Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Hi All, High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News) High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer -- at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see: http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Phil et al., A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine recently lost his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV vitamin C alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath, Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a recognized and necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy. I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic medical cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements (including extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals, various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, acupuncture and related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet, nutritional supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi, meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently treats cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas, acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically induced hyperthermia, and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical doctor on these patients. Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick the immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor necrosis factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their butts and go to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to deal with germs and such because the immune system works best when the body temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever lasts, the more the cancers shrink. One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those who have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His patient population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it once, been treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the cancer returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms (the tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body, and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally proceeds fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells mature (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), reproduce (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members totally pissed at the toxic society around them. Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with Chinese medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on Ryodoraku readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any system with a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. And by the way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. Which tells me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and that of the best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but they're weak in character. I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office, but I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may be more potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined. Anyway, I shut up now. Later. Joseph Garner, LAc < wrote: Hi All, High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News) High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer -- at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see: http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Joseph, I like your email and congrats on your new practice op. I sometimes think that our society tends to only look at the treatment or technique but not really understanding of the theory behind it. To this I would add that we need to understand the environment and how to help change it back to a positive place. Beachamp, Enderlein and others found that this area was lacking in the theory of treatment. Until we include this we tend to be shooting in the dark. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 > > >Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer >Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Phil et al., >A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine recently lost >his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV vitamin C >alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath, >Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer >and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his >statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more >complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just >not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a recognized and >necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy. > >I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center >focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common >treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic medical >cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological >homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements (including >extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals, >various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, acupuncture and >related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency >chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary >recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet, nutritional >supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi, >meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently treats >cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas, >acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically induced >hyperthermia, > and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical doctor on >these patients. > >Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick the >immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor necrosis >factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their butts and go >to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to deal with >germs and such because the immune system works best when the body >temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever lasts, the >more the cancers shrink. > >One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those who >have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His patient >population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it once, been >treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the cancer >returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will >understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms (the >tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as >or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these >patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the >tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body, >and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally proceeds >fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells mature >(grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), reproduce >(have kids) and then die goes haywire under the > relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop >maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start >eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members >totally pissed at the toxic society around them. > >Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with Chinese >medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of >hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on Ryodoraku >readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any system with >a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. And by the >way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. Which tells >me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and that of the >best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to >rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and >strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, >it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer >cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with >fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but >they're weak in character. > >I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office, but >I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere >adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at >least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the >possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used >judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may be more >potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined. Anyway, I shut >up now. Later. >Joseph Garner, LAc > < wrote: >Hi All, > >High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab >translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, >MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News) > >High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer -- >at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at >the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high >doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of >those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no >benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not >intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see: >http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html > > > > > > > >Best regards, > > >Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > >Ireland. >Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - >Chinese Proverb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 I couldn't agree more. Right on target. On Sep 25, 2005, at 7:46 AM, mike Bowser wrote: > Joseph, > > I like your email and congrats on your new practice op. I > sometimes think > that our society tends to only look at the treatment or technique > but not > really understanding of the theory behind it. To this I would add > that we > need to understand the environment and how to help change it back to a > positive place. Beachamp, Enderlein and others found that this > area was > lacking in the theory of treatment. Until we include this we tend > to be > shooting in the dark. > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > >> Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 >> >> >> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer >> Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT) >> >> Phil et al., >> A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine >> recently lost >> his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV >> vitamin C >> alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. >> Matthias Rath, >> Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C >> for cancer >> and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his >> statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more >> complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks, >> life is just >> not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a >> recognized and >> necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy. >> >> I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center >> focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common >> treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic >> medical >> cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological >> homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements >> (including >> extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and >> minerals, >> various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, >> acupuncture and >> related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency >> chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary >> recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet, >> nutritional >> supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi, >> meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently >> treats >> cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas, >> acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically >> induced >> hyperthermia, >> and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical >> doctor on >> these patients. >> >> Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to >> kick the >> immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor >> necrosis >> factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their >> butts and go >> to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to >> deal with >> germs and such because the immune system works best when the body >> temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever >> lasts, the >> more the cancers shrink. >> >> One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to >> those who >> have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His >> patient >> population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it >> once, been >> treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the >> cancer >> returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will >> understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms >> (the >> tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as >> well as >> or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in >> these >> patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is >> that the >> tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in >> the body, >> and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally >> proceeds >> fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells >> mature >> (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), >> reproduce >> (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the >> relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem >> cells stop >> maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start >> eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang >> members >> totally pissed at the toxic society around them. >> >> Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine >> with Chinese >> medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of >> hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on >> Ryodoraku >> readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any >> system with >> a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. >> And by the >> way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. >> Which tells >> me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and >> that of the >> best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer >> but to >> rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and >> strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And >> whaddaya know, >> it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those >> terrifying cancer >> cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with >> fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in >> appetite, but >> they're weak in character. >> >> I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new >> office, but >> I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a >> mere >> adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening >> illness, at >> least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider >> the >> possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, >> when used >> judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may >> be more >> potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined. >> Anyway, I shut >> up now. Later. >> Joseph Garner, LAc >> < wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab >> translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, >> MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News) >> >> High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight >> cancer -- >> at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another >> look at >> the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that >> high >> doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of >> those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no >> benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not >> intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see: >> http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) >> >> >> >> >> Ireland. >> Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) >> >> >> >> " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - >> Chinese Proverb >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Mike, You are of course completely correct. I agree with Peter Holmes in his Energetics of Western Herbs that the East/West/Ancient/Modern paradigms need to be fully integrated for us to have a truly coherent medical practice, and I also agree with his stance that the dominant paradigm needs to be the holistic/energetic/pattern diagnosis-type paradigm, not the " modern science " one. First one must see the forest, then the individual trees can be comprehended. It's important to have individual-tree experts to rely on, but somebody has to have the " vision thing, " and ideally they--or at least their way of thinking--should be in charge. As things stand, with few exceptions, even the most experienced of holistic medical doctors are really individual-tree experts first and forest experts second. When it comes to holistic cancer treatment, there are only two medical doctors I see as really " getting it. " Dr. Kobayashi is one, and the other is an MD in Connecticut named Jarir Nakouzi. Dr. Nakouzi is a Europe-trained oncologist with a long background in homeopathy and homotoxicology, and a peculiarly clear mind. This clarity and beginner's mindedness is something both doctors share. Dr. Nakouzi bases his whole diagnostic methodology on EAV readings using equipment from the Kindling company of Germany. Dr. Kobayashi uses ryodoraku and assessments based on his Tumor Marker Combination Assay--his own invention--which is the most precise and telling cancer screening test in the world. Our office is working on bringing Dr. Kobayashi to America, which he apparently wants to do. At least we could have his test available here then. Dr. Nakouzi and Dr. Kobayashi share the philosophy of not going after tumors as the main focus of cancer treatment. They go after balancing what we would call excesses and deficiencies in a sustained and thoroughly deep fashion, and most of the time the patients' own bodies restore the cancerous tissue to normal. By the way, I work at what is called Integrative Medical Healing Center in Scottsdale, Arizona, the office of Frank George, DO, MD(H) and Sean Devlin, DO, MD(H). I'm hoping to make it even more holistic than it presently is. Joseph mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: Joseph, I like your email and congrats on your new practice op. I sometimes think that our society tends to only look at the treatment or technique but not really understanding of the theory behind it. To this I would add that we need to understand the environment and how to help change it back to a positive place. Beachamp, Enderlein and others found that this area was lacking in the theory of treatment. Until we include this we tend to be shooting in the dark. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 > > >Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer >Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Phil et al., >A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine recently lost >his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV vitamin C >alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath, >Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer >and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his >statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more >complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just >not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a recognized and >necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy. > >I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center >focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common >treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic medical >cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological >homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements (including >extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals, >various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, acupuncture and >related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency >chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary >recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet, nutritional >supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi, >meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently treats >cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas, >acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically induced >hyperthermia, > and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical doctor on >these patients. > >Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick the >immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor necrosis >factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their butts and go >to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to deal with >germs and such because the immune system works best when the body >temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever lasts, the >more the cancers shrink. > >One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those who >have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His patient >population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it once, been >treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the cancer >returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will >understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms (the >tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as >or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these >patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the >tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body, >and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally proceeds >fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells mature >(grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), reproduce >(have kids) and then die goes haywire under the > relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop >maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start >eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members >totally pissed at the toxic society around them. > >Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with Chinese >medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of >hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on Ryodoraku >readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any system with >a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. And by the >way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. Which tells >me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and that of the >best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to >rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and >strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, >it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer >cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with >fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but >they're weak in character. > >I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office, but >I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere >adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at >least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the >possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used >judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may be more >potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined. Anyway, I shut >up now. Later. >Joseph Garner, LAc > < wrote: >Hi All, > >High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab >translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, >MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News) > >High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer -- >at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at >the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high >doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of >those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no >benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not >intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see: >http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html > > > > > > > >Best regards, > > >Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > >Ireland. >Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) > > > > " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - >Chinese Proverb > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 On Sep 25, 2005, at 1:28 AM, Joseph Garner wrote: > rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and > strengthening-- -- Joseph, congratulations on your new position. But there is that word again... " detoxifying " . We had a discussion a couple of weeks ago about what it might mean. Can you define what you mean by it here, in relation to cancer and homotoxicology? how does it relate to the theories of Chinese medicine? Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Just on a different note and the treatment of cancer with TCM I have had some sucess with a different approach. With all the patients with cancer that I have seen over the years the first thing that I have observed is that they never present with blood statsis and toxic heat etc which seems to be the CM treatment strategy usually taken up. I have always asked, if the cancer is due to blood stasis, has toxic heat etc why does this never show up in tongue or pulse or have a history of such. Most of cancer patients have had a normal healthy even to say unstressed life to be suddenly disgnosised with breast or liver cancer etc. In fact leading up to the diagnosis of cancer and doing a history of their symptoms, many patients did not even have major spleen, kidney xu or iver statsis type symptoms. I used to treat patients at the last college where I taught and as an exercise in demonstarting pulse and tongue and looking at the spirit I would ask the cancer patient if they minded having their P and T looked at by a few students and teacher/s. The patients that I had seen to were diagnosed with terminal liver cancer with an approx 6 months to live. The students and teachers were not told of the condition of their patient. Each time, they picked up/ dignosed a little bit of dampness, maybe a bit of liver qi stagnation. There were always shocked to find out the severity of the disease. So I thought , maybe it is something else causing the cancer. Anthropsophical medicine looks at a possible cause of cancer being a weak aura and etheric body. So I thought what is this in CM. I postulated that it is the yang wei mai (aura) and lung po (etheric body). Around this same time I sopke with a practitoner in the North island NZ who had some success treating liver cancer on a patient using some of Miki Simas ideas she picked up at a conference. In particular she said she used wai guan SJ 5 to address the liver stasis. I wondered if in fact it may be getting results as it was treating the yang wei mai. I had been using SJ 5 the 8 extra way with Bl 62 and also using ion pumping cords ( which I made myself using gold wire and connectors). In one case for example, the patient had decided not to partake in chemo/radio tx etc for 2 months and after 6 weeks his liver tumors had reduced by 30-50% which I felt was quite promising. The medicos thought that the MIR scan must of been wrong and he ended up starting a new drug treatment for stomach cancer and stopped treatment. In another case, a woman who had a breast removed from cancer got liver cancer 5 years later and decided to only do meditation herbs etc. I used herbs that treat yang wei mai and also used mu li bai shao to treat lung po as well as a form of azurite and malachite (traditionally recorded in CM to treat cancer/tumors etc) She was supposed to pass away some time ago and I actually thought she did but then I got a refferal from her. She didn't want to get any more tests becuse she was scared of seeing the result. My experience is that if the patients start with chemo etc I am best off just rying to counteract the nausea etc Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz - Joseph Garner Sunday, September 25, 2005 5:28 PM Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer Phil et al., A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine recently lost his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV vitamin C alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath, Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a recognized and necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy. I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic medical cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements (including extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals, various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, acupuncture and related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet, nutritional supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi, meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently treats cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas, acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically induced hyperthermia, and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical doctor on these patients. Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick the immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor necrosis factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their butts and go to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to deal with germs and such because the immune system works best when the body temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever lasts, the more the cancers shrink. One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those who have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His patient population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it once, been treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the cancer returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms (the tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body, and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally proceeds fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells mature (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), reproduce (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members totally pissed at the toxic society around them. Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with Chinese medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on Ryodoraku readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any system with a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. And by the way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. Which tells me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and that of the best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but they're weak in character. I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office, but I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may be more potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined. Anyway, I shut up now. Later. Joseph Garner, LAc < wrote: Hi All, High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News) High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer -- at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see: http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html Best regards, Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) Ireland. Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0) " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " - Chinese Proverb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Although I love the imagery here I'm not sure how this correlates with cancers that are the results of decades ago (and/or generational) " toxins " . For example, those exposed to canceragenic materials in early life that later manifests. As well I understand it, genetic cancers passed down to a child whose mother may have been exposed. Are these repressed emotions of the childhood traumas? (to complete the imagery) Again I'll pass on what little I know of Jeffery Yuen's image of cancer be held in check by the " coldness " of the kidneys wrapping around heat toxins. When the Yang is deficient then the coldness evaporates and the heat toxins are released. I know that WM cancer researchers are no longer popping anti-oxidants but emphasizing acidopholous as the major deterant to cancer growths. Spleen qi anyone? For that I'm interested in Huang Qi used in so many formuals and if it actually prevents the cancer " virus " or mutated DNA (RNA?) from penetrating and corrupting other cells. some ideas and now I'll shut up. :-) doug >>>>>Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body, and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally proceeds fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells mature (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), reproduce (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the > relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members totally pissed at the toxic society around them. > His philosophy and that of the best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but they're weak in character. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 >>>>>Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these patients is an astounding 70 percent >>>>>> If this was true be would be in every medical J in the world. How naive are we going to be Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Rory, I am no expert (at least not yet) on homeopathy and homotoxicology. However, I would say that in the same sense that Chinese medicine focuses on clearing heat, draining dampness and excess fluids and such, that homotoxicology treatments literally aim to remove toxic materials from the body. They appear to do so, too. In cancer treatments where tumors are shrinking, there is the double-detoxifying of tumor detritus as well as the deposited toxins of years of increasing illness. I know the word " detoxification " can leave a bad taste in our mouths (no pun intended). But this appears to be the literal case with these treatments. And with homotoxicology, healing crises are hoped for by the paradigm as immune systems return more and more to the yang side of the equation, and the homeopathy slowly roots old suppressed lingering pathogens. Acupuncture and Chinese herbal formulas can ease or completely alleviate the detox queasiness and other symptoms that come up as old and new goop passes out. So in that sense, Chinese medicine is again playing an adjunct role. But in the sense that these treatments and other combined East/West autonomic nervous system treatments balance the patients' energies, they are also directly healing the cancer. I hope this is some help. I'm not sure I answered your question. Joseph Rory Kerr <rorykerr wrote: On Sep 25, 2005, at 1:28 AM, Joseph Garner wrote: > rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and > strengthening-- -- Joseph, congratulations on your new position. But there is that word again... " detoxifying " . We had a discussion a couple of weeks ago about what it might mean. Can you define what you mean by it here, in relation to cancer and homotoxicology? how does it relate to the theories of Chinese medicine? Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Alon, Who's being naive here? Dr. Kobayashi has been featured in the New York Times, but do you think the medical community is going to welcome with open arms somebody whose paradigm is completely different from theirs, no matter how much research he has to back up his stuff, and whose ways of doing things, if taken up by the medical community, would completely undermine the money train? A nurse told me, and I don't know if it's true, that insurance ends up paying out an average of $800,000 per cancer patient. Dr. Kobayashi's treatments cost a pittance compared to that. Dr. Kobayashi used to operate a hospital in Japan, and he kept a low profile, and he had great success with his treatments. Then somebody came along and wrote a glowing article about him and published it in all the Japanese papers, and the next thing the Japanese government came and said insurance would no longer cover his treatments. So his hospital went under, and now he works out of a relatively moderate clinic. In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is not king, but an outcast. Joseph <alonmarcus wrote: >>>>>Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these patients is an astounding 70 percent >>>>>> If this was true be would be in every medical J in the world. How naive are we going to be Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Heiko, I appreciate your long experience and find your conclusions and treatments very interesting and duly note them. As for my own limited experience, all the cancer patients' pulses I have felt so far do not feel too bad except that every one of them has a very weak right chi position. Jim Ramholtz used to be expert at picking up cancer in pulses. He spoke about a condition wherein the pulse energy would knot up in the guan position and feel as though it were shooting out energy both distally and proximally. However, his pulse-taking was quite a different bird from the ordinary, and his abilities to feel subtleties were far advanced, or at least they seemed to be. He would often explain his pulse readings in terms of five elements and controlling cycle energies and such, and his readings and findings were usually very un-TCM-like. I miss him. And it is said both in the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology that diseases can and often do skip one or several stages altogether. There is no requirement that a pathogenic process must trudge slowly from stages one to six, or that it follow anybody's party line. Joseph Garner Heiko Lade <heikolade.acnm wrote: Just on a different note and the treatment of cancer with TCM I have had some sucess with a different approach. With all the patients with cancer that I have seen over the years the first thing that I have observed is that they never present with blood statsis and toxic heat etc which seems to be the CM treatment strategy usually taken up. I have always asked, if the cancer is due to blood stasis, has toxic heat etc why does this never show up in tongue or pulse or have a history of such. Most of cancer patients have had a normal healthy even to say unstressed life to be suddenly disgnosised with breast or liver cancer etc. In fact leading up to the diagnosis of cancer and doing a history of their symptoms, many patients did not even have major spleen, kidney xu or iver statsis type symptoms. I used to treat patients at the last college where I taught and as an exercise in demonstarting pulse and tongue and looking at the spirit I would ask the cancer patient if they minded having their P and T looked at by a few students and teacher/s. The patients that I had seen to were diagnosed with terminal liver cancer with an approx 6 months to live. The students and teachers were not told of the condition of their patient. Each time, they picked up/ dignosed a little bit of dampness, maybe a bit of liver qi stagnation. There were always shocked to find out the severity of the disease. So I thought , maybe it is something else causing the cancer. Anthropsophical medicine looks at a possible cause of cancer being a weak aura and etheric body. So I thought what is this in CM. I postulated that it is the yang wei mai (aura) and lung po (etheric body). Around this same time I sopke with a practitoner in the North island NZ who had some success treating liver cancer on a patient using some of Miki Simas ideas she picked up at a conference. In particular she said she used wai guan SJ 5 to address the liver stasis. I wondered if in fact it may be getting results as it was treating the yang wei mai. I had been using SJ 5 the 8 extra way with Bl 62 and also using ion pumping cords ( which I made myself using gold wire and connectors). In one case for example, the patient had decided not to partake in chemo/radio tx etc for 2 months and after 6 weeks his liver tumors had reduced by 30-50% which I felt was quite promising. The medicos thought that the MIR scan must of been wrong and he ended up starting a new drug treatment for stomach cancer and stopped treatment. In another case, a woman who had a breast removed from cancer got liver cancer 5 years later and decided to only do meditation herbs etc. I used herbs that treat yang wei mai and also used mu li bai shao to treat lung po as well as a form of azurite and malachite (traditionally recorded in CM to treat cancer/tumors etc) She was supposed to pass away some time ago and I actually thought she did but then I got a refferal from her. She didn't want to get any more tests becuse she was scared of seeing the result. My experience is that if the patients start with chemo etc I am best off just rying to counteract the nausea etc Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 It's interesting that all viral epedemics come from an animal source... the latest example being Avian flu... doug > > Some viruses and other pathogens can enter the body and very quickly plunge through the six stages without being checked, in particular germs from pig tissue. Pig tissue is 99 percent like that of human, hence the transplanting of pig parts into humans due to the lack of rejection. Human bodies tend to see pig parts as human since we are so genetically similar. Dr. Nakouzi warns against eating pig meat because if any germ gets past the USDA/cooking process, then our bodies are likely to miss reacting to it, and he feels the chances are just too great to take. Also, Dr. Kobayashi is always going on about his cancer patients having a cold energy locked in their bodies. He always warns in his talks about the dangers of what he calls " cooling beverages, " which in his broken English comes out difficult to understand by many people, but we know exactly what he means, don't we? > Joseph > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 On Sep 25, 2005, at 1:28 AM, Joseph Garner wrote: > Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with > Chinese medicine treatments and concepts .... His philosophy and that > of the best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the > cancer but to rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by > detoxing and strengthening-- -- On Sep 25, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Joseph Garner wrote: > I hope this is some help. I'm not sure I answered your question. -- Joseph, Actually, I asked the wrong question. It should have been: what type of detoxification does Dr Kobayashi use? He is practicing both systems (apparently), so if we are to get an image of his approach cancer treatment, we need to know which version of detox he's using. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Joseph Does he " reverse " 70% of which kind of CA, lymphoma, well that is less than WM is it pancreatic CA he would be in every J regardless of profits. He would at least be way better known in Japan, he is not. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 And with homotoxicology, healing crises are hoped for by the paradigm as immune systems return more and more to the yang side of the equation, and the homeopathy slowly roots old suppressed lingering pathogens >>>>>> Actually it is thought that the way homotox remedies are made prevent healing crises.They are low potencies and in combination remedies. The detoxification is believed to be at the matrix or the connective tissue level. It also uses other methods such as " catalysts " to upump the creb cycle etc. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 On Sep 25, 2005, at 9:33 PM, Joseph Garner wrote: > Dr. Kobayashi's treatments cost a pittance compared to that. Dr. > Kobayashi used to operate a hospital in Japan, and he kept a low > profile, and he had great success with his treatments. Then > somebody came along and wrote a glowing article about him and > published it in all the Japanese papers, and the next thing the > Japanese government came and said insurance would no longer cover > his treatments. So his hospital went under, and now he works out of > a relatively moderate clinic. Isn't that kind of inverted to what you're saying? Why wouldn't the insurance industry be interested in a lower cost, higher efficacy treatment? Lack of research? -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Rory, I'll try to answer this. Dr. Kobayashi's approach depends on the cancer stage people are at. If they have just been diagnosed, he mainly employs lifestyle modification and dietary changes. That is, he has them on a mostly vegetarian diet (and mostly cooked food, a la TCM), with increasingly long periods of liquid fasts, daily saunas--preferably far infrared--exercise, and what he calls " delight " therapy, which is to say, patients doing things that are delightful to them. For those in medium stages of cancer, he has them do the first set of things, plus hyperthermia treatments and autonomic nervous system balancing treatments involving treatments with modalities akin to acupuncture and moxibustion (he's very big on balancing right and left meridians--reminds me of Husband/Wife treatments), plus a particular Korean herbal formula from a company called Sun Advance (the formula is Sun Advance-3) which contains, among other things, ginseng. (I'm still trying to find out what all's in it.) For those worst off, he has them do all the above, plus Ukrain, which is the greater celandine extract, plus hyperthermia with what he calls biochemical modulation, which may include very low doses of appropriate chemotherapy. There always seems to be more to Dr. Kobayashi's treatment protocols that I keep finding out about, but that's about it in a nutshell. He says cancer cells can be redifferentiated with a regimen of DMSO, cyclic AMP and panax ginseng extract. He treats defective immunosurveillance with continued infusions of cyclic AMP and aminophylline. He uses the Ukrain to treat angiogenesis (I hope I'm understanding that correctly). And he treats for vitamin A deficiency. He also does some seemingly bizarre things, such as removing tumors from cancerous breasts, soaking the tumors in denatured alcohol, then reinserting them in the breasts. He's trying to reverse the cancer process itself permanently, not just stop it for awhile till it comes back again. For my money, Dr. Nakouzi is just as good in his own way, which is mainly complex customized homeopathic protocols plus high doses of enzymes. Rory Kerr <rorykerr wrote: On Sep 25, 2005, at 1:28 AM, Joseph Garner wrote: > Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with > Chinese medicine treatments and concepts .... His philosophy and that > of the best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the > cancer but to rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by > detoxing and strengthening-- -- On Sep 25, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Joseph Garner wrote: > I hope this is some help. I'm not sure I answered your question. -- Joseph, Actually, I asked the wrong question. It should have been: what type of detoxification does Dr Kobayashi use? He is practicing both systems (apparently), so if we are to get an image of his approach cancer treatment, we need to know which version of detox he's using. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Alon, WM " reverses " cancer all the time. And in a few months or years it usually comes back again, only way worse, and this time most patients die very quickly. What Dr. Kobayashi means by reversal is reversing the cancer process completely, no more occurrences. And I don't care what you say about whether or not he would be more famous. What is, is. Contact Dr. Gary Gordon at his website. Check out Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi's articles on the web which have been published in journals. Anybody who would take out tumors, soak them in alcohol, and re-insert them in people is probably going to be discounted no matter what their results. Whatever. I'm just telling you some things I have found to be true. You are not required to believe it, and you can cast doubt all you want. I understand--I'm a skeptic, too. I began hearing about Kobayashi back in December, and it was not until recently that I really started seeing what he has going on. Joseph <alonmarcus wrote: Joseph Does he " reverse " 70% of which kind of CA, lymphoma, well that is less than WM is it pancreatic CA he would be in every J regardless of profits. He would at least be way better known in Japan, he is not. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Alon, What you say is no doubt true. But I'll tell you, I've seen people taking these low-potency remedies, and I've heard Nakouzi lecture about homotoxicology in depth, and I've seen the detoxification healing crises happen over and over, and Nakouzi says he sees them continually and is overjoyed when he does. At least when it comes to cancer, believe me, there are healing crises. There are also great healings. People may have to put up with flareups of their old evil qi lying around in their matrices, but it beats the suffering and death that cancer brings. Healing crises are not fun, but cancer is awful. Joseph <alonmarcus wrote: And with homotoxicology, healing crises are hoped for by the paradigm as immune systems return more and more to the yang side of the equation, and the homeopathy slowly roots old suppressed lingering pathogens >>>>>> Actually it is thought that the way homotox remedies are made prevent healing crises.They are low potencies and in combination remedies. The detoxification is believed to be at the matrix or the connective tissue level. It also uses other methods such as " catalysts " to upump the creb cycle etc. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 and I've seen the detoxification healing crises happen over and over, and Nakouzi says he sees them continually and is overjoyed when he does. >>>>>> May be, i have not seen any in the one year i have been doing it. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Gary Gordon >>>> Well if you want to believe this guy i also have some stuff to sell. I have followed him for over 10 years and at this point i do not believe a word he says, and all my mentors feel the same (some of most known names in alternative med) Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Kobayashi >>>> Have you seen any of the work directly? Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Joseph These results (below) of Kobayashi report do not sound like 70% reversal RESULTS 1.. Improvement of bone scintigraphy in 7 of 34cases(20.5%) 2.. Prolonged survival over 2 years in 8 of 34 cases (23.5%) 3.. Improvement of walking ability in 6 of 10 cases (60.0%) 4.. Relived or diminished pain' in 19 of 19 cases (100.0%) 5.. Increased number of T cells in 15 of 29 cases (51.7%) 6.. Enhancement of NK cell activity in 10 of 13 cases (76.9%) 7.. Controlling and improving hypercalcemia (Ca:12.9 mg/dl) in one case who is alive after one year. 8.. In some cases, slight hypoproteinemia was observed. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Dr Kobayashi seem to have no problem publishing his tumor marker work, which seems to be the majority of what he has done. If he cures 70% of CA why would he have any trouble publishing it? Someone that has already published as much as he has would have no difficulty with the J. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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