Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

February 6, 2009

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan's Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that " Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider " seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students.

I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to communicate with this new theory.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:46:04 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Sunaparantha

It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present KP Readers are correct.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comThursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

Dear Friends,I too can agree with u both.Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

Sunaparantha

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Luther

You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right? KP?

Dr. Luther Rath.

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>@gro ups.com

Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AMRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 6, 2009

Dear Dhanapalan,I do know this. But my question was if Venus is the sub lord of 2nd and 7th cusp. but Venus through its star and sublord signifies 6, 4 or 10 which negate the marriage , (during the Venus Dasa or Bukthi where No planet in its star), even in this situation, will Venus leads to marriage?

RegardsAdith On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dear Adith

For twins born at 2 minutes interval, the dasa bukthi Antharam are same. (Difference in balance dasa is about 5 days). There may not be any change in the planetary position upto SubSublord. But both may not enjoy the same result during the same DBA period. But out of 12 cuspal sublords, one or two sublords may be different. Most of the subsublords differ. Therefore eventhough both twins are running the same DBA, the result will be different according to the DBA lords connection with cuspal sublords and cuspal subsublords.(cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may be same for twins)

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/5/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath

Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 12:28 AM

Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

RegardsAdith

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:

Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?

V.Krishnamurty

February 6, 2009

Dear Friends,

1. Common sense may help to think whether KP had stopped at the early

stage findings of the original KP 2 volumes of Sagar Publications in

1965 with:

1) considering whether Lagna is strong or the Moon sign is strong;

2) wavering to apply 4 (A to D) or 6 fold significator table;

3) using traditional namsas, exaltation, debilitation etc;

4) no sufficient knowledge of which house is to be considered for what

matter;

5) no clear cut approach in considering whether a matter is promised

or not;

6) no complete house grouping for so many kinds of matters;

7) applying 108 horary numbers.

2. As per understanding of the whole astrological community, both East

and West, KP is the six KP Readers and the six KP Readers are KP.

3. The original KP 2 volumes of Sagar Publications in 1965 are just

history of the early stage KP. My two very reliable KP books suppliers

in India could not get even a photo copy of them for my special

request at any cost. Fortunately and finally I got the original books

sold by Lakshmi Book Store, New Deli long ago thanks to my elder KP

brother. He didn't take another set of 2 volumes for himself later

from another elder KP lover because in his opinion the six Readers are

more complete. The reason I tried to get them at any cost is that a KP

critic had challenged the KP astrologers whether we have seen the

original 2 volumes of 1965. That's all, nothing else.

Regards,

tw

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Sunaparantha

> It is a study whether KP original volume is correct or the present

KP Readers are correct.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

>

> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:58 PM

>

Dear Friends,

> I too can agree with u both.

> Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any

secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.

> It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the

strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the

7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

>

Dear Luther

> You are correct. Planet will give its star's result and the sub is

the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the

result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.

> For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate

the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS

or Veterinary doctor.

> Dhanabalan

> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

>

> Luther Rath <rathluther >

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM

Dear Sirs,

> Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a

significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by

Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord

respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house.

Am I right? KP?

> Dr. Luther Rath.

>

> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

>

> Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,

>

> Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the

deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the

marriage to happen!

> Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.

>

> Regards

> Adith

>

> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu

<kvangapandu@ ..com> wrote:

>

Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,

> May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star

or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet which is

occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so

that it can give marriage during its period?

> V.Krishnamurty

>

February 6, 2009

Dear TinWinJi

Whether to consider the cuspal starlord or to consider the cuspal sublord's starlord is under debate. So far no one has proved in this forum that the prediction based on the significators cuspal sublord's starlord is correct. Practical approach is appreciated than referring books and articles. Sub's star method is KMS's theory and not Mr.KSK's theory. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/6/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:34 AM

Dear Friends,It may be worthy to think whether the CSL is a planet and if so, how to consider its signification.As regards to a planet, the matter is seen through the star lord of that planet and the SUBLORD of that planet decides the result & how the matter is altered & enjoyed and suffered by the native. While we take the sub lord of the CUSP (all know the SUB LORD is a planet), we must be more careful, while dealing the subject. As told above, the CUSPAL SUB LORD is a PLANET. Here we must finalise the efficiency of the CUSPAL SUB LORD, by finding out the signification of the CUSPAL SUB LORD and any period runs under that planet signifying that house (CUSP), effects to get altered in those terms. To make it more clear for the students of KP, I like to discuss the following birth chart, as an example…..-K.M. Subramanium (The Sub Lord Speaks LX, K.P. & Astrology 1998 p 69, reprinted

in SUBLORD SPEAKS – part 3, p 141)Regards,tw@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Friends,> I too can agree with u both.> Still I am in analizing the Quiz -02 Birth Chart, to pick up any secret and sufficient evidences are to be collected with it.> It is worth to go more on the known factors ie marriage, to see the strongest supporter for the marriage, whether it is STAR LORD of the 7th or Strar Lord of the CSL of 7th.> > > Sunaparantha> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:23:09 PM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > > Dear Luther> You are correct. Planet will give its star's

result and the sub is the decider. Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider.> For example, 10th cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord may indicate the doctor profession. It is the sub to decide whether he is MBBS or Veterinary doctor. > Dhanabalan> --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:> > Luther Rath rathluther >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > Dear Sirs,> Here I find that the Star lord of a cusp is given the position of a significator of the house. I mean to say if VII cusp is ruled by Venus, Moon and Mars as sign lord, star lord and sub lord respectively; Moon is also considered as asignificator of VII house. Am I right?

KP?> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 5, 2009 5:58:45 AM> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > > Dear Nr.Krishnamurty,> > Certainly ! Though the star lord is favoring, the sub is the deciding factor. Hence sub lord of Jupiter should be favoring for the marriage to happen!> Dear Dhanabalan ji, hope I am correct.> > Regards> Adith> > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 8:55 PM, krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@ > wrote:> > > Dear Mr.Dhanbalan,> May I know whethe Jupiter in the star of Venus(which appears as star or sub of of 2/7/11) has to be in the SUB of a planet

which is occupant or sign lord or star lord or sub lord of cusps 2/7/11 so that it can give marriage during its period?> V.Krishnamurty>

February 6, 2009

Dear Punitji

I have not gone into the KP Readers. About 10 years back, there was an article on cuspal interlinks from Mr.KSK's sister from Canada. The article is available with TKP Gopal and some others. I will collect that article and inform to this forum. Till then it can be termed as "Sethunathan's interlink".Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 5:58 AM

Dear Luther ji, Dhanabalan ji and Friends,That is the reason I said that we should call it 'Sethunathan's Interlinks' and not 'KP'. KP has clearly laid out rules for finding singificators where cuspal star lord and cuspal sub lord are not the significators of that house. Also the rule quoted by Dhanabalan ji that "Likewise for the cusp, cuspal starlord will give the result of the cusp and the cuspal sublord is the decider" seems Dhanabalan ji's theory and not KP. As we maintained in the forum, new theories are welcome but those should be marked clearly to avoid any confusion to the beginners and students. I am still waiting to the reply of my email to Dhanabalan ji and yet to get any reference from KP readers. One email I remember is some references from Hariharan ji's book which anyways doesn't regarded as authority in KP. Let us wait for some references from KP readers to get better idea on what Dhanabalan ji wants to

communicate with this new theory. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Respected Sir,

I cannot disagree that the lords of sign, star and sub of X indicate the nature of job, whether engineer, doctor or IAS, whether veternary or human etc. But des it mean that the star lord of the cusp shall give job during its period? Should we include the star lord among the significators of X house? As far as I understand the significators are the constellation lord of the occupants, the occupants, the constellation lord of the owner, the owner, Planets conoined with any of them, and the planets close tot he X cusp; besides planets aspected by the aforesaid planets if this is considered as the weakest ones. Will you kindly clerify?