spritual practise success/failure

April 9, 2010

Bhai ,

Hamaari jindagi mein Mouja hi Mouja hai , Mouji Bhai...

But one thing is sure, that if a man does not get peace in this Life, then he

cannot expect it in the after Life..

The best part is to remain cheerful in Life...come what way. This is the only

panacea to stay away from minor worries...

From the major ones like the medical ailments , one cannot have respite from

worry as it is connected to physical pains, but the rest problems of Life are

not worries but just creating unnecessary tensions and exaggeration of them,

which is normally done by most of us...to glorify our great tensions...

regards/Bhaskar.

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

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> Spirituality. Which path to adopt and which to leave. Which Guru to adopt and

whom to reject as a guru. Harivansh Rai Bachhan gave the solution " raah pakar

too ek chala chal, pa jayega madhushala " (select one path and then keep tredging

it with patience and finally you reach your end, your goal (if that is the

goal)...

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> One who has read all the scriptures and have understood the essence of that

and one who has risen above all the doctrines of life scripted by various faiths

and religions, one who has escaped from the clutches of rituals prescribed by

all practitioners of faith only can reach that " madhu (honey) shala (land) "

>

> It all depends on how one perceives the things. One can perceive this

madhushala of Bachhan as a modern day " BAR " or one can also perceive this

Madhushala as a place where one is bereft of all worries of life and reaches the

end becoming a " mouji " .

>

> Mouj lo.....

>

> best wishes

>

> Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> Manoj Kumar <mouji99

>

> Fri, April 9, 2010 11:23:06 AM

> Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure

>

> Â

> Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death,

the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing

cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding

the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany,

the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of

what would happen to my body after me.....

>

> after me.....

>

> after me.....

>

> when i am not there then why fear.....

>

> Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

>

> That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun

yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " ....

>

> Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death

too)....

>

> just some random thoughts....

>

> best wishes,

>

> Mouji

>

> ________________________________

> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

>

> Â

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Agreed!

>

> " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, "

>

> ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " )

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > tapestry

> > called life on earth " //

> >

> > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life "

> > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God

> > lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because

> > all of us are in fact - enjoying living .

> >

> > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is

> > not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is

> > knowing fear and Love.

> >

> > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he

> > recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ?

> > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always

> > known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know

> > what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you

> > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...

> >

> > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the

> > Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a

> > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the

> > individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and

> > foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows

> > about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,

> > Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.

> >

> > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > >

> > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to

> > lose my marbles just yet!!

> > >

> > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> > the body ages...

> > >

> > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > immediate needs of one own circle.

> > >

> > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

> > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the

> > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

> > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > >

> > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

> > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

> > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> > unperturbed by people or events...

> > >

> > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > >

> > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > active participant.

> > >

> > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > tapestry called life on earth "

> > >

> > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > caterpillar. .

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

> > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You said

> > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > success/failure

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> > prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > > >

> > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > indicate some probability.

> > > >

> > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very

> > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of

> > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > >

> > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > >

> > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

> > place.

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.

> > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> > thoughts of the other world do arise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> > papers ready?.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> > debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > >

> > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> > again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > >

> > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good

> > -

> > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in

> > case of

> > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> > TRANSIT

> > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH

> > CHART

> > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> > of judge

> > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > astrologer

> > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > (kantaka) from

> > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > Jupiter

> > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

> > birth

> > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > http://in.. com/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 9, 2010

Zindagi toh bewafa hai, ek din tukhraye gi.

Maut mehbooba hai apni, ek din toh ayegi.

(life is unfaithful, someday it will desert you,

death is the beloved, someday she will claim you)

warmest regards

Sheevani

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Koi ummeed bar nahi aati, koi surat nazar nahi aati

> Maut ka ek din muayyan hai, Neend kyun raat bar nahi aati

>

> Aage aati thi haal e dil pe hasi, Ab kisi baat par nahi aati

> Hai kuch aisi hi baat jo chup hai, Warna kya baat kar nahi aati

>

> Daag-e-dil gar nazar nahi aata, wo bhi aye charagar nahi aati

> Hum wahan hai jahan se humko bhi, Kuch humari khabar nahin aati

>

> kyon na cheekhon ki yaad karte hain, meri aawaaz gar nahin aati

> Marte hai aarzoo mein marne ki, Maut aati hai par nahi aati

>

> kaaba kis munh se jaaoge Ghalib, sharam tumko magar nahi aati

>

> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

>

> >

> > Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of

> > death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear

> > of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the

> > fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of

> > flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover

> > this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....

> >

> > after me.....

> >

> > after me.....

> >

> > when i am not there then why fear.....

> >

> > Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

> >

> > That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun

> > yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " ....

> >

> > Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death

> > too)....

> >

> > just some random thoughts....

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Sheevani <sheevani147

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > success/failure

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Agreed!

> >

> > " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, "

> >

> > ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " )

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > tapestry

> > > called life on earth " //

> > >

> > > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life "

> > > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God

> > > lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because

> > > all of us are in fact - enjoying living .

> > >

> > > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual mind is

> > > not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is

> > > knowing fear and Love.

> > >

> > > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he

> > > recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ?

> > > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always

> > > known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know

> > > what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you

> > > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...

> > >

> > > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the

> > > Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a

> > > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the

> > > individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and

> > > foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which knows

> > > about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,

> > > Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.

> > >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>,

> > " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > >

> > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to

> > > lose my marbles just yet!!

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> > > the body ages...

> > > >

> > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > > immediate needs of one own circle.

> > > >

> > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

> > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the

> > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

> > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > >

> > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

> > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

> > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> > > unperturbed by people or events...

> > > >

> > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > > >

> > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > > active participant.

> > > >

> > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > >

> > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar. .

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>,

> > chiranjiv mehta

> > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You said

> > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>

> > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> > > prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > > > >

> > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > > indicate some probability.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very

> > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of

> > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > >

> > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

> > > place.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.

> > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> > > thoughts of the other world do arise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> > > papers ready?.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> > > again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good

> > > -

> > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in

> > > case of

> > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> > > TRANSIT

> > > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH

> > > CHART

> > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> > > of judge

> > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > > (kantaka) from

> > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

> > > birth

> > > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

> > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 9, 2010

Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji,

Respected Sheevaniji - I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to earlier ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it.

As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the chaos, and then choose the thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread of life energy.

I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe mine is regression.

When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with some peers.

I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return to the innocence.

Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) -

On Fear - feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the source of fear.

Not feeling fear - absolutely - may have to do with ego. A little fear is good - it keeps you in line.

I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a situation.

Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is no fear even of death.

I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this.

We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!??

There is not much harm in taking the plunge.

Thanks & Regards

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM

Dear Bhaskar Ji,You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short

Regards,

-Manoj

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

Dear Manoj ji,We are ordinary people. I agree that "Yogis" come from us Ordinary folksonly. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth isjust a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actualJourney is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughouteternity.... ..But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted ourduties as a good "Grihastha ashram" Holder...best wishes,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kulbir Ji,>> I have a different take on this. Not

having an Ego should not beconfused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to FaceDeath, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAMEthat Fear through Bravery.>> Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOMEFEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/sheKNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.>>> -Manoj>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@. ..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure>>> Dear

Manoj ji,> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in ourconsciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearlessat the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears thedestruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//>> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just becauseof EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die(voluntary death).> Regards> Kulbir Bains.>>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > wrote:>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >>

>> >>> >> >>> >> >Dear Sheevani Ji,> >> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of"this tapestry called life on earth"> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. //> >> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as eventhe slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear ofDeath (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who haverelinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of theVehichle (Body) through which it operates.> >>> >Regards,> > -Manoj> >> >> >> >> >> >>

____________ _________ _________ __> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >> >> >Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> >Namaste.> >> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should startto lose my marbles just yet!!> >> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper asthe body ages...> >> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations andresponsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyondimmediate needs of one own circle.>

>> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it isexcellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trullyblooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... theworld seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full ofall kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind ofdivides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyoneseems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes onunperturbed by people or events...> >> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>

>> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than theactive participant.> >> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "thistapestry called life on earth"> >> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. .> >> >warmest regards> >Sheevani> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology@> > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> You said> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> >>>> >> Thanks & Regards> >>> >> Chiranjiv Mehta>

>>> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology> >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> >>> >>> >> Ãƒâ€š> >>>> >>> >>> >> Dear All,> >>> >> Namaste,> >>> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about> > death, seem flippant to you.> >>> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and deathprashna can give the death information more accurately.> >>> >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too thatindicate some

probability.> >>>> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as avery natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a differentlevel of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> >>> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >>>> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a betterplace.> >>> >> warmest regards> >> Sheevani> >>> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> >> >> > Namaste.> >> >> >> > Yes, i> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I wasjust

laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughtsof the other world do arise.> >> >> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus andmercury, Sun is also vargottama.> >>> >> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so iwas laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exitpapers ready?.> >> >> >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmicdebts are cleared during my Shani MD..> >>> >> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his roundsagain in pisces in 12 Years time..> >> >> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God thatprevails..> >> >> >>> > warmest regards> >> > Sheevani>

>> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,good -> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thusin case of> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about theTRANSIT> >> > > chart).> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at theDEATH CHART> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (doneof judge> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then theastrologer> >> >

> tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> >>> > > Love and regards,> >> > > Sreenadh> >> > >> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "Sheevani"> >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > > >> >> > > > Namaste,> >> > > >> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th(kantaka) from> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign andJupiter> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to bothbirth> >> > > and death]///> >> > > >> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!!

Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> >> > > >> >> > > > warmest regards> >> > > > Sheevani> >> > >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in..> > com/> >>> >> >>

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April 9, 2010

Dear Chiranjiv ji,

Namaste,

Thank you for your understanding and kind words

I am told that " you are crazy but in a pleasant way " and all I sense is the love

and acceptance behind those words.

Definately the " child in Me " has more scope now as the burden of responsiblities

are lessened.

I am grateful to God who has facilitated this change in me.

warmest regards

Sheevani

, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji,

>

> Respected Sheevaniji -Â I see that you are becoming younger by the day. This

return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as opposed to

earlierÂ ignorance which one experiences when living this age. You know what you

see in the true sense, yet because you know you are not part of it.

> As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world and the

chaos, and then choose theÂ thread which keeps it in order. This is the thread

of life energy.

> Â I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of age. Maybe

mine is regression.

> Â When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can discuss with

some peers.

> I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness " from

your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is byproduct of return

to the innocence.

> Â

> Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are both right.

I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said - and I read - ( pls get

the gist, may not be exact ) -

> On Fear -Â feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by understanding the

source of fear.

> Not feeling fear - absolutely -Â may haveÂ to do with ego. A little fear is

good - it keeps you in line.

> I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response to a

situation.

> Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of fear -

this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing. Then there is

no fear even of death.

> I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes in this.

> Â

> We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!??Â

> There is not much harm in taking the plunge.Â

> Â

> Thanks & Regards

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

> Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure

>

> Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji,

>

> You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a

true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short

>

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

>

> Â

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks

> only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .

>

> A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is

> just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual

> Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout

> eternity.... ..

>

> But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our

> duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder...

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> >

> > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be

> confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face

> Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME

> that Fear through Bravery.

> >

> > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME

> FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she

> KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ ..

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless

> at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

> destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> >

> > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

> of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> (voluntary death).

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >>

> > >

> > >>

> > >

> > >Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > >

> > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> " this tapestry called life on earth "

> > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar. //

> > >

> > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,

> since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the

> Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> > >>

> > >Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> > >

> > >Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > >

> > >Namaste.

> > >

> > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > >

> > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

> to lose my marbles just yet!!

> > >

> > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> the body ages...

> > >

> > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> immediate needs of one own circle.

> > >

> > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the

> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > >

> > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> unperturbed by people or events...

> > >

> > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > >

> > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> active participant.

> > >

> > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> tapestry called life on earth "

> > >

> > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar. .

> > >

> > >warmest regards

> > >Sheevani

> > >

> > >ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> You said

> > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared, does the mind exist?

> > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > >>>

> > >> Thanks & Regards

> > >>

> > >> Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >>

> > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > >>

> > >> Ãƒâ€š

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >> Dear All,

> > >>

> > >> Namaste,

> > >>

> > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about

> > > death, seem flippant to you.

> > >>

> > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > >>

> > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> indicate some probability.

> > >>>

> > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different

> level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > >>

> > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared, does the mind exist?

> > >>>

> > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

> place.

> > >>

> > >> warmest regards

> > >> Sheevani

> > >>

> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > >>> >

> > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >> >

> > >> > Namaste.

> > >> >

> > >> > Yes, i

> > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was

> just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts

> of the other world do arise.

> > >> >

> > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > >>> >

> > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> papers ready?.

> > >> >

> > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > >>> >

> > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > >> >

> > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> prevails..

> > >> >

> > >>> > warmest regards

> > >> > Sheevani

> > >> >

> > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> good -

> > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

> in case of

> > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> TRANSIT

> > >> > > chart).

> > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> DEATH CHART

> > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> of judge

> > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> astrologer

> > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > >>> > > Love and regards,

> > >> > > Sreenadh

> > >> > >

> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " Sheevani "

> > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Namaste,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> (kantaka) from

> > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> Jupiter

> > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

> birth

> > >> > > and death]///

> > >> > > >

> > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > warmest regards

> > >> > > > Sheevani

> > >> > >

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> Homepage. http://in..

> > > com/

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

>

April 9, 2010

Dear Shevaani ji,

What have you been told about me related to my craziness ? If it is good

then let me know. I also like to hear good things about me.

All does man reuire is a sweet word to keep him going.......

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Sheevani "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Chiranjiv ji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> Thank you for your understanding and kind words

>

> I am told that " you are crazy but in a pleasant way " and all I sense

is the love and acceptance behind those words.

>

> Definately the " child in Me " has more scope now as the burden of

responsiblities are lessened.

>

> I am grateful to God who has facilitated this change in me.

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , chiranjiv mehta

vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji,

> >

> > Respected Sheevaniji -Â I see that you are becoming younger by

the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as

opposed to earlierÂ ignorance which one experiences when living this

age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you

are not part of it.

> > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world

and the chaos, and then choose theÂ thread which keeps it in order.

This is the thread of life energy.

> > Â I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of

age. Maybe mine is regression.

> > Â When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can

discuss with some peers.

> > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness

" from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is

byproduct of return to the innocence.

> > Â

> > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are

both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said -

and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) -

> > On Fear -Â feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by

understanding the source of fear.

> > Not feeling fear - absolutely -Â may haveÂ to do with ego. A

little fear is good - it keeps you in line.

> > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response

to a situation.

> > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of

fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing.

Then there is no fear even of death.

> > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes

in this.

> > Â

> > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!??Â

> > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.Â

> > Â

> > Thanks & Regards

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> >

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> > Re: Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> >

> > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji,

> >

> > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family.

Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen

miserably short

> >

> > Â

> > Regards,

> > Â -Manoj

> > Â

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary

folks

> > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many

scales...... .

> >

> > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth

is

> > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual

> > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout

> > eternity.... ..

> >

> > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our

> > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder...

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> > >

> > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be

> > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to

Face

> > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they

OVERCAME

> > that Fear through Bravery.

> > >

> > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to

OVERCOME

> > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue

he/she

> > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > success/failure

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain

Fearless

> > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears

the

> > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> > >

> > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just

because

> > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> > (voluntary death).

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > > >

> > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> > " this tapestry called life on earth "

> > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma

blooms

> > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > caterpillar. //

> > > >

> > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as

even

> > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of

Death,

> > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the

> > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> > > >>

> > > >Regards,

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > success/failure

> > > >

> > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > >

> > > >Namaste.

> > > >

> > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > >

> > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should

start

> > to lose my marbles just yet!!

> > > >

> > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper

as

> > the body ages...

> > > >

> > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > immediate needs of one own circle.

> > > >

> > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so

it is

> > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

the

> > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

loss,

> > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > >

> > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full

of

> > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind

of

> > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are

weddings,

> > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> > unperturbed by people or events...

> > > >

> > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world

going?

> > > >

> > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > active participant.

> > > >

> > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

" this

> > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > >

> > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma

blooms

> > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > caterpillar. .

> > > >

> > > >warmest regards

> > > >Sheevani

> > > >

> > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> You said

> > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > >>>

> > > >> Thanks & Regards

> > > >>

> > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >>

> > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > success/failure

> > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > >>

> > > >> Ãƒâ€š

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear All,

> > > >>

> > > >> Namaste,

> > > >>

> > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about

> > > > death, seem flippant to you.

> > > >>

> > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and

death

> > prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > > >>

> > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too

that

> > indicate some probability.

> > > >>>

> > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different

> > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > >>

> > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > >>>

> > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

better

> > place.

> > > >>

> > > >> warmest regards

> > > >> Sheevani

> > > >>

> > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>> >

> > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Namaste.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Yes, i

> > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I

was

> > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

thoughts

> > of the other world do arise.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > >>> >

> > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010,

so i

> > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit

> > papers ready?.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all

karmic

> > debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > >>> >

> > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his

rounds

> > again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> > prevails..

> > > >> >

> > > >>> > warmest regards

> > > >> > Sheevani

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> > good -

> > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally,

such a

> > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH

(Thus

> > in case of

> > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about

the

> > TRANSIT

> > > >> > > chart).

> > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> > DEATH CHART

> > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART

(done

> > of judge

> > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then

the

> > astrologer

> > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha

Gati " .

> > > >>> > > Love and regards,

> > > >> > > Sreenadh

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " Sheevani "

> > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Namaste,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > (kantaka) from

> > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > Jupiter

> > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

both

> > birth

> > > >> > > and death]///

> > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H

too.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > warmest regards

> > > >> > > > Sheevani

> > > >> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>

> > > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> > Homepage. http://in..

> > > > com/

> > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

> >

>

April 9, 2010

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Namaste,

Your heart is a treasure trove, yet your words blow hot and cold,

You feel others pain yet you are nobody's fool.

Just be comfortable with who are, and then you gradually will accept yourself.

Compassion comes from within and radiates outwards.

warmest regards

Sheevani

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shevaani ji,

>

> What have you been told about me related to my craziness ? If it is good

> then let me know. I also like to hear good things about me.

>

> All does man reuire is a sweet word to keep him going.......

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , " Sheevani "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Thank you for your understanding and kind words

> >

> > I am told that " you are crazy but in a pleasant way " and all I sense

> is the love and acceptance behind those words.

> >

> > Definately the " child in Me " has more scope now as the burden of

> responsiblities are lessened.

> >

> > I am grateful to God who has facilitated this change in me.

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , chiranjiv mehta

> vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sheevaniji, Manoj Chandranji, Bhaskarji and Kulbirji,

> > >

> > > Respected Sheevaniji -Â I see that you are becoming younger by

> the day. This return to the roots is giving you back your innocence - as

> opposed to earlierÂ ignorance which one experiences when living this

> age. You know what you see in the true sense, yet because you know you

> are not part of it.

> > > As you LOSE your mind you become aware of the divisions of the world

> and the chaos, and then choose theÂ thread which keeps it in order.

> This is the thread of life energy.

> > > Â I too am feeling the same and currently feel I am 8/10 years of

> age. Maybe mine is regression.

> > > Â When you reach this age please do let me know so that I can

> discuss with some peers.

> > > I am sure you must be receiving compliments on your " youthfullness

> " from your same aged people. Please accept mine too. I guess it is

> byproduct of return to the innocence.

> > > Â

> > > Now for the rest of my respected Gurus - Kulbirji and Manojji are

> both right. I will try to repeat what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has said -

> and I read - ( pls get the gist, may not be exact ) -

> > > On Fear -Â feeling fear is natural. Fear is surmounted by

> understanding the source of fear.

> > > Not feeling fear - absolutely -Â may haveÂ to do with ego. A

> little fear is good - it keeps you in line.

> > > I feel he is right as he is talking about our conditioned response

> to a situation.

> > > Whan he says that we can surmount it by understanding the source of

> fear - this type of understanding comes when the ego starts diminishing.

> Then there is no fear even of death.

> > > I am sure Kulbirji and Manoj ji will find echo of both their takes

> in this.

> > > Â

> > > We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!??Â

> > > There is not much harm in taking the plunge.Â

> > > Â

> > > Thanks & Regards

> > >

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> > > Re: Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> > >

> > > Friday, 9 April, 2010, 6:29 AM

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji,

> > >

> > > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family.

> Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen

> miserably short

> > >

> > > Â

> > > Regards,

> > > Â -Manoj

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> > >

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > >

> > > We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary

> folks

> > > only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many

> scales...... .

> > >

> > > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth

> is

> > > just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual

> > > Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout

> > > eternity.... ..

> > >

> > > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our

> > > duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder...

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be

> > > confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to

> Face

> > > Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they

> OVERCAME

> > > that Fear through Bravery.

> > > >

> > > > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to

> OVERCOME

> > > FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue

> he/she

> > > KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.

> > > >

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ ..

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> > > Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain

> Fearless

> > > at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears

> the

> > > destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> > > >

> > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just

> because

> > > of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> > > (voluntary death).

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> > > " this tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma

> blooms

> > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar. //

> > > > >

> > > > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as

> even

> > > the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> > > Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> > > relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of

> Death,

> > > since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the

> > > Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> > > > >>

> > > > >Regards,

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > > >

> > > > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should

> start

> > > to lose my marbles just yet!!

> > > > >

> > > > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper

> as

> > > the body ages...

> > > > >

> > > > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > > immediate needs of one own circle.

> > > > >

> > > > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so

> it is

> > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

> the

> > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

> loss,

> > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > > >

> > > > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full

> of

> > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind

> of

> > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are

> weddings,

> > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> > > unperturbed by people or events...

> > > > >

> > > > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world

> going?

> > > > >

> > > > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > > active participant.

> > > > >

> > > > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> " this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > >

> > > > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma

> blooms

> > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar. .

> > > > >

> > > > >warmest regards

> > > > >Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> You said

> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> Thanks & Regards

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > >>

> > > > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Ãƒâ€š

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Dear All,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Namaste,

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about

> > > > > death, seem flippant to you.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and

> death

> > > prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too

> that

> > > indicate some probability.

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> > > very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different

> > > level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > >>>

> > > > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

> better

> > > place.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> warmest regards

> > > > >> Sheevani

> > > > >>

> > > > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Namaste.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Yes, i

> > > > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I

> was

> > > just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> thoughts

> > > of the other world do arise.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010,

> so i

> > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

> exit

> > > papers ready?.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all

> karmic

> > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his

> rounds

> > > again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> > > prevails..

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>> > warmest regards

> > > > >> > Sheevani

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> > > good -

> > > > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally,

> such a

> > > > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH

> (Thus

> > > in case of

> > > > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about

> the

> > > TRANSIT

> > > > >> > > chart).

> > > > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> > > DEATH CHART

> > > > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART

> (done

> > > of judge

> > > > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then

> the

> > > astrologer

> > > > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha

> Gati " .

> > > > >>> > > Love and regards,

> > > > >> > > Sreenadh

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > > " Sheevani "

> > > > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Namaste,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > > (kantaka) from

> > > > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

> both

> > > birth

> > > > >> > > and death]///

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H

> too.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > warmest regards

> > > > >> > > > Sheevani

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>

> > > > >>>

> > > > >>

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April 9, 2010

Manoj Sir ji,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txLY4NM_47oRegardsKDB

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

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Spirituality. Which path to adopt and which to leave. Which Guru to adopt and whom to reject as a guru. Harivansh Rai Bachhan gave the solution " raah pakar too ek chala chal, pa jayega madhushala " (select one path and then keep tredging it with patience and finally you reach your end, your goal (if that is the goal)...

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One who has read all the scriptures and have understood the essence of that and one who has risen above all the doctrines of life scripted by various faiths and religions, one who has escaped from the clutches of rituals prescribed by all practitioners of faith only can reach that " madhu (honey) shala (land) "

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It all depends on how one perceives the things. One can perceive this madhushala of Bachhan as a modern day " BAR " or one can also perceive this Madhushala as a place where one is bereft of all worries of life and reaches the end becoming a " mouji " .

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Mouj lo.....

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Manoj Kumar <mouji99

Fri, April 9, 2010 11:23:06 AMRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure

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Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....

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after me.....

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after me.....

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when i am not there then why fear.....

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Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

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That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " ....

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Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death too)....

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just some random thoughts....

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Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>ancient_indian_ astrology

Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failureÂ

Dear Bhaskar ji,Namaste,Agreed! " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, " ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " )warmest regardsSheevani

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>>

> //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this> tapestry> called life on earth " //> > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life "

> ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God> lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because> all of us are in fact - enjoying living .

> > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual

mind is> not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is> knowing fear and Love.> > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he> recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ?

> Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always> known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know> what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you

> shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...> > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the> Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a

> singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the> individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and> foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the

mind which knows> about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,> Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.> > rgrds/Bhaskar.>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > Namaste.> >> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to

> lose my marbles just yet!!> >> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> the body ages...> >> > I feel in youth, one has so many

commitments, expectations and> responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond> immediate needs of one own circle.> >> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> seems to be in

such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on> unperturbed by people or events...> >> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> active participant.> >> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this> tapestry called life on earth " > >> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. .> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

>

vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > You said> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > >

> > > Sheevani sheevani147@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > >> > >> > >

Ã‚> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > >> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > >> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> indicate some probability.> > >> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > >> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >> > > The atma moves on to

its next destination, hopefully it is a better> place.> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste.> > > >> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.

> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably> thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > >> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > > >> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit> papers ready?.> > > >> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > >> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > >> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani

> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good> -> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >

> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in> case of> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> TRANSIT> > > > > chart).

> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH> CHART> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> of judge> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> astrologer> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> (kantaka) from> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> Jupiter> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both> birth

> > > > > and death]///> > > > > >> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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April 9, 2010

Dear Chiranjiv ji, I have absolutely no objection if you want to address me as Guru but Kindly(I INSIST) add Ghantaal to it. So next time, let it be Guru Ghantaal.//We are sometimes reluctant to let go - reluctant yogis !!??

There is not much harm in taking the plunge.// " He who hesitates is lost " BUT " Look before you leap. " I think By now Sheevani ji must have realized that DE He SHIVA.. by Guru Gobind Singh Ji has not been included in the present day compilation of Gurru Granth Sahib.

RegardsKDB.On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:08 PM, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: