spritual practise success/failure

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Possessions, desires and duties form our bonds of attachment to the world. Though they are important to live a meaningful life, they also create chains and shackles when there is time to leave. Who would want to embrace the unknown leaving everything he has loved so dearly, behind.

Nonetheless, I feel that the extent to which one may fear death also depends on the society one belongs to, and the samskarams one receives. Amongst Hindu’s who are brought up on the staple diet of Geeta, death is much more acceptable and not feared. Similarly Jains who think of death as a celebration are generally more prepared for it.

West, on the other hand, is choked with the fear of death. Middle ages in Europe specially instilled this morbid fear to get people’s attention to church. There is absolute phobia about dying. Ageism is a big issue in the West.

And imagine, a major worry in the West is also cost of their own funeral for which arrangements have to be made before leaving. In India, one prays and must bear a son so that he may die in peace! (in lighter vein)

Just some random thoughts;;;RegardsNeelamOn 8 April 2010 18:32, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

Namaste.

 

" Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron "

 

(grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds)

 

From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi before engaging in any warfare activity..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in

> India....

>

>

> , Kulbir Bains

> <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> Only

> > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at

> the

> > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

> destruction

> > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> >

> > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

> of

> > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> (voluntary

> > death).

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran

> chandran_manoj:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > >

> > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> " this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into

> > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar.

> > > //

> > >

> > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> the

> > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> Death (at

> > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> relinquished all

> > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the

> Fear is one

> > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)

> through which

> > > it operates.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > *To:*

> > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > >

> > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

> to lose

> > > my marbles just yet!!

> > >

> > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> the

> > > body ages...

> > >

> > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> immediate

> > > needs of one own circle.

> > >

> > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

> is

> > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

> the

> > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

> loss, not

> > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > >

> > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> all

> > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> personalities, the

> > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race,

> colour,

> > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also

> funerals,

> > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such

> hurry,, but

> > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

> > >

> > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > >

> > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> active

> > > participant.

> > >

> > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > >

> > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into

> > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar.

> > > .

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com<%40>,

> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You said

> > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared,

> > > does the mind exist?

> > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com<%40>

> > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> prashna

> > > can give the death information more accurately.

> > > >

> > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > > indicate some probability.

> > > >

> > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> very

> > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

> of

> > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > >

> > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared,

> > > does the mind exist?

> > > >

> > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

> better

> > > place.

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

> combinations. I

> > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> thoughts

> > > of the other world do arise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> mercury, Sun

> > > is also vargottama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> was

> > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> papers

> > > ready?.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> debts

> > > are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > >

> > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> again in

> > > pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > >

> > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> prevails..

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> good -

> > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

> in case

> > > of

> > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> TRANSIT

> > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> DEATH

> > > CHART

> > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> of

> > > judge

> > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> (kantaka)

> > > from

> > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> Jupiter

> > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

> both birth

> > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> Homepage. http://in..

> > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Chandi Charitar Ukat Bilas by Guru Gobind singh ji;De hey Shiva var mohey ehayShubh karman te kabhon na taron.Na daron ar siyon jab jaye laron nishchay kar apni jeet karon.

Ar Sikh hon apne hi mann ko eh lalach han gun ton ochron.Jab aav ki audh nidhan baneyAt hi run mein tab joojh maron. " O God of power, bless me  this endowment,That nothing deters me from gracious and righteous deeds.

And when fight I must, I fight for sure to victory with determination.That I am instructed in wisdom only by my higher mind,That I crave ever to utter thy praise.When comes the end of my life,

I die fighting in the thickof a righteous war with limitless courage " On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

Namaste.

 

" Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron "

 

(grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds)

 

From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi before engaging in any warfare activity..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

>

> Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in

> India....

>

>

> , Kulbir Bains

> <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> Only

> > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at

> the

> > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

> destruction

> > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> >

> > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

> of

> > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> (voluntary

> > death).

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran

> chandran_manoj:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > >

> > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> " this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into

> > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar.

> > > //

> > >

> > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> the

> > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> Death (at

> > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> relinquished all

> > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the

> Fear is one

> > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)

> through which

> > > it operates.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > *To:*

> > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > >

> > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

> to lose

> > > my marbles just yet!!

> > >

> > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> the

> > > body ages...

> > >

> > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> immediate

> > > needs of one own circle.

> > >

> > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

> is

> > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

> the

> > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

> loss, not

> > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > >

> > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> all

> > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> personalities, the

> > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race,

> colour,

> > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also

> funerals,

> > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such

> hurry,, but

> > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

> > >

> > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > >

> > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> active

> > > participant.

> > >

> > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > >

> > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into

> > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar.

> > > .

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com<%40>,

> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > You said

> > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared,

> > > does the mind exist?

> > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com<%40>

> > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > >

> > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> prashna

> > > can give the death information more accurately.

> > > >

> > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > > indicate some probability.

> > > >

> > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> very

> > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

> of

> > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > >

> > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared,

> > > does the mind exist?

> > > >

> > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

> better

> > > place.

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

> combinations. I

> > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> thoughts

> > > of the other world do arise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> mercury, Sun

> > > is also vargottama.

> > > > >

> > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> was

> > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> papers

> > > ready?.

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> debts

> > > are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > >

> > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> again in

> > > pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > >

> > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> prevails..

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> good -

> > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

> in case

> > > of

> > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> TRANSIT

> > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> DEATH

> > > CHART

> > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> of

> > > judge

> > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> (kantaka)

> > > from

> > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> Jupiter

> > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

> both birth

> > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> Homepage. http://in..

> > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

namaste,

 

Essentially I do agree with you.

 

In the West, funeral costs are a great worry, and many older folk have insurance

policies specifically to cover funeral costs. Funeral costs can range from 5,000

-10,000 Pounds in UK, depanding on location as well as type of

coffins/decorations/flowers/number of cars etc. Open air cremations are not

allowed, and the care/storage of dead bodies remain with the funeral directors,

who will allow access to the body whenever requested. For burials, there is

added cost of purchasing the plot of land.

 

Most westerners especially ethnic white folk end up in the pub after the funeral

to drink to the deceased and bid him " bon voyage " They dont beleieve in fixed

grieving periods. The kids are back at work the following day after the funeral.

 

I think issues like " quality of life " prior death also influences his/her mental

readiness..

 

For some there is the suddenness of the event, and for others it a longer more

painful journey through pain, disease and loss of dignity due to dependancy on

others, for basic needs of care and sustenence.

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Possessions, desires and duties form our bonds of attachment to the world.

> Though they are important to live a meaningful life, they also create chains

> and shackles when there is time to leave. Who would want to embrace the

> unknown leaving everything he has loved so dearly, behind.

>

> Nonetheless, I feel that the extent to which one may fear death also depends

> on the society one belongs to, and the samskarams one receives. Amongst

> Hindu's who are brought up on the staple diet of Geeta, death is much more

> acceptable and not feared. Similarly Jains who think of death as a

> celebration are generally more prepared for it.

>

> West, on the other hand, is choked with the fear of death. Middle ages in

> Europe specially instilled this morbid fear to get people's attention to

> church. There is absolute phobia about dying. Ageism is a big issue in the

> West.

>

> And imagine, a major worry in the West is also cost of their own funeral for

> which arrangements have to be made before leaving. In India, one prays and

> must bear a son so that he may die in peace! (in lighter vein)

>

> Just some random thoughts;;;

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> On 8 April 2010 18:32, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > " Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron "

> >

> > (grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds)

> >

> > From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi

> > before engaging in any warfare activity..

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in

> > > India....

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > Kulbir Bains

> > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> > > Only

> > > > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at

> > > the

> > > > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

> > > destruction

> > > > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> > > >

> > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

> > > of

> > > > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> > > (voluntary

> > > > death).

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran

> > > chandran_manoj@:

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> > > " this

> > > > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into

> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar.

> > > > > //

> > > > >

> > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> > > the

> > > > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> > > Death (at

> > > > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> > > relinquished all

> > > > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the

> > > Fear is one

> > > > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)

> > > through which

> > > > > it operates.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > > > *To:*

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > > > > success/failure

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > > >

> > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

> > > to lose

> > > > > my marbles just yet!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> > > the

> > > > > body ages...

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > > immediate

> > > > > needs of one own circle.

> > > > >

> > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

> > > is

> > > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

> > > the

> > > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

> > > loss, not

> > > > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> > > all

> > > > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > personalities, the

> > > > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race,

> > > colour,

> > > > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also

> > > funerals,

> > > > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such

> > > hurry,, but

> > > > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > > > >

> > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > > active

> > > > > participant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into

> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar.

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<%40>,

> > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said

> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared,

> > > > > does the mind exist?

> > > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > > > success/failure

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<%40>

> > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> > > prashna

> > > > > can give the death information more accurately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > > > > indicate some probability.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> > > very

> > > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

> > > of

> > > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared,

> > > > > does the mind exist?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

> > > better

> > > > > place.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

> > > combinations. I

> > > > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> > > thoughts

> > > > > of the other world do arise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > > mercury, Sun

> > > > > is also vargottama.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> > > was

> > > > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> > > papers

> > > > > ready?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> > > debts

> > > > > are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> > > again in

> > > > > pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> > > prevails..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> > > good -

> > > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

> > > in case

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> > > TRANSIT

> > > > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> > > DEATH

> > > > > CHART

> > > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> > > of

> > > > > judge

> > > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > > (kantaka)

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

> > > both birth

> > > > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> > > Homepage. http://in..

> > > > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir ji,

 

namaste..

 

Thank you, that is just beautiful.. the inspirations of a true Sikh..duty to

righteous actions.

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

wrote:

>

> Chandi Charitar Ukat Bilas by Guru Gobind singh ji;

>

> De hey Shiva var mohey ehay

>

> Shubh karman te kabhon na taron.

>

> Na daron ar siyon jab jaye laron nishchay kar apni jeet karon.

>

> Ar Sikh hon apne hi mann ko eh lalach han gun ton ochron.

>

> Jab aav ki audh nidhan baney

>

> At hi run mein tab joojh maron. "

>

> O God of power, bless me this endowment,

>

> That nothing deters me from gracious and righteous deeds.

>

> And when fight I must, I fight for sure to victory with determination.

>

> That I am instructed in wisdom only by my higher mind,

>

> That I crave ever to utter thy praise.

>

> When comes the end of my life,

>

> I die fighting in the thickof a righteous war with limitless courage "

>

>

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > " Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron "

> >

> > (grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds)

> >

> > From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi

> > before engaging in any warfare activity..

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in

> > > India....

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > Kulbir Bains

> > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> > > Only

> > > > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at

> > > the

> > > > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

> > > destruction

> > > > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> > > >

> > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

> > > of

> > > > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> > > (voluntary

> > > > death).

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran

> > > chandran_manoj@:

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> > > " this

> > > > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into

> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar.

> > > > > //

> > > > >

> > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> > > the

> > > > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> > > Death (at

> > > > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> > > relinquished all

> > > > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the

> > > Fear is one

> > > > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)

> > > through which

> > > > > it operates.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > > > *To:*

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > > > > success/failure

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > > >

> > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

> > > to lose

> > > > > my marbles just yet!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> > > the

> > > > > body ages...

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > > immediate

> > > > > needs of one own circle.

> > > > >

> > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

> > > is

> > > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

> > > the

> > > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

> > > loss, not

> > > > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> > > all

> > > > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > personalities, the

> > > > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race,

> > > colour,

> > > > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also

> > > funerals,

> > > > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such

> > > hurry,, but

> > > > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > > > >

> > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > > active

> > > > > participant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into

> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar.

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<%40>,

> > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said

> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared,

> > > > > does the mind exist?

> > > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > > > success/failure

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<%40>

> > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> > > prashna

> > > > > can give the death information more accurately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > > > > indicate some probability.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> > > very

> > > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

> > > of

> > > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared,

> > > > > does the mind exist?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

> > > better

> > > > > place.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

> > > combinations. I

> > > > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> > > thoughts

> > > > > of the other world do arise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > > mercury, Sun

> > > > > is also vargottama.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> > > was

> > > > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> > > papers

> > > > > ready?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> > > debts

> > > > > are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> > > again in

> > > > > pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> > > prevails..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> > > good -

> > > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

> > > in case

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> > > TRANSIT

> > > > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> > > DEATH

> > > > > CHART

> > > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> > > of

> > > > > judge

> > > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > > (kantaka)

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

> > > both birth

> > > > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> > > Homepage. http://in..

> > > > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well Sheevani ji, it does add to a dying man's woes!RegardsNeelamOn 8 April 2010 20:15, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

 

namaste,

 

Essentially I do agree with you.

 

In the West, funeral costs are a great worry, and many older folk have insurance policies specifically to cover funeral costs. Funeral costs can range from 5,000 -10,000 Pounds in UK, depanding on location as well as type of coffins/decorations/flowers/number of cars etc. Open air cremations are not allowed, and the care/storage of dead bodies remain with the funeral directors, who will allow access to the body whenever requested. For burials, there is added cost of purchasing the plot of land.

 

Most westerners especially ethnic white folk end up in the pub after the funeral to drink to the deceased and bid him " bon voyage " They dont beleieve in fixed grieving periods. The kids are back at work the following day after the funeral.

 

I think issues like " quality of life " prior death also influences his/her mental readiness..

 

For some there is the suddenness of the event, and for others it a longer more painful journey through pain, disease and loss of dignity due to dependancy on others, for basic needs of care and sustenence.

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Possessions, desires and duties form our bonds of attachment to the world.

> Though they are important to live a meaningful life, they also create chains

> and shackles when there is time to leave. Who would want to embrace the

> unknown leaving everything he has loved so dearly, behind.

>

> Nonetheless, I feel that the extent to which one may fear death also depends

> on the society one belongs to, and the samskarams one receives. Amongst

> Hindu's who are brought up on the staple diet of Geeta, death is much more

> acceptable and not feared. Similarly Jains who think of death as a

> celebration are generally more prepared for it.

>

> West, on the other hand, is choked with the fear of death. Middle ages in

> Europe specially instilled this morbid fear to get people's attention to

> church. There is absolute phobia about dying. Ageism is a big issue in the

> West.

>

> And imagine, a major worry in the West is also cost of their own funeral for

> which arrangements have to be made before leaving. In India, one prays and

> must bear a son so that he may die in peace! (in lighter vein)

>

> Just some random thoughts;;;

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> On 8 April 2010 18:32, Sheevani <sheevani147 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > " Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron "

> >

> > (grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds)

> >

> > From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi

> > before engaging in any warfare activity..

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> >

> > <%40>,

 

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in

> > > India....

> > >

> > >

> > > <%40>,

 

> > Kulbir Bains

> > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

> > > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

> > > Only

> > > > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at

> > > the

> > > > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

> > > destruction

> > > > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

> > > >

> > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

> > > of

> > > > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

> > > (voluntary

> > > > death).

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran

> > > chandran_manoj@:

> >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> > > " this

> > > > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into

> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar.

> > > > > //

> > > > >

> > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> > > the

> > > > > slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> > > Death (at

> > > > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> > > relinquished all

> > > > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the

> > > Fear is one

> > > > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)

> > > through which

> > > > > it operates.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > > > *To:* <%40>

 

> > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > > > > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > > > > success/failure

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste.

> > > > >

> > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > > >

> > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

> > > to lose

> > > > > my marbles just yet!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> > > the

> > > > > body ages...

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > > immediate

> > > > > needs of one own circle.

> > > > >

> > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

> > > is

> > > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> > > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

> > > the

> > > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

> > > loss, not

> > > > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > > >

> > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> > > all

> > > > > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > personalities, the

> > > > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race,

> > > colour,

> > > > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also

> > > funerals,

> > > > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such

> > > hurry,, but

> > > > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> > > > >

> > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > > active

> > > > > participant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> > > > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > > >

> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> > > into

> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> > > caterpillar.

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<%40>,

> > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You said

> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared,

> > > > > does the mind exist?

> > > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > > > success/failure

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com<%40>

> > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> > > prashna

> > > > > can give the death information more accurately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> > > > > indicate some probability.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

> > > very

> > > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

> > > of

> > > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> > > discared,

> > > > > does the mind exist?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

> > > better

> > > > > place.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

> > > combinations. I

> > > > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> > > thoughts

> > > > > of the other world do arise.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > > mercury, Sun

> > > > > is also vargottama.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> > > was

> > > > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

> > > papers

> > > > > ready?.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> > > debts

> > > > > are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> > > again in

> > > > > pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

> > > prevails..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

> > > good -

> > > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

> > > in case

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> > > TRANSIT

> > > > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

> > > DEATH

> > > > > CHART

> > > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> > > of

> > > > > judge

> > > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > > (kantaka)

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

> > > both birth

> > > > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

> > > Homepage. http://in..

> > > > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir Ji,I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME that Fear through Bravery.Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body. -Manoj Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AMRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,// As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die (voluntary death).

RegardsKulbir Bains.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sheevani Ji,

 

// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this tapestry called life on earth"For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. //

 

Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>ancient_indian_ astrology

Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

Dear Chiranjiv ji,Namaste.///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose my marbles just yet!!Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body ages...

I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond immediate needs of one own circle.With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active participant.Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this tapestry called life on earth"

For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. .warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:>> You said> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist? > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > Thanks & Regards> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > > Â

> > > > Dear All,> > Namaste,> > I am sorry if my remmarks about

death, seem flippant to you. > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate some probability.

> > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared, does the mind exist?

> > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place.> > warmest regards> Sheevani> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani" <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > Namaste.> > > > Yes, i

do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers ready?.> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> >

> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good -> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case of> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT> > > chart).> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART

> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of judge> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the astrologer> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".

> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"Sheevani"> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka) from

> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth> > > and death]///> > > >

> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > >> >> >

> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in..

com/>

[Guest guest]

The crux I think is about the sense of fulfillment and completeness. Fulfillment of Responsibility or richness of experience or having seen the pleasures or having contributed to the family or society, each of these is an aspect. Having tread on the path to achieving a goal bigger than the body, is what brings that completeness. And lack of that completeness is what makes man crave to live longer. Here is a piece on completeness, excerpted from one of my old articles:

For this we need to see what man seeks in life. He

seeks happiness. Then the question is what brings happiness. It is completeness

that brings happiness. There is a vast landscape of incompleteness in man. The

more successful he is in fulfilling it and achieving completeness, the happier

he is. There are different ways to achieve completeness. Most wise people say

that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to

achieve this completeness. It is aimlessness that causes incompleteness to grow

and it is goal that fills in that incompleteness.

 

Having said this, it is really

rare to find in a society someone who has such goal and spends his life for it.

Most people have aims, ambitions, passions, fancies, principles, dreams,

visions, but a goal of the kind that offers such a fulfillment is rare to find

in men.

 

There are many constructs man

creates to offer completeness – the biggest of them is God. A definition for

God/Divinity is “the belief that offers completeness to manâ€. This is not a

qualitative definition for God but a teleological definition. At higher levels

it is not a belief but a living presence with which he needs no other circle or

society to offer him anything except his basic physical needs (sometimes not

even that). The more a man gets absorbed into it, the more complete he gets and

the less is the need for him to seek, create or move within circles. This way,

aloofness is brought about by a kind of completeness in man.

 

But there is dichotomy in

aloofness – one who has not begun the journey for completeness and still has to

feel the need for circles and create them and the one who has journeyed through

it and finally grew above it by achieving completeness from within.

 

Thus during his journey he

creates and sustains many levels of collectivities – this phase is called

pravritti. In pravritti marga man synthesizes and sustains the society. Then he

locates the space within him where he can attain completeness – then he starts

nivritti. That is, he withdraws into himself.

 

There are many other ways man can

achieve completeness – art forms, research, social activity – in short any kind

of synthesis. Synthesis brings completeness. In traditional language one

transcends annamaya, pranamaya and manomaya kosas with synthetic activity and

lives in vijnanamaya kosa. He then moves further in, to anandamaya kosa and

within that to achieve total completeness. But in this stage of transcendence

he does things that do not relate to the subject of his synthetic activity. For

instance, a scientist stops speaking about laws of science and starts dwelling

in philosophy. An artist no more thinks of skill but only expresses his deepest

experiences. A social activist no more represents his community or cause or

principle but becomes instrument in the universal cause. In this stage he does

continue to synthesize but it is entirely different both in content and quality

from what he does earlier. This is the highest form of synthesis and offers the

highest fulfillment for man’s life.

 

The dependence a man has with

collectivity begins as he steps into pravritti, grows with it, and starts coming

down when he starts nivritti. As he completes nivritti he has nothing to do

with any kind of collectivity – family, community, society or nation.

Shankar

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar Ji,The EGO Iam talking about is not Pride but the inference that most of us have, that "we are the Body". So, what I meant to say was, as long as we are in "Body Conciousness" we will have "Fear of losing our bodies". -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotishTo:

Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:30:23 AM Re: spritual practise success/failure

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just

little)

 

Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to

the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as

to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,

yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would

look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for

his family members and make them content and become content himself in

the process....

 

I can give more such examples.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani Ji,

>

> // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

"this tapestry called life on earth"

> For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. //

>

> Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of

Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of

the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sheevani sheevani147@ ...

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

>

> Â

> Dear Chiranjiv ji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

>

> Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to

lose my marbles just yet!!

>

> Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

the body ages...

>

> I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond

immediate needs of one own circle.

>

> With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is

excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the

world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

>

> U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

unperturbed by people or events...

>

> What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

>

> Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

active participant.

>

> Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this

tapestry called life on earth"

>

> For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. .

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > You said

> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> >

> > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> >

> > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

indicate some probability.

> >

> > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very

natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of

conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> >

> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> >

> > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

place.

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"

<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.

I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

thoughts of the other world do arise.

> > >

> > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > >

> > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

papers ready?.

> > >

> > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > >

> > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > >

> > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"

<sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good

-

> > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in

case of

> > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

TRANSIT

> > > > chart).

> > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH

CHART

> > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

of judge

> > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

astrologer

> > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"

> > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

(kantaka) from

> > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

Jupiter

> > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

birth

> > > > and death]///

> > > > >

> > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj ji,

 

I had a great doubt that you are really talking about " Body

Consciousness " part...

 

But I want to talk practical.. No human being has a right to think on

these terms and disassociate himself from the " Body Consciousness "

unless he has successfully delivered his duties which he was assigned

to, in his Birth as per his own scale of measurements (As Sheevaniji

mentioned and which I too meant but could not explain due to posting

hurriedly)....

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji,

>

> The EGO Iam talking about is not Pride but the inference that most of

us have, that " we are the Body " . So, what I meant to say was, as long as

we are in " Body Conciousness " we will have " Fear of losing our bodies " .

>

>

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Thu, April 8, 2010 6:30:23 AM

> Re: spritual practise

success/failure

>

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

>

> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just

> little)

>

> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties

to

> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled

as

> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,

> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he

would

> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something

for

> his family members and make them content and become content himself in

> the process....

>

> I can give more such examples.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sheevani Ji,

> >

> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

> " this tapestry called life on earth "

> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar. //

> >

> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of

> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction

of

> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> > Â

> > Regards,

> > Â -Manoj

> > Â

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> >

> > Â

> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> >

> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

to

> lose my marbles just yet!!

> >

> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

> the body ages...

> >

> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> immediate needs of one own circle.

> >

> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

is

> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

the

> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> >

> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are

weddings,

> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> unperturbed by people or events...

> >

> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> >

> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> active participant.

> >

> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

> tapestry called life on earth "

> >

> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

> caterpillar. .

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > You said

> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared, does the mind exist?

> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards

> > >

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> success/failure

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > >

> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

> prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > >

> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> indicate some probability.

> > >

> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

very

> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

of

> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > >

> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

> discared, does the mind exist?

> > >

> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

better

> place.

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

combinations.

> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

> thoughts of the other world do arise.

> > > >

> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > >

> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit

> papers ready?.

> > > >

> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > >

> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > >

> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

prevails..

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

good

> -

> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

in

> case of

> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

> TRANSIT

> > > > > chart).

> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

DEATH

> CHART

> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

> of judge

> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> astrologer

> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> (kantaka) from

> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> Jupiter

> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

both

> birth

> > > > > and death]///

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage.

> http://in.. com/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj ji,

 

We are ordinary people. I agree that " Yogis " come from us Ordinary folks

only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales.......

 

A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is

just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual

Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout

eternity......

 

But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our

duties as a good " Grihastha ashram " Holder...

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

>

> I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be

confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face

Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME

that Fear through Bravery.

>

> Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME

FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she

KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.

>

>

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb

>

> Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM

> Re: Re: spritual practise

success/failure

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless

at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

>

> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

(voluntary death).

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >Dear Sheevani Ji,

> >

> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

" this tapestry called life on earth "

> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. //

> >

> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,

since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the

Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> >>

> >Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ________________________________

> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> >

> >

> >Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> >

> >Namaste.

> >

> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> >

> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

to lose my marbles just yet!!

> >

> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

the body ages...

> >

> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

immediate needs of one own circle.

> >

> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the

world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> >

> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

unperturbed by people or events...

> >

> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> >

> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

active participant.

> >

> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

tapestry called life on earth "

> >

> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. .

> >

> >warmest regards

> >Sheevani

> >

> >ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> You said

> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> >>>

> >> Thanks & Regards

> >>

> >> Chiranjiv Mehta

> >>

> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> >>

> >>

> >> Â

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear All,

> >>

> >> Namaste,

> >>

> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about

> > death, seem flippant to you.

> >>

> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> >>

> >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

indicate some probability.

> >>>

> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different

level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> >>

> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> >>>

> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

place.

> >>

> >> warmest regards

> >> Sheevani

> >>

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >>> >

> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >> >

> >> > Namaste.

> >> >

> >> > Yes, i

> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was

just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts

of the other world do arise.

> >> >

> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> >>> >

> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

papers ready?.

> >> >

> >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> >>> >

> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> >> >

> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

prevails..

> >> >

> >>> > warmest regards

> >> > Sheevani

> >> >

> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Shivani ji,

> >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

good -

> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

in case of

> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

TRANSIT

> >> > > chart).

> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

DEATH CHART

> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

of judge

> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

astrologer

> >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> >>> > > Love and regards,

> >> > > Sreenadh

> >> > >

> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Sheevani "

> >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Namaste,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

(kantaka) from

> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

Jupiter

> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

birth

> >> > > and death]///

> >> > > >

> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > warmest regards

> >> > > > Sheevani

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in..

> > com/

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Friends,

 

Jupiter entering Pisces. Showing its colors early. everyone talking of spirituality.

 

regds

Dev--- On Thu, 4/8/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Thursday, April 8, 2010, 7:23 PM

Well Sheevani ji, it does add to a dying man's woes!

 

RegardsNeelam

 

On 8 April 2010 20:15, Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,namaste,Essentially I do agree with you.In the West, funeral costs are a great worry, and many older folk have insurance policies specifically to cover funeral costs. Funeral costs can range from 5,000 -10,000 Pounds in UK, depanding on location as well as type of coffins/decorations /flowers/ number of cars etc. Open air cremations are not allowed, and the care/storage of dead bodies remain with the funeral directors, who will allow access to the body whenever requested. For burials, there is added cost of purchasing the plot of land.Most westerners especially ethnic white folk end up in the pub after the funeral to drink to the deceased and bid him "bon voyage" They dont beleieve in fixed grieving periods. The kids are back at work the following day after the funeral.I think issues like "quality of life" prior death also influences his/her mental readiness..For some there is the

suddenness of the event, and for others it a longer more painful journey through pain, disease and loss of dignity due to dependancy on others, for basic needs of care and sustenence.warmest regardsSheevani

ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Possessions, desires and duties form our bonds of attachment to the world.> Though they are important to live a meaningful life, they also create chains> and shackles when there is time to leave. Who would want to embrace the> unknown leaving everything he has loved so dearly, behind.> > Nonetheless, I feel that the extent to which one may fear death also depends> on the society one belongs to, and the samskarams one receives. Amongst> Hindu's who are brought up on the staple diet of Geeta, death is much more> acceptable and not feared. Similarly Jains who think of death as

a> celebration are generally more prepared for it.> > West, on the other hand, is choked with the fear of death. Middle ages in> Europe specially instilled this morbid fear to get people's attention to> church. There is absolute phobia about dying. Ageism is a big issue in the> West.> > And imagine, a major worry in the West is also cost of their own funeral for> which arrangements have to be made before leaving. In India, one prays and> must bear a son so that he may die in peace! (in lighter vein)> > Just some random thoughts;;;> > Regards> Neelam> > > >

> On 8 April 2010 18:32, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Namaste.> >> > "Deh Shiva Var Mohe eihe shubh karman te kabhun na daron"> >> > (grant me the courage not to shirk from good karma/deeds)> >> > From the Guru Granth ji.. A hymm sung recited regularly by Guru GobindJi> > before engaging in any warfare activity..> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Shahid Bhagat Singh, Guru Gobind Singh and so many others, countless in> > > India....> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

 

 

> > Kulbir Bains> > > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our> > > > consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.> > > Only> > > > persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at> > > the> > > > Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the> > > destruction> > > > of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//> > > >> > > > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because> > > of> > > > EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die> > > (voluntary> > > > death).> > > >

Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > >> > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran> > > chandran_manoj@ :> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sheevani Ji,> > > > >> > > > > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of> > > "this> > > > > tapestry called life on earth"> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms> > > into> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> > > caterpillar.> > > > > //> > > > >> > > > > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even> > > the> > > > >

slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of> > > Death (at> > > > > the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have> > > relinquished all> > > > > sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the> > > Fear is one> > > > > of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)> > > through which> > > > > it operates.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > -Manoj> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > ** Sheevani sheevani147@> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

 

 

> > > > > *Sent:* Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM> > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> > > > > success/failure> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > > > >> > > > > Namaste.> > > > >> > > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> > > > >> > > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start> > > to lose> > > > > my marbles just yet!!> > > > >> > > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> > > the> > > > > body ages...> > > > >> > > > > I

feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and> > > > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond> > > immediate> > > > > needs of one own circle.> > > > >> > > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it> > > is> > > > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> > > > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"...> > > the> > > > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great> > > loss, not> > > > > to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> > > > >> > > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> > > all> > >

> > kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> > > personalities, the> > > > > good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides, race,> > > colour,> > > > > religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also> > > funerals,> > > > > yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such> > > hurry,, but> > > > > for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...> > > > >> > > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> > > > >> > > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the> > > active> > > > > participant.> > > > >> > > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear

no longer being part of "this> > > > > tapestry called life on earth"> > > > >> > > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms> > > into> > > > > another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> > > caterpillar.> > > > > .> > > > >> > > > > warmest regards> > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,> > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > You said> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind

and body, where body is> > > discared,> > > > > does the mind exist?> > > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks & Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> > > > > success/failure> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%40.

com>> > > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.> > > > > >> > > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> > > prashna> > > > > can give the death information more accurately.> > > > > >> > > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that> > > > > indicate some probability.> >

> > > >> > > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a> > > very> > > > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level> > > of> > > > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> > > discared,> > > > > does the mind exist?> > > > > >> > > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a> > > better> > > > > place.> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com, "Sheevani"> > > > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2> > > combinations. I> > > > > was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably> > > thoughts> > > > > of the other world do arise.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and> > > mercury, Sun> > > > > is also vargottama.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> >

> was> > > > > laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit> > > papers> > > > > ready?.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> > > debts> > > > > are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds> > > again in> > > > > pisces in 12 Years time..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that> > > prevails..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,> > > good -> > > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> > > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus> > > in case> > > > > of> > > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> > > TRANSIT> > > > > > > > chart).> > > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the> > > DEATH> > > > >

CHART> > > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> > > of> > > > > judge> > > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the> > > > > astrologer> > > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> > > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

Namaste,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th> > > (kantaka)> > > > > from> > > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> > > Jupiter> > > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to> > > both birth> > > > > > > > and death]///> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > Homepage. http://in..> > > > > com/ <http://in.. com/>> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Shankar ji for sharing your beautiful thoughts.//Most wise people say that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to achieve this completeness.//

I feel in modern society most people are working towards goals and do pursue them quite relentlessly throughout their lives, yet feel a sense of incompleteness at the end of it because the either goals were misplaced or they forgot to look at the beauty of life as they remained focussed on the destination.

What is the goal of individual and collective human life that brings in completeness and how best to go for it, is perhaps the question?

Regards

Neelam On 8 April 2010 20:26, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The crux I think is about the sense of fulfillment and completeness. Fulfillment of Responsibility or richness of experience or having seen the pleasures or having contributed to the family or society, each of these is an aspect. Having tread on the path to achieving a goal bigger than the body, is what brings that completeness. And lack of that completeness is what makes man crave to live longer. Here is a piece on completeness, excerpted from one of my old articles:

 

For this we need to see what man seeks in life. He

seeks happiness. Then the question is what brings happiness. It is completeness

that brings happiness. There is a vast landscape of incompleteness in man. The

more successful he is in fulfilling it and achieving completeness, the happier

he is. There are different ways to achieve completeness. Most wise people say

that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to

achieve this completeness. It is aimlessness that causes incompleteness to grow

and it is goal that fills in that incompleteness.

 

Having said this, it is really

rare to find in a society someone who has such goal and spends his life for it.

Most people have aims, ambitions, passions, fancies, principles, dreams,

visions, but a goal of the kind that offers such a fulfillment is rare to find

in men.

 

There are many constructs man

creates to offer completeness – the biggest of them is God. A definition for

God/Divinity is “the belief that offers completeness to man”. This is not a

qualitative definition for God but a teleological definition. At higher levels

it is not a belief but a living presence with which he needs no other circle or

society to offer him anything except his basic physical needs (sometimes not

even that). The more a man gets absorbed into it, the more complete he gets and

the less is the need for him to seek, create or move within circles. This way,

aloofness is brought about by a kind of completeness in man.

 

But there is dichotomy in

aloofness – one who has not begun the journey for completeness and still has to

feel the need for circles and create them and the one who has journeyed through

it and finally grew above it by achieving completeness from within.

 

Thus during his journey he

creates and sustains many levels of collectivities – this phase is called

pravritti. In pravritti marga man synthesizes and sustains the society. Then he

locates the space within him where he can attain completeness – then he starts

nivritti. That is, he withdraws into himself.

 

There are many other ways man can

achieve completeness – art forms, research, social activity – in short any kind

of synthesis. Synthesis brings completeness. In traditional language one

transcends annamaya, pranamaya and manomaya kosas with synthetic activity and

lives in vijnanamaya kosa. He then moves further in, to anandamaya kosa and

within that to achieve total completeness. But in this stage of transcendence

he does things that do not relate to the subject of his synthetic activity. For

instance, a scientist stops speaking about laws of science and starts dwelling

in philosophy. An artist no more thinks of skill but only expresses his deepest

experiences. A social activist no more represents his community or cause or

principle but becomes instrument in the universal cause. In this stage he does

continue to synthesize but it is entirely different both in content and quality

from what he does earlier. This is the highest form of synthesis and offers the

highest fulfillment for man’s life.

 

The dependence a man has with

collectivity begins as he steps into pravritti, grows with it, and starts coming

down when he starts nivritti. As he completes nivritti he has nothing to do

with any kind of collectivity – family, community, society or nation.

Shankar

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Dear Bhaskar Ji,You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotishTo:

Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM Re: spritual practise success/failure

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

We are ordinary people. I agree that "Yogis" come from us Ordinary folks

only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .

 

A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is

just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual

Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout

eternity.... ..

 

But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our

duties as a good "Grihastha ashram" Holder...

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

>

> I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be

confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face

Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME

that Fear through Bravery.

>

> Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME

FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she

KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.

>

>

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@. ..

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our

consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.

Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless

at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the

destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//

>

> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because

of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die

(voluntary death).

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >Dear Sheevani Ji,

> >

> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

"this tapestry called life on earth"

> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. //

> >

> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,

since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the

Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> >>

> >Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> >

> >

> >Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> >

> >Namaste.

> >

> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> >

> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

to lose my marbles just yet!!

> >

> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

the body ages...

> >

> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond

immediate needs of one own circle.

> >

> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is

excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the

world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> >

> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

unperturbed by people or events...

> >

> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> >

> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

active participant.

> >

> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this

tapestry called life on earth"

> >

> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. .

> >

> >warmest regards

> >Sheevani

> >

> >ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> You said

> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> >>>

> >> Thanks & Regards

> >>

> >> Chiranjiv Mehta

> >>

> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> >>

> >>

> >> Â

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear All,

> >>

> >> Namaste,

> >>

> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about

> > death, seem flippant to you.

> >>

> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> >>

> >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

indicate some probability.

> >>>

> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different

level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> >>

> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> >>>

> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

place.

> >>

> >> warmest regards

> >> Sheevani

> >>

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"

<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >>> >

> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >> >

> >> > Namaste.

> >> >

> >> > Yes, i

> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was

just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts

of the other world do arise.

> >> >

> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> >>> >

> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

papers ready?.

> >> >

> >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> >>> >

> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> >> >

> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

prevails..

> >> >

> >>> > warmest regards

> >> > Sheevani

> >> >

> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Shivani ji,

> >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

good -

> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

in case of

> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

TRANSIT

> >> > > chart).

> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

DEATH CHART

> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

of judge

> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

astrologer

> >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".

> >>> > > Love and regards,

> >> > > Sreenadh

> >> > >

> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > "Sheevani"

> >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Namaste,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

(kantaka) from

> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

Jupiter

> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

birth

> >> > > and death]///

> >> > > >

> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > warmest regards

> >> > > > Sheevani

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in..

> > com/

> >>

> >

> >

>

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Dear Manoj ji,

 

I agree with you. Once you 'let go of the ego' you are almost in the vicinity of

detachment. We need to realize that nothing is permanent. Not even

happiness/sorrow. So how come life? This is the basic truth.

'Ego' is I, me, myself, mine etc. Let go of this..... I am sure the 'Fear' of

death disappears.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir Ji,

>

> I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be confused with

Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face Death, does NOT mean

they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME that Fear through Bravery.

>

> Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME FEAR of

Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she KNOWS he/she is

NOT the Body.

>

>

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb

>

> Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM

> Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji,

> // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness,

Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since

the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body)

through which it operates.//

>

> Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because of EGO.

Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die (voluntary death).

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> >>

> >

> >>

> >

> >Dear Sheevani Ji,

> >

> >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

tapestry called life on earth "

> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into

another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. //

> >

> >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even the

slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of Death (at the

moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have relinquished all sense of

Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego,

which Fears the destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> >>

> >Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ________________________________

> Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

> >

> >

> >Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> >

> >Namaste.

> >

> >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> >

> >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to lose

my marbles just yet!!

> >

> >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as the body

ages...

> >

> >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond immediate

needs of one own circle.

> >

> >With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully blooms..U

see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the world seems a

much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss, not to at least try and

understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> >

> >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of all kinds

of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of divides,

race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings, births and also

funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone seems to be in such hurry,,

but for what? ....the world goes on unperturbed by people or events...

> >

> >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

> >

> >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the active

participant.

> >

> >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this tapestry

called life on earth "

> >

> >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms into

another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a caterpillar. .

> >

> >warmest regards

> >Sheevani

> >

> >ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> You said

> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared,

does the mind exist?

> >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> >>>

> >> Thanks & Regards

> >>

> >> Chiranjiv Mehta

> >>

> >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

> >>> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> >>

> >>

> >> Â

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear All,

> >>

> >> Namaste,

> >>

> >> I am sorry if my remmarks about

> > death, seem flippant to you.

> >>

> >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death prashna

can give the death information more accurately.

> >>

> >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that indicate

some probability.

> >>>

> >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very

natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of

conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> >>

> >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is discared,

does the mind exist?

> >>>

> >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better place.

> >>

> >> warmest regards

> >> Sheevani

> >>

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >>> >

> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >> >

> >> > Namaste.

> >> >

> >> > Yes, i

> > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was just

laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts of the other

world do arise.

> >> >

> >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and mercury, Sun

is also vargottama.

> >>> >

> >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i was

laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit papers

ready?.

> >> >

> >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic debts

are cleared during my Shani MD..

> >>> >

> >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds again in

pisces in 12 Years time..

> >> >

> >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..

> >> >

> >>> > warmest regards

> >> > Sheevani

> >> >

> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Shivani ji,

> >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good -

> >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in case

of

> >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the TRANSIT

> >> > > chart).

> >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH CHART

> >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done of

judge

> >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

astrologer

> >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

> >>> > > Love and regards,

> >> > > Sreenadh

> >> > >

> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " Sheevani "

> >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Namaste,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th (kantaka)

from

> >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and Jupiter

> >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both birth

> >> > > and death]///

> >> > > >

> >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > warmest regards

> >> > > > Sheevani

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in..

> > com/

> >>

> >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all? I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal experience. Regards, Anita--- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: spritual practise success/failureTo:

Date: Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just

little)

 

Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties to

the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled as

to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,

yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he would

look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something for

his family members and make them content and become content himself in

the process....

 

I can give more such examples.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani Ji,

>

> // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

"this tapestry called life on earth"

> For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. //

>

> Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of

Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of

the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sheevani sheevani147@ ...

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

>

> Â

> Dear Chiranjiv ji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

>

> Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to

lose my marbles just yet!!

>

> Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

the body ages...

>

> I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond

immediate needs of one own circle.

>

> With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is

excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the

world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

>

> U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,

births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

unperturbed by people or events...

>

> What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

>

> Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

active participant.

>

> Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this

tapestry called life on earth"

>

> For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

caterpillar. .

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > You said

> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

success/failure

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> >

> >

> > ÂÂ

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> >

> > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> >

> > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

indicate some probability.

> >

> > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very

natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of

conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> >

> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

discared, does the mind exist?

> >

> > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better

place.

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"

<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.

I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

thoughts of the other world do arise.

> > >

> > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > >

> > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit

papers ready?.

> > >

> > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > >

> > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > >

> > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"

<sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good

-

> > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

> > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in

case of

> > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

TRANSIT

> > > > chart).

> > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH

CHART

> > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

of judge

> > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

astrologer

> > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"

> > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

(kantaka) from

> > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

Jupiter

> > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both

birth

> > > > and death]///

> > > > >

> > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in.. com/

> >

>

 

 

 

 

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I will say amen to that. One could not have put it better.Regards,Anita--- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:45 PM

 

 

On Ego,

EGO is like our UNDERGARMENTS !!!!

It is IMPORTANT that You have it......

But

NOT necessary that you SHOW it.........

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anita-ji,

 

The more we do for "Satisfaction of others", the more chances of "taken for

granted". And nobody will ever be satisfied.

 

It will be better if we have some 'internal performance apprisal' ...then we

will be satisfied at least.

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Anita RFriday, April 09, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Re: spritual practise success/failure

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar ji,Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all? I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal experience. Regards, Anita--- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: spritual practise success/failure Date: Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM

Dear Manoj ji,I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so justlittle)Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties tothe satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled asto feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he wouldlook for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something forhis family members and make them content and become content himself inthe process....I can give more such examples.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sheevani Ji,>> // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of"this tapestry called life on earth"> For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. //>> Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as eventhe slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear ofDeath (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who haverelinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time ofDeath, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction ofthe Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.> Â> Regards,>  -Manoj> Â>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Sheevani sheevani147@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure>> Â> Dear Chiranjiv ji,>> Namaste.>> ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //>> Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start tolose my marbles just yet!!>> Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper asthe body ages...>> I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations andresponsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyondimmediate needs of one own circle.>> With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it isexcellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trullyblooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... theworld seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.>> U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full ofall kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents andpersonalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind ofdivides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyoneseems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes onunperturbed by people or events...>> What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?>> Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than theactive participant.>> Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "thistapestry called life on earth">> For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma bloomsinto another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from acaterpillar. .>> warmest regards> Sheevani>> ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta<vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> >> > You said> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> >> > Thanks & Regards> >> > Chiranjiv Mehta> >> > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practisesuccess/failure> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> >> >> > ÂÂ> >> >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Namaste,> >> > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.> >> > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and deathprashna can give the death information more accurately.> >> > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too thatindicate some probability.> >> > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a verynatural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level ofconciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> >> > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body isdiscared, does the mind exist?> >> > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a betterplace.> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"<sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitablythoughts of the other world do arise.> > >> > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus andmercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > >> > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so iwas laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exitpapers ready?.> > >> > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmicdebts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > >> > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his roundsagain in pisces in 12 Years time..> > >> > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"<sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good-> > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus incase of> > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about theTRANSIT> > > > chart).> > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATHCHART> > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (doneof judge> > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then theastrologer> > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,> > > > >> > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th(kantaka) from> > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign andJupiter> > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to bothbirth> > > > and death]///> > > > >> > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > >> > > > > warmest regards> > > > > Sheevani> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.http://in.. com/> >>

 

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Dear Anita ji,

 

I am with you on this... I actually meant that one should do his duties

to the best of his potential possible otherwise he could not think of

dying peacefully. One cannot make anybody happy in this world. A man

cannot make even himself happy so no question of family members.

 

The appraisal has to be self as I think Chakraborty ji mentioned.

 

What you wrote is perfect human behaviour. The more one does, the more

is expected, and the more one is criticised, and the more they will sit

on your head and try to control you. But we have to draw a line who is

exploiting us and who needs our services. And apart keeping aside how

they behave towards us, we have to continue doing our duties to the best

of our extents possible..

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Anita R <ash.rsh55

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> Tell me, can you tell me if there has been any one who has been able

to perform his duties to the satisfaction of his family members at all?

I am speaking from personal experience. I find, the more you do , the

more is expected from you and the more you are criticised.. I do not

know if you agree with me or not but this has been my personal

experience.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Thu, 8/4/10, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: spritual practise

success/failure

>

> Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 1:30 PM

>

Â

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Manoj ji,

>

>

>

> I would like to argue on this ( Not much- because I like you, so just

>

> little)

>

>

>

> Remove the Ego from a man who has not been able to perform his duties

to

>

> the satisfaction of his family members at all. Even if he is humbled

as

>

> to feel like a Donkey, which means not a trace of Ego is left in him,

>

> yet he would not like to die BUT fear of having to die, because he

would

>

> look for few years more, so as to once again attempt to do something

for

>

> his family members and make them content and become content himself in

>

> the process....

>

>

>

> I can give more such examples.

>

>

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

>

> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Sheevani Ji,

>

> >

>

> > // Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

>

> " this tapestry called life on earth "

>

> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

>

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

>

> caterpillar. //

>

> >

>

> > Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even

>

> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of

>

> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have

>

> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of

>

> Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction

of

>

> the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.

>

> > Â

>

> > Regards,

>

> > Â -Manoj

>

> > Â

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > Sheevani sheevani147@ ...

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

>

> success/failure

>

> >

>

> > Â

>

> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

>

> >

>

> > Namaste.

>

> >

>

> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

>

> >

>

> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start

to

>

> lose my marbles just yet!!

>

> >

>

> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as

>

> the body ages...

>

> >

>

> > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

>

> responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

>

> immediate needs of one own circle.

>

> >

>

> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it

is

>

> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully

>

> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ...

the

>

> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

>

> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

>

> >

>

> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of

>

> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

>

> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

>

> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are

weddings,

>

> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

>

> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

>

> unperturbed by people or events...

>

> >

>

> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?

>

> >

>

> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

>

> active participant.

>

> >

>

> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this

>

> tapestry called life on earth "

>

> >

>

> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

>

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a

>

> caterpillar. .

>

> >

>

> > warmest regards

>

> > Sheevani

>

> >

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

>

> <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > You said

>

> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

>

> discared, does the mind exist?

>

> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

>

> > >

>

> > > Thanks & Regards

>

> > >

>

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>

>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

>

> success/failure

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > ÂÂ

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear All,

>

> > >

>

> > > Namaste,

>

> > >

>

> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

>

> > >

>

> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death

>

> prashna can give the death information more accurately.

>

> > >

>

> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

>

> indicate some probability.

>

> > >

>

> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a

very

>

> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level

of

>

> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

>

> > >

>

> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is

>

> discared, does the mind exist?

>

> > >

>

> > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

better

>

> place.

>

> > >

>

> > > warmest regards

>

> > > Sheevani

>

> > >

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

>

> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Namaste.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

combinations.

>

> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably

>

> thoughts of the other world do arise.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

>

> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i

>

> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit

>

> papers ready?.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic

>

> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

>

> > > >

>

> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

>

> again in pisces in 12 Years time..

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

prevails..

>

> > > >

>

> > > > warmest regards

>

> > > > Sheevani

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog "

>

> <sreesog@> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

>

> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,

good

>

> -

>

> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a

>

> > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus

in

>

> case of

>

> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the

>

> TRANSIT

>

> > > > > chart).

>

> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

DEATH

>

> CHART

>

> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done

>

> of judge

>

> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

>

> astrologer

>

> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .

>

> > > > > Love and regards,

>

> > > > > Sreenadh

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

>

> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Namaste,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

>

> (kantaka) from

>

> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

>

> Jupiter

>

> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

both

>

> birth

>

> > > > > and death]///

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > warmest regards

>

> > > > > > Sheevani

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage.

>

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Dear Neelam ji,"I

feel in modern society most people are working towards goals and do

pursue them quite relentlessly throughout their lives, yet feel a sense

of incompleteness at the end of it because the either goals were

misplaced or they forgot to look at the beauty of life as they remained

focussed on the destination.

What

is the goal of individual and collective human life that brings in

completeness and how best to go for it, is perhaps the question?"Most people as I noted, have cravings, ambitions, aspirations, passions, but not many of these can be called goals. For any pursuit to become a quest, for an ambition to become a goal, there needs to be elevation in the person as well as the level at which the pursuit happens. For instance, earning wealth cannot be a goal - while generating wealth can be a goal and even a moksha marga. The former has "sangraha buddi", while the latter has synthesis. Similarly excelling in science cannot be the goal that fulfills, but making it a fulfillment for life does. Perfecting in music cannot be such a goal, but the quest for the nature of essential ananda in nada can be such a goal. The former leads to latter in the case of great men, but we should not mistake former for the latter. Shankarneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 12:32:40 AMRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure

 

 

Thanks Shankar ji for sharing your beautiful thoughts.//Most wise people say that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to achieve this completeness. //

I feel in modern society most people are working towards goals and do pursue them quite relentlessly throughout their lives, yet feel a sense of incompleteness at the end of it because the either goals were misplaced or they forgot to look at the beauty of life as they remained focussed on the destination.

What is the goal of individual and collective human life that brings in completeness and how best to go for it, is perhaps the question?

Regards

Neelam On 8 April 2010 20:26, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The crux I think is about the sense of fulfillment and completeness. Fulfillment of Responsibility or richness of experience or having seen the pleasures or having contributed to the family or society, each of these is an aspect. Having tread on the path to achieving a goal bigger than the body, is what brings that completeness. And lack of that completeness is what makes man crave to live longer. Here is a piece on completeness, excerpted from one of my old articles:

 

For this we need to see what man seeks in life. He

seeks happiness. Then the question is what brings happiness. It is completeness

that brings happiness. There is a vast landscape of incompleteness in man. The

more successful he is in fulfilling it and achieving completeness, the happier

he is. There are different ways to achieve completeness. Most wise people say

that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to

achieve this completeness. It is aimlessness that causes incompleteness to grow

and it is goal that fills in that incompleteness.

 

Having said this, it is really

rare to find in a society someone who has such goal and spends his life for it.

Most people have aims, ambitions, passions, fancies, principles, dreams,

visions, but a goal of the kind that offers such a fulfillment is rare to find

in men.

 

There are many constructs man

creates to offer completeness – the biggest of them is God. A definition for

God/Divinity is “the belief that offers completeness to manâ€. This is not a

qualitative definition for God but a teleological definition. At higher levels

it is not a belief but a living presence with which he needs no other circle or

society to offer him anything except his basic physical needs (sometimes not

even that). The more a man gets absorbed into it, the more complete he gets and

the less is the need for him to seek, create or move within circles. This way,

aloofness is brought about by a kind of completeness in man.

 

But there is dichotomy in

aloofness – one who has not begun the journey for completeness and still has to

feel the need for circles and create them and the one who has journeyed through

it and finally grew above it by achieving completeness from within.

 

Thus during his journey he

creates and sustains many levels of collectivities – this phase is called

pravritti. In pravritti marga man synthesizes and sustains the society. Then he

locates the space within him where he can attain completeness – then he starts

nivritti. That is, he withdraws into himself.

 

There are many other ways man can

achieve completeness – art forms, research, social activity – in short any kind

of synthesis. Synthesis brings completeness. In traditional language one

transcends annamaya, pranamaya and manomaya kosas with synthetic activity and

lives in vijnanamaya kosa. He then moves further in, to anandamaya kosa and

within that to achieve total completeness. But in this stage of transcendence

he does things that do not relate to the subject of his synthetic activity. For

instance, a scientist stops speaking about laws of science and starts dwelling

in philosophy. An artist no more thinks of skill but only expresses his deepest

experiences. A social activist no more represents his community or cause or

principle but becomes instrument in the universal cause. In this stage he does

continue to synthesize but it is entirely different both in content and quality

from what he does earlier. This is the highest form of synthesis and offers the

highest fulfillment for man’s life.

 

The dependence a man has with

collectivity begins as he steps into pravritti, grows with it, and starts coming

down when he starts nivritti. As he completes nivritti he has nothing to do

with any kind of collectivity – family, community, society or nation.

Shankar

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Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....

 

after me.....

 

after me.....

 

when i am not there then why fear.....

 

Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

 

That reminds me of a famous song...."jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban"....

 

Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death too)....

 

just some random thoughts....

 

best wishes,

 

Mouji

 

 

 

Sheevani <sheevani147 Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM Re: spritual practise success/failure

Dear Bhaskar ji,Namaste,Agreed!"Amar jeev mare so kaaya," ("The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable." )warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this> tapestry> called life on earth"//> > Yes however much anyone may say that "I have got fed up of my Life"> ..."I want to end my Life"... "I dont wish to live anymore"... "Oh God> lift me up please"..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because> all of us are in fact - enjoying living .> > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual

mind is> not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is> knowing fear and Love.> > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he> recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ?> Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always> known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know> what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you> shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...> > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the> Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a> singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the> individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and> foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the

mind which knows> about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,> Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.> > rgrds/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > Namaste.> >> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to> lose my marbles just yet!!> >> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> the body ages...> >> > I feel in youth, one has so many

commitments, expectations and> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond> immediate needs of one own circle.> >> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone> seems to be in

such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on> unperturbed by people or events...> >> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the> active participant.> >> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this> tapestry called life on earth"> >> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. .> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>

vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > You said> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sheevani sheevani147@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > >> > >> > >

Â> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.> > >> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > >> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that> indicate some probability.> > >> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > >> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >> > > The atma moves on to

its next destination, hopefully it is a better> place.> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste.> > > >> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably> thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > >> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > > >> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit> papers ready?.> > > >> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > >> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds> again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > >> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good> -> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >

> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in> case of> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> TRANSIT> > > > > chart).> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH> CHART> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> of judge> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the> astrologer> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th> (kantaka) from> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> Jupiter> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both> birth> > > > > and death]///> > > > > >> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....

 

after me.....

 

after me.....

 

when i am not there then why fear.....

 

Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

 

That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " ....

 

Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death too)....

 

just some random thoughts....

 

best wishes,

 

Mouji

 

 

 

Sheevani <sheevani147

Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM Re: spritual practise success/failure 

Dear Bhaskar ji,Namaste,Agreed! " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, " ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " )warmest regardsSheevani

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>>

> //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this> tapestry> called life on earth " //> > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my Life "

> ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh God> lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because> all of us are in fact - enjoying living .

> > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual

mind is> not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is> knowing fear and Love.> > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he> recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ?

> Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always> known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know> what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you

> shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...> > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the> Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a

> singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the> individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and> foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the

mind which knows> about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,> Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.> > rgrds/Bhaskar.>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > Namaste.> >> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to

> lose my marbles just yet!!> >> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> the body ages...> >> > I feel in youth, one has so many

commitments, expectations and> responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond> immediate needs of one own circle.> >> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so it is

> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new eyes " ... the> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,

> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone

> seems to be in

such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on> unperturbed by people or events...> >> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> active participant.> >> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of " this> tapestry called life on earth " > >> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms

> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. .> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta

>

vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > You said> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > >

> > > Sheevani sheevani147@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > >> > >> > >

Â> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > >> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > >> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that

> indicate some probability.> > >> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > >> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >> > > The atma moves on to

its next destination, hopefully it is a better> place.> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste.> > > >> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.

> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably> thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > >> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > > >> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit> papers ready?.> > > >> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > >> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds

> again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > >> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani

> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreesog " > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good> -> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >

> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in> case of> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> TRANSIT> > > > > chart).

> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH> CHART> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> of judge> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the

> astrologer> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha Gati " .> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani " > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> (kantaka) from> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> Jupiter> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both> birth

> > > > > and death]///> > > > > >> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> >

>> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> http://in.. com/> > >> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mauji Bhai and Kulbir ji,

 

Wah wah ...

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Koi ummeed bar nahi aati, koi surat nazar nahi aati

> Maut ka ek din muayyan hai, Neend kyun raat bar nahi aati

>

> Aage aati thi haal e dil pe hasi, Ab kisi baat par nahi aati

> Hai kuch aisi hi baat jo chup hai, Warna kya baat kar nahi aati

>

> Daag-e-dil gar nazar nahi aata, wo bhi aye charagar nahi aati

> Hum wahan hai jahan se humko bhi, Kuch humari khabar nahin aati

>

> kyon na cheekhon ki yaad karte hain, meri aawaaz gar nahin aati

> Marte hai aarzoo mein marne ki, Maut aati hai par nahi aati

>

> kaaba kis munh se jaaoge Ghalib, sharam tumko magar nahi aati

>

>

> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Manoj Kumar mouji99 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear

of

> > death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology,

the fear

> > of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of

cars, the

> > fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the

kind of

> > flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time

to cover

> > this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....

> >

> > after me.....

> >

> > after me.....

> >

> > when i am not there then why fear.....

> >

> > Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

> >

> > That reminds me of a famous song.... " jayen to jayen

kahan....samjhega kaun

> > yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban " ....

> >

> > Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after

death

> > too)....

> >

> > just some random thoughts....

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Mouji

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Sheevani sheevani147

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Thu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: spritual practise

> > success/failure

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Agreed!

> >

> > " Amar jeev mare so kaaya, "

> >

> > ( " The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable. " )

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>,

> > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

" this

> > > tapestry

> > > called life on earth " //

> > >

> > > Yes however much anyone may say that " I have got fed up of my

Life "

> > > ... " I want to end my Life " ... " I dont wish to live anymore " ... " Oh

God

> > > lift me up please " ..... in actual reality no one wishes to die,

because

> > > all of us are in fact - enjoying living .

> > >

> > > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual

mind is

> > > not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual

mind is

> > > knowing fear and Love.

> > >

> > > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but

he

> > > recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why

?

> > > Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has

always

> > > known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind

to know

> > > what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when

you

> > > shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...

> > >

> > > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the

> > > Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for

a

> > > singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here

the

> > > individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends

and

> > > foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the mind which

knows

> > > about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji,

Sridevi,

> > > Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this

Birth.

> > >

> > > rgrds/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>,

> > " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //

> > > >

> > > > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should

start to

> > > lose my marbles just yet!!

> > > >

> > > > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper

as

> > > the body ages...

> > > >

> > > > I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and

> > > responsiblities, one is too busy in the " rat-race " to think beyond

> > > immediate needs of one own circle.

> > > >

> > > > With age, the children etc are too busy with the " rat-race " , so

it is

> > > excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind

trully

> > > blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with " new

eyes " ... the

> > > world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great

loss,

> > > not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.

> > > >

> > > > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full

of

> > > all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and

> > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of

> > > divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are

weddings,

> > > births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions,

everyone

> > > seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on

> > > unperturbed by people or events...

> > > >

> > > > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world

going?

> > > >

> > > > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the

> > > active participant.

> > > >

> > > > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of

" this

> > > tapestry called life on earth "

> > > >

> > > > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma

blooms

> > > into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from

a

> > > caterpillar. .

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>,

> > chiranjiv mehta

> > > vchiranjiv@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > You said

> > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body

is

> > > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheevani sheevani147@

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise

> > > success/failure

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<%40>

> > > > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.

> > > > >

> > > > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and

death

> > > prashna can give the death information more accurately.

> > > > >

> > > > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too

that

> > > indicate some probability.

> > > > >

> > > > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as

a very

> > > natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different

level of

> > > conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body

is

> > > discared, does the mind exist?

> > > > >

> > > > > The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a

better

> > > place.

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sheevani "

> > > <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2

combinations.

> > > I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so

inevitably

> > > thoughts of the other world do arise.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and

> > > mercury, Sun is also vargottama.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010,

so i

> > > was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit

> > > papers ready?.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all

karmic

> > > debts are cleared during my Shani MD..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his

rounds

> > > again in pisces in 12 Years time..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that

prevails..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" sreesog "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shivani ji,

> > > > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your

birth, good

> > > -

> > > > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally,

such a

> > > > > > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH

(Thus in

> > > case of

> > > > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about

the

> > > TRANSIT

> > > > > > > chart).

> > > > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the

DEATH

> > > CHART

> > > > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART

(done

> > > of judge

> > > > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then

the

> > > astrologer

> > > > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained " Moksha

Gati " .

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Sheevani "

> > > > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th

> > > (kantaka) from

> > > > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to

both

> > > birth

> > > > > > > and death]///

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H

too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage.

> > > http://in.. com/ <http://in./>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

A very good mail.

Thank You.

regards/Bhaskar.

 

, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli

<shankarabharadwaj wrote:

>

> The crux I think is about the sense of fulfillment and completeness.

Fulfillment of Responsibility or richness of experience or having seen the

pleasures or having contributed to the family or society, each of these is an

aspect. Having tread on the path to achieving a goal bigger than the body, is

what brings that completeness. And lack of that completeness is what makes man

crave to live longer. Here is a piece on completeness, excerpted from one of my

old articles:

>

>

> For this we need to see what man seeks in life. He

> seeks happiness. Then the question is what brings happiness. It is

completeness

> that brings happiness. There is a vast landscape of incompleteness in man. The

> more successful he is in fulfilling it and achieving completeness, the happier

> he is. There are different ways to achieve completeness. Most wise people say

> that having a goal and working for it throughout one’s life is the way to

> achieve this completeness. It is aimlessness that causes incompleteness to

grow

> and it is goal that fills in that incompleteness.

>

> Having said this, it is really

> rare to find in a society someone who has such goal and spends his life for

it.

> Most people have aims, ambitions, passions, fancies, principles, dreams,

> visions, but a goal of the kind that offers such a fulfillment is rare to find

> in men.

>

> There are many constructs man

> creates to offer completeness †" the biggest of them is God. A definition for

> God/Divinity is “the belief that offers completeness to manâ€. This is not

a

> qualitative definition for God but a teleological definition. At higher levels

> it is not a belief but a living presence with which he needs no other circle

or

> society to offer him anything except his basic physical needs (sometimes not

> even that). The more a man gets absorbed into it, the more complete he gets

and

> the less is the need for him to seek, create or move within circles. This way,

> aloofness is brought about by a kind of completeness in man.

>

> But there is dichotomy in

> aloofness †" one who has not begun the journey for completeness and still has

to

> feel the need for circles and create them and the one who has journeyed

through

> it and finally grew above it by achieving completeness from within.

>

> Thus during his journey he

> creates and sustains many levels of collectivities †" this phase is called

> pravritti. In pravritti marga man synthesizes and sustains the society. Then

he

> locates the space within him where he can attain completeness †" then he

starts

> nivritti. That is, he withdraws into himself.

>

> There are many other ways man can

> achieve completeness †" art forms, research, social activity †" in short any

kind

> of synthesis. Synthesis brings completeness. In traditional language one

> transcends annamaya, pranamaya and manomaya kosas with synthetic activity and

> lives in vijnanamaya kosa. He then moves further in, to anandamaya kosa and

> within that to achieve total completeness. But in this stage of transcendence

> he does things that do not relate to the subject of his synthetic activity.

For

> instance, a scientist stops speaking about laws of science and starts dwelling

> in philosophy. An artist no more thinks of skill but only expresses his

deepest

> experiences. A social activist no more represents his community or cause or

> principle but becomes instrument in the universal cause. In this stage he does

> continue to synthesize but it is entirely different both in content and

quality

> from what he does earlier. This is the highest form of synthesis and offers

the

> highest fulfillment for man’s life.

>

> The dependence a man has with

> collectivity begins as he steps into pravritti, grows with it, and starts

coming

> down when he starts nivritti. As he completes nivritti he has nothing to do

> with any kind of collectivity †" family, community, society or nation.

>

>

>

> Shankar

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj Bhai,

Please do not feel that you are alone.

Most of us are in the same boat giving you company.

Most of us have failed miserabley. This failure can

be noticed in the eyes and behaviours of the family members

towards us. Somewhere we too are to blame for

not having tapped our potentials to the fullest,

and somewhere they too, for

not remaining content and satisfied

with whatever we are able to achieve and create..

best wishes and warm regards,

Bhaskar..

N.B. Most of us are time wasters and not focused with no drawn out plans for the day... We spend our time thinking about so much work to complete during the day, but never begin sincerely and neither complete it after beginning and the most bad habit is Procastinations......

 

 

, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Ji,> > You are absolutely right. There is much duty to do towards Family. Perhaps a true Karma Yogi can achieve both, but so far I have fallen miserably short > > > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ________________________________> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Thu, April 8, 2010 11:43:24 AM> Re: spritual practise success/failure> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > We are ordinary people. I agree that "Yogis" come from us Ordinary folks> only. But to become a Yogi one has to be very good on many scales...... .> > A Yogi may not fear Death for he knows that that the Life on earth is> just a temporary rest on a station in ones journey, but the actual> Journey is Living without the Body, for millions of Years throughout> eternity.... ..> > But we dont want to become a Yogi yet, unless we have imparted our> duties as a good "Grihastha ashram" Holder...> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran> <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir Ji,> >> > I have a different take on this. Not having an Ego should not be> confused with Cowardice. Just because some one was brave enough to Face> Death, does NOT mean they Did NOT have Fear. It just means they OVERCAME> that Fear through Bravery.> >> > Only the True Yogi can Die without Fear, without having to OVERCOME> FEAR of Death, because for Him/Her Fear does not exist, Becaue he/she> KNOWS he/she is NOT the Body.> >> >> > -Manoj> >> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ ..> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, April 8, 2010 8:12:19 AM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> >> >> > Dear Manoj ji,> > // As long as even the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our> consciousness, Fear of Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable.> Only persons who have relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless> at the Time of Death, since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the> destruction of the Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.//> >> > Kindly refer to history; how many happily embraced death just because> of EGO. Hadn't there been ego, there would had been no reason to die> (voluntary death).> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> >> >> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> > wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >Dear Sheevani Ji,> > >> > >// Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of> "this tapestry called life on earth"> > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. //> > >> > >Conquering the Fear of Death is the Final Frontier. As long as even> the slightest remnant of Ego survives in our consciousness, Fear of> Death (at the moment of Death) is inevitable. Only persons who have> relinquished all sense of Ego can remain Fearless at the Time of Death,> since the Fear is one of the Ego, which Fears the destruction of the> Vehichle (Body) through which it operates.> > >>> > >Regards,> > > -Manoj> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Wed, April 7, 2010 2:32:32 PM> > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > >> > >> > >Dear Chiranjiv ji,> > >> > >Namaste.> > >> > >///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> > >> > >Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start> to lose my marbles just yet!!> > >> > >Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> the body ages...> > >> > >I feel in youth, one has so many commitments, expectations and> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond> immediate needs of one own circle.> > >> > >With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> > >> > >U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> > > personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone> seems to be in such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on> unperturbed by people or events...> > >> > >What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> > >> > >Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the> active participant.> > >> > >Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this> tapestry called life on earth"> > >> > >For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. .> > >> > >warmest regards> > >Sheevani> > >> > >ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > . com, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ ...> wrote:> > >>> > >> You said> > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >> Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> > >>>> > >> Thanks & Regards> > >>> > >> Chiranjiv Mehta> > >>> > >> --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > >>> > >>> > >> Sheevani <sheevani147@ ...>> > >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > >>> > >>> > >> Â> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> Dear All,> > >>> > >> Namaste,> > >>> > >> I am sorry if my remmarks about> > > death, seem flippant to you.> > >>> > >> I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > >>> > >> However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that> indicate some probability.> > >>>> > >> Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a> very natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different> level of conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > >>> > >> Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >>>> > >> The atma moves on to its next destination, hopefully it is a better> place.> > >>> > >> warmest regards> > >> Sheevani> > >>> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > >>> >> > >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> >> > >> > Namaste.> > >> >> > >> > Yes, i> > > do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations. I was> just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably thoughts> of the other world do arise.> > >> >> > >> > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > >>> >> > >> > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my exit> papers ready?.> > >> >> > >> > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > >>> >> > >> > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds> again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > >> >> > >> > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that> prevails..> > >> >> > >>> > warmest regards> > >> > Sheevani> > >> >> > >> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Shivani ji,> > >> > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth,> good -> > >> > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> > >>> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus> in case of> > >> > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> TRANSIT> > >> > > chart).> > >> > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the> DEATH CHART> > >>> > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> of judge> > >> > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the> astrologer> > >> > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > >>> > > Love and regards,> > >> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "Sheevani"> > >> > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Namaste,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th> (kantaka) from> > >>> > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> Jupiter> > >> > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both> birth> > >> > > and death]///> > >> > > >> > >>> > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > warmest regards> > >> > > > Sheevani> > >> > >> > >> >> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. http://in..> > > com/> > >>> > >> > >> >>

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मदिरालय जाने को घर से चलता है पीनेवला,'किस पथ से जाऊà¤?' असमंजस में है वह भोलाभाला,अलग-अलग पथ बतलाते सब पर मैं यह बतलाता हूठ-'राह पकड़ तू à¤à¤• चला चल, पा जाà¤à¤—ा मधà¥à¤¶à¤¾à¤²à¤¾à¥¤'। ६।

 

Spirituality. Which path to adopt and which to leave. Which Guru to adopt and whom to reject as a guru. Harivansh Rai Bachhan gave the solution "raah pakar too ek chala chal, pa jayega madhushala" (select one path and then keep tredging it with patience and finally you reach your end, your goal (if that is the goal)...

 

धरà¥à¤®à¤—à¥à¤°à¤¨à¥à¤¥ सब जला चà¥à¤•à¥€ है, जिसके अंतर की जà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤²à¤¾,मंदिर, मसजिद, गिरिजे, सब को तोड़ चà¥à¤•à¤¾ जो मतवाला,पंडित, मोमिन, पादिरयों के फंदों को जो काट चà¥à¤•à¤¾,कर सकती है आज उसी का सà¥à¤µà¤¾à¤—त मेरी मधà¥à¤¶à¤¾à¤²à¤¾à¥¤à¥¤à¥§à¥­à¥¤

One who has read all the scriptures and have understood the essence of that and one who has risen above all the doctrines of life scripted by various faiths and religions, one who has escaped from the clutches of rituals prescribed by all practitioners of faith only can reach that "madhu (honey) shala (land)"

 

It all depends on how one perceives the things. One can perceive this madhushala of Bachhan as a modern day "BAR" or one can also perceive this Madhushala as a place where one is bereft of all worries of life and reaches the end becoming a "mouji".

 

Mouj lo.....

 

best wishes

 

Manoj

 

 

 

Manoj Kumar <mouji99 Sent: Fri, April 9, 2010 11:23:06 AMRe: Re: spritual practise success/failure

 

 

Was wondering after reading all those mails about the fear, the fear of death, the fear of life, the fear of being, the fear of astrology, the fear of bearing cost of funerals, the fear of deciding the number of cars, the fear of deciding the design of coffin, the fear of selecting the kind of flowers to accompany, the fear of paying insurance premiums at time to cover this cost, the fear of what would happen to my body after me.....

 

after me.....

 

after me.....

 

when i am not there then why fear.....

 

Liberation from the 9 door cage is welcome...

 

That reminds me of a famous song...."jayen to jayen kahan....samjhega kaun yahan, dard bhare dil ki zuban"....

 

Na jeene main chain na marne....(no peace in life and no peace after death too)....

 

just some random thoughts....

 

best wishes,

 

Mouji

 

 

 

Sheevani <sheevani147@ .co. uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyThu, April 8, 2010 5:04:23 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise success/failure

Dear Bhaskar ji,Namaste,Agreed!"Amar jeev mare so kaaya," ("The self is immortal while the physical body is perishable." )warmest regardsSheevaniancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > //Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this> tapestry> called life on earth"//> > Yes however much anyone may say that "I have got fed up of my Life"> ..."I want to end my Life"... "I dont wish to live anymore"... "Oh God> lift me up please"..... in actual reality no one wishes to die, because> all of us are in fact - enjoying living .> > The mind is never lost, before death or after death. The actual

mind is> not knowing names of friends or objects of this Life. The actual mind is> knowing fear and Love.> > The newborn baby who does not recognise his mother or father, but he> recognises Love, the feed of Milk and Fear- all these aspects. Why ?> Because he carries his mind alongwith from eternity which has always> known what is Love, and fear both. A 1 year old may have no mind to know> what is good or bad, or logistics, but his mind knows fear when you> shout at him loudly, and he runs away crying to his mothers lap...> > The mind thus is never lost- the Universal Mind as well as the> Individual Mind , but the temporary mind which is created just for a> singular birth, is definitely lost after the body burns away. Here the> individual mind means recognising through vibrations the friends and> foes of the past births.. The temporary mind means the

mind which knows> about this Group, the Owner, which knows Bhaskar, Sreenadhji, Sridevi,> Vinod Khanna, Amitabh Bachhan etc. which is all related to this Birth.> > rgrds/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> <sheevani147@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Chiranjiv ji,> >> > Namaste.> >> > ///Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand./ //> >> > Haha , loved it! Hope u are not seriously suggesting I should start to> lose my marbles just yet!!> >> > Unfortunately my experience is the mind gets younger and sharper as> the body ages...> >> > I feel in youth, one has so many

commitments, expectations and> responsiblities, one is too busy in the "rat-race" to think beyond> immediate needs of one own circle.> >> > With age, the children etc are too busy with the "rat-race", so it is> excellent time to reflect on life's experiences and the mind trully> blooms..U see life from a different perspective. .with "new eyes"... the> world seems a much more pleasant place, and it is surely a great loss,> not to at least try and understand and enjoy its vibrancy.> >> > U get a bird's eye view, of a world, full of contadictions, full of> all kinds of people, each with different outlooks,talents and> personalities, the good, bad and the questionable. . every kind of> divides, race, colour, religion, language, status... there are weddings,> births and also funerals, yet despite all these divisions, everyone> seems to be in

such hurry,, but for what? ....the world goes on> unperturbed by people or events...> >> > What is the thread/bond/ energy that keeps this chaotic world going?> >> > Somehow you slowly become the spectator of life, rather than the> active participant.> >> > Why do people fear death? Do they fear no longer being part of "this> tapestry called life on earth"> >> > For me, death is just the incubation period, before the atma blooms> into another form, just like a beautiful butterfly, pupates. from a> caterpillar. .> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, chiranjiv mehta>

vchiranjiv@ wrote:> > >> > > You said> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > > Yes mind does exist unless you lose it beforehand.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > > --- On Wed, 7/4/10, Sheevani sheevani147@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sheevani sheevani147@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: spritual practise> success/failure> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, 7 April, 2010, 9:20 PM> > >> > >> > >

Â> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > I am sorry if my remmarks about death, seem flippant to you.> > >> > > I appreciate, Sreenadh's comments that the death chart and death> prashna can give the death information more accurately.> > >> > > However in the natal birthchart, there must be some hints too that> indicate some probability.> > >> > > Death for some can be an uncomfortable topic, but i see it as a very> natural progession of the soul. perhaps it is even a different level of> conciousness, like being asleep or comatose etc.> > >> > > Pain and sufferings are all due to mind and body, where body is> discared, does the mind exist?> > >> > > The atma moves on to

its next destination, hopefully it is a better> place.> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> <sheevani147@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste.> > > >> > > > Yes, i do appreciate it cant be due to just one or 2 combinations.> I was just laughing at myself.. it is jupiter in 8H MD, so inevitably> thoughts of the other world do arise.> > > >> > > > Also my 9L is AK sun, placed in kendra yuti ketu venus and> mercury, Sun is also vargottama.> > > >> > > > Current transits, jupiter moving to pisces on 2nd may 2010, so i> was laughing at myself, saying,, the time is right, so do i get my

exit> papers ready?.> > > >> > > > Of course, i know, that is not likely to happen until all karmic> debts are cleared during my Shani MD..> > > >> > > > What a pity, I shall have to wait till jupiter does his rounds> again in pisces in 12 Years time..> > > >> > > > I also believe that it ultimately the grace of God that prevails..> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog"> <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shivani ji,> > > > > If such a combination is present at the time of your birth, good> -> > > > > you have a possibility. But for it to manifest finally, such a> >

> > > combination should be present at the time of your DEATH (Thus in> case of> > > > > death the said quote is not about natal chart, but about the> TRANSIT> > > > > chart).> > > > > Or in other words, if such a combination is present at the DEATH> CHART> > > > > or if such a combination is present in the PRASHNA CHART (done> of judge> > > > > whether the dead native will attain moksha or not) - then the> astrologer> > > > > tells to the relatives that the native attained "Moksha Gati".> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sheevani"> > > > > <sheevani147@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > ///[if Jupiter is exalted in 6th, 8th or 12th or in 7th> (kantaka) from> > > > > lagna; or if the death happens while it is Pisces sign and> Jupiter> > > > > placed there then Moksha can be predicted. This applies to both> birth> > > > > and death]///> > > > > >> > > > > > I should be so lucky!!! Also there are 4 grahas on 7H too.> > > > > >> > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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