Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Harjeet, I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we can then study similar thing. If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has changed so the WS will also change etc. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Ashji, > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > case what would happen ? > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > blessing in the chart ? > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > prev mails... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > Hope its clear, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > Bala, > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > explanation. > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > reflect over this > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > lord four times > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > house.Will this > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > first sector. > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > sector or it will be > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > over lagna. > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > then the period > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > shortened. > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > , > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > taking part in > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > So there is a > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > this blessing might > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > black hole > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > can't be treated > > > > as > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > rectify all the > > > > above > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > house > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > house so it will > > > > aspect > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > house and when it > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > times, and then when > > > > it > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > its eager to give > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > rectify all these > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > charts and check > > > > for > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > discussions with > > > > Krushanji > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > alluded > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > bala sosale > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > > > Never miss an email again! > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 5, 2007 Dear Ash and all, So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th lord after finishing the Ju delay. The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. Is my conception hold correct ? Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Harjeet, I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we can then study similar thing. If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has changed so the WS will also change etc. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Ashji, > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > case what would happen ? > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > blessing in the chart ? > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > prev mails... > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > Hope its clear, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > Bala, > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > explanation. > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > reflect over this > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > lord four times > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > house.Will this > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > first sector. > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > sector or it will be > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > over lagna. > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > then the period > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > shortened. > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > , > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > taking part in > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > So there is a > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > this blessing might > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > black hole > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > can't be treated > > > > as > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > rectify all the > > > > above > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > house > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > house so it will > > > > aspect > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > house and when it > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > times, and then when > > > > it > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > its eager to give > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > rectify all these > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > charts and check > > > > for > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > discussions with > > > > Krushanji > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > alluded > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > bala sosale > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > Never miss an email again! > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Ash, I think what Harjeet is asking is Is this chart a special case to see Jupiter transit to remove obstacles in chart, because it is Jupiter that is involved in blessing (5:9) in the chrat. OR Should we use Jupiter as unqulified remover of afflictins in the chart in transit as the benevolent planet. What happens if budh gets involved in blessing should we use Budh transit? Or Is this a special characterstic assigned to Jupiter as the most benefic planet to remove afflictions. Thanks Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some > chart come and we > can then study similar thing. > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that > everything has > changed so the WS will also change etc. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > > > Ashji, > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful > explanation and came > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the > blessing... in that > > case what would happen ? > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other > planets which form the > > blessing in the chart ? > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then > what ? > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only > Ju causes delay then > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is > what we take. > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there > status of chart is spoilt, > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will > enhance the > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my > understanding in my > > > prev mails... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having > to > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the > chart 4 > > > > times before native can expect the event.There > is no > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years > for guru > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not > clear to > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and > jupiter > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and > then add a > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use > the > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the > key > > > > points in the chart for the same number as > afflictions > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. > So delay > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju > did its 2 > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over > natal Me > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when > it came > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so > 2nd > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th > house > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its > 9th > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came > to 0 deg > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the > 4th hit. > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the > chart then > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, > use it as > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just > starts I > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of > me), > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the > result. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: Dear > Ash and > > > > > Bala, > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > explanation. > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did > not > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my > Inbox. > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th > house or 7th > > > > > lord four times > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit > was > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits > over 7th > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means > transiting > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit > after > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th > house > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon > takes > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa > antara > > > > > first sector. > > > > > It means native shall marry during this > first > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th > house or > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th > house > > > > > then the period > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then > period is > > > > > shortened. > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > --- In > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and > itself is > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same > time its > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as > well. > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. > So here > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Need Mail bonding? 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Satish and Harjeet My answers in CAPS. , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > I think what Harjeet is asking is > > Is this chart a special case to see Jupiter transit to > remove obstacles in chart, because it is Jupiter that > is involved in blessing (5:9) in the chrat. ASH : NO, THE PROCEDURE I HAVE GIVEN IS TO COMPUTE DELAY CAUSED BY JUPITER ONLY. IT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH BLESSING. SO IN ANY CHART IF JU IS DELAY CAUSING PLANET THEN TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH DELAY, WE CAN USE THAT APPROACH. > > OR > > Should we use Jupiter as unqulified remover of > afflictins in the chart in transit as the benevolent > planet. ASH : THAT IS AS PER THE NATURAL QUALITY OF JUPITER. SAY EVEN IF JUPITER IS 6TH LORD, AND IF IT ASPECTS SATURN AND JU IS NOT IN SIGN OR NAK OF JU OR IN LIBRA OR CONJOINING SA THEN STILL IT WILL REDUCE THE DELAY OF SATURN. SO THIS IS AS PER ITS NATURAL PROPERTY. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND OUR LAW THAT IF JU IS 6TH LORD AND ITS DELAY CAUSING MEANS ITS ASPECTING 2ND AND 7TH LORD OR HOUSE AND LORD MEANS SUCH A JU MIGHT CAUSE SEPARATION OR DIVORCE DURING ITS ANTRA. SO ALL THINGS TO BE READ ACCORDINGLY. > > What happens if budh gets involved in blessing should > we use Budh transit? Or Is this a special > characterstic assigned to Jupiter as the most benefic > planet to remove afflictions. ASH: JUPITER IS MOST BENEFIC PLANET AS PER THE FACT THAT IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO MAKE MOST BENEFIC YOGS WITH OTHER PLANETS OR LAGNA MEANS MAHARISHI HAS ALLOCATED JUPITER 56 BINDUS, HOWEVER THAT BEING SAID, JUPITER AS 6TH LORD IS MOST MOST MALEFIC PLANET. SUCH A GURU MIGHT DESTROY OR DEVOID THE PERSON REPRESENTED BY THE HOUSE IT ASPECTS. PRABHU RAM'S CHART, JU AS 6TH LORD AND IN LAGNA WITH MORE BINDUS, ASPECTED 9TH, 7TH AND 5TH AND IT DEVOID THE HAPPINESS OF THAT, FATHER DIED WHEN HE WAS SENT TO VANVAS ASPECT ON 9TH HOUSE, SITA GOT ABDUCTED BY RAVAN SO ASPECT OF 7TH HOUSE AND HIS CHILDREN ALSO WERE AWAY SO ASPECT ON 5TH HOUSE. YES, AS PER NATURAL PROPERTY YOU CAN SAY IN GENERAL THAT JUPITER IS BENEFIC, BUT FUNCTIONALLY IT CAN BE WORST AND CAN GIVE THE WORST RESULT IN ITS ANTRA. JUPITER IS A VERY DICEY PLANET, YOU HAVE TO STUDY IT CLOSELY. > > Thanks > > Satish CHEERS !!! ASH -> http://www.ashtro.ca > --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > > Dear Harjeet, > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some > > chart come and we > > can then study similar thing. > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that > > everything has > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > > " harjeet bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashji, > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful > > explanation and came > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the > > blessing... in that > > > case what would happen ? > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other > > planets which form the > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then > > what ? > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , > > " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only > > Ju causes delay then > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is > > what we take. > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there > > status of chart is spoilt, > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will > > enhance the > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my > > understanding in my > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , > > SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having > > to > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the > > chart 4 > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There > > is no > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years > > for guru > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not > > clear to > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and > > jupiter > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and > > then add a > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use > > the > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the > > key > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as > > afflictions > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. > > So delay > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju > > did its 2 > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over > > natal Me > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when > > it came > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so > > 2nd > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th > > house > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its > > 9th > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came > > to 0 deg > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the > > 4th hit. > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the > > chart then > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, > > use it as > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just > > starts I > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of > > me), > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the > > result. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: Dear > > Ash and > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did > > not > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my > > Inbox. > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th > > house or 7th > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit > > was > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits > > over 7th > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means > > transiting > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit > > after > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th > > house > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon > > takes > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa > > antara > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this > > first > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th > > house or > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th > > house > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then > > period is > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and > > itself is > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same > > time its > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as > > well. > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. > > So here > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the > > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396546091 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Ramesh, If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I have given. It need not only be 4 times. Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, then delay would be over. I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years all problems in marriage are nullified. So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year onwards all delay will be rectified. So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are going by exact. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th lord after finishing the Ju delay. > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > Is my conception hold correct ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > can then study similar thing. > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > changed so the WS will also change etc. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Ashji, > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > case what would happen ? > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > blessing in the chart ? > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > prev mails... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > Bala, > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > explanation. > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > lord four times > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > first sector. > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > then the period > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > shortened. > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > black hole > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > as > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > above > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > house > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > house so it will > > > > > aspect > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > it > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > charts and check > > > > > for > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > discussions with > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > alluded > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Dear ASH, Ramesh ji and all members, We got a long discusion while interpreting this unique chart, and some beautiful explanation by ASH too,We come to know by this that even blessings can be influenced by malefics or may suffer sm delay. I want to know what wld happen if in the blessings,if 6th lord is involved in blessings like SUN in this chart?.What wld happen to the blessings? And can blessings be spoiled too due to 6th lord? Regards Anup SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: Dear Ash, I think what Harjeet is asking is Is this chart a special case to see Jupiter transit to remove obstacles in chart, because it is Jupiter that is involved in blessing (5:9) in the chrat. OR Should we use Jupiter as unqulified remover of afflictins in the chart in transit as the benevolent planet. What happens if budh gets involved in blessing should we use Budh transit? Or Is this a special characterstic assigned to Jupiter as the most benefic planet to remove afflictions. Thanks Satish --- ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some > chart come and we > can then study similar thing. > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that > everything has > changed so the WS will also change etc. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , > " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > > > Ashji, > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful > explanation and came > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the > blessing... in that > > case what would happen ? > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other > planets which form the > > blessing in the chart ? > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then > what ? > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , > " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only > Ju causes delay then > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is > what we take. > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there > status of chart is spoilt, > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will > enhance the > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my > understanding in my > > > prev mails... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , > SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having > to > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the > chart 4 > > > > times before native can expect the event.There > is no > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years > for guru > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not > clear to > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and > jupiter > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and > then add a > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use > the > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the > key > > > > points in the chart for the same number as > afflictions > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. > So delay > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju > did its 2 > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over > natal Me > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when > it came > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so > 2nd > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th > house > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its > 9th > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came > to 0 deg > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the > 4th hit. > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the > chart then > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, > use it as > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just > starts I > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of > me), > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the > result. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: Dear > Ash and > > > > > Bala, > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > explanation. > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did > not > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my > Inbox. > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th > house or 7th > > > > > lord four times > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit > was > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits > over 7th > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means > transiting > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit > after > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th > house > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon > takes > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa > antara > > > > > first sector. > > > > > It means native shall marry during this > first > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th > house or > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th > house > > > > > then the period > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then > period is > > > > > shortened. > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > --- In > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and > itself is > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same > time its > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as > well. > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. > So here > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the > delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > === message truncated === ________ Need Mail bonding? 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Sir, a) when you mean it would rectify x. no of problems, it is with respect to giving the event. ? b) still irrespective of that the quality wont be as per to the mark even after 40 years ? as the chart itself has so many blemishes ? i have seen a case marriage happened after 40 years and still the guy has problems in his married life. unfortunately i dont have his birth time/date/year... or i have seen couple even after 40 they still have seperation... thanking you harjeet , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, > then delay would be over. > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are > going by exact. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > > Is my conception hold correct ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > > can then study similar thing. > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashji, > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > > case what would happen ? > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is > spoilt, > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > , > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > > black hole > > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > > as > > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > > above > > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > > house so it will > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > > it > > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > > charts and check > > > > > > for > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > > discussions with > > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > > alluded > > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Dear Harjeet, Here I am talking of calculating delay and not about quality of marital life. These are 2 different things. WS is most important too. lagna and 7th lord from sun and moon and venus and mars and their 7th, lagna and 7th difference in SAV etc etc etc, so one has to study all things together. Here I am just giving you some idea on the approach. I hope its clear. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , " harjeet bakshi " <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > > Sir, > a) when you mean it would rectify x. no of problems, it is with > respect to giving the event. ? > b) still irrespective of that the quality wont be as per to the mark > even after 40 years ? as the chart itself has so many blemishes ? > i have seen a case marriage happened after 40 years and still the guy > has problems in his married life. unfortunately i dont have his birth > time/date/year... > or i have seen couple even after 40 they still have seperation... > thanking you > harjeet > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I > > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything > > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd > > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it > > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter > > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for > > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, > > then delay would be over. > > > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years > > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is > > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 > > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of > > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year > > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are > > going by exact. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju > > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with > > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of > > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th > > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > > > Is my conception hold correct ? > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > > > can then study similar thing. > > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ashji, > > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and > came > > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > > > case what would happen ? > > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay > then > > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is > > spoilt, > > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding > in my > > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > > > black hole > > > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > > > house so it will > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > > > charts and check > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > > > discussions with > > > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > > > alluded > > > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 6, 2007 Dear lists, Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. 7th lord in 6th house. 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. LoA in 6th house. LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. LoD and LoE both are in black hole. Please try for knowledge and experience. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I have given. It need not only be 4 times. Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, then delay would be over. I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years all problems in marriage are nullified. So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year onwards all delay will be rectified. So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are going by exact. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th lord after finishing the Ju delay. > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > Is my conception hold correct ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > can then study similar thing. > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > changed so the WS will also change etc. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Ashji, > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > case what would happen ? > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > blessing in the chart ? > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > prev mails... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > Bala, > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > explanation. > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > lord four times > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > first sector. > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > then the period > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > shortened. > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > black hole > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > as > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > above > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > house > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > house so it will > > > > > aspect > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > it > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > charts and check > > > > > for > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > discussions with > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > alluded > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Ramesh ji and all members, Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right atleast i am trying though, 1 Saturn aspects house C 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house 4 5th lord in 6th house 5 FK in 6th house 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA 8 blessings in navasa 9 NK is 6th lord itself. As such blessings influenced by all these points, and how many points have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay though there. looking above all venus being 6th lord and having less than 12 points is out. Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also ruled out also till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its prior to think also, considering delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself though but Rahu antra is there before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and MERCURY, which are very eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th house.So i will go for KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th july 2003 Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. Regards anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear lists, Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. 7th lord in 6th house. 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. LoA in 6th house. LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. LoD and LoE both are in black hole. Please try for knowledge and experience. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I have given. It need not only be 4 times. Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, then delay would be over. I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years all problems in marriage are nullified. So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year onwards all delay will be rectified. So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are going by exact. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th lord after finishing the Ju delay. > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > Is my conception hold correct ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > can then study similar thing. > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > changed so the WS will also change etc. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Ashji, > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > case what would happen ? > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > blessing in the chart ? > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > prev mails... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > Bala, > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > explanation. > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > lord four times > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > first sector. > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > then the period > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > shortened. > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > black hole > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > as > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > above > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > house > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > house so it will > > > > > aspect > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > it > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > charts and check > > > > > for > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > discussions with > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > alluded > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Anup, Please do not suffix my name with Ji. I have not reached up to that level. Your reasoning is very nice.One thing I like to point it out. I may be wrong also.Senior members may correct me if I am wrong. Su is not considered as a blemish of 6th house/ lord.Moreover Su is LoD who never gives malefic result.Su is also strong in WS. Why not Su will give its result ? Su is LoD, strong in WS with 16 points. It is powerful in 2nd, 5th and 12th house also. Su is also SD to Ma (LoD) and Me(LoA). Ju is LoC ( PHALIT STHAAN) who aspects all these three planets with neutral sight. I think Su antara will be eager to give event. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra x y <dalh_1 wrote: Dear Ramesh ji and all members, Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right atleast i am trying though, 1 Saturn aspects house C 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house 4 5th lord in 6th house 5 FK in 6th house 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA 8 blessings in navasa 9 NK is 6th lord itself. As such blessings influenced by all these points, and how many points have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay though there. looking above all venus being 6th lord and having less than 12 points is out. Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also ruled out also till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its prior to think also, considering delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself though but Rahu antra is there before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and MERCURY, which are very eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th house.So i will go for KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th july 2003 Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. Regards anup ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: Dear lists, Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. 7th lord in 6th house. 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. LoA in 6th house. LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. LoD and LoE both are in black hole. Please try for knowledge and experience. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: Dear Ramesh, If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I have given. It need not only be 4 times. Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, then delay would be over. I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years all problems in marriage are nullified. So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year onwards all delay will be rectified. So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are going by exact. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Ash and all, > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th lord after finishing the Ju delay. > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > Is my conception hold correct ? > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Harjeet, > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > can then study similar thing. > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > changed so the WS will also change etc. > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , " harjeet bakshi " > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > Ashji, > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > case what would happen ? > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > blessing in the chart ? > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > thanks/regards > > harjeet > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is spoilt, > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > prev mails... > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > Bala, > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > explanation. > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > lord four times > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > first sector. > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > then the period > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > shortened. > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > , > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > black hole > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > as > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > above > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > house > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > house so it will > > > > > aspect > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > it > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > charts and check > > > > > for > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > discussions with > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > alluded > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Ramesh, there are 3 planets in 6th house here... loA,loB and loD. exchange between 5th and 6th house ... so 6th house would be weakened. lord of 6th venus is although with 7 points... in 5th aspecting 11th too with -7 points.. problems relating to 5th house? or more chances of girl child ? all lords and 7th from there.. (asc, sun and moon) except lord of venus and 7th from there are in 2:12. delay by jupiter. blessings there in navamsa and rasi. i would go for sun antra in ke md second sector. thanks/regards harjeet , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > Please do not suffix my name with Ji. I have not reached up to that level. > Your reasoning is very nice.One thing I like to point it out. I may be wrong also.Senior members may correct me if I am wrong. > Su is not considered as a blemish of 6th house/ lord.Moreover Su is LoD who never gives malefic result.Su is also strong in WS. > Why not Su will give its result ? > Su is LoD, strong in WS with 16 points. It is powerful in 2nd, 5th and 12th house also. > Su is also SD to Ma (LoD) and Me(LoA). Ju is LoC ( PHALIT STHAAN) who aspects all these three planets with neutral sight. > I think Su antara will be eager to give event. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > x y <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh ji and all members, > > Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right > atleast i am trying though, > > 1 Saturn aspects house C > 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD > 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house > 4 5th lord in 6th house > 5 FK in 6th house > 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. > 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA > 8 blessings in navasa > 9 NK is 6th lord itself. > > As such blessings influenced by all these points, and how many points > have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay though there. > looking above all venus being 6th lord and having less than 12 points is out. > Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out > Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also ruled out also > till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its prior to think also, considering > delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself though but Rahu antra is there > before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and MERCURY, which are very > eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th house.So i will go for > KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th july 2003 > Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. > Regards > > anup > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear lists, > Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? > Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. > His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. > Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) > 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. > 7th lord in 6th house. > 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. > No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. > LoA in 6th house. > LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. > LoD and LoE both are in black hole. > Please try for knowledge and experience. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, > then delay would be over. > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are > going by exact. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > > Is my conception hold correct ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > > can then study similar thing. > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashji, > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > > case what would happen ? > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is > spoilt, > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > , > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > > black hole > > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > > as > > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > > above > > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > > house so it will > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > > it > > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > > charts and check > > > > > > for > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > > discussions with > > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > > alluded > > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Dear all, I am of the opinion that sun antra possibly wnt give marriage coz, if blessing can be affected by few reasons, which nullify all the delay.Then SUN , though in 6th house and LOD should be affected also for giving results as such, say 10% or so. Lets wait for seniors comments, though i m wrong:) Regards Anup harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Ramesh, there are 3 planets in 6th house here... loA,loB and loD. exchange between 5th and 6th house ... so 6th house would be weakened. lord of 6th venus is although with 7 points... in 5th aspecting 11th too with -7 points.. problems relating to 5th house? or more chances of girl child ? all lords and 7th from there.. (asc, sun and moon) except lord of venus and 7th from there are in 2:12. delay by jupiter. blessings there in navamsa and rasi. i would go for sun antra in ke md second sector. thanks/regards harjeet , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > Please do not suffix my name with Ji. I have not reached up to that level. > Your reasoning is very nice.One thing I like to point it out. I may be wrong also.Senior members may correct me if I am wrong. > Su is not considered as a blemish of 6th house/ lord.Moreover Su is LoD who never gives malefic result.Su is also strong in WS. > Why not Su will give its result ? > Su is LoD, strong in WS with 16 points. It is powerful in 2nd, 5th and 12th house also. > Su is also SD to Ma (LoD) and Me(LoA). Ju is LoC ( PHALIT STHAAN) who aspects all these three planets with neutral sight. > I think Su antara will be eager to give event. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > x y <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh ji and all members, > > Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right > atleast i am trying though, > > 1 Saturn aspects house C > 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD > 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house > 4 5th lord in 6th house > 5 FK in 6th house > 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. > 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA > 8 blessings in navasa > 9 NK is 6th lord itself. > > As such blessings influenced by all these points, and how many points > have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay though there. > looking above all venus being 6th lord and having less than 12 points is out. > Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out > Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also ruled out also > till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its prior to think also, considering > delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself though but Rahu antra is there > before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and MERCURY, which are very > eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th house.So i will go for > KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th july 2003 > Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. > Regards > > anup > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear lists, > Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? > Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. > His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. > Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) > 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. > 7th lord in 6th house. > 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. > No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. > LoA in 6th house. > LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. > LoD and LoE both are in black hole. > Please try for knowledge and experience. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, > then delay would be over. > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are > going by exact. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > > Is my conception hold correct ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > > can then study similar thing. > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashji, > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > > case what would happen ? > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is > spoilt, > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > , > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > > black hole > > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > > as > > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > > above > > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > > house so it will > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > > it > > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > > charts and check > > > > > > for > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > > discussions with > > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > > alluded > > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Dear all, I also think that Sun antra cannot give the result. I think Rahu antra in ketu mahadasha will give the result. From the pdf, I think first sector of Rahu - Jun 2002 - OCt 2002, and sun's transit from Mercury and Jupiter. I would love to hear the results too! Sindhu --- x y <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am of the opinion that sun > antra possibly wnt give marriage coz, > if blessing can be affected by > few reasons, which nullify > all the delay.Then SUN , though > in 6th house and LOD > should be affected also for > giving results as such, say > 10% or so. > Lets wait for seniors > comments, though i m wrong:) > Regards > > Anup > > > > > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > there are 3 planets in 6th house here... loA,loB and > loD. > exchange between 5th and 6th house ... so 6th house > would be weakened. > lord of 6th venus is although with 7 points... in > 5th aspecting 11th > too with -7 points.. > problems relating to 5th house? or more chances of > girl child ? > all lords and 7th from there.. (asc, sun and moon) > except lord of > venus and 7th from there are in 2:12. > delay by jupiter. > blessings there in navamsa and rasi. > i would go for sun antra in ke md second sector. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , > ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > > > Dear Anup, > > Please do not suffix my name with Ji. I have not > reached up to > that level. > > Your reasoning is very nice.One thing I like to > point it out. I > may be wrong also.Senior members may correct me if I > am wrong. > > Su is not considered as a blemish of 6th house/ > lord.Moreover Su > is LoD who never gives malefic result.Su is also > strong in WS. > > Why not Su will give its result ? > > Su is LoD, strong in WS with 16 points. It is > powerful in 2nd, 5th > and 12th house also. > > Su is also SD to Ma (LoD) and Me(LoA). Ju is LoC ( > PHALIT STHAAN) > who aspects all these three planets with neutral > sight. > > I think Su antara will be eager to give event. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > x y <dalh_1 wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh ji and all members, > > > > Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right > > atleast i am trying though, > > > > 1 Saturn aspects house C > > 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD > > 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house > > 4 5th lord in 6th house > > 5 FK in 6th house > > 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. > > 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA > > 8 blessings in navasa > > 9 NK is 6th lord itself. > > > > As such blessings influenced by all these points, > and how many points > > have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay > though there. > > looking above all venus being 6th lord and having > less than 12 > points is out. > > Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out > > Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also > ruled out also > > till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its > prior to think > also, considering > > delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself > though but Rahu antra > is there > > before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and > MERCURY, which are very > > eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th > house.So i will go for > > KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th > july 2003 > > Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. > > Regards > > > > anup > > > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear lists, > > Here is one more chart of a male native which is > somewhat similar to > previous chart. Can you please find out his date of > marriage ? > > Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and > POB 28 N 39, 77 E > 13 India. > > His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. > > Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve > distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) > > 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. > > 7th lord in 6th house. > > 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 > combinations. > > No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. > > LoA in 6th house. > > LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV > chart. > > LoD and LoE both are in black hole. > > Please try for knowledge and experience. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow > the approach that I > > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th > house, and everything > > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means > say its aspecting 2nd > > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify > 2 problems so it > > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, > status wise so Jupiter > > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the > calculation so for > > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 > problems or issues, > > then delay would be over. > > > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere > that after 40 years > > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay > causing and Jupiter is > > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so > there will be 27.5 > > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years > means 1 cycle of > > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that > time say 40th year > > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 > problems. So here we are > > going by exact. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , > ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > > So we have learnt from this chart that when > there is delay of Ju > > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is > somehow associated with > > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve > distance and weakness of > > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 > times to 7th house/7th > > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > > The event will take place in the antara of > planet running that time. > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase./promo-generic-14795097 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2007 Dear Anup, Satish, Sindhu and Harjeet. The 7th from lagna,Su and Mo are all in 2:12 combination indicating the quality of married life.This indicated the disharmony in married life. Now for timing of event we should look at the power of planets in WS. KAS rules say that if the married life is in disharmony, the event takes place in the lowest point or in the sub of 6th lord or in the sub of planets located in 6th house. Most of you have selected Ra antara. Ra is SD to Ma and Ma is LoD located in 6th house. This way you may be correct but before Ra there is Su, Mo , Ma antaras. Su and Ma is in 6th house too. Mo is weak in WS and located in house B with 5 strong bindus.Mo also can furnish the event of 7th house. Here Ju the delay causing planet is influencing Sa ( house A ), Su, Mo, Ma and Me. Ju can not moderate the delay as it is in Aq sign. Ju is in 12th from its own house so Ju antara can not give the event. The event might take place when Ju enters in 7th house after completing its 2 rounds of the chart. This happens on 4 Jan 1998 when Sa antara in Me main was passing through. Next following Main and Antara was that of Ke-Ke. Ke is SD to Ve and Mo but more like Mo. Since Ke is in lagna I eliminated his antara. The following Ve antara is 6th lord and aspects house C, therefore I eliminated this antara also. Now the following antara of Su is execused from the blemishes of 6th house/lord and he is LoD also . Su is in 6th house and strong in WS so he should be eager to give the event. Here both the things are happening together quantum and timing of event. Therefore I selected Su antara. I may be wrong. According to your decision Ra antara comes late and before that Mo and Ma antaras are also there. And Mo and Ma both these planets can give the event before Ra. Anyhow, I too do not know the time of marriage and I am trying to find it out. No sooner I receive the date of marriage I shall let you know. Meantime we shall carry on to approach to perfect date. This way we can learn KAS accurately and positively. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: Dear Ramesh, there are 3 planets in 6th house here... loA,loB and loD. exchange between 5th and 6th house ... so 6th house would be weakened. lord of 6th venus is although with 7 points... in 5th aspecting 11th too with -7 points.. problems relating to 5th house? or more chances of girl child ? all lords and 7th from there.. (asc, sun and moon) except lord of venus and 7th from there are in 2:12. delay by jupiter. blessings there in navamsa and rasi. i would go for sun antra in ke md second sector. thanks/regards harjeet , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Anup, > Please do not suffix my name with Ji. I have not reached up to that level. > Your reasoning is very nice.One thing I like to point it out. I may be wrong also.Senior members may correct me if I am wrong. > Su is not considered as a blemish of 6th house/ lord.Moreover Su is LoD who never gives malefic result.Su is also strong in WS. > Why not Su will give its result ? > Su is LoD, strong in WS with 16 points. It is powerful in 2nd, 5th and 12th house also. > Su is also SD to Ma (LoD) and Me(LoA). Ju is LoC ( PHALIT STHAAN) who aspects all these three planets with neutral sight. > I think Su antara will be eager to give event. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > x y <dalh_1 wrote: > > Dear Ramesh ji and all members, > > Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right > atleast i am trying though, > > 1 Saturn aspects house C > 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD > 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house > 4 5th lord in 6th house > 5 FK in 6th house > 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. > 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA > 8 blessings in navasa > 9 NK is 6th lord itself. > > As such blessings influenced by all these points, and how many points > have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay though there. > looking above all venus being 6th lord and having less than 12 points is out. > Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out > Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also ruled out also > till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its prior to think also, considering > delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself though but Rahu antra is there > before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and MERCURY, which are very > eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th house.So i will go for > KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th july 2003 > Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. > Regards > > anup > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > Dear lists, > Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? > Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E 13 India. > His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. > Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) > 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. > 7th lord in 6th house. > 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. > No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. > LoA in 6th house. > LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. > LoD and LoE both are in black hole. > Please try for knowledge and experience. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > ashsam73 <ashsam73 wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, > then delay would be over. > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are > going by exact. > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > > Is my conception hold correct ? > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Harjeet, > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > > can then study similar thing. > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > Ashji, > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and came > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > > case what would happen ? > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > > thanks/regards > > > harjeet > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay then > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is > spoilt, > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding in my > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > , > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > > black hole > > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > > as > > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > > above > > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > > house so it will > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > > it > > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > > charts and check > > > > > > for > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > > discussions with > > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > > alluded > > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2007 Dear Ramesh and all, Here is my attempt. 1) No delay due to Sa 2) Delay due to Ju 3) Blessing in navamsa however the planet involved in blessing is in libra which is 6th lord of rasi so its SD to 6th lord. So that might weaken the blessing. Moon is also with Rahu about 8 degrees difference so its less than 15 degress and moon is in scoprio. This moon is disturbed. He must have control over his tounge or will make many enemies which might trouble him. 5th and 6th lords are in parivartan so that might cause problems for 5th, 6th and 11th house. Venus is also in its neecha sign in virgo in rasi and navamsa and moon is in 2nd house from sun so in krishna pax and is not strong at the same time moon is being disturbed by rahu and moon is in sco. This person has 4 sectors of venus showing more venesuan inclination. 2 sectors of Me, 2 of Ju and 1 of Ma. He might have good reasoning power. Su, Me, Ma, Mo, Ke, Sa are all linked to 6th house or 6th lord venus 12th house lord is in 6th house so it will also enhance the result of 6th house. He also might enjoy the results of 2nd 4th 6th and 12th house. He might have break in income and job in Venus antra. Coming to marriage, In my opinion, Ju will cause delay, blessing is weakened and moon is quite close to rahu so its also disturbing his mind, however this person will be an ardent lover. Ju will cause delay so about 2 rounds and there add the additional delay that it will cause to rectify the status and then overall there might be slight reduction of delay due to blessing. Ju completes 2 rounds at about 23.5 years. There after it might have to rectify the status so let me compute the hits it might need. a) 7th lord is in 6th b) 5th lord in 6th c) 12th lord in 6th d) 2nd lord is in 6th In navamsa Mars is in sign of 6th lord so its sd to venus as 6th lord so its LoB and LoE so maybe there might be more delay. However this Mars is involved in blessing so that might also help to rectify a bit of this. So atleast 4 hits i.e. if I do not consider blessings. So when Ju comes to Gemini delay will be over. So delay of about 26.7 years or so. So at that time Mon antra is running. Moon has low power in WS so it can't give. Next is mars antra who is LoE it is SD to 6th lord and in 6th house in Rasi as well and its also involved in Blessing too and it has good power for 5th and 12th house and also 12 points for 7th house. It is also LoB and LoE. Its SD to LoD and LoA as well. So it will try to give but there will be some problem. This chart also is showing more chances of love marriage or atleast 1 strong affair, so that might happen in Mars antra. Next antra is that of Rahu who is SD to Ma and Me. Again its more like Mars so similar effect so maybe this affair will continue. Next antra of Guru will give marriage, in my opinion. Guru is aspecting 2nd house and is SD to Saturn. Saturn has good power for 7th and Saturn's antra is after Jupiter so Ju will step in for Saturn. Jupiter itself has good power for 7th as well, 12th and also less power for 5th but is placed in house e for 5th as b with 4 bindus and sd to loe for 5th so again. So I would pick Jupiter antra to give marriage. I would pick 2nd sector for marriage in Jupiter antra. Ok, I am out of time. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote: > > Dear Anup, Satish, Sindhu and Harjeet. > The 7th from lagna,Su and Mo are all in 2:12 combination indicating the quality of married life.This indicated the disharmony in married life. > Now for timing of event we should look at the power of planets in WS. > KAS rules say that if the married life is in disharmony, the event takes place in the lowest point or in the sub of 6th lord or in the sub of planets located in 6th house. > Most of you have selected Ra antara. Ra is SD to Ma and Ma is LoD located in 6th house. > This way you may be correct but before Ra there is Su, Mo , Ma antaras. > Su and Ma is in 6th house too. Mo is weak in WS and located in house B with 5 strong bindus.Mo also can furnish the event of 7th house. > Here Ju the delay causing planet is influencing Sa ( house A ), Su, Mo, Ma and Me. > Ju can not moderate the delay as it is in Aq sign. Ju is in 12th from its own house so Ju antara can not give the event. > The event might take place when Ju enters in 7th house after completing its 2 rounds of the chart. This happens on 4 Jan 1998 when Sa antara in Me main was passing through. > Next following Main and Antara was that of Ke-Ke. Ke is SD to Ve and Mo but more like Mo. Since Ke is in lagna I eliminated his antara. > The following Ve antara is 6th lord and aspects house C, therefore I eliminated this antara also. > Now the following antara of Su is execused from the blemishes of 6th house/lord and he is LoD also . Su is in 6th house and strong in WS so he should be eager to give the event. > Here both the things are happening together quantum and timing of event. > Therefore I selected Su antara. I may be wrong. > According to your decision Ra antara comes late and before that Mo and Ma antaras are also there. And Mo and Ma both these planets can give the event before Ra. > Anyhow, I too do not know the time of marriage and I am trying to find it out. > No sooner I receive the date of marriage I shall let you know. > Meantime we shall carry on to approach to perfect date. > This way we can learn KAS accurately and positively. > Thanks and regards. > Ramesh Mishra > > harjeet bakshi <harjeet_bakshi wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > there are 3 planets in 6th house here... loA,loB and loD. > exchange between 5th and 6th house ... so 6th house would be weakened. > lord of 6th venus is although with 7 points... in 5th aspecting 11th > too with -7 points.. > problems relating to 5th house? or more chances of girl child ? > all lords and 7th from there.. (asc, sun and moon) except lord of > venus and 7th from there are in 2:12. > delay by jupiter. > blessings there in navamsa and rasi. > i would go for sun antra in ke md second sector. > thanks/regards > harjeet > > , ramesh mishra > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anup, > > Please do not suffix my name with Ji. I have not reached up to > that level. > > Your reasoning is very nice.One thing I like to point it out. I > may be wrong also.Senior members may correct me if I am wrong. > > Su is not considered as a blemish of 6th house/ lord.Moreover Su > is LoD who never gives malefic result.Su is also strong in WS. > > Why not Su will give its result ? > > Su is LoD, strong in WS with 16 points. It is powerful in 2nd, 5th > and 12th house also. > > Su is also SD to Ma (LoD) and Me(LoA). Ju is LoC ( PHALIT STHAAN) > who aspects all these three planets with neutral sight. > > I think Su antara will be eager to give event. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > x y <dalh_1@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ramesh ji and all members, > > > > Here is my version. no matter i am wrong or right > > atleast i am trying though, > > > > 1 Saturn aspects house C > > 2 JUP aspects 6th house and LOE and LOD > > 3 6th lord in 12th from its own house > > 4 5th lord in 6th house > > 5 FK in 6th house > > 6 6th lord venus is in 7th house in navasa. > > 7 LOD and LOE in 6th house with LOA > > 8 blessings in navasa > > 9 NK is 6th lord itself. > > > > As such blessings influenced by all these points, and how many points > > have to rectify among these 8 points,jup delay though there. > > looking above all venus being 6th lord and having less than 12 > points is out. > > Moon has only 11 pts in 7th is out > > Sun, MERCURY and MAR being in 6th house can also ruled out also > > till JUP rectify these problems by hitting but its prior to think > also, considering > > delay.Now we are left with SAT and JUP itself though but Rahu antra > is there > > before JUP and SAT. Rahu being SD to MARs and MERCURY, which are very > > eager to give result for 2nd, 7th, 12th and 5th house.So i will go for > > KETU -RAHU antra between 16th june 2002 to 5th july 2003 > > Smbdy can explain in better way if i am wrong. > > Regards > > > > anup > > > > ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > Dear lists, > > Here is one more chart of a male native which is somewhat similar to > previous chart. Can you please find out his date of marriage ? > > Birth details are DOB 18 Oct 1974, TOB 19:45 and POB 28 N 39, 77 E > 13 India. > > His lagna is 8 Ta 55 and Mo is at 11 Sc 13. > > Blessings are present in navamsa. Su to Ve distance < 43 ( 4 deg 51 min) > > 6th lord is Ve who is in 12th from its ownership. > > 7th lord in 6th house. > > 7th lord from lagna, Su and Mo are in 2:12 combinations. > > No delay by Sa but delay is caused by Ju. > > LoA in 6th house. > > LoC in 12th from its ownership.No zero in SAV chart. > > LoD and LoE both are in black hole. > > Please try for knowledge and experience. > > Thanks and regards. > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > If Jupiter is delay causing planet, then follow the approach that I > > have given. It need not only be 4 times. > > > > Say if 7th lord is in 6th and 2nd lord is in 6th house, and everything > > else is ok AND if jupiter is causing delay means say its aspecting 2nd > > and 7th lord then in that case, Ju should rectify 2 problems so it > > should hit 7th lord or 7th house 2 times. > > > > In that particular chart, there was 4 problems, status wise so Jupiter > > has to rectify those, so that is why I took the calculation so for > > jupiter to aspect 7th lord or 7th house 4 times. > > > > So after it hits if 4 times means it rectifies 4 problems or issues, > > then delay would be over. > > > > I think in VA portion this is also given somewhere that after 40 years > > all problems in marriage are nullified. > > > > So as per our calculations say if Sa is delay causing and Jupiter is > > also delay causing and assume Sa is at 0 deg so there will be 27.5 > > years of delay due to Saturn and then 12 years means 1 cycle of > > Jupiter so total is 27.5 + 12 = 39.5 so after that time say 40th year > > onwards all delay will be rectified. > > > > So when Ju does 1 cycle, it will rectify 8 problems. So here we are > > going by exact. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > , ramesh mishra > > <aarceemastro2002@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash and all, > > > So we have learnt from this chart that when there is delay of Ju > > who takes part in the blessings and this Ju is somehow associated with > > 6th lord and other factors such as su to ve distance and weakness of > > Ve then the event may take place when Ju hits 4 times to 7th house/7th > > lord after finishing the Ju delay. > > > The event will take place in the antara of planet running that time. > > > Is my conception hold correct ? > > > Thanks and regards. > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > ashsam73 <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > Dear Harjeet, > > > I have not understood what you have asked. Let some chart come and we > > > can then study similar thing. > > > If some other planet is making 5:9 it means that everything has > > > changed so the WS will also change etc. > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > , " harjeet bakshi " > > > <harjeet_bakshi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ashji, > > > > i got to read the messages today.. its wonderful explanation and > came > > > > to know new concepts here. thanks very much. > > > > if jupiter is not the planet taking part in the blessing... in that > > > > case what would happen ? > > > > do we take tranist and aspects of the other planets which form the > > > > blessing in the chart ? > > > > say if mars and sun take part in blessings... then what ? > > > > thanks/regards > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > When there is no delay due to Saturn, and only Ju causes delay > then > > > > > its 2 rounds of Ju so approximately 24 years is what we take. > > > > > > > > > > Then after its own delay is over, if there status of chart is > > spoilt, > > > > > then jupiter has to rectify those and that will enhance the > > > > > delay...... and procedure i have given as per my understanding > in my > > > > > prev mails... > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > Hope its clear, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > > > > > > > I can understand the explanation of Ju having to > > > > > > overcome 4 afflictions so has to bless the chart 4 > > > > > > times before native can expect the event.There is no > > > > > > shani delay in the chart. Why take 24 years for guru > > > > > > delay ? Any particular reason ? This is not clear to > > > > > > me. Also when charts have both saturn and jupiter > > > > > > delay we take 27 yeras or so for saturn and then add a > > > > > > few years onto it for jupiter delay. Do we use the > > > > > > same method described of jupiter touching the key > > > > > > points in the chart for the same number as afflictions > > > > > > when there is saturn delay as well? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Ash <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > I took delay of Ju will Ju came to lagna. So delay > > > > > > > of Ju according to me got over say when Ju did its 2 > > > > > > > rounds. Then after that when Ju came over natal Me > > > > > > > in 8th house it rectified 1 hit, then when it came > > > > > > > to 11th house 0 deg it aspected 7th house so 2nd > > > > > > > hit, then when it came to 5 deg XX over 12th house > > > > > > > so it aspected Natal Me in 8th house by its 9th > > > > > > > aspect so 3rd hit, and finally when it came to 0 deg > > > > > > > lagna it aspected 7th house so that was the 4th hit. > > > > > > > Now if there are any more problems in the chart then > > > > > > > take more delay. What I am telling here, use it as > > > > > > > guideline eh and check many charts. > > > > > > > So when ju comes to lagna, sa antra just starts I > > > > > > > believe (I do not have the chart in front of me), > > > > > > > and Sa is then LoE so it will give the result. > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aarceemastro2002 <aarceemastro2002@> > > > > > > > wrote: Dear Ash and > > > > > > > Bala, > > > > > > > Thanks for giving nice explanation. > > > > > > > My confusion also erased after reading your > > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > > I do not understand why my two postings did not > > > > > > > reflect over this > > > > > > > forum.I sent those two messages from my Inbox. > > > > > > > However you tell Ju has to hit the 7th house or 7th > > > > > > > lord four times > > > > > > > to overcome its weakening.And its first hit was > > > > > > > when Ju transits over > > > > > > > 8th house thus transiting over 7th lord Me. > > > > > > > But Ju delay will be over when he transits over 7th > > > > > > > house.Will this > > > > > > > transit of Ju over 7th house not be 1 hit? > > > > > > > Then he transit over 8th house means transiting > > > > > > > over 7th lord which > > > > > > > shall be considered as 2 hit.Then 3rd hit after > > > > > > > transiting over 11th > > > > > > > house and lastly when Ju transits over 12th house > > > > > > > at 5 deg 49 min > > > > > > > then 4th hit will be over.This phenomenon takes > > > > > > > place on 13 Jan 2010. > > > > > > > At this time native was passing through Sa antara > > > > > > > first sector. > > > > > > > It means native shall marry during this first > > > > > > > sector or it will be > > > > > > > passed over to second sector. > > > > > > > Now whether the 4th hit will be over 12th house or > > > > > > > over lagna. > > > > > > > Because when you consider its first hit 8th house > > > > > > > then the period > > > > > > > will be stretched further. > > > > > > > If we take the 1 hit over 7th house then period is > > > > > > > shortened. > > > > > > > Your clarification is essential. > > > > > > > Thanks and regards. > > > > > > > Ramesh Mishra > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " ashsam73 " > > > > > > > <ashsam73@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bala, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here if Jupiter is causing delay and itself is > > > > > > > taking part in > > > > > > > > bestowing the blessing and at the same time its > > > > > > > with Sun in rasi and > > > > > > > > navamsa, so its weakening the blessing as well. > > > > > > > So there is a > > > > > > > > blessing however it has been weakened. So here > > > > > > > this blessing might > > > > > > > > protect the native but might not be very > > > > > > > effective in reducing the > > > > > > > > delay or say it will slightly reduce the delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now lets see the status wise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 2nd lord is in 6th house i.e LoA has gone into > > > > > > > black hole > > > > > > > > 2) 6th lord is in 7th (here 6th lord is sun so it > > > > > > > can't be treated > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > 6th lord but still as being 12th from B it will > > > > > > > cause stress or say > > > > > > > > reduce the result of 7th house) > > > > > > > > 3) Venus the natural karak for marriage is spoilt > > > > > > > badly, its 45 deg > > > > > > > > away from Sun and its aspected by Sa and Sa > > > > > > > aspects luminary. > > > > > > > > 4) LoE, Saturn is conjoining Sun as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So now Jupiter is causing delay and will have to > > > > > > > rectify all the > > > > > > > above > > > > > > > > in transit and then give the result. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So say Ju must aspect 7th house or 7th lord > > > > > > > atleast 4 times. So say > > > > > > > > after 23.5 years or 24 years, Ju will come over > > > > > > > natal Me in 8th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > so 1 hit, then second time it will touch 11th > > > > > > > house so it will > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > 7th house so 2 times, then Ju will come to 12th > > > > > > > house and when it > > > > > > > > comes to 5 deg 49 it will aspect 7th lord so 3 > > > > > > > times, and then when > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes to 1st house so 4th time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So by that time Sa antra starts. Sa is LoE and > > > > > > > its eager to give > > > > > > > > result, so it will come forward and give result > > > > > > > and mostly in 1st > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short, if the status of the chart is spoilt > > > > > > > more, the delay of > > > > > > > > Jupiter will enhance as it will have have to > > > > > > > rectify all these > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this gives all some further insight or > > > > > > > leads. Please take this > > > > > > > > what I have said as guidance and apply it in many > > > > > > > charts and check > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is my understanding based on some > > > > > > > discussions with > > > > > > > Krushanji > > > > > > > > so here I am applying the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even some chart Ramesh gave, in which status was > > > > > > > spoilt, I had > > > > > > > alluded > > > > > > > > to this point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > bala sosale > > > > > > > > <bsosale@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ramesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I briefly looked at the chart and I also > > > > > > > got Ju delay same > > > > > > > as you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My question to you and Ash why did you guys > > > > > > > not pick Ra/Ra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > Bala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > > > > > > > Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > > > > > Let FareChase search your favorite travel > > > > > > > sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > Never miss an email again! > > > > > > Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > > > > > > http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Group, Shalini ji, Mahaluxmi ji, You all should take up this chart for your study. This chart will highlight the importance of Karak and Mool Karak (Root Karak) and this chart will also bring out the difference between Timing of Event and Quality of Event. The more you can work on this chart and the more thought you put in, the basics will get crystal clear. Good luck, Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca , hossien abdee <ahahosien wrote:>> > > > > Hello> Ash ,Anup and dear group members> > I> think some group members know me. I'm Hussein Heydari from Iran and just have> 27 years old and I'm happy that I'm one of the member of this good group. > > This> chart belongs to a native (male) with this birth data:> > 28> Janu 1955> > Birth> time: 10 pm> > Place:> Paris, France (time zone 1 East of G.M.T.)> > 2> e 20> > 48n52> > I> tried to find the marriage time for this native. This is my attempt:> > Relation:> lagna lord:7th from lagna lord > 6:8> > Lord of monn sign:7th> lord from moon sign 6:8> > Lord of sun sign: 7th> lord from sun sign > 6:8> > Then> he has had an unhappy marriage.> > Also> the distance of Venus from Sun is considerable.> > Ve> is in the Jyeshta Nakshatra> > From> above , I think he will marry in sub of sixth lord or a weakest> significator for 7th house> focus.> > I> calculated the strength of all planets for 7th house focus:> > > > > > > Planet> > > Points> > > Rank> > > > > Sa> > > 25 > > > 1 > > > > > Ju> > > 22 > > > 2 > > > > > Su> > > 16 > > > 3 > > > > > Ma> > > 15 > > > 4 > > > > > Ve> > > 12 > > > 5 > > > > > Mo> > > 11 > > > 6 > > > > > Me> > > 11 > > > 7 > > > > > > > I> searched about his marriage time and understood that he has married on 1982.> > Then> I think he has married on Ve-Ve> > From> the above table we see that Me and MO both have the same points(11) and will> give the result. But ,Me has a sight on house C(for 7th house focus)> and it can't give the result. Now we> should find the samdharmi of Me.Here Venus is in the Me's Nakshatra.> > But> Ve has 12 points for this and then it isn't suitable for unhappy marriage.> What's your idea?If I do any mistakes> please tell me.> > It is also useful to know that he has had a> divorce and Divorce date is October 2007.He has had three marriage:> > 1-1982> > 2-Marriage> October 1996> > 3-Marriage> 2 February 2008> > We> can see some divorce signs in his chart:> > 1-lagnadhipathi> and 7th from it have 6:8 relation.> > 2-Venus> is in last degrees of Jyeshta.> > 3-Distance> between sun and venues is more than 43 degrees.> > 4-Ju> has a malefic sight on 7th house.> > > > > > Best> Regards> > Hussein> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2009 Dear Hussein, Excellent analysis. It means you are getting the basics correct. I would like to see you solve more charts in the similar manner. That way you can observe the laws given by Guru ji and understand the power of that. I am holding back from writing more on your analysis and I hope that group members take this chart up for analysis. If possible, please write more data on this chart like the dates of divorce the reason for divorce, any particular traits about this natives personality, his profession and any other major events like purchase of property, death of parents if applicable, any peculiar habits of the native. The more details you can provide the more comprehensive study can be done. Thanks for bringing such an interesting chart and solving the same and also giving the dates. This will help the beginners to observe the laws given by Guru ji in action and the depth of the same and how it manifests. Please take part in discussions and enjoy your learning. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of hossien abdee Monday May 4, 2009 2:02 PM To: Subject: marriage analysis Hello Ash ,Anup and dear group members I think some group members know me. I'm Hussein Heydari from Iran and just have 27 years old and I'm happy that I'm one of the member of this good group. This chart belongs to a native (male) with this birth data: 28 Janu 1955 Birth time: 10 pm Place: Paris, France (time zone 1 East of G.M.T.) 2 e 20 48n52 I tried to find the marriage time for this native. This is my attempt: Relation: lagna lord:7th from lagna lord 6:8 Lord of monn sign:7th lord from moon sign 6:8 Lord of sun sign: 7th lord from sun sign 6:8 Then he has had an unhappy marriage. Also the distance of Venus from Sun is considerable. Ve is in the Jyeshta Nakshatra From above , I think he will marry in sub of sixth lord or a weakest significator for 7th house focus. I calculated the strength of all planets for 7th house focus: Planet Points Rank Sa 25 1 Ju 22 2 Su 16 3 Ma 15 4 Ve 12 5 Mo 11 6 Me 11 7 I searched about his marriage time and understood that he has married on 1982. Then I think he has married on Ve-Ve From the above table we see that Me and MO both have the same points(11) and will give the result. But ,Me has a sight on house C(for 7th house focus) and it can't give the result. Now we should find the samdharmi of Me.Here Venus is in the Me's Nakshatra. But Ve has 12 points for this and then it isn't suitable for unhappy marriage. What's your idea?If I do any mistakes please tell me. It is also useful to know that he has had a divorce and Divorce date is October 2007.He has had three marriage: 1-1982 2-Marriage October 1996 3-Marriage 2 February 2008 We can see some divorce signs in his chart: 1-lagnadhipathi and 7th from it have 6:8 relation. 2-Venus is in last degrees of Jyeshta. 3-Distance between sun and venues is more than 43 degrees. 4-Ju has a malefic sight on 7th house. Best Regards Hussein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2009 Hi dear AshThank you for your guides.This chart belongs to Nikolas Sarkozi President of France.Before I give more details,I ask my question again,why does Ve give the result here? Ve has 12 points and it's good for a happy marriage.Here Sa is 6th lord and because it see one of signifacator houses, its Samdharmi,Ve,gives the results.Do we select Ve because it is samdharmi of Me with 11 points fpr unhappy marriage or for the reason that Ve is Natural samdharmi for Sa ?This is more details:French politician who became President of the country on May 6, 2007 as successor to Jacques Chirac. The leader of the conservative Union for a Popular Movement (UMP), he beat his Socialist opponent, Ségolène Royal, by nearly 7 points. Sarkozy is the son of a French mother and Hungarian father who had emigrated to France during the Russian invasion of his homeland in 1944. At age 26 Sarkozy earned his law degree. He served as mayor of Neuilly, an affluent Paris suburb, from 1983 to 2002. Since being elected deputy in 1988, he has held various positions in the government. On May 7, 2002 he became Interior Minister. Under Jacque Chirac he was named Minister of State, the economie and finances on April 1 2004. On November 2004 he was elected to the head of his party (UMP) From 1993-1995 he was the Budget minister; concurrently from 1994-1995 he was the Minster of Communication and. On Janaury 14, 2007 he was declared a presidential candidate. Sarkozy has been married three times. With his first wife whom he married in 1982, he had two sons, Pierre (born 1985) and Jean (born 1987). With his second wife, Cecilia Ciganer-Albeniz, a former model and public relations exectuive, he had one son, Louis, born April 23, 1997, after their marriage in October 1996. She made news in the US when she claimed that a sore throat prevented her from dining with the Bushes on a trip to Kennebunkport. She was later in the day seen shopping and looking quite well. Reports of their marital problems followed and their divorce was announced on October 18, 2007. A few months later he was seen with model Carla Bruni and they married on February 2, 2008. Cecilia also remarried, this time to Richard Attias in New York City on March 23, 2008. Sarkozy has a certain flair that can be charming but he is also known for having a volatile temper. His biographer, Anita Hausser, labeled him "hyperactive, ambitious, a hard worker who never rests." He wields political power effectively and to his advantage. He has little tolerance for inquiries into his private life, even storming out of a videotaped interview with Leslie Stahl of “60 Minutes†when she began asking about his wife Cecilia after their marital problems had surfaced in the news. Politically he is quite a powerful presence and he speaks his mind no matter who becomes alienated. He even voted against his mentor, Jacques Chirac in 1995 thus causing tension between the formerly close men. EVENTS: Relationship : Marriage 2 February 2008 (Third marriage, this one to Carla Bruni) Relationship : Marriage 1982 Family : Change in family responsibilities 1985 (Birth of son Pierre) Family : Change in family responsibilities 1987 (Birth of son Jean) Family : Change in family responsibilities 23 April 1997 (Birth of son Louis) Relationship : Marriage October 1996 (Married Cecile) Relationship : Divorce dates October 2007 (Divorced Cecile) Relationship : Marriage 2 February 2008 (Carla Bruni) Work : Gain social status 6 May 2007 (Elected President of France)Best regardsHussein Heydari--- On Tue, 5/5/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote:Ash's Corner <kasRE: marriage analysis Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 6:42 AM Dear Hussein, Excellent analysis. It means you are getting the basics correct. I would like to see you solve more charts in the similar manner. That way you can observe the laws given by Guru ji and understand the power of that. I am holding back from writing more on your analysis and I hope that group members take this chart up for analysis. If possible, please write more data on this chart like the dates of divorce the reason for divorce, any particular traits about this natives personality, his profession and any other major events like purchase of property, death of parents if applicable, any peculiar habits of the native. The more details you can provide the more comprehensive study can be done. Thanks for bringing such an interesting chart and solving the same and also giving the dates. This will help the beginners to observe the laws given by Guru ji in action and the depth of the same and how it manifests. Please take part in discussions and enjoy your learning. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of hossien abdee Monday May 4, 2009 2:02 PM To: astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com Subject: [astrologyandtiming events] marriage analysis Hello Ash ,Anup and dear group members I think some group members know me. I'm Hussein Heydari from Iran and just have 27 years old and I'm happy that I'm one of the member of this good group. This chart belongs to a native (male) with this birth data: 28 Janu 1955 Birth time: 10 pm Place: Paris, France (time zone 1 East of G.M.T.) 2 e 20 48n52 I tried to find the marriage time for this native. This is my attempt: Relation: lagna lord:7th from lagna lord 6:8 Lord of monn sign:7th lord from moon sign 6:8 Lord of sun sign: 7th lord from sun sign 6:8 Then he has had an unhappy marriage. Also the distance of Venus from Sun is considerable. Ve is in the Jyeshta Nakshatra From above , I think he will marry in sub of sixth lord or a weakest significator for 7th house focus. I calculated the strength of all planets for 7th house focus: Planet Points Rank Sa 25 1 Ju 22 2 Su 16 3 Ma 15 4 Ve 12 5 Mo 11 6 Me 11 7 I searched about his marriage time and understood that he has married on 1982. Then I think he has married on Ve-Ve From the above table we see that Me and MO both have the same points(11) and will give the result. But ,Me has a sight on house C(for 7th house focus) and it can't give the result. Now we should find the samdharmi of Me.Here Venus is in the Me's Nakshatra. But Ve has 12 points for this and then it isn't suitable for unhappy marriage. What's your idea?If I do any mistakes please tell me. It is also useful to know that he has had a divorce and Divorce date is October 2007.He has had three marriage: 1-1982 2-Marriage October 1996 3-Marriage 2 February 2008 We can see some divorce signs in his chart: 1-lagnadhipathi and 7th from it have 6:8 relation. 2-Venus is in last degrees of Jyeshta. 3-Distance between sun and venues is more than 43 degrees. 4-Ju has a malefic sight on 7th house. Best Regards Hussein Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 8, 2010 --- On Mon, 4/5/10, Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu wrote: Madhusudhan RS <rs_madhu marriage analysis Monday, April 5, 2010, 9:37 PM Hare Krishna Dear Gurujis Pranams, After going thru the video lessons from Rafal Guruji on marriage and from reading revelant chapters in crux of vedic astrology, I made humble attempt to analyse the following horoscope of my cousin sister. May 3, 1985, 11:54 AM 5:30 E IST75E34, 13N55 UL is in 3 house Virgo and UL has moon and A7. Jupiter is debiliated in 7 house and Saturn in 5 house with AL and A9. Since Ketu is 2 house of UL there will be problem with children.Saturn being vayu tatva and darakaraka in 5 house has an papa argala on 7 house causes delay in marriage. Also Saturn being 7 lord in 5th house.There is delay in marriage.5 lord mars is in 11 house aspecting 5 house this also cause problem with child birth. Please let me know what should be the remedy I should suggest for this, for both marriage and children. As per Rafal guruji video lesson marriage, I guess for early marriage she has to fast on Upapada day " wednesday " The groom should have virgo/mithuna/karka lagna where in moon should be in trines. The groom should be doing something related medicines. Thanks in advance, Regards!Madhusudan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
