Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Anita ji,IVF and cloning are two entirely different issues. While IVF is kind of facilitating a natural process for those who have a problem in conception, while cloning is producing a genetically identical being, which is somwthing against natural selction. RegardsNeelam2009/12/16 Anita R <ash.rsh55 Dear Neelam ji, You must be talking of cloning. But thanks to advances in science, many childless couples have been blessed with children through invitro fertilisation, artificial insemination, fertility treatment etc. SO the entire effort has not exactly been a waste. But if our scientists were to dabble with creating life in a laboratory, that would be a failure certainly? Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 4:42 PM Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge failures. Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this deadly experiment. Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. This is not to mention ethics! RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > sheep " like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > > > >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-) I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > then several " goat & sheep " like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>, > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >  > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter> > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > > > > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-) > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 //Should we dread the day when some other specie will become more powerful… and then our shanks will be in danger!// Well said....Neelam ji... blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vidya ji, > > //Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > we will a higher price for it.// > > Please do your homework before making such statements. You are not aware of > the reality. There is no dearth of food even with the population size we > have now. Mother earth still has enough only if we set our priorities right. > Do you realise the types of imbalances created by the developed nations and > their irrational consumption and consumerism? > > Do you know that a moderate decline in the meat-eating could lead to the > eventual end of world hunger. Do you know that currently 70 per cent of all > grain grown in the world goes to feed livestock rather than people. 75 per > cent of grain exported to poor nations goes to feeding livestock, which are > then exported back to industrial countries as meat. Instead of being used to > combat hunger in the worst areas, the grain is simply returning to its place > of origin in wealthy countries. > > If the whole world ate a vegetarian diet and cut out all dairy products and > eggs, the world's population could be fed on one quarter of the land used at > present! > > A long journey, centuries have passed and mankind is still toying with the > idea of a peaceful co-existence with other animals (lets face it, we are > just better dressed than other animals). But we have never been able to > summon enough self control to fight the temptation of meat. Should we dread > the day when some other specie will become more powerful… and then our > shanks will be in danger! > > Hope you get the point. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Just to add to what has been mentioned almost 70 to 80% of the food sold > in the supermarket has already been genetically modified. Obviously the > government thinks this will help feed majority of the population. > Unfortunately with our population growing so fast genetically mass > production is the only way to the future..Majority of us are consuming this > type of food only unless we opt out for organic non engineered food of curse > we will a higher price for it. > > > > Regards, > > Vidya > > > > , neelam gupta > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > > > failures. > > > > > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now > the GM > > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of > this > > > deadly experiment. > > > > > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is > a > > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before > but > > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very > ripe. > > > > > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. > A > > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than > its > > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so > many > > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its > size, > > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are > scared > > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > > > > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to > existence. > > > This is not to mention ethics! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > * > > > > , neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several > " goat > > > > & > > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > > > humankind. > > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > > > daughter.:-)I > > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say > way..Just > > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women > was > > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > > > sons..Well we > > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " > like > > > > child > > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family > astrologer, > > > > In > > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she > has 1 > > > > son. > > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second > child > > > > since > > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in > 5th > > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this > belief to > > > > arise > > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science > children > > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > > > hamare do " > > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was > considered an > > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru > in > > > > 5th and > > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I > consider her > > > > as > > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for > karako > > > > bhava > > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the > cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have > been > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani > Karo > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their > fallacy > > > > beyond > > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far > as I > > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru > in > > > > fifth > > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will > be > > > > under > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you > said > > > > lord > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, > is > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, > would > > > > it > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first > born > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the > the > > > > parent > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > > > ultimate > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > > > dhanus > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking > after > > > > the > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the > ownership > > > > of > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house > venus > > > > is > > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is > not a > > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I > have > > > > seen > > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV > have > > > > deviant > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > > > beautiful > > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen > thakkar > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  > uniting 2 > > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in > pisces > > > > ,where > > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and > also 2 > > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 > souls > > > > can > > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious > which > > > > are > > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility > in > > > > virgo > > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student > is > > > > always > > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude > while > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and > may > > > > his > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! > Jupiter > > > > takes > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth > (3/11 > > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about > the > > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). > Being > > > > both > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each > other. > > > > No > > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their > children who > > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be > entirely > > > > wrong! > > > > > > What do > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com<ancient_ > > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > > > asuras. > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other > ? If > > > > so > > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > > > Combination > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > > > > Homepage. > > > > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your > Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Nice to see the poet in you blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Shri RR ji, > > With no Ma near one, > this world looks like just a stopover for time, some. > > With good luck for those whom Ma arrives as a form of ones wife, satisfying becomes ones Life. > > Those husbands who remember that she is Beti of someone, > their behaviour would then tend to become wholesome. > > For the unlucky who get a wife raging, hot and cruel, > they better get ready with some sandalwood for fuel. > > The " Samadhees " will have a better rappo between them, > if the " Samaadhan " is harboured between both of them. > > Samadhees if nurture Samadhaan > Successfull becomes the act of " Kanyadaan " > > I would prefer to have a good and wise Samadhan > who keeps close to her heart my little one > > The one whom I have received as a gift of " Kanyadaan " > she gives both pain and pleasure as adaan pradaan. > > But is not this what Life must be ? > Why must tags be attached to what we receive for free ? > > regards, > Bhaskar. > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > Welcome back B. bhai-saheb! > > > > I hasten to offer my two cents, because I may have brought into this Samdhi-Samdhan issue in this beautiful Shangrila (My sincere apologies, of course!...) > > > > SAMA-DHEE = similar views and visions and intellect > > > > SAMA-DHAN = will my pyaari Beti be happy and will be going to a prosperous home where she will be the Queen and not Dasi! Just as she was when she lived here with her parents! > > > > Now, I do not wish to sound sexist or anything like that but Fathers and Mothers think differently and it is not about culture or times or whatever! Or maybe it is! > > > > Ever wondered why the BETI is in a trikona from BABA? While MA is always on her case from the 12th from 5th? > > > > Because MEN always are engaged in BIG THINGS that matter! Like the Middle-EAST war, the terrorism, the sinking dollar or the rising Rupee or the Environment and the POOR STATE of EDUCATION GLOBALLY and what will happen to Srilanka and what if Tsunami hits us again ...! What would be the result of the next cricket match? Why is Tendulkar not immortal? > > > > While WOMEN/MAs are more worried about and engaged in useless details such as what would I feed my family tomorrow, making sure that my children have clean clothes to wear and their homework done so that the school does not call AGAIN! > > > > Even MAs that hold professional jobs and are Managers and Directors and what not! > > > > Nuances vary but the CORE DOES NOT CHANGE! > > > > VENUS is about 'being particular, being obsessively detailed!' > > > > You will find many chemists who are ruled by Venus! For mistakes and oversight can get tricky and even dangerous! > > > > VENUS has been underestimated and under-rated! Just look at some of the most METICULOUS people and leaders and note the common thread running through their lives and messages! TAKING NOTHING FOR GRANTED! > > > > Just a personal observation that hopefully will not be taken in a wrong way! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > A thought crossed my mind that if the few hardliners here who want every posting to be written in English language, asked us to translate " Samdhees " or " Samdhan " , then which word in English could fit in entirety to explain to the reader, about the relation(ship) we are talking about ? > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Vidya " <vidyakmr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir and Madam Ji, > > > > > > > > //They are 'samdhees!' :-) It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I know? ;-)// > > > > > > > > If Shukra and Brihaspati's children got married would it not have created havoc and marital discord in their marriage assuming they are from opposite clans, one side of demonic nature the other of devata gunas.. What kind of children would they have produced with the mixing of sanskara's? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Yes very wild indeed Neelam Ji. Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of neelam gupta Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:39 PM To: Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter May be Gopi ji, such technologies like Genetic Engineering have brought earlier civilisations to end! Who knows, Dinosaurs could have been genetically modified creatures who then ate up the entire earth millions of years ago! And then died themselves of starvation? Wild thoughts...!:-) Regards Neelam 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Neelam ji, i know but when YOU say that everybody should agree...to the TRUTH... Regards, gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > failures. > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this > deadly experiment. > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe. > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. > This is not to mention ethics! > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > Regards, > > gopi. > > * > > , neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat > > & > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > humankind. > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > daughter.:-)I > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > sons..Well we > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like > > child > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, > > In > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 > > son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child > > since > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to > > arise > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > hamare do " > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in > > 5th and > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her > > as > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako > > bhava > > > > nashaya. > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > beyond > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in > > fifth > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > lord > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > parent > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > ultimate > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > the > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > is > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > >  > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > Jupiter > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have > > seen > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have > > deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > beautiful > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces > > ,where > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls > > can > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which > > are > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in > > virgo > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is > > always > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while > > jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter > > takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being > > both > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. > > No > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > wrong! > > > > What do > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If > > so > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Adsolutely RR Ji, Atom Bomb did not originate from an experiment or research to produce atom bomb. The attempt was to produce energy from atoms. However, at some stage the experiments were subverted for ulterior motives and it resulted in the Bomb. Similarly the fear is GE, closing etc will result in something that might end our species. The fear is not unfounded. But then we have history to learn from and global efforts should be to divert it to the right direction rather than arresting it which might be really useful for the human race in future. Regards Santhosh On Behalf Of rohinicrystal Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:38 AM To: Subject: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear All, Please take this posting of mine lightly :-) But sochiyay jara, it took mother nature some 100000 years of experimental manipulation and what some may call (Neti Neti multifactorial experimentation!) and still She could not produce a perfect human being. What is 20 or 200 (or whenever Mendel started playing around with peas!) years! It is my belief that genetic engineering (treatment of diseases and negative traits! [i do not mean producing an entire clone! One step at a time!!] will become growingly acceptable and I only hope the Biotechnology Industry does not jump in too readily smacking their greedy lips and their hand counting the change in their pocket books in their back-pockets! RR_, , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge > failures. > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this > deadly experiment. > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe. > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. > This is not to mention ethics! > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. // > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!.. > > Regards, > > gopi. > > * > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat > > & > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of > > humankind. > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one > > daughter.:-)I > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple > > sons..Well we > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like > > child > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, > > In > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 > > son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child > > since > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to > > arise > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do > > hamare do " > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in > > 5th and > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her > > as > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako > > bhava > > > > nashaya. > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy > > beyond > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in > > fifth > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be > > under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said > > lord > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would > > it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the > > parent > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of > > ultimate > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to > > dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after > > the > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership > > of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus > > is > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > >  > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of > > Jupiter > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have > > seen > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have > > deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so > > beautiful > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces > > ,where > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls > > can > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which > > are > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in > > virgo > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is > > always > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while > > jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may > > his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter > > takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being > > both > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. > > No > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely > > wrong! > > > > What do > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_ > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil > > asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If > > so > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? > > Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy > > camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have > > darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji; There are 2 interesting observations in lalkitab; 1. Native with Venus in 5th house should not marry against wishes of his parents; if he does so; his will get great troubles from his own children 2. Native with malefic Saturn in house no. 11, if suffering from illhealth should abstain from sex, otherwise the problem of illhealth/disease will continue further for next 3 years. This implies for both Natal horoscope and Varshphal chart according to lalkitab. 3. Indulgence in sex during day time invites problems. 4. Relations outside wedlock lead to conflict between the native and his progeny. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Vidya ji, > > Whatever planning one may do, with ordinary folks like us, we cannot produce that only one unless he is destined to be so. > > It can be done, by those who only copulate for children. It can be done by those who read the Shastras and abide by the rules when to copulate. This also means that the rest of the time when it is not advised to have sex, the couple must stay away. Is this possible in todays world ? > > This is also possible because I know certain men of older generations in villages in andhra who used to sleep with their wife only two times of the year. they were real contenders of giving birth to the " One " . But unfortunately they have not read the shastras and those chapters which instruct when to copulate for the best category of children. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > , " Vidya " <vidyakmr@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji, > > > > I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money, energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided. > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > > > nashaya. > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > >  > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > Regards, > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > > > What do > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 16, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, okay. There may be many more such interesting observations in the LalKitab, but one needs someone to guide the logic behind all these observations. I do not look for logic. I look for Logic. Its both ways. At times if Logic is available then fine, at times if not, then Faith is what is matters, and I do have full faith in the Lalkitab. Indulgence in sex during daytime is of course otherwise too, a stupidity and waste of day time which many do not realise, when actually they should have been working. Even during a holiday period, this is not advisable. Neither in Amavasya, Poornima or chaturthi. neither at grahana times etc. Relations outside wedlock is going to create problems anywhich way, if the person gets caught. If not, then still its going to be accounted for. But the pleasure here, for those who have such oppurtunities is much more,for them to override the problems which may arise in future. regards, Bhaskar. , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji; > There are 2 interesting observations in lalkitab; > 1. Native with Venus in 5th house should not marry against wishes of his parents; if he does so; his will get great troubles from his own children > > 2. Native with malefic Saturn in house no. 11, if suffering from illhealth should abstain from sex, otherwise the problem of illhealth/disease will continue further for next 3 years. > This implies for both Natal horoscope and Varshphal chart according to lalkitab. > > 3. Indulgence in sex during day time invites problems. > > 4. Relations outside wedlock lead to conflict between the native and his progeny. > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > Whatever planning one may do, with ordinary folks like us, we cannot produce that only one unless he is destined to be so. > > > > It can be done, by those who only copulate for children. It can be done by those who read the Shastras and abide by the rules when to copulate. This also means that the rest of the time when it is not advised to have sex, the couple must stay away. Is this possible in todays world ? > > > > This is also possible because I know certain men of older generations in villages in andhra who used to sleep with their wife only two times of the year. they were real contenders of giving birth to the " One " . But unfortunately they have not read the shastras and those chapters which instruct when to copulate for the best category of children. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > , " Vidya " <vidyakmr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji, > > > > > > I don't know much about genetic engineering but what I meant to say is that if a person just has 1 child he can invest all his resources like time,money, energy etc. to that " one and only " to make him or her..Now if we have many then of course it will not be the same as everything has to be divided. > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vidya ji, > > > > > > > > // It's always better to produce one " lion " like child then several " goat & > > > > sheep " like children.// > > > > > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya <vidyakmr@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-)I > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was > > > > > considered " subhgaywati " only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one " lion " like child > > > > > then several " goat & sheep " like children. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > > > > nashaya. > > > > > > Regards to you, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond > > > > > any doubt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta, > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji, > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manoj ji > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > > > > >  > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > >  -Manoj > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya <vidyakmr > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Vidya > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath > > > > > > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 > > > > > relationships) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging > > > > > situations!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the > > > > > general considerations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's > > > > > > interesting! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No > > > > > planet is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > > > > were sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! > > > > > What do > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so > > > > > then why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when > > > > > unafflcited, for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2009 Yes, I believe cloning is not a wise thing to attempt. The thing is, when they clone, the stem cells which they take from the parent for cloning, is as old as the parent. SO the offspring which is derived from cloning is not a day old biologically and physiologically but as old as the parent from whom the original cell was taken. Eg: If Amitabh Bachan were to be cloned tomorrow and there is new amitabh bachan, the new bachan will not be a baby biologically and physiologically but will be 65. The clones biological , physiological processes will function as if it was 65 years old and not a new born. That is the difference between IVF and cloning.Love,Anita--- On Wed, 16/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Wednesday, 16 December, 2009, 4:01 AM Dear Anita ji,IVF and cloning are two entirely different issues. While IVF is kind of facilitating a natural process for those who have a problem in conception, while cloning is producing a genetically identical being, which is somwthing against natural selction. RegardsNeelam2009/12/16 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Neelam ji, You must be talking of cloning. But thanks to advances in science, many childless couples have been blessed with children through invitro fertilisation, artificial insemination, fertility treatment etc. SO the entire effort has not exactly been a waste. But if our scientists were to dabble with creating life in a laboratory, that would be a failure certainly? Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 4:42 PM Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge failures. Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the GM crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of this deadly experiment. Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very ripe.For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes. A genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than its normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so many natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its size, could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared that this organism will lead to the extinction of others. We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to existence. This is not to mention ethics! RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > Dear Neelam ji,// Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..Regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: >> Dear Vidya ji,> > // It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several "goat & > sheep" like children.//> > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr > > > >> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> >> > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one daughter.:-) I> > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say way..Just > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women was> > considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple sons..Well we> > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion" like child > > then several "goat & sheep" like children.> >> > Regards,> > Vidya> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>, > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In> > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since> > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th> > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do"> > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and> > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as> > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava > > nashaya.> > > Regards to you,> > > Anita> >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >  > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > >> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond> > any doubt.> > >> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > Regards,> > >> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > >> > >> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > Â> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > >> > >> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote: > > >> > >> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say? > >> > >> > > Regards,> > > Anita> > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: > > >> > >> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > manoj ji> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> >> > >> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is> > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > >> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM > > >> > >> > > Â> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > Â> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter> > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen> > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > >> > > Â> > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > > Â> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > >> > > Â> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji,> > >> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful > > the way you put it. Thanks> > >> > > Vidya> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > >> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2> > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2> > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can> > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> >> > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > >> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > >> > > > regards> > > > deep> > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > >> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > >> > > >> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > >> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > relationships)> > > > > > > >> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > situations!!> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ÂÂ> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > general considerations. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > interesting!> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > great> > > >> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > planet is> > >> > > >> > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > Neelam> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who > > were sent> > > >> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!> > What do> > > I> > > >> > > > > > know? ;-) > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. > > And> > > >> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > then why> > > >> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination > > of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > unafflcited, for> > > >> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > >> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > >> > > >> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > >> > >> > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 17, 2009 HA.HA.HAA...........Neelam ji,Sometimes wild thoughts are also enjoyable.But many people are already afraid about 2012......Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> May be Gopi ji, such technologies like Genetic Engineering have brought> earlier civilisations to end!> Who knows, Dinosaurs could have been genetically modified creatures who then> ate up the entire earth millions of years ago!> And then died themselves of starvation?> > Wild thoughts...!:-)> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Neelam ji,> > i know but when YOU say that everybody should agree...to the TRUTH...> > Regards,> > gopi.> > *> > , neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Yes Gopi ji, all attempts, taken up for whatever reasons have been huge> > > failures.> > >> > > Despite 20 years of research and 13 years of commercialization, genetic> > > engineering has failed to significantly increase the crop yields. Now the> > GM> > > crops were dumped on developing nations like India by luring the poor> > > farmers. Cotton growing farmers and their mass suicides are a result of> > this> > > deadly experiment.> > >> > > Fruit is being genetically engineered to stay fresh longer. But this is a> > > counterfeit freshness. The vitamins and minerals are gone long before but> > > the fruit stays healthy as a regular, processed food, and appears very> > ripe.> > >> > > For animals, genetic engineering has brought in even worst catastrophes.> > A> > > genetically altered fish was produced, which was 40 per cent larger than> > its> > > normal counter part. Imagine if an organism was so strong and took so> > many> > > natural resources out of the environment that it killed off all its> > > neighbors! This fish competes for the same resources as normal fish, and> > > wins. Because it is growing so rapidly, it needs a lot of food. It would> > > probably eat the other fish out of a habitat. This, coupled with its> > size,> > > could lead to the destruction of the ecosystem. Now scientists are scared> > > that this organism will lead to the extinction of others.> > >> > > We can find hundreds of examples like this which are a threat to> > existence.> > > This is not to mention ethics!> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/15 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Dear Neelam ji,> >> > > > //* Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of humankind. //> > > > *really !!this is new to me that too from you!!..> > > > Regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > *> > > > , neelam gupta> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vidya ji,> > > > >> > > > > // It's always better to produce one "lion" like child then several> > "goat> > > > & > > > > > sheep" like children.//> > > > >> > > > > Where is the choice? Genetic Engineering is a failed attempt of> > > > humankind.> > > > > If there were no Rams the lion would not roar? Right B_ji!> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2009/12/15 Vidya vidyakmr@> > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > It's very nice and refreshing to know you are happy with one> > > > daughter.:-)I> > > > > > come from a family of daughters only and would feel the say> > way..Just> > > > > > imagine a few generations ago the Indian mindset was that a women> > was> > > > > > considered "subhgaywati" only when she gave birth to multiple> > > > sons..Well we> > > > > > have come a long way.. It's always better to produce one "lion"> > like> > > > child> > > > > > then several "goat & sheep" like children.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vidya> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <%40>,> > > >> > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > > > It is not my observation but I was told so by our family> > astrologer,> > > > In> > > > > > fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has> > 1> > > > son.> > > > > > He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second> > child> > > > since> > > > > > the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in> > 5th> > > > > > restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief> > to> > > > arise> > > > > > is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children> > > > > > especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do> > > > hamare do"> > > > > > was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was> > considered an> > > > > > undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru> > in> > > > 5th and> > > > > > I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider> > her> > > > as> > > > > > Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for> > karako> > > > bhava> > > > > > nashaya.> > > > > > > Regards to you,> > > > > > > Anita> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > >> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the> > cases.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have> > been> > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani> > Karo> > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their> > fallacy> > > > beyond> > > > > > any doubt.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far> > as I> > > > > > heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru> > in> > > > fifth> > > > > > causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will> > be> > > > under> > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you> > said> > > > lord> > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc,> > is> > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children,> > would> > > > it> > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first> > born> > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the> > > > parent> > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > manoj ji> > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of> > > > ultimate> > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to> > > > dhanus> > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking> > after> > > > the> > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also theÂ> > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the> > ownership> > > > of> > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house> > venus> > > > is> > > > > > in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not> > a> > > > > > totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of> > > > Jupiter> > > > > > and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I> > have> > > > seen> > > > > > many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV> > have> > > > deviant> > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >  -Manoj> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Â> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so> > > > beautiful> > > > > > the way you put it. Thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen> > thakkar> > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in ÂÂ> > uniting 2> > > > > > souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in> > pisces> > > > ,where> > > > > > pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and> > also 2> > > > > > fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2> > souls> > > > can> > > > > > only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious> > which> > > > are> > > > > > the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility> > in> > > > virgo> > > > > > bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student> > is> > > > always> > > > > > asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude> > while> > > > jupiter> > > > > > is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> > > > > >> > > > > > > itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and> > may> > > > his> > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > deep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter> > > > takes> > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> > > > > > > fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11> > > > > > relationships)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > > > > > situations!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about> > the> > > > > > general considerations.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam> > gupta> > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's> > > > > > > interesting!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).> > Being> > > > both> > > > > > great> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each> > other.> > > > No> > > > > > planet is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children> > who> > > > > > were sent> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely> > > > wrong!> > > > > > What do> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com<ancient_> > > > > > indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil> > > > asuras.> > > > > > And> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ?> > If> > > > so> > > > > > then why> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?> > > > Combination> > > > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > > > > > unafflcited, for> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh> > > > > > > as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy> > > > camps ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have> > > > darshan of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Friends,There are nice discussions on number of important issues in these mails. I will like to express my views to my best of ability :I. The nativity of Ahmedabad Jatak She was lucky to have Rahu dasa.In D-7 chart , Jupiter, Venus , and nodes are in debility.On account of Jupiter influence on rahu and 5th lord Vargottama Saturn in D-7 chart is with MARS (A MALE PLANET), she was blessed with one Son.All indications in the nativity do not favor a child in major period of Jupiter.2. Karka Bhava Nasho - This dictum has limited validity. When ever a planet is placed in a bhava as Karka , it has some adverse effects , but same planet do have to play other roles also. If Jupiter is in 5H ,Anita ji do not have Son ,but obviously it has some adverse effect for male progeny , because in Kalpurusha Kundli , 5H is owned by Sun - a sign of Agni Tatwa.Chapter 7 sloka 10 of Bhavartha Ratnakar says:Jupiter in 5H reduces the longevity of the Son.Venus in 7H makes the wife short lived"But Dr. Raman appended following comments:'Jupiter in 5H makes the eldest son long lived and Venus in 7H MAKES THE WIFE BEAUTIFUL, FAIR AND PASSIONATE. If these planets are under the influence of malefic , then these create bad effects.This rule may be safely applied to other Bhava karka(s). This is a dosa which gets amplifiedif afflicted and then gives visible bad effects.Jupiter Bhava nasao- This dictum is applicable when Jupiter and Saturn are in exchange (or for that matter with any malefic ) , Jupiter will not be able to promote the bhava , but Saturn will enhance the results of bhava where it is placed , on account of Jupiter's inluence.With regrds, G. K. Goel From: ash.rsh55Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:05:49 +0530Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Mehta ji,MOreover, she has kodanda rahu and her rahu dasa is coming to an end in dec 2010.Regards,Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 12:46 PM Rahu transiting over natal Rahu.Will be interesting. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 15/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:48 PM Dear Neelamji,lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyTuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam 2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.Regards to you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.RegardsNeelam 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 > Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote: Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote: deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) . Regards, -Manoj Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2010 Dear ones,this is interesting as Goel ji mentioned.I have a chart of male with jup in 5th with L/L who had a daughter and son.1-1-1949;ongole(india)I understand dual signs in 5th could give both male and female children depending on other factors(conditions apply!!)In this chart Mer in 5th is the lord of 2 dual signs one male and one female and hence he got both.In Anita ji's chart Rahu is in the naks of Sun who is in a female sign with a female planet MOON.Hence She got a daughter only.Rah/ketu axis restricts Children is what i observed.Love and regards,gopi. , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> There are nice discussions on number of important > issues in these mails. I will like to express my views to > my best of ability :> I. The nativity of Ahmedabad Jatak> She was lucky to have Rahu dasa.In D-7 chart , Jupiter,> Venus , and nodes are in debility.On account of Jupiter influence> on rahu and 5th lord Vargottama Saturn in D-7 chart is with MARS (A MALE PLANET),> she was blessed with one Son.> All indications in the nativity do not favor a child in major period of Jupiter.> 2. Karka Bhava Nasho - This dictum has limited validity. When ever a planet > is placed in a bhava as Karka , it has some adverse effects , but same planet> do have to play other roles also.> If Jupiter is in 5H ,Anita ji do not have Son ,but obviously it has some adverse effect > for male progeny , because in Kalpurusha Kundli , 5H is owned by Sun - a sign of Agni Tatwa.> Chapter 7 sloka 10 of Bhavartha Ratnakar says:> Jupiter in 5H reduces the longevity of the Son.Venus in 7H makes the wife short lived"> But Dr. Raman appended following comments:> 'Jupiter in 5H makes the eldest son long lived and Venus in 7H MAKES THE WIFE BEAUTIFUL, FAIR AND PASSIONATE. If these planets are under the influence of malefic , then these create bad effects.> This rule may be safely applied to other Bhava karka(s). This is a dosa which gets amplified> if afflicted and then gives visible bad effects.> Jupiter Bhava nasao- This dictum is applicable when Jupiter and Saturn are in exchange > (or for that matter with any malefic ) , Jupiter will not be able to promote the bhava , > but Saturn will enhance the results of bhava where it is placed , on account of Jupiter's inluence.> With regrds, > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > ash.rsh55 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:05:49 +0530> Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mehta ji,> MOreover, she has kodanda rahu and her rahu dasa is coming to an end in dec 2010.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv wrote:> > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 12:46 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu transiting over natal Rahu.> Will be interesting.> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:48 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji,> lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.> Regards, > Anita> > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM> > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > //May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//> > There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!> Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.> Regards to> you,> Anita> > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> Regards, > Anita> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > > > > > > manoj ji> pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....> the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks> > Vidya> > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > regards> > deep> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> interesting!> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > >> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do> I> > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh> as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Astrologers I read this in a tamil astro magazine.In a Male horoscope at the time of birth If the pratyantar(bhukti)'s nakshatra lord is placed in a male rasi ,his wife will give birth to male child.If placed in female rasi ,female child. I checked this and found to be 90% correct.Only rahu ,kethu pratyantar,the result is not correct. pl check. thanks & regardsSenthil --- On Tue, 12/1/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Tuesday, 12 January, 2010, 11:19 PM Dear ones,this is interesting as Goel ji mentioned.I have a chart of male with jup in 5th with L/L who had a daughter and son.1-1-1949@ 9.55pm;ongole( india)I understand dual signs in 5th could give both male and female children depending on other factors(conditions apply!!)In this chart Mer in 5th is the lord of 2 dual signs one male and one female and hence he got both.In Anita ji's chart Rahu is in the naks of Sun who is in a female sign with a female planet MOON.Hence She got a daughter only.Rah/ketu axis restricts Children is what i observed.Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> There are nice discussions on number of important > issues in these mails. I will like to express my views to > my best of ability :> I. The nativity of Ahmedabad Jatak> She was lucky to have Rahu dasa.In D-7 chart , Jupiter,> Venus , and nodes are in debility.On account of Jupiter influence> on rahu and 5th lord Vargottama Saturn in D-7 chart is with MARS (A MALE PLANET),> she was blessed with one Son.> All indications in the nativity do not favor a child in major period of Jupiter.> 2. Karka Bhava Nasho - This dictum has limited validity. When ever a planet > is placed in a bhava as Karka , it has some adverse effects , but same planet> do have to play other roles also.> If Jupiter is in 5H ,Anita ji do not have Son ,but obviously it has some adverse effect > for male progeny , because in Kalpurusha Kundli , 5H is owned by Sun - a sign of Agni Tatwa.> Chapter 7 sloka 10 of Bhavartha Ratnakar says:> Jupiter in 5H reduces the longevity of the Son.Venus in 7H makes the wife short lived"> But Dr. Raman appended following comments:> 'Jupiter in 5H makes the eldest son long lived and Venus in 7H MAKES THE WIFE BEAUTIFUL, FAIR AND PASSIONATE. If these planets are under the influence of malefic , then these create bad effects.> This rule may be safely applied to other Bhava karka(s). This is a dosa which gets amplified> if afflicted and then gives visible bad effects.> Jupiter Bhava nasao- This dictum is applicable when Jupiter and Saturn are in exchange > (or for that matter with any malefic ) , Jupiter will not be able to promote the bhava , > but Saturn will enhance the results of bhava where it is placed , on account of Jupiter's inluence.> With regrds, > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> ash.rsh55@.. .> Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:05:49 +0530> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mehta ji,> MOreover, she has kodanda rahu and her rahu dasa is coming to an end in dec 2010.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@. .. wrote:> > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@. ..> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 12:46 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu transiting over natal Rahu.> Will be interesting.> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 5:48 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji,> lagna is leo, with venus in it, chandra, kuja and ravi in kanya, budha in libra, rahu and guru in dhanu, retro saturn in vrishabha and ketu in gemini. rahu dasa running till 19-11-10. BIrth details, 6-10-72, 3:25 am, ahmedabad.> Regards, > Anita> > --- On Tue, 15/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 15 December, 2009, 6:10 AM> > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > //May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//> > There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!> Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/12/15 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.> Regards to> you,> Anita> > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.> Regards,> Anita> > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R ash.rsh55 > wrote:> > > Anita R ash.rsh55 >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> Regards, > Anita> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > > > > > > manoj ji> pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....> the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > Vidya vidyakmr >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks> > Vidya> > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath> itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > regards> > deep> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi> fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Samdhees? That's> interesting!> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > >> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > >> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > >> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do> I> > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > >> > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh> as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> >> > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Vidya ji,In first case , when Venus is in exaltation in Lagna isLord of *th house.In second case , Venus is the lord of the 6th house placed in 11H.Whenever Trick (6,8 and 12 ) houses , it creates problems.This is the reason that exalted Jupiter in angular houses giveproblems also.There is a rule ,if trick lords are in exaltation in Sign or Namvamsa chats they do harm in some respects , if they are in debility , give good yogas also.Regards,G. K. Goel From: vidyakmrDate: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:21:28 +0000 Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Manoj Ji, You maybe right about the affliction part as I personally came to know 2 people with exalted Venus. First person has Venus exalted in Lagna with moon's aspect from 7th house and has no affliction to Venus. He is 32 years of age and actually a very pious, dharmic man but he is still struggling to find a wife with "good character". Must be a hard thing in this day and age. The 2nd person has exalted Venus in 11th house but with rahu's malefic aspects from 4th house. He is married but very unhappy in marriage..He's had several other failed relationship in life before and after marriage. Regards Vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji, > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions). >  > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > Vidya <vidyakmr > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM > Re: Venus and Jupiter > >  > Dear Deep Ji, > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks > > Vidya > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskarji > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge.. > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always.. > > > > regards > > deep > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air! > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships) > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations. > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause? > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is > > > > > inimical to GURU. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I > > > > > > know? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>, > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop Find the right PC for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Dear Santhosh ji ,Moon is cosmic and Venus is materialistic energy.Both of them are of famine nature but body of male.In case of female , Venus is Karka of Sex , Jupiter is legally wedded husband , and Mars is sex partner(including husband).The karka of dara pada ( sex and business partner) is Venus and Upapada ( pada of 12th house - husband)is Jupiter.Karka of 7H is Venus.regardsG. K. Goel From: santhoshDate: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:47:53 +0000Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear neelamji,We know brihaspathi and sukracharya were gurus of opposing camps. But is there any stories of enemity between the 2? I dont think so. I think sukracharya was assigned the duty of being guru to asuras (dont know by whom!!!) Further my understanding is venus represents husband in a wifes chart and wife in a husbands chart. According to some in addition to venus, ju and mars are also given karaka for husband.We cannot explain everything in terms of legends i think. Because, for example venus is a female planet but sukracharya was not female.Similarly, moon is a female planet but moon is said to have 27 wives the nakshatras.How will we reconcile all this?RegardsSanthoshSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:44:56 +0530Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Samdhees? That's interesting!They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great benefics do they club together for a cause?In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is inimical to GURU. RegardsNeelam2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Dear B. Bhai They are 'samdhees!' :-) It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I know? ;-) Rohiniranjan , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > regards/Bhaskar. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop Find the right PC for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Yes there is a story, and quite an interesting one, involving Guru and Shukra. Its in "Shiv Mahapuran". Once there was a great war between Asur and Devata. Asurs had an advantage over Devatas as Shukracharya would revive the dead asurs by his yogvidhya whereas Brihaspati could not do it. Finally Brihaspati sent his Son (forgot his name) to learn this vidhya from shukracharya. Inspite of knowing from where the boy has come and what is the intent behind his learning, shukracharya taught this to the boy. The story goes further that asurs kill the boy and shukracharya revives him and so on. One must read Shiv mahapuran to know more and precise. Sincerely Yours,Amit BaidSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel gopal krishna goel <g.k.goelThu, 14 Jan 2010 06:37:38 +0530RE: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear Santhosh ji ,Moon is cosmic and Venus is materialistic energy.Both of them are of famine nature but body of male.In case of female , Venus is Karka of Sex , Jupiter is legally wedded husband , and Mars is sex partner(including husband).The karka of dara pada ( sex and business partner) is Venus and Upapada ( pada of 12th house - husband)is Jupiter.Karka of 7H is Venus.regardsG. K. Goel From: santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) comDate: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:47:53 +0000Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Dear neelamji,We know brihaspathi and sukracharya were gurus of opposing camps. But is there any stories of enemity between the 2? I dont think so. I think sukracharya was assigned the duty of being guru to asuras (dont know by whom!!!) Further my understanding is venus represents husband in a wifes chart and wife in a husbands chart. According to some in addition to venus, ju and mars are also given karaka for husband.We cannot explain everything in terms of legends i think. Because, for example venus is a female planet but sukracharya was not female.Similarly, moon is a female planet but moon is said to have 27 wives the nakshatras.How will we reconcile all this?RegardsSanthoshSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 >Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:44:56 +0530Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Samdhees? That's interesting!They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great benefics do they club together for a cause?In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is inimical to GURU.RegardsNeelam2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Dear B. BhaiThey are 'samdhees!' :-)It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I know? ;-)Rohiniranjan , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > regards/Bhaskar.>http://windows.microsoft.com/shop Find the right PC for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 Oh great story...thanks. HEARD this the first time ever. is there some mention of Kacha in this story ? best wishes, Bhaskar. , amit.baid wrote: > > Yes there is a story, and quite an interesting one, involving Guru and Shukra. Its in " Shiv Mahapuran " . > > Once there was a great war between Asur and Devata. Asurs had an advantage over Devatas as Shukracharya would revive the dead asurs by his yogvidhya whereas Brihaspati could not do it. Finally Brihaspati sent his Son (forgot his name) to learn this vidhya from shukracharya. Inspite of knowing from where the boy has come and what is the intent behind his learning, shukracharya taught this to the boy. The story goes further that asurs kill the boy and shukracharya revives him and so on. One must read Shiv mahapuran to know more and precise. > > > Sincerely Yours, > > Amit Baid > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > > > gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel > Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:37:38 > > RE: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > Dear Santhosh ji , > Moon is cosmic and Venus is materialistic energy.Both of them > are of famine nature but body of male. > In case of female , Venus is Karka of Sex , Jupiter is legally > wedded husband , and Mars is sex partner(including husband). > The karka of dara pada ( sex and business partner) is Venus and Upapada > ( pada of 12th house - husband)is Jupiter.Karka of 7H is Venus. > regards > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > > santhosh > Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:47:53 +0000 > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear neelamji, > We know brihaspathi and sukracharya were gurus of opposing camps. But is there any stories of enemity between the 2? I dont think so. I think sukracharya was assigned the duty of being guru to asuras (dont know by whom!!!) > Further my understanding is venus represents husband in a wifes chart and wife in a husbands chart. According to some in addition to venus, ju and mars are also given karaka for husband. > We cannot explain everything in terms of legends i think. Because, for example venus is a female planet but sukracharya was not female. > Similarly, moon is a female planet but moon is said to have 27 wives the nakshatras. > How will we reconcile all this? > Regards > Santhosh > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:44:56 +0530To: Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter > > Samdhees? That's interesting! > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great benefics do they club together for a cause? > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is inimical to GURU. > > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-) > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I know? ;-) > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ? > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 14, 2010 JAI SRIRAMDear Goel,Please give us details about uparatna.Thanks,Venkatesh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
