Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Thanks fraggle. Yeah, it musta been a drag for ol' Newtie. But he could have at least paid his child support on time. And what's his excuse for ditching wife number two? Sheesh. BTW, the march in DC was *incredible* I read in The Washington Post that when the first marchers were arriving at the Navy Yard to end the march, there were still folks at the rally site 12 blocks away. We did have a few freeper creepers counterdemonstrating, but they were only a handful. While some folks were screaming " No blood for oil, " I was yelling, " You want a war, you go fight it. " Fat chance of that; most of them were too old. The Park Police doesn't do official estimates anymore, but one estimate--not from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. We might have an idea when Metro releases ridership figures for that day; on both trains my friend and I rode, it was jam-packed. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Environmentalists Against the War Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:35:37 -0500 oh, leave poor newty alone..he had to divorce his wife, do you have any idea wot a drag it is to be married to someone with cancer.... *rolls eyes* i agree with danille..while clinton wasn't the brightest bulb and he's an ass fer wot he did to his wife, sh*t, the ones who hopped up and down about impeachment had a few more skeletons in their closets .... it was silly... i don't see any politicians screamin about impeachin the current crop we have in the administration, yet, imo, wot they are doing is much worse fraggle " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we were a >laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over his >misdeeds. > >And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the >folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to do >so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I think >he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. > >What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on his >wife when you've done it yourself. At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are >still married, which is more than you can say for Bob Barr (three >marriages), Newt Gingrich (ditto), Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Bob Livingston, >whose House speaker bid was derailed by the fact that he had cheated on his >wife, and who knows how many others. > >And I do think the people should know if their candidates are trustworthy. >That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are >physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who >support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush). > >Danielle > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Peter " <Snowbow > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:52:52 -0000 > >Hi Danielle > > > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians >included. > >Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on media >stereotyping? > > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it >was > > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. > >So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the people >they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? > > > And I have a nice > > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their >wives--in > > fact, left them for the mistresses. > >Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? >Since when is skepticism un-American? >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > >_______________ >MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 I was thinking that: there are marriages of convenience, so to speak, where the participants probably enjoy each other's company or the power they have together, whatever. It's not a love marriage, so the parties have an open marriage. I don't know if it's what the Clintons have, but either way, it's not anyone's damn business. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Environmentalists Against the War Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:58:01 -0500 ok, wild thought here how do you know its a lie..wot if so and so have an understanding? " sure, go have a toss with that cheerleader, just make sure you wear a condom.. " " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >> The point is that a politician admitting an affair in Britain would not be >> forced to resign immediately because people are willing to accept that a >> person's private life is just that, and it does not affect their ability >to >> do their job (though many other factors obviously do, such as donors). > >Considering that their job is specifically to do what they have promised to >do in their election campaigns, I'd say whether or not they lie to people >they claim to love is very much a statement about their ability to do their >job. If you put yourself in the public eye, then your private life ceases to >be private - that is the decision made by every politician, and when their >private life tells us how they are likely to behave in public office, it is >vital that we have access to that information. > >I'm surprised that you feel happy to be represented by liars and cheats. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Did he claim to be Christian? I don't think he made a big deal about his religion, at least not the way W. and other Republicans do. Uh, George, I don't think Jesus would favor the death penalty, screwing the poor to give tax cuts to the rich, and attacking a country so you can take their oil. I don't think Jesus would approve of your sucking up to moneychangers--the only folks he truly hated--or your disdain for women, gays, and minorities. If more Christians were like Jimmy Carter, the religion might not get such a bad rap. No wonder I'm agnostic. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Environmentalists Against the War Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:50:00 -0000 If you have an agreement I suppose it is okay, but it didn't seem like there was an agreement, and it certainly hurt their daughter one hell of a lot - not the way to behave if you care about your kids! Also doesn't he claim to be Christian. Christian marriages usually promise to be faithful so he has broken that promise as well. Jo > ok, wild thought here > how do you know its a lie..wot if so and so have an understanding? " sure, go have a toss with that cheerleader, just make sure you wear a condom.. " --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 It wouldn't have caused trouble for the country if his enemies didn't make such a deal over it. Of course, maybe Monica should have kept her skirt down with Bill and flirted instead with a single guy. I'm sure there were plenty of single, straight hotties in the administration. The silly, insecure, plump, Jewish girl made a pass at the president! Some might call that chutzpah. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Environmentalists Against the War Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:53:06 -0000 Of course, he could just have been taking advantage of a young impressionable girl who came under his charisma - also not very honourable. Whether the relationship is an agreed open one or not, the fact that he did what he did caused a lot of trouble for himself, his daughter, Monica and his country, so I don't think it was a wise action. Jo > how does ya know it wasn't an open relationship? > i doubt they'd come out and say it if they were, political dogsh*t instantly --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Danielle It's fantastic to think that so many people are prepared to actualy get up and demonstrate against war, isn't it. The police vastly underestimate the number of people attending here as well. When you say the temperature is mid-20s is that centigrade or fahrenheit? Jo > from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of > people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. > > We might have an idea when Metro releases ridership figures for that day; on > both trains my friend and I rode, it was jam-packed. > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > EBbrewpunx > > > Re: Environmentalists Against the War > Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:35:37 -0500 > > > oh, leave poor newty alone..he had to divorce his wife, do you have any idea > wot a drag it is to be married to someone with cancer.... > *rolls eyes* > i agree with danille..while clinton wasn't the brightest bulb and he's an > ass fer wot he did to his wife, sh*t, the ones who hopped up and down about > impeachment had a few more skeletons in their closets .... > it was silly... > i don't see any politicians screamin about impeachin the current crop we > have in the administration, yet, imo, wot they are doing is much worse > fraggle > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: > > >Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we were > a > >laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over his > >misdeeds. > > > >And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the > >folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to do > >so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I > think > >he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. > > > >What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on > his > >wife when you've done it yourself. At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are > >still married, which is more than you can say for Bob Barr (three > >marriages), Newt Gingrich (ditto), Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Bob Livingston, > >whose House speaker bid was derailed by the fact that he had cheated on > his > >wife, and who knows how many others. > > > >And I do think the people should know if their candidates are trustworthy. > > >That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are > >physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who > >support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush). > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > " Peter " <Snowbow > > > > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War > >Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:52:52 -0000 > > > >Hi Danielle > > > > > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > > > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians > >included. > > > >Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on media > >stereotyping? > > > > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it > >was > > > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > > > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. > > > >So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the people > >they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? > > > > > And I have a nice > > > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their > >wives--in > > > fact, left them for the mistresses. > > > >Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > >Since when is skepticism un-American? > >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > > >_______________ > >MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Danielle I agree that sometimes the women have gone into the marriages for the money and power position rather than love. Jo > I was thinking that: there are marriages of convenience, so to speak, where > the participants probably enjoy each other's company or the power they have > together, whatever. It's not a love marriage, so the parties have an open > marriage. I don't know if it's what the Clintons have, but either way, it's > not anyone's damn business. > > Danielle > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > EBbrewpunx > > > Re: Environmentalists Against the War > Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:58:01 -0500 > > ok, wild thought here > how do you know its a lie..wot if so and so have an understanding? " sure, go > have a toss with that cheerleader, just make sure you wear a condom.. " > > > > > > " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: > > >> The point is that a politician admitting an affair in Britain would not > be > >> forced to resign immediately because people are willing to accept that a > >> person's private life is just that, and it does not affect their ability > >to > >> do their job (though many other factors obviously do, such as donors). > > > >Considering that their job is specifically to do what they have promised > to > >do in their election campaigns, I'd say whether or not they lie to people > >they claim to love is very much a statement about their ability to do > their > >job. If you put yourself in the public eye, then your private life ceases > to > >be private - that is the decision made by every politician, and when their > >private life tells us how they are likely to behave in public office, it > is > >vital that we have access to that information. > > > >I'm surprised that you feel happy to be represented by liars and cheats. > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Sorry Fraggle, have to agree with Jo here. Besides, i'm sure their agreements didn't include to bring it out into the publics eye. Not that Clinton intentionally did that, but he wasn't very careful at hiding it either. nikki What I search for, I find. What we neglect escapes us. Sophocles , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote: > If you have an agreement I suppose it is okay, but it didn't seem like there > was an agreement, and it certainly hurt their daughter one hell of a lot - > not the way to behave if you care about your kids! Also doesn't he claim to > be Christian. Christian marriages usually promise to be faithful so he has > broken that promise as well. > > Jo > > > ok, wild thought here > > how do you know its a lie..wot if so and so have an understanding? " sure, > go have a toss with that cheerleader, just make sure you wear a condom.. " > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 And some might call that a racist statement So now it is all her fault? Why is it none of anyone's business when we talk about Clinton and it is yer right to slam when we talk about her? Is that fair? As far as I am concerned, it is over and we wasted enough damn tax money on the whole issue. They are both to blame because they were both present and consenting. Neither one is better or worse than the other. Just like you and I. Whether silly, Jewish or plump! nikki , " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart@h...> wrote: > It wouldn't have caused trouble for the country if his enemies didn't make > such a deal over it. Of course, maybe Monica should have kept her skirt > down with Bill and flirted instead with a single guy. I'm sure there were > plenty of single, straight hotties in the administration. The silly, > insecure, plump, Jewish girl made a pass at the president! Some might call > that chutzpah. > > Danielle > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Here here (if you'll excuse the typical English retort) Jo > And some might call that a racist statement > > So now it is all her fault? Why is it none of anyone's business when > we talk about Clinton and it is yer right to slam when we talk about > her? Is that fair? > > As far as I am concerned, it is over and we wasted enough damn tax > money on the whole issue. They are both to blame because they were > both present and consenting. Neither one is better or worse than the > other. Just like you and I. > > Whether silly, Jewish or plump! > > nikki --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Washington, DC, in January--that would be 20s fahrenheit. I'm a Yank, so that's how I measure things. Maybe I should have said well below freezing. That really makes it amazing: how many people are willing to go out in freezing weather to protest this stupid oil war. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Environmentalists Against the War Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:51:57 -0000 Danielle It's fantastic to think that so many people are prepared to actualy get up and demonstrate against war, isn't it. The police vastly underestimate the number of people attending here as well. When you say the temperature is mid-20s is that centigrade or fahrenheit? Jo > from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of > people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. > > We might have an idea when Metro releases ridership figures for that day; on > both trains my friend and I rode, it was jam-packed. > > Danielle > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > EBbrewpunx > > > Re: Environmentalists Against the War > Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:35:37 -0500 > > > oh, leave poor newty alone..he had to divorce his wife, do you have any idea > wot a drag it is to be married to someone with cancer.... > *rolls eyes* > i agree with danille..while clinton wasn't the brightest bulb and he's an > ass fer wot he did to his wife, sh*t, the ones who hopped up and down about > impeachment had a few more skeletons in their closets .... > it was silly... > i don't see any politicians screamin about impeachin the current crop we > have in the administration, yet, imo, wot they are doing is much worse > fraggle > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: > > >Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we were > a > >laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over his > >misdeeds. > > > >And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the > >folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to do > >so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I > think > >he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. > > > >What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on > his > >wife when you've done it yourself. At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are > >still married, which is more than you can say for Bob Barr (three > >marriages), Newt Gingrich (ditto), Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Bob Livingston, > >whose House speaker bid was derailed by the fact that he had cheated on > his > >wife, and who knows how many others. > > > >And I do think the people should know if their candidates are trustworthy. > > >That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are > >physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who > >support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush). > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > " Peter " <Snowbow > > > > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War > >Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:52:52 -0000 > > > >Hi Danielle > > > > > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > > > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians > >included. > > > >Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on media > >stereotyping? > > > > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it > >was > > > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > > > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. > > > >So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the people > >they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? > > > > > And I have a nice > > > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their > >wives--in > > > fact, left them for the mistresses. > > > >Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > >Since when is skepticism un-American? > >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > > >_______________ > >MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 That's definitely cold! As you say - it shows the amount of support for peace. Jo > Washington, DC, in January--that would be 20s fahrenheit. I'm a Yank, so > that's how I measure things. Maybe I should have said well below freezing. > That really makes it amazing: how many people are willing to go out in > freezing weather to protest this stupid oil war. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Nikki, I didn't SAY it was all her fault. But she did make a pass at him, and he wasn't enough of a gentleman to say, " Put your skirt down and behave appropriately. " or better yet, ignore it. She allegedly said she wanted to get her presidential kneedpads when she went to DC for her internship. I'm not slamming her at all; I think it was disgusting that her life was dragged out for display because half of Congress was determined to destroy a man. They're both at fault. I'm a (sometimes) silly, insecure, plump Jewish woman myself, so I don't think I'm being racist or bigoted in that regard; I just don't have the chutzpah to flash my panties at anyone but my boyfriend. Also, she appears to be the polar opposite of his wife, so you gotta wonder if other forces weren't working--his desire for something totally different. That said, I'm glad she's doing well; at least she didn't let this destroy her life. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack " <nikkimack Re: Environmentalists Against the War Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:47:12 -0000 And some might call that a racist statement So now it is all her fault? Why is it none of anyone's business when we talk about Clinton and it is yer right to slam when we talk about her? Is that fair? As far as I am concerned, it is over and we wasted enough damn tax money on the whole issue. They are both to blame because they were both present and consenting. Neither one is better or worse than the other. Just like you and I. Whether silly, Jewish or plump! nikki , " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart@h...> wrote: > It wouldn't have caused trouble for the country if his enemies didn't make > such a deal over it. Of course, maybe Monica should have kept her skirt > down with Bill and flirted instead with a single guy. I'm sure there were > plenty of single, straight hotties in the administration. The silly, > insecure, plump, Jewish girl made a pass at the president! Some might call > that chutzpah. > > Danielle > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 apparantly there were counter demonstrators in SF as well, the Chron wrote about em, but i didn;t see any as fer numbers...they use a certain ratio to count em..if its friendly, 3 the count and divide by 2, if its non friendly, divide by 3, and double(the same formula they use fer friendly casualties and enemy combantants) " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >Thanks fraggle. Yeah, it musta been a drag for ol' Newtie. But he could >have at least paid his child support on time. And what's his excuse for >ditching wife number two? Sheesh. > >BTW, the march in DC was *incredible* I read in The Washington Post that >when the first marchers were arriving at the Navy Yard to end the march, >there were still folks at the rally site 12 blocks away. We did have a few >freeper creepers counterdemonstrating, but they were only a handful. While >some folks were screaming " No blood for oil, " I was yelling, " You want a >war, you go fight it. " Fat chance of that; most of them were too old. > >The Park Police doesn't do official estimates anymore, but one estimate--not >from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of >people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. > >We might have an idea when Metro releases ridership figures for that day; on >both trains my friend and I rode, it was jam-packed. > >Danielle > > >----Original Message Follows---- >EBbrewpunx > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:35:37 -0500 > > >oh, leave poor newty alone..he had to divorce his wife, do you have any idea >wot a drag it is to be married to someone with cancer.... >*rolls eyes* >i agree with danille..while clinton wasn't the brightest bulb and he's an >ass fer wot he did to his wife, sh*t, the ones who hopped up and down about >impeachment had a few more skeletons in their closets .... >it was silly... >i don't see any politicians screamin about impeachin the current crop we >have in the administration, yet, imo, wot they are doing is much worse >fraggle > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: > > >Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we were >a > >laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over his > >misdeeds. > > > >And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the > >folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to do > >so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I >think > >he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. > > > >What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on >his > >wife when you've done it yourself. At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are > >still married, which is more than you can say for Bob Barr (three > >marriages), Newt Gingrich (ditto), Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Bob Livingston, > >whose House speaker bid was derailed by the fact that he had cheated on >his > >wife, and who knows how many others. > > > >And I do think the people should know if their candidates are trustworthy. > > >That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are > >physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who > >support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. Bush). > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > " Peter " <Snowbow > > > > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War > >Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:52:52 -0000 > > > >Hi Danielle > > > > > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have a > > > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians > >included. > > > >Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on media > >stereotyping? > > > > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, it > >was > > > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill Monica > > > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. > > > >So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the people > >they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? > > > > > And I have a nice > > > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their > >wives--in > > > fact, left them for the mistresses. > > > >Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. > > > >BB > >Peter > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? > >Since when is skepticism un-American? > >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same > >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > > > >_______________ > >MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 one of my fave banners on saturday " who would jesus bomb? " " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >Did he claim to be Christian? I don't think he made a big deal about his >religion, at least not the way W. and other Republicans do. > >Uh, George, I don't think Jesus would favor the death penalty, screwing the >poor to give tax cuts to the rich, and attacking a country so you can take >their oil. I don't think Jesus would approve of your sucking up to >moneychangers--the only folks he truly hated--or your disdain for women, >gays, and minorities. > >If more Christians were like Jimmy Carter, the religion might not get such a >bad rap. No wonder I'm agnostic. > >Danielle > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:50:00 -0000 > >If you have an agreement I suppose it is okay, but it didn't seem like there >was an agreement, and it certainly hurt their daughter one hell of a lot - >not the way to behave if you care about your kids! Also doesn't he claim to >be Christian. Christian marriages usually promise to be faithful so he has >broken that promise as well. > >Jo > > > ok, wild thought here > > how do you know its a lie..wot if so and so have an understanding? " sure, >go have a toss with that cheerleader, just make sure you wear a condom.. " > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? >Since when is skepticism un-American? >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > >_______________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 fahrenheit...we are still barbarians over here in the colonies..... it was about 60 here..... fraggle " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: > >Danielle > >It's fantastic to think that so many people are prepared to actualy get up >and demonstrate against war, isn't it. The police vastly underestimate the >number of people attending here as well. > >When you say the temperature is mid-20s is that centigrade or fahrenheit? > >Jo > >> from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of >> people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. >> >> We might have an idea when Metro releases ridership figures for that day; >on >> both trains my friend and I rode, it was jam-packed. >> >> Danielle >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> EBbrewpunx >> >> >> Re: Environmentalists Against the War >> Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:35:37 -0500 >> >> >> oh, leave poor newty alone..he had to divorce his wife, do you have any >idea >> wot a drag it is to be married to someone with cancer.... >> *rolls eyes* >> i agree with danille..while clinton wasn't the brightest bulb and he's an >> ass fer wot he did to his wife, sh*t, the ones who hopped up and down >about >> impeachment had a few more skeletons in their closets .... >> it was silly... >> i don't see any politicians screamin about impeachin the current crop we >> have in the administration, yet, imo, wot they are doing is much worse >> fraggle >> >> " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >> >> >Well, everything I heard during the flap indicated that the reason we >were >> a >> >laughingstock was *because* our politicians made such a big deal over >his >> >misdeeds. >> > >> >And I never suggested two wrongs make a right; what I said was that the >> >folks who attacked Clinton for his marital infidelity *had no right* to >do >> >so. I never said it was OK for Clinton to do what he did; in fact, I >> think >> >he's a jerk for cheating on his wife. >> > >> >What I said was, it looks really bad to persecute a man for cheating on >> his >> >wife when you've done it yourself. At least Bill and Hillary Clinton are >> >still married, which is more than you can say for Bob Barr (three >> >marriages), Newt Gingrich (ditto), Bob Dole, Phil Gramm, Bob Livingston, >> >whose House speaker bid was derailed by the fact that he had cheated on >> his >> >wife, and who knows how many others. >> > >> >And I do think the people should know if their candidates are >trustworthy. >> >> >That includes the guys who play marriage-go-round; the guys who are >> >physically faithful, but cozy up to corrupt corporations; the guys who >> >support racist organizations (Trent Lott, John Ashcroft, George W. >Bush). >> > >> >Danielle >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >----Original Message Follows---- >> > " Peter " <Snowbow >> > >> > >> >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >> >Sat, 18 Jan 2003 11:52:52 -0000 >> > >> >Hi Danielle >> > >> > > Well, in France, I don't think there's a married man who doesn't have >a >> > > mistress--and many married women have lovers as well--politicians >> >included. >> > >> >Do you have any figures for this, or is it a generalisation based on >media >> >stereotyping? >> > >> > > Yes, it was wrong for Clinton to lie about his affairs, but sheesh, >it >> >was >> > > wrong for these jerks to grill him about his sex life and grill >Monica >> > > Lewinsky about the details of what she did with the pres. >> > >> >So, you don't think the electorate have a right to know whether the >people >> >they are asked to vote for are trustworthy? >> > >> > > And I have a nice >> > > list of guys who attacked Clinton, but couldn't stay true to their >> >wives--in >> > > fact, left them for the mistresses. >> > >> >Y'know - in the UK we have a saying.... Two wrongs don't make a right. >> > >> >BB >> >Peter >> > >> > >> >--- >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 >> > >> > >> > >> > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? >> >Since when is skepticism un-American? >> >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same >> >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney >> > >> >_______________ >> >MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. >> >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > >> > >> >To send an email to - >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 *shrug* i knew ya would nikki... i know yer feelins fer the clinton boi... personally, wot he did was wrong, but absolutely pales in comparrison to wot the current admin does and ya know wot, ALL OF EM DO IT!! you couldn't tell me of one US administration that didn't do something outlandish er sets my teeth on edge..sure, some were better then others, but all had failings and tried to control folks and all that there.... clinton just had a downhomesy feel to him, and made lip service to certain causes near and dear to my heart...bush on the other hand can't even spell environment....ever see the simpsons were they call to australia?? " i'd like a coffee " beer it is " no, coffee " beer? " C. O... " b. e..? he's spells environment, either O I L er E N R O N " nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack " <nikkimack wrote: >Sorry Fraggle, have to agree with Jo here. Besides, i'm sure their >agreements didn't include to bring it out into the publics eye. Not >that Clinton intentionally did that, but he wasn't very careful at >hiding it either. > >nikki >What I search for, I find. What we neglect escapes us. >Sophocles > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Hi Danielle > The Park Police doesn't do official estimates anymore, but one estimate--not > from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of > people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. Wow - that's fantastic. It gives London something to aim for in February :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Hi Danielle > Did he claim to be Christian? I don't think he made a big deal about his > religion, at least not the way W. and other Republicans do. I was pretty sure that he did claim to be Christian - but as you say, nowhere near as much as Bush. > Uh, George, I don't think Jesus would favor the death penalty, screwing the > poor to give tax cuts to the rich, and attacking a country so you can take > their oil. I don't think Jesus would approve of your sucking up to > moneychangers--the only folks he truly hated--or your disdain for women, > gays, and minorities. Well said! :-) > If more Christians were like Jimmy Carter, the religion might not get such a > bad rap. No wonder I'm agnostic. I think there's a vast variety of people in all religions - it just so happens that most of the people who strive to get into power tend to be b*****ds, so whichever religion they come from, they're going to give it a bad name. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2003 Report Share Posted January 21, 2003 Hi Fraggle / Nikki / anyone > and ya know wot, ALL OF EM DO IT!! Of course, the whole thing with Lewinsky is really put into perspective when you read the accusations against Clinton (and other US bigwigs) in " Trance Formations of America " ! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 I don't remember seeing any Jesus signs, but someone had a sign that said he was pro-life, with an asterisk. The asterisk said something like only under certain conditions. I found it supremely ironic that on Wednesday, he will doubtless give a speech about the sanctity of life--while he's planning to bomb a country into oblivion, if he has to, in order to get a madman. I won't mention his absolute relish for the death penalty or his photo-op with the National Cattlemen's Beef Association. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Environmentalists Against the War Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:58:14 -0500 one of my fave banners on saturday " who would jesus bomb? " " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >Did he claim to be Christian? I don't think he made a big deal about his >religion, at least not the way W. and other Republicans do. > >Uh, George, I don't think Jesus would favor the death penalty, screwing the >poor to give tax cuts to the rich, and attacking a country so you can take >their oil. I don't think Jesus would approve of your sucking up to >moneychangers--the only folks he truly hated--or your disdain for women, >gays, and minorities. > >If more Christians were like Jimmy Carter, the religion might not get such a >bad rap. No wonder I'm agnostic. > >Danielle > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Heartwork " <Heartwork > > >Re: Environmentalists Against the War >Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:50:00 -0000 > >If you have an agreement I suppose it is okay, but it didn't seem like there >was an agreement, and it certainly hurt their daughter one hell of a lot - >not the way to behave if you care about your kids! Also doesn't he claim to >be Christian. Christian marriages usually promise to be faithful so he has >broken that promise as well. > >Jo > > > ok, wild thought here > > how do you know its a lie..wot if so and so have an understanding? " sure, >go have a toss with that cheerleader, just make sure you wear a condom.. " > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 > > > > " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? >Since when is skepticism un-American? >Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same >Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney > >_______________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Peter--the head count or the mercury reading? hee hee. I hope we got lots of coverage around the world, more coverage than in the US. I want the world to know that not everybody is a twit like our supposed " leaders. " Oh, I also saw signs touting solar power. That might not work in San Francisco (when I lived in San Jose and the Giants still played at 3Com, I heard the joke was you needed to pack a change of clothes if you attended a game there) or New England, it would work in what is called the sunbelt (the Southeast, which gets a lot of sun). Wind energy might work in Chicago. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Environmentalists Against the War Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:04:49 -0000 Hi Danielle > The Park Police doesn't do official estimates anymore, but one estimate--not > from them--was 500,000. DC Police just said there were an awful lot of > people. It was incredibly cold, too, in the mid-20s. Wow - that's fantastic. It gives London something to aim for in February :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Peter, You're right: there are good people and bad people to be found in all religions, but it seems the biggest momzers are the ones who claim to be Christian. Maybe it's the number of so-called Christians in public life, as opposed to Jews or Muslims in public life. Most of the ones in public life tend to be megaschmucks. Danielle ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <Snowbow Re: Environmentalists Against the War Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:07:47 -0000 Hi Danielle > Did he claim to be Christian? I don't think he made a big deal about his > religion, at least not the way W. and other Republicans do. I was pretty sure that he did claim to be Christian - but as you say, nowhere near as much as Bush. > Uh, George, I don't think Jesus would favor the death penalty, screwing the > poor to give tax cuts to the rich, and attacking a country so you can take > their oil. I don't think Jesus would approve of your sucking up to > moneychangers--the only folks he truly hated--or your disdain for women, > gays, and minorities. Well said! :-) > If more Christians were like Jimmy Carter, the religion might not get such a > bad rap. No wonder I'm agnostic. I think there's a vast variety of people in all religions - it just so happens that most of the people who strive to get into power tend to be b*****ds, so whichever religion they come from, they're going to give it a bad name. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 " Where is the questioning where is the protest song? Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same Those who disagree are afraid to show their face " --Sleater-Kinney _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Hi Danielle I thought solar power worked from the daylight rather than just bright sunshine - but I could be wrong. Jo Oh, I also saw signs touting solar power. That might not work in San > Francisco (when I lived in San Jose and the Giants still played at 3Com, I > heard the joke was you needed to pack a change of clothes if you attended a > game there) or New England, it would work in what is called the sunbelt (the > Southeast, which gets a lot of sun). Wind energy might work in Chicago. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Hi Jo! Excused, welcomed and thank you! Nikki , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Here here (if you'll excuse the typical English retort) > > Jo > > > And some might call that a racist statement > > > > So now it is all her fault? Why is it none of anyone's business when > > we talk about Clinton and it is yer right to slam when we talk about > > her? Is that fair? > > > > As far as I am concerned, it is over and we wasted enough damn tax > > money on the whole issue. They are both to blame because they were > > both present and consenting. Neither one is better or worse than the > > other. Just like you and I. > > > > Whether silly, Jewish or plump! > > > > nikki > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release 30/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2003 Report Share Posted January 22, 2003 Good Morning Danielle! I think that is absolutely wonderful and spirit lifting! What amazes me is that every time we protest these things, the media looks in wonder and comments on how amazed they are at the amount of people who show up. As if they never expected so many people to protest something. Thanks for being one of those great people! Nikki , " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart@h...> wrote: > Washington, DC, in January--that would be 20s fahrenheit. I'm a Yank, so > that's how I measure things. Maybe I should have said well below freezing. > That really makes it amazing: how many people are willing to go out in > freezing weather to protest this stupid oil war. > > Danielle > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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