Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Ji, "Hence Venus gets exalted here." This is what used by ancient tantra technique as well as starting point to start yaatra to reach at highly spiritual level. ------------------ Regards, Devisingh Bhaskar wrote: Dear friends, Venus is the karaka of Love. Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ? Let us not talk in symbols, philosphy and exoteric at times and get to real hard facts. I repeat- Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ? Answer - On the Bed where the couple meets in Physical Union. Which house in the Horoscope represents the Bed pleasures and comfort ? Answer -The 12th House. In the natural Horoscope who represents the 12th House and sign ? Answer - Pisces, with the Lord as Jupiter. Hence Jupiter gets exalted here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Rohini Ji and Members,I would like clear some details in regards to the 2nd person..I meant his Rahu is in 5th House sign virgo aspecting his venus in 11th House sign Pisces. Venus conjucts ketu in Pisces in 11th house..There is no other aspects to Venus besides the nodes..This person is not legally divorced yet, just separated.. Yes even during his marriage he had some affairs. I have the birth details below if anyone wants to look into it.5th March 1978 @ 11:00 am., Lima ( 79W 16'00'' 5S42'00'')Vidya , "rohinicrystal" <rohini_ranjan wrote:>> Vidya,> > Did you mean "during"? Because you did not mention anything about the divorce -- in the second example you spoke about! Also, you taught me today that Rahu has an '8th' aspect like mars!> > Rohiniranjan> > <<NB: Please note that I have dropped the 'ji' as per your 'nok-jhonk' with Bhaskar Bhai -- even though I have three wonderful Bhatijees already but there is always room for more daughters in Jyotish ...>>> > , "Vidya" vidyakmr@ wrote:> >> > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > You maybe right about the affliction part as I personally came to know 2 people with exalted Venus. > > First person has Venus exalted in Lagna with moon's aspect from 7th house and has no affliction to Venus. He is 32 years of age and actually a very pious, dharmic man but he is still struggling to find a wife with "good character". Must be a hard thing in this day and age. > > > > The 2nd person has exalted Venus in 11th house but with rahu's malefic aspects from 4th house. He is married but very unhappy in marriage..He's had several other failed relationship in life before and after marriage.> > > > Regards> > Vidya> > > > > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions).> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > Vidya <vidyakmr@>> > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > > Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > >  > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks> > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > > > > regards> > > > deep> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Sirs, How lucky were these ancients. They had the power of both- " Sense " as well as the " Sensual " . Sensing the senselessness of todays young breed who have unleashed access to the sensual in its base form, the jyotish ancients have also given the power of punishment to the 12th house for those who indulge in such wanton senselessness. The 12th house will also land them on the other type of bed, if they misuse this bed by too much use of same. regards/Bhaskar. , devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar Ji, > > " Hence Venus gets exalted here. " > This is what used by ancient tantra technique as well as starting point > to start yaatra to reach at highly spiritual level. > > ------------------ > Regards, > Devisingh > > Bhaskar wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Venus is the karaka of Love. > > > > Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ? > > > > Let us not talk in symbols, philosphy and exoteric at times and get to > > real hard facts. > > > > I repeat- > > > > Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ? > > > > Answer - On the Bed where the couple meets in Physical Union. > > > > Which house in the Horoscope represents the Bed pleasures and comfort ? > > > > Answer -The 12th House. > > > > In the natural Horoscope who represents the 12th House and sign ? > > > > Answer - Pisces, with the Lord as Jupiter. > > > > Hence Jupiter gets exalted here. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Ji; Pt; Roop Chand Joshi is generally written as such but Pt. Ji. paid a great attention to minute details. He wrote his names spellings as Rup Chand Joshi; rUP chand joshi; emphasis on up; i came to know it from a great scholar Mr. Rabinder Bhandari; His name plate bears testimony to this fact. Pt Ji was fondly called in his Village Pt. Rup Lal Joshi. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Swami Roopam Pandit ji, > > Yes I agree. > > regards/Bhaskar > > > , " swamiroopam " <swamiroopam@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > Guru is a broad and liberal natured planet,so it is not enimical with shukra. In the house of Guru, Shukra derives strength of wisdom from guru's house so it gets strengthened and hence exhalted. > > > > best regards > > > > Swami Roopam pandit > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Shri Kulbir ji, Yes. I have read the foreword by Shri Yogiraj ji in the books about the Jeevani of Shri Punditji. " Lal " is a form of respect. I remember in 1982 as small teenagers we were given a work of distributing Wedding invitation cards personally to some families. This was a work alloted to use kids as a cpnsequence of some wedding announced in some distant relations. I remember when we reached one house, and handed the card to the person and vocally requetsing him to grace the occasion, he got little agitated and returned the card back to us saying that " first change the name written in the card. Why have you written " Das " ? I will not accept this card " . Now in Calcutta they still have some bearings of culture, or should I say overbearings, or finickyness, I am not eligible to comment, but certain Marwadis are really cranky. In those days yes, name did have lot of impact and respect and status. regards, Bhaskar. , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji; Pt; Roop Chand Joshi is generally written as such but Pt. Ji. paid a great attention to minute details. He wrote his names spellings as Rup Chand Joshi; rUP chand joshi; emphasis on up; i came to know it from a great scholar Mr. Rabinder Bhandari; > His name plate bears testimony to this fact. > Pt Ji was fondly called in his Village Pt. Rup Lal Joshi. > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Swami Roopam Pandit ji, > > > > Yes I agree. > > > > regards/Bhaskar > > > > > > , " swamiroopam " <swamiroopam@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji > > > > > > Guru is a broad and liberal natured planet,so it is not enimical with shukra. In the house of Guru, Shukra derives strength of wisdom from guru's house so it gets strengthened and hence exhalted. > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > Swami Roopam pandit > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Anita ji and Chiranjiv ji, Sorry to buzz in. Jupiter is not a karaka for female children. It is commonsense that when Jupiter if on one side represents husband, that itself means that Jupiter is karaka for a male child. Of course this does not impy that just because Jupiter is in 5th, male or female children can be judged. The influence on the 5th lord has to be checked. The 5th sign has to be checked. Jupiter is a Masculine Planet. If placed in a masculine (Odd) sign, then chances of the first cbhild being Male is much more. Another point, just because Jupiter is placed in 5th so will not allow children is a myth . Jupiter if does not have any other influence over it, then maybe one can think so in isolation of Jupiters placement. yet one must be cautious. Because some dictums do not work as they are meant to (Because we do not know their application part and not because they are wrong). In same manner because jupiter in transit aspects 7th or 7th lord the person will marry is another myth. regards, Bhaskar. , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM >  > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > >  > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > >  > > > > > > manoj ji > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, >  > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  Vidya <vidyakmr > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > >  > > Dear Deep Ji, > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > Vidya > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > regards > > deep > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > interesting! > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do > I > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 It will only be a problem IF Jupiter is afflicted (and also serious problems only if Ju is close to the cusp of the 5H AND a strong malefic aspects/conjunct within 5 degree of this cusp, hence afflicting Bhava and Karak seriously). Regards, -Manoj Anita R <ash.rsh55 Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:41:00 AMRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such girl child. However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will end with the death of such girl child. This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there are some really interesting observations in other editions; This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. Regards Kulbir Bains. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Anita ji, > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > any doubt. > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv* wrote: > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > manoj ji > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > Vidya > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > regards > > > deep > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > situations!! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > great > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > planet is > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were > > sent > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > What do I > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > then why > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, > > for > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Members; I deliberately put GENERALLY in capital letters; because 1. Lalkitab says " Duniyavi Hisaab Kitab Hai Koi Daawa e Khudai Nahin " 2. It is strictly forbidden to predict death. Exception are always there owing to a wide range of factors; False or half baked assumptions can put someone in jeopardy ; thereby leading to serious implications / consequences. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such girl child. > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will end with the death of such girl child. > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > any doubt. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > Regards, > > > Anita > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > deep > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > great > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. > > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji,Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to have some examples to show the application/working to make it more understandable and meaningful.Would be grateful. RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such girl child. However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will end with the death of such girl child. This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there are some really interesting observations in other editions; This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. Regards Kulbir Bains. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Anita ji, > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > any doubt. > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv* wrote: > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > Regards, > > Anita > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > manoj ji > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote: > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > Vidya > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > regards > > > deep > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > situations!! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > great > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > planet is > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were > > sent > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > What do I > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > then why > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, > > for > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > thereafter). 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Dear Chiranjiv Ji; lalkitab Says; Jupiter in 5 in father's horoscope with friends i.e. Sun, Moon or Mars in 9th house; the son born on Thursday will help the Father immensely; but the next son will lead to troubles in life of father. If 9th house is occupied by Saturn in natal or it comes there in varshphal; the son born on Saturday will shower great beneficence of Saturn on father; but the beneficence from relatives, business related to articles ruled / signified by Jupiter will not give any profit to the father. Regards Kulbir , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > >  > Dear Deepenji, > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > Regards, > Anita > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > >  > > > > > > manoj ji > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >  > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, >  > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  Vidya <vidyakmr > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > >  > > Dear Deep Ji, > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > Vidya > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > regards > > deep > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. Regards Kulbir Bains. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > understandable and meaningful. > Would be grateful. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > girl child. > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > beyond > > > any doubt. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > heard > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > lord > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > parent > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > Regards, > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > the > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > is in > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > THAT > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > bcoz > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > asking > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > roam > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > Piscean > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > general > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > wrong! > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > indian_ > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > unafflcited, > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Kulbir jee, I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! Rohiniranjan , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > understandable and meaningful. > > Would be grateful. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > girl child. > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > beyond > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > heard > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > causes > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > under > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > lord > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > it > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > parent > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > dhanus > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > the > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > of > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > is in > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > totally > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > THAT > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > the > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > pisces > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > the > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > bcoz > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > asking > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > is the > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > roam > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > his > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > Piscean > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > general > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > were > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > wrong! > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > indian_ > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > Combination > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > unafflcited, > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > http://in.. > > > > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./> > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./> > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Sir, Lalkitb comprises of 5 books 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Kulbir jee, > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > beyond > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > causes > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > under > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > lord > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > it > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > parent > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > dhanus > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > the > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > of > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > is in > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > THAT > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > the > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > pisces > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > the > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > bcoz > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > asking > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > is the > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > roam > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > his > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > Piscean > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > general > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > wrong! > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > indian_ > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > Combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Kulbir jee, Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! RR_, , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Sir, > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > beyond > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > heard > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > causes > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > under > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > lord > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > it > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > parent > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > the > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > of > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > is in > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > totally > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > the > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > the > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > asking > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > is the > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > roam > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > his > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > general > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > were > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra // Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai. 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai. 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai. 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " . Regards Kulbir Bains. , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Kulbir jee, > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! > > RR_, > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > > roam > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Kulbir jee, I did not fully understand the transliterated message, but that is not your fault! Thanks for sharing! The 'sense' I got was that in Lal-Kitab the planets perhaps were visualized as the Devas-- energy_forms! Speaking of Siddhants, recently we had been hearing of there being a Surya Siddhanta-based calculations of planets and these often end up giving 'placements' different from what most of us are used to, the ones that use software and ephemeris and Swiss and NASA-JPL routines. Perhaps " Lal-Kitab " users should look into exploring if their results are more in tune with Surya Siddhanta calculations, etc...! Just a thought!! Rohiniranjan , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra // > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai. > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai. > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai. > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " . > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > > > roam > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Wow kulbirji,Am not very good in literature hindi. But the essense i got is, what we talk about in charts as planets are not the same as the planets in solar system and that they are certain kinds of energy's and the names of planets are symbolic representations. Am i right so far?RegardsSanthoshSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel "kulbir" <kulbirbainsTue, 15 Dec 2009 04:09:07 -0000 Re: Venus and Jupiter Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .RegardsKulbir Bains. , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote:>> Kulbir jee,> > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!> > RR_,> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books> > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;> > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:> > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:> > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;> > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.> > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter).> > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.> > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.> > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.> > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:> > >> > > Kulbir jee,> > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!> > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.> > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to> > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more> > > > > understandable and meaningful.> > > > > Would be grateful.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if> > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then> > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There> > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such> > > > > > girl child.> > > > > >> > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets> > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life> > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict> > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or> > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of> > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will> > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;> > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there> > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;> > > > > >> > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>,> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo> > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy> > > > > > beyond> > > > > > > any doubt.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > > > > > heard> > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth> > > > > > causes> > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be> > > > > > under> > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the> > > > > > parent> > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > manoj ji> > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to> > > > > > dhanus> > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the> > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus> > > > > > is in> > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a> > > > > > totally> > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and> > > > > > THAT> > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many> > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant> > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >> > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls> > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where> > > > > > pisces> > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes> > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only> > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > > > > > bcoz> > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > > > > > asking> > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter> > > > > > is the> > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not> > > > > > roam> > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > deep> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a> > > > > > Piscean> > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > > > > > > > situations!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > > > > > general> > > > > > > > considerations.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > > > > > > > planet is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who> > > > > > were> > > > > > > > sent> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely> > > > > > wrong!> > > > > > > > What do I> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > > > > > indian_> > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.> > > > > > And> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > > > > > > > then why> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?> > > > > > Combination> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > > > > > unafflcited,> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps> > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > http://in..> > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear RR ji and others, Those who wish can visit me for a Live Demo of Surya Siddhanta principles put in practise in the right way it must be. Without paper,pencil,calculator(which you may keep in your hand) ,or Panchanga, or any help from any book, Data or statistics,One may ask me about planetary positions of any planet in any century , and within 5-10 minutes,will give you the result which can be checked as accurate to within 1 degree from any modern software for that date. Hard to believe ? but there are many in Bombay who can do this. regards/Bhaskar. , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote: > > Kulbir jee, > > I did not fully understand the transliterated message, but that is not your fault! Thanks for sharing! > > The 'sense' I got was that in Lal-Kitab the planets perhaps were visualized as the Devas-- energy_forms! > > Speaking of Siddhants, recently we had been hearing of there being a Surya Siddhanta-based calculations of planets and these often end up giving 'placements' different from what most of us are used to, the ones that use software and ephemeris and Swiss and NASA-JPL routines. > > Perhaps " Lal-Kitab " users should look into exploring if their results are more in tune with Surya Siddhanta calculations, etc...! > > Just a thought!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra // > > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; > > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai. > > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai. > > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai. > > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " . > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > > > > roam > > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > http://in.. > > > > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.Regards to you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain! Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya. Regards to you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt. RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards, Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana .... the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Santhosh ji; Yes, You are absolutely right. Regards. Kulbir Bains. , santhosh wrote: > > Wow kulbirji, > Am not very good in literature hindi. But the essense i got is, what we talk about in charts as planets are not the same as the planets in solar system and that they are certain kinds of energy's and the names of planets are symbolic representations. Am i right so far? > Regards > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > " kulbir " <kulbirbains > Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:09:07 > > Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra // > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai. > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai. > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai. > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " . > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > > > roam > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in.. > > > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./> > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 15, 2009 Dear Kulbirji, Why I said wow is because this has been my absolute personal view too. However, the problem I haven’t been able to reconcile is the whole calculation is based on actual movement of the said planets and not any imaginary periods of orbits. Well again this is my assumption that they are the same and I have not cross-checked so a member may correct me in this regard. Regards and Thanks Santhosh On Behalf Of kulbir Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Santhosh ji; Yes, You are absolutely right. Regards. Kulbir Bains. , santhosh wrote: > > Wow kulbirji, > Am not very good in literature hindi. But the essense i got is, what we talk about in charts as planets are not the same as the planets in solar system and that they are certain kinds of energy's and the names of planets are symbolic representations. Am i right so far? > Regards > Santhosh > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > " kulbir " <kulbirbains > Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:09:07 > > Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra // > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai. > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai. > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai. > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " . > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD; > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD: > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD: > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD; > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD. > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter). > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop. > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982. > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins. > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions. > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest. > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more > > > > > > understandable and meaningful. > > > > > > Would be grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such > > > > > > > girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition; > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > > > causes > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT) com> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > > > > dhanus > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and > > > > > > > THAT > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr (AT) (DOT) com> > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, deepen thakkar > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > > > pisces > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ....The true union between 2 souls can only > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > > > bcoz > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not > > > > > > > roam > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a > > > > > > > Piscean > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > > > general > > > > > > > > > considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > > > > > > wrong! > > > > > > > > > What do I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > > > > indian_ > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > > > > Combination > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > > unafflcited, > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > http://in.. > > > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage< > > > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./> > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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