Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Sir, Roughly translated it means that our sages identified the various type of energy being emitted from the planets; they also identified animate and inanimate objects corresponding to these energies and established a relationship between the two. Such forms of energy is are represented by various Goddesss(Devi) and Gods(Devta) in india. classification of objects qua planets according to lalkitab is in accordance with this principle. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Kulbir jee, > > I did not fully understand the transliterated message, but that is not your fault! Thanks for sharing! > > The 'sense' I got was that in Lal-Kitab the planets perhaps were visualized as the Devas-- energy_forms! > > Speaking of Siddhants, recently we had been hearing of there being a Surya Siddhanta-based calculations of planets and these often end up giving 'placements' different from what most of us are used to, the ones that use software and ephemeris and Swiss and NASA-JPL routines. > > Perhaps " Lal-Kitab " users should look into exploring if their results are more in tune with Surya Siddhanta calculations, etc...! > > Just a thought!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra // > > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; > > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai. > > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai. > > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai. > > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " . > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > > > > roam > > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Neelamji,lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain! Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. Regards to you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Rahu transiting over natal Rahu.Will be interesting. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:48 PM Dear Neelamji,lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam 2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.Regards to you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.RegardsNeelam 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Anita Ji, It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children. Regards, Vidya , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. > Regards to you, > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM >  > > > Dear Anita ji, > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. > > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > Regards, > > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM >  > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > >  > > > > > > manoj ji > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, >  > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  Vidya <vidyakmr > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > >  > > Dear Deep Ji, > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > Vidya > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > regards > > deep > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > interesting! > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do > I > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Vidya ji,// It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children.//Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr Dear Anita Ji, It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children. Regards, Vidya , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. > Regards to you, > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. > > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > Regards, > > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > >  > > > > > > manoj ji > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, >  > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > >  > > Dear Deep Ji, > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > Vidya > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > regards > > deep > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > interesting! > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do > I > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several "goat & > sheep" like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind.> If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > >> >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just> > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion" like child> > then several "goat & sheep" like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > <%40>,> > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son.> > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise> > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do"> > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an> > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava> > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > <%40>> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > >> > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo> > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth> > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under> > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it> > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus> > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of> > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > >> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a> > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter> > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant> > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful> > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where> > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are> > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter> > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his> > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > >> > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations.> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > >> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who> > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.> > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination> > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh> > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money, energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided. Vidya , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vidya ji, > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > sheep " like children.// > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > Regards, > > Vidya > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > nashaya. > > > Regards to you, > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > >  > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > situations!! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > great > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > What do > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge failures. Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this deadly experiment. Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. This is not to mention ethics! RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > sheep " like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > > > >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > then several " goat & sheep " like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > <%40>, > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > <%40> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >  > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter> > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > > > > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-) > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Vidya ji, Whatever planning one may do, with ordinary folks like us, we cannot produce that only one unless he is destined to be so. It can be done, by those who only copulate for children. It can be done by those who read the Shastras and abide by the rules when to copulate. This also means that the rest of the time when it is not advised to have sex, the couple must stay away. Is this possible in todays world ? This is also possible because I know certain men of older generations in villages in andhra who used to sleep with their wife only two times of the year. they were real contenders of giving birth to the " One " . But unfortunately they have not read the shastras and those chapters which instruct when to copulate for the best category of children. regards/Bhaskar. , " Vidya " <vidyakmr wrote: > > > Dear Neelam Ji, > > I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money, energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided. > > Vidya > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > > sheep " like children.// > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > > nashaya. > > > > Regards to you, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > >  > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > > What do > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Sure Vidya ji. Please take my comments in lighter vein!:-)I think PRODUCE is a very sensitive word.RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr Dear Neelam Ji, I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money, energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided. Vidya , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vidya ji, > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > sheep " like children.// > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > Regards, > > Vidya > > > > > > <%40>, > > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > nashaya. > > > Regards to you, > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > <%40> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > >  > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > situations!! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > great > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > What do > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Members, Just to add to what has been mentioned almost 70 to 80% of the food sold in the supermarket has already been genetically modified. Obviously the government thinks this will help feed majority of the population. Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse we will a higher price for it. Regards, Vidya , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > failures. > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this > deadly experiment. > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe. > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. > This is not to mention ethics! > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > Regards, > > gopi. > > * > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat > > & > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > humankind. > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > daughter.:-)I > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > sons..Well we > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like > > child > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, > > In > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 > > son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child > > since > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to > > arise > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > hamare do " > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in > > 5th and > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her > > as > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako > > bhava > > > > nashaya. > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > beyond > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in > > fifth > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > lord > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > parent > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > ultimate > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > the > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > is > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > >  > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > Jupiter > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have > > seen > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have > > deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > beautiful > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces > > ,where > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls > > can > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which > > are > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in > > virgo > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is > > always > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while > > jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter > > takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being > > both > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. > > No > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > wrong! > > > > What do > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If > > so > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Neelam ji,i know but when YOU say that everybody should agree...to the TRUTH...Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge> failures.> > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic> engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM> crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor> farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this> deadly experiment.> > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a> counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but> the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.> > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A> genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its> normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many> natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its> neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and> wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would> probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size,> could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared> that this organism will lead to the extinction of others.> > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence.> This is not to mention ethics!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //> > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..> > Regards,> > gopi.> > *> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vidya ji,> > >> > > // It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several "goat> > & > > > sheep" like children.//> > >> > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of> > humankind.> > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > >> > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one> > daughter.:-)I> > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just> > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > > > considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple> > sons..Well we> > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion" like> > child> > > > then several "goat & sheep" like children.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Vidya> > > >> > > >> > > > > > <%40>,> >> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer,> > In> > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1> > son.> > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child> > since> > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to> > arise> > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do> > hamare do"> > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an> > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in> > 5th and> > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her> > as> > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako> > bhava> > > > nashaya.> > > > > Regards to you,> > > > > Anita> > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > <%40>> >> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > >> > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > > > >> > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo> > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy> > beyond> > > > any doubt.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in> > fifth> > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be> > under> > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said> > lord> > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would> > it> > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the> > parent> > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > manoj ji> > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of> > ultimate> > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to> > dhanus> > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after> > the> > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership> > of> > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> > > >> > > > >> > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus> > is> > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > > Â> > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a> > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of> > Jupiter> > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have> > seen> > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have> > deviant> > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > Regards,> > > > >  -Manoj> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > > > >> > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so> > beautiful> > > > the way you put it. Thanks> > > > >> > > > > Vidya> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > >> > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces> > ,where> > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2> > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls> > can> > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which> > are> > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in> > virgo> > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is> > always> > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while> > jupiter> > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> > > >> > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > > >> > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may> > his> > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > >> > > > > > regards> > > > > > deep> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter> > takes> > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > >> > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > > > relationships)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > > > situations!!> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > > > general considerations.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > > > interesting!> > > > > >> > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being> > both> > > > great> > > > > >> > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other.> > No> > > > planet is> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who> > > > were sent> > > > > >> > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely> > wrong!> > > > What do> > > > > I> > > > > >> > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil> > asuras.> > > > And> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If> > so> > > > then why> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?> > Combination> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > > > unafflcited, for> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh> > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy> > camps ?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have> > darshan of> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Vidya ji, Population is not the problem, but the Governance is. We are paying huge taxes to the government as business men and as professionals. The revenue is not bifercated and allocated in proper sources rather dispersed in more money making projects where the money is filtered back to those in power for their personal use. We are a self sufficent country but dependance is forced on us due to wrong, unethical commercial laws and keepers of the Central and State treasuries. If this money is not used for the ministers personal gains, amenities and for a few ones seated in high places, a lot more of the public would be benefitted. More and more schemes being floated, unnecessary constructions being made, tenders flouted where the rates are too exhorbitant and those who get the same have already been chosen before the Cover is opened. Nobody cares for the business man, Common man and the farmers or those who have no contacts with those in governance. Too mucn of imports allowed, too much of exports for basic commodities which is needed in India itself. How we are surviving only God knows. the country is being sold again and again off its resources by these in powers. Population is very much necessary. otherwise after few decades we will have to hire men as armies from other countries to fight against our enemies. In any case the earth is given a limit for weight. Neither will its weight be allowed to go up, and neither down. And india has got sufficient natural resources to take care of its population if good men are seated in power. Already we are facing a crunch in case of Subordinate category staff. In almost all cities of india one will be having a perpetual problem of servants in his house. No house maids, no houseboys, no peons at office. Every where everyone is being educated, and every one has enough work, so whats the problem if we have more population. regards/Bhaskar. -- In , " Vidya " <vidyakmr wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Just to add to what has been mentioned almost 70 to 80% of the food sold in the supermarket has already been genetically modified. Obviously the government thinks this will help feed majority of the population. Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse we will a higher price for it. > > Regards, > Vidya > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > > failures. > > > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this > > deadly experiment. > > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe. > > > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. > > This is not to mention ethics! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > * > > > , neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat > > > & > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > > humankind. > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > > daughter.:-)I > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > > sons..Well we > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like > > > child > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, > > > In > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 > > > son. > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child > > > since > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to > > > arise > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > > hamare do " > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in > > > 5th and > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her > > > as > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako > > > bhava > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > beyond > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in > > > fifth > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > under > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > lord > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > it > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > parent > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > > ultimate > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > dhanus > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > the > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > of > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > is > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > >  > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > > Jupiter > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have > > > seen > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have > > > deviant > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > > beautiful > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces > > > ,where > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls > > > can > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which > > > are > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in > > > virgo > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is > > > always > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while > > > jupiter > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > his > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter > > > takes > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being > > > both > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. > > > No > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > wrong! > > > > > What do > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > > asuras. > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If > > > so > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > Combination > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 May be Gopi ji, such technologies like Genetic Engineering have brought earlier civilisations to end!Who knows, Dinosaurs could have been genetically modified creatures who then ate up the entire earth millions of years ago! And then died themselves of starvation? Wild thoughts...!:-)RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Neelam ji,i know but when YOU say that everybody should agree...to the TRUTH...Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge> failures.> > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic> engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor> farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this> deadly experiment.> > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but> the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.> > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its> normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many> natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and> wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would> probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared> that this organism will lead to the extinction of others.> > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. > This is not to mention ethics!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji, > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //> > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..> > Regards,> > gopi.> > *> > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vidya ji,> > >> > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat> > & > > > sheep " like children.//> > >> > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of> > humankind.> > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@> >> > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > >> > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one> > daughter.:-)I > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just> > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > sons..Well we> > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like> > child> > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Vidya> > > >> > > >> > > > > > <%40>,> >> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer,> > In> > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1> > son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child> > since> > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to > > arise> > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do> > hamare do " > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an> > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in> > 5th and> > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her > > as> > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako> > bhava> > > > nashaya.> > > > > Regards to you,> > > > > Anita > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > <%40>> >> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > >> > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo> > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > beyond> > > > any doubt.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in> > fifth> > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > > > Regards, > > > > >> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > under> > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > >> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > lord> > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would> > it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the> > parent> > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Anita> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > manoj ji> > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > ultimate> > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to> > dhanus> > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > the> > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership> > of> > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > >> > > > >> > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus> > is> > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > >  > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a> > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of> > Jupiter> > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have > > seen> > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have> > deviant> > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > Regards,> > > > >  -Manoj> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > >> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > >> > > > > Â> > > > >> > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > >> > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so> > beautiful> > > > the way you put it. Thanks> > > > >> > > > > Vidya > > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > >> > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces > > ,where> > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2> > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls> > can > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which> > are> > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in> > virgo > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is> > always> > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while> > jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> > > >> > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may> > his> > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > >> > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > >> > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter> > takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > >> > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > relationships)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > > > situations!! > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > > > general considerations.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > > > interesting! > > > > > >> > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being> > both> > > > great> > > > > >> > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other.> > No > > > > planet is> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent> > > > > >> > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely> > wrong!> > > > What do> > > > > I > > > > > >> > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > asuras.> > > > And> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If> > so> > > > then why > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?> > Combination> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > > > unafflcited, for> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > camps ?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > darshan of> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage.> > > > http://in.. com/> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Vidya ji, 'Lion', 'goat', 'sheep' - these are labels that we attach. To the MAKER, they are all equally precious is what I believe and a Mother knows that each one of them is " Gods greatest gift to me " - as Anita ji has beautifully put it! Regards, Nandini , " Vidya " <vidyakmr wrote: > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > Regards, > Vidya > > > > > , Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. > > Regards to you, > > Anita > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. > > > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > >  > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > >  > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > >  > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > > > Vidya > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > regards > > > deep > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > interesting! > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do > > I > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear All, Please take this posting of mine lightly :-) But sochiyay jara, it took mother nature some 100000 years of experimental manipulation and what some may call (Neti Neti multifactorial experimentation!) and still She could not produce a perfect human being. What is 20 or 200 (or whenever Mendel started playing around with peas!) years! It is my belief that genetic engineering (treatment of diseases and negative traits! [i do not mean producing an entire clone! One step at a time!!] will become growingly acceptable and I only hope the Biotechnology Industry does not jump in too readily smacking their greedy lips and their hand counting the change in their pocket books in their back-pockets! RR_, , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > failures. > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this > deadly experiment. > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe. > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. > This is not to mention ethics! > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > Regards, > > gopi. > > * > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat > > & > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > humankind. > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > daughter.:-)I > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > sons..Well we > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like > > child > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, > > In > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 > > son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child > > since > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to > > arise > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > hamare do " > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in > > 5th and > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her > > as > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako > > bhava > > > > nashaya. > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > beyond > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in > > fifth > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > lord > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > parent > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > ultimate > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > the > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > is > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > >  > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > Jupiter > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have > > seen > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have > > deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > beautiful > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces > > ,where > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls > > can > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which > > are > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in > > virgo > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is > > always > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while > > jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter > > takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being > > both > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. > > No > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > wrong! > > > > What do > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If > > so > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Nandini, I sincerely believe that children come to us, not randomly, but in some ways fulfilling some very intense and intimate needs for the parents and children. Yes, it is natural for all of us to hope, pray and wish for the perfect rajkumari or rajkumar (not in the sense of the bald actor with a deep, resonating voice! " NEELKAMAL...! " but you were perhaps too young to watch that or Mother India!) -- but such is God's plan that even Scriptural Emperors suffered much mental anguish at the hand of their Prince Charmings! It is natural for parents to expect and pin too much cathexis into their children seen as successes. Each child comes with challenges and being older if not wiser, the parent's duty and Dharma is to compare where the child is today with where he or she was 'yesterday'. Then the 'child' does not remain just a 'medal' or possession, but a living and loving success story, in his or her own rights and of his or her parents! Easier said than done as any parent who has a special child with special lessons for himself and his or her parents. Sorry if I am beginning to wax philosophical ...! Rohiniranjan , " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote: > > Dear Vidya ji, > > 'Lion', 'goat', 'sheep' - these are labels that we attach. To the MAKER, they are all equally precious is what I believe and a Mother knows that each one of them is " Gods greatest gift to me " - as Anita ji has beautifully put it! > > Regards, > Nandini > > , " Vidya " <vidyakmr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > Regards, > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > , Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. > > > Regards to you, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > >  > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > >  > > > Regards, > > >  -Manoj > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 It was not genetic engineering, Neelam, but the MAD SCIENTIST ;-) The one who was trying to create the truly UNIVERSAL SOLVENT without first figuring out where he (women never make such impractical mistakes :-)) was going to store it! Another innovative technology that could not be controlled or contained! Regards, Rohiniranjan , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > May be Gopi ji, such technologies like Genetic Engineering have brought > earlier civilisations to end! > Who knows, Dinosaurs could have been genetically modified creatures who then > ate up the entire earth millions of years ago! > And then died themselves of starvation? > > Wild thoughts...!:-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > > > > > > > *Neelam ji, > > i know but when YOU say that everybody should agree...to the TRUTH... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > * > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > > > failures. > > > > > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the > > GM > > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of > > this > > > deadly experiment. > > > > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but > > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very > > ripe. > > > > > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. > > A > > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than > > its > > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so > > many > > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its > > size, > > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared > > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > > > > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to > > existence. > > > This is not to mention ethics! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > * > > > > , neelam gupta > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several > > " goat > > > > & > > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > > > humankind. > > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > > > daughter.:-)I > > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say > > way..Just > > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women > > was > > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > > > sons..Well we > > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " > > like > > > > child > > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family > > astrologer, > > > > In > > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has > > 1 > > > > son. > > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second > > child > > > > since > > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in > > 5th > > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief > > to > > > > arise > > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > > > hamare do " > > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was > > considered an > > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru > > in > > > > 5th and > > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider > > her > > > > as > > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for > > karako > > > > bhava > > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the > > cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have > > been > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani > > Karo > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their > > fallacy > > > > beyond > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far > > as I > > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru > > in > > > > fifth > > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will > > be > > > > under > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you > > said > > > > lord > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, > > is > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, > > would > > > > it > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first > > born > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > parent > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > > > ultimate > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > dhanus > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking > > after > > > > the > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the > > ownership > > > > of > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house > > venus > > > > is > > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not > > a > > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV > > have > > > > deviant > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > > > beautiful > > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen > > thakkar > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  > > uniting 2 > > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in > > pisces > > > > ,where > > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and > > also 2 > > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 > > souls > > > > can > > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious > > which > > > > are > > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility > > in > > > > virgo > > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student > > is > > > > always > > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude > > while > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and > > may > > > > his > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter > > > > takes > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about > > the > > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > > gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). > > Being > > > > both > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each > > other. > > > > No > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children > > who > > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > wrong! > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<ancient_ > > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > > > asuras. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? > > If > > > > so > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > Combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Not to mention, hoarding and mal-distribution across the world. I sadly something that I was once informed about: It was early 80s (I could be off by few years) when Mother Theresa was visiting North America. In one city that she was visiting one of the huge warehouses was required to throw away a large supply of milk (thousands of litres!) just because the refrigeration units were out of whack by a few degrees! Lamenting on this WASTAGE, her comment was: This milk that is getting thrown away but could have fed many needy children and infants elsewhere! However the country's regulations decreed: If it is not good for our children, it cannot be exported to other countries. Somehow the " logic " and 'ethic' while right on one hand, made me wonder if it was the BEST SOLUTION! But what does an 'ant' know ... RR_, , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vidya ji, > > //Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > we will a higher price for it.// > > Please do your homework before making such statements. You are not aware of > the reality. There is no dearth of food even with the population size we > have now. Mother earth still has enough only if we set our priorities right. > Do you realise the types of imbalances created by the developed nations and > their irrational consumption and consumerism? > > Do you know that a moderate decline in the meat-eating could lead to the > eventual end of world hunger. Do you know that currently 70 per cent of all > grain grown in the world goes to feed livestock rather than people. 75 per > cent of grain exported to poor nations goes to feeding livestock, which are > then exported back to industrial countries as meat. Instead of being used to > combat hunger in the worst areas, the grain is simply returning to its place > of origin in wealthy countries. > > If the whole world ate a vegetarian diet and cut out all dairy products and > eggs, the world's population could be fed on one quarter of the land used at > present! > > A long journey, centuries have passed and mankind is still toying with the > idea of a peaceful co-existence with other animals (lets face it, we are > just better dressed than other animals). But we have never been able to > summon enough self control to fight the temptation of meat. Should we dread > the day when some other specie will become more powerful… and then our > shanks will be in danger! > > Hope you get the point. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Just to add to what has been mentioned almost 70 to 80% of the food sold > in the supermarket has already been genetically modified. Obviously the > government thinks this will help feed majority of the population. > Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > we will a higher price for it. > > > > Regards, > > Vidya > > > > , neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > > > failures. > > > > > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now > the GM > > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of > this > > > deadly experiment. > > > > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is > a > > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before > but > > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very > ripe. > > > > > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. > A > > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than > its > > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so > many > > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its > size, > > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are > scared > > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > > > > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to > existence. > > > This is not to mention ethics! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > * > > > > , neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several > " goat > > > > & > > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > > > humankind. > > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > > > daughter.:-)I > > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say > way..Just > > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women > was > > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > > > sons..Well we > > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " > like > > > > child > > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family > astrologer, > > > > In > > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she > has 1 > > > > son. > > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second > child > > > > since > > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in > 5th > > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this > belief to > > > > arise > > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science > children > > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > > > hamare do " > > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was > considered an > > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru > in > > > > 5th and > > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I > consider her > > > > as > > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for > karako > > > > bhava > > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the > cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have > been > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani > Karo > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their > fallacy > > > > beyond > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far > as I > > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru > in > > > > fifth > > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will > be > > > > under > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you > said > > > > lord > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, > is > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, > would > > > > it > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first > born > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the > the > > > > parent > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > > > ultimate > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > dhanus > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking > after > > > > the > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the > ownership > > > > of > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house > venus > > > > is > > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is > not a > > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I > have > > > > seen > > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV > have > > > > deviant > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > > > beautiful > > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen > thakkar > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  > uniting 2 > > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in > pisces > > > > ,where > > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and > also 2 > > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 > souls > > > > can > > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious > which > > > > are > > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility > in > > > > virgo > > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student > is > > > > always > > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude > while > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and > may > > > > his > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! > Jupiter > > > > takes > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth > (3/11 > > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about > the > > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). > Being > > > > both > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each > other. > > > > No > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their > children who > > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be > entirely > > > > wrong! > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<ancient_ > > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > > > asuras. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other > ? If > > > > so > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > Combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 I think this is the saddest part of being a human being is when you see so much EXCESS WASTAGE in one part of the world while the rest of the world's large population maybe starving to death.. What type of collective karmas do these nation have to suffer like this..It will be interesting and worthwhile looking into the nations birth charts. It's a shame despite having the finest technology and modern marvel we can't even take care of the basics. Vidya , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Not to mention, hoarding and mal-distribution across the world. I sadly something that I was once informed about: > > It was early 80s (I could be off by few years) when Mother Theresa was visiting North America. In one city that she was visiting one of the huge warehouses was required to throw away a large supply of milk (thousands of litres!) just because the refrigeration units were out of whack by a few degrees! Lamenting on this WASTAGE, her comment was: This milk that is getting thrown away but could have fed many needy children and infants elsewhere! > > However the country's regulations decreed: If it is not good for our children, it cannot be exported to other countries. > > Somehow the " logic " and 'ethic' while right on one hand, made me wonder if it was the BEST SOLUTION! But what does an 'ant' know ... > > RR_, > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > //Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > > we will a higher price for it.// > > > > Please do your homework before making such statements. You are not aware of > > the reality. There is no dearth of food even with the population size we > > have now. Mother earth still has enough only if we set our priorities right. > > Do you realise the types of imbalances created by the developed nations and > > their irrational consumption and consumerism? > > > > Do you know that a moderate decline in the meat-eating could lead to the > > eventual end of world hunger. Do you know that currently 70 per cent of all > > grain grown in the world goes to feed livestock rather than people. 75 per > > cent of grain exported to poor nations goes to feeding livestock, which are > > then exported back to industrial countries as meat. Instead of being used to > > combat hunger in the worst areas, the grain is simply returning to its place > > of origin in wealthy countries. > > > > If the whole world ate a vegetarian diet and cut out all dairy products and > > eggs, the world's population could be fed on one quarter of the land used at > > present! > > > > A long journey, centuries have passed and mankind is still toying with the > > idea of a peaceful co-existence with other animals (lets face it, we are > > just better dressed than other animals). But we have never been able to > > summon enough self control to fight the temptation of meat. Should we dread > > the day when some other specie will become more powerful… and then our > > shanks will be in danger! > > > > Hope you get the point. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Just to add to what has been mentioned almost 70 to 80% of the food sold > > in the supermarket has already been genetically modified. Obviously the > > government thinks this will help feed majority of the population. > > Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > > we will a higher price for it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vidya > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > > > > failures. > > > > > > > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > > > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now > > the GM > > > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > > > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of > > this > > > > deadly experiment. > > > > > > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is > > a > > > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before > > but > > > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very > > ripe. > > > > > > > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. > > A > > > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than > > its > > > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so > > many > > > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > > > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > > > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > > > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its > > size, > > > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are > > scared > > > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > > > > > > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to > > existence. > > > > This is not to mention ethics! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > * > > > > > , neelam gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several > > " goat > > > > > & > > > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > > > > humankind. > > > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > > > > daughter.:-)I > > > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say > > way..Just > > > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women > > was > > > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > > > > sons..Well we > > > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " > > like > > > > > child > > > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family > > astrologer, > > > > > In > > > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she > > has 1 > > > > > son. > > > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second > > child > > > > > since > > > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in > > 5th > > > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this > > belief to > > > > > arise > > > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science > > children > > > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > > > > hamare do " > > > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was > > considered an > > > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru > > in > > > > > 5th and > > > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I > > consider her > > > > > as > > > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for > > karako > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the > > cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have > > been > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani > > Karo > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their > > fallacy > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far > > as I > > > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru > > in > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will > > be > > > > > under > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you > > said > > > > > lord > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, > > is > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, > > would > > > > > it > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first > > born > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the > > the > > > > > parent > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking > > after > > > > > the > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the > > ownership > > > > > of > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house > > venus > > > > > is > > > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is > > not a > > > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I > > have > > > > > seen > > > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV > > have > > > > > deviant > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen > > thakkar > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  > > uniting 2 > > > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in > > pisces > > > > > ,where > > > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and > > also 2 > > > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 > > souls > > > > > can > > > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious > > which > > > > > are > > > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility > > in > > > > > virgo > > > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student > > is > > > > > always > > > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude > > while > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and > > may > > > > > his > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! > > Jupiter > > > > > takes > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth > > (3/11 > > > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about > > the > > > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > > gupta > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). > > Being > > > > > both > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each > > other. > > > > > No > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their > > children who > > > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be > > entirely > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com<ancient_ > > > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > > > > asuras. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other > > ? If > > > > > so > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > > > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > > > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Vidya, Why must one naturally assume that the 'infraction' as viewed by us would be the one an only make or break punishable ACT? Karma is a very complex concept despite the oversimplifications applied to it (eye for an eye and so on!). Just because there is a wonderful library full of gems from the YORE, if ignored and ill-kempt -- silverfish may or perhaps shall appear! OVER TIME! That is why the wise Indians believed in the ORAL TRADITION! Pretty much gone forever from what I see! :-( RR_, , " Vidya " <vidyakmr wrote: > > I think this is the saddest part of being a human being is when you see so much EXCESS WASTAGE in one part of the world while the rest of the world's large population maybe starving to death.. What type of collective karmas do these nation have to suffer like this..It will be interesting and worthwhile looking into the nations birth charts. It's a shame despite having the finest technology and modern marvel we can't even take care of the basics. > > Vidya > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Not to mention, hoarding and mal-distribution across the world. I sadly something that I was once informed about: > > > > It was early 80s (I could be off by few years) when Mother Theresa was visiting North America. In one city that she was visiting one of the huge warehouses was required to throw away a large supply of milk (thousands of litres!) just because the refrigeration units were out of whack by a few degrees! Lamenting on this WASTAGE, her comment was: This milk that is getting thrown away but could have fed many needy children and infants elsewhere! > > > > However the country's regulations decreed: If it is not good for our children, it cannot be exported to other countries. > > > > Somehow the " logic " and 'ethic' while right on one hand, made me wonder if it was the BEST SOLUTION! But what does an 'ant' know ... > > > > RR_, > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > //Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > > > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > > > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > > > we will a higher price for it.// > > > > > > Please do your homework before making such statements. You are not aware of > > > the reality. There is no dearth of food even with the population size we > > > have now. Mother earth still has enough only if we set our priorities right. > > > Do you realise the types of imbalances created by the developed nations and > > > their irrational consumption and consumerism? > > > > > > Do you know that a moderate decline in the meat-eating could lead to the > > > eventual end of world hunger. Do you know that currently 70 per cent of all > > > grain grown in the world goes to feed livestock rather than people. 75 per > > > cent of grain exported to poor nations goes to feeding livestock, which are > > > then exported back to industrial countries as meat. Instead of being used to > > > combat hunger in the worst areas, the grain is simply returning to its place > > > of origin in wealthy countries. > > > > > > If the whole world ate a vegetarian diet and cut out all dairy products and > > > eggs, the world's population could be fed on one quarter of the land used at > > > present! > > > > > > A long journey, centuries have passed and mankind is still toying with the > > > idea of a peaceful co-existence with other animals (lets face it, we are > > > just better dressed than other animals). But we have never been able to > > > summon enough self control to fight the temptation of meat. Should we dread > > > the day when some other specie will become more powerful… and then our > > > shanks will be in danger! > > > > > > Hope you get the point. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Just to add to what has been mentioned almost 70 to 80% of the food sold > > > in the supermarket has already been genetically modified. Obviously the > > > government thinks this will help feed majority of the population. > > > Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > > > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > > > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > > > we will a higher price for it. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > > > > > failures. > > > > > > > > > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > > > > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now > > > the GM > > > > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > > > > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of > > > this > > > > > deadly experiment. > > > > > > > > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is > > > a > > > > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before > > > but > > > > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very > > > ripe. > > > > > > > > > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. > > > A > > > > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than > > > its > > > > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so > > > many > > > > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > > > > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > > > > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > > > > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its > > > size, > > > > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are > > > scared > > > > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > > > > > > > > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to > > > existence. > > > > > This is not to mention ethics! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > > > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > * > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several > > > " goat > > > > > > & > > > > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > > > > > humankind. > > > > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > > > > > daughter.:-)I > > > > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say > > > way..Just > > > > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women > > > was > > > > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > > > > > sons..Well we > > > > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " > > > like > > > > > > child > > > > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family > > > astrologer, > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she > > > has 1 > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second > > > child > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in > > > 5th > > > > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this > > > belief to > > > > > > arise > > > > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science > > > children > > > > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > > > > > hamare do " > > > > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was > > > considered an > > > > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru > > > in > > > > > > 5th and > > > > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I > > > consider her > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for > > > karako > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the > > > cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have > > > been > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani > > > Karo > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their > > > fallacy > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far > > > as I > > > > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru > > > in > > > > > > fifth > > > > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will > > > be > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you > > > said > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, > > > is > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, > > > would > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first > > > born > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the > > > the > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking > > > after > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the > > > ownership > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house > > > venus > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is > > > not a > > > > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I > > > have > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV > > > have > > > > > > deviant > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen > > > thakkar > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  > > > uniting 2 > > > > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in > > > pisces > > > > > > ,where > > > > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and > > > also 2 > > > > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 > > > souls > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious > > > which > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility > > > in > > > > > > virgo > > > > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student > > > is > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude > > > while > > > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and > > > may > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! > > > Jupiter > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth > > > (3/11 > > > > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about > > > the > > > > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > > > gupta > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). > > > Being > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each > > > other. > > > > > > No > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their > > > children who > > > > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be > > > entirely > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > > com<ancient_ > > > > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > > > > > asuras. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other > > > ? If > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > > > > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > > > > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Mehta ji,MOreover, she has kodanda rahu and her rahu dasa is coming to an end in dec 2010.Regards,Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 12:46 PM Rahu transiting over natal Rahu.Will be interesting. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:48 PM Dear Neelamji,lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam 2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.Regards to you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.RegardsNeelam 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Vidya ji,I whole heartedly agree.Love,Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Vidya <vidyakmr wrote:Vidya <vidyakmr Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 2:52 PM Dear Anita Ji, It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-) I come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several "goat & sheep" like children. Regards, Vidya ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. > Regards to you, > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. > > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > Regards, > > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ . co.in> wrote: > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@ . co.in> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > >  > > > > > > manoj ji > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, >  > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > >  > > Dear Deep Ji, > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > Vidya > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > regards > > deep > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > interesting! > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do > I > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, You must be talking of cloning. But thanks to advances in science, many childless couples have been blessed with children through invitro fertilisation, artificial insemination, fertility treatment etc. SO the entire effort has not exactly been a waste. But if our scientists were to dabble with creating life in a laboratory, that would be a failure certainly?Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 4:42 PM Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge failures. Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this deadly experiment. Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. This is not to mention ethics! RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several "goat & > sheep" like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > > > >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-) I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion" like child > > then several "goat & sheep" like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>, > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do"> > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >  > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter> > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > > > > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-) > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Anita ji, With a 1 in 5 chance of success, while I have nothing against IVF, etc, why would you call that procedure as anything but experimental and not something done in a " laboratory " ? Would YOU or anyone be willing to accept a rather EXPENSIVE Jyotish Remedy with a 20% likelihood of success and not complain? Or one of the other 'remedies' that may not cost so much but create inconvenience? Like feeding one hundred cows if you are living in New York City? Or Hongkong?? Rohiniranjan <<Desh -- Kaal, I suppose!>> , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > You must be talking of cloning. But thanks to advances in science, many childless couples have been blessed with children through invitro fertilisation, artificial insemination, fertility treatment etc. SO the entire effort has not exactly been a waste. But if our scientists were to dabble with creating life in a laboratory, that would be a failure certainly? > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 4:42 PM >  > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge failures. > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this deadly experiment. > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and > minerals are gone long before but the fruit stays healthy as > a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe. > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was > so strong and took so many natural resources out of the environment > that it killed off all its neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal > fish, and wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot > of food. It would probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. > This, coupled with its size, could lead to the destruction of the > ecosystem. Now scientists are scared that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. This is not to mention ethics! > > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > // Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > Regards, > gopi. > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > > sheep " like children.// > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-) I > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>, > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > > > nashaya. > > > > Regards to you, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com> > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > >  > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  -Manoj > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > > What do > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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