Arthritis

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I am convinced that the low cell potassium always present in

rheumatoid arthritis is at least the most important symptom, if not

the actual cause. To see how to increase potassium in your diet

read; http://members.tripod.com/~charles_W/arthritis9.html

Sincerely, Charles Weber

[Guest guest]

Michael,

 

Thank you for the information, I will pass it along to

my Mother who suffers something awful from Arthritis.

Tanya

--- frandoch wrote:

> ARTHRITIS

>

>

> The symptoms of both rheumatoid-arthritis and

> osteo-arthritis are caused by

> the deposition of uric acid in the muscles or

> joints. Uric acid and other

> toxic acids come from the food we eat. In the past,

> our food contained

> vitamins and nutrients that controlled the levels of

> these acids, but modern

> methods of both farming and food production have

> removed many of these

> vitamins and minerals.

>

> Modern farming methods have caused the disappearance

> of many essential trace

> elements from their produce. Over decades,

> intensive farming has drained the

> soil of many essential minerals and trace elements.

> Although farmers add

> fertilizer to the soil, this fertilizer only

> replaces three substances,

> nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. To take just

> one example: consider

> selenium, an essential mineral and anti-oxidant. In

> most of the UK, the

> levels of selenium in the soil are very low and in

> some parts, especially the

> West Country, they're non-existent.

>

> Many doctors will tell you that arthritis is

> incurable, and that you will

> just have to live with it. But if it is caused by

> faulty diet, then surely

> by correcting our diets, we can at least relieve

> the symptoms, and perhaps

> cure the disease. There are hundreds and hundreds

> of people who have been

> totally cured of this condition: whose bodies show

> no sign whatever of the

> disease, after following the suggested regime below.

>

> But first, let's talk about conventional treatment.

> Arthritis is usually

> treated with drugs, pain-killers or surgery. The

> first resort of the

> medical profession is usually to prescribe an

> anti-inflammatory drug,

> usually one of the NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti

> Inflammatory Drugs). Their

> function is to reduce inflammation and reduce pain.

> They usually work, but

> only for a while. And while they may work, they also

> make the condition

> worse. So, what's next? A more powerful drug with

> more side effects, for

> which more drugs are prescribed. It's not unusual

> for people to be taking

> fifteen or more medications a day. In a study a few

> years ago it was found

> that 70%, that's 7 out of 10, non-surgical beds in

> all hospitals in the UK

> were taken up by patients suffering from an

> iatrogenic disorder, that is: a

> disorder caused by drugs prescribed by doctors.

> So, what then. As the

> patient becomes progressively worse, he or she will

> be referred to a

> consultant rheumatologist. After many months of

> waiting, in agonising pain,

> the patient will get a consultation, and will be

> put on a waiting list for

> surgery for up to two years.

>

> So, what's the answer? It's simple. Deal with the

> cause of arthritis, and

> not the symptoms.

>

> How do we do that? That's simple, too:-

>

> 1. Remove the toxic acids that have built up.

> 2. Reduce the intake of them.

> 3. Provide the nutrients which control them.

>

> YES:- IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE

> 1. To remove the build-up that exists.

>

> Honey and cider vinegar. Honey contains dozens of

> vitamins, minerals, trace

> elements, and amino-acids that we need in order to

> function properly. Cider

> vinegar contains various essential minerals, some

> vitamins, and acetic acid,

> which is a 'good' acid, in that it dissolves the

> hard acid deposits in the

> joints, and the waxy acid that can be deposited in

> muscles. and honey's

> nutrients help the body eliminate the toxic acids.

>

> If you are diabetic, don't use Honegar. Instead use

> Aspall's Organic Cider

> Vinegar, which is obtainable from most supermarkets

> and Health Food Stores,

> but you can generally take molasses, which is an

> unrefined product.

>

> 2 & 3.

>

> See attached diet sheet.

>

>

> Should you wish for further information to support

> this, there is a clinic,

> which only treats arthritis patients. It is run by

> Margaret Hills, SRN, who

> trained as a nurse at St Stephens Hospital. London,

> until her training was

> cut short by crippling heart disease and arthritis.

> Against all the odds and

> the prognoses of her doctors, she fought back, rid

> herself of arthritis, went

> on to get married, have eight children and continues

> a long career as an

> industrial nurse. She now shares her radical new and

> natural treatment for

> arthritis through:

>

> The Margaret Hills Clinic

> 1 Oaks Precinct

> Caesar Road

> KENILWORTH

> Warcs CV8 1DP

>

> 01926 854783

>

> The clinic offers a postal diagnosis and treatment

> schedule on which the

> above information is partly based. Margaret has also

> written a number of best

> selling books about arthritis.

>

> Here follows Message 4390 from Crystal.

>

> frandoch@a... Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:45

> am Re:

> [CrystalHW] Placebos

>

> Hi there Hazel, and others,No, I am not talking

> about remission. I'm talking

> about total cure, as measured by conventional

> hospital tests. And it doesn't

> seem to matter which form of arthritis is

> involved.However as you are already

> involved with Arthritis Care, I will put you on to

> one of the many sources I

> used in compiling the report.Two books, ISBN Nos

> below. written by a State

> Registered Nurse, who was crippled with both osteo-

> and rheumatoid arthritis

> as a young woman, actually during her nursing

> training She was told that she

> would never be able to lead a normal life, or

> complete her

> training.Conventional medicine failed her, so she

> started to research natural

> remedies. She developed a natural cure, and against

> all her doctors'

> predictions it was completely successful. There was

> no trace of the condition

> in her body.She set up a clinic in Kenilworth. As

> her fame spread, she

> realised that there were thousands and thousands of

> sufferers who could not

> visit her clinic, so she set up a system of

> treatment by post. It works. I

> have helped many people using similar methods.I am

> continually finding more

> information and will post anything I get that

> appears to be relevant.I know

> that conventional medicine offers little hope, and

> that conventionally

> trained doctors are very skeptical, but the results

> speak for

> themselves.Curing Arthritis The Drug Free

> WayMargaret Hills, SRN. ISBN

> 0-85969-689-8£6.99 PaperbackCuring ArthritisMore

> ways to a Drug Free

> LifeMargaret Hills, SRN. ISBN 0-85969-628-6£6.99

> Paperback

>

> Please try this. It works.Michael

>

>

> Should you want any further information, please

> contact me through the site,

> or direct at:

>

> frandoch

>

> (Some of the information herein is from personal

> correspondence

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

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ARTHRITIS

 

 

The symptoms of both rheumatoid-arthritis and osteo-arthritis are caused by

the deposition of uric acid in the muscles or joints. Uric acid and other

toxic acids come from the food we eat. In the past, our food contained

vitamins and nutrients that controlled the levels of these acids, but modern

methods of both farming and food production have removed many of these

vitamins and minerals.

 

Modern farming methods have caused the disappearance of many essential trace

elements from their produce. Over decades, intensive farming has drained

the

soil of many essential minerals and trace elements. Although farmers add

fertilizer to the soil, this fertilizer only replaces three substances,

nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. To take just one example: consider

selenium, an essential mineral and anti-oxidant. In most of the UK, the

levels of selenium in the soil are very low and in some parts, especially

the

West Country, they're non-existent.

 

Many doctors will tell you that arthritis is incurable, and that you will

just have to live with it. But if it is caused by faulty diet, then surely

by correcting our diets, we can at least relieve the symptoms, and perhaps

cure the disease. There are hundreds and hundreds of people who have been

totally cured of this condition: whose bodies show no sign whatever of the

disease, after following the suggested regime below.

 

But first, let's talk about conventional treatment. Arthritis is usually

treated with drugs, pain-killers or surgery. The first resort of the

medical profession is usually to prescribe an anti-inflammatory drug,

usually one of the NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drugs). Their

function is to reduce inflammation and reduce pain. They usually work, but

only for a while. And while they may work, they also make the condition

worse. So, what's next? A more powerful drug with more side effects, for

which more drugs are prescribed. It's not unusual for people to be taking

fifteen or more medications a day. In a study a few years ago it was found

that 70%, that's 7 out of 10, non-surgical beds in all hospitals in the UK

were taken up by patients suffering from an iatrogenic disorder, that is:

a

disorder caused by drugs prescribed by doctors. So, what then. As the

patient becomes progressively worse, he or she will be referred to a

consultant rheumatologist. After many months of waiting, in agonising

pain,

the patient will get a consultation, and will be put on a waiting list for

surgery for up to two years.

 

So, what's the answer? It's simple. Deal with the cause of arthritis,

and

not the symptoms.

 

How do we do that? That's simple, too:-

 

1. Remove the toxic acids that have built up.

2. Reduce the intake of them.

3. Provide the nutrients which control them.

 

YES:- IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE

1. To remove the build-up that exists.

 

Honey and cider vinegar. Honey contains dozens of vitamins, minerals, trace

elements, and amino-acids that we need in order to function properly. Cider

vinegar contains various essential minerals, some vitamins, and acetic acid,

which is a 'good' acid, in that it dissolves the hard acid deposits in the

joints, and the waxy acid that can be deposited in muscles. and honey's

nutrients help the body eliminate the toxic acids.

 

If you are diabetic, don't use Honegar. Instead use Aspall's Organic Cider

Vinegar, which is obtainable from most supermarkets and Health Food Stores,

but you can generally take molasses, which is an unrefined product.

 

2 & 3.

 

See attached diet sheet.

 

 

Should you wish for further information to support this, there is a clinic,

which only treats arthritis patients. It is run by Margaret Hills, SRN, who

trained as a nurse at St Stephens Hospital. London, until her training was

cut short by crippling heart disease and arthritis. Against all the odds and

the prognoses of her doctors, she fought back, rid herself of arthritis,

went

on to get married, have eight children and continues a long career as an

industrial nurse. She now shares her radical new and natural treatment for

arthritis through:

 

The Margaret Hills Clinic

1 Oaks Precinct

Caesar Road

KENILWORTH

Warcs CV8 1DP

 

01926 854783

 

The clinic offers a postal diagnosis and treatment schedule on which the

above information is partly based. Margaret has also written a number of

best

selling books about arthritis.

 

Here follows Message 4390 from Crystal.

 

frandoch@a... Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:45 am Re:

[CrystalHW] Placebos

 

Hi there Hazel, and others,No, I am not talking about remission. I'm talking

about total cure, as measured by conventional hospital tests. And it doesn't

seem to matter which form of arthritis is involved.However as you are

already

involved with Arthritis Care, I will put you on to one of the many sources I

used in compiling the report.Two books, ISBN Nos below. written by a State

Registered Nurse, who was crippled with both osteo- and rheumatoid arthritis

as a young woman, actually during her nursing training She was told that she

would never be able to lead a normal life, or complete her

training.Conventional medicine failed her, so she started to research

natural

remedies. She developed a natural cure, and against all her doctors'

predictions it was completely successful. There was no trace of the

condition

in her body.She set up a clinic in Kenilworth. As her fame spread, she

realised that there were thousands and thousands of sufferers who could not

visit her clinic, so she set up a system of treatment by post. It works. I

have helped many people using similar methods.I am continually finding more

information and will post anything I get that appears to be relevant.I know

that conventional medicine offers little hope, and that conventionally

trained doctors are very skeptical, but the results speak for

themselves.Curing Arthritis The Drug Free WayMargaret Hills, SRN. ISBN

0-85969-689-8£6.99 PaperbackCuring ArthritisMore ways to a Drug Free

LifeMargaret Hills, SRN. ISBN 0-85969-628-6£6.99 Paperback

 

Please try this. It works.Michael

 

 

Should you want any further information, please contact me through the site,

or direct at:

 

frandoch

 

(Some of the information herein is from personal correspondence with other

people)

 

Michael.

 

 

Diet Recommendations

 

1. Take one tablespoonful of Honegar in water twice a day (see note re

diabetics)

 

2. Take a teaspoonful of black molasses in water twice a day.

 

Food List

(If you must cheat, take extra diluted cider vinegar to counteract the

acids.)

 

NO (Orange font)

YES (Blue Font)

 

 

Cut down salt intake If you must have salt, use Solo. If you can't get

it, phone Low Sodium Sea Salt Co, Bromley on

020 84645536 for nearest supplier.

 

FAMILY= " SANSSERIF " FACE= " ArVinegar Cider vinegar.

 

Butter Vegetable oil spreads with buttermilk, but not

those which contain hydrogenated vegetable oil Read labels.

 

Milk, cream, cheese Skimmed milk is OK

Goat's milk and cheese, sheep's milk and cheese. Cottage cheese. You

can add chives, spring onions, spanish onion or permitted fruits.

Soya products.

Occasionally soft cheese. Twice a week max.

 

ALL citrus fruits and juices Peaches, pears, apples, bananas, apricots,

melons, grapes. Dried fruits.

Tomatoes twice a week max. if you must.

 

Pork, beef, bacon, ham Chicken, turkey, duck, rabbit.

Occasional lamb. Make mint sauce with cider vinegar.

Eggs, two twice a week max.

 

Coffee, cocoa, tea, alcohol Weak tea if you must.

Grain coffee.

Herbal teas.

Non-citrus fruit juices.

Vegetable juices.

 

Chocolate products Carob.

 

Fresh or frozen white fish - grilled, poached,

baked or steamed - NEVER battered or fried.

Mackerel, sardines, herring, salmon. Twice a week max. because they

are oily fish which absorb heavy metals from sea water.

 

All white flour products Wholemeal bread, brown rice and pasta.

 

Sugar. Read labels. Anything ending in -ose is a sugar. Molasses, dried

fruit (not citrus), sugar free jams.

 

Junk food, processed and convenience foods . Fresh food, vegetables,

salads. Look around for

farms which deliver organic vegetables. They're

springing up all over the country.

 

Wholemeal cereals. Especially oats.

 

Stick to this way of eating for a month. Then introduce forbidden foods one

at a time. You will soon find out which ones cause you problems.

 

Basically we are trying to do three things here.

 

1. Dissolve existing uric acid deposits in muscles and joints (thus cider

vinegar)

 

2. Eat a low acid diet to reduce uric acid formation.

 

3. Ensure adequate quantities of essential vitamins and minerals to deal

with unavoidable toxic

acids. (thus honey and molasses and supplements)

 

 

Shopping List

 

Martlet's 'Honegar'

Organic Cider Vinegar (Aspall's if possible)

Organic Blackstrap Molasses (Meridian if possible. If not, read list of

ingredients. It must be unsulphured)

Multi Vitamin B Complex. (Quest is good, it also contains 500mg Vit C)

Curcumin Capsules (Comes from Turmeric, an Indian spice used in curries.

It's a powerful anti-inflammatory and pain reliever. It is better than

Voltarol and has no side effects. It also boosts the effects of Glucosamine

Sulphate.

Ginger (In tincture form. It's a powerful anti-inflammatory. Jan de Vries

is good)

 

Follow the instructions on the labels for dosage.

 

I am sourcing a couple more things for you to take. I know you appear to be

a walking apothecary, but what I am advising won't have to be taken for

ever. As you improve, dosages can be reduced and in time you will be able

to

come off everything except vitamins that I will supply and cider vinegar.

Also I would like to get you off prescription drugs if possible.

 

When your Vitamin C runs out make sure you replace it with one containing

Citrus Bioflavonoids. It is also better to take 500mg twice a day than

1000mg once a day, as the body doesn't store Vitamin C.

 

Please send me an accurate list of all prescribed medicines you are taking,

giving the trade name, the chief constituents and the dosage instructions.

 

Cider Vinegar is an amazing liquid. It dissolves acid deposits in muscles

and on bone. Try an experiment to see for yourself. Put an egg in a glass,

cover it with cider vinegar and leave it for 48 hours. You will find the

egg

still whole but with no shell. Eggshell is in some ways similar to uric

acid

deposits.

 

Cider vinegar is also a blood pressure normaliser. It lowers high blood

pressure and raises low blood pressure. Provided you monitor your blood

pressure very regularly, you may be able to reduce your prescription drug.

Cider vinegar is also a diuretic. You will need to urinate more frequently.

You may be able to reduce your water tablet.

 

As I have said before, please feel free to discuss any of this with your GP.

I am also happy to supply information to your GP if required. If there is a

problem about me advising you, tell your GP that my role is not to treat

people, but to research alternative and complementary therapies, to act as

a

clearing house for up-to-date information on a wide range of treatments for

most chronic disorders, from sources around the world.

 

Don't forget, you can email me at anytime - frandoch

 

 

 

 

Michael.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 29/04/03 09:57:06 GMT Daylight Time, angelstar69

writes:

 

 

> with exception of cider vinegar &

> honey & molasses, and specific vits & minerals!!!

>

 

Hi Hazel,

 

The exception is the important bit. Sorry you didn't get the font colours.

The info was tabulated but wouldn't stay tabulated on AOL email.

 

I will post diet guidelines in different format today, to make it clear, plus

further information about the healing process.

 

Michael.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

frandoch said:

 

> ARTHRITIS

>

 

 

thanks will read over this properly later .... but doesn't seem much

different to much of what I am doing; with exception of cider vinegar &

honey & molasses, and specific vits & minerals!!!

 

also, can't see the font colours - but think I guess which foods were which!

 

so will give them a go & see what difference it makes

in frith

 

crystal & reiki rainbows

Hazel

 

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incorporating crystals & gemstones

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--- frandoch wrote:

>

Michael, the orange and blue fonts didn't come

through, so the yes and no foods aren't clear.

 

Also, I don't mean to sound critical, but the

suggested test with vinegar sounds a bit like

scientists trying to prove an action in a human being

by working in a test tube or on a slide. It

presupposes that the vinegar actually reaches the

accumulated uric acid deposits in the joints in the

same form in which it's ingested. That's unlikely.

 

May

 

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 29/04/03 18:27:08 GMT Daylight Time, mterry

writes:

 

 

> Michael, the orange and blue fonts didn't come

> through, so the yes and no foods aren't clear.

>

> Also, I don't mean to sound critical, but the

> suggested test with vinegar sounds a bit like

> scientists trying to prove an action in a human being

> by working in a test tube or on a slide. It

> presupposes that the vinegar actually reaches the

> accumulated uric acid deposits in the joints in the

> same form in which it's ingested. That's unlikely.

>

 

Hi May and others who have responded,

 

I have already posted re the font problem, - and said that I will post

the diet information again, in a different format to make it clear, which I

am working on, as we 'speak'.

 

The 'test' re the vinegar and the egg, was not to be taken as scientific

evidence of the effects of cider vinegar in humans. It was just a

suggestion, - to perhaps show to people who doubted, that cider vinegar

does have an effect on hard deposits, that just possibly, it could have an

effect on uric acid deposits, - that conventional medicine may not be right

- that 'doctors' may not have all the answers.

 

I suffered serious injury, in an accident, to two joints in my body. I

refused conventional treatment, and was told, that my refusal would result in

crippling arthritis within months. That was thirty five years ago. I have

no trace of arthritis in my body.

 

If you prefer to accept conventional medical 'wisdom', that's fine. I force

no-one to accept anything I say. I offer evidence. And the evidence is -

that there is a cure for arthritis - that thousands - yes thousands of

people have been cured - that conventional hospital tests have shown this.

 

And yes - there are many different forms of arthritis - but it doesn't

seem to matter - this form of safe treatment appears to work.

 

If you choose to say that I am wrong - or deluded - that's fine. It's

your choice. I merely offer you evidence - whether or not you accept it,

is up to you.

 

Love and Light

 

Michael.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

May Terry said:

>>>

Also, I don't mean to sound critical, but the

 

suggested test with vinegar sounds a bit like

 

scientists trying to prove an action in a human being

 

by working in a test tube or on a slide. It

 

presupposes that the vinegar actually reaches the

 

accumulated uric acid deposits in the joints in the

 

same form in which it's ingested. That's unlikely.>>

 

The cider vinegar & honey apparently does work well - in some people! I

have personally spoken with many in my work as an Arthritis Care

volunteer, who swear by it. But like everything, what works for one

person may not work for another; and with over 200 types of arthritis; it

certainly is not likely to work for every type either.

 

Certainly if food intolerance is an issue; then eliminating the offending

foods and replacing missing nutrients will work wonders - but also to

remain free from the symptoms required adherence to avoiding all toxins in

future; otherwise symptoms will return.

 

 

 

 

in frith

 

crystal & reiki rainbows

Hazel

 

Angelstar Crystals - Crystal & Reiki healing; Jewellery & Gifts

incorporating crystals & gemstones

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Thank you very much Micheal,It is really worth to wait.

I will do what is suggested.It is interesting in some aspect.You know citrus

fruit and juices are forbidden.Do you know what we grow.We grow oranges and

grapefruits.

Anyway i will start this diet tonight and will forward this article to my

friends.

Thank you again,

love,

Lale

 

 

Frandoch

Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:27:57 EDT

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, frandoch@a... wrote:

> ARTHRITIS

 

 

Hello

have been following the emails and have another question...

 

does this also work for trigger fingers as overhere doctors gave me

cortisone and i am allergic and then they told me that only surgery

was my way out but that it could repeat itself...

 

thanks,blessings

dorann

[Guest guest]

I have less pain and stiffness when I eat a wheat free diet, take flax seed

capsules and drink alfalfa herb tea. I also put arnica gel on painful

joints. It's a good idea to stay away from caffeine and excess refined

sugar. I think the honey vinegar thing is worth a try. I am going to buy

some organic cider vinegar this week. My 2 cents. pegasus

 

 

> does this also work for trigger fingers as overhere doctors gave me

> cortisone and i am allergic and then they told me that only surgery

> was my way out but that it could repeat itself...

>

> thanks,blessings

[Guest guest]

Peg R said:

>

 

> I have less pain and stiffness when I eat a wheat free diet, take flax

> seed

> capsules and drink alfalfa herb tea. I also put arnica gel on painful

> joints. It's a good idea to stay away from caffeine and excess refined

> sugar. I think the honey vinegar thing is worth a try. I am going to buy

> some organic cider vinegar this week. My 2 cents. pegasus

 

 

I find that dairy is my biggest no=go; with wheat a problem too but not

quite so bad!!!!! and as you say caffeine; excess sugar etc are generally

bad for health - not just arthritis

 

I plan on trying the cider vinegar too ...as part of an overall

detox/re=energise arthritis plan ... I do the detox semi-regular so will

be interesting to see if adding in the cider vinegar makes a difference!

 

in frith

 

crystal & reiki rainbows

Hazel

 

Angelstar Crystals - Crystal & Reiki healing; Jewellery & Gifts

incorporating crystals & gemstones

www.angelstar-crystals.co.uk

 

 

 

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Hello

I hardly dont drink coffee or tea but i am addicted to coca cola...

love cheese stuff

and dont like wheat...

let me know how it went with the honey vinegar..

 

peace dorann

 

 

 

 

, " Hazel "

<angelstar69@u...> wrote:

>

> Peg R said:

> >

>

> > I have less pain and stiffness when I eat a wheat free diet,

take flax

> > seed

> > capsules and drink alfalfa herb tea. I also put arnica gel on

painful

> > joints. It's a good idea to stay away from caffeine and excess

refined

> > sugar. I think the honey vinegar thing is worth a try. I am

going to buy

> > some organic cider vinegar this week. My 2 cents. pegasus

>

>

> I find that dairy is my biggest no=go; with wheat a problem too

but not

> quite so bad!!!!! and as you say caffeine; excess sugar etc are

generally

> bad for health - not just arthritis

>

> I plan on trying the cider vinegar too ...as part of an overall

> detox/re=energise arthritis plan ... I do the detox semi-regular

so will

> be interesting to see if adding in the cider vinegar makes a

difference!

>

> in frith

>

> crystal & reiki rainbows

> Hazel

>

> Angelstar Crystals - Crystal & Reiki healing; Jewellery & Gifts

> incorporating crystals & gemstones

> www.angelstar-crystals.co.uk

>

>

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Don't forget that wheat includes anything made with flour unless it's made

with rice flour or another kind of flour. Cookies and cake all have wheat in

them as do crackers. Many soups and gravies use a base of flour which is

made from wheat. I use brown rice flour to make gravy. I use rice flour to

make corn bread so I can make corn bread stuffing at Thanksgiving. I even

use rice flour instead of " regular " flour when I make brownies. As for Coke,

anything carbonated has phosphorus which isn't good for the bones in large

quantities. Coke also has caffeine.

 

 

-

 

> Hello

> I hardly dont drink coffee or tea but i am addicted to coca cola...

> love cheese stuff

> and dont like wheat...

> let me know how it went with the honey vinegar..

>

> peace dorann

[Guest guest]

hello peg

thanks for the information...

will take it in account

blessings dorann

 

 

, " Peg R "

<pegsram@n...> wrote:

> Don't forget that wheat includes anything made with flour unless

it's made

> with rice flour or another kind of flour. Cookies and cake all

have wheat in

> them as do crackers. Many soups and gravies use a base of flour

which is

> made from wheat. I use brown rice flour to make gravy. I use rice

flour to

> make corn bread so I can make corn bread stuffing at Thanksgiving.

I even

> use rice flour instead of " regular " flour when I make brownies. As

for Coke,

> anything carbonated has phosphorus which isn't good for the bones

in large

> quantities. Coke also has caffeine.

>

>

> -

>

> > Hello

> > I hardly dont drink coffee or tea but i am addicted to coca

cola...

> > love cheese stuff

> > and dont like wheat...

> > let me know how it went with the honey vinegar..

> >

> > peace dorann

[Guest guest]

MSM did it for my 89 yo uncle........Be careful of the brand...so many of

them have fillers....and are not pure MSM......dont know if we are allowed

to give addys on this group or not but if you are interested contact me off

group and I'll give you the address where I order his.

 

There is a test you can perform to see how much filler it has.......put it

in a glass of water and if remains clear after melting, you have a good MSM

product.......

 

Eloise

 

 

> The pain is back Is there anything natural that he can take that will

help??

> I checked out some archives and celery seed seemed like a Natural

> alternative, but that also says, " Do not take if your have kidney trouble "

[Guest guest]

Hello, juicing veggies and fruits is what I have found works the best for

elimination of arthritis and related illnesses. A good diet would be the one in

Dr. Lorraine Day's video called " You Can't Improve on God " . She eliminated her

breast cancer with it as well as her 85 year old mother's arthritis symptoms.

 

Kel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Linda. This is what helps me with arthritis:

 

I absolutely avoid coffee, even decaf. For me, coffee = joint pain.

I take vitamin C up to " bowel tolerance. " This means taking 1 gram

less vitamin C than the amount that gives a person diarrhea. My

recollection from reading is that this is somewhere between 8 and 12

grams, depending on the person. I take 12. I have come across the

Vitamin C approach to arthritis many times over the years, so it must

work for quite a few people. I don't know whether it is specific for

osteo or rheumatoid arthritis, but I seem to have both (never got a

diagnosis from an MD), and both respond to the C in my case. Since I

started with the high dose of C, I have had no significant arthritis

symptoms.

 

I have read posts on another list from several people who reversed

arthritis through diet. I have also read that treating hypothyroid,

if that condition exists, can reverse rheumatoid arthritis flares.

 

 

Catherine

 

, buckafrski@a...

wrote:

> I do hope someone can offer some help!!!

>

> MY Dad 83 who is relatively healthy, recently woke with severe pain

in his

> knee and couldn't walk for days, since he is the only driver in the

household,

> he couldn't get to his dr. We live 80 miles away, went and took

him to 24 hour

> emercare..where the Dr. said it was arthritis and gave him

celebrex...within

> 48 hours the swelling had subsided with the pain>>>>BUT when he

visited his

> regular MD...Dad was told to stop the celebrex immediately has it

would effect

> his kidneys which aren't 100%.

>

> The pain is back Is there anything natural that he can take that

will help??

> I checked out some archives and celery seed seemed like a Natural

> alternative, but that also says, " Do not take if your have kidney

trouble "

>

> I await any information that could make Dad mobil and painfree

again.

>

>

> Linda  (NJ)

> Bucks African Skies

> Buckafrski@a...

> http://www.angelfire.com/nj/BucksAfricanSkies

> =====================================

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hello Sylph.. I've been and still am, to a large degree, in the same

boat. I have/had tried all kinds of prescriptions and continue to

have flare-ups. But for the last 6 months or so i have been taking

MSM and it seemed to help some, but I learned that I needed to take

more, according to Suzi, i think, and so I did further research and

decided that that was the rout to go. My older brother had

recommended it to me for some time, but my Rheumy told me it was not

much good for RA. I finally decided to try it anyway, and since my

right arm had gotten so bad i couldn't reach up to comb my hair,

decided to really go for it and up the dosage. that was about a week

ago and my arm is a *****LOT**** better and both my feet, especially

the right foot had been so swollen and painfull that have been barely

ambulatory for past 3 months, but have been able to keep up my garden

some. since i have been taking more of it the swelling has gone down

and the pain has decreased quite a lot. I'm not 'cured' but definitly

improved and really have hopes for more improvement.

 

Also for the past 5 or 6 weeks i have been weaning off prednisone

from 10 mg now to 3 mg a day.

 

If you have been going through the archives here, you probably have

read about the Total Nutrician and the Total Tonic and changes in

diet. I have done these things and had improved quite a lot, but the

MSM really took me over the hump, at least so far<G>.

 

I coppied various information from this mail group and other sources

and if you wish, will e-mail it. it is a bit long, but not terribly.

 

or, you can do a or google search for MSM and get a lot of

information on it.

 

I also use a number of herbs that seem to have kept it at bay to some

extent. Parsley and dandelion tea daily and sometimes with some

taheebo in it, honey and cinnamon, UDO oil (which is a blend of

oils,) and a few others casually, and I know I would be worse were I

not taking them.

 

another really important thing for the stomach which helped me with

acid reflux was/is acidophalis, DGL and vegetable enzymes.

regards, grany lee

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " spiritualsylph "

<father_makenzie@h...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone. I have had severe Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 10

> years and it is giving me a terrible time, especially lately. In

the

> last 2 years, I've had my gallbladder removed (possibly unconnected

> to the RA), my stomach scoped 3 times and treated for ulcers from

> the medications, fairly serious foot surgery and I'm about to

embark

> upon knee surgery next month. It is a severe downhill slide lately.

> I've been on tons of medications over the past few years, but to no

> avail. The more I take, the more problems arise from it. Meanwhile,

> the RA continues to get worse, despite all of my doctors and

> specialists and their treatments. I thought I would like to explore

> the herbal realms, to search for relief. Does anyone here have any

> ideas? I don't know much about herbal remedies or aids, so I would

> really appreciate your input.

>

> BB

> Sylph

>

> Or--If anyone has this disease or something similar and has tips, I

> would greatly appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

Hi All, I was just reading a back issue of Herbs for Health and there

was an article on connective tissue. It said that ailments like

macular degeneration and rheumatoid arthritis benefit from

strengthening the connective tissue. I won't go into details of the

article. They explained connective tissue and what it does. From the

article, here are some things they suggest:

 

Gotu Kola

Hawthorn

Echinacea (mainly seems to promote tissue regeneration after injury)

Grape seed extract

pine bark

green tea

bilberry

 

If interested in the article it is from the Jan/Feb 2004 issue and I

think you can order specific issues from there site

www.herbsforhealth.com. It is a great issue too- lots of yummy

recipes.

 

And from other sources, I know oatstraw, nettle, horsetail, and bone

broths to also benefit connective tissue.

 

herbal remedies , " tvksi " <leo@1...> wrote:

> hello Sylph.. I've been and still am, to a large degree, in the

same

> boat. I have/had tried all kinds of prescriptions and continue to

> have flare-ups. But for the last 6 months or so i have been taking

> MSM and it seemed to help some, but I learned that I needed to take

> more, according to Suzi, i think, and so I did further research and

> decided that that was the rout to go. My older brother had

> recommended it to me for some time, but my Rheumy told me it was

not

> much good for RA. I finally decided to try it anyway, and since my

> right arm had gotten so bad i couldn't reach up to comb my hair,

> decided to really go for it and up the dosage. that was about a

week

> ago and my arm is a *****LOT**** better and both my feet,

especially

> the right foot had been so swollen and painfull that have been

barely

> ambulatory for past 3 months, but have been able to keep up my

garden

> some. since i have been taking more of it the swelling has gone

down

> and the pain has decreased quite a lot. I'm not 'cured' but

definitly

> improved and really have hopes for more improvement.

>

> Also for the past 5 or 6 weeks i have been weaning off prednisone

> from 10 mg now to 3 mg a day.

>

> If you have been going through the archives here, you probably have

> read about the Total Nutrician and the Total Tonic and changes in

> diet. I have done these things and had improved quite a lot, but

the

> MSM really took me over the hump, at least so far<G>.

>

> I coppied various information from this mail group and other

sources

> and if you wish, will e-mail it. it is a bit long, but not terribly.

>

> or, you can do a or google search for MSM and get a lot of

> information on it.

>

> I also use a number of herbs that seem to have kept it at bay to

some

> extent. Parsley and dandelion tea daily and sometimes with some

> taheebo in it, honey and cinnamon, UDO oil (which is a blend of

> oils,) and a few others casually, and I know I would be worse were

I

> not taking them.

>

> another really important thing for the stomach which helped me with

> acid reflux was/is acidophalis, DGL and vegetable enzymes.

> regards, grany lee

>

>

>

>

> herbal remedies , " spiritualsylph "

> <father_makenzie@h...> wrote:

> > Hi Everyone. I have had severe Rheumatoid Arthritis for over 10

> > years and it is giving me a terrible time, especially lately. In

> the

> > last 2 years, I've had my gallbladder removed (possibly

unconnected

> > to the RA), my stomach scoped 3 times and treated for ulcers from

> > the medications, fairly serious foot surgery and I'm about to

> embark

> > upon knee surgery next month. It is a severe downhill slide

lately.

> > I've been on tons of medications over the past few years, but to

no

> > avail. The more I take, the more problems arise from it.

Meanwhile,

> > the RA continues to get worse, despite all of my doctors and

> > specialists and their treatments. I thought I would like to

explore

> > the herbal realms, to search for relief. Does anyone here have

any

> > ideas? I don't know much about herbal remedies or aids, so I

would

> > really appreciate your input.

> >

> > BB

> > Sylph

> >

> > Or--If anyone has this disease or something similar and has tips,

I

> > would greatly appreciate it.

[Guest guest]

Sylph,

 

Let me first begin by saying that it sounds to me like you could use a very thorough cleanse. Your body is probably eaten alive by the medications you are on. Most here will also tell you to get Docs tape which you can get by emailing him from the address listed in the files.

 

Here are a few other suggestions, all of which you can find in the files section of the :

 

B F & C (bone, flesh and cartilage) tincture (this is found under Dr. Christopher's files)

 

Deep Tissue Repair Oil (Doc Shillington's file)

 

Anti-parasite/fungal formula (this is because parasites are frequently found to cause rhuematoid arthritis)

 

Either the Cal-Calm tea or Lemon egg, both of which are good sources of calcium

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sylph,

 

I almost forgot... MSM & Glucosamine is also good.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, Devil's Claw, For a report on it go to:

 

http://www.positivehealth.com/Reviews/osteo58.htm

 

 

 

 

 

-- In herbal remedies , " mtg1022 " <mtg1022@e...>

wrote:

> does anyone have any ideas of how to use herbals to help with

arthritis???

>

> mike

[Guest guest]

greetings. hmmmmmm yes, this is a good product, but

yet there is another item out there that is by far

superior, and the name is una de gato, or the english

name is cats claw, it is good/great for all types of

arthritis and work well with the immune system. and it

also good for tumors, cancers, etc.....blessed

be....bob

--- tempo33x <tempo33x wrote:

 

>

>

> Yes, Devil's Claw, For a report on it go to:

>

>

> http://www.positivehealth.com/Reviews/osteo58.htm

>

>

>

>

>

> -- In herbal remedies , " mtg1022 "

> <mtg1022@e...>

> wrote:

> > does anyone have any ideas of how to use herbals

> to help with

> arthritis???

> >

> > mike

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Mike,

 

Apart from any herbal and homeopathic remedies which could help with the inflammations, I would very strongly suggest a major overhaul:

1. Total Body Cleanse

2. organic food - especially meat

3. check for any foods which aggravate the condition, such as dairy

4. exercise

 

Herbal or homeopathic remedies will not CURE the arthritis, they can only alleviate the pain, without a substantial life style change.

 

Blessed be,

Lisa

 

-

mtg1022

herbal remedies

Monday, January 10, 2005 10:14 PM

Herbal Remedies - arthritis

 

does anyone have any ideas of how to use herbals to help with arthritis???

 

mike