Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Harjeet, What is the source of your time ? Is there any chance of it not being accurate. Cheers !!! Ash , " harjeet_bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > thanks very much for your prompt reply, > my date of marriage is 11th dec 2001 appx. around 3pm, new delhi. > i got married in mer/ketu. last couple of years have been horrible. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > > How are you getting 18 bindus in 7th house. Please verify. > > > > Please visit http://krushna.sageasita.com <http://krushna.sageasita.com> > > website and download KAS2005 software and lessons. It will be helpful > > in your learnings. > > > > Please furnish deatils on your marraige date etc. Based on this data > > there seems to be no delay in your marriage or say slight delay due to 0 > > poitns due to sun in 1st house. Mercury/Mercury u might have got > > married. > > > > Please verify. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > respected memebers, > > > i have only 18 bindus in my 7th house. it is having ketu in it too and > > > its lord venus is debilitated. so have many problems in my married > > life. > > > my dob is 30th sep 1974 / new delhi /10:40 am. > > > my spouse: 6th nov 1981 / new delhi /2:45 am. > > > if anyone can throw some light it would be highly helpful. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2006 hi ash, its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm. thanks/regards harjeet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Harjeet, I am talking about your birth time not marriage time. In any case, with the time given i.e. 10:40 am I am not getting so much delay unless you had some very strong affair or relationship with someone before marriage. Infact for your marriage to be in 2001/dec which incidentally is not Ketu as we are folloiwng krushnas ayanamsa your marriage happens to be in Venus antra who is LoE and has 21 poitns for 7th. If the answer is negative for an affair or very strong relationship before marriage then I am getting your time to be around 11:30 am. Cheers !!! Ash , " harjeet_bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > hi ash, > its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm. > thanks/regards > harjeet > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2006 ashji, i m totally new to krushnas system as i look into nakshatra and rasi dasas. yes u r right. i did had an 3 encounters before marriage between sep 1999 to october 2001 which happened to be mer/mer in nakshatra dasha. i had to go back to india because of my moms bad health, got engaged to the girl in october 2001 and married in december 2001. my time of birth might be 1 minute less or more.. but its accurate. i have to learn the lessons of krushnas system as i am novoice. my problem is that my married life is quite troublesome and started getting worse from around mid of 2004. if you can please tell me when its going to be back on track or its not going to be ? my wife dob is 6th nov 1981 / 2:45 am / new delhi and is accurate too. thanks for your reply and efforts. regards harjeet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > I am talking about your birth time not marriage time. > In any case, with the time given i.e. 10:40 am I am not getting so > much delay unless you had some very strong affair or relationship > with someone before marriage. > Infact for your marriage to be in 2001/dec which incidentally is not > Ketu as we are folloiwng krushnas ayanamsa your marriage happens to > be in Venus antra who is LoE and has 21 poitns for 7th. > > If the answer is negative for an affair or very strong relationship > before marriage then I am getting your time to be around 11:30 am. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > hi ash, > > its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm. > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Harjeet, You are running Moon antra and that is the weakest planet for 7th house. There definitely is strain. With respect to your wifes chart, I would like to make some comments. You yourself can read the effects and see the charts in the archives on such combinations. These are glaring observations in your wifes chart. 1) Ju in libra in Rasi and Navamsa 2) Venus to sun = 47 deg and Ve is in 4th place from Sa. Here Sa is controlling Venus due to Sa = 2 bindus and Ve = 6 bindus. Sa itself is 6th lord and placed in karak stahan AND Saturn is aspecting Moon in navamsa. 3) Lagna SAV poitns = 37 and difference between lagna and 7th points are 37/24 4) Venus to Sun = 47 and nakshtra of Moola. this venus is controlled by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. 5) Marriage in low points in moon antra, next antra was that of mars so there might have been problems in Ma antra i.e. begining of problems or issues, next antra was that of Guru again with lowest power so more issues and now Shani antra with highest power so your problems are enhanced. Sa is also 6th lord. 6) Also another point to note is that SAV points from 2nd thru 7th are all < 28 consecutively. I hope this gives u a lead... if u read the lesson in detail many things will get clear.. As per your wifes chart its showing a seperation and as per your chart also its showing multiple relations or marriage. Cheers !!! Ash harjeet_bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: ashji,i m totally new to krushnas system as i look into nakshatra and rasidasas.yes u r right. i did had an 3 encounters before marriage between sep1999 to october 2001 which happened to be mer/mer in nakshatra dasha.i had to go back to india because of my moms bad health, got engagedto the girl in october 2001 and married in december 2001. my time ofbirth might be 1 minute less or more.. but its accurate.i have to learn the lessons of krushnas system as i am novoice.my problem is that my married life is quite troublesome and startedgetting worse from around mid of 2004. if you can please tell me whenits going to be back on track or its not going to be ?my wife dob is 6th nov 1981 / 2:45 am / new delhi and is accurate too.thanks for your reply and efforts.regardsharjeet , "ashsam73"wrote:>> Dear Harjeet,> I am talking about your birth time not marriage time.> In any case, with the time given i.e. 10:40 am I am not getting so > much delay unless you had some very strong affair or relationship > with someone before marriage.> Infact for your marriage to be in 2001/dec which incidentally is not > Ketu as we are folloiwng krushnas ayanamsa your marriage happens to > be in Venus antra who is LoE and has 21 poitns for 7th.> > If the answer is negative for an affair or very strong relationship > before marriage then I am getting your time to be around 11:30 am.> > Cheers !!!> Ash> > , "harjeet_bakshi" > wrote:> >> > hi ash,> > its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm.> > thanks/regards> > harjeet> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2006 Dear Ash, you have covered all the points especially in regards to Harjeet's wife's chart. Also to be noted that 1st and 7th lords are not in a frinedly relation. --Manoshi , Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > You are running Moon antra and that is the weakest planet for 7th house. There definitely is strain. > > With respect to your wifes chart, I would like to make some comments. You yourself can read the effects and see the charts in the archives on such combinations. > > These are glaring observations in your wifes chart. > > 1) Ju in libra in Rasi and Navamsa > 2) Venus to sun = 47 deg and Ve is in 4th place from Sa. Here Sa is controlling Venus due to Sa = 2 bindus and Ve = 6 bindus. Sa itself is 6th lord and placed in karak stahan AND Saturn is aspecting Moon in navamsa. > 3) Lagna SAV poitns = 37 and difference between lagna and 7th points are 37/24 > 4) Venus to Sun = 47 and nakshtra of Moola. this venus is controlled by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. > > 5) Marriage in low points in moon antra, next antra was that of mars so there might have been problems in Ma antra i.e. begining of problems or issues, next antra was that of Guru again with lowest power so more issues and now Shani antra with highest power so your problems are enhanced. Sa is also 6th lord. > > 6) Also another point to note is that SAV points from 2nd thru 7th are all < 28 consecutively. > > I hope this gives u a lead... if u read the lesson in detail many things will get clear.. > > As per your wifes chart its showing a seperation and as per your chart also its showing multiple relations or marriage. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > harjeet_bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > ashji, > i m totally new to krushnas system as i look into nakshatra and rasi > dasas. > yes u r right. i did had an 3 encounters before marriage between sep > 1999 to october 2001 which happened to be mer/mer in nakshatra dasha. > i had to go back to india because of my moms bad health, got engaged > to the girl in october 2001 and married in december 2001. my time of > birth might be 1 minute less or more.. but its accurate. > i have to learn the lessons of krushnas system as i am novoice. > my problem is that my married life is quite troublesome and started > getting worse from around mid of 2004. if you can please tell me when > its going to be back on track or its not going to be ? > my wife dob is 6th nov 1981 / 2:45 am / new delhi and is accurate too. > thanks for your reply and efforts. > regards > harjeet > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > I am talking about your birth time not marriage time. > > In any case, with the time given i.e. 10:40 am I am not getting so > > much delay unless you had some very strong affair or relationship > > with someone before marriage. > > Infact for your marriage to be in 2001/dec which incidentally is not > > Ketu as we are folloiwng krushnas ayanamsa your marriage happens to > > be in Venus antra who is LoE and has 21 poitns for 7th. > > > > If the answer is negative for an affair or very strong relationship > > before marriage then I am getting your time to be around 11:30 am. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > --- In , " harjeet_bakshi " > > wrote: > > > > > > hi ash, > > > its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2006 Dear Ash,Namaskar, Thanks.Very nice justification is given elaborately by you.Though the rasi chart is showing delay but this is nullified in navamsa due to the position of lagna lord and 9th lord in 5:9 combination.That is why marriage was performed just crossing 20 years. We can say that it is timely marriage. Now from last two days I am unable to open my mailbox due to some problem.This is the reason I am mailing you from the message box. Whenever I try to open my mailbox, a message appears stating " Temporary problem accessing your mailbox " . If you know the technical reason for this then kindly suggest me the remedies on my another mail ID 'mishra46rc " .Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > You are running Moon antra and that is the weakest planet for 7th house. There definitely is strain. > > With respect to your wifes chart, I would like to make some comments. You yourself can read the effects and see the charts in the archives on such combinations. > > These are glaring observations in your wifes chart. > > 1) Ju in libra in Rasi and Navamsa > 2) Venus to sun = 47 deg and Ve is in 4th place from Sa. Here Sa is controlling Venus due to Sa = 2 bindus and Ve = 6 bindus. Sa itself is 6th lord and placed in karak stahan AND Saturn is aspecting Moon in navamsa. > 3) Lagna SAV poitns = 37 and difference between lagna and 7th points are 37/24 > 4) Venus to Sun = 47 and nakshtra of Moola. this venus is controlled by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. > > 5) Marriage in low points in moon antra, next antra was that of mars so there might have been problems in Ma antra i.e. begining of problems or issues, next antra was that of Guru again with lowest power so more issues and now Shani antra with highest power so your problems are enhanced. Sa is also 6th lord. > > 6) Also another point to note is that SAV points from 2nd thru 7th are all < 28 consecutively. > > I hope this gives u a lead... if u read the lesson in detail many things will get clear.. > > As per your wifes chart its showing a seperation and as per your chart also its showing multiple relations or marriage. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > harjeet_bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > ashji, > i m totally new to krushnas system as i look into nakshatra and rasi > dasas. > yes u r right. i did had an 3 encounters before marriage between sep > 1999 to october 2001 which happened to be mer/mer in nakshatra dasha. > i had to go back to india because of my moms bad health, got engaged > to the girl in october 2001 and married in december 2001. my time of > birth might be 1 minute less or more.. but its accurate. > i have to learn the lessons of krushnas system as i am novoice. > my problem is that my married life is quite troublesome and started > getting worse from around mid of 2004. if you can please tell me when > its going to be back on track or its not going to be ? > my wife dob is 6th nov 1981 / 2:45 am / new delhi and is accurate too. > thanks for your reply and efforts. > regards > harjeet > , " ashsam73 " > wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > I am talking about your birth time not marriage time. > > In any case, with the time given i.e. 10:40 am I am not getting so > > much delay unless you had some very strong affair or relationship > > with someone before marriage. > > Infact for your marriage to be in 2001/dec which incidentally is not > > Ketu as we are folloiwng krushnas ayanamsa your marriage happens to > > be in Venus antra who is LoE and has 21 poitns for 7th. > > > > If the answer is negative for an affair or very strong relationship > > before marriage then I am getting your time to be around 11:30 am. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > wrote: > > > > > > hi ash, > > > its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm. > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2006 thank you very much ashji, thanks for your detailed analysis. lots of things are true and clear to me. i am so grateful to you for your time efforts and skills you put in. thanks manoshiji and mishraji too for your replies. regards harjeet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2006 are there any remedies for both the cases.. like wearing any stone ? thanks/regards harjeet , " aarceemastro2002 " <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash,Namaskar, > Thanks.Very nice justification is given elaborately by you.Though the > rasi chart is showing delay but this is nullified in navamsa due to > the position of lagna lord and 9th lord in 5:9 combination.That is > why marriage was performed just crossing 20 years. We can say that it > is timely marriage. > Now from last two days I am unable to open my mailbox due to some > problem.This is the reason I am mailing you from the message box. > Whenever I try to open my mailbox, a message appears stating > " Temporary problem accessing your mailbox " . If you know the technical > reason for this then kindly suggest me the remedies on my another > mail ID 'mishra46rc " .Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > , Ash <ashsam73@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > You are running Moon antra and that is the weakest planet for 7th > house. There definitely is strain. > > > > With respect to your wifes chart, I would like to make some > comments. You yourself can read the effects and see the charts in > the archives on such combinations. > > > > These are glaring observations in your wifes chart. > > > > 1) Ju in libra in Rasi and Navamsa > > 2) Venus to sun = 47 deg and Ve is in 4th place from Sa. Here Sa > is controlling Venus due to Sa = 2 bindus and Ve = 6 bindus. Sa > itself is 6th lord and placed in karak stahan AND Saturn is aspecting > Moon in navamsa. > > 3) Lagna SAV poitns = 37 and difference between lagna and 7th > points are 37/24 > > 4) Venus to Sun = 47 and nakshtra of Moola. this venus is > controlled by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. > > > > 5) Marriage in low points in moon antra, next antra was that of > mars so there might have been problems in Ma antra i.e. begining of > problems or issues, next antra was that of Guru again with lowest > power so more issues and now Shani antra with highest power so your > problems are enhanced. Sa is also 6th lord. > > > > 6) Also another point to note is that SAV points from 2nd thru > 7th are all < 28 consecutively. > > > > I hope this gives u a lead... if u read the lesson in detail many > things will get clear.. > > > > As per your wifes chart its showing a seperation and as per your > chart also its showing multiple relations or marriage. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > harjeet_bakshi <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > ashji, > > i m totally new to krushnas system as i look into nakshatra and rasi > > dasas. > > yes u r right. i did had an 3 encounters before marriage between sep > > 1999 to october 2001 which happened to be mer/mer in nakshatra > dasha. > > i had to go back to india because of my moms bad health, got engaged > > to the girl in october 2001 and married in december 2001. my time of > > birth might be 1 minute less or more.. but its accurate. > > i have to learn the lessons of krushnas system as i am novoice. > > my problem is that my married life is quite troublesome and started > > getting worse from around mid of 2004. if you can please tell me > when > > its going to be back on track or its not going to be ? > > my wife dob is 6th nov 1981 / 2:45 am / new delhi and is accurate > too. > > thanks for your reply and efforts. > > regards > > harjeet > > , " ashsam73 " > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > I am talking about your birth time not marriage time. > > > In any case, with the time given i.e. 10:40 am I am not getting > so > > > much delay unless you had some very strong affair or relationship > > > with someone before marriage. > > > Infact for your marriage to be in 2001/dec which incidentally is > not > > > Ketu as we are folloiwng krushnas ayanamsa your marriage happens > to > > > be in Venus antra who is LoE and has 21 poitns for 7th. > > > > > > If the answer is negative for an affair or very strong > relationship > > > before marriage then I am getting your time to be around 11:30 am. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > , " harjeet_bakshi " > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > hi ash, > > > > its the appx. time. i guess it was around 3 pm. > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 3, 2007 Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala,Dadhi and all members, I got one female chart who is born on 15 Oct 1981 at the time of 17 :04 hrs the place of 18 N 58, 72 E 50 in India.Her lagna is 7 Pi 37. While analysing her marriage timing I am confused. Hope you all will help me approaching the correct timing.Never mind for the authenticity of correct birth time. In this chart blessings are present in navamsa. There is no delay by Sa but Ju causes delay. The delay of Ju ends on 23 Aug 04 when Mo antara in Ma main was running. Me/Ju in 2:12, Ma/Ve in 4:10, and Su/Sa in 4:10 combination. Su to Ve distance is> 43 deg.Ve is influenced by Sa, Ma and Ra.It means it is out of control. Su is aspected by Sa both in rasi and navamsa. No zero in SAV chart and Ju is not in libra. 6th lord in 7th house. Karak lord Ma in 6th house.Ma is weak in WS. Considering all the above factors I came to the decision that marriage should take place in the antara of planets having less points in WS for 7th house matter. The native currently running with Ra/Ra. Ra antara will not give the event. Following antara is that of Ju who is weak in WS for 7th.house. Ju is strong with 5 bindus in 7th house alongwith Su (6th lord) and Sa LoE.Therefore Ju becomes SD to Sa.So this way Ju can give its result in its first sector. Ju is strong in 2nd, 5th and 12th house. Next following antara will be that of Sa who is LoE and strong in WS with 15 points. But saturn is weak for 2nd and 5th house matter in WS.Sa is LoE . Now my confusion is how to choose/select between Ju and Sa antara ? Both the planets may give event in its first sector. Ju and Sa both are in 7th house alongwith Su. This also may happen that both the planets may pass over to its next antara to Me. Me is LoD. Me is weak in 5th but strong in 2nd, 7th and 12th house. Hope you all will analyse and give suitable selection of antara planets with concrete reason. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2007 Dear RAmesh, Saturn antra will give marriage. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala,Dadhi and all members, I got one female chart who is born on 15 Oct 1981 at the time of 17 :04 hrs the place of 18 N 58, 72 E 50 in India.Her lagna is 7 Pi 37. While analysing her marriage timing I am confused. Hope you all will help me approaching the correct timing.Never mind for the authenticity of correct birth time. In this chart blessings are present in navamsa. There is no delay by Sa but Ju causes delay. The delay of Ju ends on 23 Aug 04 when Mo antara in Ma main was running. Me/Ju in 2:12, Ma/Ve in 4:10, and Su/Sa in 4:10 combination. Su to Ve distance is> 43 deg.Ve is influenced by Sa, Ma and Ra.It means it is out of control. Su is aspected by Sa both in rasi and navamsa. No zero in SAV chart and Ju is not in libra. 6th lord in 7th house. Karak lord Ma in 6th house.Ma is weak in WS. Considering all the above factors I came to the decision that marriage should take place in the antara of planets having less points in WS for 7th house matter. The native currently running with Ra/Ra. Ra antara will not give the event. Following antara is that of Ju who is weak in WS for 7th.house. Ju is strong with 5 bindus in 7th house alongwith Su (6th lord) and Sa LoE.Therefore Ju becomes SD to Sa.So this way Ju can give its result in its first sector. Ju is strong in 2nd, 5th and 12th house. Next following antara will be that of Sa who is LoE and strong in WS with 15 points. But saturn is weak for 2nd and 5th house matter in WS.Sa is LoE . Now my confusion is how to choose/select between Ju and Sa antara ? Both the planets may give event in its first sector. Ju and Sa both are in 7th house alongwith Su. This also may happen that both the planets may pass over to its next antara to Me. Me is LoD. Me is weak in 5th but strong in 2nd, 7th and 12th house. Hope you all will analyse and give suitable selection of antara planets with concrete reason. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2007 Hello Ramesh, How do you get Jupiter delay in the chart ? It seems to me that whether the marriage will be happy or not will make a big difference in timing the event. You picked Guru antara as you judged that marriage will be unhappy. Ash picked Shani may be as it has more points in WS. Now this brings up two points 1. How can we be sure that a marraige is unhappy. Yes I realize there are parameters given, but it is a subjective call. 2. Can we tell a person not to marry in the antara of planet having less points in WS. In this case, would you suggest to the native it will be better if he/she does not get married in Ju anter and wait till Shani anter ? Thanks Satish P.S. I am looking at a chart where marriage took place in anter of lowest point planet in WS and it is for most part a happy marriage over 17 years --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala,Dadhi and all members, > I got one female chart who is born on 15 Oct 1981 > at the time of 17 :04 hrs the place of 18 N 58, 72 E > 50 in India.Her lagna is 7 Pi 37. > While analysing her marriage timing I am confused. > Hope you all will help me approaching the correct > timing.Never mind for the authenticity of correct > birth time. > In this chart blessings are present in navamsa. > There is no delay by Sa but Ju causes delay. The > delay of Ju ends on 23 Aug 04 when Mo antara in Ma > main was running. > Me/Ju in 2:12, Ma/Ve in 4:10, and Su/Sa in 4:10 > combination. > Su to Ve distance is> 43 deg.Ve is influenced by > Sa, Ma and Ra.It means it is out of control. > Su is aspected by Sa both in rasi and navamsa. > No zero in SAV chart and Ju is not in libra. > 6th lord in 7th house. > Karak lord Ma in 6th house.Ma is weak in WS. > Considering all the above factors I came to the > decision that marriage should take place in the > antara of planets having less points in WS for 7th > house matter. > The native currently running with Ra/Ra. Ra antara > will not give the event. > Following antara is that of Ju who is weak in WS > for 7th.house. Ju is strong with 5 bindus in 7th > house alongwith Su (6th lord) and Sa LoE.Therefore > Ju becomes SD to Sa.So this way Ju can give its > result in its first sector. > Ju is strong in 2nd, 5th and 12th house. > Next following antara will be that of Sa who is > LoE and strong in WS with 15 points. But saturn is > weak for 2nd and 5th house matter in WS.Sa is LoE . > Now my confusion is how to choose/select between > Ju and Sa antara ? > Both the planets may give event in its first > sector. > Ju and Sa both are in 7th house alongwith Su. This > also may happen that both the planets may pass over > to its next antara to Me. Me is LoD. > Me is weak in 5th but strong in 2nd, 7th and 12th > house. > Hope you all will analyse and give suitable > selection of antara planets with concrete reason. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > > > Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/features_spam.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2007 Hello Satish, There is Jupiter Delay in the chart, because Ju is in House B in Rasi and in Navamsa aspecting lord of A Mars. because of that there is jupiter delay. Ash suggested Sa, I came up with the following reasoning as to why he must have picked Sa. Now Ju is no doubt samdharmi to Sun(6th house lord), but Su and Mo are exempted from being 6th lord, there might be some deficiency in marriage because Sun is Lord of 12th from B in B but not necessarily 6th lord properties. Hence for Ju to give marriage, it has to give it because it is samdharmi to Sa, but it does not have enough points (less than 12), it probably did not give. Here Ve to Sun distance is greater than 43 aspected by Sa and Sa is with a luminary, the laws would like us to believe that it is an unhappy marriage, but then there is blessings in the Navamsa, I am assuming that would remove all the bad effects. About the example you gave, where the marriage is happy for over 17 years: There are also laws of friendship between charts, so if you overlap charts, maybe those laws hold true, and in those cases, marriage might not happen in lowest points antra ( because that person is going to have a happy marriage). But my problem is this: During prediction you only have chart of one person, so how can one look at only one side of the coin and estimate if it is a happy or an unhappy marriage and pick the antra accordingly? Ash would you like to help us determine unhappy marriages looking at only one chart? Your help would definitely be appreciated. Thanks, Sindhu --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > Hello Ramesh, > > How do you get Jupiter delay in the chart ? It seems > to me that whether the marriage will be happy or not > will make a big difference in timing the event. You > picked Guru antara as you judged that marriage will > be > unhappy. Ash picked Shani may be as it has more > points > in WS. Now this brings up two points > > 1. How can we be sure that a marraige is unhappy. > Yes > I realize there are parameters given, but it is a > subjective call. > > 2. Can we tell a person not to marry in the antara > of > planet having less points in WS. In this case, would > you suggest to the native it will be better if > he/she > does not get married in Ju anter and wait till Shani > anter ? > > Thanks > > Satish > > P.S. I am looking at a chart where marriage took > place > in anter of lowest point planet in WS and it is for > most part a happy marriage over 17 years > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: > > > Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala,Dadhi and all members, > > I got one female chart who is born on 15 Oct > 1981 > > at the time of 17 :04 hrs the place of 18 N 58, 72 > E > > 50 in India.Her lagna is 7 Pi 37. > > While analysing her marriage timing I am > confused. > > Hope you all will help me approaching the correct > > timing.Never mind for the authenticity of correct > > birth time. > > In this chart blessings are present in navamsa. > > There is no delay by Sa but Ju causes delay. The > > delay of Ju ends on 23 Aug 04 when Mo antara in Ma > > main was running. > > Me/Ju in 2:12, Ma/Ve in 4:10, and Su/Sa in 4:10 > > combination. > > Su to Ve distance is> 43 deg.Ve is influenced by > > Sa, Ma and Ra.It means it is out of control. > > Su is aspected by Sa both in rasi and navamsa. > > No zero in SAV chart and Ju is not in libra. > > 6th lord in 7th house. > > Karak lord Ma in 6th house.Ma is weak in WS. > > Considering all the above factors I came to the > > decision that marriage should take place in the > > antara of planets having less points in WS for 7th > > house matter. > > The native currently running with Ra/Ra. Ra > antara > > will not give the event. > > Following antara is that of Ju who is weak in WS > > for 7th.house. Ju is strong with 5 bindus in 7th > > house alongwith Su (6th lord) and Sa LoE.Therefore > > Ju becomes SD to Sa.So this way Ju can give its > > result in its first sector. > > Ju is strong in 2nd, 5th and 12th house. > > Next following antara will be that of Sa who is > > LoE and strong in WS with 15 points. But saturn is > > weak for 2nd and 5th house matter in WS.Sa is LoE > . > > Now my confusion is how to choose/select between > > Ju and Sa antara ? > > Both the planets may give event in its first > > sector. > > Ju and Sa both are in 7th house alongwith Su. > This > > also may happen that both the planets may pass > over > > to its next antara to Me. Me is LoD. > > Me is weak in 5th but strong in 2nd, 7th and > 12th > > house. > > Hope you all will analyse and give suitable > > selection of antara planets with concrete reason. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for > - > > Answers > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/features_spam.html > ______________________________\ ____ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. http://new.mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2007 Dear Satish, Please post the chart with some events that you found with less points. Kindly also give the education, field of work, children if any, accident etc, so we can study such charts. It will be good learning for all. If you get such charts then you can post it. Sindhu is correct in saying about chart matching, so in the case that you have , can u also post the chart of the wife/husband also so all can do a through analysis. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , Sindhu Iyer <sindhu_iyer wrote: > > Hello Satish, > There is Jupiter Delay in the chart, because Ju is > in House B in Rasi and in Navamsa aspecting lord of A > Mars. because of that there is jupiter delay. > > Ash suggested Sa, I came up with the following > reasoning as to why he must have picked Sa. > > Now Ju is no doubt samdharmi to Sun(6th house lord), > but Su and Mo are exempted from being 6th lord, there > might be some deficiency in marriage because Sun is > Lord of 12th from B in B but not necessarily 6th lord > properties. Hence for Ju to give marriage, it has to > give it because it is samdharmi to Sa, but it does not > have enough points (less than 12), it probably did not > give. > > Here Ve to Sun distance is greater than 43 aspected by > Sa and Sa is with a luminary, the laws would like us > to believe that it is an unhappy marriage, but then > there is blessings in the Navamsa, I am assuming that > would remove all the bad effects. > > About the example you gave, where the marriage is > happy for over 17 years: > There are also laws of friendship between charts, so > if you overlap charts, maybe those laws hold true, and > in those cases, marriage might not happen in lowest > points antra ( because that person is going to have a > happy marriage). But my problem is this: > > During prediction you only have chart of one person, > so how can one look at only one side of the coin and > estimate if it is a happy or an unhappy marriage and > pick the antra accordingly? > > Ash would you like to help us determine unhappy > marriages looking at only one chart? Your help would > definitely be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Sindhu > > > > > --- SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > Hello Ramesh, > > > > How do you get Jupiter delay in the chart ? It seems > > to me that whether the marriage will be happy or not > > will make a big difference in timing the event. You > > picked Guru antara as you judged that marriage will > > be > > unhappy. Ash picked Shani may be as it has more > > points > > in WS. Now this brings up two points > > > > 1. How can we be sure that a marraige is unhappy. > > Yes > > I realize there are parameters given, but it is a > > subjective call. > > > > 2. Can we tell a person not to marry in the antara > > of > > planet having less points in WS. In this case, would > > you suggest to the native it will be better if > > he/she > > does not get married in Ju anter and wait till Shani > > anter ? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > > > P.S. I am looking at a chart where marriage took > > place > > in anter of lowest point planet in WS and it is for > > most part a happy marriage over 17 years > > --- ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala,Dadhi and all members, > > > I got one female chart who is born on 15 Oct > > 1981 > > > at the time of 17 :04 hrs the place of 18 N 58, 72 > > E > > > 50 in India.Her lagna is 7 Pi 37. > > > While analysing her marriage timing I am > > confused. > > > Hope you all will help me approaching the correct > > > timing.Never mind for the authenticity of correct > > > birth time. > > > In this chart blessings are present in navamsa. > > > There is no delay by Sa but Ju causes delay. The > > > delay of Ju ends on 23 Aug 04 when Mo antara in Ma > > > main was running. > > > Me/Ju in 2:12, Ma/Ve in 4:10, and Su/Sa in 4:10 > > > combination. > > > Su to Ve distance is> 43 deg.Ve is influenced by > > > Sa, Ma and Ra.It means it is out of control. > > > Su is aspected by Sa both in rasi and navamsa. > > > No zero in SAV chart and Ju is not in libra. > > > 6th lord in 7th house. > > > Karak lord Ma in 6th house.Ma is weak in WS. > > > Considering all the above factors I came to the > > > decision that marriage should take place in the > > > antara of planets having less points in WS for 7th > > > house matter. > > > The native currently running with Ra/Ra. Ra > > antara > > > will not give the event. > > > Following antara is that of Ju who is weak in WS > > > for 7th.house. Ju is strong with 5 bindus in 7th > > > house alongwith Su (6th lord) and Sa LoE.Therefore > > > Ju becomes SD to Sa.So this way Ju can give its > > > result in its first sector. > > > Ju is strong in 2nd, 5th and 12th house. > > > Next following antara will be that of Sa who is > > > LoE and strong in WS with 15 points. But saturn is > > > weak for 2nd and 5th house matter in WS.Sa is LoE > > . > > > Now my confusion is how to choose/select between > > > Ju and Sa antara ? > > > Both the planets may give event in its first > > > sector. > > > Ju and Sa both are in 7th house alongwith Su. > > This > > > also may happen that both the planets may pass > > over > > > to its next antara to Me. Me is LoD. > > > Me is weak in 5th but strong in 2nd, 7th and > > 12th > > > house. > > > Hope you all will analyse and give suitable > > > selection of antara planets with concrete reason. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for > > - > > > Answers > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > > Try the free Mail Beta. > > > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/features_spam.html > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail beta. > http://new.mail. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ash, Satish and Sindhu, Thanks for help. All of you are telling Sa antara. You may be correct also. But my thought is different from you based on the following reasons. Please comment on my thought. KAS rules state that if married life is unhappy then it takes in the antara of planets who has lowest point in WS or in the antara of 6th lord. In this chart ,under 100 point scale the native scores only 20 points.So very less point. Su to Ve distance is > 43 and Ve is influenced by Sa, Ma and Ra.Therefore NK of marriage is totally spoiled. Ma is FK who occupy 6th house and weak in WS. Two malefic planets Su and Sa are present in her 7th house. I do not consider Su as 6th lord but natural behaviour of Su is kroor/ So based on these parameters, " Can we not say that married life is going to be in disharmony ? " If it is so then why marriage not should be in the antara of Ju ? Though the chart is showing blessings, it means the marriage may take place in first sector and there may not be the break in marriage. What you have to say ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Ash <ashsam73 wrote: Dear RAmesh, Saturn antra will give marriage. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash, Manoshi, Bala,Dadhi and all members, I got one female chart who is born on 15 Oct 1981 at the time of 17 :04 hrs the place of 18 N 58, 72 E 50 in India.Her lagna is 7 Pi 37. While analysing her marriage timing I am confused. Hope you all will help me approaching the correct timing.Never mind for the authenticity of correct birth time. In this chart blessings are present in navamsa. There is no delay by Sa but Ju causes delay. The delay of Ju ends on 23 Aug 04 when Mo antara in Ma main was running. Me/Ju in 2:12, Ma/Ve in 4:10, and Su/Sa in 4:10 combination. Su to Ve distance is> 43 deg.Ve is influenced by Sa, Ma and Ra.It means it is out of control. Su is aspected by Sa both in rasi and navamsa. No zero in SAV chart and Ju is not in libra. 6th lord in 7th house. Karak lord Ma in 6th house.Ma is weak in WS. Considering all the above factors I came to the decision that marriage should take place in the antara of planets having less points in WS for 7th house matter. The native currently running with Ra/Ra. Ra antara will not give the event. Following antara is that of Ju who is weak in WS for 7th.house. Ju is strong with 5 bindus in 7th house alongwith Su (6th lord) and Sa LoE.Therefore Ju becomes SD to Sa.So this way Ju can give its result in its first sector. Ju is strong in 2nd, 5th and 12th house. Next following antara will be that of Sa who is LoE and strong in WS with 15 points. But saturn is weak for 2nd and 5th house matter in WS.Sa is LoE . Now my confusion is how to choose/select between Ju and Sa antara ? Both the planets may give event in its first sector. Ju and Sa both are in 7th house alongwith Su. This also may happen that both the planets may pass over to its next antara to Me. Me is LoD. Me is weak in 5th but strong in 2nd, 7th and 12th house. Hope you all will analyse and give suitable selection of antara planets with concrete reason. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ramesh, I briefly looked at the chart and I also got Ju delay same as you. My question to you and Ash why did you guys not pick Ra/Ra? Thanks Bala Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ash,Bala, Satish and Sindhu, Thanks for help. All of you are telling Sa antara. You may be correct also. But my thought is different from you based on the following reasons. Please comment on my thought. KAS rules state that if married life is unhappy then it takes in the antara of planets who has lowest point in WS or in the antara of 6th lord. In this chart ,under 100 point scale the native scores only 20 points.So very less point. Su to Ve distance is > 43 and Ve is influenced by Sa, Ma and Ra.Therefore NK of marriage is totally spoiled. Ma is FK who occupy 6th house and weak in WS. Two malefic planets Su and Sa are present in her 7th house. I do not consider Su as 6th lord but natural behaviour of Su is kroor/ So based on these parameters, " Can we not say that married life is going to be in disharmony ? " Bala ! Your assumption is correct. Ra is SD to Mo and Sa and it is more like Mo so Ra antara is also compatible to give the event of marriage.This antara period ends on 18 Jul 2007.So there may not be chances for Ra. But my question/doubt is " since the chart indicates disharmony in the married life, the event should take place in the antara of planet with less points. " If it is so then why marriage not should be in the antara of Ju ? Though the chart is showing blessings, it means the marriage may take place in first sector and there may not be the break in marriage. What you have to say ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra bala sosale <bsosale wrote: Dear Ramesh, I briefly looked at the chart and I also got Ju delay same as you. My question to you and Ash why did you guys not pick Ra/Ra? Thanks Bala Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Bala, Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is taking part in bestowing the blessing and at the same time its with Sun in rasi and navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. So there is a blessing however it has been weakened. So here this blessing might protect the native but might not be very effective in reducing the delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. Now lets see the status wise 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into black hole 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it can't be treated as 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will cause stress or say reduce the result of 7th house) 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt badly, its 45 deg away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to rectify all the above in transit and then give the result. So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord atleast 4 times. So say after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over natal Me in 8th house so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th house so it will aspect 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th house and when it comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 times, and then when it comes to 1st house so 4th time. So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and its eager to give result, so it will come forward and give result and mostly in 1st sector. So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt more, the delay of Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to rectify all these problems. Hope this gives all some further insight or leads. Please take this what I have said as guidance and apply it in many charts and check for yourself. The above is my understanding based on some discussions with Krushanji so here I am applying the same. Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was spoilt, I had alluded to this point. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , bala sosale <bsosale wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also got Ju delay same as you. > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys not pick Ra/Ra? > > Thanks > Bala > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ash and Bala, Thanks for giving nice explanation. My confusion also erased after reading your explanation. I do not understand why my two postings did not reflect over this forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th lord four times to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was when Ju transits over 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th house.Will this transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? Then he transit over 8th house means transiting over 7th lord which shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after transiting over 11th house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house at 5 deg 49 min then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes place on 13 Jan 2010. At this time native was passing through Sa antara first sector. It means native shall marry during this first sector or it will be passed over to second sector. Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or over lagna. Because when you consider its first hit 8th house then the period will be stretched further. If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is shortened. Your clarification is essential. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Bala, > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is taking part in > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its with Sun in rasi and > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. So there is a > blessing however it has been weakened. So here this blessing might > protect the native but might not be very effective in reducing the > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > Now lets see the status wise > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into black hole > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it can't be treated as > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will cause stress or say > reduce the result of 7th house) > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt badly, its 45 deg > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to rectify all the above > in transit and then give the result. > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord atleast 4 times. So say > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over natal Me in 8th house > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th house so it will aspect > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th house and when it > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 times, and then when it > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and its eager to give > result, so it will come forward and give result and mostly in 1st sector. > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt more, the delay of > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to rectify all these problems. > > Hope this gives all some further insight or leads. Please take this > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many charts and check for > yourself. > > The above is my understanding based on some discussions with Krushanji > so here I am applying the same. > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was spoilt, I had alluded > to this point. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , bala sosale > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also got Ju delay same as you. > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > Thanks > > Bala > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ramesh, I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. Now if there are any more problems in the chart then take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as guideline eh and check many charts. So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear Ash and Bala, Thanks for giving nice explanation. My confusion also erased after reading your explanation. I do not understand why my two postings did not reflect over this forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th lord four times to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was when Ju transits over 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th house.Will this transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? Then he transit over 8th house means transiting over 7th lord which shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after transiting over 11th house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house at 5 deg 49 min then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes place on 13 Jan 2010. At this time native was passing through Sa antara first sector. It means native shall marry during this first sector or it will be passed over to second sector. Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or over lagna. Because when you consider its first hit 8th house then the period will be stretched further. If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is shortened. Your clarification is essential. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Bala, > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is taking part in > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its with Sun in rasi and > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. So there is a > blessing however it has been weakened. So here this blessing might > protect the native but might not be very effective in reducing the > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > Now lets see the status wise > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into black hole > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it can't be treated as > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will cause stress or say > reduce the result of 7th house) > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt badly, its 45 deg > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa aspects luminary. > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to rectify all the above > in transit and then give the result. > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord atleast 4 times. So say > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over natal Me in 8th house > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th house so it will aspect > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th house and when it > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 times, and then when it > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and its eager to give > result, so it will come forward and give result and mostly in 1st sector. > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt more, the delay of > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to rectify all these problems. > > Hope this gives all some further insight or leads. Please take this > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many charts and check for > yourself. > > The above is my understanding based on some discussions with Krushanji > so here I am applying the same. > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was spoilt, I had alluded > to this point. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , bala sosale > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also got Ju delay same as you. > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > Thanks > > Bala > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ash, Thanks for the explanation by which more things got clearer.(). In that chart Rahu is more like Sa right.. why not Ra/Ra?. I do not have that chart in front of me. Regards Bala Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Bala, If Jupiter causes delay then delay will be over when Sa antra starts and Rahu is much earlier or say inside the delay period and so is Jupiter, if I take Ju to aspect 7th house or 7th lord 4 times. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , bala sosale <bsosale wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Thanks for the explanation by which more things got clearer.(). > > In that chart Rahu is more like Sa right.. why not Ra/Ra?. I do not have that chart > in front of me. > > Regards > Bala > > > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ash, I can understand the explanation of Ju having to overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 times before native can expect the event.There is no shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the same method described of jupiter touching the key points in the chart for the same number as afflictions when there is saturn delay as well? Thanks Satish --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > guideline eh and check many charts. > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 > wrote: Dear Ash and > Bala, > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > My confusion also erased after reading your > explanation. > I do not understand why my two postings did not > reflect over this > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > lord four times > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > when Ju transits over > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > house.Will this > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > over 7th lord which > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > transiting over 11th > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > at 5 deg 49 min > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > place on 13 Jan 2010. > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > first sector. > It means native shall marry during this first > sector or it will be > passed over to second sector. > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > over lagna. > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > then the period > will be stretched further. > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > shortened. > Your clarification is essential. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > , > " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73 wrote: > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > taking part in > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > with Sun in rasi and > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > So there is a > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > this blessing might > > protect the native but might not be very > effective in reducing the > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > black hole > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > can't be treated > as > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > cause stress or say > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > badly, its 45 deg > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > aspects luminary. > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > rectify all the > above > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > atleast 4 times. So say > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > natal Me in 8th > house > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > house so it will > aspect > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > house and when it > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > times, and then when > it > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > its eager to give > > result, so it will come forward and give result > and mostly in 1st > sector. > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > more, the delay of > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > rectify all these > problems. > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > leads. Please take this > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > charts and check > for > > yourself. > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > discussions with > Krushanji > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > spoilt, I had > alluded > > to this point. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > , > bala sosale > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > got Ju delay same > as you. > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > Unlimited. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ______________________________\ ____ Never miss an email again! 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Satish, When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my prev mails... Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Hope its clear, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > times before native can expect the event.There is no > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > same method described of jupiter touching the key > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > when there is saturn delay as well? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- Ash <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Ramesh, > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002 > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > Bala, > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > explanation. > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > reflect over this > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > lord four times > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > when Ju transits over > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > house.Will this > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > over 7th lord which > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > transiting over 11th > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > at 5 deg 49 min > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > first sector. > > It means native shall marry during this first > > sector or it will be > > passed over to second sector. > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > over lagna. > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > then the period > > will be stretched further. > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > shortened. > > Your clarification is essential. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > taking part in > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > with Sun in rasi and > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > So there is a > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > this blessing might > > > protect the native but might not be very > > effective in reducing the > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > black hole > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > can't be treated > > as > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > cause stress or say > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > badly, its 45 deg > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > aspects luminary. > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > rectify all the > > above > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > natal Me in 8th > > house > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > house so it will > > aspect > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > house and when it > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > times, and then when > > it > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > its eager to give > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > and mostly in 1st > > sector. > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > more, the delay of > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > rectify all these > > problems. > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > leads. Please take this > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > charts and check > > for > > > yourself. > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > discussions with > > Krushanji > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > spoilt, I had > > alluded > > > to this point. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > bala sosale > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > got Ju delay same > > as you. > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Never miss an email again! > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Ashji, i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came to know new concepts here. thanks very much. if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that case what would happen ? do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the blessing in the chart ? say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? thanks/regards harjeet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > prev mails... > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > Hope its clear, > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > Thanks > > > > Satish > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > Bala, > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > explanation. > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > reflect over this > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > lord four times > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > when Ju transits over > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > house.Will this > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > over 7th lord which > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > transiting over 11th > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > first sector. > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > sector or it will be > > > passed over to second sector. > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > over lagna. > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > then the period > > > will be stretched further. > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > shortened. > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > , > > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > taking part in > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > So there is a > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > this blessing might > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > effective in reducing the > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > black hole > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > can't be treated > > > as > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > cause stress or say > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > aspects luminary. > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > rectify all the > > > above > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > natal Me in 8th > > > house > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > house so it will > > > aspect > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > house and when it > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > times, and then when > > > it > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > its eager to give > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > and mostly in 1st > > > sector. > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > more, the delay of > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > rectify all these > > > problems. > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > leads. Please take this > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > charts and check > > > for > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > discussions with > > > Krushanji > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > spoilt, I had > > > alluded > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > bala sosale > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > got Ju delay same > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > Never miss an email again! > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
