Fortuna and its effects

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Namaste L.Y.Rao ji,

 

Again, please understand that my questions may be basic, but I am only new to KP and thus attempting to learn from start. As per your statement below "..and are also untenanted..", if my understanding is correct, than in the 3rd reader, the author is actually suggesting that the "occupants" of significator houses are stronger to deliver results, so he is suggesting tenantship as a stronger indicator..

 

I quote from reader 3rd, 9th edition, page 181 "(a) planets posited in the constellation of the occupants in the houses 2,6,11 are the strongest to give wealth to a person. These planets may be debilitated or may be in enemy's house. Still one's status will improve in their periods and sub-periods, if they are in the sub of the significators or 2 or 6 or 11."

 

perhaps, (as always) I am missing something here in understanding?

 

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/23/2007 9:56:12 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 writes:

 

 

Dear Garav and Shri Raichurji,

As per K.P., and my limited experience,the planets among the RPs,and significators arrived at, those that are posited in the subs of the significators of the houses being considered for analysis, and are also untenanted, are the strongest,to deliver results...

I invite comments of all KP astrologers...

With regards,

L.Y.Rao.

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2007 4:00:06 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects

 

 

dear gaurav,

i also follow the same theory mentioned by KSK

my guruji (late hasbe)told us to take star of ascendant if only 2or 3 ruling planets are

available and in that case give importance to asc.star

also i follow that if rahu/ketu are directly in RP then only i select Rahu/ketu

i dont select rahu/ketu as agents

this is my experience . the members should try this also

-sunil gondhalekarRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Shree Gaurav

Please study and understand the discussion by Shree KSK in Reader 3 page 494 under heading RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME ".sEE ALSO PAGE 503 where Guruji gives the Ruling Planets method, .Here he takes only 4 RPS. DayLord,Moon starlord, Moon Sign Lord, And asc sign Lord.

These he says will be same as Sign Lord, StarLord, and Sub Lord, and Subsublord of the Lagna(the ascendent of the chart)

 

 

yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

Namaste Raichur ji,

 

thank you for your mail, I have very very high respect for mr.Rao, just that I could not tally this method of checking correct birthtime, can you suggest other methods per KP about this...

 

 

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:06:37 A.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes:

 

Sorry to butt in.

The rule quoted by the learned L.Y.Rao, is not,I repeat, stated by Late KSK, but has been formulated, later by his learned followers. I have not found that it works in 100 percent cases.

Kanak examined 100 charts, where the TOB was authentic, and I checked some for this rule also. The authetic Birth times, more often than not, didi not satisfy this rule.

 

Good Luck

yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Sri.L.Y.Rao ji,

 

In my case, the sub-lord and sub-sub-lord for my lagna is mer-rahu and the star-lord and sub-lord of my moon is moon-rahu. So per your statement it is incorrect. However, I then tried to look into the chart of my daughter who was born in the hospital room last year with me standing with a stop watch to time her birth-time, and even that does not tally..so I am not sure what to make of it.

 

I do concede that a famous astrologer did suggest me having varogottama navamsa lagna as oppose to Taurus, but I brushed it away since that makes my chart too powerful to live a rather ordinary life.

 

In any event, the star lord of 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 11th houses are mer, jup, mer, venus respectively with the current time of birth. Out of these, mer and jup are tenants in the 2nd house, and mer is the star lord of jupiter, posited with exalted jupiter in 2nd. Venus is in the star of mars who is the lord of 6th and 11th in 12th.

 

I leave herein for your further insight, and you are the magican and I am merely an observer eager to learn the tricks.

 

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:28:58 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes:

 

 

Dear Gaurav,

Sorry for butting-in.. .Firstly, does the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of your Ascendant appear as the Moon's st-lord and sub-lord respectively ? Only then is your Birth Time correct , as per K.P.

Are you destined to make money in the share markets at all ? This needs to be examined first...

Also, what is the relationshipsconnec tions of the s/lords of the IInd,Vth,VIth & XIth cusps ?

They should signify the IInd or the XIth or the VIth.

Kindly inform...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

"yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com" <yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 April, 2007 3:33:45 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects

 

 

 

Namaste Ramachandran ji,

 

 

I have strong lagna lord in 2nd house with jupiter exalted, who is also in LL nakshatra and sub, yet I have lost many many lacs of rupees ( in dollars) last 3-4 weeks in stock market..why? what is the logic here..

 

Gaurav

3rd July 1979

6.18am

jaipur, rajasthan

 

In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:35:58 A.M. India Standard Time, padma.ramachandran@ gmail.com writes:

Dear Bhaskar,There is a simple logic to all those who want to check their luck; either through fortuna or through Gems or through stock market.The Lagna Lord must be strong and signify those houses which will act to give you wealth. If the Lagna Lord is weak with connection to 8 or 12, no amount of gimmicks will produce any wealth. This is a clear KP principle.Let us not deviate our attention with fortuna and gems. For those who have weak lagna lord, even the horary will not show any gain from stock market. I personally think that your Clients who are making money in the market must be having strong lagna lord.and also there must be a sure sign of involvement of 5th with the 11th. As a test, you predict for a chart with weak lagna lord a gain in the market and test out the results.V.Ramachandran.

On 15 Apr 2007 22:53:40 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Sir,//It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate??? //Nobody in the world is fortunate in all departments, neither is anyoneunforunate in all departments. The Fortuna is the clue to the source wherein the Fortune of the native lies depending on which house it falls in.This is a position in the natal chart wherein we look for pointers for the person being fortunate in certain speheres of life and not all which is general commons sense.. For example some persons are Fortunate as advising astrologers and may be very good in the same, but may not be good in earning good money. Some are fortunate in having a good younger brother,while others may have their fortunes coming in through the wife after marriage, in whose charts the Fortuna lies in the 7th Cusp. Thus the fortuna does provide the clue in the Natal Chart forsuch inputs. We should not forget that the Kp system is after allderived from the Milk which is Parashar Vedic Astrology.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7@. ..> wrote:>> Dear All,> > As I have already mentioned that do not get confused with the word 'FORTUNA'. Its not necessary that every time fortuna will offer favourable results where it is located, rather it may cause favour or detrimental according to the cuspal position of star lord of its Sub sub lord and supported by Sub/Sub sub. It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate???> > The below formula is only applicable to the day birth but for the persons who are born after Sunset and before Sunrise have to calculate their Fortuna by formula:> Long of Sun - Long of Moon + Long of Asc.> > > Thanks & Regards> D K Bhaskar> +91-9910048040> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@.. .> wrote: > Dear Chagantikiran> The formula for calculating positon of Fortuna is (Long of Moon - Long of sun +Long of ASC)> the long are in degree min sec. If this result is more than 360 then deduct 360. Once you get the long of Fortuna, you can calculate the Sign, degree, min ,sec. You can then place it in the house in your chart. The General Rule is that you will FORTUNATE (Lucky) in the matters signified by the House, where fortuna is found.> >

> chagantikiran <chagantikiran@ ...> wrote:> Dear Astrologers , i saw the discussion about the fortuna point in the > group , can anybody tell me where the point is situated in my kundali ,> and what are its effects,on my career and income .> > MY Dob 31/12/1976> time 21.38> place mancherial , adilabad district(AP)> > > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> D K Bhaskar> Shanti Kunj, 60, Amrit Nagar, South Extn. Part - I, New Delhi> Mob.: 91-9910048040> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger>

 

 

 

 

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Hare Krsna.

 

Namaste to you all. Even though the statemnet given by Sri YR Lajmi,

is strictly in accordance with the rules formulated by Sri KSK,

often it leads to some sort of confusion. In my little experience i

find that the rule always not holds good.

 

sorry for the intrusion

Pavan Kumar

 

 

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Garav and Shri Raichurji,

> As per K.P.,

and my limited experience,the planets among the RPs,and

significators arrived at, those that are posited in the subs of the

significators of the houses being considered for analysis, and are

also untenanted, are the strongest,to deliver results...

> I invite

comments of all KP astrologers...

> With regards,

> L.Y.Rao.

>

>

>

>

> sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka

>

> Sunday, 22 April, 2007 4:00:06 PM

> Re: Re: Fortuna and its effects

>

> dear gaurav,

> i also follow the same theory mentioned by KSK

> my guruji (late hasbe)told us to take star of ascendant if only

2or 3 ruling planets are

> available and in that case give importance to asc.star

> also i follow that if rahu/ketu are directly in RP then only i

select Rahu/ketu

> i dont select rahu/ketu as agents

> this is my experience . the members should try this also

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

> Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

> Dear Shree Gaurav

> Please study and understand the discussion by Shree KSK in Reader

3 page 494 under heading RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME "

> .sEE ALSO PAGE 503 where Guruji gives the Ruling Planets

method, .Here he takes only 4 RPS. DayLord,Moon starlord, Moon Sign

Lord, And asc sign Lord.

> These he says will be same as Sign Lord, StarLord, and Sub Lord,

and Subsublord of the Lagna(the ascendent of the chart)

>

>

>

> yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

> Namaste Raichur ji,

>

> thank you for your mail, I have very very high respect for mr.Rao,

just that I could not tally this method of checking correct

birthtime, can you suggest other methods per KP about this...

>

>

> Gaurav

>

> In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:06:37 A.M. India Standard Time,

raichurar writes:

> Sorry to butt in.

> The rule quoted by the learned L.Y.Rao, is not,I repeat, stated by

Late KSK, but has been formulated, later by his learned followers. I

have not found that it works in 100 percent cases.

> Kanak examined 100 charts, where the TOB was authentic, and I

checked some for this rule also. The authetic Birth times, more

often than not, didi not satisfy this rule.

>

> Good Luck

>

>

> yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

> Namaste Sri.L.Y.Rao ji,

>

> In my case, the sub-lord and sub-sub-lord for my lagna is mer-rahu

and the star-lord and sub-lord of my moon is moon-rahu. So per your

statement it is incorrect. However, I then tried to look into the

chart of my daughter who was born in the hospital room last year

with me standing with a stop watch to time her birth-time, and even

that does not tally..so I am not sure what to make of it.

>

> I do concede that a famous astrologer did suggest me having

varogottama navamsa lagna as oppose to Taurus, but I brushed it away

since that makes my chart too powerful to live a rather ordinary

life.

>

> In any event, the star lord of 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 11th houses are

mer, jup, mer, venus respectively with the current time of birth.

Out of these, mer and jup are tenants in the 2nd house, and mer is

the star lord of jupiter, posited with exalted jupiter in 2nd. Venus

is in the star of mars who is the lord of 6th and 11th in 12th.

>

> I leave herein for your further insight, and you are the magican

and I am merely an observer eager to learn the tricks.

>

> Gaurav

>

> In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:28:58 P.M. India Standard Time,

lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes:

> Dear Gaurav,

> Sorry for butting-in.. .Firstly, does the

sub-lord and sub-sub lord of your Ascendant appear as the Moon's

st-lord and sub-lord respectively ? Only then is your Birth Time

correct , as per K.P.

> Are you destined to make money in the share

markets at all ? This needs to be examined first...

> Also, what is the relationshipsconnec tions

of the s/lords of the IInd,Vth,VIth & XIth cusps ?

> They should signify the IInd or the XIth or

the VIth.

> Kindly inform...

> With best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

>

>

>

> " yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com " <yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, 17 April, 2007 3:33:45 PM

> Re: Re: Fortuna and its effects

>

>

> Namaste Ramachandran ji,

>

>

> I have strong lagna lord in 2nd house with jupiter exalted, who is

also in LL nakshatra and sub, yet I have lost many many lacs of

rupees ( in dollars) last 3-4 weeks in stock market..why? what is

the logic here..

>

> Gaurav

> 3rd July 1979

> 6.18am

> jaipur, rajasthan

>

> In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:35:58 A.M. India Standard Time,

padma.ramachandran@ gmail.com writes:

> Dear Bhaskar,

>

> There is a simple logic to all those who want to check their luck;

either through fortuna or through Gems or through stock market.The

Lagna Lord must be strong and signify those houses which will act to

give you wealth. If the Lagna Lord is weak with connection to 8 or

12, no amount of gimmicks will produce any wealth. This is a clear

KP principle.Let us not deviate our attention with fortuna and gems.

For those who have weak lagna lord, even the horary will not show

any gain from stock market. I personally think that your Clients who

are making money in the market must be having strong lagna lord.and

also there must be a sure sign of involvement of 5th with the 11th.

As a test, you predict for a chart with weak lagna lord a gain in

the market and test out the results.

>

> V.Ramachandran.

>

>

> On 15 Apr 2007 22:53:40 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co.

in> wrote:

> Sir,

>

> //It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to

the

> native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope.

If

> this could be, then every person on this planet would have

> fortunate??? //

>

> Nobody in the world is fortunate in all departments, neither is

anyone

> unforunate in all departments. The Fortuna is the clue to the

source

> wherein the Fortune of the native lies depending on which house it

> falls in.

> This is a position in the natal chart wherein we look for pointers

> for the person being fortunate in certain speheres of life and not

> all which is general commons sense.. For example some persons are

> Fortunate as advising astrologers and may be very good in the

same,

> but may not be good in earning good money. Some are fortunate in

> having a good younger brother,while others may have their fortunes

> coming in through the wife after marriage, in whose charts the

> Fortuna lies in the 7th Cusp.

>

> Thus the fortuna does provide the clue in the Natal Chart for

> such inputs. We should not forget that the Kp system is after all

> derived from the Milk which is Parashar Vedic Astrology.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> @gro ups.com, Dharmendra Kumar

<kdbhaskar7@ ..>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > As I have already mentioned that do not get confused with the

> word 'FORTUNA'. Its not necessary that every time fortuna will

offer

> favourable results where it is located, rather it may cause favour

> or detrimental according to the cuspal position of star lord of

its

> Sub sub lord and supported by Sub/Sub sub. It is ridiculous to say

> that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to

its

> house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then

every

> person on this planet would have fortunate???

> >

> > The below formula is only applicable to the day birth but for

the

> persons who are born after Sunset and before Sunrise have to

> calculate their Fortuna by formula:

> > Long of Sun - Long of Moon + Long of Asc.

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards

> > D K Bhaskar

> > +91-9910048040

> >

> >

> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ .> wrote:

> > Dear Chagantikiran

> > The formula for calculating positon of Fortuna is (Long of Moon -

 

> Long of sun +Long of ASC)

> > the long are in degree min sec. If this result is more than 360

> then deduct 360. Once you get the long of Fortuna, you can

calculate

> the Sign, degree, min ,sec. You can then place it in the house in

> your chart. The General Rule is that you will FORTUNATE (Lucky) in

> the matters signified by the House, where fortuna is found.

> >

> >

>

> > chagantikiran <chagantikiran@ ...> wrote:

> > Dear Astrologers , i saw the discussion about the fortuna

> point in the

> > group , can anybody tell me where the point is situated in my

> kundali ,

> > and what are its effects,on my career and income .

> >

> > MY Dob 31/12/1976

> > time 21.38

> > place mancherial , adilabad district(AP)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Good Luck

> > Raichur A R

> > Bombay Tel 2506 2609

> > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that

> account

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > Check out new cars at Autos.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > D K Bhaskar

> > Shanti Kunj, 60, Amrit Nagar, South Extn. Part - I, New Delhi

> > Mob.: 91-9910048040

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger

> >

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> Good Luck

> Raichur A R

> Bombay Tel 2506 2609

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Namaste Sir,

 

This is also very interesting, so if no planets are in the star of a lord of a house, then the lord itself is strong to give the results pertaining to the house in question in its own dasa bukhti. Am I correct in this statement sir?

 

Namaste

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/24/2007 11:56:44 P.M. India Standard Time, sairaman53 writes:

Sairaman]if a planet is untenented and sub of a strong significator of the first order it is strongest of all significators no doubt about it more particulary one bhava un occupied no planet in the bhava lord str it is srrong significator and if any other planet is in its sub and that planet is also no teneneted by another planet is the strong sgtrong planet to give results to that housefor eg for cancer lagna 2nd house unoccupied leo sun in 8th house aquaris no planet in its str or sub getting government employement and salary from govt. (not even psu) howebver as it is 8th of husband during the bukthi the husband suffered very much finance job health in every sense Thank y yobrevol wrote:

 

 

 

Namaste L.Y.Rao ji,

 

Again, please understand that my questions may be basic, but I am only new to KP and thus attempting to learn from start. As per your statement below "..and are also untenanted..", if my understanding is correct, than in the 3rd reader, the author is actually suggesting that the "occupants" of significator houses are stronger to deliver results, so he is suggesting tenantship as a stronger indicator..

 

I quote from reader 3rd, 9th edition, page 181 "(a) planets posited in the constellation of the occupants in the houses 2,6,11 are the strongest to give wealth to a person. These planets may be debilitated or may be in enemy's house. Still one's status will improve in their periods and sub-periods, if they are in the sub of the significators or 2 or 6 or 11."

 

perhaps, (as always) I am missing something here in understanding?

 

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/23/2007 9:56:12 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes:

 

 

Dear Garav and Shri Raichurji,

As per K.P., and my limited experience,the planets among the RPs,and significators arrived at, those that are posited in the subs of the significators of the houses being considered for analysis, and are also untenanted, are the strongest,to deliver results...

I invite comments of all KP astrologers...

With regards,

L.Y.Rao.

sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2007 4:00:06 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects

 

 

dear gaurav,

i also follow the same theory mentioned by KSK

my guruji (late hasbe)told us to take star of ascendant if only 2or 3 ruling planets are

available and in that case give importance to asc.star

also i follow that if rahu/ketu are directly in RP then only i select Rahu/ketu

i dont select rahu/ketu as agents

this is my experience . the members should try this also

-sunil gondhalekarRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Shree Gaurav

Please study and understand the discussion by Shree KSK in Reader 3 page 494 under heading RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME ".sEE ALSO PAGE 503 where Guruji gives the Ruling Planets method, .Here he takes only 4 RPS. DayLord,Moon starlord, Moon Sign Lord, And asc sign Lord.

These he says will be same as Sign Lord, StarLord, and Sub Lord, and Subsublord of the Lagna(the ascendent of the chart)

 

 

yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

Namaste Raichur ji,

 

thank you for your mail, I have very very high respect for mr.Rao, just that I could not tally this method of checking correct birthtime, can you suggest other methods per KP about this...

 

 

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:06:37 A.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes:

 

Sorry to butt in.

The rule quoted by the learned L.Y.Rao, is not,I repeat, stated by Late KSK, but has been formulated, later by his learned followers. I have not found that it works in 100 percent cases.

Kanak examined 100 charts, where the TOB was authentic, and I checked some for this rule also. The authetic Birth times, more often than not, didi not satisfy this rule.

 

Good Luck

yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Sri.L.Y.Rao ji,

 

In my case, the sub-lord and sub-sub-lord for my lagna is mer-rahu and the star-lord and sub-lord of my moon is moon-rahu. So per your statement it is incorrect. However, I then tried to look into the chart of my daughter who was born in the hospital room last year with me standing with a stop watch to time her birth-time, and even that does not tally..so I am not sure what to make of it.

 

I do concede that a famous astrologer did suggest me having varogottama navamsa lagna as oppose to Taurus, but I brushed it away since that makes my chart too powerful to live a rather ordinary life.

 

In any event, the star lord of 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 11th houses are mer, jup, mer, venus respectively with the current time of birth. Out of these, mer and jup are tenants in the 2nd house, and mer is the star lord of jupiter, posited with exalted jupiter in 2nd. Venus is in the star of mars who is the lord of 6th and 11th in 12th.

 

I leave herein for your further insight, and you are the magican and I am merely an observer eager to learn the tricks.

 

Gaurav

 

In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:28:58 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes:

 

 

Dear Gaurav,

Sorry for butting-in.. .Firstly, does the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of your Ascendant appear as the Moon's st-lord and sub-lord respectively ? Only then is your Birth Time correct , as per K.P.

Are you destined to make money in the share markets at all ? This needs to be examined first...

Also, what is the relationshipsconnec tions of the s/lords of the IInd,Vth,VIth & XIth cusps ?

They should signify the IInd or the XIth or the VIth.

Kindly inform...

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

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Namaste Ramachandran ji,

 

 

I have strong lagna lord in 2nd house with jupiter exalted, who is also in LL nakshatra and sub, yet I have lost many many lacs of rupees ( in dollars) last 3-4 weeks in stock market..why? what is the logic here..

 

Gaurav

3rd July 1979

6.18am

jaipur, rajasthan

 

In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:35:58 A.M. India Standard Time, padma.ramachandran@ gmail.com writes:

Dear Bhaskar,There is a simple logic to all those who want to check their luck; either through fortuna or through Gems or through stock market.The Lagna Lord must be strong and signify those houses which will act to give you wealth. If the Lagna Lord is weak with connection to 8 or 12, no amount of gimmicks will produce any wealth. This is a clear KP principle.Let us not deviate our attention with fortuna and gems. For those who have weak lagna lord, even the horary will not show any gain from stock market. I personally think that your Clients who are making money in the market must be having strong lagna lord.and also there must be a sure sign of involvement of 5th with the 11th. As a test, you predict for a chart with weak lagna lord a gain in the market and test out the results.V.Ramachandran.

On 15 Apr 2007 22:53:40 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Sir,//It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate??? //Nobody in the world is fortunate in all departments, neither is anyoneunforunate in all departments. The Fortuna is the clue to the source wherein the Fortune of the native lies depending on which house it falls in.This is a position in the natal chart wherein we look for pointers for the person being fortunate in certain speheres of life and not all which is general commons sense.. For example some persons are Fortunate as advising astrologers and may be very good in the same, but may not be good in earning good money. Some are fortunate in having a good younger brother,while others may have their fortunes coming in through the wife after marriage, in whose charts the Fortuna lies in the 7th Cusp. Thus the fortuna does provide the clue in the Natal Chart forsuch inputs. We should not forget that the Kp system is after allderived from the Milk which is Parashar Vedic Astrology.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7@. ..> wrote:>> Dear All,> > As I have already mentioned that do not get confused with the word 'FORTUNA'. Its not necessary that every time fortuna will offer favourable results where it is located, rather it may cause favour or detrimental according to the cuspal position of star lord of its Sub sub lord and supported by Sub/Sub sub. It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate???> > The below formula is only applicable to the day birth but for the persons who are born after Sunset and before Sunrise have to calculate their Fortuna by formula:> Long of Sun - Long of Moon + Long of Asc.> > > Thanks & Regards> D K Bhaskar> +91-9910048040> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@.. .> wrote: > Dear Chagantikiran> The formula for calculating positon of Fortuna is (Long of Moon - Long of sun +Long of ASC)> the long are in degree min sec. If this result is more than 360 then deduct 360. Once you get the long of Fortuna, you can calculate the Sign, degree, min ,sec. You can then place it in the house in your chart. The General Rule is that you will FORTUNATE (Lucky) in the matters signified by the House, where fortuna is found.> >

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Sairaman]if a planet is untenented and sub of a strong significator of the first order it is strongest of all significators no doubt about it more particulary one bhava un occupied no planet in the bhava lord str it is srrong significator and if any other planet is in its sub and that planet is also no teneneted by another planet is the strong sgtrong planet to give results to that housefor eg for cancer lagna 2nd house unoccupied leo sun in 8th house aquaris no planet in its str or sub getting government employement and salary from govt. (not even psu) howebver as it is 8th of husband during the bukthi the husband suffered very much finance job health in every sense Thank y yobrevol wrote: Namaste L.Y.Rao ji, Again, please understand that my questions may be basic, but I am only new to KP and thus attempting to learn from start. As per your statement below "..and are also untenanted..", if my understanding is correct, than in the 3rd reader, the author is actually suggesting that the "occupants" of significator houses are stronger to deliver results, so he is suggesting tenantship as a stronger

indicator.. I quote from reader 3rd, 9th edition, page 181 "(a) planets posited in the constellation of the occupants in the houses 2,6,11 are the strongest to give wealth to a person. These planets may be debilitated or may be in enemy's house. Still one's status will improve in their periods and sub-periods, if they are in the sub of the significators or 2 or 6 or 11." perhaps, (as always) I am missing something here in understanding? Gaurav In a message dated 4/23/2007 9:56:12 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes: Dear Garav and Shri

Raichurji, As per K.P., and my limited experience,the planets among the RPs,and significators arrived at, those that are posited in the subs of the significators of the houses being considered for analysis, and are also untenanted, are the

strongest,to deliver results... I invite comments of all KP astrologers... With regards, L.Y.Rao. sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2007 4:00:06 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects dear gaurav, i also follow the same theory mentioned by KSK my guruji (late hasbe)told us to take star of ascendant if only 2or 3 ruling planets are available and in that case give importance to asc.star also i follow that if rahu/ketu are directly in RP then only i select Rahu/ketu i dont select rahu/ketu as agents this is my experience . the members should try this also

-sunil gondhalekarRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Shree Gaurav Please study and understand the discussion by Shree KSK in Reader 3 page 494 under heading RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME ".sEE ALSO PAGE 503 where Guruji gives the Ruling Planets method, .Here he takes only 4 RPS. DayLord,Moon starlord, Moon

Sign Lord, And asc sign Lord. These he says will be same as Sign Lord, StarLord, and Sub Lord, and Subsublord of the Lagna(the ascendent of the chart) yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste Raichur ji, thank you for your mail, I have very very high respect for mr.Rao, just that I could not tally this method of checking correct birthtime, can you suggest other methods per KP about this... Gaurav In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:06:37 A.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes: Sorry to butt in. The rule quoted by the learned L.Y.Rao, is not,I repeat, stated by Late KSK, but has been formulated, later by his learned followers. I have not found that it works in 100 percent cases. Kanak examined 100 charts, where the TOB was authentic, and I checked some for this rule also. The authetic Birth times, more often than not, didi not satisfy this rule. Good Luck yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste Sri.L.Y.Rao ji, In my case, the sub-lord and sub-sub-lord for my lagna is mer-rahu and the star-lord and sub-lord of my moon is moon-rahu. So per your statement it is incorrect. However, I then tried to look into the chart of my daughter who was born in the hospital room last year with me standing with a stop watch to time her birth-time, and even that does not tally..so I am not sure what to make of it. I do concede that a famous astrologer did suggest me having varogottama navamsa lagna as oppose to Taurus, but I brushed it away since that makes my chart too powerful to live a rather ordinary life. In any event, the star lord of 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 11th houses are mer, jup, mer, venus respectively with the current time of birth. Out of these, mer and jup are tenants in the 2nd house, and mer is the star lord of jupiter, posited with exalted jupiter in 2nd. Venus is in the star of mars who is the lord of 6th and 11th in 12th. I leave herein for your further insight, and you are the magican and I am merely an observer eager to learn the tricks. Gaurav In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:28:58 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes: Dear Gaurav, Sorry for butting-in.. .Firstly, does the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of your Ascendant appear as the Moon's st-lord and sub-lord respectively ? Only then is your Birth Time correct , as per K.P. Are you destined to make money in the share markets at all ? This needs to be examined first... Also, what is the relationshipsconnec tions of the s/lords of the IInd,Vth,VIth & XIth cusps ? They should signify the IInd or the

XIth or the VIth. Kindly inform... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! "yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com" <yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 April, 2007 3:33:45 PMRe: Re: Fortuna

and its effects Namaste Ramachandran ji, I have strong lagna lord in 2nd house with jupiter exalted, who is also in LL nakshatra and sub, yet I have lost many many lacs of rupees ( in dollars) last 3-4 weeks in stock market..why? what is the logic here.. Gaurav 3rd July 1979 6.18am jaipur, rajasthan In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:35:58 A.M. India Standard Time, padma.ramachandran@ gmail.com writes: Dear Bhaskar,There is a simple logic to all those who want to check their luck; either through fortuna or through Gems or through stock market.The Lagna Lord must be strong and signify those houses which will act to give you wealth. If the Lagna Lord is weak with connection to 8 or 12, no amount of gimmicks will produce any wealth. This is a clear KP principle.Let us not deviate our attention with fortuna and gems. For those who have weak lagna lord, even the horary will not show any gain from stock market. I personally think that your Clients who are making money in the market must be having strong lagna lord.and also there must be a sure sign of involvement of 5th with the 11th. As a test, you predict for a chart with weak lagna lord a

gain in the market and test out the results.V.Ramachandran. On 15 Apr 2007 22:53:40 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Sir,//It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate???

//Nobody in the world is fortunate in all departments, neither is anyoneunforunate in all departments. The Fortuna is the clue to the source wherein the Fortune of the native lies depending on which house it falls in.This is a position in the natal chart wherein we look for pointers for the person being fortunate in certain speheres of life and not all which is general commons sense.. For example some persons are Fortunate as advising astrologers and may be very good in the same, but may not be good in earning good money. Some are fortunate in having a good younger brother,while others may have their fortunes coming in through the wife after marriage, in whose charts the Fortuna lies in the 7th Cusp. Thus the fortuna does provide the clue in the Natal Chart forsuch inputs. We should not forget that the Kp system is after allderived from the Milk which is Parashar Vedic Astrology.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7@. ..> wrote:>> Dear All,> > As I have already mentioned that do not get confused with the word 'FORTUNA'. Its not necessary that every time fortuna will offer favourable results where it is located, rather it may cause favour or detrimental according to the cuspal position of star

lord of its Sub sub lord and supported by Sub/Sub sub. It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate???> > The below formula is only applicable to the day birth but for the persons who are born after Sunset and before Sunrise have to calculate their Fortuna by formula:> Long of Sun - Long of Moon + Long of Asc.> > > Thanks & Regards> D K Bhaskar> +91-9910048040> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@.. .> wrote: > Dear Chagantikiran> The formula for calculating positon of Fortuna is (Long of Moon - Long of sun +Long of ASC)> the long are in degree min sec. If this result is more than 360 then deduct 360. Once you get the long of Fortuna, you can calculate the Sign, degree, min ,sec. You can then place it in the house in your chart. The General Rule is that you will FORTUNATE (Lucky) in the matters signified by the House, where fortuna is found.> > > chagantikiran <chagantikiran@ ...> wrote:> Dear Astrologers , i saw the discussion about the fortuna point in the > group , can anybody tell me where the point is situated in my kundali ,> and what

are its effects,on my career and income .> > MY Dob 31/12/1976> time 21.38> place mancherial , adilabad district(AP)> > > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> D K Bhaskar> Shanti Kunj, 60, Amrit Nagar, South Extn. Part - I, New Delhi> Mob.:

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dear gaurav, what KSK has written is correct but look at the word what he has mentioned if they are in the sub of significator of 2-6-11 word mentioned is significator and not only sub hence i see sub`s star position which gives the picture this is what my 4 step theory says pl.check what i mentioned which will give you answer -sunil gondhalekar yobrevol wrote: Namaste L.Y.Rao ji, Again, please understand that my questions may be basic, but I am only new to KP and thus attempting to learn from start. As per your statement below "..and are also untenanted..", if my understanding is correct, than in the 3rd reader, the author is actually suggesting that the "occupants" of significator houses are stronger to deliver results, so he is suggesting tenantship as a stronger indicator.. I quote from reader 3rd, 9th edition, page 181 "(a) planets posited in the constellation of the occupants in the houses 2,6,11 are the strongest to give wealth to a person. These planets may be debilitated or may be in enemy's house. Still one's status will improve in their periods and sub-periods, if they are in the sub of the significators or 2 or 6 or 11." perhaps, (as always) I am

missing something here in understanding? Gaurav In a message dated 4/23/2007 9:56:12 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes: Dear Garav and Shri Raichurji, As per K.P., and my limited experience,the planets among the RPs,and significators arrived

at, those that are posited in the subs of the significators of the houses being considered for analysis, and are also untenanted, are the strongest,to deliver results... I invite comments of all KP astrologers... With regards, L.Y.Rao. sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2007 4:00:06 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects dear gaurav, i also follow the same theory mentioned by KSK my guruji (late hasbe)told us to take star of ascendant if only 2or 3 ruling planets are available and in that case give importance to asc.star also i follow that if rahu/ketu are

directly in RP then only i select Rahu/ketu i dont select rahu/ketu as agents this is my experience . the members should try this also -sunil gondhalekarRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Shree Gaurav Please study and understand the discussion by Shree KSK in Reader 3 page 494 under heading RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME ".sEE ALSO PAGE 503 where Guruji gives the Ruling Planets method, .Here he takes only 4 RPS. DayLord,Moon starlord, Moon Sign Lord, And asc sign Lord. These he says will be same as Sign Lord, StarLord, and Sub Lord, and Subsublord of the Lagna(the ascendent of the chart) yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste Raichur ji, thank you for your mail, I have very very high respect for mr.Rao, just that I could not tally this method of checking correct birthtime, can you suggest other methods per KP about this... Gaurav In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:06:37 A.M. India Standard Time, raichurar writes: Sorry to butt in. The rule quoted by the learned L.Y.Rao, is not,I repeat, stated by Late KSK, but has been formulated, later by his learned followers. I have not found that it works in 100 percent cases. Kanak examined 100 charts, where the TOB was authentic, and I checked some for this rule

also. The authetic Birth times, more often than not, didi not satisfy this rule. Good Luck yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste Sri.L.Y.Rao ji, In my case, the sub-lord and sub-sub-lord for my lagna is mer-rahu and the star-lord and sub-lord of my moon is moon-rahu. So per your statement it is incorrect. However, I then tried to look into the chart of my daughter who was born in the hospital room last year with me standing with a stop watch to time her birth-time, and even that does not tally..so I am not sure what to make of it. I do concede that a famous astrologer

did suggest me having varogottama navamsa lagna as oppose to Taurus, but I brushed it away since that makes my chart too powerful to live a rather ordinary life. In any event, the star lord of 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 11th houses are mer, jup, mer, venus respectively with the current time of birth. Out of these, mer and jup are tenants in the 2nd house, and mer is the star lord of jupiter, posited with exalted jupiter in 2nd. Venus is in the star of mars who is the lord of 6th and 11th in 12th. I leave herein for your further insight, and you are the magican and I am merely an observer eager to learn the tricks. Gaurav In a message dated 4/17/2007 8:28:58 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes: Dear Gaurav, Sorry for butting-in.. .Firstly, does the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of your Ascendant appear as the Moon's st-lord and sub-lord respectively ? Only then is your Birth Time correct , as per K.P. Are you destined to

make money in the share markets at all ? This needs to be examined first... Also, what is the relationshipsconnec tions of the s/lords of the IInd,Vth,VIth & XIth cusps ? They should signify the IInd or the XIth or the VIth. Kindly inform... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! "yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com" <yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 April, 2007 3:33:45 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects Namaste Ramachandran ji, I have strong lagna lord in 2nd house with jupiter exalted, who is also in LL nakshatra and sub, yet I have lost many many lacs of rupees ( in dollars) last 3-4 weeks in stock market..why? what is the logic here.. Gaurav 3rd July 1979 6.18am jaipur, rajasthan In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:35:58 A.M. India Standard Time, padma.ramachandran@ gmail.com writes: Dear Bhaskar,There is a simple logic to all those who want to check their luck; either through fortuna or through Gems or through stock market.The Lagna Lord must be strong and signify those houses which will act to give you wealth. If the Lagna Lord is weak with connection to 8 or 12, no amount of gimmicks will produce any wealth. This is a clear KP principle.Let us not deviate our attention with fortuna and gems. For those who have weak lagna lord, even the horary will not show any gain from stock market. I personally think that your Clients who are making money in the market must be having strong lagna lord.and also there must be a sure sign of involvement of 5th with the 11th. As a test, you predict for a chart with weak lagna lord a gain in the market and

test out the results.V.Ramachandran. On 15 Apr 2007 22:53:40 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Sir,//It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate??? //Nobody in the world is fortunate in all departments, neither is anyoneunforunate in all departments. The Fortuna is the clue to the source wherein the Fortune of the native lies depending on which house it falls in.This is a

position in the natal chart wherein we look for pointers for the person being fortunate in certain speheres of life and not all which is general commons sense.. For example some persons are Fortunate as advising astrologers and may be very good in the same, but may not be good in earning good money. Some are fortunate in having a good younger brother,while others may have their fortunes coming in through the wife after marriage, in whose charts the Fortuna lies in the 7th Cusp. Thus the fortuna does provide the clue in the Natal Chart forsuch inputs. We should not forget that the Kp system is after allderived from the Milk which is Parashar Vedic Astrology.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7@. ..> wrote:>> Dear All,> > As I have already mentioned that do not get confused with the word 'FORTUNA'. Its not necessary that every time fortuna will offer favourable results where it is located, rather it may cause favour or detrimental according to the cuspal position of star lord of its Sub sub lord and supported by Sub/Sub sub. It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate???> > The below formula is only applicable to the day birth but for the persons who are born after Sunset and before Sunrise have to calculate their Fortuna by formula:> Long of Sun - Long of Moon + Long of Asc.> > > Thanks & Regards> D K Bhaskar> +91-9910048040> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@..

..> wrote: > Dear Chagantikiran> The formula for calculating positon of Fortuna is (Long of Moon - Long of sun +Long of ASC)> the long are in degree min sec. If this result is more than 360 then deduct 360. Once you get the long of Fortuna, you can calculate the Sign, degree, min ,sec. You can then place it in the house in your chart. The General Rule is that you will FORTUNATE (Lucky) in the matters signified by the House, where fortuna is found.> > > chagantikiran <chagantikiran@ ...> wrote:> Dear Astrologers , i saw the discussion about the fortuna point in the > group , can anybody tell me where the point is situated in my kundali ,> and what are its effects,on my career and income .> > MY Dob 31/12/1976> time 21.38> place mancherial , adilabad district(AP)> > >

> > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> D K Bhaskar> Shanti Kunj, 60, Amrit Nagar, South Extn. Part - I, New Delhi> Mob.: 91-9910048040> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger> See what's free at AOL.com. Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger See what's free at AOL.com. See what's free at AOL.com. Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. See what's free at AOL.com. Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger See what's free at AOL.com.

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sairamankp system is wounderfuli am a houseowner neither i occupy i given for rent he gives to rent another person sub let etc though owner only documents are with me what to do with this the tenet is absolutely enjoying the high value property neither vacates nor gives rent what i can do only prey god to vacate unless handover keys in indiaqn conditions it is very very difficults to retrieve propertyeither enjoy or lock it the same way a house as y said unoccupied and no planet in the sgtr of that house lord it is powerful what y have said is right and i have no doubtsthanks siryobrevol wrote: Namaste Sir, This is also very interesting, so if no planets are in the star of a lord of a house, then the lord itself is strong to give the results pertaining to the house in question in its own dasa bukhti. Am I correct in this statement sir? Namaste Gaurav In a message dated 4/24/2007 11:56:44 P.M. India Standard Time, sairaman53 writes: Sairaman]if a planet is untenented and sub of a strong significator of the first order it is strongest of all significators no doubt about it more particulary one bhava un occupied no planet in the bhava lord str it is srrong significator and if any other planet is in its sub and that planet is also no teneneted by another planet is the strong sgtrong planet to give results to that housefor eg for cancer lagna 2nd house unoccupied leo sun in 8th house aquaris no planet in its str or sub getting government

employement and salary from govt. (not even psu) howebver as it is 8th of husband during the bukthi the husband suffered very much finance job health in every sense Thank y yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste L.Y.Rao ji, Again, please understand that my questions may be basic, but I am only new to KP and thus attempting to learn from start. As per your statement below "..and are also untenanted..", if my understanding is correct, than in the 3rd reader, the author is actually suggesting that the "occupants" of significator houses are stronger to deliver results, so he is suggesting tenantship as a stronger indicator.. I quote from reader 3rd, 9th edition, page 181 "(a) planets posited in the constellation of the occupants in the houses 2,6,11 are the strongest to give wealth to a person. These planets may be debilitated or may be in enemy's house. Still one's status will improve in their periods and sub-periods, if they are in the sub of the significators or 2 or 6 or 11." perhaps, (as always) I am missing something here in understanding? Gaurav In a message dated 4/23/2007 9:56:12 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes: Dear Garav and Shri Raichurji, As per K.P., and my limited experience,the planets among

the RPs,and significators arrived at, those that are posited in the subs of the significators of the houses being considered for analysis, and are also untenanted, are the strongest,to deliver results... I invite comments of all KP astrologers... With regards, L.Y.Rao. sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka > Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2007 4:00:06 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects dear gaurav, i also follow the same theory mentioned by KSK my guruji (late hasbe)told us to take

star of ascendant if only 2or 3 ruling planets are available and in that case give importance to asc.star also i follow that if rahu/ketu are directly in RP then only i select Rahu/ketu i dont select rahu/ketu as agents this is my experience . the members should try this also -sunil gondhalekarRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear Shree Gaurav Please study and understand the discussion by Shree KSK in Reader 3 page

494 under heading RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME ".sEE ALSO PAGE 503 where Guruji gives the Ruling Planets method, .Here he takes only 4 RPS. DayLord,Moon starlord, Moon Sign Lord, And asc sign Lord. These he says will be same as Sign Lord, StarLord, and Sub Lord, and Subsublord of the

Lagna(the ascendent of the chart) yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste Raichur ji, thank you for your mail, I have very very high respect for mr.Rao, just that I could not tally this method of checking correct birthtime, can you suggest other methods per KP about this... Gaurav In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:06:37 A.M. India Standard

Time, raichurar writes: Sorry to butt in. The rule quoted by the learned L.Y.Rao, is not,I repeat, stated by Late KSK, but has been formulated, later by his learned followers. I have not found that it works in 100 percent cases. Kanak examined 100 charts, where the TOB was authentic, and I checked some for this rule also. The authetic Birth times, more often than not, didi not satisfy this rule. Good Luck yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: Namaste Sri.L.Y.Rao ji, In my case, the sub-lord and sub-sub-lord for my lagna is mer-rahu and the star-lord and sub-lord of my moon is moon-rahu. So per your statement it is incorrect. However, I then tried to look into the chart of my daughter who was born in the hospital room last year with me standing with a stop watch to time her birth-time, and even that does not tally..so I am not sure what to make of it. I do concede that a famous astrologer did suggest me having varogottama navamsa lagna as oppose to Taurus, but I

brushed it away since that makes my chart too powerful to live a rather ordinary life. In any event, the star lord of 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 11th houses are mer, jup, mer, venus respectively with the current time of birth. Out of these, mer and jup are tenants in the 2nd house, and mer is the star lord of jupiter, posited with exalted jupiter in 2nd. Venus is in the star of mars who is the lord of 6th and 11th in 12th. I leave herein for your further insight, and you are the magican and I am merely an observer eager to learn the tricks. Gaurav In a message dated 4/17/2007

8:28:58 P.M. India Standard Time, lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in writes: Dear Gaurav, Sorry for butting-in.. .Firstly, does the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of your Ascendant appear as the Moon's st-lord and sub-lord respectively ? Only then is your Birth Time correct , as per K.P. Are you destined to make money in the share markets at all ? This needs to be examined first... Also, what is the relationshipsconnec tions of the s/lords of the IInd,Vth,VIth & XIth cusps ? They should signify the IInd or the XIth or the VIth. Kindly inform... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! "yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com" <yobrevol (AT) aol (DOT) com>@gro ups.comTuesday, 17 April, 2007 3:33:45 PMRe: Re: Fortuna and its effects Namaste Ramachandran ji, I have strong lagna lord in 2nd house with jupiter exalted, who is also in LL nakshatra and sub, yet I have lost many many lacs of rupees ( in dollars) last 3-4 weeks in stock market..why? what is the logic here.. Gaurav 3rd July 1979 6.18am jaipur, rajasthan In a message dated 4/17/2007 1:35:58 A.M. India Standard Time, padma.ramachandran@ gmail.com writes: Dear Bhaskar,There is a simple logic to all those who want to check their luck; either through fortuna or through Gems or through stock market.The Lagna Lord must be strong and signify those houses which will act to give you wealth. If the Lagna Lord is weak with connection to 8 or 12, no amount of gimmicks will produce any wealth. This is a clear KP principle.Let us not deviate our

attention with fortuna and gems. For those who have weak lagna lord, even the horary will not show any gain from stock market. I personally think that your Clients who are making money in the market must be having strong lagna lord.and also there must be a sure sign of involvement of 5th with the 11th. As a test, you predict for a chart with weak lagna lord a gain in the market and test out the results.V.Ramachandran. On 15 Apr 2007 22:53:40 -0700, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Sir,//It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate??? //Nobody in the world is fortunate in all departments, neither is anyoneunforunate in all departments. The Fortuna is the clue to the source wherein the Fortune of the native lies depending on which house it falls in.This is a position in the natal chart wherein

we look for pointers for the person being fortunate in certain speheres of life and not all which is general commons sense.. For example some persons are Fortunate as advising astrologers and may be very good in the same, but may not be good in earning good money. Some are fortunate in having a good younger brother,while others may have their fortunes coming in through the wife after marriage, in whose charts the Fortuna lies in the 7th Cusp. Thus the fortuna does provide the clue in the Natal Chart forsuch inputs. We should not forget that the Kp system is after allderived from the Milk which is Parashar Vedic Astrology.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7@. ..> wrote:>> Dear All,> > As I have already mentioned that do not get confused with the word 'FORTUNA'. Its not necessary that every time fortuna will offer favourable results where it is located, rather it may cause favour or detrimental according to the cuspal position of star lord of its Sub sub lord and supported by Sub/Sub sub. It is ridiculous to say that fortuna always brings fortune to the native with respect to its house position in the natal horoscope. If this could be, then every person on this planet would have fortunate???> > The below formula is only applicable to the day birth but for the persons who are born after Sunset and before Sunrise have to calculate their Fortuna by formula:> Long of Sun - Long of Moon + Long of Asc.> > > Thanks & Regards> D K Bhaskar> +91-9910048040> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@.. .> wrote: > Dear Chagantikiran> The formula for calculating positon of Fortuna is (Long of Moon - Long of sun +Long of ASC)> the long are in degree min sec. If this result is more than 360 then deduct 360. Once you get the long of Fortuna, you can calculate the Sign, degree, min ,sec. You can then place it in the house in your chart. The General Rule is that you will FORTUNATE (Lucky) in the matters signified by the House, where fortuna is found.> > > chagantikiran <chagantikiran@ ...> wrote:> Dear Astrologers , i saw the discussion about the fortuna point in the > group , can anybody tell me where the point is situated in my kundali ,> and what are its effects,on my career and income .> > MY Dob 31/12/1976> time 21.38> place mancherial , adilabad district(AP)> > > > > > > Good Luck > Raichur A R > Bombay Tel 2506 2609 > Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?> Check out new cars at Autos. > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> D K Bhaskar> Shanti Kunj, 60, Amrit Nagar, South Extn. Part - I, New Delhi> Mob.: 91-9910048040> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger> See what's free at AOL.com. Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger See what's free at AOL.com. See what's free at AOL.com. Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. See what's free at AOL.com. Good Luck Raichur A R Bombay Tel 2506 2609 Do not use anant_1608 @ I have closed that account Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger See what's free at AOL.com. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. See what's free at AOL.com.

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