Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

February 6, 2009

Dear M.S.Bohra

You are correct. This is what Mr.KSK told. Dasa bukthi results are to be seen from cuspal interlinks with Dasa Bukthi lords for twins. Otherwise we have to calculate kalachakra dasa for twins to differentiate dasa results. Kalachakra dasa also was recommended by Mr.KSK.Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/6/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote:

msbohra62 <msbohra62 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:18 PM

Dear Members,After going through all the discussion the essence is "Planet givesstar lord signification result and sub-lord decide the matter will befavourable or not,in his Dasa period (of this Planet).When case of twins or many planets in same Nakshatra and the have sameSub lord than we should look the cusp star-lord for signification andfor result will be in favour or against that will be decide by sublord of the cusp.If some confusion after that than we look sub-sublord for final conclusion.I think I am on right track.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalanji,> Thank you very much for your elaborate information.> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Friday, February 6, 2009 5:37:27 PM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > Dear Luther > Please refer page 63/64/65 of Reader III edition 2004 under theheading "Sub". Though the planetary positions are same for twins,there is a change in cuspal position. For the twins if the 10th cuspfalls at > a) Venus sign-Moon star-Saturn sub deals with petrol > Venus sign-Moon star-Mercury sub deals with cotton & silk > b) Sun-Venus-Jupiter is educationist, advocate > Sun-Sun-Sun is Medical > 0 Moon-Saturn- Ketu is died immediately after birth >

Moon-Saturn- Mars is lived long > d) Mars-Venus-jupiter is sanitary inspector at Animal husbandarydepartment > Mars-Venus-Saturn is sanitary inspector at slaughter house > Mars-Venus-Sun is a veterinary surgeon > Therefore, eventhough a constellation may indicate many results, itis the sub which decides which of them applies to an individual." > > Page 43 of KP original volume II under the heading physicalfeatures. According to KP, > Lagna sign indicates physical features in general > Lagna star modifies it > Lagna sublord decides one is tall or short. > > Page 61 of KP volume II > Danger is indicated during the conjoined periods of the lord of thesign, lord of the star and lord of the sub where the 8th cusp falls. > > Page 253 of KP original volume II > If the 7th cusp falls

in the constellation of sun or sub of sun,repulsion-no pleasure. > > Page 300 of KP original volume II. According to KP, > a) one should note where exactly the meridian falls: b) the lord ofthe sign, star and sub. Also take into account the planetary veryclose to the meridian. The profession is indicated by the combinationof these planets and the dasa lord in progress. > > The above is self explanatory. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Luther Rath <rathluther>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Friday, February 6, 2009, 1:48 AM> > > Respected Sir,> I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicatethe nature of

job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternaryor human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shallgive job during its period? Should we include the star lord among thesignificators of X house? As far as I understand the significators arethe constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, theconstellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with anyof them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspectedby the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones.Will you kindly clerify?> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?>

> > Dear Sunaparantha> It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the presentKP Readers are correct.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM> > > Dear Friends,> I too can agree with u both.> Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up anysecret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see thestrongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.> > > Sunaparantha> >

> ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > Dear Luther> You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub isthe decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give theresult of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicatethe doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBSor Veterinary doctor. > Dhanabalan> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther> wrote:> > Luther Rath <rathluther>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that

cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > Dear Sirs,> Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of asignificator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled byVenus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lordrespectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.Am I right? KP?> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is thedeciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be

favoring for themarriage to happen!> Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct..> > Regards> Adith> > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu<kvangapandu@ > wrote:> > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,> May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as staror sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which isoccupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 sothat it can give marriage during its period?> V.Krishnamurty>

February 6, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

In the practical example of explaining the quotation, the star lord

and sub lord of the cuspal sub lord can be found to be taken, for

instance:

The sublord of the IInd cusp is SATURN. Saturn is in VIII (No planet

in Saturn stars) & so fully signifies VIII; and Saturn in the star of

Moon in VII owning X (RAHU in X). So Saturn fully signifies VII &

VIII. Saturn in the sub of RAHU signifying IV, so IInd had been

rendered very weak & nothing can be expected ou of IInd cusp.

-- p 70, 2nd para of K.P. & Astrology 1988

-- p 144, 1t para of SUBLORD SPEAKS part 3

Regards,

tw

P.S. Only to take his idea and something is inconsistent with the chart.

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Adith ji,

>

> I am aware of that fact. Though from the quote made by Tw ji, from

where it

> can be concluded that we have to take signification of star lord of the

> cuspal sub lord and not the signification of sub lord itself?

According to

> my interpretation even the quoted text tells us that we should take the

> signifcation of the cuspal sub lord only.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> gkadithkasinath wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit Pandey ji,

> > In Sub Lord speaks , KMS takes the star lord of the Sub lord also.

> >

> > Regards

> > Adith

> >

> > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

> >

> >> Dear Dhanabalan ji and Tw ji,

> >>

> >> I don't understand where is the difference? It seems that you

both are

> >> talking about the same concept. From the quote from the " Sublord

Speaks " , I

> >> understand that KMS is talking about singificator of Sublord and

not the

> >> significators of the starlord of the Sublord. Isn't it? If that

is the case,

> >> where comes the question of signification of sublord's starlord?

> >>

> >> Thanks & Regards,

> >>

> >> Punit Pandey

> >>

> >> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanwrote:

> >>

> >>> Dear TinWinJi

> >>> Whether to consider the cuspal starlord or to consider the cuspal

> >>> sublord's starlord is under debate. So far no one has proved in

this forum

> >>> that the prediction based on the significators cuspal sublord's

starlord is

> >>> correct. Practical approach is appreciated than referring books and

> >>> articles. Sub's star method is KMS's theory and not Mr.KSK's theory.

> >>> Dhanabalan

> >>> --- On *Fri, 2/6/09, tw853 <tw853* wrote:

> >>>

> >>> tw853 <tw853

> >>> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that

> >>> cusp?

> >>>

> >>> Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:34 AM

> >>>

> >>> Dear Friends,

> >>>

> >>> It may be worthy to think whether the CSL is a planet and if so,

how to

> >>> consider its signification.

> >>>

> >>> As regards to a planet, the matter is seen through the star lord

of that

> >>> planet and the SUBLORD of that planet decides the result & how

the matter is

> >>> altered & enjoyed and suffered by the native. While we take the

sub lord of

> >>> the CUSP (all know the SUB LORD is a planet), we must be more

careful, while

> >>> dealing the subject. As told above, the CUSPAL SUB LORD is a

PLANET. Here

> >>> we must finalise the efficiency of the CUSPAL SUB LORD, by

finding out the

> >>> signification of the CUSPAL SUB LORD and any period runs under

that planet

> >>> signifying that house (CUSP), effects to get altered in those

terms. To

> >>> make it more clear for the students of KP, I like to discuss the

following

> >>> birth chart, as an example…..

> >>> -K.M. Subramanium (The Sub Lord Speaks LX, K.P. & Astrology 1998

p 69,

> >>> reprinted in SUBLORD SPEAKS – part 3, p 141)

> >>>

> >>> Regards,

> >>>

> >>> tw

> >>> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan

<sunaparantha@> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Friends,

> >>> > I too can agree with u both.

> >>> > Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up

any secret

> >>> and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.

> >>> > It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to

see the

> >>> strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of

the 7th or

> >>> Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

> >>> >

> >>> > Sunaparantha

> >>> >

> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...

> >>> > @gro ups.com

> >>> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM

> >>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator of

> >>> that cusp?

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Luther

> >>> > You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the

sub is the

> >>> decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the

result of the

> >>> cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

> >>> > For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may

indicate the

> >>> doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or

Veterinary

> >>> doctor.

> >>> > Dhanabalan

> >>> > --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Luther Rath rathluther >

> >>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator of

> >>> that cusp?

> >>> > @gro ups.com

> >>> > Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Sirs,

> >>> > Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position

of a

> >>> significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by

Venus, Moon

> >>> and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon

is also

> >>> considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

> >>> > Dr. Luther Rath.

> >>> >

> >>> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >>> > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

> >>> > @gro ups.com

> >>> > Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM

> >>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator of

> >>> that cusp?

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,

> >>> >

> >>> > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the

deciding

> >>> factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the

marriage to

> >>> happen!

> >>> > Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

> >>> >

> >>> > Regards

> >>> > Adith

> >>> >

> >>> > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu

<kvangapandu@

> >>> > wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,

> >>> > May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears

as star or

> >>> sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is

occupant or sign

> >>> lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can

give marriage

> >>> during its period?

> >>> > V.Krishnamurty

> >>> >

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

February 7, 2009

Dear Punitji

KP interlink or Sedunathnan interlink:

Refer page 309 in KP Reader III 2004 edition under the heading “longevity of business partnership”

“On 13-08-1970 he will run Venus Dasa Rahu Bhukti Mercury Anthara and Saturn Sookshma till 8-9-1970 and this period favours the desolation of partnership.

Here Anthara lord Mercury is very important as it is the sublord of 11th cusp from Ascendant as well as for seventh. Besides this, Mercury is also the sublord of Ascendant, 2nd , 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th cusps.”

Hence in the KP Readers, there is a link between Dasa Bhukti Antharalord and cuspal sublord. This interlink can be called as KP Interlink instead of Sethunathan Interlink.

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan's Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?