Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

February 8, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ....." I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect.

Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect.

Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Dear Punitji

What I mean is sign based aspect with tighter orb within 3 degrees as in 4 step method.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:53 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect. Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect.

In fact, I use Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ....." I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Dear Punitji

If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect. Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ....." I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Dear Danabalan ji,Thanks for your detailed discussion on my Blind chart 3 though posted in this different thread but obsolutely related. I take up this as your Answer.Your answer is :Sun-Mercuy-Venus

Sun-Venus-MercuryThanksAdithOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji, Sign-based aspects cannot have orb, simply because there is no degree. For example, Saturn aspects 3,7,10. It means Saturn will aspect the planet in 3rd, 7th and 10th sign from the sign it is deposited. It is relative sign position. So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system.

Hindu conjunction and Western conjunction are quite similar and that is the reason, we apply similar concept for orb. But similarity between other aspects is not well known. Other Western aspects like trine, squire and semi-square etc. is not having any known similarity so it is difficult to apply Hindu aspect principles to Western aspect, in my opinion. In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect.

Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on cusps, Hindu aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

What I mean is sign based aspect with tighter orb within 3 degrees as in 4 step method.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:53 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect.

Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect.

In fact, I use Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 8, 2009

If that is the case, I would take Sagittarius lord and other significators of 2nd house as maraka. In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether both the cusps are falling in one sign or two different signs. What matters is 2nd house and 7th house and their siginificators. When we count house, we count from the ascendant. So marakas should be OK the way we calculate them, in my opinion.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect.

Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

Dear Punitji

8th house represents length of life. 8th to 8th is third house. Marakasthana 7 and 2 are 12th to 8 and 3. These are tradition concepts, sign based. Mr.KSK applied the same to KP. If 2nd cusp falls in first sign then the lagna lord and Maraka lord are same. In that case, whether the native will have short span of life?

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:02 PM

If that is the case, I would take Sagittarius lord and other significators of 2nd house as maraka. In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether both the cusps are falling in one sign or two different signs. What matters is 2nd house and 7th house and their siginificators. When we count house, we count from the ascendant. So marakas should be OK the way we calculate them, in my opinion. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect. Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ....." I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

I support the opinion of Sunaparanthaji.. The books give only some individual concepts or ideas. Those concepts cannot be accepted as rules unless they are tested. These new concepts and ideas are confusing the new commers. We have to present such ideas very carefully in the mean time.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 8:19:20 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha ji,This is a problem with the books like AstroSecrets. These books introduced too many concepts with conviction but without supporting examples. Shri KSK showed how to write on a subject like astrology with conviction and authority, and KSK followers adopted that writing style. But in case of Shri KSK, that conviction was always backed with many examples which is missing from these books. In my opinion, content of these books should be treated as 'ideas' rather than 'rules' and needs verification. If we have any follower of this rule in this forum, I would suggest to apply it on KPBC3 posted by Adith ji and check the validity. In my opinion that is the best way to test a rule. Once we have initial success, we can apply the rule on at least 100 charts programatically, as suggested by Twji and Rangarajan ji, and accept it as a rule if it passes the test at least with 80% success. Thanks &

Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Dear Adith jiThanks for yr ripened ideas in my issue.It is said to be the marriage is promised according to the lining up of 2,7 & 11. and the timing of marriage should be during the conjoined period of significators. There, no one can find out a rule from any KP text that the Marriage will take place during the DBA of 2,7, & 11.If it is so these Sub Lords should be treated as the significators of those cusps.The quotation I have given, is disclosed an idea of Sub lord should be treated as significators. That is the point I raised for more explanations as a part of the on going discussionSunaparantha

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009 4:33:23 PM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaprantha ji,It is not exactly happening all the times in the sensitive point of these 4-8-12 cusps sub lord. But they must be considered for such activities.But Signficators and the cuspal sublords to be analysed for these.It is like , a marraige happens in the period of signficators of 2,7,11. It is a general rule. But mots of the time, not all these significators play the role. Somtimes, 7 alone or 2 and 7, or sometimes 2 and 11 or 7,11.So we can not strict to the rule to be completed. Likewise, as KMS said, I feel it is not necessary that accident will happen only in these sensitive points alone.RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

Dear Sir,

365.2425 days per year ought to be corect. This has to be considered for calculation of Ayanamsa as well as for dasa period calculation. We have to accept the scientific data as far as posible.

Dr. Rath.

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 10:31:26 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear TinWinji

I have gone through the messages 2076/3018. It is a discussion whether to use 360 days or 365.25dats for the year. Mr.KSK put a full stop and recommended to use 365.25 days per year. Still 360/365.25 days controversy exists among the KP astrologers. Our Member Mr.Mohankumar still recommended to use 360 days per year. Whether to use 360 or 365.25 days is left to the astrologers to decide. I am convinced with 365.25 days per year.

Discussion and research are the intention of this KP group. There is no room for 'foul play'. You said that there is well established rules in KP. Can you list out what are the well established rules in KP. Whether the examples given in KP Readers are based on those well established rules. Can you give correct prediction with those well established rules in KP through quiz.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 7:22 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the possibleKP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi,Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in KM.Subramanium' s SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has includedhis name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a strongsignificator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. Ibelieve it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of KuppuGanapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the referenceeven through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's answer"Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience isauthority. Satyacharya' s statement in his Dhruvanadi is theauthority." when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of theorythat considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a flag inthis reference page of

the book, something should be discussed beforeand it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring the KPReaders. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by Guru jiKSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was approved byhim since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP Reader III.This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965 sincethe Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108. Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid. Time12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of 9 cusps1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp is thesame, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra Kumar in K.P. & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has no planetin its star, it's a strong significator of houses 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12as per the sub

rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to consider thisrule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as you'reaware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and KCIL(Khullar) using the sub sub lord links. Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success in theblind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make Ajoycrowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for instance,taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of thesecusps without having no planet in its star and signification of 9 byKetu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in the 1stblind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a significator of6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP of 1965Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V. TyagarajaIyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl

Woebcke, Michael McClain,Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence of aPlanet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group) in the2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without foul playlike our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018) Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Punitji> KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:> Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading"longevity of business partnership"> "On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Antharaand Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours thedesolation of partnership.> Here Anthara lord

Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercuryis also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and12th cusps." > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa BhuktiAntharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KPInterlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > Punit Pandey <punitp> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM> > > > > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and

Friends,> > That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' sInterlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for findingsingificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not thesignificators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan jithat "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result ofthe cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji'stheory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories arewelcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion tothe beginners and students. > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yetto get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is somereferences from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded asauthority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers toget better idea on what Dhanabalan

ji wants to communicate with thisnew theory. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>wrote:> > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicatethe nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternaryor human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shallgive job during its period? Should we include the star lord among thesignificators of X house? As far as I understand the significators arethe constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, theconstellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with anyof them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspectedby the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the

weakest ones.Will you kindly clerify?> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunaparantha> It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the presentKP Readers are correct.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > > @gro

ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> I too can agree with u both.> Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up anysecret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see thestrongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.> > > Sunaparantha> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > > > > > > > Dear Luther> You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the

sub isthe decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give theresult of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicatethe doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBSor Veterinary doctor. > Dhanabalan> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Luther Rath <rathluther>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of asignificator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled byVenus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lordrespectively; Moon

is also considered as asignificator of VII house.Am I right? KP?> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is thedeciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for themarriage to happen!> Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.> > Regards> Adith> > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu<kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Mr.Dhanbalan,> May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as staror sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which isoccupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 sothat it can give marriage during its period?> V.Krishnamurty>

February 9, 2009

Dear Punitji

1) I do not accept your statement “In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect.”

In almost all classic astrology, the planetary aspects are given. Planets see all the sign. The strength on the sign 2,6,11 may be meager, so neglected. But in practice we are taking only 100% strength aspect in tradition. I am reproducing the table from C.G.Rajan;s “Jataka kanitham-part II” page 9. All the aspects are taken for Shadbala calculation. I have seen similar table in BPSH and Jatagalankaram.

Planet aspects to sign: strength %

Sign

Sun

Moon

Mars

Mercury

Jupiter

Venus

Saturn

3

25

100

4

75

100

75

5

50

100

50

7

100

8

75

100

75

9

50

100

50

10

25

100

2. “So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system.”

On my observation, 50% of the traditional astrologers are using sign based aspect with 8 degree orb.

3. “Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on cusps, Hindu aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well.”

It is what Mr.KSK emphasized. KP Reader II is entirely based on western aspect. KP has no tradition aspect.. KP has only western aspect. Further, western aspect is Vedic Tajaka aspect. Tradition sign aspect in the KP is pollution.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:23 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji, Sign-based aspects cannot have orb, simply because there is no degree. For example, Saturn aspects 3,7,10. It means Saturn will aspect the planet in 3rd, 7th and 10th sign from the sign it is deposited. It is relative sign position. So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system. Hindu conjunction and Western conjunction are quite similar and that is the reason, we apply similar concept for orb. But similarity between other aspects is not well known. Other Western aspects like trine, squire and semi-square etc. is not having any known similarity so it is difficult to apply Hindu aspect principles to Western aspect, in my opinion. In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect. Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on cusps, Hindu

aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

What I mean is sign based aspect with tighter orb within 3 degrees as in 4 step method.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:53 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect. Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ......" I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star.. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are saying second house and seventh house, there should not be controversy. Houses can be relative as well. For example, in KP, we do take 12th from any " house " as negation to that " house " . In my opinion, just being relative can not be termed as sign-based.

Regarding your question " In that case, whether the native will have short span of life? " , I believe that, in KP, we judge promises by cuspal sub lord and not by significators. KP is very clear that one planet can give multiple results. The same planet can give marriage and divorce. Also in your example, owner of second house (Jupiter) will not be the only maraka. There will be occupants and the planets in the nakshatra of occupants also as Maraka. Occupants are planets in the Nakshatra of occupants are going to be different for first house and second house.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

8th house represents length of life. 8th to 8th is third house. Marakasthana 7 and 2 are 12th to 8 and 3. These are tradition concepts, sign based. Mr.KSK applied the same to KP. If 2nd cusp falls in first sign then the lagna lord and Maraka lord are same. In that case, whether the native will have short span of life?

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:02 PM

If that is the case, I would take Sagittarius lord and other significators of 2nd house as maraka. In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether both the cusps are falling in one sign or two different signs. What matters is 2nd house and 7th house and their siginificators. When we count house, we count from the ascendant. So marakas should be OK the way we calculate them, in my opinion.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect.

Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ..... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

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Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,My thoughts on this topic -1. My point was that the Hindu aspects are different from Western aspects and should be treated differently. Hindu aspects should be applied using Hindu aspect rules and Western aspects should be used with Western aspect rules. For example, Hindu aspects are not malefic or benefic. Whereas Western aspects are clearly marked as malefic and benefic. Another example, if we treat semi-sextile or Quindecise as the second aspect, we will make mistake.

2. For aspect on cusps, as I earlier mentioned, usage of Western aspects seems logical. Again I have not practically used Western aspect that extensively to comment. 3. As I mentioned in my last email, usage of Hindu aspect is not technically incorrect because sign-bases aspects are used with sign concept only. The word " pollution " doesn't look right because usage of Hindu aspect is not incorrect. Though there is no doubt that Western aspect goes better with the nature of KP.

4. Without any helping text by Shri KSK on the application of Western aspect in KP, we are left on our own to research and find out. Contrary to Shri KSK's writing style, we miss any examples on Western aspects in KP readers. That suggest that the research was underway and not concluded. We need to experiment ourselves and figure out the truth.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

1) I do not accept your statement "In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect."

In almost all classic astrology, the planetary aspects are given. Planets see all the sign. The strength on the sign 2,6,11 may be meager, so neglected. But in practice we are taking only 100% strength aspect in tradition. I am reproducing the table from C.G.Rajan;s "Jataka kanitham-part II" page 9. All the aspects are taken for Shadbala calculation. I have seen similar table in BPSH and Jatagalankaram.

Planet aspects to sign: strength %

Sign

Sun

Moon

Mars

Mercury

Jupiter

Venus

Saturn

3

25

100

4

75

100

75

5

50

100

50

7

100

8

75

100

75

9

50

100

50

10

25

100

2. "So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system."

On my observation, 50% of the traditional astrologers are using sign based aspect with 8 degree orb.

3. "Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on cusps, Hindu aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well."

It is what Mr.KSK emphasized. KP Reader II is entirely based on western aspect. KP has no tradition aspect.. KP has only western aspect. Further, western aspect is Vedic Tajaka aspect. Tradition sign aspect in the KP is pollution.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:23 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji, Sign-based aspects cannot have orb, simply because there is no degree. For example, Saturn aspects 3,7,10. It means Saturn will aspect the planet in 3rd, 7th and 10th sign from the sign it is deposited. It is relative sign position. So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system.

Hindu conjunction and Western conjunction are quite similar and that is the reason, we apply similar concept for orb. But similarity between other aspects is not well known. Other Western aspects like trine, squire and semi-square etc. is not having any known similarity so it is difficult to apply Hindu aspect principles to Western aspect, in my opinion. In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect.

Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on cusps, Hindu

aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

What I mean is sign based aspect with tighter orb within 3 degrees as in 4 step method.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:53 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect.

Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

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Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions.

To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .

RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ...... " I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star.. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

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Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95. " No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ..... "

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading " longevity of business partnership "

" On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps. "

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Saturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AM

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

Dear adith ji,

1. It's interesting whether any other capable KP astrologer has said

or applied like you've said:

"When we talk about the

Maraka or Badhaka, it should be only the Rasi and not not the Bava."

2. Are we going to read and

apply the KP SW (any one) print out of KP significators (grade A to D) according

to Placidus house system, which is one of three pillars of KP, in two versions,

i.e. normally for marriage matters and differently by Rasi for Badhaka,

Mararka while the 2,7 and 11 house significators are

the same for the native?

3. A little bit of reading may help to find that

in KP Badhaka, Maraka, Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based,

for instance:

1) KP Reader VI (any

Edition) pp 156-7;

2) C.R. Bhatt: Further Light

of Nakshatra Chinttamani pp 31, 158;

3) K. Hariharan: How to

Judge Longevity? pp 32, 68, 82;

4) K.P. & Astrology 2005 p 16

(Vijay Kumar: Father's Sickness, A KP Appraisal)

Thanks and regards,

tw

, "adith kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath wrote:>> Dear tw ji,> > Thanks for your points with many examples.> > In this , if you recall Ajoy's analysis on th Blind chart 1, he has said as> you noted, I have just reproduced below.> > //> *Dasha lord Mercury*> Mercury is maraksthanadhipati (2) in sub of badhakstan occupant (ven in 9)> which is also sub lord of 2 & 6.//> > Dear ji,> Mercury is in the sub of Venus. As Venus is posited in IX, Ajoy has said ,it> is the occupant of Badakasthana. But Venus is actually in the Xth Rasi from> Asc.,. When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be only the Rasi> and not not the Bava.> > Pls give your explanation on this.> > Regards> Adith> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >> > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the possible> > KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi,> > Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in KM.> > Subramanium's SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has included> > his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a strong> > significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. I> > believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of Kuppu> > Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the reference> > even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's answer> > "Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience is> > authority. Satyacharya's statement in his Dhruvanadi is the> > authority." when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of theory> > that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a flag in> > this reference page of the book, something should be discussed before> > and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.> >> > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring the KP> > Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by Guru ji> > KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was approved by> > him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP Reader III.> > This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965 since> > the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108.> >> > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid. Time> > 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of 9 cusps> > 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp is the> > same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra Kumar in K.P.> > & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has no planet> > in its star, it's a strong significator of houses 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12> > as per the sub rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to consider this> > rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)> >> > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as you're> > aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and KCIL> > (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links.> >> > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success in the> > blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make Ajoy> > crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for instance,> > taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of these> > cusps without having no planet in its star and signification of 9 by> > Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in the 1st> > blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a significator of> > 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP of 1965> > Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V. Tyagaraja> > Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael McClain,> > Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence of a> > Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group) in the> > 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).> >> > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without foul play> > like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018)> >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > tw> >> >> > <%40>,> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:> > > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading> > "longevity of business partnership"> > > "On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara> > and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the> > desolation of partnership.> > > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of> > 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury> > is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and> > 12th cusps."> > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti> > Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP> > Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Punit Pandey punitp@> >> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > <%40>> > > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > >> > > That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan's> > Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding> > singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the> > significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji> > that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of> > the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's> > theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are> > welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to> > the beginners and students.> > >> > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet> > to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some> > references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as> > authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to> > get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate with this> > new theory.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath rathluther >> > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Sir,> > > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate> > the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary> > or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall> > give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the> > significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are> > the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the> > constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any> > of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected> > by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones.> > Will you kindly clerify?> > > With regards.> > > Dr. Luther Rath> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM> > >> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunaparantha> > > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present> > KP Readers are correct.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > I too can agree with u both.> > > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any> > secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> > > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the> > strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the> > 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.> > >> > >> > > Sunaparantha> > >> > >> > >> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Luther> > > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is> > the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the> > result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> > > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate> > the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS> > or Veterinary doctor.> > > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:> > >> > > Luther Rath rathluther >> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sirs,> > > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a> > significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by> > Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord> > respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.> > Am I right? KP?> > > Dr. Luther Rath.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > >> > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the> > deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the> > marriage to happen!> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.> > >> > > Regards> > > Adith> > >> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu> > <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,> > > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star> > or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is> > occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so> > that it can give marriage during its period?> > > V.Krishnamurty> > >> >> > > >>

February 9, 2009

Dear Pandey if you use software by raichur, you can get Detailed KP chart, South style and also Tradinal North style chart.

raichur anant --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, 8 February, 2009, 10:23 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect. Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect.

In fact, I use Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ......" I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star.. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

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February 9, 2009

Dear Punitji

Some of Mr.Hariharan books deals with western aspects. There are western aspects in Astrology and Arista articles. Collecting all the examples based on western aspects from all the books and all the articles, we can have better idea about the usage of western aspects. We are not using seperating aspects and approaching aspects. If two planets are conjoined in one sign, the result will differ on fast/slow moving planet and which is before or behind the other and retrogradation.

Dhanabalan --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 6:22 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,My thoughts on this topic -1. My point was that the Hindu aspects are different from Western aspects and should be treated differently. Hindu aspects should be applied using Hindu aspect rules and Western aspects should be used with Western aspect rules. For example, Hindu aspects are not malefic or benefic. Whereas Western aspects are clearly marked as malefic and benefic. Another example, if we treat semi-sextile or Quindecise as the second aspect, we will make mistake. 2. For aspect on cusps, as I earlier mentioned, usage of Western aspects seems logical. Again I have not practically used Western aspect that extensively to comment. 3. As I mentioned in my last email, usage of Hindu aspect is not technically incorrect because sign-bases aspects are used with sign concept only. The word "pollution" doesn't look right because usage of Hindu aspect is not incorrect. Though there is no doubt that Western

aspect goes better with the nature of KP. 4. Without any helping text by Shri KSK on the application of Western aspect in KP, we are left on our own to research and find out. Contrary to Shri KSK's writing style, we miss any examples on Western aspects in KP readers. That suggest that the research was underway and not concluded. We need to experiment ourselves and figure out the truth. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

1) I do not accept your statement "In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect."

In almost all classic astrology, the planetary aspects are given. Planets see all the sign. The strength on the sign 2,6,11 may be meager, so neglected. But in practice we are taking only 100% strength aspect in tradition. I am reproducing the table from C.G.Rajan;s "Jataka kanitham-part II" page 9. All the aspects are taken for Shadbala calculation. I have seen similar table in BPSH and Jatagalankaram.

Planet aspects to sign: strength %

Sign

Sun

Moon

Mars

Mercury

Jupiter

Venus

Saturn

3

25

100

4

75

100

75

5

50

100

50

7

100

8

75

100

75

9

50

100

50

10

25

100

2. "So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system."

On my observation, 50% of the traditional astrologers are using sign based aspect with 8 degree orb.

3. "Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on cusps, Hindu aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well."

It is what Mr.KSK emphasized. KP Reader II is entirely based on western aspect. KP has no tradition aspect.. KP has only western aspect. Further, western aspect is Vedic Tajaka aspect. Tradition sign aspect in the KP is pollution.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 5:23 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji, Sign-based aspects cannot have orb, simply because there is no degree. For example, Saturn aspects 3,7,10. It means Saturn will aspect the planet in 3rd, 7th and 10th sign from the sign it is deposited. It is relative sign position. So Hindu aspects cannot have orb they way it is used in Western system. Hindu conjunction and Western conjunction are quite similar and that is the reason, we apply similar concept for orb. But similarity between other aspects is not well known. Other Western aspects like trine, squire and semi-square etc. is not having any known similarity so it is difficult to apply Hindu aspect principles to Western aspect, in my opinion. In Hindu astrology, not all planets aspects 2nd, 3rd and 4th sign from its sign which is quite different from Western aspect. Having said that, there is good scope of using Western aspect in KP. Especially, when we have to check aspects on

cusps, Hindu aspects will not be much useful. Unfortunately, application of Western aspects in KP is not as well documented as application of Hindu aspects. Hope with the time, we will learn and document application of Western aspect in KP as well. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

What I mean is sign based aspect with tighter orb within 3 degrees as in 4 step method.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:53 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Till the time we are applying sign-based aspects on rasi chart, we are good. I don't see any problem with that. KP chart in North Indian format is primarily a house-based chart, and applying sign-based aspects on that chart will be incorrect. South Indian format is sign-based format, so it gives us relative-sign position as well and there is no harm in using sign-based aspect. Similarly, regarding Badhak concept, we should use traditional rasi chart rather than KP Placidus cusp chart. If we will use Placidus calculation for finding badhak graha, it doesn't seem correct. I agree. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Punitji

I accept you. Sign based concepts to be discarded in KP. Still the marakasthana badhakasthana are giving confusion. These are sign based only. Sign based planetary aspects also to be discarded. Only orb based aspect and conjoin to be used including for Rahu/Ketu.

Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Please treat this email as an extension to what I said while discussing moon chart vs. ascendant chart. Trigon is a rasi based concept, whereas KP is a house based system. When we say 3-7-11 trigon, it means relative sign positions to each other. This is not a measurement of relative house position but the 'sign position'. Relative house position needs to be calculated from ascendant, otherwise it will be merely approximation. That is the reason, we cannot use trigonas in KP. When we use cuspal sub lord, which is based on placidus cusp calculation, with trigona - we are bound to make mistakes. This is the reaosn, in KP, Shri KSK removed concepts like Kendra, Trigona, Aapoklim and Panfar etc. which are all based on relative sign positions. To reiterate, we should not mix Nadi astrology, which is a sign based system, with KP which is a house based system. It doesn't means that Nadi system is incorrect. In fact, I use

Nadi system extensively and I find it very useful. But I feel that Trigon concept doesn't gel well with KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Adith

In astrology, there is no definite rule. It gives some information to approach the problem. Trigons are Naadi principle. According to this trigon concept, the marriage houses should be 3,7,11 Kama trigon. House 3 is veriasthanam. If there is no veria, how the man will satisfy that girl. How the wed-lock will continue. Logically the house number 3 is better choice than house number 2 for marriage.

For accidents, the first cuspal sublord should indicate 1,6,8,12. In the present case, Rahu has come as first cuspal sublord. Rahu represents Mercury. Mercury is house lord for 5,6,8 and posited in 12. Mercury is close to frist cusp with an orb of 8 degrees and represents first cusp also. Hence Rahu is significator for 1,5,6,8,12. It indicated the accident. Since it also signifies the house 5, it is relief from disease.

According to this trigon method, Venus,Mercury and Ketu have come as sublords. Whereas the accident occured in Sun dasa. Here Sun has not come as sublord. If I adjust the time to 9.00.03Am, 12th sublord is Sun, 8th sublord is Mercury and 4th sublord is Venus. So the accident must be in Sun dasa-Mercury bukthi-Venus Andhara or Sun dasa-Venus bukthi-Mercury Antharam.Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Dananapalan ji,The same is given in Astro Secretes II in Trigons and Certain Microscopic Minutes in KP by KudanthaiNathan.But it is not necessary that only 4,8,12 sub will jointly result in accident and also only during the transit of planets in the sensitive point .RegardsAdith

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Sunaparantha

Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... . ......" I am reproducing the explanation given by Prof.Vaithialingam of Salem in a monthly meeting held on 20-4-2008. He gave more explanation about trigons. I am restricting to your question.

4-8-12 trigon- accident.

Sublord of 4,8,12

4-Ragu

8-Saturn

12-Mercury

Snsitive point ; Rahu,Saturn, Mercury meeting point

Saturn sign-Rahu star-Mercury sub-> Aquarius 12-33-25 to 14-26-40 degree or

Mercury sign-Rahu star-Saturn sub-> Mithunam 10-26-40 to 10-33-20 degree

Dasa, bukthi, antharam: combination of Rahu, Saturn, Mercury

Saturn dasa-Rahu bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Rahu dasa-Saturn bukthi-Mercury Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Saturn bukthi-Rahu Antharam or

Mercury dasa-Rahu bukthi-Saturn Antharam or

At the same time, any one of Saturn,Mercury, Rahu should transit in the above sensitive point. At the same time sun and moon should also transit at that point..

1) Mithunam: Accident will occur Aani month(3rd tamil month), Thiruvathirai star. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

2) Aquarius: Accident will occur Masi month(11th tamil month), Sadayam star.. Sun and Moon will come there at that time

At what time?

Out of 12 lagnas, accident will occur at Mithuna lagna or Aquarius lagna.

(Here Marakasthanam and badhakasthanam need not be considered. In case of fatal only these are to be considered. For coma stage, Marakasthanam and Badhakasthanam may be considered but not compulsory)

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009, 9:48 AM

Namaskar,Can anyone of the participants of this discussion, make more explanation on the following, in Astro Secrets ii. Pg 95." No, the accident will occur only during the Dasa - Bukthi periods of the 4 - 8 - 12 Sublords.... ....."

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Sunday, February 8, 2009 7:56:56 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading "longevity of business partnership"

"On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps."

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Luther Rath <rathluther (AT) (DOT) . com> wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 2:00 PM

Dear Sir,

I do tatally agree to all what you state. Let KP not be adulterated. The new things or deviations may be marked as 'personal opinion' or 'under study' or any such indications. Other wise the students will be confused.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups..comFriday, February 6, 2009 11:28:32 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr..Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr..Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?V.Krishnamurty

February 9, 2009

Dear twji,

As you have mentioned " A little bit of reading may help to find that

in KP Badhaka, Maraka, Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based, for instance: "

It also included " Bhavatam-Bhava " aspects or only ascendant Bhava?

I mean to say 2nd to 2nd,6th to 6th as like also consider in KP.

If we consider 2nd and 7th Bhava as Maraka to native then 1st and 8th

should be consider as Maraka for 7th house karakas.

What Kp system says about it?

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear adith ji,

>

> 1. It's interesting whether any other capable KP astrologer has said

> or applied like you've said:

>

> " When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be only the

> Rasi and not not the Bava. "

>

> 2. Are we going to read and apply the KP SW (any one) print out of KP

> significators (grade A to D) according to Placidus house system, which

> is one of three pillars of KP, in two versions, i.e. normally for

> marriage matters and differently by Rasi for Badhaka, Mararka while the

> 2,7 and 11 house significators are the same for the native?

>

> 3. A little bit of reading may help to find that in KP Badhaka, Maraka,

> Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based, for instance:

>

> 1) KP Reader VI (any Edition) pp 156-7;

>

> 2) C.R. Bhatt: Further Light of Nakshatra Chinttamani pp 31, 158;

>

> 3) K. Hariharan: How to Judge Longevity? pp 32, 68, 82;

>

> 4) K.P. & Astrology 2005 p 16 (Vijay Kumar: Father's Sickness, A KP

> Appraisal)

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> , " adith kasinath.g.k "

> <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear tw ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your points with many examples.

> >

> > In this , if you recall Ajoy's analysis on th Blind chart 1, he has

> said as

> > you noted, I have just reproduced below.

> >

> > //

> > *Dasha lord Mercury*

> > Mercury is maraksthanadhipati (2) in sub of badhakstan occupant (ven

> in 9)

> > which is also sub lord of 2 & 6.//

> >

> > Dear ji,

> > Mercury is in the sub of Venus. As Venus is posited in IX, Ajoy has

> said ,it

> > is the occupant of Badakasthana. But Venus is actually in the Xth Rasi

> from

> > Asc.,. When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be only the

> Rasi

> > and not not the Bava.

> >

> > Pls give your explanation on this.

> >

> > Regards

> > Adith

> >

> > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the

> possible

> > > KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi,

> > > Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in KM.

> > > Subramanium's SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has

> included

> > > his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a strong

> > > significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. I

> > > believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of Kuppu

> > > Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the reference

> > > even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's answer

> > > " Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience is

> > > authority. Satyacharya's statement in his Dhruvanadi is the

> > > authority. " when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of

> theory

> > > that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a flag

> in

> > > this reference page of the book, something should be discussed

> before

> > > and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.

> > >

> > > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring the KP

> > > Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by Guru ji

> > > KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was approved

> by

> > > him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP Reader

> III.

> > > This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965 since

> > > the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108.

> > >

> > > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid. Time

> > > 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of 9 cusps

> > > 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp is the

> > > same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra Kumar in

> K.P.

> > > & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has no

> planet

> > > in its star, it's a strong significator of houses

> 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12

> > > as per the sub rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to consider

> this

> > > rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)

> > >

> > > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as you're

> > > aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and KCIL

> > > (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links.

> > >

> > > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success in the

> > > blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make Ajoy

> > > crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for instance,

> > > taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of these

> > > cusps without having no planet in its star and signification of 9 by

> > > Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in the 1st

> > > blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a significator

> of

> > > 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP of

> 1965

> > > Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V. Tyagaraja

> > > Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael

> McClain,

> > > Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence of a

> > > Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group) in the

> > > 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).

> > >

> > > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without foul

> play

> > > like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018)

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

> > > > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading

> > > " longevity of business partnership "

> > > > " On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara

> > > and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the

> > > desolation of partnership.

> > > > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord

> of

> > > 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this,

> Mercury

> > > is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th

> and

> > > 12th cusps. "

> > > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti

> > > Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP

> > > Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey punitp@

> > >

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > > <%40>

> > > > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan's

> > > Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding

> > > singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the

> > > significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji

> > > that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of

> > > the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan

> ji's

> > > theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are

> > > welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to

> > > the beginners and students.

> > > >

> > > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and

> yet

> > > to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some

> > > references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded

> as

> > > authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to

> > > get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate with this

> > > new theory.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath rathluther >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X

> indicate

> > > the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether

> veternary

> > > or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall

> > > give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among

> the

> > > significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators

> are

> > > the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the

> > > constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with

> any

> > > of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets

> aspected

> > > by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones.

> > > Will you kindly clerify?

> > > > With regards.

> > > > Dr. Luther Rath

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunaparantha

> > > > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present

> > > KP Readers are correct.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > I too can agree with u both.

> > > > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any

> > > secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.

> > > > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see

> the

> > > strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the

> > > 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

> > > >

> > > > Sunaparantha

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Luther

> > > > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is

> > > the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the

> > > result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

> > > > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate

> > > the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS

> > > or Veterinary doctor.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Luther Rath rathluther >

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of

> a

> > > significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by

> > > Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord

> > > respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.

> > > Am I right? KP?

> > > > Dr. Luther Rath.

> > > >

> > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,

> > > >

> > > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the

> > > deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for

> the

> > > marriage to happen!

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Adith

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu

> > > <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,

> > > > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as

> star

> > > or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is

> > > occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so

> > > that it can give marriage during its period?

> > > > V.Krishnamurty

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 9, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,"what it really boils down to is PERSONAL PREFERENCE - that is the bottom line - no matter WHAT numbers you use to cut the cards. My personal preference is to use 365.25 days – no matter "who says what", but this preference is based solely on my ability to successfully line up events and see things in a chart more clearly (for myself personally) using 365.25 rather than 360 days. Is it right? Who knows and who cares – as long as it works for me… So my point is that the bottom line is that we ALL need to use what WORKS for us as INDIVIDUAL astrologers, while simultaneously respecting the personal preferences of others.--- Sandy (Msg#2081)(Note: My apology for using "who cares" without knowing it hurts other but it is not hot air but cool one.)2. The well established KP rules are the rules written and applied in the six KP Readers.3. Ajoy has already given the correct quiz predictions by using these rules.4. For your barometer of quiz results, Khullar's KCIT System of Astrology may be an appropriate one. Each game or theory has its rules to be followed and your preferred KP stright line ayanamsa and True Node are used there. A cocktail of KP, Dr. Kar, KB, KCIT etc may not be a good idea without knowing which one is going in which way or direction.Regards,tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear TinWinji> I have gone through the messages 2076/3018. It is a discussion whether to use 360 days or 365.25dats for the year. Mr.KSK put a full stop and recommended to use 365.25 days per year. Still 360/365.25 days controversy exists among the KP astrologers. Our Member Mr.Mohankumar still recommended to use 360 days per year. Whether to use 360 or 365.25 days is left to the astrologers to decide. I am convinced with 365.25 days per year.> > Discussion and research are the intention of this KP group. There is no room for 'foul play'. You said that there is well established rules in KP. Can you list out what are the well established rules in KP. Whether the examples given in KP Readers are based on those well established rules. Can you give correct prediction with those well established rules in KP through quiz. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Sat, 2/7/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:22 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the possible> KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi,> Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in KM.> Subramanium' s SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has included> his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a strong> significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. I> believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of Kuppu> Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the reference> even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's answer> "Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience is> authority. Satyacharya' s statement in his Dhruvanadi is the> authority." when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of theory> that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a flag in> this reference page of the book, something should be discussed before> and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.> > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring the KP> Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by Guru ji> KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was approved by> him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP Reader III.> This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965 since> the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108. > > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid. Time> 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of 9 cusps> 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp is the> same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra Kumar in K.P.> & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has no planet> in its star, it's a strong significator of houses 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12> as per the sub rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to consider this> rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)> > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as you're> aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and KCIL> (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links. > > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success in the> blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make Ajoy> crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for instance,> taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of these> cusps without having no planet in its star and signification of 9 by> Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in the 1st> blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a significator of> 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP of 1965> Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V. Tyagaraja> Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael McClain,> Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence of a> Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group) in the> 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).> > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without foul play> like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018) > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:> > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading> "longevity of business partnership"> > "On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara> and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the> desolation of partnership.> > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of> 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury> is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and> 12th cusps." > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti> Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP> Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > Punit Pandey punitp@> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > > > That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s> Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding> singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the> significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji> that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of> the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's> theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are> welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to> the beginners and students. > > > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet> to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some> references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as> authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to> get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate with this> new theory. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate> the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary> or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall> give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the> significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are> the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the> constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any> of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected> by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones.> Will you kindly clerify?> > With regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunaparantha> > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present> KP Readers are correct.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > I too can agree with u both.> > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any> secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the> strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the> 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.> > > > > > Sunaparantha> > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Luther> > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is> the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the> result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate> the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS> or Veterinary doctor. > > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a> significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by> Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord> respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.> Am I right? KP?> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the> deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the> marriage to happen!> > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.> > > > Regards> > Adith> > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu> <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,> > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star> or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is> occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so> that it can give marriage during its period?> > V.Krishnamurty> >>

February 9, 2009

Dear TinWinji

I accept that you have done lot of home work to justify 365.25 days per year. I am not aware of your posting before I enter into this group in 2008. I started to learn KP in the year 2005. I got the KP original two volumes during 2005 from TKP Gopal. In Volume I, Mr.KSK gave detailed justification for 365.25 days. I convinced with his justification and I am using 365.25 days from 2005.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 2/9/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 7:40 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,"what it really boils down to is PERSONAL PREFERENCE - that is the bottom line - no matter WHAT numbers you use to cut the cards. My personal preference is to use 365.25 days – no matter "who says what", but this preference is based solely on my ability to successfully line up events and see things in a chart more clearly (for myself personally) using 365.25 rather than 360 days. Is it right? Who knows and who cares – as long as it works for me… So my point is that the bottom line is that we ALL need to use what WORKS for us as INDIVIDUAL astrologers, while simultaneously respecting the personal preferences of others.--- Sandy (Msg#2081)(Note: My apology for using "who cares" without knowing it hurts other but it is not hot air but cool one..)2. The well established KP rules are the rules written and applied in the six KP Readers.3. Ajoy has already given the correct

quiz predictions by using these rules.4. For your barometer of quiz results, Khullar's KCIT System of Astrology may be an appropriate one. Each game or theory has its rules to be followed and your preferred KP stright line ayanamsa and True Node are used there. A cocktail of KP, Dr. Kar, KB, KCIT etc may not be a good idea without knowing which one is going in which way or direction.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear TinWinji> I have gone through the messages 2076/3018. It is a discussion whether to use 360 days or 365.25dats for the year. Mr.KSK put a full stop and recommended to use 365.25 days per year. Still 360/365.25 days controversy exists among the KP astrologers. Our Member Mr.Mohankumar still recommended to use 360 days per year. Whether to use 360 or 365.25 days is left to the astrologers to decide. I am convinced with 365.25

days per year.> > Discussion and research are the intention of this KP group. There is no room for 'foul play'. You said that there is well established rules in KP. Can you list out what are the well established rules in KP. Whether the examples given in KP Readers are based on those well established rules. Can you give correct prediction with those well established rules in KP through quiz. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Sat, 2/7/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:22 PM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the possible> KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu

Ganapathi,> Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in KM.> Subramanium' s SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has included> his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a strong> significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. I> believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of Kuppu> Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the reference> even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's answer> "Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience is> authority. Satyacharya' s statement in his Dhruvanadi is the> authority." when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of theory> that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a flag in> this reference page of the book, something should be discussed before> and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this

Group.> > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring the KP> Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by Guru ji> KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was approved by> him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP Reader III.> This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965 since> the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108. > > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid. Time> 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of 9 cusps> 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp is the> same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra Kumar in K.P.> & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has no planet> in its star, it's a strong significator of houses 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12> as per the sub rule mentioned

above. Some may rethink to consider this> rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)> > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as you're> aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and KCIL> (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links. > > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success in the> blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make Ajoy> crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for instance,> taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of these> cusps without having no planet in its star and signification of 9 by> Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in the 1st> blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a significator of> 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP of 1965> Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V.

Tyagaraja> Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael McClain,> Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence of a> Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group) in the> 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).> > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without foul play> like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018) > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:> > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading> "longevity of business partnership"> > "On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara> and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the> desolation of

partnership.> > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of> 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh.. Besides this, Mercury> is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and> 12th cusps." > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti> Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP> Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > Punit Pandey punitp@> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and

Friends,> > > > That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s> Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding> singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the> significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji> that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of> the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's> theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are> welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to> the beginners and students. > > > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet> to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some> references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as> authority in KP. Let us wait for

some references from KP readers to> get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate with this> new theory. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate> the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary> or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall> give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the> significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are> the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants,

the> constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any> of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected> by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones.> Will you kindly clerify?> > With regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunaparantha> > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present> KP Readers are

correct.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > I too can agree with u both.> > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any> secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the> strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the> 7th or Strar Lord

of the CSL of 7th.> > > > > > Sunaparantha> > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Luther> > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is> the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the> result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate> the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS> or Veterinary doctor. > >

Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > Luther Rath <rathluther>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a> significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by> Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord> respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.> Am I right? KP?> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@

gmail.com>> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > > > > > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the> deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the> marriage to happen!> > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.> > > > Regards> > Adith> > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu> <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,> > May I know

whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star> or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is> occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so> that it can give marriage during its period?> > V.Krishnamurty> >>

February 9, 2009

, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear twji,

>

> As you have mentioned " A little bit of reading may help to find that

> in KP Badhaka, Maraka, Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based, for

instance: "

>

> It also included " Bhavatam-Bhava " aspects or only ascendant Bhava?

> I mean to say 2nd to 2nd,6th to 6th as like also consider in KP.

>

> If we consider 2nd and 7th Bhava as Maraka to native then 1st and

8th

> should be consider as Maraka for 7th house karakas.

>

> What Kp system says about it?

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear adith ji,

> >

> > 1. It's interesting whether any other capable KP astrologer has

said

> > or applied like you've said:

> >

> > " When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be only the

> > Rasi and not not the Bava. "

> >

> > 2. Are we going to read and apply the KP SW (any one) print out

of KP

> > significators (grade A to D) according to Placidus house system,

which

> > is one of three pillars of KP, in two versions, i.e. normally for

> > marriage matters and differently by Rasi for Badhaka, Mararka

while the

> > 2,7 and 11 house significators are the same for the native?

> >

> > 3. A little bit of reading may help to find that in KP Badhaka,

Maraka,

> > Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based, for instance:

> >

> > 1) KP Reader VI (any Edition) pp 156-7;

> >

> > 2) C.R. Bhatt: Further Light of Nakshatra Chinttamani pp 31, 158;

> >

> > 3) K. Hariharan: How to Judge Longevity? pp 32, 68, 82;

> >

> > 4) K.P. & Astrology 2005 p 16 (Vijay Kumar: Father's Sickness, A

KP

> > Appraisal)

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " adith kasinath.g.k "

> > <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear tw ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your points with many examples.

> > >

> > > In this , if you recall Ajoy's analysis on th Blind chart 1, he

has

> > said as

> > > you noted, I have just reproduced below.

> > >

> > > //

> > > *Dasha lord Mercury*

> > > Mercury is maraksthanadhipati (2) in sub of badhakstan occupant

(ven

> > in 9)

> > > which is also sub lord of 2 & 6.//

> > >

> > > Dear ji,

> > > Mercury is in the sub of Venus. As Venus is posited in IX, Ajoy

has

> > said ,it

> > > is the occupant of Badakasthana. But Venus is actually in the

Xth Rasi

> > from

> > > Asc.,. When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be

only the

> > Rasi

> > > and not not the Bava.

> > >

> > > Pls give your explanation on this.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Adith

> > >

> > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > > >

> > > > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the

> > possible

> > > > KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu

Ganapathi,

> > > > Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in

KM.

> > > > Subramanium's SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has

> > included

> > > > his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a

strong

> > > > significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal

sublord. I

> > > > believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of

Kuppu

> > > > Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the

reference

> > > > even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's

answer

> > > > " Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience

is

> > > > authority. Satyacharya's statement in his Dhruvanadi is the

> > > > authority. " when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of

> > theory

> > > > that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a

flag

> > in

> > > > this reference page of the book, something should be discussed

> > before

> > > > and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring

the KP

> > > > Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by

Guru ji

> > > > KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was

approved

> > by

> > > > him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP

Reader

> > III.

> > > > This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965

since

> > > > the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108.

> > > >

> > > > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid.

Time

> > > > 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of

9 cusps

> > > > 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp

is the

> > > > same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra

Kumar in

> > K.P.

> > > > & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has

no

> > planet

> > > > in its star, it's a strong significator of houses

> > 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12

> > > > as per the sub rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to

consider

> > this

> > > > rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)

> > > >

> > > > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as

you're

> > > > aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and

KCIL

> > > > (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links.

> > > >

> > > > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success

in the

> > > > blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make

Ajoy

> > > > crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for

instance,

> > > > taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of

these

> > > > cusps without having no planet in its star and signification

of 9 by

> > > > Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in

the 1st

> > > > blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a

significator

> > of

> > > > 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP

of

> > 1965

> > > > Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V.

Tyagaraja

> > > > Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael

> > McClain,

> > > > Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence

of a

> > > > Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group)

in the

> > > > 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).

> > > >

> > > > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without

foul

> > play

> > > > like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > <%

40>,

> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

> > > > > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the

heading

> > > > " longevity of business partnership "

> > > > > " On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury

Anthara

> > > > and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the

> > > > desolation of partnership.

> > > > > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the

sublord

> > of

> > > > 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this,

> > Mercury

> > > > is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th,

11th

> > and

> > > > 12th cusps. "

> > > > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti

> > > > Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called

as KP

> > > > Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the reason I said that we should call

it 'Sethunathan's

> > > > Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for

finding

> > > > singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are

not the

> > > > significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by

Dhanabalan ji

> > > > that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the

result of

> > > > the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems

Dhanabalan

> > ji's

> > > > theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new

theories are

> > > > welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any

confusion to

> > > > the beginners and students.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan

ji and

> > yet

> > > > to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is

some

> > > > references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't

regarded

> > as

> > > > authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP

readers to

> > > > get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate

with this

> > > > new theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath

rathluther >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X

> > indicate

> > > > the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether

> > veternary

> > > > or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp

shall

> > > > give job during its period? Should we include the star lord

among

> > the

> > > > significators of X house? As far as I understand the

significators

> > are

> > > > the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the

> > > > constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined

with

> > any

> > > > of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets

> > aspected

> > > > by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest

ones.

> > > > Will you kindly clerify?

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > Dr. Luther Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunaparantha

> > > > > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the

present

> > > > KP Readers are correct.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@

>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > I too can agree with u both.

> > > > > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick

up any

> > > > secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.

> > > > > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to

see

> > the

> > > > strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD

of the

> > > > 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunaparantha

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Luther

> > > > > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the

sub is

> > > > the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give

the

> > > > result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

> > > > > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may

indicate

> > > > the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is

MBBS

> > > > or Veterinary doctor.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath rathluther >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Luther Rath rathluther >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the

position of

> > a

> > > > significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled

by

> > > > Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord

> > > > respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII

house.

> > > > Am I right? KP?

> > > > > Dr. Luther Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the

> > > > deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring

for

> > the

> > > > marriage to happen!

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Adith

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu

> > > > <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,

> > > > > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which

appears as

> > star

> > > > or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is

> > > > occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps

2/7/11 so

> > > > that it can give marriage during its period?

> > > > > V.Krishnamurty

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 9, 2009

Dear M.S.Bohraji,

Reading of KP Reader I will help to see the encouragement of using

Western aspets but Reader III, IV & VI will show application of Hindu

aspects practically and Western aspects here and there only.

Regards,

tw

, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear twji,

>

> As you have mentioned " A little bit of reading may help to find that

> in KP Badhaka, Maraka, Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based, for

instance: "

>

> It also included " Bhavatam-Bhava " aspects or only ascendant Bhava?

> I mean to say 2nd to 2nd,6th to 6th as like also consider in KP.

>

> If we consider 2nd and 7th Bhava as Maraka to native then 1st and

8th

> should be consider as Maraka for 7th house karakas.

>

> What Kp system says about it?

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear adith ji,

> >

> > 1. It's interesting whether any other capable KP astrologer has

said

> > or applied like you've said:

> >

> > " When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be only the

> > Rasi and not not the Bava. "

> >

> > 2. Are we going to read and apply the KP SW (any one) print out

of KP

> > significators (grade A to D) according to Placidus house system,

which

> > is one of three pillars of KP, in two versions, i.e. normally for

> > marriage matters and differently by Rasi for Badhaka, Mararka

while the

> > 2,7 and 11 house significators are the same for the native?

> >

> > 3. A little bit of reading may help to find that in KP Badhaka,

Maraka,

> > Moksha are Placidus-Bhava- based, for instance:

> >

> > 1) KP Reader VI (any Edition) pp 156-7;

> >

> > 2) C.R. Bhatt: Further Light of Nakshatra Chinttamani pp 31, 158;

> >

> > 3) K. Hariharan: How to Judge Longevity? pp 32, 68, 82;

> >

> > 4) K.P. & Astrology 2005 p 16 (Vijay Kumar: Father's Sickness, A

KP

> > Appraisal)

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > , " adith kasinath.g.k "

> > <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear tw ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your points with many examples.

> > >

> > > In this , if you recall Ajoy's analysis on th Blind chart 1, he

has

> > said as

> > > you noted, I have just reproduced below.

> > >

> > > //

> > > *Dasha lord Mercury*

> > > Mercury is maraksthanadhipati (2) in sub of badhakstan occupant

(ven

> > in 9)

> > > which is also sub lord of 2 & 6.//

> > >

> > > Dear ji,

> > > Mercury is in the sub of Venus. As Venus is posited in IX, Ajoy

has

> > said ,it

> > > is the occupant of Badakasthana. But Venus is actually in the

Xth Rasi

> > from

> > > Asc.,. When we talk about the Maraka or Badhaka, it should be

only the

> > Rasi

> > > and not not the Bava.

> > >

> > > Pls give your explanation on this.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Adith

> > >

> > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > > >

> > > > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the

> > possible

> > > > KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu

Ganapathi,

> > > > Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in

KM.

> > > > Subramanium's SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has

> > included

> > > > his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a

strong

> > > > significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal

sublord. I

> > > > believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of

Kuppu

> > > > Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the

reference

> > > > even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's

answer

> > > > " Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience

is

> > > > authority. Satyacharya's statement in his Dhruvanadi is the

> > > > authority. " when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of

> > theory

> > > > that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a

flag

> > in

> > > > this reference page of the book, something should be discussed

> > before

> > > > and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring

the KP

> > > > Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by

Guru ji

> > > > KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was

approved

> > by

> > > > him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP

Reader

> > III.

> > > > This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965

since

> > > > the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108.

> > > >

> > > > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid.

Time

> > > > 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of

9 cusps

> > > > 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp

is the

> > > > same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra

Kumar in

> > K.P.

> > > > & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has

no

> > planet

> > > > in its star, it's a strong significator of houses

> > 1,2,3,5,6,7,8,11,12

> > > > as per the sub rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to

consider

> > this

> > > > rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)

> > > >

> > > > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as

you're

> > > > aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and

KCIL

> > > > (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links.

> > > >

> > > > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success

in the

> > > > blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make

Ajoy

> > > > crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for

instance,

> > > > taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of

these

> > > > cusps without having no planet in its star and signification

of 9 by

> > > > Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in

the 1st

> > > > blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a

significator

> > of

> > > > 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP

of

> > 1965

> > > > Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V.

Tyagaraja

> > > > Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael

> > McClain,

> > > > Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence

of a

> > > > Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group)

in the

> > > > 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).

> > > >

> > > > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without

foul

> > play

> > > > like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018)

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > <%

40>,

> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

> > > > > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the

heading

> > > > " longevity of business partnership "

> > > > > " On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury

Anthara

> > > > and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the

> > > > desolation of partnership.

> > > > > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the

sublord

> > of

> > > > 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this,

> > Mercury

> > > > is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th,

11th

> > and

> > > > 12th cusps. "

> > > > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti

> > > > Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called

as KP

> > > > Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey punitp@

> > > >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > > <%

40>

> > > > > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the reason I said that we should call

it 'Sethunathan's

> > > > Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for

finding

> > > > singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are

not the

> > > > significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by

Dhanabalan ji

> > > > that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the

result of

> > > > the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems

Dhanabalan

> > ji's

> > > > theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new

theories are

> > > > welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any

confusion to

> > > > the beginners and students.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan

ji and

> > yet

> > > > to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is

some

> > > > references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't

regarded

> > as

> > > > authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP

readers to

> > > > get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate

with this

> > > > new theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath

rathluther >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X

> > indicate

> > > > the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether

> > veternary

> > > > or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp

shall

> > > > give job during its period? Should we include the star lord

among

> > the

> > > > significators of X house? As far as I understand the

significators

> > are

> > > > the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the

> > > > constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined

with

> > any

> > > > of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets

> > aspected

> > > > by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest

ones.

> > > > Will you kindly clerify?

> > > > > With regards.

> > > > > Dr. Luther Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunaparantha

> > > > > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the

present

> > > > KP Readers are correct.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@

>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > I too can agree with u both.

> > > > > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick

up any

> > > > secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.

> > > > > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to

see

> > the

> > > > strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD

of the

> > > > 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunaparantha

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Luther

> > > > > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the

sub is

> > > > the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give

the

> > > > result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

> > > > > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may

indicate

> > > > the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is

MBBS

> > > > or Veterinary doctor.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath rathluther >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Luther Rath rathluther >

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sirs,

> > > > > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the

position of

> > a

> > > > significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled

by

> > > > Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord

> > > > respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII

house.

> > > > Am I right? KP?

> > > > > Dr. Luther Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > > of that cusp?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,

> > > > >

> > > > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the

> > > > deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring

for

> > the

> > > > marriage to happen!

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Adith

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu

> > > > <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,

> > > > > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which

appears as

> > star

> > > > or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is

> > > > occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps

2/7/11 so

> > > > that it can give marriage during its period?

> > > > > V.Krishnamurty

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 10, 2009

KP Reader I

2. Almost the whole

KP Reader I is taken from the Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 1, 1965. The "Preface

and Introduction, Ayanamsa-Verification (pp 61-74), To make use of Krishnamurti

Ephemerid and Casting of a Horoscope"

and so on are added in the KP Reader I, 127-147. The "Table of Longitude

and Latitude of various places (in India) (pp 68-92)", "Table showing

the sub period of dasa" (pp 161-173) and "Fortuna" (pp 471-474) in the the

Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 1 are not included in the KP Reader I.

---Evolution of KP from

the KP original 2 volumes to the KP Readers I-VI(Sept 2008 issue of KPEzine and Astrovision)

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear TinWinji> I accept that you have done lot of home work to justify 365.25 days per year. I am not aware of your posting before I enter into this group in 2008. I started to learn KP in the year 2005. I got the KP original two volumes during 2005 from TKP Gopal. In Volume I, Mr.KSK gave detailed justification for 365.25 days. I convinced with his justification and I am using 365.25 days from 2005.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Mon, 2/9/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > Monday, February 9, 2009, 7:40 AM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > "what it really boils down to is PERSONAL PREFERENCE - that is the bottom line - no matter WHAT numbers you use to cut the cards. My personal preference is to use 365.25 days – no matter "who says what", but this preference is based solely on my ability to successfully line up events and see things in a chart more clearly (for myself personally) using 365.25 rather than 360 days. Is it right? Who knows and who cares – as long as it works for me… So my point is that the bottom line is that we ALL need to use what WORKS for us as INDIVIDUAL astrologers, while simultaneously respecting the personal preferences of others.> --- Sandy (Msg#2081)> (Note: My apology for using "who cares" without knowing it hurts other but it is not hot air but cool one.)> > 2. The well established KP rules are the rules written and applied in the six KP Readers.> > 3. Ajoy has already given the correct quiz predictions by using these rules..> > 4. For your barometer of quiz results, Khullar's KCIT System of Astrology may be an appropriate one. Each game or theory has its rules to be followed and your preferred KP stright line ayanamsa and True Node are used there.. A cocktail of KP, Dr. Kar, KB, KCIT etc may not be a good idea without knowing which one is going in which way or direction.> > Regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear TinWinji> > I have gone through the messages 2076/3018. It is a discussion whether to use 360 days or 365.25dats for the year. Mr.KSK put a full stop and recommended to use 365.25 days per year. Still 360/365.25 days controversy exists among the KP astrologers. Our Member Mr.Mohankumar still recommended to use 360 days per year. Whether to use 360 or 365.25 days is left to the astrologers to decide. I am convinced with 365.25 days per year.> > > > Discussion and research are the intention of this KP group. There is no room for 'foul play'. You said that there is well established rules in KP. Can you list out what are the well established rules in KP. Whether the examples given in KP Readers are based on those well established rules. Can you give correct prediction with those well established rules in KP through quiz. > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Sat, 2/7/09, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > tw853 tw853@> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, February 7, 2009, 7:22 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > First of all, I would like to thank you for pointing out the possible> > KP source of the RULE (successfully applied by K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi,> > Vikari Ramamurthy, Kanak Bosmia and others but not found in KM.> > Subramanium' s SUBLORD SPEAKS 3 volumes although Ramani ji has included> > his name), i.e. a planet with no planet in its star is a strong> > significator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. I> > believe it should be KP because this rule is the favorite of Kuppu> > Ganapathi who swears for KP only. I couldn't ask him the reference> > even through his closed disciple, keeping in mind Prof. Rao's answer> > "Don't be foolish in asking for authority. My own experience is> > authority. Satyacharya' s statement in his Dhruvanadi is the> > authority." when BV Raman asked his grand father the source of theory> > that considers the star lord of a Dasa lord. Since there is a flag in> > this reference page of the book, something should be discussed before> > and it is traced back in Msg#6841 of this Group.> > > > Secondly, I'm delighted to learn that you're now referring the KP> > Readers. It doesn't matter whether this part was written by Guru ji> > KSK himself or not but the important thing is that it was approved by> > him since it's exactly the same in the original or old KP Reader III.> > This part can't be found in the original KP 2 volumes of 1965 since> > the Horary No. 34 is from 1-249, not 1-108. > > > > Thirdly, this Horary chart calculated by KPAstro 3.1 (Sid. Time> > 12:16:49, KPNA 23:21:16) shows Mercury being the sub lord of 9 cusps> > 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12. In KP, if sub lord of more than one cusp is the> > same, then they are deemed to be connected. (T. Rajendra Kumar in K.P.> > & Astrology 2002 p 45) In this example chart, as Mercury has no planet> > in its star, it's a strong significator of houses 1,2,3,5,6,7, 8,11,12> > as per the sub rule mentioned above. Some may rethink to consider this> > rule as KP. (Msg#8076/16808)> > > > Fourthly, as the cuspal interlinks theory is concerned, as you're> > aware, there are KB (Baskaran) using the sub lord links and KCIL> > (Khullar) using the sub sub lord links. > > > > Fifthly, if the correctness of rules are measured by success in the> > blind charts as you mentioned, then the present KP rules make Ajoy> > crowned with success in two consecutive blind charts, for instance,> > taking Venus's signification of 2,6 by being the sub lord of these> > cusps without having no planet in its star and signification of 9 by> > Ketu's sub Jupiter considering this Jupiter's star lord in the 1st> > blind chart (Msg#21575), and considering Mercury as a significator of> > 6th ONLY by being very close to this cusp (as per Original KP of 1965> > Vol. 2 p 281, KP Reader IV p 108, T. Rajendra Kumar, C.V. Tyagaraja> > Iyer, K.M. Subramaniam, K. Subramanium, Carl Woebcke, Michael McClain,> > Ref: Planet near the House Cusp.doc, A Note on the Influence of a> > Planet near the House Cusp in File section of this KP Group) in the> > 2nd blind chart (Msg#21956).> > > > Finally, it's nice of you to discuss with reasoning without foul play> > like our KP brother Vaidun Vidyadhar. (Msg#2076/3018) > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:> > > Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading> > "longevity of business partnership"> > > "On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara> > and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the> > desolation of partnership.> > > Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of> > 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury> > is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and> > 12th cusps." > > > Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti> > Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP> > Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey punitp@> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > > > > > That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan' s> > Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding> > singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the> > significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji> > that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of> > the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's> > theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are> > welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to> > the beginners and students. > > > > > > I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet> > to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some> > references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as> > authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to> > get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate with this> > new theory. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > > I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate> > the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary> > or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall> > give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the> > significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are> > the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the> > constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any> > of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected> > by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones.> > Will you kindly clerify?> > > With regards.> > > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM> > > > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunaparantha> > > It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present> > KP Readers are correct.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > I too can agree with u both.> > > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any> > secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> > > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the> > strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the> > 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.> > > > > > > > > Sunaparantha> > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Luther> > > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is> > the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the> > result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> > > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate> > the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS> > or Veterinary doctor. > > > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > > > > > Luther Rath <rathluther>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a> > significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by> > Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord> > respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.> > Am I right? KP?> > > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > > > > > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the> > deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the> > marriage to happen!> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.> > > > > > Regards> > > Adith> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu> > <kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,> > > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star> > or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is> > occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so> > that it can give marriage during its period?> > > V.Krishnamurty> > >> >>

February 13, 2009

Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its vyayasthanam.

But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.

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Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan r.dhanabalan

Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

Dear PunitjiIf lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PMRegarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

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