Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 If the subject of all the Catholic priests charged & convicted of raping and molesting kids is raised (at least 50 in the last decade here in Oz, and increasing), my Mum denounces it all as a pack of anti-Catholic lies. None is so blind as those who will not see... Tom - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:20 AM Re: That's it. > For a lovely example of Catholic hypocrisy, get this: one of the many > colleges here in DC is Catholic University of America. Last year, Attorney > General John Ashcroft gave the commencement speech. This year, after > student protests, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was disinvited from > giving a talk at the school's book store because she is pro-choice, which we > all know runs counter to Catholic views. Ashcroft's enthusiastic support > for the death penalty--which I believe the Pope opposes--evidently was not > as important. Norton wasn't even going to discuss that; she was there > because a biography of her had been recently published. > > Danielle > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > Re: That's it. > Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > > I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, hypocritcal > bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) > Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > > Tom > - > simonpjones > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > Re: That's it. > > > > - > Catherine Harris > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > Re: That's it. > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that women > deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the apple, > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of apples in > bibles I've read? > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as they in > my experience don't even denounce war. > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in them, > is strange to say the least. > > Simon > > > " Danielle Kichler " > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing > religion. I > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in the > name of > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also > experienced > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying beliefs. > And I > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I have > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks compassion, > but I > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious leaders. And > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible things, > they > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of religion. > > > >Danielle > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > " Amylia F " > > > > > > That's it. > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > >_______________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > ><< message5.txt >> > > > -------- -- > On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 As far as I'm concerned, notwithstanding all the genuinely good religious people out there working hands-on to help others, the Catholic Church, as a proven aider and abetter of pedophiles, is a criminal organisation run by criminals or their friends (eg the Melbourne Arch Bishop once appeared as a character witness for a priest and serial pedophile - he raped his nephew amongst others - in a court case in which the priest was convicted and jailed (no thanks to the Church, of course). Tom - Amylia F Saturday, May 10, 2003 4:24 AM Re: That's it. Tom, These days, some Catholics are trying to change. There's a movement going on called, "Charismatic Catholics." They have their own churches, they read the Bible for themselves, (as opposed to just listening to what someone else tells them to believe), and in other ways they're becoming quite progressive compared with traditional Roman Catholics. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Vegecentric" > > >Re: That's it. >Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > >I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, hypocritcal bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > >Tom > - > simonpjones > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > Re: That's it. > > > > - > Catherine Harris > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > Re: That's it. > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that women deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the apple, > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of apples in bibles I've read? > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as they in my experience don't even denounce war. > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in them, is strange to say the least. > > Simon > > >"Danielle Kichler" > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing religion. I > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in the name of > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also experienced > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying beliefs. And I > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I have > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks compassion, but I > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious leaders. And > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible things, they > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of religion. > > > >Danielle > > > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >"Amylia F" > > > > > > That's it. > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > >_______________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > ><< message5.txt >> > > >---------- > On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone > > To send an email to - > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 In a message dated 5/12/03 4:37:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: The last time they mixed religion with politics, women were burned at the stake. And hey, wasn't the Inquisition also the result of that toxic brew? Danielle i would say mixing religion with politics has been the norm for most of human civilization in one form er another....and they still do it today...in some societies and cultures, it is nigh impossible to seperate the two, as they are linked within that culture(ie, Islamic culture, where community and belief go hand in hand..each is a reflection of the other)..it is mostly in the West where we seperated the two into distinct realms, and that was a long hard road, and many want the "old ways" back..heck, look at 90% of the current administration in the US.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 The last time they mixed religion with politics, women were burned at the stake. And hey, wasn't the Inquisition also the result of that toxic brew? Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Vegecentric " <vegecentric Re: That's it. Mon, 12 May 2003 19:58:05 -0700 Hi Jo, The 'conspiracy' is well documented and known: not just within the Catholic church, but Anglican and others. Our own Governor General (head of state, Queen's representative), and a former Anglican archbishop, has drawn huge controversy over here for protecting pedophile clergy and dismissing victim's claims while still in the church - thank christ he has just stood down over recent rape allegations... Message here is: don't mix religion with politics. Tom - Heartwork Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:49 AM Re: That's it. Hi Tom This is something that conspiracy theorists have been saying for a while, but obviously the problem is with the priesthood, not the followers. Jo As far as I'm concerned, notwithstanding all the genuinely good religious people out there working hands-on to help others, the Catholic Church, as a proven aider and abetter of pedophiles, is a criminal organisation run by criminals or their friends (eg the Melbourne Arch Bishop once appeared as a character witness for a priest and serial pedophile - he raped his nephew amongst others - in a court case in which the priest was convicted and jailed (no thanks to the Church, of course). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Hi, Why would a man want to stay and home and care for children they love, in an environment of their choosing, instead of toiling 9-5 in a sterlie office for people they care nothing for? Hmm. I know which I'd go for if I had a choice. John - " Catherine Harris " <cait2 Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:58 PM Re: That's it. > hi jo, > > whats love got to do with some mens attitude to housework and childcare??.......whats considered womens work is invisible, unpaid and undervalued, so why would a man want to take it on? > > catherine > > > > > " Heartwork " > > > >To: > >Re: That's it. > >Sun, 11 May 2003 22:19:59 +0100 > > > >Sounds like an excuse for laziness to me. Does love not play any part in these 'marriages'? > > > >Jo > > i used to work wit a rastafarian woman whosaid her religon ment that she was considered unclean during menstruation, and thus her partner moved out of the house for that week, leaving her to cope wit three kids, alone......... > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 > > > -------- ------ > Want your email in a hurry? Get Hotmail direct to your mobile > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amylia_21 writes: Actually, I believe the first "Christian church" took place in the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. they actually went to temple on saturday i believe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 - " Vegecentric " <vegecentric Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:05 AM Re: That's it. It's a pity it doesn't teach or demostrate the teachings of Jesus in a practical way,' love being it's central point'...anti-war etc.... and if the priests and nuns stopped wearing those uniforms and stopped playing God.... things might improve. Simon > Catholicism may not come to mind, but it was the first christian church, and > still is the biggest. > > Tom > - > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:32 AM > Re: That's it. > > > > > > - > > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > > Monday, May 12, 2003 7:16 AM > > Re: That's it. > > > > When I hear talk of Christianity..Catholicism dosn't come to mind. > > > > No disrespect to anyone who is seeking the truth and are with the Catholic > > church. > > > > Simon > > > > > > > If the subject of all the Catholic priests charged & convicted of raping > > and > > > molesting kids is raised (at least 50 in the last decade here in Oz, > and > > > increasing), my Mum denounces it all as a pack of anti-Catholic lies. > None > > > is so blind as those who will not see... > > > > > > Tom > > > - > > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > > > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > For a lovely example of Catholic hypocrisy, get this: one of the many > > > > colleges here in DC is Catholic University of America. Last year, > > > Attorney > > > > General John Ashcroft gave the commencement speech. This year, after > > > > student protests, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was disinvited > from > > > > giving a talk at the school's book store because she is pro-choice, > > which > > > we > > > > all know runs counter to Catholic views. Ashcroft's enthusiastic > > support > > > > for the death penalty--which I believe the Pope opposes--evidently was > > not > > > > as important. Norton wasn't even going to discuss that; she was there > > > > because a biography of her had been recently published. > > > > > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > > > > > > > > I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, > > hypocritcal > > > > bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) > > > > Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > - > > > > simonpjones > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Catherine Harris > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that > women > > > > deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the > apple, > > > > > > > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of > apples > > > in > > > > bibles I've read? > > > > > > > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as > they > > > in > > > > my experience don't even denounce war. > > > > > > > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in > > > them, > > > > is strange to say the least. > > > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > " Danielle Kichler " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing > > > > religion. I > > > > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in > > the > > > > name of > > > > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also > > > > experienced > > > > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying > > > beliefs. > > > > And I > > > > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I > > have > > > > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > > > > > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks > > > compassion, > > > > but I > > > > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious > leaders. > > > And > > > > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible > > things, > > > > they > > > > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of > > religion. > > > > > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an > > earthquake " --Jeanette > > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > " Amylia F " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it. > > > > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > > > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > -- > > > > On the move? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 In a message dated 5/12/03 1:17:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amylia_21 writes: Fraggle, I know. I was just saying that they weren't any big buildings like the ones people go into today, on Sunday mornings. sure there were..they were called roman baths and.. ok..i'm just funnin with ya.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Hi Tom > Catholicism may not come to mind, but it was the first christian church, and > still is the biggest. To be strictly accurate, Catholicism is actually a break-away from Greek Orthodoxy - they just kept the name, but in terms of tradition, the Orthodox church has the claim to being the earliest. Of course, this completely ignores the Church of Jerusalem. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 I can't help wondering how 'clean' this man is. Does he sweat (just another bodily function), do his feet smell, does he clean his teeth properly - are his nails clean? I think he would have to be perfectly clean to judge someone else to be unclean. Jo - Catherine Harris Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:54 PM Re: That's it. yep peter thats true............just an excuse to go and live wth other woman for a week........lol catherine >"Peter" > > >Re: That's it. >Sun, 11 May 2003 22:39:25 +0100 > >Hi Catherine > > > i used to work wit a rastafarian woman whosaid her religon ment that she was considered unclean during menstruation, and > > thus her partner moved out of the house for that week, leaving her to cope wit three kids, alone......... > >So, following his logic through to it's conclusion.... it was OK to leave his kids with someone "unclean"????? > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Because he loves his wife and children. Jo whats love got to do with some mens attitude to housework and childcare??.......whats considered womens work is invisible, unpaid and undervalued, so why would a man want to take it on? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Hi John I'm assuming that you would choose to look after your children. Many men are really good at looking after their children - my husband being one of them. He would have loved to stay home and look after them, but he could earn a lot more money than me - so the choice was made. I must say though that I enjoyed looking after them. Jo> Why would a man want to stay and home and care for children they love, in an > environment of their choosing, instead of toiling 9-5 in a sterlie office > for people they care nothing for? > > Hmm. I know which I'd go for if I had a choice. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Tom, Actually, I believe the first "Christian church" took place in the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >"Vegecentric" > > >Re: That's it. >Mon, 12 May 2003 20:05:38 -0700 > >Catholicism may not come to mind, but it was the first christian church, and >still is the biggest. > >Tom >- >"simonpjones" > >Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:32 AM >Re: That's it. > > > > > > - > > "Vegecentric" > > > > Monday, May 12, 2003 7:16 AM > > Re: That's it. > > > > When I hear talk of Christianity..Catholicism dosn't come to mind. > > > > No disrespect to anyone who is seeking the truth and are with the Catholic > > church. > > > > Simon > > > > > > > If the subject of all the Catholic priests charged & convicted of raping > > and > > > molesting kids is raised (at least 50 in the last decade here in Oz, >and > > > increasing), my Mum denounces it all as a pack of anti-Catholic lies. >None > > > is so blind as those who will not see... > > > > > > Tom > > > - > > > "Danielle Kichler" > > > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > For a lovely example of Catholic hypocrisy, get this: one of the many > > > > colleges here in DC is Catholic University of America. Last year, > > > Attorney > > > > General John Ashcroft gave the commencement speech. This year, after > > > > student protests, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was disinvited >from > > > > giving a talk at the school's book store because she is pro-choice, > > which > > > we > > > > all know runs counter to Catholic views. Ashcroft's enthusiastic > > support > > > > for the death penalty--which I believe the Pope opposes--evidently was > > not > > > > as important. Norton wasn't even going to discuss that; she was there > > > > because a biography of her had been recently published. > > > > > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > "Vegecentric" > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > > > > > > > > I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, > > hypocritcal > > > > bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) > > > > Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > - > > > > simonpjones > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Catherine Harris > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that >women > > > > deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the >apple, > > > > > > > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of >apples > > > in > > > > bibles I've read? > > > > > > > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as >they > > > in > > > > my experience don't even denounce war. > > > > > > > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in > > > them, > > > > is strange to say the least. > > > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > >"Danielle Kichler" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing > > > > religion. I > > > > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in > > the > > > > name of > > > > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also > > > > experienced > > > > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying > > > beliefs. > > > > And I > > > > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I > > have > > > > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > > > > > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks > > > compassion, > > > > but I > > > > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious >leaders. > > > And > > > > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible > > things, > > > > they > > > > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of > > religion. > > > > > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an > > earthquake"--Jeanette > > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >"Amylia F" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it. > > > > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > > > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > -- > > > > On the move? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 Fraggle, I know. I was just saying that they weren't any big buildings like the ones people go into today, on Sunday mornings. *This message was brought to you by: Amy >EBbrewpunx > > >Re: That's it. >Mon, 12 May 2003 16:02:18 EDT > >In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >amylia_21 writes: > > > > > > Actually, I believe the first "Christian church" took place in the > > homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big > > buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. > > > > > > > they actually went to temple on saturday i believe > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 12, 2003 The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to use representations, but sometimes they are used. Jo Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why the catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. Simon - EBbrewpunx Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM Re: That's it. In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amylia_21 writes: Actually, I believe the first "Christian church" took place in the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big buildings that people go to on Sunday back then.they actually went to temple on saturday i believe:) To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Fraggle, if I look too long at the current administration, I'll puke. I think Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave at what W. and Ashcroft, et al., are doing. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: That's it. Mon, 12 May 2003 10:48:28 EDT In a message dated 5/12/03 4:37:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, veggietart writes: > > The last time they mixed religion with politics, women were burned at the > stake. > > And hey, wasn't the Inquisition also the result of that toxic brew? > > Danielle i would say mixing religion with politics has been the norm for most of human civilization in one form er another....and they still do it today...in some societies and cultures, it is nigh impossible to seperate the two, as they are linked within that culture(ie, Islamic culture, where community and belief go hand in hand..each is a reflection of the other)..it is mostly in the West where we seperated the two into distinct realms, and that was a long hard road, and many want the " old ways " back..heck, look at 90% of the current administration in the US.... _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 How about the Pope bashing people who use religious symbols as fashion. I have to wonder how much money goes to keep him and his cabal of cardinals in splendor while they work to strip self-determination from women and the poor. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " simonpjones " <simonpjones Re: That's it. Mon, 12 May 2003 17:22:29 +0100 - " Vegecentric " <vegecentric Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:05 AM Re: That's it. It's a pity it doesn't teach or demostrate the teachings of Jesus in a practical way,' love being it's central point'...anti-war etc.... and if the priests and nuns stopped wearing those uniforms and stopped playing God.... things might improve. Simon > Catholicism may not come to mind, but it was the first christian church, and > still is the biggest. > > Tom > - > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:32 AM > Re: That's it. > > > > > > - > > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > > Monday, May 12, 2003 7:16 AM > > Re: That's it. > > > > When I hear talk of Christianity..Catholicism dosn't come to mind. > > > > No disrespect to anyone who is seeking the truth and are with the Catholic > > church. > > > > Simon > > > > > > > If the subject of all the Catholic priests charged & convicted of raping > > and > > > molesting kids is raised (at least 50 in the last decade here in Oz, > and > > > increasing), my Mum denounces it all as a pack of anti-Catholic lies. > None > > > is so blind as those who will not see... > > > > > > Tom > > > - > > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > > > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > For a lovely example of Catholic hypocrisy, get this: one of the many > > > > colleges here in DC is Catholic University of America. Last year, > > > Attorney > > > > General John Ashcroft gave the commencement speech. This year, after > > > > student protests, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was disinvited > from > > > > giving a talk at the school's book store because she is pro-choice, > > which > > > we > > > > all know runs counter to Catholic views. Ashcroft's enthusiastic > > support > > > > for the death penalty--which I believe the Pope opposes--evidently was > > not > > > > as important. Norton wasn't even going to discuss that; she was there > > > > because a biography of her had been recently published. > > > > > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > > > > > > > > I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, > > hypocritcal > > > > bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) > > > > Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > - > > > > simonpjones > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > Catherine Harris > > > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that > women > > > > deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the > apple, > > > > > > > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of > apples > > > in > > > > bibles I've read? > > > > > > > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as > they > > > in > > > > my experience don't even denounce war. > > > > > > > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in > > > them, > > > > is strange to say the least. > > > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > " Danielle Kichler " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing > > > > religion. I > > > > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in > > the > > > > name of > > > > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also > > > > experienced > > > > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying > > > beliefs. > > > > And I > > > > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I > > have > > > > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > > > > > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks > > > compassion, > > > > but I > > > > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious > leaders. > > > And > > > > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible > > things, > > > > they > > > > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of > > religion. > > > > > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an > > earthquake " --Jeanette > > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > " Amylia F " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it. > > > > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > >_______________ > > > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > > -- > > > > On the move? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Well, if there's one thing at which the ultrareligious excel, it is judging others, often ignoring their own failings. " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: That's it. Mon, 12 May 2003 19:22:40 +0100 I can't help wondering how 'clean' this man is. Does he sweat (just another bodily function), do his feet smell, does he clean his teeth properly - are his nails clean? I think he would have to be perfectly clean to judge someone else to be unclean. Jo - Catherine Harris Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:54 PM Re: That's it. yep peter thats true............just an excuse to go and live wth other woman for a week........lol catherine > " Peter " > >To: >Re: That's it. >Sun, 11 May 2003 22:39:25 +0100 > >Hi Catherine > > > i used to work wit a rastafarian woman whosaid her religon ment that she was considered unclean during menstruation, and > > thus her partner moved out of the house for that week, leaving her to cope wit three kids, alone......... > >So, following his logic through to it's conclusion.... it was OK to leave his kids with someone " unclean " ????? > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03 Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 To the best of my knowledge, Judaism does not because of the proscription against worshipping idols. Besides, focusing on the Hebrew letters is tough enough without a totem to distract us! OK, there are the Torahs, but they're only taken out of the Ark at certain times, and the rabbi reads from them. Danielle " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: That's it. Mon, 12 May 2003 23:52:47 +0100 The Church of England uses crosses too. I suppose all religions use various symbols to focus the mind. In Pagan ritual it is not necessary to use representations, but sometimes they are used. Jo Sunday was the the day the sun- worshippers worshipped the sun, Constantine or Rome changed the Christian Sabbath day to Sunday to appeal to the sun/ idol worshipping pagans. Thats one of the reasons why the catholic church uses statues and crosses etc in it's gatherings. Simon - EBbrewpunx Monday, May 12, 2003 9:02 PM Re: That's it. In a message dated 5/12/03 12:55:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, amylia_21 writes: Actually, I believe the first " Christian church " took place in the homes of Jesus' followers, after His death. ----There weren't any big buildings that people go to on Sunday back then. they actually went to temple on saturday i believe To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 What do you call people who swear by the rhythm method? Parents. - Catherine Harris Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:14 PM Re: That's it. poor women, pushed into conception when the rules arent made by them........the rhythym method is better..........a woman can control when she knows shes fertile and et adept at avoiding sex............i tried it for 3 years.........lol catherine >"Danielle Kichler" > > >Re: That's it. >Sun, 11 May 2003 23:09:54 -0400 > >Actually, Jo, it was designed to increase the number of babies born; a woman >is usually most fertile seven days after menstruation ceases. The rule is >designed to discourage intercourse when they are less likely to conceive. > >Danielle > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette Rankin > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >"Heartwork" > > >Re: That's it. >Sun, 11 May 2003 17:56:12 +0100 > > > > > There have been numerous myths about the menstruating woman. It was >thought > > her touch could sour milk, ruin crops, blah, blah. > >Some people say that women are far more in touch with the natural energies >when they are menstruating, and that they were separated from the rest of >society (the other 49%!) because of their power at this time. > > > The Jewish religion is really wacky with regards to menstruation, as the > > woman is considered "unclean," and her husband is not allowed to touch > > her--not even touch her--unless there has been no blood flow for a week, >and > > she has gone into the mikvah, the ritual bath. > >Sounds silly to me and also a way to cut the number of babies born. Anyway, >I am not Jewish so will not need to worry about that idea. > >Jo > > > > And people wonder why I'm so down on organized religion > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > "You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette >Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > "Heartwork" > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > Sat, 10 May 2003 19:34:37 +0100 > > > > My only memories of women in the Bible were to say that when they were > > menstruating they should be kept away from the normal dwelling, as though > > dirty. That was the end of my Bible reading days. Christianity lost me > > that day. > > > > Jo > > > > > > For a more uplifting description of women, get a Bible, (a public >library > > should have one), find the book of Proverbs, (it's in the Old Testament), > > turn to chapter 31, and read verses 10-31, especially 31.---This is known >as > > the description of "the virtuous woman." Also, read the book of Esther >in > > its entirety. (It's also in the Old Testament, and fairly >hort.) ----It's > > basically the story of how one single woman saved an entire group of >people > > from total destruction. There's a lot more to read about women in the > > Bible than people think. > > > > **Many apologies to others who think this list is turning into a Bible > > class. As my point was only to enlighten, not preach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > >"Danielle Kichler" > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 22:17:01 -0400 > > > > > >Interesting, the Eve bit--all women are evil and must be punished > > because of > > >Eve fell for the snake's line and tempted Adam. However, we don't get > > >credit for the goodness of the Virgin Mary. > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > >"You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake"--Jeanette > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >"Catherine Harris" > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 12:24:16 +0000 > > > > > >_______________ > > >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > >-------- >---- > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 My feeling is that there are a lot of good religious people out there working at the grass roots level, but any entrenched power base tends to get corrupt - human nature. Funny how discriminatory the Royal Family are though, Charles could not be King if he converted to Catholicism, plus males get succession rights over females; not to mention the C of E was really established by a king who wanted to behead his wives so he could get a new one, and so go against the teachings of Rome- not very honorable beginnings.... Tom - Peter Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:05 AM Re: That's it. Hi Tom > As far as I'm concerned, notwithstanding all the genuinely good religious people out there working hands-on to help others, the > Catholic Church, as a proven aider and abetter of pedophiles, is a criminal organisation run by criminals or their friends (eg the > Melbourne Arch Bishop once appeared as a character witness for a priest and serial pedophile - he raped his nephew amongst > others - in a court case in which the priest was convicted and jailed (no thanks to the Church, of course). This, of course, is the best reason to not support the current Catholic heirarchy - but it doesn't mean that Catholocisim is inherently evil - it means that the people who are using it as their power base are (for the most part) very nasty pieces of work. The problem is groups like Opus Dei and P2 who have way too much control in the Vatican, and basically installed the current Pope after killing the last one (shame about that, as I suspect the Catholic church would be *very* different now if John Paul I hadn't been murdered). BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Hi Jo, The 'conspiracy' is well documented and known: not just within the Catholic church, but Anglican and others. Our own Governor General (head of state, Queen's representative), and a former Anglican archbishop, has drawn huge controversy over here for protecting pedophile clergy and dismissing victim's claims while still in the church - thank christ he has just stood down over recent rape allegations... Message here is: don't mix religion with politics. Tom - Heartwork Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:49 AM Re: That's it. Hi Tom This is something that conspiracy theorists have been saying for a while, but obviously the problem is with the priesthood, not the followers. Jo As far as I'm concerned, notwithstanding all the genuinely good religious people out there working hands-on to help others, the Catholic Church, as a proven aider and abetter of pedophiles, is a criminal organisation run by criminals or their friends (eg the Melbourne Arch Bishop once appeared as a character witness for a priest and serial pedophile - he raped his nephew amongst others - in a court case in which the priest was convicted and jailed (no thanks to the Church, of course). ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release 18/04/03To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 What galls me is they tell you how to run your life, including no sex before marriage, no condoms or abortion, and sex ed. advice to us boys from a nun in grade 6 , ie: " don't play with yourselves " !, then go and rape and abuse young boys and girls. The most self righteous prudes are always the biggest deviants... Tom - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:56 AM Re: That's it. > Well, priests preying on kids is nothing new. I recently read an article > about a bishop who actually tried to get a pedophile priest in his parish > away from kids, but was fought at every turn by other bishops. This was in > the 1950s--yes, the pure, wholesome 1950s, when bad shit happened, but > nobody talked about it, swept it under the rug, pretended it didn't happen. > > Some people say this is a reason that priests should be allowed to marry. > One letter writer said this is a good argument for ordaining women > (statistics show the vast majority of child abusers are men, usually abuse > victims themselves). > > In Baltimore, Maryland, last year, a man actually shot the priest who > molested him a decade ago. To be fair, he did seek an apology, but since it > wasn't forthcoming, well... > > Danielle > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > Re: That's it. > Sun, 11 May 2003 23:16:43 -0700 > > If the subject of all the Catholic priests charged & convicted of raping and > molesting kids is raised (at least 50 in the last decade here in Oz, and > increasing), my Mum denounces it all as a pack of anti-Catholic lies. None > is so blind as those who will not see... > > Tom > - > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:20 AM > Re: That's it. > > > > For a lovely example of Catholic hypocrisy, get this: one of the many > > colleges here in DC is Catholic University of America. Last year, > Attorney > > General John Ashcroft gave the commencement speech. This year, after > > student protests, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was disinvited from > > giving a talk at the school's book store because she is pro-choice, which > we > > all know runs counter to Catholic views. Ashcroft's enthusiastic support > > for the death penalty--which I believe the Pope opposes--evidently was > not > > as important. Norton wasn't even going to discuss that; she was there > > because a biography of her had been recently published. > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > > > > I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, hypocritcal > > bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) > > Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > > > > Tom > > - > > simonpjones > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > - > > Catherine Harris > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that women > > deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the apple, > > > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of apples > in > > bibles I've read? > > > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as they > in > > my experience don't even denounce war. > > > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in > them, > > is strange to say the least. > > > > Simon > > > > > " Danielle Kichler " > > > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing > > religion. I > > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in > the > > name of > > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also > > experienced > > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying > beliefs. > > And I > > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I have > > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks > compassion, > > but I > > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious leaders. > And > > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible > things, > > they > > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of > religion. > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an > earthquake " --Jeanette > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > " Amylia F " > > > > > > > > > That's it. > > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > > > >_______________ > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > > -------- > -- > > On the move? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 I mean, ignorance and BS superstitious beliefs have caused so much unneccessary pain and misery to people and animals over the millenia, and still does. Which is why I so passionately believe in education. Tom - " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:47 AM Re: That's it. > What do you mean, Tom? > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette Rankin > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > Re: That's it. > Sun, 11 May 2003 23:10:52 -0700 > > Ignorance is not bliss. > > Tom > > - > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:10 PM > Re: That's it. > > > > There have been numerous myths about the menstruating woman. It was > thought > > her touch could sour milk, ruin crops, blah, blah. Some cultures had a > hut > > into which menstruating women would be sent; a former coworker would > refer > > to that time as " being in the hut. " While the idea of isolating a woman > > 'cause she's bleeding is anathema to my feminist ideals, at least it got > > them out of housework and childcare for three days! > > > > The Jewish religion is really wacky with regards to menstruation, as the > > woman is considered " unclean, " and her husband is not allowed to touch > > her--not even touch her--unless there has been no blood flow for a week, > and > > she has gone into the mikvah, the ritual bath. > > > > And people wonder why I'm so down on organized religion > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > Sat, 10 May 2003 19:34:37 +0100 > > > > My only memories of women in the Bible were to say that when they were > > menstruating they should be kept away from the normal dwelling, as though > > dirty. That was the end of my Bible reading days. Christianity lost me > > that day. > > > > Jo > > > > > > For a more uplifting description of women, get a Bible, (a public > library > > should have one), find the book of Proverbs, (it's in the Old Testament), > > turn to chapter 31, and read verses 10-31, especially 31.---This is known > as > > the description of " the virtuous woman. " Also, read the book of Esther > in > > its entirety. (It's also in the Old Testament, and fairly > hort.) ----It's > > basically the story of how one single woman saved an entire group of > people > > from total destruction. There's a lot more to read about women in the > > Bible than people think. > > > > **Many apologies to others who think this list is turning into a Bible > > class. As my point was only to enlighten, not preach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *This message was brought to you by: Amy > > > " Danielle Kichler " > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 22:17:01 -0400 > > > > > >Interesting, the Eve bit--all women are evil and must be punished > > because of > > >Eve fell for the snake's line and tempted Adam. However, we don't get > > >credit for the goodness of the Virgin Mary. > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > " Catherine Harris " > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 12:24:16 +0000 > > > > > >_______________ > > >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > > -------- > ---- > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 13, 2003 Catholicism may not come to mind, but it was the first christian church, and still is the biggest. Tom - " simonpjones " <simonpjones Sunday, May 11, 2003 7:32 AM Re: That's it. > > - > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > Monday, May 12, 2003 7:16 AM > Re: That's it. > > When I hear talk of Christianity..Catholicism dosn't come to mind. > > No disrespect to anyone who is seeking the truth and are with the Catholic > church. > > Simon > > > > If the subject of all the Catholic priests charged & convicted of raping > and > > molesting kids is raised (at least 50 in the last decade here in Oz, and > > increasing), my Mum denounces it all as a pack of anti-Catholic lies. None > > is so blind as those who will not see... > > > > Tom > > - > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart > > > > Saturday, May 10, 2003 8:20 AM > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > For a lovely example of Catholic hypocrisy, get this: one of the many > > > colleges here in DC is Catholic University of America. Last year, > > Attorney > > > General John Ashcroft gave the commencement speech. This year, after > > > student protests, DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton was disinvited from > > > giving a talk at the school's book store because she is pro-choice, > which > > we > > > all know runs counter to Catholic views. Ashcroft's enthusiastic > support > > > for the death penalty--which I believe the Pope opposes--evidently was > not > > > as important. Norton wasn't even going to discuss that; she was there > > > because a biography of her had been recently published. > > > > > > Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake " --Jeanette > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > " Vegecentric " <vegecentric > > > > > > > > > Re: That's it. > > > Fri, 9 May 2003 20:37:39 -0700 > > > > > > I was raised strict catholic, and they are most conservative, > hypocritcal > > > bunch of pricks you'll meet. The Pope apparently blessed the (fascist) > > > Italian troops before going to war (WW2). > > > > > > Tom > > > - > > > simonpjones > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:54 AM > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Catherine Harris > > > > > > Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:24 PM > > > Re: That's it. > > > > > > > > > . The sermon was about Genesis, and centred on the fact that women > > > deserve pain, suffering because they are full of sin and ate the apple, > > > > > > Did they actually mention an apple as there is no mention of apples > > in > > > bibles I've read? > > > > > > You must of went to a catholic church or an anglican church as they > > in > > > my experience don't even denounce war. > > > > > > Why they don't read the gospels and try to preach what is said in > > them, > > > is strange to say the least. > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > " Danielle Kichler " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: That's it. > > > >Thu, 08 May 2003 07:49:30 -0400 > > > > > > > >I'm sorry if anything I've said could be construed as bashing > > > religion. I > > > >have just heard about too many horrible, horrible things done in > the > > > name of > > > >religion over the millenia to not bash religion. I have also > > > experienced > > > >hostility at several points in my life because of my varying > > beliefs. > > > And I > > > >loathe organized religion's hostility toward women, a reason I > have > > > >jettisoned the whole business. > > > > > > > >Veganism is based in compassion; organized religion talks > > compassion, > > > but I > > > >sure don't see a whole lot of it from so-called religious leaders. > > And > > > >while there are animal rights activists who do some horrible > things, > > > they > > > >cannot compare to the slaughter perpetuated in the name of > religion. > > > > > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > > > > " You can no more win a war than you can win an > earthquake " --Jeanette > > > Rankin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > " Amylia F " > > > > > > > > > > > > That's it. > > > >Wed, 07 May 2003 21:08:29 -0700 > > > > > > > >_______________ > > > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > > > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ><< message5.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > -------- > > -- > > > On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
