peaceful manner. I gather it is a collection of various beliefs--Wicca is > under this umbrella--that respects the earth above all. If I'm wrong about > this, someone please correct me. Not a bad definition at all. :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 In a message dated 5/13/03 11:29:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Snowbow writes: Even simpler than that... Constantine was a high priest of Sol Invictus, and he didn't want to have two different holy days - so he just changed the Christian one to match with his own! yup..before that, x-tians had saturday as the high holy day..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 In a message dated 5/13/03 11:29:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Snowbow writes: Hi Simon >What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? Why does there need to be an ultimate aim? ya know..i never thought of paganism as something that could be that easy to narrow down,..i mean..sheesh.."paganism" lumps everything together from sky clad wiccans to gaia worshippers to....well..lotsa different disparate groups... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 - Peter Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:45 PM Re: That's it. > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Even simpler than that... Constantine was a high priest of Sol Invictus, and he didn't want to have two different holy days - so he just changed the Christian one to match with his own!> Hi Peter If he had changed to the biblical holy day,and not vice-versa and tried to spread the practical teachings of Jesus we might have a better world then the one we have now. Simon Surly Christ wouldn't to get people off the sun worshipping and onto something better. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 > What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? Why does there need to be an ultimate aim? Hi Peter Most would agree that the world could be a better place to live.I would like to think that we all, in some way have an aim to improve things for the future.> > From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us how to live in peace with one another..Love for one > another being central for that achivement. And a very good aim as well - but I don't see that ideal as being unique to Christianity. The "problem" is that you *can't* show someone how to find an emotion within themselves - they have to find it for themselves - otherwise they are living a lie.> People do need to be shown love, even if they rebel against it at first,ultimately that want we all would like. Simon BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 but it was a set up, peter, so henry could get his own way catherine >"Peter" > > >Re: That's it. >Tue, 13 May 2003 18:43:43 +0100 > >Hi Catherine > > > two wives were beheaded for alleged adultery, very doubtful in the evidence, which was supported by admissions from men > > who were put on the rack and tortured........ > >Not saying the allegations were *correct* - but what they were actually tried and executed for was treason. Admittedly that was on the basis that they were betraying the king by having affairs - technical legal thing - but adultery per se wasn't punishable by execution, treason was. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Want your email in a hurry? Get Hotmail direct to your mobile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Well, I usually say " so-called, " or I'll do little air quotes to indicate that they are so far from the teachings of Jesus (a fellow tribal member), that it's false advertising. In writing, I can spell it out to indicate the truly compassionate souls (kinda hard to find, or they just don't feel the need to trumpet their beliefs from every pedestal) and abbreviate it to describe the folks who talk about him a lot without absorbing one word he ever said. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " simonpjones " <simonpjones Re: That's it. Tue, 13 May 2003 14:30:22 +0100 I't would be better if people called them false Chrisitians..or nsomething similiar rather then including Jesus C in anti Christianity> .. > The problem, Simon, is very few xtians actually follow Jesus' teachings. I > mean, look at George W. Bush, who loves to play the Jesus card; I don't > think he has a compassionate bone in his body, unless it's in the form of > tax cuts for the rich. And from what little I know of ol' JC, I don't think > he'd be too happy about that. > > Paganism, from what I gather, is to coexist with nature and all creatures in > a peaceful manner. I gather it is a collection of various beliefs--Wicca is > under this umbrella--that respects the earth above all. If I'm wrong about > this, someone please correct me. > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > > Re: That's it. > Tue, 13 May 2003 11:43:06 +0100 > > What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? > > From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us > how to live in peace with one another..Love for one another being central > for that achivement. > I would be foolish to ignore that insight or at least acknowledge where itn > came from. > > S > > - > Heartwork > > Monday, May 12, 2003 11:52 PM > Re: That's it. > > > The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use > various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to > use representations, but sometimes they are used. > > Jo > > > Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, > > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to > appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why > the catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. > > Simon > > - > EBbrewpunx > > Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM > Re: That's it. > > > In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > amylia_21 writes: > > > > Actually, I believe the first " Christian church " took place in > the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big > buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. > > > > > they actually went to temple on saturday i believe > > > To send an email to > - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 But Henry VIII trumped up the adultery/treason charges. He wanted to get rid of Anne Boleyn, for one, because she could not bear him a son. Back then, people believed that men's sperm contained a tiny human that just needed a warm " home " to incubate. Until a Dr. Fallopian came along, they didn't know that women had a huge role in the matter. In fact, it's the guy who determines the gender of the child; so it was Fat Schmuck's fault if his wives didn't have sons. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: That's it. Tue, 13 May 2003 18:43:43 +0100 Hi Catherine > two wives were beheaded for alleged adultery, very doubtful in the evidence, which was supported by admissions from men > who were put on the rack and tortured........ Not saying the allegations were *correct* - but what they were actually tried and executed for was treason. Admittedly that was on the basis that they were betraying the king by having affairs - technical legal thing - but adultery per se wasn't punishable by execution, treason was. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 well said, danielle, and not only that henry had syphyllus and he gave it to his wives, no doubt, and thus he made them infertile catherine >"Danielle Kichler" > > >Re: That's it. >Tue, 13 May 2003 19:14:57 -0400 > >But Henry VIII trumped up the adultery/treason charges. He wanted to get >rid of Anne Boleyn, for one, because she could not bear him a son. Back >then, people believed that men's sperm contained a tiny human that just >needed a warm "home" to incubate. Until a Dr. Fallopian came along, they >didn't know that women had a huge role in the matter. In fact, it's the guy >who determines the gender of the child; so it was Fat Schmuck's fault if his >wives didn't have sons. > >Danielle > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette Rankin > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >"Peter" > > >Re: That's it. >Tue, 13 May 2003 18:43:43 +0100 > >Hi Catherine > > > two wives were beheaded for alleged adultery, very doubtful in the >evidence, which was supported by admissions from men > > who were put on the rack and tortured........ > >Not saying the allegations were *correct* - but what they were actually >tried and executed for was treason. Admittedly that was on the basis that >they were betraying the king by having affairs - technical legal thing - but >adultery per se wasn't punishable by execution, treason was. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > >_______________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > Want your email in a hurry? Get Hotmail direct to your mobile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 It's possible they did it to distinguish themselves from the Jews, who consider Saturday their Sabbath. If Jesus weren't martyred, there probably wouldn't be christians. The Last Supper was supposedly a Passover Seder. Daniele " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " simonpjones " <simonpjones Re: That's it. Tue, 13 May 2003 21:19:00 +0100 - Peter Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:45 PM Re: That's it. > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Even simpler than that... Constantine was a high priest of Sol Invictus, and he didn't want to have two different holy days - so he just changed the Christian one to match with his own!> Hi Peter If he had changed to the biblical holy day,and not vice-versa and tried to spread the practical teachings of Jesus we might have a better world then the one we have now. Simon Surly Christ wouldn't to get people off the sun worshipping and onto something better. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:34 AM Re: That's it. > ..< If Jesus weren't martyred, there probably > wouldn't be christians> He was such a revolutionary ..in so many ways.. I'm sure if he was born in later times and said he didn't believe in a god ....hise thinking would be more acknowledged today and his solutions to the worlds problems more accepted..then again maybe not... Animals would have to be given the respect they deserve..like the right to live their lives in peace before humans could live together in peace. Simon > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > > Re: That's it. > Tue, 13 May 2003 21:19:00 +0100 > > > - > Peter > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 6:45 PM > Re: That's it. > > > > > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to > appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. > > Even simpler than that... Constantine was a high priest of Sol Invictus, > and he didn't want to have two different holy days - so he just changed the > Christian one to match with his own!> > > Hi Peter > > If he had changed to the biblical holy day,and not vice-versa and tried > to spread the practical teachings of Jesus we might have a better world > then the one we have now. > > Simon > Surly Christ wouldn't to get people off the sun worshipping and onto > something better. --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Simon > If he had changed to the biblical holy day,and not vice-versa and tried to spread the practical teachings of Jesus we might have a > better world then the one we have now. Depends - as good as I happen to think many of the Biblical teachings are, it still does as much harm to try to force them onto people who don't agree with them. IMHO people need to be given the opportunity to decide for themselves which teachings (if any) suit them, and be left to get on with it - unfortunately people who get into positions of power don't generally like that sort of thing! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Simon > Most would agree that the world could be a better place to live.I would like to think that we all, in some way have an aim to > improve things for the future. A very good motivation - but Paganism is more about personal spiritual belief than politics. One of the main things about Paganism is a respect for everyone's personal spirituality. And how do we improve the world for the future - it's not as simple as one coherent plan because we are all individuals. Both Hitler and Marx believed they had "the solution" for making the world a better place - but those solutions didn't have much in common! > People do need to be shown love, even if they rebel against it at first,ultimately that want we all would like. How would you suggest "showing" someone how to feel an emotion? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Danielle > But Henry VIII trumped up the adultery/treason charges. He wanted to get > rid of Anne Boleyn, for one, because she could not bear him a son. Back > then, people believed that men's sperm contained a tiny human that just > needed a warm " home " to incubate. Until a Dr. Fallopian came along, they > didn't know that women had a huge role in the matter. In fact, it's the guy > who determines the gender of the child; so it was Fat Schmuck's fault if his > wives didn't have sons. I will admit that this area of history is not my expertise - but it seems to me that if it was as simple as getting rid of a wife, he'd have just divorced her, like he did with his first wife. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Danielle > It's possible they did it to distinguish themselves from the Jews, who > consider Saturday their Sabbath. If Jesus weren't martyred, there probably > wouldn't be christians. The Last Supper was supposedly a Passover Seder. Although the Celtic church continued to observe the Jewish Sabbath until the Synod of Whitby, which was some considerable time after Constantine. IIRC Ethiopian Christians still observe the Jewish sabbath rather than the Christian one. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 I know absolutely nothing about Judaism, but didn't Madonna get into trouble from the Jewish quarter for using prayer blocks/boxes (?????) in her video. Jo > To the best of my knowledge, Judaism does not because of the proscription > against worshipping idols. Besides, focusing on the Hebrew letters is tough > enough without a totem to distract us! OK, there are the Torahs, but > they're only taken out of the Ark at certain times, and the rabbi reads from > them. > The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use > various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to > use representations, but sometimes they are used. > > Jo > > > Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, > > Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal > to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why the > catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. > > Simon > > - > EBbrewpunx > > Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM > Re: That's it. > > > In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > amylia_21 writes: > > > > Actually, I believe the first " Christian church " took place in > the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big > buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. > > > > > they actually went to temple on saturday i believe > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 There doesn't have to be an ultimate aim. What would you suggest as one, and maybe you could explain why you think that aim is not obtained by Pagans? Why would you need to be told by someone else how to get on with other people? Jo What is the ulitimate aim of Paganism.? From what I've read in the bible of Jesus's quotes,His aim was to show us how to live in peace with one another..Love for one another being central for that achivement. I would be foolish to ignore that insight or at least acknowledge where itn came from. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 14, 2003 LOL - that would be nice too! Jo > Yes, definitely. Or, in my case, since I don't have any kids, our pets. > Though I think my wife might be a bit annoyed if I tried to argue that one > of us needs to stay at home to do that! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
