depression

[Guest guest]

Hi Salvador!

 

More on this case: Today she said the last treatment (K 1; UB 61, 57, 40,

23, 22, 21, 20; Ear toe, heel, sole - I needle with an even method, in and

out, clockwise and counterclockwise) made her feel better for a while and

then the pain (left leg along the GB channel, right big toe - she calls it

" Sciatica " but it is not that) came back, while she was walking. She can

use a " ski " exerciser with no pain. She can sit down with no pain. She is

depressed *because* of the pain. No pain, no depression. I told her to

raise her arms if the pain ever comes back and see if the pain goes away

with her arms raised. She is *extremely* modest and doesn't like to take

her walking shorts or blouse off for needling, this affects my choice of

points quite a bit. My training indicates back shu/front mu combinations,

but scratch that if the patient won't disrobe.

 

I changed the treatment this time: P 7; GB 31, 32, 7, 8, 9, 10; Ear heel,

toe, sole; L 7; LI 11, 4; St 36; Sp 6; Bafeng. I also rubbed her feet with

Po Sum On oil. I didn't follow up on your 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI suggestion

because I didn't have a clear understanding of it. Not that I have a clear

understanding of what I *did* do . . .

 

Perhaps you can elaborate on the 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI?

 

<snip>

 

>with regards to gloria 12 Dec. 1926 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI

 

So this patient should be treated on the spleen, kidney, bladder and large

intestine points or these organs should be tonified, or sedated? I am in

the US, Florida.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Pete, I love your enthusiasm but it is hard for me to to be enthusiastic in

return if you disregard what I have shared to date.

 

I will happily give you my time and attention but if you are to learn what I

have to share I need you to restrain yourself from needeling all over the

place. other wise your feed back will be confusing and you will do your

patient no favours. I know it is hard when you are with a patient and feel

under pressure to come up with results.

 

I may have misunderstood you but you dont appear to have needled as I have

suggested. To Ton. in turn clockwise ONLY and then out more or less

straight away. to sedate in turn anticlockwise and leave in for 10-20

minutes. what about changes in saliva? you make no mention.

If a patient improves after a treatment but relapses after a couple of days

surely you had done something right? Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

 

I an not there with you, so require your feedback to asses.

 

 

 

salvador

--\

-----------------------

>Hi Salvador!

>

>More on this case: Today she said the last treatment (K 1; UB 61, 57, 40,

>23, 22, 21, 20; Ear toe, heel, sole - I needle with an even method, in and

>out, clockwise and counterclockwise) made her feel better for a while and

>then the pain (left leg along the GB channel, right big toe - she calls it

> " Sciatica " but it is not that) came back, while she was walking. She can

>use a " ski " exerciser with no pain. She can sit down with no pain. She is

>depressed *because* of the pain. No pain, no depression. I told her to

>raise her arms if the pain ever comes back and see if the pain goes away

>with her arms raised. She is *extremely* modest and doesn't like to take

>her walking shorts or blouse off for needling, this affects my choice of

>points quite a bit. My training indicates back shu/front mu combinations,

>but scratch that if the patient won't disrobe.

>

>I changed the treatment this time: P 7; GB 31, 32, 7, 8, 9, 10; Ear heel,

>toe, sole; L 7; LI 11, 4; St 36; Sp 6; Bafeng. I also rubbed her feet with

>Po Sum On oil. I didn't follow up on your 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI suggestion

>because I didn't have a clear understanding of it. Not that I have a clear

>understanding of what I *did* do . . .

>

>Perhaps you can elaborate on the 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI?

>

><snip>

>

> >with regards to gloria 12 Dec. 1926 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI

>

>So this patient should be treated on the spleen, kidney, bladder and large

>intestine points or these organs should be tonified, or sedated? I am in

>the US, Florida.

>

>Regards,

>

>Pete

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Salvador!

 

Please don't be offended, but far from disregarding your suggestion, I

didn't *understand* your suggestion. I posted as much a couple of days ago

and you did not reply, so I went ahead with the next appointment treating

the patient as I usually would. This last post I repeated my question thus:

 

>

> >with regards to gloria 12 Dec. 1926 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI

>

>So this patient should be treated on the spleen, kidney, bladder and large

>intestine points or these organs should be tonified, or sedated? I am in

>the US, Florida.

>

 

and you still didn't reply. Maybe you didn't notice that I wasn't reading you?

 

The teachers I had in school (graduated 1998) said the even method was the

thing to use, the tonify and sedate was not was not going to make any

difference from the even method, according to them. However, I don't mind

trying it your way once I understand what your way is.

 

So, to repeat myself (sorry) what does 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI mean? Does

this mean treat on the spleen, kidney, bladder and large intestine points

or these organs should be tonified, or sedated? Or does it mean something

else. I know that you know what you meant, but I don't know what you meant.

 

If I can get it clear what you are suggesting, I will most eagerly try it.

Thanks for your patience. By the way, there are two different patients with

depression, different birth dates. The other one is on another post.

 

At 07:02 PM 3/3/2004, you wrote:

>Pete, I love your enthusiasm but it is hard for me to to be enthusiastic in

>return if you disregard what I have shared to date.

>

>I will happily give you my time and attention but if you are to learn what I

>have to share I need you to restrain yourself from needeling all over the

>place. other wise your feed back will be confusing and you will do your

>patient no favours. I know it is hard when you are with a patient and feel

>under pressure to come up with results.

>

>I may have misunderstood you but you dont appear to have needled as I have

>suggested. To Ton. in turn clockwise ONLY and then out more or less

>straight away. to sedate in turn anticlockwise and leave in for 10-20

>minutes. what about changes in saliva? you make no mention.

>If a patient improves after a treatment but relapses after a couple of days

>surely you had done something right? Rome wasn't built in a day.

>

>

>I an not there with you, so require your feedback to asses.

>

>

>

>salvador

>-\

------------------------

> >Hi Salvador!

> >

> >More on this case: Today she said the last treatment (K 1; UB 61, 57, 40,

> >23, 22, 21, 20; Ear toe, heel, sole - I needle with an even method, in and

> >out, clockwise and counterclockwise) made her feel better for a while and

> >then the pain (left leg along the GB channel, right big toe - she calls it

> > " Sciatica " but it is not that) came back, while she was walking. She can

> >use a " ski " exerciser with no pain. She can sit down with no pain. She is

> >depressed *because* of the pain. No pain, no depression. I told her to

> >raise her arms if the pain ever comes back and see if the pain goes away

> >with her arms raised. She is *extremely* modest and doesn't like to take

> >her walking shorts or blouse off for needling, this affects my choice of

> >points quite a bit. My training indicates back shu/front mu combinations,

> >but scratch that if the patient won't disrobe.

> >

> >I changed the treatment this time: P 7; GB 31, 32, 7, 8, 9, 10; Ear heel,

> >toe, sole; L 7; LI 11, 4; St 36; Sp 6; Bafeng. I also rubbed her feet with

> >Po Sum On oil. I didn't follow up on your 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI suggestion

> >because I didn't have a clear understanding of it. Not that I have a clear

> >understanding of what I *did* do . . .

> >

> >Perhaps you can elaborate on the 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI?

> >

> ><snip>

> >

> > >with regards to gloria 12 Dec. 1926 2-1-6 SP - KID/ BL- LI

> >

> >So this patient should be treated on the spleen, kidney, bladder and large

> >intestine points or these organs should be tonified, or sedated? I am in

> >the US, Florida.

> >

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hello Lisa,

I struggle with depression too. My depression is a

result of anxiety. I worry, get overwhelmed, and then

want to give up on everything... I have been working

on natural remedies and nutritional healing. Until you

can get him to do the cleanse, try these remedies: I

find that the following works best for me:

 

SUNSHINE, as early in the day as possible. Vitamin D

deficiency is documented as causing depression. If he

can't get outside before 10 AM for 30 minutes of

sunshine, get him to take emulsified cod liver oil.

They flavor it now and it is tasty.

 

PASSION FLOWER, I make a tea, you can buy it ina tea

bag or loose powder. I drink it 2x a day and it

relieves stress, anxiety, and insomnia. It literally

allows me to focus on the present instead of dwelling

on the past or worrying about the future, and you

don't even feel it working until you realize how

clearly you begin to think and feel.

 

MAGNESIUM, Doc has a lemon egg formula that gives you

calcium. I use the lemon egg juice and make lemonade

with it. Then I take magnesium with the lemonade. Or,

if you want, you can buy a cal-mag liquid that you can

get him to drink. Magnesium is good for any stress,

tension, or muscle cramps... IE tension headaches that

ruin my day. Magnesium should always be taken with

calcium, it helps the body use it better. Hope he

feels better soon.

 

=====

 

Love and Laughter,

 

Theresa M. Hook

 

hooked_on_travel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Lisa,

 

There have been many conversations in the past around depression and various herbs and natural remedies for this. I'm sure you can find a lot by searching the archives. :)Best,

Kelli

 

 

Lisa Carter [randasmommy2003] Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:50 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - DepressionHello everyone,My husband is suffering from serious depression.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all your ideas. I will have to start him on some

Magnesium and calcium. I don't think the tea will be to hard to get

him to take, I usually try to make him some every night. Thanks again,

Lisa C.

 

 

herbal remedies , theresa hook

<hooked_on_travel> wrote:

> Hello Lisa,

> I struggle with depression too. My depression is a

> result of anxiety. I worry, get overwhelmed, and then

> want to give up on everything... I have been working

> on natural remedies and nutritional healing. Until you

> can get him to do the cleanse, try these remedies: I

> find that the following works best for me:

>

> SUNSHINE, as early in the day as possible. Vitamin D

> deficiency is documented as causing depression. If he

> can't get outside before 10 AM for 30 minutes of

> sunshine, get him to take emulsified cod liver oil.

> They flavor it now and it is tasty.

>

> PASSION FLOWER, I make a tea, you can buy it ina tea

> bag or loose powder. I drink it 2x a day and it

> relieves stress, anxiety, and insomnia. It literally

> allows me to focus on the present instead of dwelling

> on the past or worrying about the future, and you

> don't even feel it working until you realize how

> clearly you begin to think and feel.

>

> MAGNESIUM, Doc has a lemon egg formula that gives you

> calcium. I use the lemon egg juice and make lemonade

> with it. Then I take magnesium with the lemonade. Or,

> if you want, you can buy a cal-mag liquid that you can

> get him to drink. Magnesium is good for any stress,

> tension, or muscle cramps... IE tension headaches that

> ruin my day. Magnesium should always be taken with

> calcium, it helps the body use it better. Hope he

> feels better soon.

>

> =====

>

> Love and Laughter,

>

> Theresa M. Hook

>

> hooked_on_travel

>

>

 

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AARGH!!! The archives?? Okay, thanks.

Lisa C.

 

 

herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...>

wrote:

> Hi Lisa,

>

> There have been many conversations in the past around depression

and various herbs and natural remedies for this. I'm sure you can

find a lot by searching the archives.

>

> Best,

> Kelli

>

>

> Lisa Carter [randasmommy2003]

> Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:50 PM

> herbal remedies

> Herbal Remedies - Depression

>

>

> Hello everyone,

> My husband is suffering from serious depression.

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know, I'm sorry!!! I feel like I'm commiting a crime against anyone I suggest go to the archives. I have started my indexing project of the archives (I've mentioned this previously), but I haven't gotten very far yet... Still working on it.

 

Good luck!

 

Kelli

 

 

Lisa Carter [randasmommy2003] Friday, July 16, 2004 2:05 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Depression AARGH!!! The archives?? Okay, thanks.Lisa C.

[Guest guest]

This is an old email that I've kept in my files from a group by the name of

Gettingwell run by someone called Frank <g>

Still seems like a promising regime to me.

 

Ray.

 

-

anagrammys

Gettingwell

Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:29 PM

Re: Depression

 

 

--1 SAMe a.m.

100mg b-6, 100mg.magnesium, 50 to 100mg 5-htp p.m.

Works like a charm and helps joint pain too.

(If magnesium upsets your stomach, bathe in epsom salts to absorb the

mag.)

 

 

- In Gettingwell, " Melanie :-D " <dalemd__@h...> wrote:

> Hello,

> I am looking for naturopathic information regarding the treatment

> of depression. In general I do not like to take drugs if it is not

> necessary. Zoloft is being used for treatment, and I am looking for

> something else that may not have the digestive side effects. I have

> such a sensitive stomach, and don't want to feel like I have the

flu

> all the time!! Any suggestions?

> Melanie :-)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ray,

 

You may want to seek counseling. You might be just a glutton for

punishment. F.

 

 

 

 

 

, " virgil "

<virgil7@c...> wrote:

> This is an old email that I've kept in my files from a group by the

name of Gettingwell run by someone called Frank <g>

> Still seems like a promising regime to me.

>

> Ray.

>

> -

> anagrammys

> Gettingwell

> Sunday, December 01, 2002 11:29 PM

> Re: Depression

>

>

> --1 SAMe a.m.

> 100mg b-6, 100mg.magnesium, 50 to 100mg 5-htp p.m.

> Works like a charm and helps joint pain too.

> (If magnesium upsets your stomach, bathe in epsom salts to absorb the

> mag.)

>

>

> - In Gettingwell, " Melanie :-D " <dalemd__@h...> wrote:

> > Hello,

> > I am looking for naturopathic information regarding the treatment

> > of depression. In general I do not like to take drugs if it is not

> > necessary. Zoloft is being used for treatment, and I am looking for

> > something else that may not have the digestive side effects. I have

> > such a sensitive stomach, and don't want to feel like I have the

> flu

> > all the time!! Any suggestions?

> > Melanie :-)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything

> natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has

> information please let me know .

> Thank you very much!

 

Rebecca,

 

St. Johns Wort is wonderful to help with depression and anxiety. It comes

in many different forms. Most herb shops carry it in capsules and tincture

form. Not sure which form would work best for you....perhaps someone else

will chime in soon.

I have a friend that used it for depression....and he found a wonderful

'side effect'. He had been diagnosed with ADD, and since he took the St.

Johns Wort for the depression, he no longer has any symptoms of the ADD

either.

 

Hope this helps, and someone else will give you some other ideas as well.

 

Candy

 

 

 

--

 

 

Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release 1/16/2005

[Guest guest]

Hi Rebecca,

 

St. John's Wort is really good for depression.. My husband takes it

and it has really helped him. It took about 2 weeks for it to start

working and a little dosage ajustments for him. I hear it is

differant in everyone.. But once it started working He just started

feeling better & better.. He had been depressed all of His life and

now He is a differant man.. It wouldn't hurt for you to try it..

I hope this helps..

Shalom,

Eibhlin

 

herbal remedies , " Rebecca " <rmontano21>

wrote:

>

>

> I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything

> natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has

> information please let me know .

> Thank you very much!

[Guest guest]

I personally found no help for deppression through the use of St. Johns

Wort (it is good for mild depression) However I did find amazing

results with the use of Sam-E ! The best brand that I found of high

quality from all my research is from Nature Made - but what ever brand

you chose (if you chose) always buy enteric coated! It must be taken on

an empty stomach. Also you are best to take only in morning and or

early afternoon as taking it vefore bed May cause you to not feel tired

- however it certainly is not an energizing type like ginsing or

anything like that.

 

 

Hugs

Deana

 

*this is my personal experience

 

 

C. Lucas wrote:

 

>

> > I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything

> > natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has

> > information please let me know .

> > Thank you very much!

>

> Rebecca,

>

> St. Johns Wort is wonderful to help with depression and anxiety. It

> comes

> in many different forms. Most herb shops carry it in capsules and

> tincture

> form. Not sure which form would work best for you....perhaps someone

> else

> will chime in soon.

> I have a friend that used it for depression....and he found a wonderful

> 'side effect'. He had been diagnosed with ADD, and since he took the St.

> Johns Wort for the depression, he no longer has any symptoms of the ADD

> either.

>

> Hope this helps, and someone else will give you some other ideas as well.

>

> Candy

>

>

>

> --

>

>

> Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release 1/16/2005

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

> natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician

> and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

> long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

> *

[Guest guest]

Hi Rebecca,

 

You have some to the right place!

 

First of all there are vitamins that are natural antidepressants. You need to make absolutely sure you're getting calcium and magnesium, and also your B vitamins. B1 is a natural antidepressant but it needs to be taken with B Complex, Vitamin C, Vitamins E, A and D as well so you don't develop a deficiency.

 

Also, Lobelia and Kava Kava are great for stress. St. John's Wart is an herb that many have had success with for depression.

 

Email me privately for more information on how to get the best vitamins.

ML,

 

LaneRebecca <rmontano21 wrote:

I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has information please let me know .Thank you very much!

[Guest guest]

Sorry I forgot to mention that My husband also takes a B-Complex &

Vit. C with the St. John's Wort.

Everyone's body is differant what might work for one may not for

another..

Also like Lane has mentioned Lobelia and Kava Kava are really good

for stress, it is even very good for pain and muscle spasms, I know

it has worked for me..

Shalom

Eibhlin

 

herbal remedies , Lane Eddington

<goldenpoems@a...> wrote:

> Hi Rebecca,

>

> You have some to the right place!

>

> First of all there are vitamins that are natural antidepressants.

You need to make absolutely sure you're getting calcium and

magnesium, and also your B vitamins. B1 is a natural antidepressant

but it needs to be taken with B Complex, Vitamin C, Vitamins E, A and

D as well so you don't develop a deficiency.

>

> Also, Lobelia and Kava Kava are great for stress. St. John's Wart

is an herb that many have had success with for depression.

>

> Email me privately for more information on how to get the best

vitamins.

>

> ML,

>

> Lane

> Rebecca <rmontano21> wrote:

>

>

>

> I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything

> natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has

> information please let me know .

> Thank you very much!

>

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - Kava Kava is AWESOME! This is another one that Big Pharma is trying to squash through having the FDA put out negative press on it. But it truly cures anxiety and "terror stomach" which i used to get. I used to be so nervous I could not sleep or eat for days... and Kava was the ONLY thing that helped it. Also Lobelia helps but I find I have to take a lot of it. Eibhlin <eibhlinyah wrote:

Sorry I forgot to mention that My husband also takes a B-Complex & Vit. C with the St. John's Wort. Everyone's body is differant what might work for one may not for another.. Also like Lane has mentioned Lobelia and Kava Kava are really good for stress, it is even very good for pain and muscle spasms, I know it has worked for me.. ShalomEibhlinherbal remedies , Lane Eddington wrote:> Hi Rebecca,> > You have some to the right place!> > First of all there are vitamins that are natural antidepressants. You need to make absolutely sure you're getting calcium and magnesium, and also your B vitamins. B1 is a natural antidepressant but it needs to be taken with B Complex, Vitamin C, Vitamins E, A and D as well so you don't develop a

deficiency.> > Also, Lobelia and Kava Kava are great for stress. St. John's Wart is an herb that many have had success with for depression.> > Email me privately for more information on how to get the best vitamins. > > ML,> > Lane> Rebecca wrote:> > > > I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything > natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has > information please let me know .> Thank you very much!> > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... >

[Guest guest]

Hi Deana,

 

I wanted to add more personal experience as well. I think even the label "depression" as an "illness" is way too general. There are many, many underlying physical illnesses and nervous system deficiencies which can cause us to feel bad. PMS alone, which is caused by a drop in the body's calcium levels, can make you feel all kinds of terrible. But I think nowadays what doctors should do is test the person's sleeping, eating and exercise habits before they label them "depressed". I have had an underlying kidney condition for years which I didn't know about. All that time, I would have insomina sometimes and various hormonal rollercoasters, and what I didn't realize until this year, getting educated, was that was my BODY's way of telling me..... " hey, there's something seriously wrong in here!" So I think that depression is a symptom of physical trouble, a lot of the time. True, it's also a

symptom of something bad happening to you.... but that is when I take B vitamins and miraculously I am able to "get over it".

 

Hope this helps everyone on the group!!Lane

Deana <squeekyme wrote:

I personally found no help for deppression through the use of St. Johns Wort (it is good for mild depression) However I did find amazing results with the use of Sam-E ! The best brand that I found of high quality from all my research is from Nature Made - but what ever brand you chose (if you chose) always buy enteric coated! It must be taken on an empty stomach. Also you are best to take only in morning and or early afternoon as taking it vefore bed May cause you to not feel tired - however it certainly is not an energizing type like ginsing or anything like that.HugsDeana*this is my personal experienceC. Lucas wrote:>> > I would like to know what types of herbs or vitamins or anything> > natural is out there that helps with depression. If anyone has> > information

please let me know .> > Thank you very much!>> Rebecca,>> St. Johns Wort is wonderful to help with depression and anxiety. It > comes> in many different forms. Most herb shops carry it in capsules and > tincture> form. Not sure which form would work best for you....perhaps someone > else> will chime in soon.> I have a friend that used it for depression....and he found a wonderful> 'side effect'. He had been diagnosed with ADD, and since he took the St.> Johns Wort for the depression, he no longer has any symptoms of the ADD> either. >> Hope this helps, and someone else will give you some other ideas as well.>> Candy>>>> -- > > > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date:

1/16/2005>>>>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as> they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor

of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington>> *

[Guest guest]

Try a " whole food source " B complex (not synthetic). Keep your diet

clean from stimulants, processed foods/sugar, and caffeine as much

as possible ... use good foods to boost your system. Are you doing

any of the total nutrition formulas from the forum?

 

 

herbal remedies , " Holly@T... "

<peacefullone@g...> wrote:

>

> I've been feeling depressed now for about 3 weeks and I have a 22

> month old that still nurses. Is there anything that I can take to

> releive this?

>

> Thanks,

> Holly

>

> --

> I'm a work-at-home-mama.

> I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

> http://Holly.TheECstore.com

> I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

> See how Baby Levi is doing--> http://www.BabyLevi.com

> I'm a Consultant for NFB.

> http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

[Guest guest]

The one thing that came to my mind is drink your red raspberry leaf tea

EVERY DAY.

 

Marisa

Domestic Engineer

and

Mother of 2

 

 

Elijah

Lilypie Baby Ticker <http://lilypie.com>

Marin

Lilypie Baby Ticker <http://lilypie.com>

 

 

 

Holly [peacefullone]

Monday, February 14, 2005 9:31 AM

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - DEPRESSION

 

 

 

 

I've been feeling depressed now for about 3 weeks and I have a 22

month old that still nurses. Is there anything that I can take to

releive this?

 

Thanks,

Holly

 

--

I'm a work-at-home-mama.

I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

http://Holly.TheECstore.com

I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

See how Baby Levi is doing--> http://www.BabyLevi.com

I'm a Consultant for NFB.

http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

 

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

 

[Guest guest]

somethings i have found that has keep the black cloud from hanging around is walking for at least 30 minutes a day.. if not outside... deffinately do some kind of arobic exercises... also eating clean.. more fruits and veggies... balanced protein and carbs.. like veggies at each of my 6 small meals... no eating anything after 7:30PM.. taking a warm drink of the fresh lemon juice with organic maple syrup and cayenne... I ahve had so much energy and that cloud doesn't hang around.. feels like it has bween lifted and things are brighter... sunshine is great too for depression...

 

[Guest guest]

Where would I find this info?

 

 

-

" zengirl04 " <zengirl04

<herbal remedies >

Monday, February 14, 2005 4:52 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: DEPRESSION

 

 

>

>

>

> Try a " whole food source " B complex (not synthetic). Keep your diet

> clean from stimulants, processed foods/sugar, and caffeine as much

> as possible ... use good foods to boost your system. Are you doing

> any of the total nutrition formulas from the forum?

>

>

> herbal remedies , " Holly@T... "

> <peacefullone@g...> wrote:

> >

> > I've been feeling depressed now for about 3 weeks and I have a 22

> > month old that still nurses. Is there anything that I can take to

> > releive this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Holly

> >

> > --

> > I'm a work-at-home-mama.

> > I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

> > http://Holly.TheECstore.com

> > I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

> > See how Baby Levi is doing--> http://www.BabyLevi.com

> > I'm a Consultant for NFB.

> > http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

>

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

[Guest guest]

A good health food store should have " whole food " supplements. The

body recognizes the ingredients over synthesized chemicals.

 

 

herbal remedies , " Holly " <peacefullone@g...>

wrote:

>

> Where would I find this info?

>

>

> -

> " zengirl04 " <zengirl04>

> <herbal remedies >

> Monday, February 14, 2005 4:52 PM

> Herbal Remedies - Re: DEPRESSION

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Try a " whole food source " B complex (not synthetic). Keep your

diet

> > clean from stimulants, processed foods/sugar, and caffeine as

much

> > as possible ... use good foods to boost your system. Are you

doing

> > any of the total nutrition formulas from the forum?

> >

> >

> > herbal remedies , " Holly@T... "

> > <peacefullone@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I've been feeling depressed now for about 3 weeks and I have a

22

> > > month old that still nurses. Is there anything that I can

take to

> > > releive this?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Holly

> > >

> > > --

> > > I'm a work-at-home-mama.

> > > I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

> > > http://Holly.TheECstore.com

> > > I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

> > > See how Baby Levi is doing--> http://www.BabyLevi.com

> > > I'm a Consultant for NFB.

> > > http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and

> to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long

> as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any

> person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and

> members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington@G...

> >

[Guest guest]

Also ... the suggestion that was made about exercises - spot on! It

does make a difference. If you don't currently exercise, then shoot

for at least 5 minutes outside. You'll be surprised how quickly

that adds up to 30 or more.

 

 

herbal remedies , " Holly " <peacefullone@g...>

wrote:

>

> Where would I find this info?

>

>

> -

> " zengirl04 " <zengirl04>

> <herbal remedies >

> Monday, February 14, 2005 4:52 PM

> Herbal Remedies - Re: DEPRESSION

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Try a " whole food source " B complex (not synthetic). Keep your

diet

> > clean from stimulants, processed foods/sugar, and caffeine as

much

> > as possible ... use good foods to boost your system. Are you

doing

> > any of the total nutrition formulas from the forum?

> >

> >

> > herbal remedies , " Holly@T... "

> > <peacefullone@g...> wrote:

> > >

> > > I've been feeling depressed now for about 3 weeks and I have a

22

> > > month old that still nurses. Is there anything that I can

take to

> > > releive this?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Holly

> > >

> > > --

> > > I'm a work-at-home-mama.

> > > I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

> > > http://Holly.TheECstore.com

> > > I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

> > > See how Baby Levi is doing--> http://www.BabyLevi.com

> > > I'm a Consultant for NFB.

> > > http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and

> to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long

> as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any

> person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and

> members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington@G...

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your advice. It gives me a bunch to think about and

look over.

 

Holly

 

--

I'm a work-at-home-mama.

I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

http://Holly.TheECstore.com

I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

View my photo album----> http://peacefull762002.tripod.com/

I'm a Consultant for NFB.

http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

[Guest guest]

Yeah, that sounds really good! I'll have to get some.

 

Holly

 

 

 

--

I'm a work-at-home-mama.

I sew for the EC Store!!! We've got you covered!!!

http://Holly.TheECstore.com

I'm also starting to sew for http://blessedenterprises.org/

View my photo album----> http://peacefull762002.tripod.com/

I'm a Consultant for NFB.

http://www.naturalfamilyboutique.com/?Hollymama

****************************************************************

 

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:04:32 -0800, Brady and Marisa

<corless wrote:

>

>

> The one thing that came to my mind is drink your red raspberry leaf tea

> EVERY DAY.

>

> Marisa

> Domestic Engineer

> and

> Mother of 2