Learning K P System

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK. There are many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp ayanamsa, planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit. Though 'Sub Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of the sub lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove otherwise.

Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a book without using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology' seems a good suggestion. Thanks & Regards,

Punit PandeyOn Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Mr.Sunil Sharma

 

Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from tradition and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The title of the proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar astrology, etc.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21 wrote:

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21Re: Learning K P System

Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanbalan ji,In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission just on the basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP Readers are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At least that is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..

We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.RegardsSunil

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, " Dhanabalan R " <r.dhanabalan@ >

Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..com

Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raichur I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in page ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar publications, New Delhi ." Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes by adding the articles of KP astrologers. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear punitji and others

j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

in Book2 Page 2 the details are

 

Oct over 1971

June 1975

 

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©

 

This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author

 

Price Rs 11-00

 

Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

 

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..com

Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey

Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not violation of copy right?

 

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com

Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

 

 

Sunil ji,QUOTEThe Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.

UNQUOTEI have first hand experience talking to KP people and my

experience is not very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raichur ji,I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.

RegardsSunil--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurar > Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@ >

Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sharma

The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

 

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups.com

Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

 

 

Dear Swami ji,Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get them? I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which is a welcome idea.RegardsSunil

 

 

 

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

 

Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PMRe: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Punit ji,

Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best one.

However , Students will do well if they read & digest Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.

KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

 

Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are followed.

with regards

 

OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

 

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Punit Pandey

@gro ups.com

Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

 

In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence course as well as books.You can contact him at KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.E-mail : kpsari. net.in

Best regardsRaakesh K Sharma --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

 

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I would like to learn K P System .

Can I learn this on line?

Can I buy a course and learn ?

If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear All,Please go ahead and compile a good beginner's book on KP that can serve us all for a good amount of time and help us clear many confusions/doubts that still exist in the currently available books on KP. It must be God's will that this particular thread has turned got us into this great idea of putting together a book. God is definiately behind us, all we need is a collective determination and courage to challenge ourselves from within to attain out goal. I have been following vedic astrology for quite some time now, since my high school days to be precise and still I am not able to reach a perfect timing of an event. Vedic does have its own merits and I am one to deny that. Sunilji seems to be very focused and positive about the whole idea. We must democratically support him and go ahead us a united force. I am really eager to see a good reference out there to help myself and others all over the world. Thanks and many regards,Ajay

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Dear Bhaskarji,Your reply is spot on. Yes, it is our Indian mentality of collecting a lot of books, that has its roots in our educations system perhaps. We have a lot of info but no real knowledge that is what academics all over the world say of our students. But you have really helped me with your order of books to go through for a beginner.KP ReadersChandrakant BhattShri SahasneSharad JoshiThanks a lot sir, regardsAjay

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dear bhaskar,

i personally know mr.shahasane from 1980.

this is not the place to mention what he spread

about planet's sub.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Gondhlekarji,

>

> You will first have to read the books to make that statement.

Before

> reading, one should not pass such remarks on hard work done by

somebody

> who is into real astrology and also working not just for earning

money,

> but for real spread of the astrology science especially KP. How

to use

> subLords for predictions is beautifully explained in these books

written

> by Sahasnaji. I request you to refrain from commenting on your

> contemporaries, especially without doing any homework.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@>

> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskar,

> > the books suggested by you doesnt contain sublord theory and

> > eventhough you are suggesting it.surprising!!!

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> >

> > On 1/19/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear pradeepji,

> > >

> > > I would like to reply to this mail. Already you have been

given the

> > > direct numbers of Sahasneji. Did you try calling on those ?

You ahve

> not

> > > mentioned about that.

> > >

> > > If you have a contact in Bombay, then ask them to go to dadar

> station,

> > > ideal book depot and get the books from there. This is a

famous book

> > > shop. In delhi too you may try, i had heard that his books are

> avilable

> > > there too.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > <%

40>,

> pradeep

> > > kumar goyal pkgoyalchd@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir    ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Sadar Namaskar

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir , IÂ , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of

your

> > > reputed,unique K P

> > > > System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learn

> A.B.C...of Kp

> > > System astrology.

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh

Sahasne Ji

> in

> > > HINDI verson only

> > > > due to my english is poor.

> > > > Â

> > > > But, My great intrest to learn on this subject

> > > > Â

> > > > Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to

know the

> > > availability of books

> > > > by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on which

> publisher.

> > > Wheather that

> > > > Â books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?

> > > > Â

> > > > I am seeking your valuable guidence .

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanking you

> > > > With Best Regards

> > > > Â

> > > > Pradeep Goyal

> > > >

> > > > --- बॠध, 14/1/09 को, pradeep kumar goyal

> > > pkgoyalchd@ ने लिखा:

> > > >

> > > > दॠवारा: pradeep kumar goyal pkgoyalchd@

> > > > विषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System

> > > > <%40>

> > > > दिनांक: बॠधवार, 14

> > > जनवरी, 2009, 12:33 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji        Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Sadar Namaskar

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with Shri

> Suresh

> > > Sahasne Ji.

> > > > Â

> > > > I want to receive there books in HINDI only.

> > > > Â

> > > > Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books  Â

> OR

> > > > Â

> > > > The books published is under which Publisher  Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â and

> > > > Â

> > > > wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH

> > > > Â

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > Â

> > > > Pradeep Goyal

> > > >

> > > > --- बॠध, 14/1/09 को, Bhaskar

> <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > .co. in> ने लिखा:

> > > >

> > > > दॠवारा: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > विषय: Re: Learning K P System

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > दिनांक: बॠधवार, 14

> > > जनवरी, 2009, 11:39 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is

> 9820564842.

> > > >

> > > > His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives

> > > appointment

> > > > only after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even

though we

> are

> > > his

> > > > past students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just

added

> info.)

> > > >

> > > > But you may try .

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal

> <pkgoyalchd@

> > > ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji

> > > > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > â " ¬ â " ¬ Sadar Namaskar

> > > > > Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to

this

> > > > group,have to learn A.B.C.D...

> > > > > ofâ " ¬ K P Systems Astrology.

> > > > > Thanks for reference and help

> > > > > I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne

Ji in

> > > HINDI

> > > > verson.

> > > > > Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.

> > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > With best regards

> > > > > Pradeep Goyal

> > > > > Chandigarh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- рд╕реЛрдо, 12/1/09 рдХреЛ,

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > рдиреЗ рд■" рдâ " рдЦрд╛:

> > > > >

> > > > > рджреРрд╡рд╛рдâ–`рд╛:

> Bhaskar

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > рд╡рдâ " рд╖рдп: Re:

> Learning K

> > > P System

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > рджрдâ " рдирд╛рдÐ'рдХ:

> > > рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рдâ–`, 12

> > > > рдЬрдирд╡рдâ–`реР, 2009, 11:55 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are not aware,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2 volumes in marathii

and

> also

> > > > > translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with

hundreds of

> Live

> > > > > examples of the modern day problems, and all of these

examples

> are

> > > > > explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language to

> understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and

is

> good

> > > even

> > > > > for those who have not learn traditional astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > The examples given here are among the best one could find

and

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > explained honestly without trying to do any " fixing

astrology " .

> Many

> > > > > new techniques which are unconventional have been given

too in

> these

> > > > two

> > > > > volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they were

> priced at

> > > > > Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for

Rs.300- An

> > > honest

> > > > > attempt ahs been made by this author for every student and

> expert in

> > > > KP,

> > > > > to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems

of the

> > > > present

> > > > > generation. I recommend these books even for the old

generation

> of

> > > KP

> > > > > astrologers.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not

know me

> by

> > > > name

> > > > > maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of

Shri

> > > Sahasne

> > > > > ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain some

> respect

> > > in

> > > > > astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and

also

> > > > understood

> > > > > the readers only after going through his books and Shri

> Chanrakant

> > > > Bhatt

> > > > > Sahab books.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the

author

> > > from

> > > > > whom I have learnt KP.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@

> ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Abhi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simple

> language

> > > > for

> > > > > > any beginner and expert both to understand. If you cant

> understand

> > > > his

> > > > > > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with

your

> > > > ownself

> > > > > > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on

the

> > > author.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I have understood with your query how much you can

grasp

> KP.

> > > > Just

> > > > > > digest one book before you ask for others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, " abhi_ca_2004 "

> abhi_ca_2004@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DEAR PUNITJI,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESH

> SHAHASANE

> > > JI

> > > > -

> > > > > > > " KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 &

2 "

> > > > > > > BUT WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF

VARIUOS

> > > > > EXAMPLES

> > > > > > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP.

> > > > > > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI

Chandrakant

> > > > Bhatt,FROM

> > > > > > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > REGARDS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ABHI

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punitji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I

advise

> all

> > > > > > > those who

> > > > > > > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend

Shri

> > > > > Chandrakant

> > > > > > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree

that the

> > > > readers

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > very much confusing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner

directly

> or

> > > > > > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course

15

> year

> > > > back

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > them, and there was no response once the money was

gone.

> Just

> > > > > > > yesterday

> > > > > > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers

forum, at

> my

> > > > > place,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - No

> response.

> > > > > > > These are

> > > > > > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some wrong managment of money in hands of wrong staff

> members

> > > or

> > > > > > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey "

> <punitp@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP

books and

> > > > reading

> > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence

course in

> my

> > > > > > > opinion. I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > saying that because I myself have participated in

> Jyotish

> > > > > Visharad

> > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to

anybody.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read

> Nakshatra

> > > > > > > > Chintamani and

> > > > > > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by

Chandrakant

> Bhatt

> > > and

> > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly

studied

> > > both

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > books by

> > > > > > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you

to read

> > > even

> > > > > six

> > > > > > > > readers.

> > > > > > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed

over a

> period

> > > > of

> > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers,

but I

> > > think

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > slightly confusing and little too detailed for the

> beginner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma

> divsintl@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late

KSK

> offers

> > > > > > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You can contact him at

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR,

SPENCER

> > > > PLAZA,

> > > > > > > 769,

> > > > > > > > ANNA

> > > > > > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> > > > > > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh

gajender.singh@ *

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@

> > > > > > > > > > Learning K P System

> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .

> > > > > > > > > > Can I learn this on line?

> > > > > > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?

> > > > > > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > > > http://messenger. / invite/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

now.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India

> Messenger at

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Bhaskarji,

 

Will you pl. let me know whether Sahasnaji's book is available in English. If it is so, please let me know the book seller's address from whom I can it by VPP.

 

With best wishes.

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Bhaskar

Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:37 PM

Re: Learning K P System

 

 

Dear Gondhlekarji,You will first have to read the books to make that statement. Beforereading, one should not pass such remarks on hard work done by somebodywho is into real astrology and also working not just for earning money,but for real spread of the astrology science especially KP. How to usesubLords for predictions is beautifully explained in these books writtenby Sahasnaji. I request you to refrain from commenting on yourcontemporaries, especially without doing any homework.regards,Bhaskar. , sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakawrote:>> dear bhaskar,> the books suggested by you doesnt contain sublord theory and> eventhough you are suggesting it.surprising!!!> -sunil gondhalekar>>> On 1/19/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> >> >> > Dear pradeepji,> >> > I would like to reply to this mail. Already you have been given the> > direct numbers of Sahasneji. Did you try calling on those ? You ahvenot> > mentioned about that.> >> > If you have a contact in Bombay, then ask them to go to dadarstation,> > ideal book depot and get the books from there. This is a famous book> > shop. In delhi too you may try, i had heard that his books areavilable> > there too.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,pradeep> > kumar goyal pkgoyalchd@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Sir    ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )> > >             ÂÂ> >             ÂÂ> >             ÂÂ> >             ÂÂ> >       Sadar Namaskar> > > Â> > > Sir , I , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of your> > reputed,unique K P> > > System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learnA.B.C...of Kp> > System astrology.> > > Â> > > Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Jiin> > HINDI verson only> > > due to my english is poor.> > > Â> > > But, My great intrest to learn on this subject> > > Â> > > Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to know the> > availability of books> > > by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on whichpublisher.> > Wheather that> > >  books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?> > > Â> > > I am seeking your valuable guidence .> > > Â> > > Thanking you> > > With Best Regards> > > Â> > > Pradeep Goyal> > >> > > --- बॠध, 14/1/09 को, pradeep kumar goyal> > pkgoyalchd@ ने लिखा:> > >> > > दॠवारा: pradeep kumar goyal pkgoyalchd@> > > विषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System> > > <%40>> > > दिनांक: बॠधवार, 14> > जनवरी, 2009, 12:33 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Bhaskar Ji        ÂÂ> >    Sadar Namaskar> > > Â> > > Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with ShriSuresh> > Sahasne Ji.> > > Â> > > I want to receive there books in HINDI only.> > > Â> > > Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books  ÂOR> > > Â> > > The books published is under which Publisher  ÂÂ> >       and> > > Â> > > wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH> > > Â> > > Â> > > Thanks & Regards> > > Â> > > Pradeep Goyal> > >> > > --- बॠध, 14/1/09 को, Bhaskar<bhaskar_jyotish@> > .co. in> ने लिखा:> > >> > > दॠवारा: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > विषय: Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com> > > दिनांक: बॠधवार, 14> > जनवरी, 2009, 11:39 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Pradeepji,> > >> > > Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is9820564842.> > >> > > His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives> > appointment> > > only after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even though weare> > his> > > past students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just addedinfo.)> > >> > > But you may try .> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > > @gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal<pkgoyalchd@> > ...>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji> > > > â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬â"¬ â"¬> > â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬> > > â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬â"¬ â"¬> > â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬> > > â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬ â"¬â"¬ â"¬> > â"¬ â"¬ Sadar Namaskar> > > > Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to this> > > group,have to learn A.B.C.D...> > > > ofâ"¬ K P Systems Astrology.> > > > Thanks for reference and help> > > > I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in> > HINDI> > > verson.> > > > Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.> > > > Thanking you> > > > With best regards> > > > Pradeep Goyal> > > > Chandigarh> > > >> > > > --- рд╕реЛрдо, 12/1/09 рдХреЛ,> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > рдиреЗ рдâ–"рдâ" рдЦрд╛:> > > >> > > > рджреРрд╡рд╛рдâ–`рд╛:Bhaskar> > bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > рд╡рдâ" рд╖рдп: Re:Learning K> > P System> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > рджрдâ" рдирд╛рдÐ'рдХ:> > рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рдâ–`, 12> > > рдЬрдирд╡рдâ–`реР, 2009, 11:55 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Those who are not aware,> > > >> > > > Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2 volumes in marathii andalso> > > > translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with hundreds ofLive> > > > examples of the modern day problems, and all of these examplesare> > > > explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language tounderstand.> > > >> > > > The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and isgood> > even> > > > for those who have not learn traditional astrology.> > > >> > > > The examples given here are among the best one could find andhave> > > been> > > > explained honestly without trying to do any "fixing astrology".Many> > > > new techniques which are unconventional have been given too inthese> > > two> > > > volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they werepriced at> > > > Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for Rs.300- An> > honest> > > > attempt ahs been made by this author for every student andexpert in> > > KP,> > > > to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems of the> > > present> > > > generation. I recommend these books even for the old generationof> > KP> > > > astrologers.> > > >> > > > I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not know meby> > > name> > > > maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of Shri> > Sahasne> > > > ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain somerespect> > in> > > > astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and also> > > understood> > > > the readers only after going through his books and ShriChanrakant> > > Bhatt> > > > Sahab books.> > > >> > > > This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the author> > from> > > > whom I have learnt KP.> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Mr Abhi,> > > > >> > > > > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simplelanguage> > > for> > > > > any beginner and expert both to understand. If you cantunderstand> > > his> > > > > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with your> > > ownself> > > > > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on the> > author.> > > > >> > > > > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.> > > > >> > > > > But I have understood with your query how much you can graspKP.> > > Just> > > > > digest one book before you ask for others.> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, "abhi_ca_2004"abhi_ca_2004@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > DEAR PUNITJI,> > > > > >> > > > > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESHSHAHASANE> > JI> > > -> > > > > > "KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 & 2"> > > > > > BUT WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF VARIUOS> > > > EXAMPLES> > > > > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.> > > > > >> > > > > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP.> > > > > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI Chandrakant> > > Bhatt,FROM> > > > > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.> > > > > >> > > > > > REGARDS> > > > > >> > > > > > ABHI> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar"bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Punitji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I adviseall> > > > > > those who> > > > > > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend Shri> > > > Chandrakant> > > > > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree that the> > > readers> > > > > > are> > > > > > > very much confusing.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner directlyor> > > > > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course 15year> > > back> > > > > > to> > > > > > > them, and there was no response once the money was gone.Just> > > > > > yesterday> > > > > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers forum, atmy> > > > place,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - Noresponse.> > > > > > These are> > > > > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Some wrong managment of money in hands of wrong staffmembers> > or> > > > > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey"<punitp@>> > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and> > > reading> > > > > > them.> > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course inmy> > > > > > opinion. I> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > saying that because I myself have participated inJyotish> > > > Visharad> > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to readNakshatra> > > > > > > Chintamani and> > > > > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by ChandrakantBhatt> > and> > > > > > asking> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied> > both> > > > the> > > > > > > books by> > > > > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read> > even> > > > six> > > > > > > readers.> > > > > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed over aperiod> > > of> > > > > > time.> > > > > > > Other> > > > > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I> > think> > > > > > those> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > slightly confusing and little too detailed for thebeginner.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharmadivsintl@> > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSKoffers> > > > > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You can contact him at> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER> > > PLAZA,> > > > > > 769,> > > > > > > ANNA> > > > > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > > > > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Best regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh gajender.singh@ *> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@> > > > > > > > > Learning K P System> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .> > > > > > > > > Can I learn this on line?> > > > > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > > > > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> > > http://messenger. / invite/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get IndiaMessenger at> > http://in.messenger./?wm=n/> > >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

 

I had purchased these books directly from the author. I am not in touch

with Shri Sahasneji since last one year. You have been given some phone

numbers by me and some other member in some messages in last one week.

You may check on these and call him directly to find out, how you can

acquire his books.

 

But his books are available only in Hindi and Marathi.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar,

 

 

 

 

, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Bhaskarji,

>

> Will you pl. let me know whether Sahasnaji's book is available in

English. If it is so, please let me know the book seller's address from

whom I can it by VPP.

>

> With best wishes.

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

> -

> Bhaskar

>

> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:37 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

>

>

> Dear Gondhlekarji,

>

> You will first have to read the books to make that statement. Before

> reading, one should not pass such remarks on hard work done by

somebody

> who is into real astrology and also working not just for earning

money,

> but for real spread of the astrology science especially KP. How to use

> subLords for predictions is beautifully explained in these books

written

> by Sahasnaji. I request you to refrain from commenting on your

> contemporaries, especially without doing any homework.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , sunil gondhalekar sunilalaka@

> wrote:

> >

> > dear bhaskar,

> > the books suggested by you doesnt contain sublord theory and

> > eventhough you are suggesting it.surprising!!!

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> >

> > On 1/19/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear pradeepji,

> > >

> > > I would like to reply to this mail. Already you have been given

the

> > > direct numbers of Sahasneji. Did you try calling on those ? You

ahve

> not

> > > mentioned about that.

> > >

> > > If you have a contact in Bombay, then ask them to go to dadar

> station,

> > > ideal book depot and get the books from there. This is a famous

book

> > > shop. In delhi too you may try, i had heard that his books are

> avilable

> > > there too.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > <%40>,

> pradeep

> > > kumar goyal pkgoyalchd@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir    ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Sadar Namaskar

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir , IÂ , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of

your

> > > reputed,unique K P

> > > > System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learn

> A.B.C...of Kp

> > > System astrology.

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne

Ji

> in

> > > HINDI verson only

> > > > due to my english is poor.

> > > > Â

> > > > But, My great intrest to learn on this subject

> > > > Â

> > > > Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to know

the

> > > availability of books

> > > > by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on which

> publisher.

> > > Wheather that

> > > > Â books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?

> > > > Â

> > > > I am seeking your valuable guidence .

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanking you

> > > > With Best Regards

> > > > Â

> > > > Pradeep Goyal

> > > >

> > > > --- बॠध, 14/1/09 à¤.à¥<, pradeep kumar goyal

> > > pkgoyalchd@ नà¥? लिà¤-ा:

> > > >

> > > > दॠवारा: pradeep kumar goyal pkgoyalchd@

> > > > विषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System

> > > > <%40>

> > > > दिनाà¤,à¤.: बॠधवार, 14

> > > à¤oनवरà¥?, 2009, 12:33 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji        Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Sadar Namaskar

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with Shri

> Suresh

> > > Sahasne Ji.

> > > > Â

> > > > I want to receive there books in HINDI only.

> > > > Â

> > > > Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books Â

Â

> OR

> > > > Â

> > > > The books published is under which Publisher  Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â and

> > > > Â

> > > > wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH

> > > > Â

> > > > Â

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > Â

> > > > Pradeep Goyal

> > > >

> > > > --- बॠध, 14/1/09 à¤.à¥<, Bhaskar

> <bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > .co. in> नà¥? लिà¤-ा:

> > > >

> > > > दॠवारा: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co.

in>

> > > > विषय: Re: Learning K P System

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > दिनाà¤,à¤.: बॠधवार, 14

> > > à¤oनवरà¥?, 2009, 11:39 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeepji,

> > > >

> > > > Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is

> 9820564842.

> > > >

> > > > His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives

> > > appointment

> > > > only after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even though we

> are

> > > his

> > > > past students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just added

> info.)

> > > >

> > > > But you may try .

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal

> <pkgoyalchd@

> > > ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji

> > > > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > > â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬ â " ¬

> â " ¬ â " ¬

> > > â " ¬ â " ¬ Sadar Namaskar

> > > > > Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to this

> > > > group,have to learn A.B.C.D...

> > > > > ofâ " ¬ K P Systems Astrology.

> > > > > Thanks for reference and help

> > > > > I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji

in

> > > HINDI

> > > > verson.

> > > > > Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.

> > > > > Thanking you

> > > > > With best regards

> > > > > Pradeep Goyal

> > > > > Chandigarh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Ñ?дâ..Ñ?еÐ>Ñ?до, 12/1/09

Ñ?дХÑ?еÐ>,

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > Ñ?диÑ?еÐ- Ñ?дâ- " Ñ?дâ "

Ñ?дЦÑ?дâ.>:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ñ?джÑ?еÐ

Ñ?дâ.¡Ñ?дâ.>Ñ?дâ-`Ñ?дâ.>:

> Bhaskar

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ ....

> > > > > Ñ?дâ.¡Ñ?дâ " Ñ?дâ.-Ñ?дп:

Re:

> Learning K

> > > P System

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Ñ?джÑ?дâ "

Ñ?диÑ?дâ.>Ñ?дÐ'Ñ?дХ:

> > >

Ñ?дâ..Ñ?еÐ>Ñ?доÑ?дâ.¡Ñ?дâ.>Ñ?дâ-\

`, 12

> > > > Ñ?дЬÑ?диÑ?дâ.¡Ñ?дâ-`Ñ?еР, 2009,

11:55 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are not aware,

> > > > >

> > > > > Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2 volumes in marathii and

> also

> > > > > translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with hundreds

of

> Live

> > > > > examples of the modern day problems, and all of these examples

> are

> > > > > explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language to

> understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and is

> good

> > > even

> > > > > for those who have not learn traditional astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > The examples given here are among the best one could find and

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > explained honestly without trying to do any " fixing

astrology " .

> Many

> > > > > new techniques which are unconventional have been given too in

> these

> > > > two

> > > > > volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they were

> priced at

> > > > > Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for Rs.300-

An

> > > honest

> > > > > attempt ahs been made by this author for every student and

> expert in

> > > > KP,

> > > > > to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems of

the

> > > > present

> > > > > generation. I recommend these books even for the old

generation

> of

> > > KP

> > > > > astrologers.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not know

me

> by

> > > > name

> > > > > maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of Shri

> > > Sahasne

> > > > > ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain some

> respect

> > > in

> > > > > astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and also

> > > > understood

> > > > > the readers only after going through his books and Shri

> Chanrakant

> > > > Bhatt

> > > > > Sahab books.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the

author

> > > from

> > > > > whom I have learnt KP.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@

> ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Abhi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simple

> language

> > > > for

> > > > > > any beginner and expert both to understand. If you cant

> understand

> > > > his

> > > > > > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with

your

> > > > ownself

> > > > > > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on the

> > > author.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But I have understood with your query how much you can grasp

> KP.

> > > > Just

> > > > > > digest one book before you ask for others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, " abhi_ca_2004 "

> abhi_ca_2004@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DEAR PUNITJI,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESH

> SHAHASANE

> > > JI

> > > > -

> > > > > > > " KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 & 2 "

> > > > > > > BUT WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF

VARIUOS

> > > > > EXAMPLES

> > > > > > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP.

> > > > > > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI Chandrakant

> > > > Bhatt,FROM

> > > > > > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > REGARDS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ABHI

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punitji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I

advise

> all

> > > > > > > those who

> > > > > > > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend Shri

> > > > > Chandrakant

> > > > > > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree that

the

> > > > readers

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > very much confusing.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner

directly

> or

> > > > > > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course 15

> year

> > > > back

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > them, and there was no response once the money was gone.

> Just

> > > > > > > yesterday

> > > > > > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers forum,

at

> my

> > > > > place,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - No

> response.

> > > > > > > These are

> > > > > > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Some wrong managment of money in hands of wrong staff

> members

> > > or

> > > > > > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey "

> <punitp@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books

and

> > > > reading

> > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course

in

> my

> > > > > > > opinion. I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > saying that because I myself have participated in

> Jyotish

> > > > > Visharad

> > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read

> Nakshatra

> > > > > > > > Chintamani and

> > > > > > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant

> Bhatt

> > > and

> > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly

studied

> > > both

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > books by

> > > > > > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to

read

> > > even

> > > > > six

> > > > > > > > readers.

> > > > > > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a

> period

> > > > of

> > > > > > > time.

> > > > > > > > Other

> > > > > > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but

I

> > > think

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > slightly confusing and little too detailed for the

> beginner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma

> divsintl@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK

> offers

> > > > > > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You can contact him at

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR,

SPENCER

> > > > PLAZA,

> > > > > > > 769,

> > > > > > > > ANNA

> > > > > > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> > > > > > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Best regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh gajender.singh@

*

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@

> > > > > > > > > > Learning K P System

> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .

> > > > > > > > > > Can I learn this on line?

> > > > > > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?

> > > > > > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Dear PradeepI am also in chandigarh in 920 sector 39 Do contact me at 2690502. Maybe Ican help u in understanding KP..RegardsSujata--- On Mon, 19/1/09, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd wrote:pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchdRE: Re: Learning K P System Date: Monday, 19 January, 2009, 5:30 PM

 

My Dear Abhi

 

Thank you very much for providing publisher's address for books of Shri Suresh Shahasane Ji

Please also provid there email id or web site.

With Best Regards

Pradeep Goyal--- सोम, 19/1/09 को, CA ABHI <abhica2004 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> ने लिखा:

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: CA ABHI <abhica2004 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>विषय: RE: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: सोमवार, 19 जनवरी, 2009, 3:59 PM

 

 

 

 

Publisher’s Address for books of Shri Suresh Shahasaneji:

 

Shri Ganesh Prakashan,

89/100,Pardiwala Building,Sitaram Jadhav Marg,

Near Shah & Nahar Compound,

Lower Parel,Mumbai- 400013

Tel no.9820564842

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

 

CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV

MOB NO.98272-35856

 

 

 

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of pradeep kumar goyalMonday, January 19, 2009 2:27 PM@gro ups.comRe: Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )

 

Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

Sir , I , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of your reputed,unique K P

 

System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learn A.B.C...of Kp System astrology.

 

 

 

Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDI verson only

 

due to my english is poor.

 

 

 

But, My great intrest to learn on this subject

 

 

 

Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to know the availability of books

 

by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on which publisher. Wheather that

 

books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?

 

 

 

I am seeking your valuable guidence .

 

 

 

Thanking you

 

With Best Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd > ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd >विषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 12:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Bhaskar Ji Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji.

 

 

 

I want to receive there books in HINDI only.

 

 

 

Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books OR

 

 

 

The books published is under which Publisher and

 

 

 

wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ..co. in>विषय: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 11:39 AM

 

 

 

Dear Pradeepji,Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is 9820564842.His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives appointmentonly after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even though we are hispast students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just added info.)But you may try .regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd@ ...>wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji> ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Sadar Namaskar> Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to thisgroup,have to learn A.B.C.D...> of┬ K P Systems Astrology.> Thanks for reference

and

help> I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDIverson.> Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.> Thanking you> With best regards> Pradeep Goyal> Chandigarh>> --- рд╕реЛрдо, 12/1/09 рдХреЛ, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...рдиреЗ рд▓рдâ”рдЦрд╛:>> рджреÐрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛: Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .....> рд╡рдâ”рд╖рдп: Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> рджрдâ”рдирд╛рдВрдХ: рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рд░, 12рдЬрдирд╡рд░реÐ, 2009, 11:55 PM>>>>>>>> Those who are not aware,>> Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2 volumes in marathii and

also> translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with hundreds of Live> examples of the modern day problems, and all of these examples are> explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language to understand.>> The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and is good even> for those who have not learn traditional astrology.>> The examples given here are among the best one could find and havebeen> explained honestly without trying to do any "fixing astrology". Many> new techniques which are unconventional have been given too in thesetwo> volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they were priced at> Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for Rs.300- An honest> attempt ahs been made by this author for every student and expert inKP,> to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems of thepresent>

generation. I recommend these books even for the old generation of KP> astrologers.>> I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not know me byname> maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of Shri Sahasne> ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain some respect in> astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and alsounderstood> the readers only after going through his books and Shri ChanrakantBhatt> Sahab books.>> This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the author from> whom I have learnt KP.>> Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> wrote:> >> >> > Mr Abhi,> >> > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simple languagefor> > any beginner and expert both

to understand. If you cant understandhis> > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with yourownself> > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on the author.> >> > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.> >> > But I have understood with your query how much you can grasp KP.Just> > digest one book before you ask for others...> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "abhi_ca_2004" abhi_ca_2004@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > DEAR PUNITJI,> > >> > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESH SHAHASANE JI-> > > "KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 & 2"> > > BUT

WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF VARIUOS> EXAMPLES> > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.> > >> > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP...> > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI ChandrakantBhatt,FROM> > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.> > >> > > REGARDS> > >> > > ABHI> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji,> > > >> > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I advise all> > > those who>

> > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend Shri> Chandrakant> > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree that thereaders> > > are> > > > very much confusing.> > > >> > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner directly or> > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course 15 yearback> > > to> > > > them, and there was no response once the money was gone. Just> > > yesterday> > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers forum, at my> place,> > > and> > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - No response.> > > These are> > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.> > > >> > > > Some wrong managment of money in

hands of wrong staff members or> > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.> > > >> > > > regards> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp@>wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books andreading> > > them.> > > > There> > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my> > > opinion. I> > > > am> > > > > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish> Visharad> > > > course> > > > >

from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> > > > >> > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra> > > > Chintamani and> > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and> > > asking> > > > any> > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both> the> > > > books by> > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even> six> > > > readers.> > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a periodof> > > time.> > > > Other> > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think> > > those> > > > are> > > > > slightly confusing and little

too detailed for the beginner.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma divsintl@wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers> > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.> > > > > >> > > > > > You can contact him at> > > > > >> > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCERPLAZA,> > > 769,> > > > ANNA> > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > > Best regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh gajender.singh@ *wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@> > > > > > Learning K P System> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .> > > > > > Can I learn this on line?> > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> > > > > >> > >

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raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Mon, 19/1/09, CA ABHI <abhica2004 wrote:

CA ABHI <abhica2004RE: Re: Learning K P System Date: Monday, 19 January, 2009, 3:59 PM

 

 

Publisher’s Address for books of Shri Suresh Shahasaneji:

 

Shri Ganesh Prakashan,

89/100,Pardiwala Building,Sitaram Jadhav Marg,

Near Shah & Nahar Compound,

Lower Parel,Mumbai-400013

Tel no.9820564842

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

 

CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV

MOB NO.98272-35856

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pradeep kumar goyalMonday, January 19, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )

 

Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

Sir , I , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of your reputed,unique K P

 

System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learn A.B.C...of Kp System astrology.

 

 

 

Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDI verson only

 

due to my english is poor.

 

 

 

But, My great intrest to learn on this subject

 

 

 

Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to know the availability of books

 

by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on which publisher. Wheather that

 

books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?

 

 

 

I am seeking your valuable guidence .

 

 

 

Thanking you

 

With Best Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchdविषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System दिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 12:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Bhaskar Ji Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji.

 

 

 

I want to receive there books in HINDI only.

 

 

 

Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books OR

 

 

 

The books published is under which Publisher and

 

 

 

wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ..co. in>विषय: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 11:39 AM

 

 

 

Dear Pradeepji,Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is 9820564842.His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives appointmentonly after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even though we are hispast students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just added info.)But you may try .regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd@ ...>wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji> ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Sadar Namaskar> Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to thisgroup,have to learn A.B.C.D...> of┬ K P Systems Astrology.>

Thanks for reference and help> I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDIverson.> Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.> Thanking you> With best regards> Pradeep Goyal> Chandigarh>> --- рд╕реЛрдо, 12/1/09 рдХреЛ, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...рдиреЗ рд▓рдâ”рдЦрд╛:>> рджреÐрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛: Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> рд╡рдâ”рд╖рдп: Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> рджрдâ”рдирд╛рдВрдХ: рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рд░, 12рдЬрдирд╡рд░реÐ, 2009, 11:55 PM>>>>>>>> Those who are not aware,>> Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2

volumes in marathii and also> translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with hundreds of Live> examples of the modern day problems, and all of these examples are> explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language to understand.>> The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and is good even> for those who have not learn traditional astrology.>> The examples given here are among the best one could find and havebeen> explained honestly without trying to do any "fixing astrology". Many> new techniques which are unconventional have been given too in thesetwo> volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they were priced at> Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for Rs.300- An honest> attempt ahs been made by this author for every student and expert inKP,> to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems of

thepresent> generation. I recommend these books even for the old generation of KP> astrologers.>> I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not know me byname> maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of Shri Sahasne> ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain some respect in> astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and alsounderstood> the readers only after going through his books and Shri ChanrakantBhatt> Sahab books.>> This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the author from> whom I have learnt KP.>> Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> wrote:> >> >> > Mr Abhi,> >> > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simple languagefor> > any

beginner and expert both to understand. If you cant understandhis> > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with yourownself> > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on the author.> >> > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.> >> > But I have understood with your query how much you can grasp KP.Just> > digest one book before you ask for others.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "abhi_ca_2004" abhi_ca_2004@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > DEAR PUNITJI,> > >> > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESH SHAHASANE JI-> > > "KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 &

2"> > > BUT WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF VARIUOS> EXAMPLES> > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.> > >> > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP.> > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI ChandrakantBhatt,FROM> > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.> > >> > > REGARDS> > >> > > ABHI> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji,> > > >> > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I advise all> >

> those who> > > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend Shri> Chandrakant> > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree that thereaders> > > are> > > > very much confusing.> > > >> > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner directly or> > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course 15 yearback> > > to> > > > them, and there was no response once the money was gone. Just> > > yesterday> > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers forum, at my> place,> > > and> > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - No response.> > > These are> > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.> > > >> > > > Some wrong

managment of money in hands of wrong staff members or> > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.> > > >> > > > regards> > > >> > > > Bhaskar..> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp@>wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books andreading> > > them.> > > > There> > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my> > > opinion. I> > > > am> > > > > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish> Visharad> > > >

course> > > > > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> > > > >> > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra> > > > Chintamani and> > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and> > > asking> > > > any> > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both> the> > > > books by> > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even> six> > > > readers.> > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a periodof> > > time.> > > > Other> > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think> > > those> > > > are> > > >

> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma divsintl@wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers> > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.> > > > > >> > > > > > You can contact him at> > > > > >> > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCERPLAZA,> > > 769,> > > > ANNA> > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in> > > >

> >> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh gajender.singh@ *wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@> > > > > > Learning K P System> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .> > > > > > Can I learn this on line?> > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> >

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Pradeep kumar Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 21/1/09 को, sujata das <sujatadash1 ने लिखा:

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: sujata das <sujatadash1विषय: RE: Re: Learning K P System दिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 21 जनवरी, 2009, 8:07 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear PradeepI am also in chandigarh in 920 sector 39 Do contact me at 2690502. Maybe Ican help u in understanding KP..RegardsSujata--- On Mon, 19/1/09, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd > wrote:

pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd >RE: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comMonday, 19 January, 2009, 5:30 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My Dear Abhi

 

Thank you very much for providing publisher's address for books of Shri Suresh Shahasane Ji

Please also provid there email id or web site.

With Best Regards

Pradeep Goyal--- सोम, 19/1/09 को, CA ABHI <abhica2004 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> ने लिखा:

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: CA ABHI <abhica2004 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>विषय: RE: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: सोमवार, 19 जनवरी, 2009, 3:59 PM

 

 

 

 

Publisher’s Address for books of Shri Suresh Shahasaneji:

 

Shri Ganesh Prakashan,

89/100,Pardiwala Building,Sitaram Jadhav Marg,

Near Shah & Nahar Compound,

Lower Parel,Mumbai- 400013

Tel no.9820564842

Regards,

CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV MOB NO.98272-35856

 

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of pradeep kumar goyalMonday, January 19, 2009 2:27 PM@gro ups.comRe: Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )

 

Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

Sir , I , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of your reputed,unique K P

 

System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learn A.B.C...of Kp System astrology.

 

 

 

Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDI verson only

 

due to my english is poor.

 

 

 

But, My great intrest to learn on this subject

 

 

 

Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to know the availability of books

 

by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on which publisher. Wheather that

 

books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?

 

 

 

I am seeking your valuable guidence .

 

 

 

Thanking you

 

With Best Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd > ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd >विषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 12:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Bhaskar Ji Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji.

 

 

 

I want to receive there books in HINDI only.

 

 

 

Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books OR

 

 

 

The books published is under which Publisher and

 

 

 

wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ..co. in>विषय: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 11:39 AM

 

 

Dear Pradeepji,Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is 9820564842.His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives appointmentonly after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even though we are hispast students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just added info.)But you may try .regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd@ ...>wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji> ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Sadar Namaskar> Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to thisgroup,have to learn A.B.C.D...> of┬ K P Systems Astrology.> Thanks for reference and

help> I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDIverson.> Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.> Thanking you> With best regards> Pradeep Goyal> Chandigarh>> --- рд╕реЛрдо, 12/1/09 рдХреЛ, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...рдиреЗ рд▓рдâ”рдЦрд╛:>> рджреÐрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛: Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ......> рд╡рдâ”рд╖рдп: Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> рджрдâ”рдирд╛рдВрдХ: рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рд░, 12рдЬрдирд╡рд░реÐ, 2009, 11:55 PM>>>>>>>> Those who are not aware,>> Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2 volumes in marathii and

also> translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with hundreds of Live> examples of the modern day problems, and all of these examples are> explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language to understand.>> The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and is good even> for those who have not learn traditional astrology.>> The examples given here are among the best one could find and havebeen> explained honestly without trying to do any "fixing astrology". Many> new techniques which are unconventional have been given too in thesetwo> volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they were priced at> Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for Rs.300- An honest> attempt ahs been made by this author for every student and expert inKP,> to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems of thepresent>

generation. I recommend these books even for the old generation of KP> astrologers.>> I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not know me byname> maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of Shri Sahasne> ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain some respect in> astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and alsounderstood> the readers only after going through his books and Shri ChanrakantBhatt> Sahab books.>> This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the author from> whom I have learnt KP.>> Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> wrote:> >> >> > Mr Abhi,> >> > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simple languagefor> > any beginner and expert both

to understand. If you cant understandhis> > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with yourownself> > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on the author.> >> > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.> >> > But I have understood with your query how much you can grasp KP.Just> > digest one book before you ask for others....> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "abhi_ca_2004" abhi_ca_2004@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > DEAR PUNITJI,> > >> > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESH SHAHASANE JI-> > > "KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 & 2"> > > BUT

WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF VARIUOS> EXAMPLES> > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.> > >> > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP....> > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI ChandrakantBhatt,FROM> > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.> > >> > > REGARDS> > >> > > ABHI> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji,> > > >> > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I advise all> > > those who>

> > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend Shri> Chandrakant> > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree that thereaders> > > are> > > > very much confusing.> > > >> > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner directly or> > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course 15 yearback> > > to> > > > them, and there was no response once the money was gone. Just> > > yesterday> > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers forum, at my> place,> > > and> > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - No response.> > > These are> > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.> > > >> > > > Some wrong managment of money in

hands of wrong staff members or> > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.> > > >> > > > regards> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp@>wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books andreading> > > them.> > > > There> > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my> > > opinion. I> > > > am> > > > > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish> Visharad> > > > course> > > > >

from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> > > > >> > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra> > > > Chintamani and> > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and> > > asking> > > > any> > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both> the> > > > books by> > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even> six> > > > readers.> > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a periodof> > > time.> > > > Other> > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think> > > those> > > > are> > > > > slightly confusing and little

too detailed for the beginner.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma divsintl@wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers> > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.> > > > > >> > > > > > You can contact him at> > > > > >> > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCERPLAZA,> > > 769,> > > > ANNA> > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in> > > > > >> > > > >

>> > > > > > Best regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh gajender.singh@ *wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@> > > > > > Learning K P System> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .> > > > > > Can I learn this on line?> > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> > > > > >> > >

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raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Thu, 22/1/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurarRE: Re: Learning K P SystemDate: Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 12:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

thanks. I could not get the publishers on phone.

Can you get them and askthem to Phone at 2506 3609 Please

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CA ABHI <abhica2004RE: Re: Learning K P System Date: Monday, 19 January, 2009, 3:59 PM

 

 

Publisher’s Address for books of Shri Suresh Shahasaneji:

 

Shri Ganesh Prakashan, 89/100,Pardiwala Building,Sitaram Jadhav Marg, Near Shah & Nahar Compound, Lower Parel,Mumbai-400013 Tel no.9820564842

Regards,

CA ABHISHEK SHRIVASTAV MOB NO.98272-35856

 

On Behalf Of pradeep kumar goyalMonday, January 19, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sir ( Shri Punit Pandey Ji )

 

Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

 

 

Sir , I , Pradeep Goyal from Chandigarh a New student of your reputed,unique K P

 

 

System Group,recently joined to this group,want to learn A.B.C...of Kp System astrology.

 

 

 

Sir, I want to receive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDI verson only

 

due to my english is poor.

 

 

 

But, My great intrest to learn on this subject

 

 

 

Kindly give me information as to whom shall I contact to know the availability of books

 

by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji OR the books published on which publisher. Wheather that

 

books will be avalable in Chandigarh ?

 

 

 

I am seeking your valuable guidence .

 

 

 

Thanking you

 

With Best Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchdविषय: Re: Re: Learning K P System दिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 12:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Bhaskar Ji Sadar Namaskar

 

 

 

 

 

Sir, I am not interested for personal consultations with Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji.

 

 

 

 

I want to receive there books in HINDI only.

 

 

 

Kindly let me know the peocesure to get there books OR

 

 

 

The books published is under which Publisher and

 

 

 

wheather that books will be avalable in CHANDIGARH

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards

 

 

 

Pradeep Goyal--- बà¥à¤§, 14/1/09 को, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> ने लिखा:

 

दà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤°à¤¾: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ..co. in>विषय: Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comदिनांक: बà¥à¤§à¤µà¤¾à¤°, 14 जनवरी, 2009, 11:39 AM

 

 

Dear Pradeepji,Shri Suresh Sahasnaji's no. is 24910971 and cell no. is 9820564842.His numbers are very difficult to get across. He also gives appointmentonly after 1-2 months.for personal consultations. Even though we are hispast students it is difficult to meet him. ( This is just added info.)But you may try .regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, pradeep kumar goyal <pkgoyalchd@ ...>wrote:>> Respected Bhaskar Ji> ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ ┬ Sadar Namaskar> Sir, I am Pradeep Goyal new student ,recently joined to thisgroup,have to learn A.B.C.D...> of┬ K P Systems Astrology.>

Thanks for reference and help> I want to recive the books written by Shri Suresh Sahasne Ji in HINDIverson.> Kindly let me know the procesure to get it.> Thanking you> With best regards> Pradeep Goyal> Chandigarh>> --- рд╕реЛрдо, 12/1/09 рдХреЛ, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...рдиреЗ рд▓рдâ”рдЦрд╛:>> рджреÐрд╡рд╛рд░рд╛: Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> рд╡рдâ”рд╖рдп: Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> рджрдâ”рдирд╛рдВрдХ: рд╕реЛрдорд╡рд╛рд░, 12рдЬрдирд╡рд░реÐ, 2009, 11:55 PM>>>>>>>> Those who are not aware,>> Shri Suresh Sahasne ji, has written 2

volumes in marathii and also> translated in Hindi ( these are much better ), with hundreds of Live> examples of the modern day problems, and all of these examples are> explained within 2-3 pages each, in simple language to understand.>> The books starts with basic introduction of astrology and is good even> for those who have not learn traditional astrology.>> The examples given here are among the best one could find and havebeen> explained honestly without trying to do any "fixing astrology". Many> new techniques which are unconventional have been given too in thesetwo> volumes. When I last purchased them 3 years back they were priced at> Rs.500 MRP but he gave these to us students only for Rs.300- An honest> attempt ahs been made by this author for every student and expert inKP,> to rectify the birth times and solve day to day problems of

thepresent> generation. I recommend these books even for the old generation of KP> astrologers.>> I am not an agent or relative or a contact ( He does not know me byname> maybe by face he may recognise or not, I do not know) of Shri Sahasne> ji, but have learnt Kp from him, and been able to gain some respect in> astrology field only due to his books and teachings, and alsounderstood> the readers only after going through his books and Shri ChanrakantBhatt> Sahab books.>> This is written with a garteful and thankful heart to the author from> whom I have learnt KP.>> Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> wrote:> >> >> > Mr Abhi,> >> > Shri Suresh Sahasne has written the best books in simple languagefor> > any

beginner and expert both to understand. If you cant understandhis> > books and find them incorrect then the problem lies with yourownself> > and the software you use, and please do not put blame on the author.> >> > I rate it as a jewel among the finest books to learn KP.> >> > But I have understood with your query how much you can grasp KP.Just> > digest one book before you ask for others.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "abhi_ca_2004" abhi_ca_2004@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > DEAR PUNITJI,> > >> > > I'VE LEARNED KP THROUGH BOOKS WRITEEN BY SHRI SURESH SHAHASANE JI-> > > "KRISHNAMURTHY JTOTISH RAHASYA-PHALADESH KHAND,VOL 1 &

2"> > > BUT WHEN I CHECKED HOROSCOPES (THROUGH SOFTWARES) OF VARIUOS> EXAMPLES> > > GIVEN IN THAT BOOKS,I FOUND THOSE TO BE INCORRECT.> > >> > > HOW DO U RATE THIS BOOK AS A TOOL TO LEARN KP.> > > PLZ ALSO GIVE DETAILS REGARDING BOOKS OF SHRI ChandrakantBhatt,FROM> > > WHERE ONE CAN GET THOSE BOOKS.> > >> > > REGARDS> > >> > > ABHI> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji,> > > >> > > > A beautiful unbiased reply, which is eaxctly what I advise all> >

> those who> > > > come to me asking how to learn KP. I too recommend Shri> Chandrakant> > > > Bhatts books first, and then the Readers. I agree that thereaders> > > are> > > > very much confusing.> > > >> > > > I do not know Sons of Kp personally in any manner directly or> > > > indirectly. I remember of sending money for a course 15 yearback> > > to> > > > them, and there was no response once the money was gone. Just> > > yesterday> > > > I had a visitor of the Interntional Astronomers forum, at my> place,> > > and> > > > he too had a bad experience after sending money - No response.> > > These are> > > > cases from first hand and not on hearsay.> > > >> > > > Some wrong

managment of money in hands of wrong staff members or> > > > whatever, I dont know and neither care.> > > >> > > > regards> > > >> > > > Bhaskar...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp@>wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books andreading> > > them.> > > > There> > > > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my> > > opinion. I> > > > am> > > > > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish> Visharad> > > >

course> > > > > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> > > > >> > > > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra> > > > Chintamani and> > > > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and> > > asking> > > > any> > > > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both> the> > > > books by> > > > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even> six> > > > readers.> > > > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a periodof> > > time.> > > > Other> > > > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think> > > those> > > > are> > > >

> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma divsintl@wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers> > > > > > correspondence course as well as books.> > > > > >> > > > > > You can contact him at> > > > > >> > > > > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCERPLAZA,> > > 769,> > > > ANNA> > > > > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > > > > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in> > > >

> >> > > > > >> > > > > > Best regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Raakesh K Sharma> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On *Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh gajender.singh@ *wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Gajender Singh gajender.singh@> > > > > > Learning K P System> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I would like to learn K P System .> > > > > > Can I learn this on line?> > > > > > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > > > > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> >

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Dear Punit Pandey

 

Ruling planets:

Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new concept. In the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet. Mr.KSK has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read somewhere that Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will inform you in which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.

 

He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the technical know how from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at less price than the western people.

 

Application of Sublord:

Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in Vimsothari System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for prediction by the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional astrologers are aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is superior than the starlord.

 

Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara applied this concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the planets. For Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.

 

In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal parts. Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory, divided the stars equally.

 

Planets gives the result of the star:

 

Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result of the star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the planet moon is not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another example that the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.

 

KP Ayanamsa:

 

It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The annual difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.

 

What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in tradition. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Learning K P System Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK. There are many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp ayanamsa, planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit. Though 'Sub Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of the sub lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove otherwise. Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a book without using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology' seems a good suggestion. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mr.Sunil Sharma

 

Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from tradition and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The title of the proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar astrology, etc.

 

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

 

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comSunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanbalan ji,In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission just on the basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP Readers are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At least that is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.RegardsSunil

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan@ >

 

 

Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..comSaturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raichur

I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in page ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar publications, New Delhi ."

Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes by adding the articles of KP astrologers.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurar >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comCc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear punitji and others

j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

in Book2 Page 2 the details are

 

Oct over 1971

June 1975

 

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©

 

This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into any language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author

 

Price Rs 11-00

 

Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

 

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Learning K P System@gro ups..comFriday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey

Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not violation of copy right?

 

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.comTuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

 

 

Sunil ji,QUOTEThe Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work of corporate authorship.UNQUOTEI have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not very

good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Raichur ji,I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.RegardsSunil--- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

Raichur-a-r <raichurar > Re: Learning K P System@gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21@ >Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sharma

The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

 

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >Re: Learning K P System

@gro ups.com

Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

 

 

Dear Swami ji,Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be re-written to be readily understood by beginners.I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get them? I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which is a welcome idea.RegardsSunil

 

 

 

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>@gro ups.com

 

Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PMRe: Learning K P System

 

 

 

 

 

 

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Punit ji,

Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best one.

However , Students will do well if they read & digest Astrosecrets,Writings of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before reading KP Readers.

KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

 

Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are followed.

with regards

 

OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

 

-

Punit Pandey

@gro ups.com

Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

Re: Learning K P System

 

 

 

Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

 

In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers. This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence course as well as books.You can contact him at KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.E-mail : kpsari. net.inBest regardsRaakesh K Sharma --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

 

Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

Learning K P System

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I would like to learn K P System .

Can I learn this on line?

Can I buy a course and learn ?

If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,

 

I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea and

improvise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definition

of copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis of

astrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.

 

Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of the

points mentioned.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

On 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

> Dear Punit Pandey

>

> Ruling planets:

> Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new concept. In

> the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet. Mr.KSK

> has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read somewhere that

> Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will inform you in

> which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT I

HAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,

MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OF

RULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY

OF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE IT

IS MERE SPECULATION.

 

USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULD

APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.

 

EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THE

WAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATION

FROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.

 

>

> He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the technical know how

> from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at less price

> than the western people.

>

> Application of Sublord:

> Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in Vimsothari

> System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for prediction by

> the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional astrologers are

> aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before

> Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is superior than

> the starlord.

CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OF

ALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUT

RULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?

 

>

> Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara applied this

> concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the planets. For

> Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.

CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS BY MEENA

AND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.

 

>

> In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal parts.

> Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory, divided

> the stars equally.

IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. I

CAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL IN

ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.

 

>

> Planets gives the result of the star:

>

> Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result of the

> star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the planet moon is

> not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another example that

> the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.

AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORD

AS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANY

CLASSICAL BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVE

RESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.

 

>

> KP Ayanamsa:

>

> It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The annual

> difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan

> published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.

IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASE

TELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?

 

>

> What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in

> tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.

SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICAL

ASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THAT

TOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.

 

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK. There are

> many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp ayanamsa,

> planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit. Though 'Sub

> Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of the sub

> lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove

> otherwise.

>

> Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a book without

> using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology' seems a

> good suggestion.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

Mr.Sunil Sharma

>

> Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from tradition

> and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The title of the

> proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar astrology,

> etc.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

>

> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>

>

> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM

>

>

>

>

Dear Dhanbalan ji,

> In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission just on the

> basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP Readers

> are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At least that

> is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..

> We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.

> Regards

> Sunil

>

> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Dhanabalan R " <r.dhanabalan@ >

>

>

>

> Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM

>

>

so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

>

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups..com

> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

>

Dear Raichur

>

> I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am

> reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in page

> ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in

> whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under

> arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

> publications, New Delhi . "

>

> Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes

> by adding the articles of KP astrologers.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

>

>

>

dear punitji and others

> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> in Book2 Page 2 the details are

>

> Oct over 1971

> June 1975

>

>

> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©

>

> This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into any

> language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author

>

> Price Rs 11-00

>

> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

>

>

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups..com

> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

>

Dear Punit Pandey

> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP

> Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

> violation of copy right?

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

>

>

>

>

> Sunil ji,

>

> QUOTE

> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in

> the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright

> would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work

> of corporate authorship.

> UNQUOTE

>

> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not

> very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dear Raichur ji,

> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not

> wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright

> laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the

> readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a

> workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP

> Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.

> Regards

> Sunil

>

> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

>

> Re: Learning K P System

> @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@ >

> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Sharma

> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws

>

> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

>

> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

>

>

> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

>

> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Swami ji,

> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and

> every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being

> disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in 3rd reader

> is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be

> re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get

> them?

> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which

> is a welcome idea.

> Regards

> Sunil

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

>

>

>

> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

>

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> Dear Punit ji,

> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best

> one.

> However , Students will do well if they read & digest Astrosecrets,Writings

> of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before

> reading KP Readers.

> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

>

> Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are

> followed.

> with regards

>

>

> OM TATSAT

> RCSrivastava

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --

>

>

> -

> Punit Pandey

> @gro ups.com

> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> Re: Learning K P System

>

>

>

>

> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There

> is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am

> saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course

> from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

>

> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and

> Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any

> question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by

> Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers.

> This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other

> senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are

> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:

>

>

>

>

Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence

> course as well as books.

>

> You can contact him at

>

>

> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA

> SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> E-mail : kpsari. net.in

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Raakesh K Sharma

>

>

> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

>

>

> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

>

> Learning K P System

>

> @gro ups.com

> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

>

>

I would like to learn K P System .

> Can I learn this on line?

> Can I buy a course and learn ?

> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Punit ji, Dhnabalan ji,I think 'inspired' could be a better word. 'Copied' may not be technically correct.All knowledge springs from the eternal knowledgebase. It gets revealed to us in parts, as and when we are ready for it. When the time is ripe, many groups in various parts of world take up similar studies and researches. Our knowledge in astrology at this moment is fragmented and incomplete, yet the traditional knowledge has been our main resource for all researches and studies.

There are big gaps and missing links in what we have in hands now in the name of vedic/traditional astrology. Much of the knowledge about the finer techniques and nuances of astrology have been closely guarded and held in the name of tradition, family and parampara.

A true scientific mind like the great Sh Krishnamurthy's has been able to build concrete blocks on this fragmented base. Obviously, there will be parallels between the two systems, as KP is basically drawn out from traditional. But the beauty lies in its very scientific application and relicability.

KP is really the 'crème de la crème' of astrological systems, the amrit obtained from the great churning done by the Master, and served to the community of astrologers for precision and finesse in predictions. Like any scientific knowledge and research, this should be also taken forward in the same spirit and supplementing it with innovations.

Best RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit Pandey

 

C.G.Rajan has published his ayanamsa in his tamil book “Jataka kanitham-part I” in the year 1940. Mr.KSK has published his ayanamsa in the year 1965. Mr.KSK has simply added two minutes with the C.G.Rajan ayanamsa. The yearly increment are same. Starting year for both is 1840. Ending year for C.G.Rajan is year 2000 and for K.P. 2001.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Year

 

C.G.Rajan

Ayanamsam

 

K.P.

Ayanamsam

 

 

1840

 

21-29

 

21-31

 

 

1850

 

21-38

 

21-40

 

 

1860

 

21-45

 

21-48

 

 

1870

 

21-55

 

21-57

 

 

1880

 

22-03

 

22-05

 

 

1890

 

22-11

 

22-13

 

 

1900

 

22-20

 

22-22

 

 

1910

 

22-28

 

22-31

 

 

1920

 

22-37

 

22-39

 

 

1930

 

22-45

 

22-47

 

 

1940

 

22-53

 

22-55

 

 

1950

 

23-02

 

23-04

 

 

1960

 

23-10

 

23-12

 

 

1970

 

23-18

 

23-20

 

 

1980

 

23-27

 

23-29

 

 

1990

 

23-35

 

23-37

 

 

2000

 

23-44

 

23-46

 

 

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp <punitp wrote:

punitp <punitpRe: Learning K P System Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea andimprovise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definitionof copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis ofastrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of thepoints mentioned.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> Dear Punit Pandey>> Ruling planets:> Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new concept. In> the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet. Mr.KSK> has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read somewhere that> Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will inform

you in> which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT IHAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OFRULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANYOF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE ITIS MERE SPECULATION.USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULDAPPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THEWAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATIONFROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.>> He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the technical know how> from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at less price> than the western

people.>> Application of Sublord:> Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in Vimsothari> System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for prediction by> the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional astrologers are> aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before> Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is superior than> the starlord.CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OFALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUTRULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?>> Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara applied this> concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the planets. For> Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS

BY MEENAAND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.>> In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal parts.> Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory, divided> the stars equally.IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. ICAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL INASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.>> Planets gives the result of the star:>> Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result of the> star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the planet moon is> not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another example that> the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORDAS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANYCLASSICAL

BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVERESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.>> KP Ayanamsa:>> It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The annual> difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan> published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASETELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?>> What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in> tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICALASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THATTOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK. There are> many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp ayanamsa,> planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit. Though 'Sub> Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of the sub> lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove> otherwise.>> Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if

s/he writes a book without> using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology' seems a> good suggestion.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr.Sunil Sharma>> Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from tradition> and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The title of the> proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar astrology,> etc.>> Dhanabalan>>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> Re: Learning K P

System> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanbalan ji,> In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission just on the> basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP Readers> are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At least that> is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..> We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan@ >>>>> Sunday,

January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM>>>>>>>>> so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups..com> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur>> I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am> reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in page> ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in> whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under> arrangement with the author..

Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar> publications, New Delhi .">> Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes> by adding the articles of KP astrologers.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM>>>>>>>>>> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are>> Oct over 1971> June 1975>>> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©>> This book shoud

not be reproduced by any means or translated into any> language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author>> Price Rs 11-00>> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups...com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP> Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not> violation of copy right?>>

Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in> the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright> would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work> of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not> very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM,

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not> wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright> laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the> readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a> workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP> Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21@

>> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ..com>> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and> every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue.. Without being> disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that

the language used in 3rd reader> is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be> re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get> them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which> is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>>>>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best> one.> However , Students will do well if they

read & digest Astrosecrets, Writings> of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before> reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.>> Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are> followed.> with regards>>> OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -->>> -> Punit Pandey>

@gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There> is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am> saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course> from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.>> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and> Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any> question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by> Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers.> This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other> senior KP astrologers may

recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence> course as well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA> SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari. net.in>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>>>

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Ruling planet concept from Brihat Jataka:

 

With reference to KP Reader III 2004 edition, under the topic ¡Birth time rectification¢, at page 502 and 503, Mr.KSK said that the Birth chart Ascendent signlord, starlord, sublord and subsublord are the ruling plants at the time of query. i.e. daylord, moon signlord, moon starlord and lagna lord. Mr.KSK stopped with subsublord and he has not included the lagna starlord as Ruling Planet. Now we are going to subsubsub level and included the lagna starlord also as Ruling Planet.

 

Mr.KSK himself said that he has taken this concept from Brihat Jataka. Navamsa lagna at the time of query comes as lagna of birth chart.

 

I will convey further information about Ruling Planets in tradition astrology in course of time. I am 100% confidence that the concept of Ruling planets is in tradition astrology. In tradition, the daylord is not taken. Navamsa lagnalord is taken. In this connection, I have already sent message to this forum about five months back. I have to search the books where I have taken.

 

 

Prediction in Naadi astrology using nadiamsa:

Each sign is divided into 150 parts and assigned separate name for each division as nadiamsa. Dhruva nadi contains 150 unequal nadiamsa. For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary combinations. C.G.Rajan has tried to translate the Dhruvanadi but he did not complete the work. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary combinations are available in his books part-II and part III of ¡Jataka Kanitham¢. Prediction for all nadiamsa with all planetary combinations will run for 10000 pages.

 

Devakeralam (Chandrakala nadi) also assigned different names for 150 equal nadiamsa. For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary combinations. Mr.R.Santhanam translated the Devakeralam. Sagar publications. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary combinations are available in his books part-I, II and part III. I have all the three volumes.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp <punitp wrote:

punitp <punitpRe: Learning K P System Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea andimprovise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definitionof copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis ofastrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of thepoints mentioned.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> Dear Punit Pandey>> Ruling planets:> Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new concept. In> the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet. Mr.KSK> has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read somewhere that> Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will inform

you in> which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT IHAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OFRULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANYOF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE ITIS MERE SPECULATION.USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULDAPPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THEWAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATIONFROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.>> He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the technical know how> from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at less price> than the western

people.>> Application of Sublord:> Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in Vimsothari> System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for prediction by> the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional astrologers are> aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before> Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is superior than> the starlord.CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OFALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUTRULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?>> Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara applied this> concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the planets. For> Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS

BY MEENAAND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.>> In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal parts.> Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory, divided> the stars equally.IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. ICAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL INASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.>> Planets gives the result of the star:>> Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result of the> star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the planet moon is> not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another example that> the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORDAS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANYCLASSICAL

BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVERESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.>> KP Ayanamsa:>> It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The annual> difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan> published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASETELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?>> What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in> tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICALASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THATTOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK. There are> many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp ayanamsa,> planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit. Though 'Sub> Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of the sub> lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove> otherwise.>> Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if

s/he writes a book without> using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology' seems a> good suggestion.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr.Sunil Sharma>> Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from tradition> and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The title of the> proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar astrology,> etc.>> Dhanabalan>>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> Re: Learning K P

System> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanbalan ji,> In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission just on the> basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP Readers> are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At least that> is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..> We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan@ >>>>> Sunday,

January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM>>>>>>>>> so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups..com> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur>> I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am> reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in page> ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in> whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under> arrangement with the author..

Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar> publications, New Delhi .">> Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes> by adding the articles of KP astrologers.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM>>>>>>>>>> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are>> Oct over 1971> June 1975>>> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©>> This book shoud

not be reproduced by any means or translated into any> language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author>> Price Rs 11-00>> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups...com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP> Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not> violation of copy right?>>

Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in> the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright> would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work> of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not> very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM,

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not> wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright> laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the> readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a> workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP> Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21@

>> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ..com>> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and> every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue.. Without being> disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that

the language used in 3rd reader> is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be> re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get> them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which> is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>>>>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best> one.> However , Students will do well if they

read & digest Astrosecrets, Writings> of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before> reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.>> Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are> followed.> with regards>>> OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -->>> -> Punit Pandey>

@gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There> is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am> saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course> from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.>> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and> Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any> question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by> Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers.> This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other> senior KP astrologers may

recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence> course as well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA> SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari. net.in>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:>>>

Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>>> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>> Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

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raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 24/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Learning K P SystemDate: Saturday, 24 January, 2009, 11:44 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey C.G.Rajan has published his ayanamsa in his tamil book “Jataka kanitham-part I†in the year 1940. Mr.KSK has published his ayanamsa in the year 1965. Mr.KSK has simply added two minutes with the C.G.Rajan ayanamsa. The yearly increment are same. Starting year for both is 1840. Ending year for C.G.Rajan is year 2000 and for K.P. 2001.

 

 

 

Year

 

C.G.Rajan Ayanamsam

 

K.P. Ayanamsam

 

 

1840

 

21-29

 

21-31

 

 

1850

 

21-38

 

21-40

 

 

1860

 

21-45

 

21-48

 

 

1870

 

21-55

 

21-57

 

 

1880

 

22-03

 

22-05

 

 

1890

 

22-11

 

22-13

 

 

1900

 

22-20

 

22-22

 

 

1910

 

22-28

 

22-31

 

 

1920

 

22-37

 

22-39

 

 

1930

 

22-45

 

22-47

 

 

1940

 

22-53

 

22-55

 

 

1950

 

23-02

 

23-04

 

 

1960

 

23-10

 

23-12

 

 

1970

 

23-18

 

23-20

 

 

1980

 

23-27

 

23-29

 

 

1990

 

23-35

 

23-37

 

 

2000

 

23-44

 

23-46

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp <punitp wrote:

punitp <punitpRe: Learning K P System Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea andimprovise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definitionof copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis ofastrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of thepoints mentioned.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> Dear Punit Pandey>> Ruling planets:> Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new concept. In> the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet. Mr.KSK> has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read somewhere that> Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will inform

you in> which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT IHAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OFRULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANYOF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE ITIS MERE SPECULATION.USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULDAPPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THEWAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATIONFROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.>> He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the technical know how> from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at less price> than the western

people.>> Application of Sublord:> Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in Vimsothari> System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for prediction by> the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional astrologers are> aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before> Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is superior than> the starlord.CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OFALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUTRULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?>> Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara applied this> concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the planets. For> Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS

BY MEENAAND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.>> In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal parts.> Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory, divided> the stars equally.IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. ICAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL INASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.>> Planets gives the result of the star:>> Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result of the> star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the planet moon is> not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another example that> the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORDAS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANYCLASSICAL

BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVERESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.>> KP Ayanamsa:>> It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The annual> difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan> published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASETELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?>> What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in> tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICALASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THATTOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK. There are> many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp ayanamsa,> planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit. Though 'Sub> Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of the sub> lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove> otherwise.>> Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if

s/he writes a book without> using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology' seems a> good suggestion.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr.Sunil Sharma>> Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from tradition> and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The title of the> proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar astrology,> etc.>> Dhanabalan>>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> Re: Learning K P

System> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanbalan ji,> In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission just on the> basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP Readers> are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At least that> is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..> We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan@ >>>>> Sunday,

January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM>>>>>>>>> so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups..com> Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur>> I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by Sagar. I am> reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume, in page> ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any means, in> whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under> arrangement with the author..

Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar> publications, New Delhi .">> Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six volumes> by adding the articles of KP astrologers.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM>>>>>>>>>> dear punitji and others> j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> in Book2 Page 2 the details are>> Oct over 1971> June 1975>>> ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©>> This book shoud

not be reproduced by any means or translated into any> language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author>> Price Rs 11-00>> Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17>>> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:>> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups....com> Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM>>>>>>>> Dear Punit Pandey> Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar> Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied in the 6 KP> Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not> violation of copy right?>>

Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM>>>>> Sunil ji,>> QUOTE> The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright terms in> the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976, copyright> would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years for a work> of corporate authorship.> UNQUOTE>> I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my experience is not> very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM,

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Raichur ji,> I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period. If I am not> wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if copyright> laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners, amend the> readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a> workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP> Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.> Regards> Sunil>> --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:>> Raichur-a-r <raichurar >>> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21@

>> Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sharma> The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right Laws>> Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609>> --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:>>> Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ...com>> Re: Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com>> Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM>>>>>> Dear Swami ji,> Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since 1992 and> every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue.. Without being> disrespectful to anyone, I have to say

that the language used in 3rd reader> is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes should be> re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where can I get> them?> I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence courses which> is a welcome idea.> Regards> Sunil>>>>>>> swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>>>>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Punit ji,> Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this appoach best> one.> However , Students will do well if

they read & digest Astrosecrets, Writings> of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before> reading KP Readers.> KP readers is a must But not for Starters.>> Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your suggestions are> followed.> with regards>>> OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -->>> -> Punit

Pandey> @gro ups.com> Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> Re: Learning K P System>>>>> Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading them. There> is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my opinion. I am> saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad course> from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.>> In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra Chintamani and> Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and asking any> question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the books by> Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six readers.> This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of time. Other> senior KP

astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think those are> slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers correspondence> course as well as books.>> You can contact him at>>> KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769, ANNA> SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> E-mail : kpsari. net.in>>> Best regards>> Raakesh K Sharma>>> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

wrote:>>> Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>>> Learning K P System>> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM>>>>>>>>> I would like to learn K P System .> Can I learn this on line?> Can I buy a course and learn ?> If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>> Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them

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1. In his " Ruling Planets in KP " , Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has

observed some similarity of KP RPs to Satyacharya's Satya Jataka

(Adhyaya 1, slokas 7 to 14), i.e. the determinants of any moment are

Lagna lord, Moon or lagna nakshatra lord (whichever is stronger), Moon

sign lord, Navamsa lagna lord and Lord of the rashi occupied by the

Navamsa lagna lord.

 

2. It is also said that Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti himself doesn't tell

where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers

suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,

that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling en

planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.

 

3. In Acharya Varahamihira's Brihat Jatak, the RPs concept is not

found even in Chapter 26 " Unknown Horoscopes " .

 

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Punit Pandey

>  

> Ruling planet concept from Brihat Jataka:

>  

> With reference to KP Reader III 2004 edition, under the topic ¡Birth

time rectification¢, at page 502 and 503, Mr.KSK said that the Birth

chart Ascendent signlord, starlord, sublord and subsublord are the

ruling plants at the time of query. i.e. daylord, moon signlord, moon

starlord and lagna lord. Mr.KSK stopped with subsublord and he has not

included the lagna starlord as Ruling Planet. Now we are going to

subsubsub level and included the lagna starlord also as Ruling Planet.

>  

> Mr.KSK himself said that he has taken this concept from Brihat

Jataka. Navamsa lagna at the time of query comes as lagna of birth chart.

>  

> I will convey further information about Ruling Planets in tradition

astrology in course of time. I am 100% confidence that the concept of

Ruling planets is in tradition astrology. In tradition, the daylord is

not taken. Navamsa lagnalord is taken. In this connection, I have

already sent message to this forum about five months back. I have to

search the books where I have taken.

>  

>  

> Prediction in Naadi astrology using nadiamsa:

> Each sign is divided into 150 parts and assigned separate name for

each division as nadiamsa. Dhruva nadi contains 150 unequal nadiamsa.

For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary combinations.

C.G.Rajan has tried to translate the Dhruvanadi but he did not

complete the work. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary

combinations are available in his  books part-II and part III of

¡Jataka Kanitham¢. Prediction for all nadiamsa with all planetary

combinations will run for 10000 pages.

>  

> Devakeralam (Chandrakala nadi) also assigned different names for 150

equal nadiamsa. For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary

combinations. Mr.R.Santhanam translated the Devakeralam. Sagar

publications. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary

combinations are available in his  books part-I, II and part III. I

have all the three volumes.

>  Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp <punitp wrote:

>

> punitp <punitp

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea and

> improvise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definition

> of copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis of

> astrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.

>

> Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of the

> points mentioned.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> >

> > Ruling planets:

> > Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new

concept. In

> > the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet.

Mr.KSK

> > has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read

somewhere that

> > Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will

inform you in

> > which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.

> I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT I

> HAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,

> MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OF

> RULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY

> OF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE IT

> IS MERE SPECULATION.

>

> USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULD

> APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.

>

> EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THE

> WAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATION

> FROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.

>

> >

> > He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the

technical know how

> > from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at

less price

> > than the western people.

> >

> > Application of Sublord:

> > Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in

Vimsothari

> > System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for

prediction by

> > the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional

astrologers are

> > aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before

> > Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is

superior than

> > the starlord.

> CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OF

> ALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUT

> RULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?

>

> >

> > Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara

applied this

> > concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the

planets. For

> > Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.

> CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS BY MEENA

> AND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.

>

> >

> > In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal

parts.

> > Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory,

divided

> > the stars equally.

> IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. I

> CAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL IN

> ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.

>

> >

> > Planets gives the result of the star:

> >

> > Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result

of the

> > star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the

planet moon is

> > not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another

example that

> > the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.

> AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORD

> AS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANY

> CLASSICAL BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVE

> RESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.

>

> >

> > KP Ayanamsa:

> >

> > It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The

annual

> > difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan

> > published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.

> IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASE

> TELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?

>

> >

> > What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in

> > tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.

> SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICAL

> ASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THAT

> TOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.

>

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK.

There are

> > many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp

ayanamsa,

> > planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit.

Though 'Sub

> > Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of

the sub

> > lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove

> > otherwise.

> >

> > Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a book

without

> > using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology'

seems a

> > good suggestion.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Mr.Sunil Sharma

> >

> > Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from

tradition

> > and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The

title of the

> > proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar

astrology,

> > etc.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dhanbalan ji,

> > In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission

just on the

> > basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP

Readers

> > are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At

least that

> > is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..

> > We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com, " Dhanabalan R " <r.dhanabalan@

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

> >

> >

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups..com

> > Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Raichur

> >

> > I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by

Sagar. I am

> > reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume,

in page

> > ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any

means, in

> > whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under

> > arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

> > publications, New Delhi . "

> >

> > Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six

volumes

> > by adding the articles of KP astrologers.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dear punitji and others

> > j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> > the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> > in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> >

> > Oct over 1971

> > June 1975

> >

> >

> > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©

> >

> > This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated into any

> > language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author

> >

> > Price Rs 11-00

> >

> > Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

> >

> >

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups..com

> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> > Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

> > Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied

in the 6 KP

> > Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

> > violation of copy right?

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Sunil ji,

> >

> > QUOTE

> > The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

terms in

> > the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976,

copyright

> > would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years

for a work

> > of corporate authorship.

> > UNQUOTE

> >

> > I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my

experience is not

> > very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

>

> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Raichur ji,

> > I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period.

If I am not

> > wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if

copyright

> > laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners,

amend the

> > readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a

> > workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP

> > Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@

>

> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sharma

> > The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right

Laws

> >

> > Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Swami ji,

> > Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

1992 and

> > every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being

> > disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

3rd reader

> > is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes

should be

> > re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> > I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

can I get

> > them?

> > I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence

courses which

> > is a welcome idea.

> > Regards

> > Sunil

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> >

> >

> > Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Hare Ram Krishna

> > Dear Punit ji,

> > Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

appoach best

> > one.

> > However , Students will do well if they read & digest

Astrosecrets, Writings

> > of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before

> > reading KP Readers.

> > KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> >

> > Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your

suggestions are

> > followed.

> > with regards

> >

> >

> > OM TATSAT

> > RCSrivastava

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> > http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- --

> >

> >

> > -

> > Punit Pandey

> > @gro ups.com

> > Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> > Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> > Re: Learning K P System

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading

them. There

> > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my

opinion. I am

> > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad

course

> > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

> >

> > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

Chintamani and

> > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and

asking any

> > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the

books by

> > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six

readers..

> > This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of

time. Other

> > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think

those are

> > slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

com> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

correspondence

> > course as well as books.

> >

> > You can contact him at

> >

> >

> > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,

ANNA

> > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> > E-mail : kpsari net.in

> >

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Raakesh K Sharma

> >

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

> >

> > Learning K P System

> >

> > @gro ups.com

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Dear TinWin

 

Mr.KSK himself accepted the concept of linking the birth time to the analysis time from Brihat Jataka in the KP original volume II, page 409 and it is repeated in KP Reader III. I like to reproduce the words as such in the Reader

“In Brihat Jataka, written by Varaha Mihira in Chapter26, there aree 17 stanzas to cast the horoscope of a person whose time of epoch(impregnation) and also the time of birth is not known. He gives the method to erect a horoscope from the time of query.

From this, one can understand that the time of birth and urge to work out and erect the horoscope of a native from the moment of query has a directr bearing. They are inter-linked. There can be no second opinion.

Therefore, one is to follow the following method:-

(1) note the day lord

(2) moon star

(3) moon sign

(4) lagna lord

 

These planets will be the same who govern the sign in which the Lagna is, the constellation in it, the sub and the subsub.

 

Further, Mr.N.Sethunathan, KP astrologist has published a book on the topic “Fundamentals of KP”. In support of my statement, in that book he mentioned in

page 48 “The concept of Ruling Planets is not the opinion of Mr.KSK. The concept has been taken from Varahamiharar’s Brihat Jataka”.

 

Page 53 “The navamsa lagna at the time of analysis is the birth lagna”

 

Page 55 “from this one should know that the basic concept belongs to Varahamihira”.

 

Page 92 “C.G.Nair applied the rules in Brihat Jataka”

 

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 1/26/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Learning K P System Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:09 AM

 

 

1. In his "Ruling Planets in KP", Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary hasobserved some similarity of KP RPs to Satyacharya' s Satya Jataka (Adhyaya 1, slokas 7 to 14), i.e. the determinants of any moment areLagna lord, Moon or lagna nakshatra lord (whichever is stronger), Moonsign lord, Navamsa lagna lord and Lord of the rashi occupied by theNavamsa lagna lord.2. It is also said that Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti himself doesn't tellwhere he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologerssuggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling enplanets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.3. In Acharya Varahamihira' s Brihat Jatak, the RPs concept is notfound even in Chapter 26 "Unknown Horoscopes".@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Punit Pandey> > Ruling planet concept from Brihat Jataka:> > With reference to KP Reader III 2004 edition, under the topic ¡Birthtime rectification¢ , at page 502 and 503, Mr.KSK said that the Birthchart Ascendent signlord, starlord, sublord and subsublord are theruling plants at the time of query. i.e. daylord, moon signlord, moonstarlord and lagna lord. Mr.KSK stopped with subsublord and he has notincluded the lagna starlord as Ruling Planet. Now we are going tosubsubsub level and included the lagna starlord also as Ruling Planet.> > Mr.KSK himself said that he has taken this concept from BrihatJataka. Navamsa lagna at the time of query comes as lagna of birth chart.> > I will convey further information about Ruling Planets in

traditionastrology in course of time. I am 100% confidence that the concept ofRuling planets is in tradition astrology. In tradition, the daylord isnot taken. Navamsa lagnalord is taken. In this connection, I havealready sent message to this forum about five months back. I have tosearch the books where I have taken.> > > Prediction in Naadi astrology using nadiamsa:> Each sign is divided into 150 parts and assigned separate name foreach division as nadiamsa. Dhruva nadi contains 150 unequal nadiamsa.For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary combinations.C.G.Rajan has tried to translate the Dhruvanadi but he did notcomplete the work. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetarycombinations are available in his books part-II and part III of¡Jataka Kanitham¢. Prediction for all nadiamsa with all planetarycombinations will run for 10000

pages.> > Devakeralam (Chandrakala nadi) also assigned different names for 150equal nadiamsa. For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetarycombinations. Mr.R.Santhanam translated the Devakeralam. Sagarpublications. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetarycombinations are available in his books part-I, II and part III. Ihave all the three volumes. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp <punitp wrote:> > punitp <punitp> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea and>

improvise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definition> of copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis of> astrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.> > Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of the> points mentioned.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > On 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dear Punit Pandey> >> > Ruling planets:> > Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a newconcept. In> > the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet.Mr.KSK> > has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have readsomewhere that> > Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I willinform you in> > which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet

Concept.> I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT I> HAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,> MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OF> RULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY> OF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE IT> IS MERE SPECULATION.> > USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULD> APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.> > EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THE> WAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATION> FROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.> > >> > He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy thetechnical know how> > from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market atless price>

> than the western people.> >> > Application of Sublord:> > Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa inVimsothari> > System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord forprediction by> > the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditionalastrologers are> > aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even before> > Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord issuperior than> > the starlord.> CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OF> ALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUT> RULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?> > >> > Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasaraapplied this> > concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all theplanets.

For> > Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.> CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS BY MEENA> AND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.> > >> > In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequalparts.> > Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory,divided> > the stars equally.> IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. I> CAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL IN> ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.> > >> > Planets gives the result of the star:> >> > Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the resultof the> > star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, theplanet moon is> > not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is anotherexample that> >

the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.> AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORD> AS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANY> CLASSICAL BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVE> RESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.> > >> > KP Ayanamsa:> >> > It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. Theannual> > difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same. C.G.Rajan> > published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.> IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASE> TELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?> > >> > What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in> > tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.> SRI KSK HAS NEVER

SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICAL> ASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THAT> TOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.> > >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >> > Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK.There are> > many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kpayanamsa,> > planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit.Though 'Sub> > Lord' was already

there in classical astrology, but application ofthe sub> > lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can prove> > otherwise.> >> > Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a bookwithout> > using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology'seems a> > good suggestion.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan >> > wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mr.Sunil Sharma> >> > Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything fromtradition> > and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade

mark of KP. Thetitle of the> > proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellarastrology,> > etc.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> >> > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:> >> >> > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ ..com>> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanbalan ji,> > In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permissionjust on the> > basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KPReaders> > are written after the original books from Sagar publications

(Atleast that> > is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..> > We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or give up.> > Regards> > Sunil> >> > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:> >> >> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com, "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan >> >> >> >> > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?> >> >> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> >> > --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups..com> > Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Raichur> >> > I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published bySagar. I am> > reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume,in page> > ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by anymeans, in> > whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published under> > arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar> > publications, New Delhi ."> >> > Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in sixvolumes> >

by adding the articles of KP astrologers.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:> >> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com> > Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > dear punitji and others> > j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> > the 1st one The page of printin details is missig> > in Book2 Page 2 the details are> >> > Oct over 1971> > June 1975> >> >> > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©> >> > This book shoud not be

reproduced by any means or translated into any> > language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author> >> > Price Rs 11-00> >> > Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17> >> >> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> >> > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups..com> > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Punit Pandey> > Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar> > Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copiedin the 6 KP> > Readers

published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not> > violation of copy right?> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM> >> >> >> >> > Sunil ji,> >> > QUOTE> > The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyrightterms in> > the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976,copyright> > would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 yearsfor a work> > of corporate authorship.> > UNQUOTE> >> > I have first hand experience talking to KP

people and myexperience is not> > very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21 >> > wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Raichur ji,> > I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period.If I am not> > wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even ifcopyright> > laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners,amend the> > readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am sure a> > workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit that KP> >

Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.> > Regards> > Sunil> >> > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:> >> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> >> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21 >> > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sharma> > The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy RightLaws> >> > Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> >> > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> wrote:> >> >> > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> > Re: Learning K P System> >> > @gro ups..com> >> > Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Swami ji,> > Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since1992 and> > every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being> > disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in3rd reader> > is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumesshould be> > re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> > I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but wherecan I get> > them?> > I also read a suggestion just now

to enrol in correspondencecourses which> > is a welcome idea..> > Regards> > Sunil> >> >> >> >> >> >> > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> > @gro ups.com> >> >> >> > Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> > Re: Learning K P System> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > Hare Ram Krishna> > Dear Punit ji,> > Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find thisappoach best> > one.> > However , Students will do well if they read & digestAstrosecrets, Writings> > of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo) before> > reading KP

Readers.> > KP readers is a must But not for Starters.> >> > Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if yoursuggestions are> > followed.> > with regards> >> >> > OM TATSAT> > RCSrivastava> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> > http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Beingwho has> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --> >> >> > -> > Punit Pandey> > @gro

ups.com> > Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> > Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> > Re: Learning K P System> >> >> >> >> > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and readingthem. There> > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in myopinion. I am> > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharadcourse> > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> >> > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read NakshatraChintamani and> > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt andasking any> > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both thebooks by> > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even sixreaders..> > This is my personal

approach which has changed over a period oftime. Other> > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I thinkthose are> > slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl > wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offerscorrespondence> > course as well as books.> >> > You can contact him at> >> >> > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,ANNA> > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > E-mail : kpsari net.in> >>

>> > Best regards> >> > Raakesh K Sharma> >> >> > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:> >> >> > Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>> >> > Learning K P System> >> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I would like to learn K P System .> > Can I learn this on line?> > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.> >>

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Dear Dhanabalan,

 

Have you read yourself Brihat Jatak Chapter 26 " Unknown Horoscopes "

and found anything particular similar to the KP RPs like in Satya Jataka?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear TinWin

>  

> Mr.KSK himself accepted the concept of linking the birth time to the

analysis time from Brihat Jataka in the KP original volume II, page

409 and it is repeated in KP Reader III. I like to reproduce the words

as such in the Reader

> " In Brihat Jataka, written by Varaha Mihira in Chapter26, there aree

17 stanzas to cast the horoscope of a person whose time of

epoch(impregnation) and also the time of birth is not known. He gives

the method to erect a horoscope from the time of query.

> From this, one can understand that the time of birth and urge to

work out and erect the horoscope of a native from the moment of query

has a directr bearing. They are inter-linked. There can be no second

opinion.

> Therefore, one is to follow the following method:-

> (1) note the day lord

> (2) moon star

> (3) moon sign

> (4) lagna lord

>  

> These planets will be the same who govern the sign in which the

Lagna is, the constellation in it, the sub and the subsub.

>  

> Further, Mr.N.Sethunathan, KP astrologist has published a book on

the topic " Fundamentals of KP " . In support of my statement, in that

book he mentioned in

> page  48 " The concept of Ruling Planets is not the opinion of

Mr.KSK. The concept has been taken from Varahamiharar's Brihat Jataka " .

>  

> Page 53 " The navamsa lagna at the time of analysis is the birth lagna "

>  

> Page 55 " from this one should know that the basic  concept belongs

to Varahamihira " .

>  

> Page 92 " C.G.Nair applied the rules in Brihat Jataka "

>  

>  Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re: Learning K P System

>

> Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:09 AM

1. In his " Ruling Planets in KP " , Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has

> observed some similarity of KP RPs to Satyacharya' s Satya Jataka

> (Adhyaya 1, slokas 7 to 14), i.e. the determinants of any moment are

> Lagna lord, Moon or lagna nakshatra lord (whichever is stronger), Moon

> sign lord, Navamsa lagna lord and Lord of the rashi occupied by the

> Navamsa lagna lord.

>

> 2. It is also said that Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti himself doesn't tell

> where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers

> suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,

> that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling en

> planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.

>

> 3. In Acharya Varahamihira' s Brihat Jatak, the RPs concept is not

> found even in Chapter 26 " Unknown Horoscopes " .

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> >  

> > Ruling planet concept from Brihat Jataka:

> >  

> > With reference to KP Reader III 2004 edition, under the topic ¡Birth

> time rectification¢ , at page 502 and 503, Mr.KSK said that the Birth

> chart Ascendent signlord, starlord, sublord and subsublord are the

> ruling plants at the time of query. i.e. daylord, moon signlord, moon

> starlord and lagna lord. Mr.KSK stopped with subsublord and he has not

> included the lagna starlord as Ruling Planet. Now we are going to

> subsubsub level and included the lagna starlord also as Ruling Planet.

> >  

> > Mr.KSK himself said that he has taken this concept from Brihat

> Jataka. Navamsa lagna at the time of query comes as lagna of birth

chart.

> >  

> > I will convey further information about Ruling Planets in tradition

> astrology in course of time. I am 100% confidence that the concept of

> Ruling planets is in tradition astrology. In tradition, the daylord is

> not taken. Navamsa lagnalord is taken. In this connection, I have

> already sent message to this forum about five months back. I have to

> search the books where I have taken.

> >  

> >  

> > Prediction in Naadi astrology using nadiamsa:

> > Each sign is divided into 150 parts and assigned separate name for

> each division as nadiamsa. Dhruva nadi contains 150 unequal nadiamsa.

> For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary combinations.

> C.G.Rajan has tried to translate the Dhruvanadi but he did not

> complete the work. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary

> combinations are available in his  books part-II and part III of

> ¡Jataka Kanitham¢. Prediction for all nadiamsa with all planetary

> combinations will run for 10000 pages.

> >  

> > Devakeralam (Chandrakala nadi) also assigned different names for 150

> equal nadiamsa. For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary

> combinations. Mr.R.Santhanam translated the Devakeralam. Sagar

> publications. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary

> combinations are available in his  books part-I, II and part III. I

> have all the three volumes.

> >  Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp@ <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > punitp@ <punitp@>

> > Re: Learning K P System

> > @gro ups.com

> > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea and

> > improvise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definition

> > of copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis of

> > astrology are same - sign, star, planet, house etc.

> >

> > Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of the

> > points mentioned.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > > Dear Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > Ruling planets:

> > > Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new

> concept. In

> > > the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet.

> Mr.KSK

> > > has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read

> somewhere that

> > > Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will

> inform you in

> > > which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept.

> > I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY CLASSICAL TEXT I

> > HAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,

> > MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OF

> > RULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY

> > OF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE IT

> > IS MERE SPECULATION.

> >

> > USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULD

> > APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.

> >

> > EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THE

> > WAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATION

> > FROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.

> >

> > >

> > > He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the

> technical know how

> > > from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at

> less price

> > > than the western people.

> > >

> > > Application of Sublord:

> > > Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in

> Vimsothari

> > > System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for

> prediction by

> > > the Tradition astrologers even before Mr.KSK. Traditional

> astrologers are

> > > aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Even

before

> > > Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is

> superior than

> > > the starlord.

> > CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OF

> > ALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUT

> > RULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?

> >

> > >

> > > Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal subs. Parasara

> applied this

> > > concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the

> planets. For

> > > Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.

> > CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS BY MEENA

> > AND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.

> >

> > >

> > > In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal

> parts.

> > > Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory,

> divided

> > > the stars equally.

> > IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. I

> > CAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL IN

> > ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.

> >

> > >

> > > Planets gives the result of the star:

> > >

> > > Traditional astrologers are aware that the planets give the result

> of the

> > > star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the

> planet moon is

> > > not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another

> example that

> > > the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.

> > AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORD

> > AS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANY

> > CLASSICAL BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVE

> > RESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.

> >

> > >

> > > KP Ayanamsa:

> > >

> > > It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The

> annual

> > > difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same.

C.G.Rajan

> > > published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.

> > IT MAY BE TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASE

> > TELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?

> >

> > >

> > > What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in

> > > tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.

> > SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICAL

> > ASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THAT

> > TOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.

> >

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK.

> There are

> > > many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp

> ayanamsa,

> > > planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit.

> Though 'Sub

> > > Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of

> the sub

> > > lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody can

prove

> > > otherwise.

> > >

> > > Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a book

> without

> > > using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology'

> seems a

> > > good suggestion.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

> >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Mr.Sunil Sharma

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from

> tradition

> > > and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The

> title of the

> > > proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar

> astrology,

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanbalan ji,

> > > In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission

> just on the

> > > basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP

> Readers

> > > are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At

> least that

> > > is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..

> > > We must have conclusive evidence before we proceed further or

give up.

> > > Regards

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups.com, " Dhanabalan R " <r.dhanabalan@

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?

> > >

> > >

> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups..com

> > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Raichur

> > >

> > > I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by

> Sagar. I am

> > > reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume,

> in page

> > > ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any

> means, in

> > > whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Published

under

> > > arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar

> > > publications, New Delhi . "

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six

> volumes

> > > by adding the articles of KP astrologers.

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> > >

> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear punitji and others

> > > j have a copy of kpsk orinial books

> > > the 1st one The page of printin details is missig

> > > in Book2 Page 2 the details are

> > >

> > > Oct over 1971

> > > June 1975

> > >

> > >

> > > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©

> > >

> > > This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translated

into any

> > > language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author

> > >

> > > Price Rs 11-00

> > >

> > > Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17

> > >

> > >

> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups..com

> > > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit Pandey

> > > Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar

> > > Publications by Mr.KSK. The content of those volumes were copied

> in the 6 KP

> > > Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not

> > > violation of copy right?

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 11:44 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > QUOTE

> > > The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright

> terms in

> > > the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976,

> copyright

> > > would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years

> for a work

> > > of corporate authorship.

> > > UNQUOTE

> > >

> > > I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my

> experience is not

> > > very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@

> >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Raichur ji,

> > > I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period.

> If I am not

> > > wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if

> copyright

> > > laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners,

> amend the

> > > readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I am

sure a

> > > workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefit

that KP

> > > Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.

> > > Regards

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> > >

> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >

> > >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > > @gro ups.com, " Sunil Sharma " <sunilsharma21@

> >

> > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sharma

> > > The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right

> Laws

> > >

> > > Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting

> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Swami ji,

> > > Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since

> 1992 and

> > > every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being

> > > disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in

> 3rd reader

> > > is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes

> should be

> > > re-written to be readily understood by beginners.

> > > I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but where

> can I get

> > > them?

> > > I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence

> courses which

> > > is a welcome idea.

> > > Regards

> > > Sunil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > Hare Ram Krishna

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find this

> appoach best

> > > one.

> > > However , Students will do well if they read & digest

> Astrosecrets, Writings

> > > of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo)

before

> > > reading KP Readers.

> > > KP readers is a must But not for Starters.

> > >

> > > Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your

> suggestions are

> > > followed.

> > > with regards

> > >

> > >

> > > OM TATSAT

> > > RCSrivastava

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > > Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> > > http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

> who has

> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

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> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > Punit Pandey

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com

> > > Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM

> > > Re: Learning K P System

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading

> them. There

> > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my

> opinion. I am

> > > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad

> course

> > > from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.

> > >

> > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra

> Chintamani and

> > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and

> asking any

> > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the

> books by

> > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six

> readers..

> > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of

> time. Other

> > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think

> those are

> > > slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT)

> com> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers

> correspondence

> > > course as well as books.

> > >

> > > You can contact him at

> > >

> > >

> > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,

> ANNA

> > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.

> > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in

> > >

> > >

> > > Best regards

> > >

> > > Raakesh K Sharma

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>

> > >

> > > Learning K P System

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I would like to learn K P System .

> > > Can I learn this on line?

> > > Can I buy a course and learn ?

> > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks

> > >

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Dear TinWin

I have gone through the chapter 26 in Brihat Jataka. Mr.KSK has taken the concept of linking the birth time to the time of analysis from Brihat Jataka. I am not sure whether he has arrived the Ruling Planets as such in KP from Brihat Jataka. I will inform you where Mr.KSK has taken the Ruling planets as such in KP. I am searching the book where I have read. C.G.Nair has used Brihat Jataka for birth time rectification in KP. One traditional astrologer in Coimbatore used to give correct prediction using Brihat Jataka method, for those who have no horoscope.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 1/27/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Learning K P System Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:47 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan,Have you read yourself Brihat Jatak Chapter 26 "Unknown Horoscopes" and found anything particular similar to the KP RPs like in Satya Jataka?Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear TinWin> > Mr.KSK himself accepted the concept of linking the birth time to theanalysis time from Brihat Jataka in the KP original volume II, page409 and it is repeated in KP Reader III. I like to reproduce the wordsas such in the Reader> "In Brihat Jataka, written by Varaha Mihira in Chapter26, there aree17 stanzas to cast the horoscope of a person whose time ofepoch(impregnation) and also the time of birth is not known. He givesthe method to erect a horoscope from the time of query.> From this, one can

understand that the time of birth and urge towork out and erect the horoscope of a native from the moment of queryhas a directr bearing. They are inter-linked. There can be no secondopinion.> Therefore, one is to follow the following method:-> (1) note the day lord> (2) moon star> (3) moon sign> (4) lagna lord> > These planets will be the same who govern the sign in which theLagna is, the constellation in it, the sub and the subsub.> > Further, Mr.N.Sethunathan, KP astrologist has published a book onthe topic "Fundamentals of KP". In support of my statement, in thatbook he mentioned in > page 48 "The concept of Ruling Planets is not the opinion ofMr.KSK. The concept has been taken from Varahamiharar' s Brihat Jataka".> > Page 53 "The navamsa lagna at the time of analysis is the birth lagna"> > Page

55 "from this one should know that the basic concept belongsto Varahamihira" . > > Page 92 "C.G.Nair applied the rules in Brihat Jataka"> > Dhanabalan> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853> Re: Learning K P System> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 26, 2009, 1:09 AM> > > > > > > 1. In his "Ruling Planets in KP", Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has> observed some similarity of KP RPs to Satyacharya' s Satya Jataka > (Adhyaya 1, slokas 7 to 14), i.e. the determinants of any moment are> Lagna lord, Moon or lagna nakshatra lord (whichever is stronger), Moon> sign lord, Navamsa lagna lord and Lord of the rashi

occupied by the> Navamsa lagna lord.> > 2. It is also said that Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti himself doesn't tell> where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers> suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,> that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling en> planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > 3. In Acharya Varahamihira' s Brihat Jatak, the RPs concept is not> found even in Chapter 26 "Unknown Horoscopes".> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Punit Pandey> > > > Ruling planet concept from Brihat Jataka:> > > > With reference to KP Reader III 2004 edition, under the topic ¡Birth> time rectification¢ , at page 502 and 503, Mr.KSK said that

the Birth> chart Ascendent signlord, starlord, sublord and subsublord are the> ruling plants at the time of query. i.e. daylord, moon signlord, moon> starlord and lagna lord. Mr.KSK stopped with subsublord and he has not> included the lagna starlord as Ruling Planet. Now we are going to> subsubsub level and included the lagna starlord also as Ruling Planet.> > > > Mr.KSK himself said that he has taken this concept from Brihat> Jataka. Navamsa lagna at the time of query comes as lagna of birthchart.> > > > I will convey further information about Ruling Planets in tradition> astrology in course of time. I am 100% confidence that the concept of> Ruling planets is in tradition astrology. In tradition, the daylord is> not taken. Navamsa lagnalord is taken. In this connection, I have> already sent message to this forum about five

months back. I have to> search the books where I have taken.> > > > > > Prediction in Naadi astrology using nadiamsa:> > Each sign is divided into 150 parts and assigned separate name for> each division as nadiamsa. Dhruva nadi contains 150 unequal nadiamsa.> For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary combinations.> C.G.Rajan has tried to translate the Dhruvanadi but he did not> complete the work. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary> combinations are available in his books part-II and part III of> ¡Jataka Kanitham¢. Prediction for all nadiamsa with all planetary> combinations will run for 10000 pages..> > > > Devakeralam (Chandrakala nadi) also assigned different names for 150> equal nadiamsa. For each nadiamsa, there are hundreds of planetary> combinations. Mr.R.Santhanam

translated the Devakeralam. Sagar> publications. Prediction for some nadiamsa with certain planetary> combinations are available in his books part-I, II and part III. I> have all the three volumes. > > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, punitp@ <punitp@> wrote:> > > > punitp@ <punitp@>> > Re: Learning K P System> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 8:47 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > I disagree with most of your sayings. If somebody uses some idea and> > improvise it, it can not be called copied. If we take your definition> > of copy, everything can be called 'copied' because the basis of> > astrology are same - sign,

star, planet, house etc.> > > > Please see my response below in BLOCK letter below on some of the> > points mentioned.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > On 1/24/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > > Dear Punit Pandey> > >> > > Ruling planets:> > > Ruling planets concept is copied from tradition. It is not a new> concept. In> > > the tradition, the navamsa lagna is included in the Ruling Planet.> Mr.KSK> > > has replaced the navamsa lagna with day lord. I have read> somewhere that> > > Mr.KSK himself gave the reference, where he has taken. I will> inform you in> > > which tradition book, he has taken the Ruling Planet Concept..> > I DON'T UNDERSTAND REASON BEHIND WRITING IT. IN ANY

CLASSICAL TEXT I> > HAVE NOT FOUND ASCENDANT NAKSHATRA, ASCENDANT SIGN, MOON NAKSHATRA,> > MOON SIGN AND DAY LORD AS RULING PLANETS. I DON'T FIND APPLICATION OF> > RULING PLANETS IN ANY OF THE CLASSICAL TEXTS. IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY> > OF THOSE TEXT, YOU ARE REQUESTED TO QUOTE THE REFERENCE OTHERWISE IT> > IS MERE SPECULATION.> > > > USE MENTIONED USE OF NAVAMASA LAGNA AS THE RULING PLANET. WOULD> > APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN QUOTE A REFERENCE.> > > > EVEN NAVAMASA LAGNA WAS USED AS A RULING PLANET, CAN IT BE USED THE> > WAY IT IS USED IN KP? IN MY OPINION, IT WAS DEFINITE IMPROVISATION> > FROM CLASSICAL THAN 'COPYING'.> > > > >> > > He has followed the Japanese style. Japan people copy the> technical know how> > > from the west, make some improvement and sold in the market at>

less price> > > than the western people.> > >> > > Application of Sublord:> > > Sublord is nothing but bukthi in tradition. Starlord is Dasa in> Vimsothari> > > System. Application of starlord, sublord and sub sublord for> prediction by> > > the Tradition astrologers even before Mr..KSK. Traditional> astrologers are> > > aware that for same dasa, the result differs with bukthi. Evenbefore> > > Mr.KSK, Traditional astrologers are aware that the sublord is> superior than> > > the starlord.> > CAN YOU QUOTE ANY PLACE PARASHARA OR ANYBODY ELSE WHERE SUB LORD OF> > ALL PLANETS ARE USED FOR PREDICTIONS? HAVE YOU SEE CLEARLY LAID OUT> > RULES FOR SUB JUDGEMENT IN ANY OTHER TEXT THAN KP?> > > > >> > > Parasara has divided each star into 9 unequal

subs. Parasara> applied this> > > concept to the moon only. Mr.Meena Rao has applied for all the> planets. For> > > Horary purpose, Mr.KSK added six more subs.> > CAN YOU QUOTE THE REFERENCE? I HAVE 'NADI ASTROLOGY' BOOKS BY MEENA> > AND DIDN'T FIND APPLICATION OF SUB.> > > > >> > > In Naadi astrology, the sign is divided into 300 equal and unequal> parts.> > > Parasara Divisional charts are another example for sublord theory,> divided> > > the stars equally.> > IT IS NOT THE DIVISION BUT THE APPLICATION OF DIVISION IS IMPORTANT. I> > CAN ALSO CREATE A NEW DIVISION, BUT IT SHOULD BE USEFUL IN> > ASTROLOGICAL PREDICTIONS.> > > > >> > > Planets gives the result of the star:> > >> > > Traditional astrologers are aware that the

planets give the result> of the> > > star. Vimsothari dasa is based on star theory. For dasa, the> planet moon is> > > not taken, only the star of Moon is taken. Navamsa is another> example that> > > the traditional astrologers are giving importance to stars and subs.> > AGREED. BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT MOON WILL GIVE THE RESULT OF DASA LORD> > AS PER CLASSICAL ASTROLOGY? IN MY OPINION, NOT. I DON'T KNOW ANY> > CLASSICAL BOOK THAT LAID OUT THIS PRINCIPLE THAT A PLANET WILL GIVE> > RESULT OF ITS NAKSHATRA LORD.> > > > >> > > KP Ayanamsa:> > >> > > It is copied from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa and made slight change. The> annual> > > difference for KP ayanamsa and C.G.Rajan ayanamsa are same.C.G.Rajan> > > published his ayanamsa before Mr.KSK.> > IT MAY BE

TRUE AS I AM NOT AWARE OF C.G.RAJAN TABLES. CAN YOU PLEASE> > TELL WHERE CAN I FIND C.G. RAJAN AYANAMSA TABLES. WHICH BOOK?> > > > >> > > What I want to tell is the concepts followed in KP are already in> > > tradition.. Mr.KSK has tried to improve those concepts in KP.> > SRI KSK HAS NEVER SAID THAT HE HAS NOT USED COPEPTS OF CLASSICAL> > ASTROLOGY. AS YOU SAID, THERE IS IMPROVISATION AND IMPROVISION THAT> > TOO OF THIS LEVEL, CAN NOT BE CALLED 'COPY'.> > > > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > >> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 2:07

PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > >> > > Words like 'copied' seems too harsh for somebody like Sri KSK.> There are> > > many concepts like ruling planets, application of sub lord, kp> ayanamsa,> > > planet gives result of the star etc. which goes to his credit.> Though 'Sub> > > Lord' was already there in classical astrology, but application of> the sub> > > lord is discovered by Sri KSK and I don't think that anybody canprove> > > otherwise.> > >> > > Having said that, nobody can stop anybody if s/he writes a book> without> > > using KP, they way Shri Bhatt and others did. 'Stellar Astrology'> seems a> > > good suggestion.> > >>

> > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> >> > > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Mr.Sunil Sharma> > >> > > Mr.KSK has not invented anything. He just copied everything from> tradition> > > and western astrology. Sublord is not the trade mark of KP. The> title of the> > > proposed book should be other than KP. We can name it as Stellar> astrology,> > > etc.> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > >> > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09,

Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:41 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanbalan ji,> > > In my opinion to infer that Prof. KSK did not obtain permission> just on the> > > basis of Preface of the book is inconclusive. Especially, since KP> Readers> > > are written after the original books from Sagar publications (At> least that> > > is my understanding, correct me if I am wrong)..> > > We must have conclusive

evidence before we proceed further orgive up.> > > Regards> > > Sunil> > >> > > --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com, "Dhanabalan R" <r.dhanabalan@> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sunday, January 18, 2009, 8:35 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > so be it. We cannot do anything about it can WE?> > >> > >> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > >> > > --- On Sat, 17/1/09, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups..com> > > Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 8:37 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Raichur> > >> > > I have the KSK's original volumes of 1965 edition, published by> Sagar. I am> > > reproducing the copy right of the publisher. In the first volume,> in page> > > ii, " ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. This book may not be reproduced by any> means, in> > > whole or part without the permission of the publisher. Publishedunder> > > arrangement with the author.. Published by M.K.Sagar, for Sagar> >

> publications, New Delhi ."> > >> > > Mr.KSK has violated the copy right by reproducing the books in six> volumes> > > by adding the articles of KP astrologers.> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:> > >> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 11:41 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > dear punitji and others> > > j have a copy of kpsk orinial books> > > the 1st

one The page of printin details is missig> > > in Book2 Page 2 the details are> > >> > > Oct over 1971> > > June 1975> > >> > >> > > ALL RIGHTS RESERVED BY AUTHOUR ©> > >> > > This book shoud not be reproduced by any means or translatedinto any> > > language in whole or paet withot the written permissin of the author> > >> > > Price Rs 11-00> > >> > > Ramesh Printing Press T. Nagar Madras-17> > >> > >> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > >> > > --- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > To:

@gro ups..com> > > Friday, 16 January, 2009, 11:23 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Punit Pandey> > > Copy right of KSK's original KP volumes I & II were sold to Sagar> > > Publications by Mr..KSK. The content of those volumes were copied> in the 6 KP> > > Readers published by KSK group from the year 1972 onwards. Is it not> > > violation of copy right?> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > >> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009,

11:44 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sunil ji,> > >> > > QUOTE> > > The Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA) of 1998 extended copyright> terms in> > > the United States by 20 years. Since the Copyright Act of 1976,> copyright> > > would last for the life of the author plus 50 years, or 75 years> for a work> > > of corporate authorship.> > > UNQUOTE> > >> > > I have first hand experience talking to KP people and my> experience is not> > > very good. I am not optimistic about copyright talks with them.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Sunil Sharma

<sunilsharma21@> >> > > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Raichur ji,> > > I know for a fact that patent rights expire after a time period.> If I am not> > > wrong it is 10 years. I am not a legal professional and even if> copyright> > > laws are eternal, we can obtain permission from copyright owners,> amend the> > > readers and let the profit accrue to the coyright owners. I amsure a> > > workable agreement can be reached. Imagine the immense benefitthat KP> > > Theory and students would derive from such a possibility.> > > Regards> > > Sunil> > >> > > --- On Tue, 1/13/09, Raichur-a-r

<raichurar > wrote:> > >> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar >> > >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > > @gro ups.com, "Sunil Sharma" <sunilsharma21@> ..com>> > > Tuesday, January 13, 2009, 7:25 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sharma> > > The rediting or publishing KP,s book are not allowed by Copy Right> Laws> > >> > > Regarding getting books on KP please see todays posting> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > >> > > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ > wrote:> >

>> > >> > > Sunil Sharma <sunilsharma21@ >> > > Re: Learning K P System> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Monday, 12 January, 2009, 10:51 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Swami ji,> > > Precisely the point I made few months ago. I have KP Readers since> 1992 and> > > every time I sit down with it I just cannot continue. Without being> > > disrespectful to anyone, I have to say that the language used in> 3rd reader> > > is beyond my comprehension at least. In my opinion those volumes> should be> > > re-written to be readily understood by beginners.> > > I too tend to agree with reading the books you suggested but

where> can I get> > > them?> > > I also read a suggestion just now to enrol in correspondence> courses which> > > is a welcome idea.> > > Regards> > > Sunil> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com>> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > >> > >> > > Monday, January 12, 2009 5:15:06 PM> > > Re: Learning K P System> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > || Om Gurave Namah ||> > > Hare Ram Krishna> > > Dear Punit ji,> > > Your this opinion is excellentand I gree .I have also find

this> appoach best> > > one.> > > However , Students will do well if they read & digest> Astrosecrets, Writings> > > of K subramanium ( Sub lord speaks)and V ramamurti( Punarphoo)before> > > reading KP Readers.> > > KP readers is a must But not for Starters.> > >> > > Application of KP rules is likly to be accurate if your> suggestions are> > > followed.> > > with regards> > >> > >> > > OM TATSAT> > > RCSrivastava> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> > > http:\\www.cosmogra ce.com http:\\www.kaalvast u......com> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> > > " Let us meditate on the

glorious effulgence of that Divine Being> who has> > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> --------- --> > >> > >> > > -> > > Punit Pandey> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: gajender.singh@ sky.com> > > Monday, January 12, 2009 9:23 PM> > > Re: Learning K P System> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Correspondence course is as good as buying KP books and reading> them. There> > > is no other benefit of the said correspondence course in my> opinion. I am> > > saying that because I myself have participated in Jyotish Visharad> course> > >

from KPSARI and I would not recommend it to anybody.> > >> > > In my opinion, the best way to learn KP is to read Nakshatra> Chintamani and> > > Further Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by Chandrakant Bhatt and> asking any> > > question in this forum. Once you have thoroughly studied both the> books by> > > Chandrakant Bhatt, then only I would suggest you to read even six> readers..> > > This is my personal approach which has changed over a period of> time. Other> > > senior KP astrologers may recommend KP 6 readers, but I think> those are> > > slightly confusing and little too detailed for the beginner.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:03 PM,

Raakesh Sharma <divsintl (AT) (DOT) > com> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dr Hariharan , son of our reverend Guruji Late KSK offers> correspondence> > > course as well as books.> > >> > > You can contact him at> > >> > >> > > KRISHNAMURTI PUBLICATIONS, F21-A, FIRST FLOOR, SPENCER PLAZA, 769,> ANNA> > > SALAI, CHENNAI-600 002.> > > E-mail : kpsari@ net.in> > >> > >> > > Best regards> > >> > > Raakesh K Sharma> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com> wrote:> > >> > >> > >

Gajender Singh <gajender.singh@ sky.com>> > >> > > Learning K P System> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Monday, January 12, 2009, 3:15 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > I would like to learn K P System .> > > Can I learn this on line?> > > Can I buy a course and learn ?> > > If so from where ? Please let me know.Thanks> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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