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Dear all

 

I have just received the feedback from Lajmiji. He has given his birth details.I don't know if there is any technical problem regarding the posting as today only I have received the same.

 

As per his time and date of birth,

Lagna :Sagitarious Jup- Sun-Sun

Moon Sign: Capricorn Sat-Sun-Sat

 

My finals RPs were Sat,Moon and Sun and My choice was Cancer / Capricorn preferably cancer.

 

Indeed his moon position is in capricorn and Sun became stronger than moon.

 

Jupiter was not in RP.

 

It appears that the RP has correctly reflected the Moon position, however why Sun became strong is not known to me.

 

Thanks again Lajmiji for his kind assistance and it appears that the rule given by him. However, for selecting the proper RP, we need more research and guidance from the seniors.

 

It is better if we conduct some more tests and analyze

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

 

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Luther Rath

Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:15 AM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Thanks for your reply Dear Suprakashji.

Wish you a nice day ahead.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

S.Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 9:46:46 PM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Venus is in star and sub of Jup in retrogression. hence rejected.Jup is not in RP. (Wrongly I have mentioned it as day lord..actually day lord should be Venus)As per order of strength, Sun is in 3rd position.My urge was to know the Sign position..not the sub. So the strongest planets must guide me for sign only.Yes thre are equal possibility of being Makar Lagna and in star of Sravana.I have selected Cancer as one of the strong RPs Sun is posited there.RegardsSuprakash@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Why not in Sun Star and Venus sub in Capricorn?> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Friday, August 14, 2009 5:34:31 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >  > Today, 14 August, at 5:20:58 PM,I had an urge to know the Lagna Position of Lajmiji.>  > At Calcutta, ruling planets are:>  > Asc star :Moon> Asc rasi :Saturn> Moon Star:Sun> Moon Sign:Venus> Day Lord:Jupiter>  > Moon is strongest being asc star, also in star of Sun, another RP and sub of Merc, though not in RP, bur conj with Sat, asc lord.>  > Saturn in next strong being in star and sub of sun, Sun is Moon star lord.>  > Next strong is Sun being in star of Sat and in  sub of merc.>  >  > Jup is retrograde : eliminated>  > Venus : In star and sub of jup retrograde: eliminated.>  >  > So, Lajmiji’s sign must be : Cancer, Pushya nakstra, Sun Sub.>  > Lajmiji, please confirm.>  >  >  >  > - > >Yogesh Lajmi > >@gro ups.com > >Cc: astro logy > >Friday, August 14, 2009 9:56 AM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Azeem,> >                   As per K.P., every moment in Time is Ruled by atleast 5 Planets...> >                   They are,in order of strength, the Starlord of the Ascendant Rising(at that time),the Signlord of that Ascendant,,the Moon's starlord,the Moon's Signlord and the Day lord...recent researchers have added the sublords of the Ascendant and Moon to these 5, making it 7 Planets... This epoch-making discovery/invention has made our late Guruji,Jyotish Marthand,K.S. Krishnamurthiji, immortal. ..!> >                   These RPs play a very important role...for example, the Ruling Planets at your Birth will play an important role in bringing about almost every important event in your Life...and so on...there are many applications of RPs in K.P.> >                   With best wishes,> >                   Yogesh Lajmi, > >                                                GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> astro logy <astro_logy66@ >> >@gro ups.com> >Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:32:52 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Respected Yogesh ji> >can you explain what is the RPs. i ll be very much thankful to you for this act of kindness.> >Azeem (student of kp system of astrology)> >> >--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> >> >> >>Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> >>Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>@gro ups.com> >>Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 7:56 AM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear Sir, > >>> >>> >>As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.> >>Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >>> >>> >>Pranams.> >>Bhargav.> >>> >>--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >>> >>> >>>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >>> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com>> >>>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>Dear MEMBERS,> >>>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >>>                          You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >>>                           Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client...> >>>                           The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person         Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >>>                            That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>>                             K..P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>>> >>> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please.> >>> > >>>                            With the very best wishes,> >>>                            Yogesh Lajmi.> >>>                      > >>> > >>__________ _________ _________ ____> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >> >>

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Dear Friends,

 

Tihs is a useful quote for current discussion -

 

" An Astrologer has to pray: gain the Divine Grace: develop intuition: but treat this science scientifically: God never fails to guide. He gives the tip to correctly eliminate the incorrect one and select the right one accurately "

 

- Page 327, III reader - sixth edition (1992), Under the topic " Rectification of Birth Time "

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

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Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly.When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro.com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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For information of the Users of New Editions of Reader 3-for the quotes presented by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar Ji, pl refer page No 281 of Edition2005 & onwardsKalyanYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Cc: Sunil Gondhalekar <sunilalakaMonday, August 17, 2009 4:09:46 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Sunil,

Thanks for reminding me about this info...you had mentioned this earlier too in your esteemed Magazine ...in one of your several articles..I had madr a mental note of it,but it did not come to my mind while I was replying to Tin Win....Many Thanks ...

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comMonday, August 17, 2009 3:44:03 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

dear punit,

the technique used by me for RP is the teaching of KSK

pl.refer reader no.3,page 118,heading "DISESASE"

wherein KSK quotes:

 

'Note the sublord of 6th cusp(which is under

consideration) .This needs correct moment of birth.If it is not available,

then if you want to know the sub of the sixth,you take the ruling planets at the moment

when you have the urge to put the query.Mysteriously God will help you by

eleminating the previous and the next sub to the one which you have to select"

My Guruji Late Hasbe was following the same technique as he was direct

follower of KSK. KSK was given him permission to translate readers in local

language...this is for the information.

 

i hope now direction of the thread is on right track

-sunil gondhalekar

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Rath ji,

 

I agree with your saying that "There is no conjunction of these planets at the time of finding out the ruling Planets. Hence Mars cannot be taken as an associate of the RPs." Conjunction of planets in Natal chart should not be used for finding RP at the time of judgement, in my opinion.

 

Though tallying all the RP at the time of judgement with all RPs at the time of birth doesn't seem correct to me. RP works in question-answer fashion. This is one very very important learning in my opinion related to RP. You need to ask RP what you want to know. As the possible time-span falls almost in Aries, there was no need to question lagna from RP. We should have asked for Ascendant Sub lord and then RPs would have revealed more clear answer. More clear question you will put to RP, more clear answer you will get. Like Horary, clarity of mind (in terms of question) is very important in application of RP.

 

Due to this question-answer behavior of RP, RP don't reveal just the birth time but everything. Sunil ji's application of RP seems better to me where he requests RP for sub for the house under consideration. For example, in the present quiz, he fixes sub-lord of 7th cusp (and not the birth ascendant) using RP. Why? Because, he wanted to know 7th CSL and not the ascendant, as the quiz was related to marriage.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups..comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ..com>Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K..P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you....

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on

the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P.....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the

one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord .....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

>> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly.When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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Respected Punitji,

I agree to each and every sentance of your message. The RPs reflect only the particular question in mind. The sets of RPs of the participants did not indicate towards Aries at all. Most of the participants could fix in Sun Star. The problem sprouts only when the question of Sub comes.There could not be a consensus for fixing the Sub. Different participants fixed in different Subs.

To day I had a discussion with Mr Senthil over phone on this issue.

His intention, which I did not know earlier, was quite interesting.

I have given RBT 16-29-35. He wants to find out whether all the sets of RPs found by the participants could support this given RBT. Likewise whether the RBT arrived at by other participants can be arrived at by the other sets of RPs. The idea is whether astrologers sitting at different corners of the world can arrive at one RBT. Instead of one person trying all the tasks different brains to work with their way of judgment.

I do not know how to go ahead.

With regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 12:29:14 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Rath ji,

 

I agree with your saying that "There is no conjunction of these planets at the time of finding out the ruling Planets. Hence Mars cannot be taken as an associate of the RPs." Conjunction of planets in Natal chart should not be used for finding RP at the time of judgement, in my opinion.

 

Though tallying all the RP at the time of judgement with all RPs at the time of birth doesn't seem correct to me. RP works in question-answer fashion. This is one very very important learning in my opinion related to RP. You need to ask RP what you want to know. As the possible time-span falls almost in Aries, there was no need to question lagna from RP. We should have asked for Ascendant Sub lord and then RPs would have revealed more clear answer. More clear question you will put to RP, more clear answer you will get. Like Horary, clarity of mind (in terms of question) is very important in application of RP.

 

Due to this question-answer behavior of RP, RP don't reveal just the birth time but everything. Sunil ji's application of RP seems better to me where he requests RP for sub for the house under consideration. For example, in the present quiz, he fixes sub-lord of 7th cusp (and not the birth ascendant) using RP. Why? Because, he wanted to know 7th CSL and not the ascendant, as the quiz was related to marriage.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> @gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

>> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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Dear Sujataji,

I shall remember that.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

sujata das <sujatadash1 Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 4:54:17 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Dr RathIn case, u revirew the study, it may be noted that I had tallied cusps of 5 7 with that of his wife and sonRegardsSujata

 

 

 

Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMonday, 17 August, 2009 6:38:58 AMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Sujataji,

I think Senthilji wanted to know whether all from different corners of the world would get same group of RPs. That is all. His study was not aimed at correct prediction. Many of the participants found Sun as one of the RPs.This is quite significant. For fixing the sub lord, it was difficult. I would like to review the same study again to study the methods of all regarding the fixation of Sub.

Thank you for your opinion. Event tallying takes a lot of time and participants may not find time to do that keeping their private work aside.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 9:12:20 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Dr RathIT was a good compilation. The study aimed to find out if the different RPS would be interpreted by different astrologers, gave the same answer. Had all participants tallied the events of the querrents life, a tedious process, then maybe the results would have been sameThe participation was lackadisical, including mine.I dont consider myself as an expert on the subject. Its only to pass timeRegardsSujata

 

 

 

Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comSunday, 16 August, 2009 8:00:01 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Senthilji,

I have also selected Rahu as sub.And you too. The question was put so, to know your justification. I have given my justification for selecting Rahu. Now there is lot of controversy. The reason could be that I could not follow your line of thought. I could not catch actually what you wanted to find out. Kindly tell me whether I was in right path with right aim according to you. Please tell me also in what other way it could have been compiled. Please be frank. Interpretations may differ from person to person. It could have happened in this study. I have not attempted for fault finding. I tried to be quite impartial according to the information provided by the participants. The informations were not uniform in all cases. Kindly guide me or you may take up the job once you are free.

Thanks.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 1:25:11 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr.Rath,

 

Thanks for the report. You have asked one query

 

 

1."D. SENTHIL HAS FOUND SUN AND MOON. BUT INSTEAD HE FIXED IN RAHU SUB. WHY? "

 

 

I have already mentioned the rule cleary what i have followed.Once again i give below.

 

Rule

===

 

Birth ASC= RP Moo

Birth Moo = RP Asc

 

I have not found any MOO in the RP MOON position but RAHU is appearing.

 

if you see the RP MOO= SUN-VEN-RAH( R)-VEN (there is no MOON here. Please check)

 

 

Hence i have selected RAHU as sub. Moreover the Native's wife star in JUP so i have selected MOO as 7th CSL(at the same time the lagna CSL is RAHU) as it is occupied in JUP sign in Natal chart.

 

Hope i have clarified.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

 

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]@gro ups.comSaturday, August 15, 2009, 9:37 PM

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya......kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to

consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....> >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously

adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger.... ( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).>

>>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. >

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Dear Adithji,

I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am very happy to see your message with explanation.

I am almost convinced with your understanding.

Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.

You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.

Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -

 

Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn

Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.

Day lord : Moon.

Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by using my RPs? Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find the RBT.

Thanking you.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> @gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

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Dear Dr. Luther ji,

 

I am not at all getting annoyed! Come on!

 

With regard to your Question:

 

How can I do that with your RPs ?

 

I had the urge to rectify , I started with the help of RPs and also other points. Thats it.

 

I am afraid I am unable to help in this with you!

 

With Regards

Adith

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am very happy to see your message with explanation.

I am almost convinced with your understanding.

Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.

You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.

Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -

 

Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn

Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.

Day lord : Moon.

Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by using my RPs? Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find the RBT.

Thanking you.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Monday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusionRegardsSujataadith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathTo:

Sent: Monday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> > > >Dear Bhargav,> > This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ?

> > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.> > GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.

> >> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sujata ji,

 

Thanks for your explanation.

 

Regards

Adith

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusion

RegardsSujata

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Monday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sujata ji,

 

What is the source of this theory? The nature of theory seems non-KP to me and hence the curiosity to know the source.

 

As correctly pointed out by Bhaskar ji, if we start taking RP by conjunction in the birth chart, we will end up almost all the planets as RP. These theories seem good for justification as one can have more options, but seems to have little or no predictive value.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusion

RegardsSujata

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Monday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Adithji,

Never mind.

I requested you because the initiator of the quiz, Mr. Senthil, had in his mind to find out whether all the sets of the RPs point to a particular time (RBT). It is expected to happen so. Every one's judgment ought to arrive at the same (correct) answer.

Thanks.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:55:28 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Dr. Luther ji,

 

I am not at all getting annoyed! Come on!

 

With regard to your Question:

 

How can I do that with your RPs ?

 

I had the urge to rectify , I started with the help of RPs and also other points. Thats it.

 

I am afraid I am unable to help in this with you!

 

With Regards

Adith

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am very happy to see your message with explanation.

I am almost convinced with your understanding.

Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.

You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.

Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -

 

Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn

Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.

Day lord : Moon.

Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by using my RPs? Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find the RBT.

Thanking you.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

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Mr. Rajendra Nimje in Free KPE-zine May 2008

 

Another reference is also found in the KP Third Reader on page 118 third

paragraph as shown below:

 

" Note the sublord of the sixth cusp. This needs correct moment of birth. If it

is not available then if you want to know the sub of the sixth, you take the

ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge to put the query.

Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the next sub to

the one which you have to select. "

 

Hence, the use of RPs for correcting the sub of any house has followed Guruji's

method and not deviated from the KP principles which are the main concern for

the author.

 

In order to get the correct sublord for the required cusp, in my opinion the

birth time correction needs to be carried out and further analysis is to be done

with the corrected birth chart.

 

Another view (4 step theory) is not to undertake the birth time rectification,

in other words not to recast the horoscope again, in such cases and to correct

only the required sublord because when one judges the other matter of the same

native then again one will confirm the related cuspal sublord.

 

Finally I would like to mention that Guruji has used the RPs for various

purposes and not in a restrictive manner. The ruling planets usage is the master

key to the KP and Guruji has also used it even for conformation of the past

events (A & A Dec. 1968 P.31- Horoscopy..). There are very divergent views on the

RP usage among KP followers.

 

 

 

Dr. Andrew Dutta in Free KPE-zine May 2008

 

In Astrology & Athrishta monthly magazine of 1970 January issue (Vol. 8 No. 1),

in the article titled `Astrology and Disease' authored by K.S.K on page 27

second column second paragraph, also in the KP Third Reader: Predictive Stellar

Astrology, Old Edition like 1984, part 2, page 118, 3rd paragraph and New

Edition like 1995, 2004, page 281, 2nd paragraph, we find the following words

said by Guruji KSK.

 

" Note the sublord of the sixth (6th) cusp. This needs correct moment of birth.

If it is not available, then if you want to know the sub of the sixth, you take

ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge to put the query.

Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the next sub to

the one which you have to select. "

 

In my understanding, in " If it is not available, then if you want to know the

sub of the sixth, you take ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge

to put the query " . , " What is not available " refers to birth time. Logically

therefore, we can understand that only in such situations where the querist

himself raises doubt about the correctness of his own birth time, only then

should we resort to the use of the divine RPs in order to resolve the doubts,

and " Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the next sub

to the one which you have to select " .

 

A similar view was expressed by Sri K. Baskaran in his book Secrets of R.P. &

The Birth Time (1999) in page 10 point number 2 that:

" Unless the client raises specific doubts in his birth-time, we need not attempt

unnecessarily to correct the birth-time at all. However, it is better to check

his birth-horoscope by taking the RPs……Like this we should practice the art of

relating all the twelve bhavas with the present position of the Moon. "

 

I would like to end this rejoinder with a quotation of Sri K. Baskaran in his

book Secrets of R.P. & The Birth Time, page 15, point 11:

 

" In my little experience, I have come across young KP astrologers, who do not

hesitate to change SUBs of certain cuspal points. Without detailed study, these

young KP astrologers, with a subjective outlook, never afraid to change their

horoscopes frequently by changing SUBs of certain bhavas according to their

whims and fancies. This is not advisable. It is irrational and undoing of the

scientific approach of KP. Only because our predictions fail often, it is not

reasonable to jump to the conclusion that the birth time is wrong " .

 

 

 

 

, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear punit,

> the technique used by me for RP is the teaching of KSK

> pl.refer reader no.3,page 118,heading " DISESASE "

> wherein KSK quotes:

>

> 'Note the sublord of 6th cusp(which is under

> consideration).This needs correct moment of birth.If it is not available,

> then if you want to know the sub of the sixth,you take the ruling planets at

> the moment

> when you have the urge to put the query.Mysteriously God will help you by

> eleminating the previous and the next sub to the one which you have to

> select "

> My Guruji Late Hasbe was following the same technique as he was direct

> follower of KSK. KSK was given him permission to translate readers in local

> language...this is for the information.

>

> i hope now direction of the thread is on right track

> -sunil gondhalekar

> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Rath ji,

> >

> > I agree with your saying that " There is no conjunction of these planets at

> > the time of finding out the ruling Planets. Hence Mars cannot be taken as an

> > associate of the RPs. " Conjunction of planets in Natal chart should not be

> > used for finding RP at the time of judgement, in my opinion.

> >

> > Though tallying all the RP at the time of judgement with all RPs at the

> > time of birth doesn't seem correct to me. *RP works in question-answer

> > fashion. This is one very very important learning in my opinion related to

> > RP. *You need to ask RP what you want to know. As the possible time-span

> > falls almost in Aries, there was no need to question lagna from RP. We

> > should have asked for Ascendant Sub lord and then RPs would have revealed

> > more clear answer. More clear question you will put to RP, more clear answer

> > you will get. Like Horary, clarity of mind (in terms of question) is very

> > important in application of RP.

> >

> > Due to this question-answer behavior of RP, RP don't reveal just the birth

> > time but everything. Sunil ji's application of RP seems better to me where

> > he requests RP for sub for the house under consideration. For example, in

> > the present quiz, he fixes sub-lord of 7th cusp (and not the birth

> > ascendant) using RP. Why? Because, he wanted to know 7th CSL and not the

> > ascendant, as the quiz was related to marriage.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathlutherwrote:

> >

> >>

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> >>

> >> Dear Adithji,

> >> I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the

> >> adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the

> >> attachment.

> >> Regards.

> >> Dr. Rath

> >>

> >> ------------------------------

> >> ** adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

> >> *To:*

> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> DEAR DR. RATH JI,

> >>

> >> NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

> >>

> >> BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

> >>

> >> ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

> >>

> >> A) *Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?*

> >>

> >> Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

> >>

> >> reproduced here...

> >> *//**There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).

> >> So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with

> >> Sun, the RP).//*

> >> hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be

> >> seen).

> >>

> >> B) //*If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon

> >> star lord. So it matches.

> >> IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except

> >> Sat is in Moon star*.//

> >>

> >> *You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is

> >> supposed to be in Moon star only " .*

> >>

> >> Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It

> >> means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon

> >> star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

> >>

> >> C) *SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of

> >> Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!*

> >> What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to

> >> the Asc. Natal?

> >> NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that

> >> itself is ok.

> >>

> >> *We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for

> >> their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign

> >> lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in

> >> Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper

> >> study and explantion fhas been made.*

> >>

> >> If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the

> >> Moon's corulers in RP.

> >> This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

> >>

> >> Hope the above answers your questions!

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Adith

> >>

> >> www.thebestastro. com <http://www.thebestastro.com/>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT)

com<rathluther

> >> > wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>>

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> >>>

> >>> Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested

> >>> members,

> >>> I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants

> >>> with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed

by

> >>> all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for

> >>> benefit of all.

> >>> Yours.

> >>> Dr. Rath

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------

> >>> ** Senthil <athi_ram <athi_ram>

> >>> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

> >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1

> >>> Attachment]

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Dear Members,

> >>>

> >>> I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal

> >>> work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to

> >>> submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the

> >>> given birth chart.

> >>>

> >>> As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right

> >>> time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file

> >>> (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with

> >>> summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

> >>>

> >>> GOOD LUCK!

> >>>

> >>> Thanks

> >>>

> >>> D.Senthil

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> --- On *Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >* wrote:

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> @gro ups.com

> >>>

> >>> Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>> Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

> >>>

> >>> Dear TW,

> >>> That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your

> >>> latest *invention... !*

> >>> * Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with

> >>> any " urge " ...! !*

> >>> * *You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where *whenever a

> >>> number is given,there should be a genuine* *urge...at the time of giving

> >>> the number*,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P.

> >>> Astrologer.. .

> >>> RPs are Ruling Planets* any given moment of time*...that

> >>> is ALL*....*

> >>> * **How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling

> >>> Planets at Birth. ?*

> >>> I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more

> >>> care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P.

> >>> enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional

> >>> Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by

> >>> seniors like you...

> >>> I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting

> >>> them ...

> >>> Yogesh Lajmi

> >>> GOOD LUCK !

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------

> >>> ** tw853 <tw853 >

> >>> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM

> >>> *Subject:* Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>

> >>> Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

> >>> Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the

> >>> place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not

support

> >>> to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will

be

> >>> reliable such kind of technique.

> >>> Thanks and regards,

> >>> tw

> >>>

> >>> @gro

ups.com<http://us.mc320.mail./mc/compose?to=%40.co\

m>,

> >>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,

> >>> > I have begun to think that such

> >>> " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some

schools

> >>> of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P.,

> >>> albeit,on the sly and not openly...

> >>> > Particularly I suggest you to,as much

> >>> as possible as you have a large client base...

> >>> > With the very best wishes,and kind

> >>> regards,

> >>> > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>

> >>> > @gro

ups.com<http://us.mc320.mail./mc/compose?to=%40.co\

m>

> >>> > Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..>

> >>> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM

> >>> > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > dear lajmiji,

> >>> > such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> >>> > i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who

> >>> > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.

> >>> > he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all

> >>> > the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> >>> > his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini)

> >>> ...again i asked

> >>> > whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the

> >>> chair and asked

> >>> > me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> >>> >

> >>> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.

> >>> > it happens many times.... try this...

> >>> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> >

> >>> > >Dear Bhargav,

> >>> > > This is a very simple exercise,you can do

> >>> everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...

> >>> > > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering

> >>> from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >>> > > With best wishes,

> >>> > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>> > > GOOD

> >>> LUCK !

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>> > Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >>> > >

> >>> > >@gro ups.com

> >>> > >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM

> >>> > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >Dear Sir,

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >>> > >Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >Pranams.

> >>> > >Bhargav.

> >>> > >

> >>> > >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>> > >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>> > >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>> > >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >>Dear MEMBERS,

> >>> > >> Here's a method of stunning a person who

> >>> comes to consult you...

> >>> > >> You could him tell him his Birth

> >>> Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows

it...

> >>> > >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his

> >>> clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were

> >>> sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter

> >>> surprise of the client....

> >>> > >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins

> >>> consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact

Standard

> >>> Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the

> >>> signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth

> >>> Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently,

> >>> without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>> > >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can

> >>> help you perform...

> >>> > >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for

> >>> nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the

> >>> sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations

> >>> at this site,please. .

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >> With the very best wishes,

> >>> > >> Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >>

> >>> > >

> >>> > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> >>> > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet

> >>> Explorer 8.

> >>> > >

> >>> >

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

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, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Tihs is a useful quote for current discussion -

>

> * " An Astrologer has to pray: gain the Divine Grace: develop intuition: but

> treat this science scientifically: God never fails to guide. He gives the

> tip to correctly eliminate the incorrect one and select the right one

> accurately " *

>

> - Page 327, III reader - sixth edition (1992), Under the topic

> " Rectification of Birth Time "

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

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Dear Luther Ji,

 

I do understand this.

But rectification of birth time with other Astrologer's RPs may not be worth , I hope. For this I should have the urge and check again for the current RPs to help me.

 

No two Astrologers will have the similar urge, similar interpratation and asnwer. When the RPs are not similar, may be the the answer too.

 

Even for a known Rule of simple event we could find the difficulties in finding the timing, whreras the BTR is not having any authentic rule/procedure. Hence it needs a lot of practical study and the feedback on the predictions we give. 

With due Regards

Adith

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

Never mind.

I requested you because the initiator of the quiz, Mr. Senthil, had in his mind to find out whether all the sets of the RPs point to a particular time (RBT). It is expected to happen so. Every one's judgment ought to arrive at the same (correct) answer.

Thanks.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Monday, August 17, 2009 8:55:28 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

Dear Dr. Luther ji,

 

 

I am not at all getting annoyed! Come on!

 

With regard to your Question:

 

How can I do that with your RPs ?

 

I had the urge to rectify , I started with the help of RPs and also other points. Thats it.

 

I am afraid I am unable to help in this with you!

 

With Regards

Adith

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am very happy to see your message with explanation.

I am almost convinced with your understanding.

Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.

You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.

Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -

 

Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn

Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.

Day lord : Moon.

Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by using my RPs? Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find the RBT.

Thanking you.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

 

 

 

Monday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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Dear Madam,

Do you refer to th RP excercise or the query "When will she deliver" put by Ravinerji from Auckland ?

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

sujata das <sujatadash1 Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:38:25 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusionRegardsSujata

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

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Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

>> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BTR of Chi.Sow.shylaja

15th August 2009 at 12:03:36 77E35/12N59 Bangalore

Ruling Planets:

Lagna Ven/Jup/Sat

Moon- Ven/Moo/Mer

Day Lord- Sat

 

Birth Details of Chi.sow.Shylaja

D/B: May 7th, 1973

T/B (As pr BTR) 07:53:32 am

P/B: Davangere

18 deg 51 min 19 sec _ Ven/Moo/Mer

 

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Sagar S <ssagar86Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiTuesday, 18 August, 2009 11:39:55 AMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Yogesh

After a very long time I took BTR work for a lady whose marriage has delayed as per their relatives.

I concluded the Birth time will be Venus/Moon/Mercury as it was Moon at Ven/Moo/Mer at the time of BTR.

In the past i have done BTR for Mikhail Gorbachev and the date of his house arrest tallied with Mars Dasha started day.

Between 1986 to 1992 I had done many BTR which proved very accurate with the future events predictions.

 

In the chart of that girl too the marriage matter was not good as 7th lord Mars in the 10th, lagna occupied by the Moon and Saturn farmed phunarpoo dosha and Saturn aspect the 7th house and 7th lord caused much hindrence and delay in marriage.

 

plz. find the attached BTR and Birth chart as per BTR.

Regards

Sahhasra Saagara

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiSagar S <ssagar86Tuesday, 18 August, 2009 9:45:39 AMFw: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Sagar,

Am sending you the correct position on this,as per K.P.

Pl.. test this out on a number of Births,using New K.P. Ayanamsa only,and match real life experiences/incidents with the D/B/A/S and Transit of the Dasa/Bhukti/Anthara lords,the s/l of the karaka House cusp...and so on and confirm for yourself and do inform the results...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiMr.Sunil Gondhalekar <sunilalakaFriday, August 14, 2009 9:00:38 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.....

 

Dear Sunil,

The exact TOB will be such that the s/l and the sub-sub-lord of the Ascendant should appear as the Moon's starlord,and the sub-lord,respectively...

I have written about this on this site,on several occasions,and have corrected many a Birth Chart,

for the exact TOB...and successfully matched almost all major events,successfully with the DBAS...after casting the Birth Chart based on such a corrected TOB.

The RPs at the Time of sitting for such a calculation,will surely reflect/appear in the Ascendant,as Signlord,Starlord,Sublord,Moon Signlord and starlord...

You are requested to please try this out carefully in atleast 10-20 cases and I.m sure you will be convinced...

Based on this very principle, Guruji KSK's daughter used to tell on the phone the Birthstar of a caller,within seconds...(The Starlord of the Ascendant will surely be the Moonstar lord of the caller/querant...)

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:02:03 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

dear shri tin win,

you are absolutely right.i am also of the same opinion that RP

will not support to everybody at everytime and thats why i avoid to

confirm DBA with help of RP. 4 step theory is developed just to

avoid RP help

-sunil gondhalekar

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:55 AM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large

client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __>

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@. ..> > @gro ups..com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@.. .>

 

> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya...kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar>

> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,> > This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client...>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord .....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

>> > >> > >> >____________ _________ _________ __> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

 

 

 

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Dear Luther ji and Adith ji,

 

This is right that on a Group like this if we ask simultaneously many

astrologers to check the RP's for one chart and give their inputs, they

may not match . Testing purpose without a strong cause does not help

much for acquiring the right inferences. And Providence too has better

work rather than to help a single person all the time through various

astrologers in such a small frame of time.

 

I remember I had taken my own chart to two different astrologers on

differnt years, and both of them checked the RP's at time of judgement

which was matching my Chart. I myself too had checked this on a seperate

time and found it to be exact. (One astrologer was Guruji Suresh Sahasne

and the other was a renowned KP Professor of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan,

Bombay).

 

When I meet a astrologer and show him my chart, I have a " urge " to

" know " . Similiarly the astrologer has a urge too to " know " and reach

the truth. In such cases providence helps, but in all other cases, the

help may not be forthcoming in the rquired levels.

 

I sincerely hope, that some senior astrologer is able to tabulate all

the rules for the " Ruling Planets " to help all, so that confusions are

not created.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " adith kasinath.g.k "

<gkadithkasinath wrote:

>

> Dear Luther Ji,

>

> I do understand this.

> But rectification of birth time with other Astrologer's RPs may not be

worth

> , I hope. For this I should have the urge and check again for the

current

> RPs to help me.

>

> No two Astrologers will have the similar urge, similar interpratation

and

> asnwer. When the RPs are not similar, may be the the answer too.

>

> Even for a known Rule of simple event we could find the difficulties

in

> finding the timing, whreras the BTR is not having any authentic

> rule/procedure. Hence it needs a lot of practical study and the

feedback on

> the predictions we give.

>

> With due Regards

> Adith

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Luther Rath rathluther wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Adithji,

> > Never mind.

> > I requested you because the initiator of the quiz, Mr. Senthil, had

in his

> > mind to find out whether all the sets of the RPs point to a

particular time

> > (RBT). It is expected to happen so. Every one's judgment ought to

arrive at

> > the same (correct) answer.

> > Thanks.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 8:55:28 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dr. Luther ji,

> >

> > I am not at all getting annoyed! Come on!

> >

> > With regard to your Question:

> >

> > *How can I do that with your RPs ?*

> >

> > I had the urge to rectify , I started *with the help of RPs and also

other

> > points*. Thats it.

> >

> > I am afraid I am unable to help in this with you!

> >

> > With Regards

> > Adith

> >

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Luther Rath rathluther (AT) (DOT)

comrathluther

> > > wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear Adithji,

> >> I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am very

happy

> >> to see your message with explanation.

> >> I am almost convinced with your understanding.

> >> Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.

> >> You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.

> >> Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -

> >>

> >> Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn

> >>

> >> Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.

> >>

> >> Day lord : Moon.

> >>

> >> Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by using

my RPs?

> >> Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find the

RBT.

> >>

> >> Thanking you.

> >>

> >> Dr. Rath.

> >>

> >> ------------------------------

> >> ** adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@

gmail.comgkadithkasinath

> >> >

> >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PM

> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear Dr. Rath ji,

> >>

> >> Thanks for your effort!

> >>

> >> 1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can

also be

> >> considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times

all

> >> planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected

to the

> >> NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet

will also

> >> play a role! It will, according to me.

> >>

> >> 2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star

of

> >> SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's

Sub

> >> should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.

Right?

> >> Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON'

star

> >> Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the

AScendant

> >> for the Native.!

> >>

> >> 3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc

sub is

> >> Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

> >>

> >> If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

> >> But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB

lord.

> >> As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more

than MOON.

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Adith

> >>

> >> www.thebestastro. com <http://www.thebestastro.com/>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath rathluther (AT) (DOT)

comrathluther

> >> > wrote:

> >>

> >>>

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> >>>

> >>> Dear Adithji,

> >>> I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind

for the

> >>> adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the

> >>> attachment.

> >>> Regards.

> >>> Dr. Rath

> >>>

> >>> ------------------------------

> >>> ** adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@

gmail.comgkadithkasinath

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

> >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> DEAR DR. RATH JI,

> >>>

> >>> NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

> >>>

> >>> BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

> >>>

> >>> ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

> >>>

> >>> A) *Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?*

> >>>

> >>> Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN

the RP. "

> >>>

> >>> reproduced here...

> >>> *//**There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).

> >>> So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is

conjoined with

> >>> Sun, the RP).//*

> >>> hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can

also be

> >>> seen).

> >>>

> >>> B) //*If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is

the

> >>> Moon star lord. So it matches.

> >>> IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn

except

> >>> Sat is in Moon star*.//

> >>>

> >>> *You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say "

Moon is

> >>> supposed to be in Moon star only " .*

> >>>

> >>> Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL

chart. It

> >>> means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is

the Moon

> >>> star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

> >>>

> >>> C) *SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star

Lord of

> >>> Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!*

> >>> What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should

match to

> >>> the Asc. Natal?

> >>> NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth,

that

> >>> itself is ok.

> >>>

> >>> *We have to look at the possible options within the given and

check for

> >>> their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries

the sign

> >>> lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the

stars in

> >>> Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but

the proper

> >>> study and explantion fhas been made.*

> >>>

> >>> If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same

as the

> >>> Moon's corulers in RP.

> >>> This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge

also.

> >>>

> >>> Hope the above answers your questions!

> >>>

> >>> Regards

> >>> Adith

> >>>

> >>> www.thebestastro. com <http://www.thebestastro.com/>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath rathluther (AT) (DOT)

comrathluther

> >>> > wrote:

> >>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

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> >>>>

> >>>> Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and

interested

> >>>> members,

> >>>> I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10

participants

> >>>> with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to

be viewed by

> >>>> all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed

back for

> >>>> benefit of all.

> >>>> Yours.

> >>>> Dr. Rath

> >>>>

> >>>> ------------------------------

> >>>> ** Senthil athi_ram athi_ram

> >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1

> >>>> Attachment]

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Members,

> >>>>

> >>>> I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my

> >>>> personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have

asked the

> >>>> members to submit RP for their respective place when they put

urge to

> >>>> rectifty the given birth chart.

> >>>>

> >>>> As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the

right

> >>>> time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the

PDF file

> >>>> (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis

apporach with

> >>>> summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

> >>>>

> >>>> GOOD LUCK!

> >>>>

> >>>> Thanks

> >>>>

> >>>> D.Senthil

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> --- On *Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >*

wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>>> Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>> @gro ups.com

> >>>>

> >>>> Cc: " tw853 " tw853 >

> >>>> Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear TW,

> >>>> That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be

> >>>> your latest *invention... !*

> >>>> * Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with

> >>>> any " urge " ...! !*

> >>>> * *You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where *whenever a

> >>>> number is given,there should be a genuine* *urge...at the time of

> >>>> giving the number*,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any

good

> >>>> K.P. Astrologer.. .

> >>>> RPs are Ruling Planets* any given moment of time*...that

> >>>> is ALL*....*

> >>>> * **How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling

> >>>> Planets at Birth. ?*

> >>>> I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more

> >>>> care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds

of K.P.

> >>>> enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many

Traditional

> >>>> Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such

blunders...by

> >>>> seniors like you...

> >>>> I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting

> >>>> them ...

> >>>> Yogesh Lajmi

> >>>> GOOD LUCK !

> >>>>

> >>>> ------------------------------

> >>>> ** tw853 tw853 >

> >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM

> >>>> *Subject:* Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>>

> >>>> Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

> >>>> Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending

on the

> >>>> place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will

not support

> >>>> to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion

how will be

> >>>> reliable such kind of technique.

> >>>> Thanks and regards,

> >>>> tw

> >>>>

> >>>> @gro

ups.com<http://us.mc320.mail./mc/compose?to=%40g\

roups.com>,

> >>>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

> >>>> >

> >>>> > Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,

> >>>> > I have begun to think that such

> >>>> " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since

some schools

> >>>> of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to

debunk K.P.,

> >>>> albeit,on the sly and not openly...

> >>>> > Particularly I suggest you to,as

> >>>> much as possible as you have a large client base...

> >>>> > With the very best wishes,and kind

> >>>> regards,

> >>>> > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>>> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>

> >>>> > @gro

ups.com<http://us.mc320.mail./mc/compose?to=%40g\

roups.com>

> >>>> > Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ ..>

> >>>> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM

> >>>> > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > dear lajmiji,

> >>>> > such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the

person.

> >>>> > i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's

office,who

> >>>> > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.

> >>>> > he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored

with all

> >>>> > the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether

you know

> >>>> > his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is

Mithun(gemini)

> >>>> ...again i asked

> >>>> > whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up

from the

> >>>> chair and asked

> >>>> > me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp

vidya...

> >>>> >

> >>>> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as

mithun-ardra.

> >>>> > it happens many times.... try this...

> >>>> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@

> >>>> > wrote:

> >>>> >

> >>>> >

> >>>> > >Dear Bhargav,

> >>>> > > This is a very simple exercise,you can do

> >>>> everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for

anything...

> >>>> > > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering

> >>>> from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >>>> > > With best wishes,

> >>>> > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>>> > > GOOD

> >>>> LUCK !

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>>> > Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >@gro ups.com

> >>>> > >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM

> >>>> > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >Dear Sir,

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an

example.

> >>>> > >Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >Pranams.

> >>>> > >Bhargav.

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

wrote:

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> >>>> > >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>>> > >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " tw853 (AT) (DOT)

com>

> >>>> > >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>Dear MEMBERS,

> >>>> > >> Here's a method of stunning a person who

> >>>> comes to consult you...

> >>>> > >> You could him tell him his Birth

> >>>> Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he

knows it...

> >>>> > >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his

> >>>> clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the

room,they were

> >>>> sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to

the utter

> >>>> surprise of the client....

> >>>> > >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins

> >>>> consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the

exact Standard

> >>>> Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord

and the

> >>>> signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be

the Birth

> >>>> Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently,

> >>>> without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>>> > >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P.

> >>>> can help you perform...

> >>>> > >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for

> >>>> nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is

in the

> >>>> sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their

observations

> >>>> at this site,please. .

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >> With the very best wishes,

> >>>> > >> Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >>

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> >>>> > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer

Internet

> >>>> Explorer 8.

> >>>> > >

> >>>> >

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Dr Rath

I am refering to RPs

Sujata--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 11:37 AM

 

 

Dear Madam,

Do you refer to th RP excercise or the query "When will she deliver" put by Ravinerji from Auckland ?

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comMonday, August 17, 2009 9:38:25 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusionRegardsSujata

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

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Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you....

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 (AT) (DOT) . com>@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P.....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord .....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

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Dear Naidu ji,

 

I appreciate your email. We need to have more open communication like this, so that we can analyse our direction. Most of the points mentioned are kind of surprise to me and I am trying to share my view. Firstly, this is a KP forum and it is job of seniors to correct when somebody is missing/ mis-interpreting KP principles. Quotes generally are useful because people trace their own learning. Quotes and references are useful not only for others but for themselves only. I just wonder how it is possible to learn without the reference. Ultimately we are learning KP and quote from the KP literature can help us in that. You say that we have theoretical discussion, tell me how many forums you know which consistently have quiz and emphasize not only on practical learning but also testing and verifying it?

 

Second point that seniors do not share practical experience is also surprise to me. Lajmi ji told about his RP method to surprise people recently. Today I have written one email telling my experience with RP and what generally people miss about it. Isn't it sharing experience? Tw ji is known as encyclopedia as he summarizes and share his notes and experience wonderfully every time. Lajmi ji keeps sharing KP rules whenever anybody requested. I myself maintain KP Learning Wiki (http://logy.astrosage.com), which takes a lot of my time, with the objective to share. Yesterday Adith ji shared his method that can be useful in significator selection. I think this list is unending. Isn't it sharing?

 

It is important to understand that being a part of this family and knowing each other for a long time, our criticism is for the purpose of learning only. I wonder if we can have learning without criticism. Only point is that the criticism should be constructive and that is something we all have to follow as members. In case member feel that we are crossing our limits, please inform me and I'll take appropirate action immediately. We are very clear in our forum policy and I would like to quote -

 

" Please don’t try to prove superiority of one branch of astrology over another. In this group, all branches should be treated with equal respect. Respect for other branches is essential for research and discussion. "

(Source: http://logy.astrosage.com/forum-constitution)

 

Take an example of Cuspal Interlinks. I myself have studied and used both the popular methods of cuspal interlinks. I have good idea about accuracy. Now if somebody claims 100% accuracy, should I not stop that miscommunication? Please check the emails and tell where is negative criticism against 4 step theory, Khullar ji's theory, or MST by me or any other forum members. I myself stepped up previously when I felt we are crossing our limits in criticizing 4-step. In fact, we appreciate all these theories and want to prove their accuracy so that we are better equipped with the correct predictive tools. But without verification it is not possible. We see new theory coming up every-day and without verification we do not want to encourage those theories. We need to understand that we are responsible towards students and beginners and we need to provide correct learning material to them.

 

I again appreciate your email and hope that open communication like this will improve the forum. You are an old contributor of this forum and know the forum very well, so even criticism from you will always be welcome.  

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Punit ji,It is observed that mostly discussions on various topics, in this forum, are theoritical in nature, quoting references of authors, books, pages etc.  Thus it is a test of bookish knowledge. Hence it sometimes leads to verbal battle among the members, which is unfortunate and shall be avoided.

My sincere request to the members having long practical experience in KP astrology, to kindly share their practical experiences.  Please share your (senior KP astrologers) practical experiences - how you are rectifying Birth Time, success rate, how and when you use RPs, success rate, any  new innovations made by you, success rate etc., etc., These will be much useful to the members especially learners of KP. This will never lead to verbal battle. What shri KSK, X, Y or Z said is not much important here. What they said is well written in their books. why to argue and fight on what they have written.

Henceforth theoritical discussions may kindly be stopped. Let us share our practical experiences only. Then individual practical experiences can not be questioned by any other member, nor can be commented negatively. It is upto the member to accept it or reject it (one's experience).

It is also observed that some criticism was made against 4 step theory, Khullar theory, MST., etc. It is very bad culture. If you (members) like/believe it follow it or keep quiet. why to creticise. We are all human beings hacving different believes and convictions. One believes astrology and one does not. Even believers of astrology also, follow different astrologies. Is it correct to say that your are right and others are wrong. It is foolishness.

All the theories, all different astrologies, all sciences, exist and are being practiced. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. Time will decide. Hope I am understood by the members in the correct perspectiveThanks & Regards.

Naidu KP  K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 12:04 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sujata ji,

 

What is the source of this theory? The nature of theory seems non-KP to me and hence the curiosity to know the source.

 

As correctly pointed out by Bhaskar ji, if we start taking RP by conjunction in the birth chart, we will end up almost all the planets as RP. These theories seem good for justification as one can have more options, but seems to have little or no predictive value.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusion

RegardsSujata

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Monday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.     

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of  SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's  Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.  Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said " MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP. "

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say  " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only " .

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord. " Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: " tw853 " <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear TW,

               That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

               Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

               You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

               RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

               How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

               I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

               I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

               Yogesh Lajmi

                                                  GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... 

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,>                                   I have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

>                                   Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...>                                   With the very best wishes,and kind regards,>                                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>                                                           > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >   > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >   > >Dear Bhargav,> >                     This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >                    TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> >                    With best wishes,> >                    Yogesh Lajmi.> >                                                              GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >  > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >>  > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>                           Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >>                           You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >>                            Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >>                            The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person          Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >>                             That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >>                             K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >>                             With the very best wishes,> >>                             Yogesh Lajmi.

> >>                       > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you shree Punit Bhai ji,You have elaborated further what I meant for. Creticism as you mentioned if it is for learning it is good. I have my own fear and hence openly expressed my view with good intention. My view is to increase the share of content of sharing practical experiences and to reduce the share of hot discussions on theory. Application of theory is indiwith different skillsvidual skills acquired through practice. these vary from individual to individual. Theoritical understanding of the subject is one part and practical application with different individual skills is another most important part. It is human nature to keep his experiences confidentially. Exceptions are there. We can not help it.Thanks and Regards,Naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji

Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 4:10 PM

 

 

Dear Naidu ji,

 

I appreciate your email. We need to have more open communication like this, so that we can analyse our direction. Most of the points mentioned are kind of surprise to me and I am trying to share my view. Firstly, this is a KP forum and it is job of seniors to correct when somebody is missing/ mis-interpreting KP principles. Quotes generally are useful because people trace their own learning. Quotes and references are useful not only for others but for themselves only. I just wonder how it is possible to learn without the reference. Ultimately we are learning KP and quote from the KP literature can help us in that. You say that we have theoretical discussion, tell me how many forums you know which consistently have quiz and emphasize not only on practical learning but also testing and verifying it?

 

Second point that seniors do not share practical experience is also surprise to me. Lajmi ji told about his RP method to surprise people recently. Today I have written one email telling my experience with RP and what generally people miss about it. Isn't it sharing experience? Tw ji is known as encyclopedia as he summarizes and share his notes and experience wonderful ly every time. Lajmi ji keeps sharing KP rules whenever anybody requested. I myself maintain KP Learning Wiki (http://logy. astrosage. com), which takes a lot of my time, with the objective to share. Yesterday Adith ji shared his method that can be useful in significator selection. I think this list is unending. Isn't it sharing?

 

It is important to understand that being a part of this family and knowing each other for a long time, our criticism is for the purpose of learning only. I wonder if we can have learning without criticism. Only point is that the criticism should be constructive and that is something we all have to follow as members. In case member feel that we are crossing our limits, please inform me and I'll take appropirate action immediately. We are very clear in our forum policy and I would like to quote -

 

"Please don’t try to prove superiority of one branch of astrology over another. In this group, all branches should be treated with equal respect. Respect for other branches is essential for research and discussion."

(Source: http://logy. astrosage. com/forum- constitution)

 

Take an example of Cuspal Interlinks. I myself have studied and used both the popular methods of cuspal interlinks. I have good idea about accuracy. Now if somebody claims 100% accuracy, should I not stop that miscommunication? Please check the emails and tell where is negative criticism against 4 step theory, Khullar ji's theory, or MST by me or any other forum members. I myself stepped up previously when I felt we are crossing our limits in criticizing 4-step. In fact, we appreciate all these theories and want to prove their accuracy so that we are better equipped with the correct predictive tools. But without verification it is not possible. We see new theory coming up every-day and without verification we do not want to encourage those theories. We need to understand that we are responsible towards students and beginners and we need to provide correct learning material to them.

 

I again appreciate your email and hope that open communication like this will improve the forum. You are an old contributor of this forum and know the forum very well, so even criticism from you will always be welcome.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:04 PM, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Punit ji,It is observed that mostly discussions on various topics, in this forum, are theoritical in nature, quoting references of authors, books, pages etc. Thus it is a test of bookish knowledge. Hence it sometimes leads to verbal battle among the members, which is unfortunate and shall be avoided.

My sincere request to the members having long practical experience in KP astrology, to kindly share their practical experiences. Please share your (senior KP astrologers) practical experiences - how you are rectifying Birth Time, success rate, how and when you use RPs, success rate, any new innovations made by you, success rate etc., etc., These will be much useful to the members especially learners of KP. This will never lead to verbal battle. What shri KSK, X, Y or Z said is not much important here. What they said is well written in their books. why to argue and fight on what they have written.

Henceforth theoritical discussions may kindly be stopped. Let us share our practical experiences only. Then individual practical experiences can not be questioned by any other member, nor can be commented negatively. It is upto the member to accept it or reject it (one's experience).

It is also observed that some criticism was made against 4 step theory, Khullar theory, MST., etc. It is very bad culture. If you (members) like/believe it follow it or keep quiet. why to creticise. We are all human beings hacving different believes and convictions. One believes astrology and one does not. Even believers of astrology also, follow different astrologies. Is it correct to say that your are right and others are wrong. It is foolishness.

All the theories, all different astrologies, all sciences, exist and are being practiced. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST. Time will decide. Hope I am understood by the members in the correct perspectiveThanks & Regards.

Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.comTuesday, 18 August, 2009, 12:04 AM

 

 

Dear Sujata ji,

 

What is the source of this theory? The nature of theory seems non-KP to me and hence the curiosity to know the source.

 

As correctly pointed out by Bhaskar ji, if we start taking RP by conjunction in the birth chart, we will end up almost all the planets as RP. These theories seem good for justification as one can have more options, but seems to have little or no predictive value.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:38 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith and PuneetWhen horoscopes are matched for marriage, or 5th csl for birthstar of the 1st child, we do take into consideration , the relevant planets or RPs conjuntion with the planet in the natal horoscope for judging it to be correct, so Adithi is right in tn his conclusion

RegardsSujata

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Monday, 17 August, 2009 7:13:35 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

But No comments!

 

Regards

Adith

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

I believe that majority of KP astrologers will not agree to your point one. Also I doubt there will be any reference in any KP literature to this rule (use of conjunction in natal chart in RP). Not only related to RP, I doubt we will see something similar even for transit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM

Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM

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Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.com

Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.

Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com

> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know

> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> > > >Dear Bhargav,> > This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ?

> > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.> > GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com

> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.

> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >

> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it....> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !

> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.

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Dear friends,

 

When we talk about the correct sub for a cusp and adjustment therof, I have an observation.

When we talk about sub ,we should examine the star first.Stars like Sat, Jup Rahu ,Venus do no change rapidly w.r.t time. shifting cusp would have a bearing on the birth time adjustment running into several minutes. Caution needs to be exercised..

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Tue, 8/18/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 8:35 AM

Mr. Rajendra Nimje in Free KPE-zine May 2008Another reference is also found in the KP Third Reader on page 118 third paragraph as shown below: "Note the sublord of the sixth cusp. This needs correct moment of birth. If it is not available then if you want to know the sub of the sixth, you take the ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge to put the query. Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the next sub to the one which you have to select." Hence, the use of RPs for correcting the sub of any house has followed Guruji's method and not deviated from the KP principles which are the main concern for the author.In order to get the correct sublord for the required cusp, in my opinion the birth time correction needs to be carried out and further analysis is to be done with the corrected birth chart.Another view (4 step theory) is not to undertake the birth time rectification, in

other words not to recast the horoscope again, in such cases and to correct only the required sublord because when one judges the other matter of the same native then again one will confirm the related cuspal sublord.Finally I would like to mention that Guruji has used the RPs for various purposes and not in a restrictive manner. The ruling planets usage is the master key to the KP and Guruji has also used it even for conformation of the past events (A & A Dec. 1968 P.31- Horoscopy..) . There are very divergent views on the RP usage among KP followers.Dr. Andrew Dutta in Free KPE-zine May 2008In Astrology & Athrishta monthly magazine of 1970 January issue (Vol. 8 No. 1), in the article titled `Astrology and Disease' authored by K.S.K on page 27 second column second paragraph, also in the KP Third Reader: Predictive Stellar Astrology, Old Edition like 1984, part 2, page 118, 3rd paragraph and New Edition like 1995, 2004,

page 281, 2nd paragraph, we find the following words said by Guruji KSK."Note the sublord of the sixth (6th) cusp. This needs correct moment of birth. If it is not available, then if you want to know the sub of the sixth, you take ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge to put the query. Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the next sub to the one which you have to select." In my understanding, in "If it is not available, then if you want to know the sub of the sixth, you take ruling planets at the moment when you have the urge to put the query". , "What is not available" refers to birth time. Logically therefore, we can understand that only in such situations where the querist himself raises doubt about the correctness of his own birth time, only then should we resort to the use of the divine RPs in order to resolve the doubts, and "Mysteriously God will help you by eliminating the previous and the

next sub to the one which you have to select". A similar view was expressed by Sri K. Baskaran in his book Secrets of R.P. & The Birth Time (1999) in page 10 point number 2 that:"Unless the client raises specific doubts in his birth-time, we need not attempt unnecessarily to correct the birth-time at all. However, it is better to check his birth-horoscope by taking the RPs……Like this we should practice the art of relating all the twelve bhavas with the present position of the Moon." I would like to end this rejoinder with a quotation of Sri K. Baskaran in his book Secrets of R.P. & The Birth Time, page 15, point 11:"In my little experience, I have come across young KP astrologers, who do not hesitate to change SUBs of certain cuspal points. Without detailed study, these young KP astrologers, with a subjective outlook, never afraid to change their horoscopes frequently by changing SUBs of certain bhavas according

to their whims and fancies. This is not advisable. It is irrational and undoing of the scientific approach of KP. Only because our predictions fail often, it is not reasonable to jump to the conclusion that the birth time is wrong". @gro ups.com, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...> wrote:>> dear punit,> the technique used by me for RP is the teaching of KSK> pl.refer reader no.3,page 118,heading "DISESASE"> wherein KSK quotes:> > 'Note the sublord of 6th cusp(which is under> consideration) .This needs correct moment of birth.If it is not available,> then if you want to know the sub of the sixth,you take the ruling planets at> the moment> when you have the urge to put the

query.Mysteriously God will help you by> eleminating the previous and the next sub to the one which you have to> select"> My Guruji Late Hasbe was following the same technique as he was direct> follower of KSK. KSK was given him permission to translate readers in local> language...this is for the information.> > i hope now direction of the thread is on right track> -sunil gondhalekar> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Rath ji,> >> > I agree with your saying that "There is no conjunction of these planets at> > the time of finding out the ruling Planets. Hence Mars cannot be taken as an> > associate of the RPs." Conjunction of planets in Natal chart should not be> > used for finding RP at the time of judgement, in my opinion.> >> >

Though tallying all the RP at the time of judgement with all RPs at the> > time of birth doesn't seem correct to me. *RP works in question-answer> > fashion. This is one very very important learning in my opinion related to> > RP. *You need to ask RP what you want to know. As the possible time-span> > falls almost in Aries, there was no need to question lagna from RP. We> > should have asked for Ascendant Sub lord and then RPs would have revealed> > more clear answer. More clear question you will put to RP, more clear answer> > you will get. Like Horary, clarity of mind (in terms of question) is very> > important in application of RP.> >> > Due to this question-answer behavior of RP, RP don't reveal just the birth> > time but everything. Sunil ji's application of RP seems better to me where> > he requests RP for sub for the house under

consideration. For example, in> > the present quiz, he fixes sub-lord of 7th cusp (and not the birth> > ascendant) using RP. Why? Because, he wanted to know 7th CSL and not the> > ascendant, as the quiz was related to marriage.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>wrote:> >> >> [Attachment( s)<http://mail. google.com/ mail/?ui= 2 & view=js & name=js & ver= dhoNEGyIrDA. en. & am=!75bEz2Ep7uO5TfXmwd A-Qj5wRYGRSm_ A9mOomYEIGg# 12326b7ce5f7ca31 _TopText> from Luther Rath included below]> >>> >> Dear Adithji,> >> I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not

mind for the> >> adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the> >> attachment.> >> Regards.> >> Dr. Rath> >>> >> ------------ --------- ---------> >> ** adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> >> *To:* @gro ups.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> >>> >>> >> DEAR DR. RATH JI,> >>> >> NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!> >>> >> BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!> >>> >> ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:> >>>

>> A) *Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?*> >>> >> Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."> >>> >> reproduced here...> >> *//**There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).> >> So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with> >> Sun, the RP).//*> >> hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be> >> seen).> >>> >> B) //*If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon> >> star lord. So it matches.> >> IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except> >> Sat is in Moon star*.//> >>> >> *You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is> >> supposed to be in Moon

star only".*> >>> >> Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It> >> means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon> >> star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.> >>> >> C) *SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of> >> Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!*> >> What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to> >> the Asc. Natal?> >> NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that> >> itself is ok.> >>> >> *We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for> >> their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign> >> lord and the time frame is also given, the options

are within the stars in> >> Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper> >> study and explantion fhas been made.*> >>> >> If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the> >> Moon's corulers in RP.> >> This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.> >>> >> Hope the above answers your questions!> >>> >> Regards> >> Adith> >>> >> www.thebestastro. com <http://www.thebesta stro.com/>> >>> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther<rathluther@ ...>> >> > wrote:> >>> >>>> >>> [Attachment( s)<http://mail. google.com/ mail/?ui= 2 & view=js & name=js & ver= dhoNEGyIrDA. en. & am=!75bEz2Ep7uO5TfXmwd Q2QuCSwADuk1DZZM mNy94oJA# 12321b3e930168f3 _TopText> from Luther Rath included below]> >>>> >>> Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested> >>> members,> >>> I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants> >>> with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by> >>> all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for> >>> benefit of all.> >>> Yours.> >>> Dr. Rath> >>>> >>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>> ** Senthil

<athi_ram <athi_ram@.. .>>> >>> *To:* @gro ups.com <@gro ups.com>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM> >>> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1> >>> Attachment]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Members,> >>>> >>> I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal> >>> work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to> >>> submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the> >>> given birth chart.> >>>>

>>> As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right> >>> time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file> >>> (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with> >>> summary in the last page for the member's discussion.> >>>> >>> GOOD LUCK!> >>>> >>> Thanks> >>>> >>> D.Senthil> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> --- On *Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >* wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >>> Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> @gro ups.com> >>>> >>> Cc: "tw853"

<tw853 >> >>> Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM> >>>> >>> Dear TW,> >>> That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your> >>> latest *invention.. . !*> >>> * Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with> >>> any "urge"...! !*> >>> * *You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where *whenever a> >>> number is given,there should be a genuine* *urge...at the time of giving> >>> the number*,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P.> >>> Astrologer.. .> >>> RPs are Ruling Planets* any given moment of time*...that> >>> is ALL*....*> >>> * **How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling> >>> Planets at Birth. ?*> >>> I guess you as an old hand at K..P.,

ahould exercise more> >>> care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P.> >>> enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional> >>> Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by> >>> seniors like you...> >>> I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting> >>> them ...> >>> Yogesh Lajmi> >>> GOOD LUCK !> >>>> >>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>> ** tw853 <tw853 >> >>> *To:* @gro ups.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM> >>> *Subject:* Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>> >>> Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,> >>> Since Ruling Planets will vary from

person to person, depending on the> >>> place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support> >>> to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be> >>> reliable such kind of technique.> >>> Thanks and regards,> >>> tw> >>>> >>> @gro ups.com<http://us.mc320. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=% 40. com>,> >>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> >>> > I have begun to think that such> >>> "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools> >>> of Traditional Astrology

and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P.,> >>> albeit,on the sly and not openly...> >>> > Particularly I suggest you to,as much> >>> as possible as you have a large client base...> >>> > With the very best wishes,and kind> >>> regards,> >>> > Yogesh Lajmi.> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >>> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> >>> > @gro ups.com<http://us.mc320. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=% 40. com>> >>> > Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi

<lyrastro1@ ..>> >>> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> >>> > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > dear lajmiji,> >>> > such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> >>> > i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who> >>> > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> >>> > he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> >>> > the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> >>> > his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini)> >>> ...again i asked> >>> > whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the>

>>> chair and asked> >>> > me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> >>> >> >>> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> >>> > it happens many times.... try this...> >>> > -sunil gondhalekar> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >>> wrote:> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >Dear Bhargav,> >>> > > This is a very simple exercise,you can do> >>> everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> >>> > > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering> >>> from the "guide syndrome" ?> >>> > > With best

wishes,> >>> > > Yogesh Lajmi.> >>> > > GOOD> >>> LUCK !> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >>> > Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> >>> > >> >>> > >@gro ups.com> >>> > >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >>> > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >Dear Sir,> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an example.> >>> > >Which will be helpful for learners like

me.> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >Pranams.> >>> > >Bhargav.> >>> > >> >>> > >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >>> > >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> > >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>> > >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>Dear

MEMBERS,> >>> > >> Here's a method of stunning a person who> >>> comes to consult you...> >>> > >> You could him tell him his Birth> >>> Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >>> > >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his> >>> clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were> >>> sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter> >>> surprise of the client....> >>> > >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins> >>> consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard> >>> Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the> >>> signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the

Birth> >>> Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently,> >>> without even looking at the horoscope... !> >>> > >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can> >>> help you perform...> >>> > >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for> >>> nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the> >>> sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> > >>> >>> > >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations> >>> at this site,please. .> >>> > >>> >>> > >> With the very best wishes,> >>> > >> Yogesh Lajmi.> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>

>>> > >___________ _________ _________ ___> >>> > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet> >>> Explorer 8.> >>> > >> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > >>

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Dear Adithji,

I believe you should have the urge to do it. When you have an urge review my analysis with my RPs and try to confirm your RBT. Let it be a review of my work. that is all. It is your will and pleasure. It is just for the interest of the group to know that all astrologers can arrive at the same answer, even if they are at different parts of the world. Hope you understand my point.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:36:09 AMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Luther Ji,

 

I do understand this.

But rectification of birth time with other Astrologer's RPs may not be worth , I hope. For this I should have the urge and check again for the current RPs to help me.

 

No two Astrologers will have the similar urge, similar interpratation and asnwer. When the RPs are not similar, may be the the answer too.

 

Even for a known Rule of simple event we could find the difficulties in finding the timing, whreras the BTR is not having any authentic rule/procedure. Hence it needs a lot of practical study and the feedback on the predictions we give. With due Regards

Adith

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

Never mind.

I requested you because the initiator of the quiz, Mr. Senthil, had in his mind to find out whether all the sets of the RPs point to a particular time (RBT). It is expected to happen so. Every one's judgment ought to arrive at the same (correct) answer.

Thanks.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comMonday, August 17, 2009 8:55:28 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

Dear Dr. Luther ji,

 

 

I am not at all getting annoyed! Come on!

 

With regard to your Question:

 

How can I do that with your RPs ?

 

I had the urge to rectify , I started with the help of RPs and also other points. Thats it.

 

I am afraid I am unable to help in this with you!

 

With Regards

Adith

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am very happy to see your message with explanation.

I am almost convinced with your understanding.

Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.

You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.

Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -

 

Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn

Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.

Day lord : Moon.

Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by using my RPs? Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find the RBT.

Thanking you.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

 

 

Monday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

Dear Dr. Rath ji,

 

 

Thanks for your effort!

 

1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it can also be considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all times all planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connected to the NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planet will also play a role! It will, according to me.

 

2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the star of SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant's Sub should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal. Right?

Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON' star Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX the AScendant for the Native.!

 

3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Asc sub is Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!

 

If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).

But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUB lord. As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is more than MOON.

 

Regards

Adith

 

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

 

 

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

 

 

 

Dear Adithji,

I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mind for the adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the attachment.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

 

 

 

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

 

 

 

 

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

 

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

 

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

 

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

 

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

 

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

 

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

 

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

 

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

 

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

 

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

 

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

 

Hope the above answers your questions!

 

Regards

Adith

 

www.thebestastro. com

 

 

 

 

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Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >

 

 

@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

 

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

 

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

 

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

 

 

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

>> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

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Dear Bhaskarji,

What I understand from your message is that different astrologers at different places and at different times can arrive at the same answer when they work under an urge.

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Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:08:38 PM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Luther ji and Adith ji,This is right that on a Group like this if we ask simultaneously manyastrologers to check the RP's for one chart and give their inputs, theymay not match . Testing purpose without a strong cause does not helpmuch for acquiring the right inferences. And Providence too has betterwork rather than to help a single person all the time through variousastrologers in such a small frame of time.I remember I had taken my own chart to two different astrologers ondiffernt years, and both of them checked the RP's at time of judgementwhich was matching my Chart. I myself too had checked this on a seperatetime and found it to be exact. (One astrologer was Guruji Suresh Sahasneand the other was a renowned KP Professor of Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan,Bombay).When I meet a astrologer and show him my chart, I have a "urge" to"know". Similiarly the astrologer has a urge too to "

know " and reachthe truth. In such cases providence helps, but in all other cases, thehelp may not be forthcoming in the rquired levels.I sincerely hope, that some senior astrologer is able to tabulate allthe rules for the "Ruling Planets" to help all, so that confusions arenot created.best wishes,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, "adith kasinath.g.k"<gkadithkasinath@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Luther Ji,>> I do understand this.> But rectification of birth time with other Astrologer's RPs may not beworth> , I hope. For this I should have the urge and check again for thecurrent> RPs to help me.>> No two Astrologers will have the similar urge, similar interpratationand> asnwer. When the RPs are

not similar, may be the the answer too.>> Even for a known Rule of simple event we could find the difficultiesin> finding the timing, whreras the BTR is not having any authentic> rule/procedure. Hence it needs a lot of practical study and thefeedback on> the predictions we give.>> With due Regards> Adith> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:>> >> >> > Dear Adithji,> > Never mind.> > I requested you because the initiator of the quiz, Mr. Senthil, hadin his> > mind to find out whether all the sets of the RPs point to aparticular time> > (RBT). It is expected to happen so. Every one's judgment ought toarrive at> > the same (correct) answer.> > Thanks.> > Dr. Rath> >> >> >> > ------------ ---------

---------> > ** adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 8:55:28 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> >> >> > Dear Dr. Luther ji,> >> > I am not at all getting annoyed! Come on!> >> > With regard to your Question:> >> > *How can I do that with your RPs ?*> >> > I had the urge to rectify , I started *with the help of RPs and alsoother> > points*. Thats it.> >> > I am afraid I am unable to help in this with you!> >> > With Regards> > Adith> >> >> >> > On Mon, Aug 17,

2009 at 7:48 PM, Luther Rath rathluther rathluther@ ...> > > wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Adithji,> >> I was afraid thinking you would have been anoyed with me. I am veryhappy> >> to see your message with explanation.> >> I am almost convinced with your understanding.> >> Now i would request to do some thing more. Hope you will cooperate.> >> You have fixed the RBT at 16-21-25 Hrs. OK.> >> Ruling planets obtained by me are as follows: -> >>> >> Ascendant : Sun-Venus-Saturn> >>> >> Moon RPs: Mercury-Moon- Mercury.> >>> >> Day lord : Moon.> >>> >> Can you please try to justify the birth time fixed by you by usingmy RPs?> >> Supposing we were sitting together here at Berhampur to find

theRBT.> >>> >> Thanking you.> >>> >> Dr. Rath.> >>> >> ------------ --------- ---------> >> ** adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath gkadithkas inath >> >> >> *To:* @gro ups.com @gro ups.com> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 5:51:30 PM> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Dr. Rath ji,> >>> >> Thanks for your effort!> >>> >> 1. SUN the RP is conjoined with MARS in Natal chart , hence it canalso be> >> considered an associate of SUN for fixing the BT. Pl note all

timesall> >> planets will not play thier role directly. When the RP is connectedto the> >> NATAL chart, why not the RP's conjunction with the other Planetwill also> >> play a role! It will, according to me.> >>> >> 2. In the Natal Chart , the Ascendant Sub lord (SUN) is in the starof> >> SATURN. As per rule that normally everyone follows, The ascendant'sSub> >> should be connected to the Moon's star or sign lord. in the Natal.Right?> >> Here If the sub is SUN , its star Lord is SATURN who is the MOON'star> >> Lord. So there is a relation. HOPE we are discussing to FIX theAScendant> >> for the Native.!> >>> >> 3. If the 5th CSL is MOON : Dear Sir, I never said since the Ascsub is> >> Sun, the 5th SUb should also be SUN. !!> >>>

>> If it was MOON , it strongly signfies 4,10,11,8,3 (No 5 or 2).> >> But If it is SUN, it is signfying 4,10 and also 5,7 through its SUBlord.> >> As it is said he has got a baby, the possibility of SUN is morethan MOON.> >>> >> Regards> >> Adith> >>> >> www.thebestastro. com <http://www.thebesta stro.com/>> >>> >>> >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Luther Rath rathluther rathluther@ ...> >> > wrote:> >>> >>>[Attachment( s)<http://mail. google.com/ mail/?ui= 2 & view=js & name=js & ver= dho\NEGyIrDA.en. & am=!75bEz2Ep7uO5TfXmwd

Q2QuCSwADuk1DZZM mNy94oJA# 12326b7be440\5769_TopText> from Luther Rath included below]> >>>> >>> Dear Adithji,> >>> I have done some more thought on your study. Please do not mindfor the> >>> adversities. I fear if there is some thing wrong. Please find the> >>> attachment.> >>> Regards.> >>> Dr. Rath> >>>> >>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>> ** adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath gkadithkas inath >> >>>> >>>> >>> *To:* @gro ups.com @gro ups.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PM> >>> *Subject:* Re:

Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> DEAR DR. RATH JI,> >>>> >>> NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!> >>>> >>> BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!> >>>> >>> ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:> >>>> >>> A) *Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?*> >>>> >>> Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUNthe RP."> >>>> >>> reproduced here...> >>> *//**There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).> >>> So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars isconjoined with> >>> Sun, the RP).//*> >>> hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart canalso be> >>>

seen).> >>>> >>> B) //*If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who isthe> >>> Moon star lord. So it matches.> >>> IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturnexcept> >>> Sat is in Moon star*.//> >>>> >>> *You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say "Moon is> >>> supposed to be in Moon star only".*> >>>> >>> Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATALchart. It> >>> means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn isthe Moon> >>> star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.> >>>> >>> C) *SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the starLord of> >>> Asc. But you said I have not applied the

rule!!*> >>> What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP shouldmatch to> >>> the Asc. Natal?> >>> NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth,that> >>> itself is ok.> >>>> >>> *We have to look at the possible options within the given andcheck for> >>> their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Ariesthe sign> >>> lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within thestars in> >>> Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. butthe proper> >>> study and explantion fhas been made.*> >>>> >>> If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the sameas the> >>> Moon's corulers in RP.> >>> This can not be expected all times. But

it showed the clearer urgealso.> >>>> >>> Hope the above answers your questions!> >>>> >>> Regards> >>> Adith> >>>> >>> www.thebestastro. com <http://www.thebesta stro.com/>> >>>> >>>> >>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath rathluther rathluther@ ...> >>> > wrote:> >>>> >>>>> >>>>[Attachment( s)<http://mail. google.com/ mail/?ui= 2 & view=js & name=js & ver= dho\NEGyIrDA.en. & am=!75bEz2Ep7uO5TfXmwd Q2QuCSwADuk1DZZM mNy94oJA# 12321b3e9301\68f3_TopText> from Luther

Rath included below]> >>>>> >>>> Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants andinterested> >>>> members,> >>>> I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10participants> >>>> with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document tobe viewed by> >>>> all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feedback for> >>>> benefit of all.> >>>> Yours.> >>>> Dr. Rath> >>>>> >>>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>>> ** Senthil athi_ram athi_ram >> >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com @gro

ups.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PM> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1> >>>> Attachment]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Dear Members,> >>>>> >>>> I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my> >>>> personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i haveasked the> >>>> members to submit RP for their respective place when they puturge to> >>>> rectifty the given birth chart.> >>>>> >>>> As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this theright> >>>> time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached thePDF file> >>>> (RBT-Results. pdf) showing

the each members reply/analysisapporach with> >>>> summary in the last page for the member's discussion.> >>>>> >>>> GOOD LUCK!> >>>>> >>>> Thanks> >>>>> >>>> D.Senthil> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --- On *Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >*wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >>>> Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>> @gro ups.com> >>>>> >>>> Cc: "tw853" tw853 >> >>>> Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM> >>>>> >>>> Dear TW,>

>>>> That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be> >>>> your latest *invention.. . !*> >>>> * Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with> >>>> any "urge"...! !*> >>>> * *You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where *whenever a> >>>> number is given,there should be a genuine* *urge...at the time of> >>>> giving the number*,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by anygood> >>>> K.P. Astrologer.. .> >>>> RPs are Ruling Planets* any given moment of time*...that> >>>> is ALL*....*> >>>> * **How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling> >>>> Planets at Birth. ?*> >>>> I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more> >>>> care and caution before causing needless

confusion in the mindsof K.P.> >>>> enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are manyTraditional> >>>> Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon suchblunders...by> >>>> seniors like you...> >>>> I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting> >>>> them ...> >>>> Yogesh Lajmi> >>>> GOOD LUCK !> >>>>> >>>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>>> ** tw853 tw853 >> >>>> *To:* @gro ups.com> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM> >>>> *Subject:* Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>>> >>>> Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,> >>>> Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person,

dependingon the> >>>> place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs willnot support> >>>> to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinionhow will be> >>>> reliable such kind of technique.> >>>> Thanks and regards,> >>>> tw> >>>>> >>>> <http://us.mc320. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=% 40g\roups.com>,> >>>> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:> >>>> >> >>>> > Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> >>>> > I have begun to think that such> >>>> "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially sincesome

schools> >>>> of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun todebunk K.P.,> >>>> albeit,on the sly and not openly...> >>>> > Particularly I suggest you to,as> >>>> much as possible as you have a large client base...> >>>> > With the very best wishes,and kind> >>>> regards,> >>>> > Yogesh Lajmi.> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >>>> > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> >>>> > <http://us.mc320. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=% 40g\roups.com>> >>>> > Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ ..>> >>>> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> >>>> > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > dear lajmiji,> >>>> > such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise theperson.> >>>> > i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend'soffice,who> >>>> > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> >>>> > he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was boredwith all> >>>> > the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whetheryou know> >>>> > his birth

sign,he said yes... i told him your sign isMithun(gemini)> >>>> ...again i asked> >>>> > whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand upfrom the> >>>> chair and asked> >>>> > me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kpvidya...> >>>> >> >>>> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same asmithun-ardra.> >>>> > it happens many times.... try this...> >>>> > -sunil gondhalekar> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@> >>>> > wrote:> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >Dear Bhargav,> >>>> > > This is a very simple

exercise,you can do> >>>> everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you foranything...> >>>> > > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering> >>>> from the "guide syndrome" ?> >>>> > > With best wishes,> >>>> > > Yogesh Lajmi.> >>>> > > GOOD> >>>> LUCK !> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >>>> > Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>> >>>> > >> >>>> > >@gro ups.com> >>>> > >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >>>> > >Re: The Miracle that is

K.P....> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >Dear Sir,> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with anexample.> >>>> > >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >Pranams.> >>>> > >Bhargav.> >>>> > >> >>>> > >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >wrote:> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >>>> > >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>>> > >>To:

"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" tw853 >> >>>> > >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >>>> > >> Here's a method of stunning a person who> >>>> comes to consult you...> >>>> > >> You could him tell him his Birth> >>>> Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if heknows it...> >>>> > >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his> >>>> clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered theroom,they were> >>>> sitting

in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...tothe utter> >>>> surprise of the client....> >>>> > >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins> >>>> consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to theexact Standard> >>>> Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlordand the> >>>> signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will bethe Birth> >>>> Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently,> >>>> without even looking at the horoscope... !> >>>> > >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P.> >>>> can help you perform...> >>>> > >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for> >>>> nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and isin

the> >>>> sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >> Members are requested to try this out and inform theirobservations> >>>> at this site,please. .> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >> With the very best wishes,> >>>> > >> Yogesh Lajmi.> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >> >>>> > >___________ _________ _________ ___> >>>> > recommends that you upgrade to the new and saferInternet> >>>> Explorer 8.> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>

>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >>

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