The Miracle that is K.P....

August 16, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

1. These three pillars are defined on the basis of the important basic

principles mentioned by K. Hariharan in NOTABLE PERSONS & KRISHNAMURTI

PADHDHATI " , 1993, p. 9, 22-23.

/message/993 (Point 9 & 10)

2. They are only three, without any one of them there is no KP. If you have to

deduct or add any one, please let me know to discuss with logical reasoning.

3. RPs are excluded because KP can still exist without RPs.

4. I'm not against using RPs. What I'm saying is KP can be and being practiced

without RPs.

5. That is true that Shri KSK was the person who wanted to make astrology

simple, scientific, and systematic, and those changing RPs may not be always

reliable scientifically as mysteriously God may not alaways help any RPs user to

get the correct result.

Regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> I have few questions -

> 1. Who defined these thee pillars?

> 2. I do not understand why these are three and not two or four?

> 3. Why RPs are exculded?

>

> I understand that you want to use KP without RP and that is fine. But Shri

> KSK had his reasons for including RP and that is the reason he has given

> such exhaustive treatment to RP in his writing. Shri KSK was the person who

> wanted to make astrology simple, scientific, and systematic and still he

> included RP itself tells the story.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:32 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. There is not KP without any of the following 3 pillars.

> > (i) The constellational Zodiac of Hindu Astrology;

> > (ii) The idea of dividing the constellation in the mysterious

> > unequal Vimsottari proportion attributed to the venerable Sage

> > Parasara;

> > (iii) The Western Placidian cusps.

> > /message/993 (Pt 9 & 10)

> > 2. There is also no KP without application of the following basic rule.

> > " Planet is the source, constellation indicates nature of the result and the

> > SUB is the deciding factor whether the matter is favorable or not. "

> > 3. RPs are nothing to do with the above 1 & 2, which are the same forever

> > for KP (Krishnamurti Padhdhati) but RPs are changing for the same query for

> > different astrologers, and so KP can be practiced without RPs and are being

> > practiced.

> > 4. Our prediction may be wrong or accurate but on the KP principles, which

> > we'are to learn here.

> > 5. Making such kind of correct predictions is a different story, " I foresee

> > for you, a violent end within the palace. You will be menaced by poison, by

> > knife, and by bullet. Finally I see the icy waters of the Neva closing above

> > you. " made by Cheiro in 1905 in the Tsar Nicholas II's palace looking at

> > Rasputin's face; In early December 1916 Rasputin wrote the Tsar a letter, " I

> > feel that I shall leave life before January 1...if I am killed by common

> > assassins, ...you, Tsar of Russia , have nothing to fear,...if it was your

> > relations who brought my death, then no one of your family...will remain

> > alive for more than two years. They will be killed by the Russian peoples. "

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji & Friends,

> > >

> > > I earlier mentioned that there is divide on this topic and it is obvious

> > > again. Lajmi ji, Adith ji, Rath ji believes that " there is no KP without

> > > RP " . Tw ji believes that " RP is not any basic principle " . Sunil ji and Tw

> > ji

> > > mentioned that KP can be practiced without RP. I don't know who defined

> > > three pillars or four pillars, but that really should not matter. What

> > > should matter is " correct predictions " . If we make consistent correct

> > > prediction using RP, RP is the pillar. If we can not, RP is not the

> > pillar.

> > > " Correct predictions " should be the only criteria to judge astrological

> > > rules.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:24 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > Since RPs are neither one of three pillars of KP nor any basic

> > principle of

> > > > KP and they are just a supporting tool, KP is practicable without RPS

> > for

> > > > any one who is not relying on them.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > tw

> > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>, Luther

> > > > Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > If no RP there is no KP.

> > > > > Just like a Horary is question specific, RPs are also question

> > specific.

> > > > From single group of RPs all queries in a chart cannot be judged. When

> > one

> > > > sits down to judge one single question, the RPs at that moment will

> > reflect

> > > > the fructifying planets. One cannot expect those RPs to answer all

> > > > questions.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@>

> > > >

> > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>

> >

> > > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Suni Gondhalekar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > RPs role in confirmning the DBAS may be of less important in the

> > Natal

> > > > Chart analysis. But for the Horary, they play a vital Rule. Further, if

> > no

> > > > RP there is no KP.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Adith

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >dear adith,

> > > > > >RP are helpful for many angles.it can help you for

> > > > > >correcting relevent cuspal sub,confiming moon star,lagna star,

> > > > > >starting of anatara period if on border date etc.

> > > > > >i have applied it for many times but RP's are not always helpful

> > > > > >for every person at everytime. and thats why 4 step theory is

> > > > > >developed to avoid RP's help for cofirming DBAS.

> > > > > >-SUNIL GONDHALEKAR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >@gro ups.com, " adith kasinath.g.k "

> > > > <gkadithkasinath@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Namaskar!

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> As per your statement, the Moon's co rulers during judgment (not

> > the

> > > > > >> Ascendant's) are connected to the Native's Moon's co rulers.

> > Hence, it

> > > > is

> > > > > >> not necessary that only Asc. co rulers during judgment should

> > connect

> > > > to the

> > > > > >> native's Moon's.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> So the RPs during judgment/analysis will be connected to the RPs

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > >> Native.

> > > > > >> The native's Rasi lord and star may be Asendant sign/star lord or

> > > > > >> Moon'sign/star lord at the time of Judgement.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Thanks and Regards

> > > > > >> Adith

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:52 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > >wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > dear lajmiji,

> > > > > >> > such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the

> > person.

> > > > > >> > i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's

> > > > office,who

> > > > > >> > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.

> > > > > >> > he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored

> > with

> > > > all

> > > > > >> > the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether

> > you

> > > > know

> > > > > >> > his birth sign,he said yes.. i told him your sign is

> > Mithun(gemini)

> > > > ...again

> > > > > >> > i asked

> > > > > >> > whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > >> > chair and asked

> > > > > >> > me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya...kp

> > vidya...

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as

> > mithun-ardra.

> > > > > >> > it happens many times.... try this...

> > > > > >> > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@

> > >wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Dear Bhargav,

> > > > > >> >> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime

> > > > > >> >> you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...

> > > > > >> >> *TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from

> > > > > >> >> the " guide syndrome " ?*

> > > > > >> >> With best wishes,

> > > > > >> >> Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >> >> GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >> >> ** Bhargava Ram <gd26ram@>

> > > > > >> >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM

> > > > > >> >> *Subject:* Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Dear Sir,

> > > > > >> >> As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an

> > > > example.

> > > > > >> >> Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Pranams.

> > > > > >> >> Bhargav.

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> --- On *Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >*

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > > >> >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@gro ups.com>

> > > > > >> >> Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " <tw853

> > > > > >> >> Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Dear MEMBERS,

> > > > > >> >> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes

> > > > > >> >> to consult you...

> > > > > >> >> You could him *tell him *his Birth

> > > > > >> >> Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he

> > > > knows it...

> > > > > >> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients

> > > > > >> >> by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they

> > were

> > > > sitting

> > > > > >> >> in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the

> > utter

> > > > surprise

> > > > > >> >> of the client...

> > > > > >> >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins

> > > > > >> >> consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the

> > exact

> > > > Standard

> > > > > >> >> Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > >> >> signlord,* in which the Lagna at that time is transitting*

> > *will be

> > > > the

> > > > > >> >> Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord *....*you can inform most

> > > > > >> >> confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !*

> > > > > >> >> * That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can

> > > > > >> >> help you perform...*

> > > > > >> >> * * K.P. followers may apply the rules for

> > > > > >> >> nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is *stronger...

> > *(and is

> > > > in the

> > > > > >> >> sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> *Members are requested to try this out and inform their

> > > > observations at

> > > > > >> >> this site,please. *

> > > > > >> >> **

> > > > > >> >> With the very best wishes,

> > > > > >> >> Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >> >> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer

> > Internet

> > > > Explorer

> > > > > >> >> 8<http://in.rd. / tagline_ie8_ 1/*http:/ /downloads.

> > > > / in/internetexplo rer/>.

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2009

Dear Senthilji,

I have also selected Rahu as sub.And you too. The question was put so, to know your justification. I have given my justification for selecting Rahu. Now there is lot of controversy. The reason could be that I could not follow your line of thought. I could not catch actually what you wanted to find out. Kindly tell me whether I was in right path with right aim according to you. Please tell me also in what other way it could have been compiled. Please be frank. Interpretations may differ from person to person. It could have happened in this study. I have not attempted for fault finding. I tried to be quite impartial according to the information provided by the participants. The informations were not uniform in all cases. Kindly guide me or you may take up the job once you are free.

Thanks.

Dr. Rath

Senthil <athi_ram Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:25:11 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Dr.Rath,

Thanks for the report. You have asked one query

1."D. SENTHIL HAS FOUND SUN AND MOON. BUT INSTEAD HE FIXED IN RAHU SUB. WHY? "

I have already mentioned the rule cleary what i have followed.Once again i give below.

Rule

===

Birth ASC= RP Moo

Birth Moo = RP Asc

I have not found any MOO in the RP MOON position but RAHU is appearing.

if you see the RP MOO= SUN-VEN-RAH( R)-VEN (there is no MOON here. Please check)

Hence i have selected RAHU as sub. Moreover the Native's wife star in JUP so i have selected MOO as 7th CSL(at the same time the lagna CSL is RAHU) as it is occupied in JUP sign in Natal chart.

Hope i have clarified.

GOOD LUCK!

Thanks

D.Senthil

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]@gro ups.comSaturday, August 15, 2009, 9:37 PM

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

Dear Members,

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

GOOD LUCK!

Thanks

D.Senthil

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,> >> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to

consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....> >> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously

adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...> >> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).>

>>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. >

>>

August 16, 2009

Dear Pundit ji,

1. I am not disapproving the RPs. What I'm saying is RPs are changing and may

not be always helful to every body.

2. KP is useful and so I'm here discussing KP.

3. Regarding quizzes, Ron says that he has done quizzes in every group where he

participated to know which system gives the most correct prediction and finally

found the KCIL by Khullar is the one, which you can see in their research group

or Sandy's website, and whether to believe or not is another story.

Regards,

tw

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Your parameters to disprove RP doesn't look correct to me. This was a quiz

> where correct answer (correct birth time) is still unknown. But what about

> Natal, we have so many quizzes in the past, and had different answers. Does

> it mean that KP is useless? We also have horary quizzes, there we also get

> different answers. Does it mean Horary is useless?

>

> On the contrary, there was a quiz (quiz 7 -

> /message/24563), where all the

> correct answers were based on RP. All other methods like DBA and dasa

> failed. I was first one to answer (Adith ji can confirm this) because I was

> aware of my urge and clarity of mind. This time also Senthil ji requested me

> twice, but I didn't respond because of lack of interest.

>

> The point I want to make that if one will not use tool inside the given

> framework, one is bound to fail. Beauty of RP lies in understanding the

> application and applicability. *Quiz 7 seems a good enough proof of success

> of RP and failure of KP without RP*.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:34 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Santhil,

> > 1. This is so because the query is to BTR " 16:18 to 16:30 in between only " .

> > 2. Even in such case, as the " sublord is different " , I'm sorry to say that

> > it is useless for KP, which is the sublord theory only, nothing else.

> > 3. You can go on up to 100 cases to show that something will be the same.

> > To say something is not the same, it's enough to show 2 cases only.

> > 4. In your future study, as per the rules of study, you need to say what

> > are you going to study and what is your finding.

> > Good luck for further study!

> > tw

> >

> > <%40>, Senthil

> > <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tin Win,

> > > Â

> > > Even though the RP is different for all (if you compare 1:1) but all of

> > them have concluded that the same lagna sign & star lord for the birth chart

> > in queryÂ except the sublordÂ and this needs further study & discussion.

> > > Â

> > > Thanks

> > > Â

> > > D.Senthil

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 8/15/09, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > <%40>

> > > Saturday, August 15, 2009, 8:10 PM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Thanks to Santhil for his compilation that confirms the findings of Anant

> > Raichur, Sunil Gondhaleka, K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi, K. Baskaran, Narhari Khake

> > and three of us that Ruling Planets for the same case will vary from person

> > to person, depending on the place and time of judgment, and consequently the

> > result can not be the same.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18733

> > > Same Horary No..docÂ (in File section)

> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18708

> > >

> >

1.Yogeshâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦RBT16:\

05

> >

> > > 2.Santhil,Soul, Jul25,--- -Asc:Me-Mo-Ma,Mo:Su-Ve-Ra,-DL: Sa,RBT16: 30:07

> > > 3.VGR,â€¦â€¦â€¦Jul25,---Asc:Ju---Sa--Su,Mo:Su-Su-Ma,-DL: Sa (2nd time)

> > > â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦. Asc:Ju---Ju--Ra,Mo:Ju-Sa-Me,-DL: Ju (1st

> > time)

> > > 4.Sujata,Chandiga, Ju25,Ac:Saâ€ " Mo--Ju,-Mo:Me-Mo-Mo,DL: Su,RBT16: 24

> > > 5.Kalyan,Marapola, J26,Ac:Sa--- Ju------ , Mo:Me-Mo-----DL: Su

> > > 6.Adith,Salem, Jul 26---Asc:Ju---Sa--Me,-Mo:Me--Mo-Ra,DL: Su,RBT16: 21:25

> > > 7.Rath,Berhampurl, J27,Asc:Suâ€ " Ve--Sa,-Mo:Me-Mo-Me,DL: Mo,RBT16: 29:35

> > > 8.Ajai, Lucknow ,Jul27,Asc. :Ju---Sa---- -- Mo:Me-Ma------ DL:Mo

> > > 9.Satish,Kakinada, Ju28,Asc:Me--Ma--Sa,Mo:Ve-Ma-Ve,-- DL:Ma,RBT16: 15:49

> > > 10.Bohra, Jodhpur ,Ju30,Asc:Su---Ma-- Ju , Mo :Ju-.-Ra--Sa, -DL:Ju,RBT16:

> > 27:20

> > > Â

> > > @gro ups.com, Senthil <athi_ram@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dr.Rath,

> > > > Â

> > > > I have already posted the RP summary(RP for different place/time &

> > different astrologer when they try to rectify the birth time of a same

> > chart) to the forum for members discussion. The same is enclosed once again

> > for memebers reference and use.

> > > > Â

> > > > GOOD LUCK!

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Â

> > > > D.Senthil

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 8/14/09, Luther Rath rathluther@ .. wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Luther Rath rathluther@ ..

> > > > Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, August 14, 2009, 7:15 PM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Respected Lajmiji and TWji,

> > > > My due respects to both of you. I am not going to support or criticise

> > any one.I just want to express what I understand.

> > > > Let us accept 5 RPs without considering the sub0lord of Ascendant and

> > Moon at the moment.

> > > > 1. Star lord of Ascendant

> > > > 2. Sign lord of Ascendant.

> > > > Â Â Â The above two Ruling Planets are dependant on the time of the

> > day on which the particular astrologer judges, it also depends on the

> > latittude and longitude of the place of judgment.

> > > > 3.Star lord of the Moon

> > > > 4. Sign lord of Moon

> > > > Â Â Â The above two Ruling planets depend on the time and date of

> > judgment.

> > > > 5. Day lord. Day lord depends on the week day on which the issue is

> > judged.

> > > > If a particularquery is put forth before a group of astrologers, the

> > astrologers calculate and judge at their convenient time and when they have

> > an interest and urge. They may not belong to one place.

> > > > Hence according to me the Ruling planets will vary from person to

> > person.

> > > > Supposing one gets the planets in order of A, B, C, D, E. Another may

> > get it as C, A, E, B and D. The third may get as E, D, A, C and B.But all

> > may get only these planets in different order.

> > > > At present one of our members is working on this issue. Let us wait for

> > his findings keeping ourselves away from arguements.

> > > > With regards.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Cc: tw853 tw853 >

> > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 12:41:11 PM

> > > > Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear TW,

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â That RPs will vary from person to person

> > ,seems to be your latest invention... !

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Pl. get your facts right...RPs have

> > nothing to do with any " urge " ...! !

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where

> > whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of

> > giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P.

> > Astrologer.. .

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of

> > time...that is ALL....

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â How can the vary with people ? unless you

> > mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I guess you as an old hand at K..P.,

> > ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in

> > the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many

> > Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such

> > blunders...by seniors like you...

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I suggest,you verify facts

> > carefully,before posting themÂ ...

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >

> > > > tw853 tw853 >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM

> > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

> > > > Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the

> > place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support

> > to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be

> > reliable such kind of technique.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I

> > have begun to think that such " stunning " tactics need to be used more

> > often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their

> > followers,Â have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the sly and not openly...

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client

> > base...

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > With the very best wishes,and kind regards,

> > > > >

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh

> > Lajmi.

> > > > >

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ ..>

> > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM

> > > > > Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > dear lajmiji,

> > > > > such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.

> > > > > i quote the one incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who

> >

> > > > > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.

> > > > > he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all

> > > > > the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you

> > know

> > > > > his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini)

> > ...again i asked

> > > > > whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from

> > the chair and asked

> > > > > me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...

> > > > >

> > > > > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.

> > > > > it happens many times.... try this...

> > > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > >Dear Bhargav,

> > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â This is a very simple

> > exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you

> > for anything...

> > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are

> > you also suffering from the " guide syndrome " ?

> > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With best wishes,

> > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > >

> > >Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Bhargava Ram gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM

> > > > > >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Â

> > > > > >Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you illustrate with an

> > example.

> > > > > >Which will be helpful for learners like me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Pranams.

> > > > > >Bhargav.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > >> The Miracle that is K.P....

> > > > > >> " ALL MEMBERS " <@ gro ups.com>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, " tw853 " tw853 >

> > > > > >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Â

> > > > > >>Dear MEMBERS,

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Here's a

> > method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â You could him

> > tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y

> > if he knows it...

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Our Guruji's

> > daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/herÂ Birth Star...Â as he

> > entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help

> > one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The RPs at

> > the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously

> > adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help

> > you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord,Â in which the Lagna at that time

> > is transitting will be the Birth Star of the personÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the

> > horoscope... !

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â That is

> > the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â K.P.

> > followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node

> > is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the

> > node,as usual).

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>Â Members are requested to try this out and inform their

> > observations at this site,please. .

> > > > > >>Â

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With the

> > very best wishes,

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh

> > Lajmi.

> > > > > >>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >___________ _________ _________ ___

> > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet

> > Explorer 8.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 16, 2009

Respected Sir,

Thank you so much for your appreciation on the compilation.

But Sir, I apprehend, there may arise some mis-understandings or controversies on this issue. In such a case I would withdraw myself not from this study only but from the ones that come in future. I do not desire to be sandwitched. But sir, your appreciation is definitely a bonus for me.

Let us watch the reactions of other members.

With due respect.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:40:35 AMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Rath ji,

Excellent compilation.

Senthil ji, appreciate your efforts to initiate this study.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

[Attachment(s) from Luther Rath included below]

Dear all, the seniors, D. Senthilji, the participants and interested members,

I have finished the compilation of the BTR results of 10 participants with in my knowledge. I have attached a Power Point Document to be viewed by all. Kindly go through it and try to solve out and send your feed back for benefit of all.

Yours.

Dr. Rath

Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 7:00:33 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P.... [1 Attachment]

Dear Members,

I am unable to compile the results with rules properly due to my personal work etc and sorry for the same. Few days back i have asked the members to submit RP for their respective place when they put urge to rectifty the given birth chart.

As the ruling planets discussion is going on i thought this the right time to post for the member's discussion.So i have attached the PDF file (RBT-Results. pdf) showing the each members reply/analysis apporach with summary in the last page for the member's discussion.

GOOD LUCK!

Thanks

D.Senthil

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....@gro ups.com

Cc: "tw853" <tw853 >Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:11 AM

Dear TW,

That RPs will vary from person to person ,seems to be your latest invention... !

Pl. get your facts right...RPs have nothing to do with any "urge"...! !

You are mixing up Horary Astrology,where whenever a number is given,there should be a genuine urge...at the time of giving the number,which by the way,can be guaged/verified by any good K.P. Astrologer.. .

RPs are Ruling Planets any given moment of time...that is ALL....

How can the vary with people ? unless you mean Ruling Planets at Birth. ?

I guess you as an old hand at K..P., ahould exercise more care and caution before causing needless confusion in the minds of K.P. enthusiasts, and students,especially ...there are many Traditional Astrologers just waiting in the wings,to pounce upon such blunders...by seniors like you...

I suggest,you verify facts carefully,before posting them ...

Yogesh Lajmi

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, August 14, 2009 8:55:10 AM Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,Since Ruling Planets will vary from person to person, depending on the place and time of the querry and strength of urge, and RPs will not support to everybody at everytime, could you kindly give of your opinion how will be reliable such kind of technique.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Gondhalekar,> I have begun to think that such "stunning" tactics need to be used more often,especially since some schools of Traditional Astrology and their followers, have begun to debunk K.P., albeit,on the

sly and not openly...> Particularly I suggest you to,as much as possible as you have a large client base...> With the very best wishes,and kind regards,> Yogesh Lajmi.>

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:52:58 PM> Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> > > dear lajmiji,> such type of experiment is also done by me to surprise the person.> i quote the one

incident:one person visited in my friend's office,who > was a priest and follows navchadi puja's etc.> he was talking with me about his experience.. .. i was bored with all> the things and then think to surprise him.i asked him whether you know> his birth sign,he said yes... i told him your sign is Mithun(gemini) ...again i asked> whether he knows birth star.. it must be ardra... he stand up from the chair and asked> me how you know?...replied. . i have got some vidya....kp vidya...> > reason was nothing but the day the moon was same as mithun-ardra.> it happens many times.... try this...> -sunil gondhalekar> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> > > >Dear Bhargav,>

> This is a very simple exercise,you can do everytime you have a visitor who wants to consult you for anything...> > TRY IT OUT YOURSELF...or, are you also suffering from the "guide syndrome" ? > > With best wishes,> > Yogesh Lajmi.>

> GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhargava Ram <gd26ram (AT) (DOT) co.in> > >> >@gro ups.com> >Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:26:46 PM> >Re: The Miracle that is K.P....> >> > > >Dear Sir, > >> >> >As I am a learner in KP astrology can you

illustrate with an example.> >Which will be helpful for learners like me.> >> >> >Pranams.> >Bhargav.> >> >--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:> >> >> >>Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> >> The Miracle that is K.P....> >>"ALL MEMBERS" <@ gro ups.com> > >>> >>Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>, "tw853" <tw853 >> >>Monday, 10 August, 2009, 8:51 PM> >>> >>> >> > >>Dear MEMBERS,>

>> Here's a method of stunning a person who comes to consult you...> >> You could him tell him his Birth Star,straightaway. ..and he will be surprised,especiall y if he knows it...> >> Our Guruji's daughter used to stun his clients by telling his/her Birth Star... as he entered the room,they were sitting in...Knowledge of K.P., alone can help one do this...to the utter surprise of the client....>

>> The RPs at the exact time when he begins consulting you,look at your watch(previously adjusted to the exact Standard Time)...The RPs at that time can help you...The Lagna starlord and the signlord, in which the Lagna at that time is transitting will be the Birth Star of the person Rasi-lord ....you can inform most confidently, without even looking at the horoscope... !> >> That is the 'Miracle' that only K.P. can help you perform...>

>> K.P. followers may apply the rules for nodes,in case a node appears...if the node is stronger...( and is in the sign of a planet and is untenanted,take the node,as usual).> >>> >> Members are requested to try this out and inform their observations at this site,please. .> >> > >> With the very best wishes,> >> Yogesh Lajmi.>

>> > >> > >> >___________ _________ _________ ___> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. > >>

August 16, 2009

Dear Adithji,

I am so grateful for your elaborate explanation. The explanation was required not for me but for the group. I did not ask as Rath but as a member.

I was not aware that Mars was in conjunction with Sun. I have not cast your time chart. This conjunction did not appear in any other participant's data. May you make clear with in what orb these two planets conjoin?

Rule Means RP of Moon =rulers of Ascendant. "Rule is not followed" is not an adverse comment but an information only. Because some people think it is a rule, but I heve never agreed to it.

We do not know what is the correct birth time till now. so no one is correct nor no one is wrong. This was a study of application of RP in fixing RBT.

Thanks again. Please do not mind for the comments.

Dr. Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:26:00 PMRe: Re: The Miracle that is K.P....

DEAR DR. RATH JI,

NICE WORK DONE BY YOU!

BUT I WONDER THE FOLLOWING!

ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS ON MY POINTS:

A) Mars is not a RP, but how the Aries sign is fixed?

Check my report clearly, I have said "MARS is conjoined with SUN the RP."

reproduced here...

//There is a doubt of 12 minutes (appx. 3 degrees).So it must be within the Aries only.(In the chart Mars is conjoined with Sun, the RP).//

hence Mars also can be taken .(RPs relation with Natal chart can also be seen).

B) //If Sun is the sublord, Sun is in the star of Saturn who is the Moon star lord. So it matches.IfMoon is the sublord, it has no direct relation with the Saturn except Sat is in Moon star.//

You have said , the statement is confusing?? Becasue, You say " Moon is supposed to be in Moon star only".

Please note I have mentioned the star lord of Moon in the NATAL chart. It means if the SUN is the Asc. sublord, its star lord is Saturn is the Moon star lord." Not to get confused with the Moon rulers of RP.

C) SUN is the Day Lord and an RP. I have taken it as the star Lord of Asc. But you said I have not applied the rule!!

What is the Rule? You mean only the Moon's corulers of RP should match to the Asc. Natal?

NOt Required! If the RPs of judgement relate to the RPs of Birth, that itself is ok.

We have to look at the possible options within the given and check for their relationship with the RP. As we have confirmed that Aries the sign lord and the time frame is also given, the options are within the stars in Aries. And I have not taken Mars and Sun just for the sake. but the proper study and explantion fhas been made.

If so, you can see my RPs Asc. corulers, they are exactly the same as the Moon's corulers in RP.

This can not be expected all times. But it showed the clearer urge also.

Hope the above answers your questions!

Regards

Adith

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