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Dear Bhaskar Ji,

 

"Hence Venus gets exalted here."

This is what used by ancient tantra technique as well as starting point

to start yaatra to reach at highly spiritual level.

 

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

Bhaskar wrote:

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Venus is the karaka of Love.

 

Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ?

 

Let us not talk in symbols, philosphy and exoteric at times and get to

real hard facts.

 

I repeat-

 

Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ?

 

Answer - On the Bed where the couple meets in Physical Union.

 

Which house in the Horoscope represents the Bed pleasures and comfort ?

 

Answer -The 12th House.

 

In the natural Horoscope who represents the 12th House and sign ?

 

Answer - Pisces, with the Lord as Jupiter.

 

Hence Jupiter gets exalted here.

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Dear Rohini Ji and Members,I would like clear some details in regards to the 2nd person..I meant his Rahu is in 5th House sign virgo aspecting his venus in 11th House sign Pisces. Venus conjucts ketu in Pisces in 11th house..There is no other aspects to Venus besides the nodes..This person is not legally divorced yet, just separated.. Yes even during his marriage he had some affairs. I have the birth details below if anyone wants to look into it.5th March 1978 @ 11:00 am., Lima ( 79W 16'00'' 5S42'00'')Vidya , "rohinicrystal" <rohini_ranjan wrote:>> Vidya,> > Did you mean "during"? Because you did not mention anything about the divorce -- in the second example you spoke about! Also, you taught me today that Rahu has an '8th' aspect like mars!> > Rohiniranjan> > <<NB: Please note that I have dropped the 'ji' as per your 'nok-jhonk' with Bhaskar Bhai -- even though I have three wonderful Bhatijees already but there is always room for more daughters in Jyotish ...>>> > , "Vidya" vidyakmr@ wrote:> >> > Dear Manoj Ji,> > > > You maybe right about the affliction part as I personally came to know 2 people with exalted Venus. > > First person has Venus exalted in Lagna with moon's aspect from 7th house and has no affliction to Venus. He is 32 years of age and actually a very pious, dharmic man but he is still struggling to find a wife with "good character". Must be a hard thing in this day and age. > > > > The 2nd person has exalted Venus in 11th house but with rahu's malefic aspects from 4th house. He is married but very unhappy in marriage..He's had several other failed relationship in life before and after marriage.> > > > Regards> > Vidya> > > > > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions).> > >  > > > Regards,> > >  -Manoj> > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > Vidya <vidyakmr@>> > > > > > Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > > Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > >  > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. Thanks> > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > > > > regards> > > > deep> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do I> > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sirs,

 

How lucky were these ancients. They had the power of both- " Sense " as well as

the " Sensual " .

 

Sensing the senselessness of todays young breed who have unleashed access to the

sensual in its base form, the jyotish ancients have also given the power of

punishment to the 12th house for those who indulge in such wanton senselessness.

The 12th house will also land them on the other type of bed, if they misuse this

bed by too much use of same.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji,

>

> " Hence Venus gets exalted here. "

> This is what used by ancient tantra technique as well as starting point

> to start yaatra to reach at highly spiritual level.

>

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> Bhaskar wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Venus is the karaka of Love.

> >

> > Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ?

> >

> > Let us not talk in symbols, philosphy and exoteric at times and get to

> > real hard facts.

> >

> > I repeat-

> >

> > Where and when does Love reach its ultimate culminations ?

> >

> > Answer - On the Bed where the couple meets in Physical Union.

> >

> > Which house in the Horoscope represents the Bed pleasures and comfort ?

> >

> > Answer -The 12th House.

> >

> > In the natural Horoscope who represents the 12th House and sign ?

> >

> > Answer - Pisces, with the Lord as Jupiter.

> >

> > Hence Jupiter gets exalted here.

> >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskar Ji; Pt; Roop Chand Joshi is generally written as such but Pt. Ji.

paid a great attention to minute details. He wrote his names spellings as Rup

Chand Joshi; rUP chand joshi; emphasis on up; i came to know it from a great

scholar Mr. Rabinder Bhandari;

His name plate bears testimony to this fact.

Pt Ji was fondly called in his Village Pt. Rup Lal Joshi.

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Swami Roopam Pandit ji,

>

> Yes I agree.

>

> regards/Bhaskar

>

>

> , " swamiroopam " <swamiroopam@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> >

> > Guru is a broad and liberal natured planet,so it is not enimical with

shukra. In the house of Guru, Shukra derives strength of wisdom from guru's

house so it gets strengthened and hence exhalted.

> >

> > best regards

> >

> > Swami Roopam pandit

> >

>

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Dear Shri Kulbir ji,

 

Yes. I have read the foreword by Shri Yogiraj ji in the books about the Jeevani

of Shri Punditji.

 

" Lal " is a form of respect. I remember in 1982 as small teenagers we were given

a work of distributing Wedding invitation cards personally to some families.

This was a work alloted to use kids as a cpnsequence of some wedding announced

in some distant relations. I remember when we reached one house, and handed the

card to the person and vocally requetsing him to grace the occasion, he got

little agitated and returned the card back to us saying that " first change the

name written in the card. Why have you written " Das " ? I will not accept this

card " . Now in Calcutta they still have some bearings of culture, or should I

say overbearings, or finickyness, I am not eligible to comment, but certain

Marwadis are really cranky.

 

In those days yes, name did have lot of impact and respect and status.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji; Pt; Roop Chand Joshi is generally written as such but Pt. Ji.

paid a great attention to minute details. He wrote his names spellings as Rup

Chand Joshi; rUP chand joshi; emphasis on up; i came to know it from a great

scholar Mr. Rabinder Bhandari;

> His name plate bears testimony to this fact.

> Pt Ji was fondly called in his Village Pt. Rup Lal Joshi.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Swami Roopam Pandit ji,

> >

> > Yes I agree.

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar

> >

> >

> > , " swamiroopam "

<swamiroopam@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji

> > >

> > > Guru is a broad and liberal natured planet,so it is not enimical with

shukra. In the house of Guru, Shukra derives strength of wisdom from guru's

house so it gets strengthened and hence exhalted.

> > >

> > > best regards

> > >

> > > Swami Roopam pandit

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

 

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

 

 

 

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

 

 

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

 

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/>

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

 

 

The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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Dear Anita ji and Chiranjiv ji,

 

Sorry to buzz in.

 

Jupiter is not a karaka for female children. It is commonsense that when Jupiter

if on one side represents husband, that itself means that Jupiter is karaka for

a male child. Of course this does not impy that just because Jupiter is in 5th,

male or female children can be judged. The influence on the 5th lord has to be

checked. The 5th sign has to be checked.

 

Jupiter is a Masculine Planet. If placed in a masculine (Odd) sign, then chances

of the first cbhild being Male is much more.

 

Another point, just because Jupiter is placed in 5th so will not allow children

is a myth . Jupiter if does not have any other influence over it, then maybe one

can think so in isolation of Jupiters placement. yet one must be cautious.

Because some dictums do not work as they are meant to (Because we do not know

their application part and not because they are wrong).

 

In same manner because jupiter in transit aspects 7th or 7th lord the person

will marry is another myth.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

>

> Dear Mr.Mehta,

> Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard

more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes

daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv

> Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

>

 

>

>

>

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be

under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

>

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

>

>

> Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Deepenji,

> Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and

as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in

5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person

religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some

how, I think it will  make both the the parent and the child religious and

spiritual. What do you say?

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

>

>

> deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> manoj ji

> pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi

bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the  administration

work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha

sthana ....

> the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in

Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

>

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

>  

> Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally

Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is

one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with

Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour

(ofcourse with other afflictions) .

>  

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

Vidya <vidyakmr >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

>  

>

> Dear Deep Ji,

>

> You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way

you put it. Thanks

>

> Vidya

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

<justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji

> >

> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in   uniting 2 souls

that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is

deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the

union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of

them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of

Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana 

and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults

with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge

lies beneath

> itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..

> >

> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

Rehmat be upon us for always..

> >

> > regards

> > deep

> >

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

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> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

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and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

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> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

> fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11

relationships)

> >

> >

> > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

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> > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

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> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

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> > > Samdhees? That's

> interesting!

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> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great

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> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

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> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet

is

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> > > Regards

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> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

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> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were

sent

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> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What

do

> I

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> > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

astrology%40gr oups. com>,

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> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

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> > > > > Dear Friends,

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> >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> >

> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then

why

> >

> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

> >

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited,

for

> >

> > > > > Bhautik sukh

> as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> >

> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

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> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

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Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.

RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,

Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

 

 

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will  make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

 

 

 

 

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the  administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....

the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

 

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter 

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in   uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana  and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam

> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is

> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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It will only be a problem IF Jupiter is afflicted (and also serious problems only if Ju is close to the cusp of the 5H AND a strong malefic aspects/conjunct within 5 degree of this cusp, hence afflicting Bhava and Karak seriously).

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:41:00 AMRe: Re: Venus and Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

 

 

 

 

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

 

 

 

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

 

 

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

 

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if then

enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then

GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There will

be health related complications which will end with the birth of such girl

child.

 

However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets in

house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life or death

of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict with such enemy

planet/s in house no.1.

 

2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or

Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of

mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will end

with the death of such girl child.

 

This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there are

some really interesting observations in other editions;

 

This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

>

> Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond

> any doubt.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard

> > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes

> > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv* wrote:

> >

> >

> > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv

> >

> > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> >

> > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

> > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> >

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> >

> > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Deepenji,

> > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord

> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it

> > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent

> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> >

> >

> > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> >

> >

> > manoj ji

> > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus

> > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of

> > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in

> > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> >

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> >

> > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally

> > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT

> > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many

> > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> >

> >

> > Dear Deep Ji,

> >

> > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the

> > way you put it. Thanks

> >

> > Vidya

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > >

> > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls

> > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces

> > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only

> > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the

> > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz

> > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking

> > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the

> > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam

> > around to find true knowledge..

> > >

> > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

> > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > >

> > > regards

> > > deep

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > >

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> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > >

> > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean

> > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > >

> > >

> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > situations!!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

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> > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general

> > considerations.

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> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > >

> > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > great

> > >

> > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > planet is

> > >

> > > > inimical to GURU.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Regards

> > >

> > > > Neelam

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were

> > sent

> > >

> > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!

> > What do I

> > >

> > > > > know? ;-)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > >

> > >

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> > >

> > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > then why

> > >

> > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination

> > of

> > >

> > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited,

> > for

> > >

> > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> > >

> > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > >

> > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

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> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

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> > ------------------------------

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

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> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

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Dear Members;

I deliberately put GENERALLY in capital letters; because

1. Lalkitab says " Duniyavi Hisaab Kitab Hai Koi Daawa e Khudai Nahin "

2. It is strictly forbidden to predict death.

Exception are always there owing to a wide range of factors;

False or half baked assumptions can put someone in jeopardy ; thereby leading to

serious implications / consequences.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if

then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then

GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There will

be health related complications which will end with the birth of such girl

child.

>

> However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets

in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life or

death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict with such

enemy planet/s in house no.1.

>

> 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or

Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of

mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will end

with the death of such girl child.

>

> This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there are

some really interesting observations in other editions;

>

> This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Anita ji,

> >

> > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> >

> > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond

> > any doubt.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard

> > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

causes

> > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > >

> > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > >

> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

> > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > >

> > >

> > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord

> > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it

> > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent

> > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > Regards,

> > > Anita

> > >

> > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > manoj ji

> > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus

> > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

> > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of

> > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is

in

> > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > >

> > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

totally

> > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and

THAT

> > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many

> > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > >

> > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the

> > > way you put it. Thanks

> > >

> > > Vidya

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > >

> > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls

> > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where

pisces

> > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only

> > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the

> > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo

bcoz

> > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always

asking

> > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is

the

> > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam

> > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > >

> > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

> > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > deep

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > >

> > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > >

> > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean

> > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > situations!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > >

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> > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general

> > > considerations.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > >

> > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > > great

> > > >

> > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > > planet is

> > > >

> > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were

> > > sent

> > > >

> > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!

> > > What do I

> > > >

> > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > > then why

> > > >

> > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination

> > > of

> > > >

> > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

unafflcited,

> > > for

> > > >

> > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness

and

> > > >

> > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > > >

> > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in..

> > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

> > > .

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Dear Kulbir ji,Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to have some examples to show the application/working to make it more understandable and meaningful.Would be grateful.

RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains

 

 

 

 

 

Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such girl child.

 

However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

 

2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will end with the death of such girl child.

 

This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there are some really interesting observations in other editions;

 

This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Anita ji,

>

> //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

>

> Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond

> any doubt.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard

> > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes

> > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv* wrote:

> >

> >

> > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv

> >

> > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> >

> > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

> > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> >

> >

> > Chiranjiv Mehta

> >

> >

> > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Deepenji,

> > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord

> > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it

> > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent

> > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> >

> >

> > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> >

> >

> > manoj ji

> > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus

> > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

> > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of

> > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in

> > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> >

> >

> > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> >

> > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally

> > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT

> > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many

> > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> >

> >

> > Dear Deep Ji,

> >

> > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the

> > way you put it. Thanks

> >

> > Vidya

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > >

> > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls

> > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces

> > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only

> > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the

> > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz

> > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking

> > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the

> > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not roam

> > around to find true knowledge..

> > >

> > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

> > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > >

> > > regards

> > > deep

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

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> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > >

> > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > >

> > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean

> > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > >

> > >

> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > situations!!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

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> > considerations.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > >

> > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > great

> > >

> > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > planet is

> > >

> > > > inimical to GURU.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Regards

> > >

> > > > Neelam

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were

> > sent

> > >

> > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong!

> > What do I

> > >

> > > > > know? ;-)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > >

> > >

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> > >

> > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > then why

> > >

> > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination

> > of

> > >

> > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited,

> > for

> > >

> > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> > >

> > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > >

> > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear Chiranjiv Ji; lalkitab Says; Jupiter in 5 in father's horoscope with

friends i.e. Sun, Moon or Mars in 9th house; the son born on Thursday will help

the Father immensely; but the next son will lead to troubles in life of father.

If 9th house is occupied by Saturn in natal or it comes there in varshphal; the

son born on Saturday will shower great beneficence of Saturn on father; but the

beneficence from relatives, business related to articles ruled / signified by

Jupiter will not give any profit to the father.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

, chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under

Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

>

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

>

> --- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

>

>

> Anita R <ash.rsh55

> Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

>

>

>  

>

Dear Deepenji,

> Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and

as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in

5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person

religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some

how, I think it will  make both the the parent and the child religious and

spiritual. What do you say?

> Regards,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

>

>

> deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> manoj ji

> pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi

bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the

temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the  administration

work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha

sthana ....

> the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in

Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

>

>

> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

>

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

>  

> Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally

Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is

one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with

Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour

(ofcourse with other afflictions) .

>  

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

Vidya <vidyakmr >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

>  

>

> Dear Deep Ji,

>

> You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way

you put it. Thanks

>

> Vidya

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

<justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji

> >

> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in   uniting 2 souls

that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is

deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the

union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of

them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of

Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana 

and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults

with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge

lies beneath itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..

> >

> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his

Rehmat be upon us for always..

> >

> > regards

> > deep

> >

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> >

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery

and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> >

> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a Piscean Guru

nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> >

> >

> > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

> > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general

considerations.

> >

> >

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> >

> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great

> >

> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet

is

> >

> > > inimical to GURU.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Regards

> >

> > > Neelam

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Dear B. Bhai

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were

sent

> >

> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What

do I

> >

> > > > know? ;-)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> >

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And

> >

> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then

why

> >

> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

> >

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited,

for

> >

> > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and

> >

> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> >

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

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Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners /

professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939

and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth

importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my

knowledge is only of academic interest.

Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir ji,

>

> Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to

> have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> understandable and meaningful.

> Would be grateful.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains

>

> >

> >

> > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if

> > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then

> > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There

> > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such

> > girl child.

> >

> > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets

> > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life

> > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict

> > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> >

> > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or

> > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of

> > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will

> > end with the death of such girl child.

> >

> > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there

> > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> >

> > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Anita ji,

> > >

> > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> > >

> > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy

> > beyond

> > > any doubt.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I

> > heard

> > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

> > causes

> > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> >

> > > >

> > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be

> > under

> > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said

> > lord

> > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would

> > it

> > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the

> > parent

> > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anita

> > > >

> > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > manoj ji

> > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to

> > dhanus

> > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after

> > the

> > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership

> > of

> > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus

> > is in

> > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > totally

> > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and

> > THAT

> > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many

> > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > -Manoj

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------

> > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > >

> > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful

> > the

> > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Vidya

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls

> > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where

> > pisces

> > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only

> > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are

> > the

> > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo

> > bcoz

> > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always

> > asking

> > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter

> > is the

> > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not

> > roam

> > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > >

> > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may

> > his

> > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > deep

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > Â

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > > >

> > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a

> > Piscean

> > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > situations!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > general

> > > > considerations.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > >

> > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > > > great

> > > > >

> > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > > > planet is

> > > > >

> > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who

> > were

> > > > sent

> > > > >

> > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely

> > wrong!

> > > > What do I

> > > > >

> > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > indian_

> > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

> > And

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > > > then why

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > Combination

> > > > of

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > unafflcited,

> > > > for

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness

> > and

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps

> > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan

> > of

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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Kulbir jee,

 

I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came

to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating

blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded

by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which

EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not

bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should

google -- one of these days!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners /

professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939

and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth

importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my

knowledge is only of academic interest.

> Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with

you.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to

> > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > understandable and meaningful.

> > Would be grateful.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5,

if

> > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1,

then

> > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There

> > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such

> > > girl child.

> > >

> > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy

planets

> > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life

> > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict

> > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > >

> > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or

> > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of

> > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which

will

> > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > >

> > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there

> > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > >

> > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > >

> > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> > > >

> > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy

> > > beyond

> > > > any doubt.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I

> > > heard

> > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

> > > causes

> > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be

> > > under

> > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said

> > > lord

> > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would

> > > it

> > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the

> > > parent

> > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Anita

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to

> > > dhanus

> > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after

> > > the

> > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership

> > > of

> > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus

> > > is in

> > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > > totally

> > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and

> > > THAT

> > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many

> > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have

deviant

> > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > -Manoj

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful

> > > the

> > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Vidya

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls

> > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where

> > > pisces

> > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can

only

> > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are

> > > the

> > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in

virgo

> > > bcoz

> > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always

> > > asking

> > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter

> > > is the

> > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not

> > > roam

> > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may

> > > his

> > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > deep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter

takes

> > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a

> > > Piscean

> > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > > situations!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > > general

> > > > > considerations.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being

both

> > > > > great

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > > > > planet is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who

> > > were

> > > > > sent

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely

> > > wrong!

> > > > > What do I

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > > indian_

> > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

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> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If

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> > > > > then why

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

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> > > > > of

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> > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

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> > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan

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Sir,

Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is

of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra.

Calcutta Photo Shop.

The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi

resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over

the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion.

Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The

1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and

it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Kulbir jee,

>

> I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now,

came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners /

professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939

and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth

importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my

knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with

you.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to

> > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > Would be grateful.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5,

if

> > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1,

then

> > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury);

There

> > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of

such

> > > > girl child.

> > > >

> > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy

planets

> > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the

life

> > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict

> > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > >

> > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun

or

> > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of

> > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which

will

> > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > >

> > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5;

there

> > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > >

> > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> > > > >

> > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani

Karo

> > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy

> > > > beyond

> > > > > any doubt.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I

> > > > heard

> > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth

> > > > causes

> > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > To:

<%40.\

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> > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be

> > > > under

> > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said

> > > > lord

> > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc,

is

> > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children,

would

> > > > it

> > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born

> > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the

> > > > parent

> > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >*

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to

> > > > dhanus

> > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking

after

> > > > the

> > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > of

> > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house

venus

> > > > is in

> > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > > > totally

> > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter

and

> > > > THAT

> > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen

many

> > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have

deviant

> > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > the

> > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2

souls

> > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > pisces

> > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2

fishes

> > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can

only

> > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are

> > > > the

> > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in

virgo

> > > > bcoz

> > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always

> > > > asking

> > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > is the

> > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to

not

> > > > roam

> > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may

> > > > his

> > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter

takes

> > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a

> > > > Piscean

> > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > > > general

> > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being

both

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other.

No

> > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children

who

> > > > were

> > > > > > sent

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely

> > > > wrong!

> > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil

asuras.

> > > > And

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If

so

> > > > > > then why

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > Combination

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life

happiness

> > > > and

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy

camps

> > > > ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have

darshan

> > > > of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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Kulbir jee,

 

Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

 

RR_,

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

> The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned

is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra.

Calcutta Photo Shop.

> The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi

resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over

the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion.

Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The

1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and

it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir jee,

> >

> > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now,

came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners /

professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939

and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth

importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my

knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it

with you.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting

to

> > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > Would be grateful.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no.

5, if

> > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no.

1, then

> > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury);

There

> > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of

such

> > > > > girl child.

> > > > >

> > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy

planets

> > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the

life

> > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of

Sun or

> > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb

of

> > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications

which will

> > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5;

there

> > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > >

> > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been

> > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani

Karo

> > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy

> > > > > beyond

> > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as

I

> > > > > heard

> > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in

fifth

> > > > > causes

> > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will

be

> > > > > under

> > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you

said

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc,

is

> > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children,

would

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first

born

> > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the

> > > > > parent

> > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >*

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to

> > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking

after

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house

venus

> > > > > is in

> > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not

a

> > > > > totally

> > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter

and

> > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen

many

> > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have

deviant

> > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar

> > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2

souls

> > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2

fishes

> > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can

only

> > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which

are

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in

virgo

> > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > > > asking

> > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > > is the

> > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to

not

> > > > > roam

> > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and

may

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter

takes

> > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a

> > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > > > > general

> > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being

both

> > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children

who

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely

> > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil

asuras.

> > > > > And

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ?

If so

> > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life

happiness

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy

camps

> > > > > ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have

darshan

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage.

> > > > > http://in..

> > > > > > > com/ <http://in./>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<

> > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<

> > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<

> > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage<

> > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

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Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //

Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i

don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in

Romanised Hindi;

" " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit

nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun

kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.

2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin

prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski

gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.

3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.

4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko

pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .

 

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

, " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Kulbir jee,

>

> Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

>

> RR_,

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir,

> > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

> > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi

resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbir jee,

> > >

> > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now,

came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners

/ professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions;

1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth

importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my

knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it

with you.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house

no. 5, if

> > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no.

1, then

> > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury);

There

> > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth

of such

> > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy

planets

> > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such;

the life

> > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of

Sun or

> > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications

which will

> > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5;

there

> > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have

been

> > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani

Karo

> > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far

as I

> > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in

fifth

> > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will

be

> > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you

said

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children,

would

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first

born

> > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the

the

> > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >*

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared

to

> > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking

after

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house

venus

> > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is

not a

> > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have

deviant

> > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2

souls

> > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2

fishes

> > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls

can only

> > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which

are

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility

in virgo

> > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has

to not

> > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and

may

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's

a

> > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about

the

> > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil

asuras.

> > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other

? If so

> > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life

happiness

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy

camps

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have

darshan

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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Kulbir jee,

 

I did not fully understand the transliterated message, but that is not your

fault! Thanks for sharing!

 

The 'sense' I got was that in Lal-Kitab the planets perhaps were visualized as

the Devas-- energy_forms!

 

Speaking of Siddhants, recently we had been hearing of there being a Surya

Siddhanta-based calculations of planets and these often end up giving

'placements' different from what most of us are used to, the ones that use

software and ephemeris and Swiss and NASA-JPL routines.

 

Perhaps " Lal-Kitab " users should look into exploring if their results are more

in tune with Surya Siddhanta calculations, etc...!

 

Just a thought!!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " kulbir " <kulbirbains

wrote:

>

> Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //

> Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab;

i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in

Romanised Hindi;

> " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit

nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun

kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.

> 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin

prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski

gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.

> 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.

> 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko

pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir jee,

> >

> > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

> > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while

now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many

practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and

41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and

henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to

support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it

with you.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house

no. 5, if

> > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house

no. 1, then

> > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl

(mercury); There

> > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth

of such

> > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the

enemy planets

> > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such;

the life

> > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets

of Sun or

> > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications

which will

> > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house

no.5; there

> > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have

been

> > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava

Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As

far as I

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in

fifth

> > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native

will be

> > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you

said

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying

children, would

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the

first born

> > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the

the

> > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@

>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as

compared to

> > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work

,looking after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also

the

> > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th

house venus

> > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is

not a

> > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV

have deviant

> > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting

2 souls

> > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also

2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls

can only

> > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious

which are

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility

in virgo

> > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has

to not

> > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar

and may

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and

there's a

> > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into

challenging

> > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about

the

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > >

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Wow kulbirji,Am not very good in literature hindi. But the essense i got is, what we talk about in charts as planets are not the same as the planets in solar system and that they are certain kinds of energy's and the names of planets are symbolic representations. Am i right so far?RegardsSanthoshSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel "kulbir" <kulbirbainsTue, 15 Dec 2009 04:09:07 -0000 Re: Venus and Jupiter Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in Romanised Hindi; " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .RegardsKulbir Bains. , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan wrote:>> Kulbir jee,> > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!> > RR_,> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:> >> > Sir,> > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books> > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;> > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:> > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:> > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;> > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.> > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib ( calighrapher, composer script-writter).> > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala; Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.> > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.> > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.> > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > , " rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:> > >> > > Kulbir jee,> > > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!> > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.> > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it with you.> > > > Regards> > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be interesting to> > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more> > > > > understandable and meaningful.> > > > > Would be grateful.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 5, if> > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house no. 1, then> > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl (mercury); There> > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth of such> > > > > > girl child.> > > > > >> > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the enemy planets> > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such; the life> > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of conflict> > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets of Sun or> > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the womb of> > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications which will> > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;> > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house no.5; there> > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;> > > > > >> > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5 mention.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>,> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been> > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo> > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy> > > > > > beyond> > > > > > > any doubt.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,> > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I> > > > > > heard> > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth> > > > > > causes> > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be> > > > > > under> > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,> > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is> > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born> > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the> > > > > > parent> > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Anita> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > manoj ji> > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate> > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to> > > > > > dhanus> > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the> > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....> > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus> > > > > > is in> > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a> > > > > > totally> > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and> > > > > > THAT> > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many> > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant> > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >> > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM> > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar> > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls> > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where> > > > > > pisces> > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes> > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only> > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo> > > > > > bcoz> > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always> > > > > > asking> > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter> > > > > > is the> > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has to not> > > > > > roam> > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > deep> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes> > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and there's a> > > > > > Piscean> > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging> > > > > > > > situations!!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the> > > > > > general> > > > > > > > considerations.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both> > > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No> > > > > > > > planet is> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Neelam> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who> > > > > > were> > > > > > > > sent> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely> > > > > > wrong!> > > > > > > > What do I> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_> > > > > > indian_> > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.> > > > > > And> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so> > > > > > > > then why> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?> > > > > > Combination> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when> > > > > > unafflcited,> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps> > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > > > http://in..> > > > > > > > com/ <http://in./>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage<> > > > > > http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http://in./>> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! 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Dear RR ji and others,

 

Those who wish can visit me for a Live Demo of Surya Siddhanta principles put in

practise in the right way it must be. Without paper,pencil,calculator(which you

may keep in your hand)

,or Panchanga, or any help from any book, Data or statistics,One may ask me

about planetary positions of any planet in any century , and within 5-10

minutes,will give you the result which can be checked as accurate to within 1

degree from any modern software for that date.

 

Hard to believe ? but there are many in Bombay who can do this.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan wrote:

>

> Kulbir jee,

>

> I did not fully understand the transliterated message, but that is not your

fault! Thanks for sharing!

>

> The 'sense' I got was that in Lal-Kitab the planets perhaps were visualized as

the Devas-- energy_forms!

>

> Speaking of Siddhants, recently we had been hearing of there being a Surya

Siddhanta-based calculations of planets and these often end up giving

'placements' different from what most of us are used to, the ones that use

software and ephemeris and Swiss and NASA-JPL routines.

>

> Perhaps " Lal-Kitab " users should look into exploring if their results are more

in tune with Surya Siddhanta calculations, etc...!

>

> Just a thought!!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> >

> > Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //

> > Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on

lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as

such in Romanised Hindi;

> > " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se

sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki

kissi bhi prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan

bindu kaun kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat

ki gayi, isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.

> > 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin

bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski

gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.

> > 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.

> > 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko

pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Kulbir jee,

> > >

> > > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952

AD.

> > > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of

Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram

Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while

now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kulbir "

<kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many

practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and

41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and

henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to

support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share

it with you.

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in

house no. 5, if

> > > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house

no. 1, then

> > > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl

(mercury); There

> > > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the

birth of such

> > > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the

enemy planets

> > > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as

such; the life

> > > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets

of Sun or

> > > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related

complications which will

> > > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house

no.5; there

> > > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers

have been

> > > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava

Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As

far as I

> > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru

in fifth

> > > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native

will be

> > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >*

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that

you said

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying

children, would

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the

first born

> > > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both

the the

> > > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@

>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place

of ultimate

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as

compared to

> > > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work

,looking after

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also

the

> > > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th

house venus

> > > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces

is not a

> > > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV

have deviant

> > > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in Â

uniting 2 souls

> > > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in

pisces ,where

> > > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and

also 2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2

souls can only

> > > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious

which are

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in

debility in virgo

> > > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student

is always

> > > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude

while jupiter

> > > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he

has to not

> > > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar

and may

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > Â

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and

there's a

> > > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into

challenging

> > > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â

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> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke

about the

> > > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > > > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the

evil asuras.

> > > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each

other ? If so

> > > > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter

?

> > > > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best

when

> > > > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material

Life happiness

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in

enemy camps

> > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to

have darshan

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and "hum do hamare do" was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.Regards to

you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter Date: Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

 

 

Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.

RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,

Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

 

 

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

 

 

 

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....

the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

 

 

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

 

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the "negative" sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the "garbha" of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam

> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is

> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Anita ji,//May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children//There's Rahu also in 5H in the example you gave. Any other aspects? What about the Fifth Lord? The dasha in operation. More daughters would be born in the dasha of a female planet, is what the classics maintain!

Also the saptamsha would have a lot to contribute. One can only say something with full details in hand. Quite a bit of moderation needed before fixing!RegardsNeelam2009/12/15 Anita R <ash.rsh55

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,It is not my observation but I was told so by our family astrologer, In fact, a doctor I know has guru and Rahu in 5th in Dhanu and she has 1 son. He is her only child and she is desperately trying for a second child since the boy is almost 9 years old but without success. May be guru in 5th restricts the number of children. May be the reason for this belief to arise is that  in the days when astrology developed as a science children especially sons were treated as a mans greatest asset and " hum do hamare do " was considered a deficiency and therefore guru in 5th was considered an undesirable situation to have in a persons horoscope. I have guru in 5th and I have only 1 daughter but she is a remarkable child and I consider her as Gods greatest gift to me. I am very proud of her. So much for karako bhava nashaya.

Regards to

you,Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 4:18 PM

 

 

Dear Anita ji,//guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.//Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have been propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their fallacy beyond any doubt.

RegardsNeelam2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Mehta,Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As far as I heard more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the cases.Regards,

Anita--- On Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

 

 

 

First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native will be under Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 > wrote:

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiterancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepenji,Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you said lord and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying children, would it make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the first born religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will  make both the the parent and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

Regards, Anita--- On Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ > wrote:

deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

 

 

 

 

manoj jipisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as compared to dhanus rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work ,looking after the temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also the  administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the ownership of pisces that is moksha sthana ....

the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th house venus is in Abhishek Bacchans chart ...--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

 

Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is not a totally Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and THAT is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have seen many charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Vidya <vidyakmr >ancient_indian_ astrologySun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter 

Dear Deep Ji,You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so beautiful the way you put it. ThanksVidyaancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Bhaskarji> > Venus is the love god and is always interested in   uniting 2 souls that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces ,where pisces is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls can only occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious which are the prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility in virgo bcoz it is an upachay sthana  and mecury as an immature student is always asking for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while jupiter is the one who know that all knowledge lies beneath

itself and he has to not roam around to find true knowledge..> > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may his Rehmat be upon us for always..> > regards> deep

> > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > May be the relationship is different for the two signs! Jupiter takes fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and air!> > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi

fires and there's a Piscean Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)> > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging situations!!> > Regards> Neelam

> > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about the general considerations.

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!> > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both great> > > benefics do they club together for a cause?> > >> > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each other. No planet is

> > > inimical to GURU.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear B. Bhai> > > >> > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)> > > >

> > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who were sent> > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be entirely wrong! What do

I> > > > know? ;-)> > > >> > > > Rohiniranjan> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > >

> > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras. And> > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so then why> > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ? Combination of

> > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when unafflcited, for> > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness and> > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in enemy camps ?> > > > >> > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have darshan of

> > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.> > > > >> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Santhosh ji; Yes, You are absolutely right.

Regards.

Kulbir Bains.

 

, santhosh wrote:

>

> Wow kulbirji,

> Am not very good in literature hindi. But the essense i got is, what we talk

about in charts as planets are not the same as the planets in solar system and

that they are certain kinds of energy's and the names of planets are symbolic

representations. Am i right so far?

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " kulbir " <kulbirbains

> Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:09:07

>

> Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //

> Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on lalkitab;

i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as such in

Romanised Hindi;

> " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon se sambhandhit

nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun

kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.

> 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin bhin

prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski

gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.

> 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.

> 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko

pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir jee,

> >

> > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published in 1952 AD.

> > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident of Pharwala

depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma Ram Sharma

resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore and contact address

mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta Photo Shop.

> > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri Jyoti Ram

Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date of birth

18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and retired as

Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g

Lahore, Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service tenure.

He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first cousins.

> > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small number.

Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu into

oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal "

<rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish for a while

now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it sounds like a

fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy exists on

Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific URL. And I

am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the original one? I

hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive questions.

Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not many

practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42 and

41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest and

henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data to

support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will surely share it

with you.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > , neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab. It would be

interesting to

> > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working to make it more

> > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house

no. 5, if

> > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy the throne i.e house

no. 1, then

> > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother will be a girl

(mercury); There

> > > > > > > will be health related complications which will end with the birth

of such

> > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother is a male then the

enemy planets

> > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and will treat it as such;

the life

> > > > > > > or death of such male child will de determined by the degree of

conflict

> > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1 if then enemy planets

of Sun or

> > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then GENERALLY the child in the

womb of

> > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health related complications

which will

> > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan 1940 edition;

> > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua Jupiter in house

no.5; there

> > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in other editions;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl child and Jupiter 5

mention.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be born in most of the

cases.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your observation? Some astrologers have

been

> > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako Bhav Nashaye and Bhava

Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at BVB have proved their

fallacy

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. Especially the second part.As

far as I

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far begetting children , guru in

fifth

> > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of the cases.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > To:

<%40.\

com>

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be problemetic. The person/native

will be

> > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child next.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R <ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009, 1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th lord signifying all that you

said

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural zodiac signifying guru,dharma

etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another dharma house signifying

children, would

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > make the person religious / spiritual or will it make the

first born

> > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I think it will make both the

the

> > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > and the child religious and spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@

>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the Rishis reside ,its the place of

ultimate

> > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene , jupiter doesnt like it as

compared to

> > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day to day religious work

,looking after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas ,anushthans and yagyas ,also

the

> > > > > > > > > administration work which makes jupiter more happy than the

ownership

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with aries ascendant and 12th

house venus

> > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>*

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji, but, unfortunately Pisces is

not a

> > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it is the " negative " sign of

Jupiter and

> > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons Venus is exalted there. I have

seen many

> > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in Pisces with Low SAV/BAV

have deviant

> > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr >

> > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009 8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did you learn that? It was so

beautiful

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen

thakkar

> > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is always interested in  uniting

2 souls

> > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he finds himself exalted in pisces

,where

> > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the " garbha " of true knowledge and also

2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls ...The true union between 2 souls

can only

> > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are understanding, patient and pious

which are

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru , while finds itself in debility

in virgo

> > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and mecury as an immature student is

always

> > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with his learning attitude while

jupiter

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge lies beneath itself and he has

to not

> > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar

and may

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Venus and

Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009, 10:59 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is different for the two signs!

Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas Shukra rules over earth and

air!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra multiplying the sagi fires and

there's a

> > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth (3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and Pisc-Lib, we might get into

challenging

> > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider them as inimical. I spoke about

the

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam

gupta

> > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's interesting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari).

Being both

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot say they're both inimical to each

other. No

> > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!' :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about Shukra or Brihaspati, but their

children who

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and got married! Of course I could be

entirely

> > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_

> > > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil

asuras.

> > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev Guru. So are they inimical to each

other ? If so

> > > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life

happiness

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter). Then why are they still considered in

enemy camps

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be available for the day now, going to have

darshan

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

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> > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

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Dear Kulbirji,

 

Why I said wow is because this has been my

absolute personal view too.

 

However, the problem I haven’t been

able to reconcile is the whole calculation is based on actual movement of the

said planets and not any imaginary periods of orbits. Well again this is my assumption

that they are the same and I have not cross-checked so a member may correct me

in this regard.

 

Regards and Thanks

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of kulbir

Tuesday, December 15, 2009

1:57 PM

 

Subject:

Re: Venus and Jupiter

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh ji; Yes, You are absolutely right.

Regards.

Kulbir Bains.

 

,

santhosh wrote:

>

> Wow kulbirji,

> Am not very good in literature hindi. But the essense i got is, what we

talk about in charts as planets are not the same as the planets in solar system

and that they are certain kinds of energy's and the names of planets are

symbolic representations. Am i right so far?

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

>

> " kulbir " <kulbirbains

> Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:09:07

>

> Re: Venus and Jupiter

>

> Sir, //it sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra //

> Pt Chandra Muni Pathak has an interesting note in his commentary on

lalkitab; i don't know how to translate it into English so i am putting it as

such in Romanised Hindi;

> " " 1. Bharat mein grahon ka jyotishiye jyan saurmandal ke grahon

se sambhandhit nahin hai, apitu ek aisa sidhanth hai, jisme yeh bataya gaya hai ki kissi bhi

prakrtik - aprakritik ikkayion me balrekhaon se bane oorja uttsarjan bindu kaun

kaun hain. Saurmandal ke grahon ki pehchan bhi isi sidhant ke tahat ki gayi,

isliye inme samanta pratit hoti hai.

> 2. kissi bhi ikkayi mein grah ke naam se jaane wale in 9 binduon se bhin

bhin prakar ki oorja-trange uttpan hoti hain. us ikkayi ki aakriti avam uski

gun-pravartiyan in hi trango ke gunnatamak samikaran par nirbhar karti hai.

> 3. inhi tarango ko bharat mein devi devta ke naam se bhi jaana jata hai.

> 4. Lalkitab mein grahon ki vastyon ki sarini inhi tarango ki sthiti ko

pehchankar banayi gayi hai, " " .

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> ,

" rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir jee,

> >

> > Thanks for your response. Much apprecited!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > ,

" kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > Lalkitb comprises of 5 books

> > > 1. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Farmaan, published in 1939 AD;

> > > 2. Samudrik Ki Lalkitab Ke Armaan, published in 1940 AD:

> > > 3. Lalkitab Teesra Hissa published, in 1941 AD:

> > > 4. Lalkitab Tarmeemshuda published, in 1942 AD;

> > > 5. Ilm-e Samudrik ki buniyad par jyotish ki Lalkitab published

in 1952 AD.

> > > The books have photograph of Pt. Sharma Girdhari Lal; resident

of Pharwala depicting him as printer and publisher and the name of Shri Aatma

Ram Sharma resident of Tehsil Noorpur; District Kangra is mentioned as Katib (

calighrapher, composer script-writter).

> > > The books were printed at Jahaazi Press, Lahore

and contact address mentioned is of Calcutta Photo Shop; Amritsar; Calcutta Photo Shop; Dharmshala;

Kangra. Calcutta

Photo Shop.

> > > The author of these books is Pt. Rup Chand Joshi son of Shri

Jyoti Ram Joshi resident of Village Pharwala, District Jalandhar; Punjab; Date

of birth 18-01-1898; or 10-5-1898; Pt. Ji served in Defense accounts and

retired as Assistant Accounts officer. He was posted at different places in India e.g Lahore,

Dharamshal, Bombay, Madras, Ambala, Shimla. During his service

tenure. He expired on 24-12-1982.

> > > Pt. Girdhari lal Sharma ji and Pt Rup Chand joshi ji were first

cousins.

> > > These books were written in Urdu script and published in a small

number. Over the years English and hindi took the centre stage, pushing Urdu

into oblivion. Some translations appeared in 1990's in hindi but had many many

mistakes; The 1952 edition's translation caught fancy of every one who laid his

eyes on it and it further let to ignorance about other 4 editions.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > ,

" rohinicrystal " <rohini_ranjan@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Kulbir jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am a new member here and although familiar with jyotish

for a while now, came to learn about 'lal kitab' only a few years ago and it

sounds like a fascinating blend of jyotish and tantra. I think a scanned copy

exists on Lulu.com uploaded by J. Dhindsa jee. Sorry, I do not have a specific

URL. And I am not sure which EDITION this one was. Was the 1940 edition the

original one? I hope I am not bothering you and wasting your time with my naive

questions. Perhaps I should google -- one of these days!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > ,

" kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; Since it comes from 1940 edition; not

many practitioners / professionals know about it; they generally consult 52, 42

and 41 editions; 1939 and 1940 editions have not received that much interest

and henceforth importance. I am just a novice in this field so i have no data

to support; my knowledge is only of academic interest.

> > > > > Whenever i come across a practical application; i will

surely share it with you.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for sharing the dictums of Lal Kitab.

It would be interesting to

> > > > > > have some examples to show the application/working

to make it more

> > > > > > understandable and meaningful.

> > > > > > Would be grateful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2009/12/14 kulbir <kulbirbains@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ms. Neelam ji; lalkitab says 1)- When Sun or

Jupiter are in house no. 5, if

> > > > > > > then enemy planets of Sun or Jupiter occupy

the throne i.e house no. 1, then

> > > > > > > GENERALLY the child in the womb of mother

will be a girl (mercury); There

> > > > > > > will be health related complications which

will end with the birth of such

> > > > > > > girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However if the child in the womb of mother

is a male then the enemy planets

> > > > > > > in house no 1. will consider it as Sun and

will treat it as such; the life

> > > > > > > or death of such male child will de

determined by the degree of conflict

> > > > > > > with such enemy planet/s in house no.1.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2)- When Sun or Jupiter are in house no. 1

if then enemy planets of Sun or

> > > > > > > Jupiter occupy the house no. 5.; then

GENERALLY the child in the womb of

> > > > > > > mother will be a girl; There will be health

related complications which will

> > > > > > > end with the death of such girl child.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is from page 197-198 of Lalkitab Armaan

1940 edition;

> > > > > > > i will try to write a note about progeny qua

Jupiter in house no.5; there

> > > > > > > are some really interesting observations in

other editions;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This i quoted because of reference of girl

child and Jupiter 5 mention.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Anita ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //guru in fifth causes daughters to be

born in most of the cases.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Is it just a hearsay or your

observation? Some astrologers have been

> > > > > > > > propagating baseless myths like Karako

Bhav Nashaye and Bhava Hani Karo

> > > > > > > > Jeeva, etc. Several researches done at

BVB have proved their fallacy

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > any doubt.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2009/12/14 Anita R <ash.rsh55@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr.Mehta,

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification.

Especially the second part.As far as I

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > more than problems arising as far

begetting children , guru in fifth

> > > > > > > causes

> > > > > > > > > daughters to be born in most of

the cases.

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, chiranjiv

mehta <vchiranjiv@>* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Re:

Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009,

8:38 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First born begetting will be

problemetic. The person/native will be

> > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > Jupiterian influence first. Child

next.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Mon, 14/12/09, Anita R

<ash.rsh55 >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Anita R <ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > > > > > Monday, 14 December, 2009,

1:47 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deepenji,

> > > > > > > > > Just a thought. If Ju as the 12th

lord signifying all that you said

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > and as 9th lord of the natural

zodiac signifying guru,dharma etcc, is

> > > > > > > > > situated in 5th house, another

dharma house signifying children, would

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > make the person religious /

spiritual or will it make the first born

> > > > > > > > > religious / spiritual? Some how, I

think it will make both the the

> > > > > > > parent

> > > > > > > > > and the child religious and

spiritual. What do you say?

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, deepen

thakkar <justcoolout@ >* wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > deepen thakkar

<justcoolout@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009,

7:14 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > pisces is the place where the

Rishis reside ,its the place of ultimate

> > > > > > > > > knowledge ,calm and serene ,

jupiter doesnt like it as compared to

> > > > > > > dhanus

> > > > > > > > > rashi bcoz he likes to do the day

to day religious work ,looking after

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > temple,giving offerings ,pujas

,anushthans and yagyas ,also the

> > > > > > > > > administration work which makes

jupiter more happy than the ownership

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > pisces that is moksha sthana ....

> > > > > > > > > the combo you are referring with

aries ascendant and 12th house venus

> > > > > > > is in

> > > > > > > > > Abhishek Bacchans chart ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 13/12/09, Manoj

Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >*

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ >

> > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December, 2009,

9:36 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji, Vidya Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Very nice thoughts from Deep Ji,

but, unfortunately Pisces is not a

> > > > > > > totally

> > > > > > > > > Pious sign of Jupiter. Infact it

is the " negative " sign of Jupiter and

> > > > > > > THAT

> > > > > > > > > is one of the primary reasons

Venus is exalted there. I have seen many

> > > > > > > > > charts with Aries rising, Venus in

Pisces with Low SAV/BAV have deviant

> > > > > > > > > sexual behaviour (ofcourse with

other afflictions) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > ** Vidya <vidyakmr (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > > > > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Sun, December 13, 2009

8:13:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Deep Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are such a wise man..Where did

you learn that? It was so beautiful

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > way you put it. Thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vidya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com, deepen thakkar

> > > > > > > > > <justcoolout@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Venus is the love god and is

always interested in  uniting 2 souls

> > > > > > > > > that too unconditionally so he

finds himself exalted in pisces ,where

> > > > > > > pisces

> > > > > > > > > is deep end of ocean ,the

" garbha " of true knowledge and also 2 fishes

> > > > > > > > > signify the union of 2 souls

....The true union between 2 souls can only

> > > > > > > > > occur if both of them are

understanding, patient and pious which are

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prime charectiristics of Guru ,

while finds itself in debility in virgo

> > > > > > > bcoz

> > > > > > > > > it is an upachay sthana and

mecury as an immature student is always

> > > > > > > asking

> > > > > > > > > for moree and finding faults with

his learning attitude while jupiter

> > > > > > > is the

> > > > > > > > > one who know that all knowledge

lies beneath itself and he has to not

> > > > > > > roam

> > > > > > > > > around to find true knowledge..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Besides tht please pray on my

behalf in Khwaja ji's Darbar and may

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > Rehmat be upon us for always..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/12/09, neelam

gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: Venus and Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 13 December,

2009, 10:59 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May be the relationship is

different for the two signs! Jupiter takes

> > > > > > > > > fiery and watery domains whereas

Shukra rules over earth and air!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > There's a Libra shukra

multiplying the sagi fires and there's a

> > > > > > > Piscean

> > > > > > > > > Guru nurturing the taurus earth

(3/11 relationships)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Clubbing Tau-sagi and

Pisc-Lib, we might get into challenging

> > > > > > > > > situations!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 Bhaskar

<bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Of course, I do not consider

them as inimical. I spoke about the

> > > > > > > general

> > > > > > > > > considerations.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology, neelam gupta

> > > > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Samdhees? That's

interesting!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They're said to be

Samdharmees (as per Laghu Parashari). Being both

> > > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > benefics do they club

together for a cause?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we cannot

say they're both inimical to each other. No

> > > > > > > > > planet is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > inimical to GURU.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2009/12/13 rohinicrystal

<rohini_ranjan@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear B. Bhai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > They are 'samdhees!'

:-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It was never about

Shukra or Brihaspati, but their children who

> > > > > > > were

> > > > > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > over to meet and

got married! Of course I could be entirely

> > > > > > > wrong!

> > > > > > > > > What do I

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > know? ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_

> > > > > > > indian_

> > > > > > > > > astrology%40gr oups. com>,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is said

that Venus-Shukracharya is Guru of the evil asuras.

> > > > > > > And

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Dev

Guru. So are they inimical to each other ? If so

> > > > > > > > > then why

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does Venus get

Exalted in Pisces in sign of Jupiter ?

> > > > > > > Combination

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus-Jupiter

is considered to be one of the best when

> > > > > > > unafflcited,

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhautik sukh

as well as Parlokik sukha (Material Life happiness

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thereafter).

Then why are they still considered in enemy camps

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not be

available for the day now, going to have darshan

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pushkar and

Ajmer-Khwajaji both.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > >

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