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Dear Puneetji,

 

That could be the view of lal Kitab and

not ascribed to by other classics. Moon is considered weak or strong on other

grounds, the main being if It has paksha bala. This is more important than

even, moon being exalted in Taurus. Exaltation in Taurus comes second and then

it being in own house. This should be adjusted for malefic/benific drishti and

being in between malefics/benifics etc.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Thursday, December 03, 2009

10:17 PM

 

Re:

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR KULBIRJI

 

I do not understand LAL KITAB,there is no question of concern for my

horoscope

How can Mercury and Sun be at a difference of 7 signs.

 

Secondly I do not agree with your view that Moon in 10 in own house is weak

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains (AT) in (DOT) com>

wrote:

 

kulbir <kulbirbains (AT) in (DOT) com>

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 4:05 AM

 

 

Puneet ji;

 

1. the first query from your side should have been;- Can sun and mercury be

at difference of 7 houses ?.

 

may be the reason is that you are more concerned about your own horoscope.

 

2. lalkitab method takes only houses into consideration; not the signs. There

is very limited role of sign; that too confined to calculative part or remedy

part.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

ancient_indian_

astrology, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji

> Moon is not weak in 10 house,it is in his own sign CANCER.

> RegardsPuneet AhujaÂ

>

> --- On Wed, 2/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:

>

> kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 8:14 PM

>

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> Sir,s'

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> Lalkitab says that Sun in 6th house with a weak moon in horoscope; or

with mercury in 12th house; adversely effects heart beat;

>

> Blood Pressure problem is pronounced.

>

> in this case sun is in house no 6; moon in house no 10 which falls in

category of weak.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma

<deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Santosh,

>

> > Thanks for giving your further opinion.

>

> > Moon and Mars - both signify blood (Uttarakalamrita)

>

> > Sun, Moon, Mars, 4th House & Jupiter should be considered for

BP / Heart Problems.

>

> > As Jupiter governs arteries, Its role is important for BP cases.

>

> > I missed this in earlier mail - Thanks for raising this point.

>

> > //BP Definition in this context (taken from www.mayoclinic. com)

>

> > Blood pressure is determined by the amount of blood your heart

pumps

>

> > and the amount

>

> > of resistance to blood flow in your arteries. The more

>

> > blood your heart pumps and

>

> > the narrower your arteries, the higher your

>

> > blood pressure //

>

> > Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > " santhosh@ . " <santhosh@ .>

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Wed, December 2, 2009 7:10:57 AM

>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear deepak,

>

> > I misstook d4. My mistake and apologies.

>

> >

>

> > I beg to differ with you on the signification for mars. Mars signifies

bone marrow and not blood.

>

> > Bone marrow works to produce blood and it has got nothing to do

with the blood preasure. This could be due to deposits in the blood of

colestrol and fat. Thats why bp and colestrol generally come together.

Jupiter signifies fats and colestrol. You will see in his chart that ju is in

neecha.

>

> > His roga time started in venus dasa which in 6h after

rectification. What roga? Because of ju, bp is definitely in picture. Ask him

about colestrol also.

>

> > By the way chandra signifies blood not moon. Here it means all

liquid in the body including blood.

>

> > I hope it is clear

>

> > Regards

>

> > Santhosh

>

> >

>

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> >

>

> > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

>

> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:26:42 -0800 (PST)

>

> > <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> > Hi Santhosh,

>

> >

>

> > Kindly go through my earlier mail again -

>

> > 1.) D-4 Chart is not considered at all,

>

> > 2.) D-9 is considered to check the strength of Sun. Anything

Strange?

>

> > 3.) Is it Strange to go into Shashtamsha Chart (D-6) for diseases?

>

> > // can you please elucidate on the connection between mars and bp

//

>

> > Mars ruling muscular parts and blood should be checked for BP

cases.

>

> > Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > " santhosh@sudhamayi .com " <santhosh@sudhamayi .

com>

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Tue, December 1, 2009 10:19:59 PM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear deepak,

>

> >

>

> > Thats strange going into d6 and d4. Further, can you please

elucidate on the connection between mars and bp. Where did you get it from?

>

> > Regards

>

> > Santhosh

>

> >

>

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> >

>

> > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

>

> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:27:53 -0800 (PST)

>

> > <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> > Dear Puneet Ji,

>

> > Without going into Birth time rectification / fixing of Ascendant,

which may

>

> > require further inputs and study, it can be observed that -

>

> >

>

> > * Your BP problem is due to debilitation of Sun in D-9 and

Debilitation of Marsin D-6 Chart. Mars being dispositor of current dasha

(irrespective of ascendant) also matters here.

>

> > * Weak Sun is also responsible for Job related problems though

there must be other reasons as well.Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 >

>

> >

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Tue, December 1, 2009 6:47:41 PM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear Puneet,

>

> > according to my knowledge it will give the efects of both houses as

well as 5thH since it is retro and you yourself are confirming it.Do not also

forget as you said it will give lagna/12thH afects which you also mentioned.Anyway

since it is a sandhi lagna i feel the birth time need to be

checked/rectified. ......

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > gopi.

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja

<punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Gopi

>

> > > I am getting bad effects as Venus is also retrograde and

sincrely think it is bad effects of 6 house as  if venus in 7 then it

aspects lagna then I must definitely get good effects.

>

> > > Venus Dasa started in 1993 Iit was giving good effects till

2001 after that it has been giving bad effects ,you can say from 1993 to 2001

it gave 7 house effects and since 201 it is giving 6 house bhava effects-is

 this possible---- --------- -------Â

>

> > > RegardsPuneet Ahuja

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .

>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

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> > > Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:45 PM

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> > > Dear Puneet ji,

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> > > Are you really getting bad effects is the crux of the

matter.If so only then Bhava chart should be considered.But my personal

opinion is both 6 as well as 7H could give bad effects but those bad effects

vary and you know why.....

>

> > > Love and regards,

>

> > > gopi.

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet

ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > DEAR GIRISH

>

> > > > Thanks for your mailMy details are ÃÆ'‚Â

Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm ÃÆ'‚Â My question is since I

am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but in bhava chart it is in 6

house,I feel that I am getting more negative effects of Venus in 6 house as per

Bhava chart.

>

> > > > Kindly give your advise for above.

>

> > > > Warm RegardsPuneet AhujaÃÆ'‚Â

>

> > > >

>

> > > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon horamag@ wrote:

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> > > >

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> > > > Girish menon horamag@

>

> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT

CHAKRA

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Dear SantoshjiMoon is in 10 house and it is Dasami tithi ,waning Moon ,own house in Cancer so cannot follow it is weak---RegardsPuneet Ahuja --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Santhosh <santhosh wrote:Santhosh <santhoshRE: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA Date: Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 9:40 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Puneetji, That could be the view of lal Kitab and

not ascribed to by other classics. Moon is considered weak or strong on other

grounds, the main being if It has paksha bala. This is more important than

even, moon being exalted in Taurus. Exaltation in Taurus comes second and then

it being in own house. This should be adjusted for malefic/benific drishti and

being in between malefics/benifics etc. Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Thursday, December 03, 2009

10:17 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology

Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR KULBIRJI

 

I do not understand LAL KITAB,there is no question of concern for my

horoscope

How can Mercury and Sun be at a difference of 7 signs.

 

Secondly I do not agree with your view that Moon in 10 in own house is weak

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>

wrote:

kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 4:05 AM

Puneet ji;

 

1. the first query from your side should have been;- Can sun and mercury be

at difference of 7 houses ?.

 

may be the reason is that you are more concerned about your own horoscope.

 

2. lalkitab method takes only houses into consideration; not the signs. There

is very limited role of sign; that too confined to calculative part or remedy

part.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

ancient_indian_

astrology, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji

> Moon is not weak in 10 house,it is in his own sign CANCER.

> RegardsPuneet AhujaÂ

>

> --- On Wed, 2/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:

>

> kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_

astrology

> Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 8:14 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Sir,s'

>

>

>

> Lalkitab says that Sun in 6th house with a weak moon in horoscope; or

with mercury in 12th house; adversely effects heart beat;

>

> Blood Pressure problem is pronounced.

>

> in this case sun is in house no 6; moon in house no 10 which falls in

category of weak.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir

>

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma

<deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Santosh,

>

> > Thanks for giving your further opinion.

>

> > Moon and Mars - both signify blood (Uttarakalamrita)

>

> > Sun, Moon, Mars, 4th House & Jupiter should be considered for

BP / Heart Problems.

>

> > As Jupiter governs arteries, Its role is important for BP cases.

>

> > I missed this in earlier mail - Thanks for raising this point.

>

> > //BP Definition in this context (taken from www.mayoclinic. com)

>

> > Blood pressure is determined by the amount of blood your heart

pumps

>

> > and the amount

>

> > of resistance to blood flow in your arteries. The more

>

> > blood your heart pumps and

>

> > the narrower your arteries, the higher your

>

> > blood pressure //

>

> > Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > "santhosh@ ." <santhosh@ .>

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Wed, December 2, 2009 7:10:57 AM

>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear deepak,

>

> > I misstook d4. My mistake and apologies.

>

> >

>

> > I beg to differ with you on the signification for mars. Mars signifies

bone marrow and not blood.

>

> > Bone marrow works to produce blood and it has got nothing to do

with the blood preasure. This could be due to deposits in the blood of

colestrol and fat. Thats why bp and colestrol generally come together.

Jupiter signifies fats and colestrol. You will see in his chart that ju is in

neecha.

>

> > His roga time started in venus dasa which in 6h after

rectification. What roga? Because of ju, bp is definitely in picture. Ask him

about colestrol also.

>

> > By the way chandra signifies blood not moon. Here it means all

liquid in the body including blood.

>

> > I hope it is clear

>

> > Regards

>

> > Santhosh

>

> >

>

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> >

>

> > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

>

> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:26:42 -0800 (PST)

>

> > <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> > Hi Santhosh,

>

> >

>

> > Kindly go through my earlier mail again -

>

> > 1.) D-4 Chart is not considered at all,

>

> > 2.) D-9 is considered to check the strength of Sun. Anything

Strange?

>

> > 3.) Is it Strange to go into Shashtamsha Chart (D-6) for diseases?

>

> > // can you please elucidate on the connection between mars and bp

//

>

> > Mars ruling muscular parts and blood should be checked for BP

cases.

>

> > Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > "santhosh@sudhamayi .com" <santhosh@sudhamayi .

com>

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Tue, December 1, 2009 10:19:59 PM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear deepak,

>

> >

>

> > Thats strange going into d6 and d4. Further, can you please

elucidate on the connection between mars and bp. Where did you get it from?

>

> > Regards

>

> > Santhosh

>

> >

>

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> >

>

> > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

>

> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:27:53 -0800 (PST)

>

> > <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> > Dear Puneet Ji,

>

> > Without going into Birth time rectification / fixing of Ascendant,

which may

>

> > require further inputs and study, it can be observed that -

>

> >

>

> > * Your BP problem is due to debilitation of Sun in D-9 and

Debilitation of Marsin D-6 Chart. Mars being dispositor of current dasha

(irrespective of ascendant) also matters here.

>

> > * Weak Sun is also responsible for Job related problems though

there must be other reasons as well.Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 >

>

> >

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Tue, December 1, 2009 6:47:41 PM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear Puneet,

>

> > according to my knowledge it will give the efects of both houses as

well as 5thH since it is retro and you yourself are confirming it.Do not also

forget as you said it will give lagna/12thH afects which you also mentioned.Anyway

since it is a sandhi lagna i feel the birth time need to be

checked/rectified. ......

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > gopi.

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja

<punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Gopi

>

> > > I am getting bad effects as Venus is also retrograde and

sincrely think it is bad effects of 6 house as  if venus in 7 then it

aspects lagna then I must definitely get good effects.

>

> > > Venus Dasa started in 1993 Iit was giving good effects till

2001 after that it has been giving bad effects ,you can say from 1993 to 2001

it gave 7 house effects and since 201 it is giving 6 house bhava effects-is

 this possible---- --------- -------Â

>

> > > RegardsPuneet Ahuja

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .

>

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > > Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:45 PM

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

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> > >

>

> > > Dear Puneet ji,

>

> > > Are you really getting bad effects is the crux of the

matter.If so only then Bhava chart should be considered.But my personal

opinion is both 6 as well as 7H could give bad effects but those bad effects

vary and you know why.....

>

> > > Love and regards,

>

> > > gopi.

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet

ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > DEAR GIRISH

>

> > > > Thanks for your mailMy details are ÃÆ'‚Â

Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm ÃÆ'‚Â My question is since I

am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but in bhava chart it is in 6

house,I feel that I am getting more negative effects of Venus in 6 house as per

Bhava chart.

>

> > > > Kindly give your advise for above.

>

> > > > Warm RegardsPuneet AhujaÃÆ'‚Â

>

> > > >

>

> > > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon horamag@ wrote:

>

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Dear Santosh Ji,Thanks a ton for sharing your opinion.I wish if any of the the Senior Members may clarify the doubts you mentioned below.Best Regards,Deepak SharmaSanthosh <santhosh Sent: Fri, December 4, 2009 10:56:24 AMRE:

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepakji, // D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6

(shashthamsa) are considered in both S/Ws.// This is exactly my problem. Let me explain the rule for finding the

trimsamsa. For Odd rashi:- Planet falling in first 5 degree is in

mars trimshamsa Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn

trimshamsa Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter

trimshamsa Planet falling in next 7 degree is in mercury

trimshamsa Planet falling in last 5 degree is in venus

trimshamsa For Even Rashi it is reversed as follows:- Planet falling in first 5 degree is in Venus

trimshamsa Planet falling in next 7 degree is in Mercury

trimshamsa Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter

trimshamsa Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn

trimshamsa Planet falling in last 5 degree is in Mars

trimshamsa For example if Mars is in Aries 8 degree.

Then Aries being Odd Rashi, Mars will fall in Saturn’s Trimshamsa. Now Saturn has two houses, Capricorn and Aquarius.

So which house of Saturn will you place Mars in???? This is exactly why

Trimshamsa chart cannot be drawn. We can

only say that mars is in saturn’s trimsamsha and we cannot say the rashi. So when we depend on trimshama in j/hora

or parasara light, how can we talk about exaltation or debitation etc. we can

only state if it is in a friend’s or enemy’s amsa. Since the D6 shashthamsa as per j/hora is

not sanctified under the shodashavarga system I have no idea how that is calculated

and how diseases etc can be studied from that. As per shodashavarga, trimshamsa

is for diseases and evils. One more point I noticed is that in j/hora

the hora chart is not as per the system prescribed. As per hora varga every

planet ca fall only under sun’s or moon’s varga and not any other

planet’s varga. However the proponent of j/hora has used a cyclical

system to allocate the hora varga position. Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Thursday, December 03, 2009

3:30 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology

Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh Ji,

Girish Ji has replied about your doubt.

D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are considered in both S/Ws.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

"santhosh@sudhamayi .com" <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Thu, December 3, 2009

1:20:47 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology]

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

Dear

deepakji,

I am traveling now and hence cannot refer chart or books. So i would like you

to do something for me. In j hora, d6 is mentioned as shastamsha.

If you go back to your list of 16 vargas as per parashara, there is no

shastamsha and there is only shashiamsha which is division of 60 and not 6.

So this chart in j hora is confusing me. Now in the 16 vargas there is one

named trimshamsa, which division of rashi into 6 unequal parts according to a

special formula and it is looked for evils and diseases. Now is this what j

hora considers too and have they used a different name? If so pls check if the

chart is as per this special formula for trimshamsha.

Thanks and regards

Santhosh Sent from

BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

 

deepak sharma

<deepak_rptech@ >

 

Wed, 2 Dec

2009 22:59:31 -0800 (PST)

 

<ancient_indian_

astrology>

 

Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh Ji,

Thank you so much for your warm reply and kind understanding.

I used Parashara Light version 6.1 for this chart. Sometimes I use J.hora.

Look forward to your valued opinion about D-6 / J. hora as you

mentioned. Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

Santhosh

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thu, December 3, 2009

11:04:07 AM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepakji, //Who told

you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the degrees of planets,

their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this anywhere?

In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of native

also.

This is just to bring to your kind notice.// Your post

mentioned only analysis of d6 and d9 and I didn’t see any mention of

analysis of rashi and hence my comment. Your reaction shows that I have touched

a raw nerve and hence my apologies. Every astrologer has his own way of going

about looking at the chart and I have no right questing other’s style. Nevertheless,

I would like to mention a few words about D6. Can you

please clarify if you got this chart from j/hora software. Once you clarify I

need to tell you something that I observed and we can then seek clarification

from seniors like sreenadhji. Regards and

best wishes Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

2:37 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear

Santosh,

I wonder my two liner reply brings so much of your kind attention.

I think you should go through the mail again based on which you've raised a few

 

doubts and written some good basics of astrology.

// In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving at a

conclusion //

Who told you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the degrees of

planets,

their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this anywhere?

In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of native

also.

This is just to bring to your kind notice.

// But if you cannot derive something from a rashi chart yet you see that in a

varga

position it cannot be a conclusive prediction //

I did not make any prediction in my mail. I did not even claim to analyze

something

completely as I wrote // there must be other reasons as well //

However, based on the general signications of Sun (Heart, Employment) and Mars

(Muscular system & blood) whose degrees / aspects were known based on the

given

time, I just gave couple of contibutory factors for employment and BP problem

of

the native.

And I doubt if general signication of planets and current period also get

changed

drastically with a few minutes of time difference in Natal Chart.

I also mentioned in the mail // there must be other reasons as well//

and // ...which may require further inputs and study //

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Wed, December 2, 2009

12:10:05 PM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepak, Allow me to say something too on this which might be further

clarified by manojji. In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving

at a conclusion. Please remember that varga positions of planets are mainly

used for assessing the strength of the planet in the rashi chart and it is used

for cross verification of points noticed in the rashi chart. Your primary analysis should be based on the rashi chart and then

you can substantiate it from the varga position. But if you cannot derive

something from a rashi chart yet you see that in a varga position it cannot be

a conclusive prediction. You will notice that all along I use the phrase varga

position and not varga chart because in traditional astrology there is no such

thing as varga chart. It is available only in computer software. It is the

position of the planet in the main rashi chart when the rashi is sub-divided

into different parts which pin points an issue noticed in the rashi chart. Now coming to your question in the email below. You are right just

because 6th house is weak you cannot say divorce. It has to be cross

verified with 7th house and its lord, varga positions of 7th

lord, planets in 7th house, attributes of karaka for marriage, venus

etc to arrive at a conclusion because 6th house signifies many other

things also, derived or primary. Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

10:56 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Manoj

Ji,

Thank you so

much for your valued opinion and I do agree with the rules you

mentioned.

I'm giving a hypothetical example to share my views on the subject -

If sixth house of a native is extremely weak /afflicted. Say its lord is weak

on multiple

accounts like combustion, debilitation, debilitation in D-9 & other D-

Charts, afflictions etc

Can we predict divorce or family / marriage disputes from this?

My opinion - Despite extreme afflictions or weaknesses to sixth house, the

native

may not suffer at all regarding the family matters / divorce. Native may have a

happy

married life.

Why - Because "Divorce" is not the "Primary signification"

of Sixth house.

This is a "Derived signification" based on some rules.

The Primary signfication is the "dispute / litigation" (of course

many others)

When this "dispute / litigation" has some association with the houses

/ significators

of marriage / family, a native is likely to face family or marital

disputes resulting in

divorce.

If such an extremely weak and afflicted 6th house has no association with the

houses /

significators of marriage / family, it can not give divorce or disputes among

family members.

(Please note - "Derived Significations" or "Primary

Significations" of 6th house may

not be mentioned in any of the books. I've used the terms to convey my

message.)

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Wed, December 2, 2009

6:21:18 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepak Ji,

 

Here are my views on it: 6H is 12th from the 7th. 6H is also the house of

litigation. For both these reasons it is definitely the house for divorce.

 

Now there is another contreversial rule I learned from one of my teachers. 6H

is also the house of "the other one" or the "person one is

having an affair with". I forget the explanation for this, but apparently

Parashara mentions this in one of his shlokas. So along with the 2H, 6H also

can lead to "divorce due to interference from outside".

Regards, -Manoj

 

 

 

 

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Tue, December 1, 2009

1:58:17 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Santosh

Ji,

Is the Sixth house treated as "House of Divorce" as you mentioned

below?

May I ask you to throw some light upon this. Thank you.

 

Best

Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

"santhosh@sudhamayi .com"

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Tue, December 1, 2009

8:24:19 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

Thats

good surmise. That explains very well. Nevertheless, 7th lord is in the house

of divorce or marital problems. But being in own navamsha, imparts some

strength to the 7th bhava.

Regards

Santhosh Sent from

BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag >

 

Date:

Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:59:58 -0800 (PST)

 

To:

<ancient_indian_ astrology>

 

Subject:

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh Interseting case

study about wrong birth time. The time 10:10

is not correct Within 3 minutes

23 seconds his lagna changes to scorpio Now if we

calculate the lagna from scorpio as puneet said Negative

is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al problems in

job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health and career. Gives more

clarity Dear Puneetji I feel the bhava

cakra is not the issue here but the wrong time which I don’t blame you

for that Thanks and

regards Girish

 

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com> wrote:

puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh

 

Negative is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al

problems in job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health and

career.

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

wrote:

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:37 PM

 

Dear Puneet, Can you please clarify the negative effect?

Is it related to marriage, children or health? Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Tuesday, December 01,

2009 11:27 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

GIRISH

 

Place-Mumbai

 

 

Regards

 

Puneet

Ahuja

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

wrote:

puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 8:25 PM

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

GIRISH

 

Thanks

for your mail

 

My

details are Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm

 

My

question is since I am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but

in bhava chart it is in 6 house,I feel that I am getting more negative

effects of Venus in 6 house as per Bhava chart.

 

 

Kindly

give your advise for above.

 

 

Warm

Regards

 

Puneet

Ahuja

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon <horamag >

wrote:

Girish menon <horamag >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Puneet ji

Can you please give us your chart details

Thanks

Girish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Agreed Puneetji,

 

But moon is in papamadhya shtithi. Or between

two malefics. This weakens the moon to some extent.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Friday, December 04, 2009

12:55 PM

 

RE:

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santoshji

 

Moon is in 10 house and it is Dasami tithi ,waning Moon ,own house in Cancer

so cannot follow it is weak---

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

wrote:

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

RE: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 9:40 PM

 

 

 

Dear Puneetji,

 

That could be the view of lal Kitab and not ascribed to by other

classics. Moon is considered weak or strong on other grounds, the main being

if It has paksha bala. This is more important than even, moon being exalted

in Taurus. Exaltation in Taurus comes second and then it being in own house.

This should be adjusted for malefic/benific drishti and being in between

malefics/benifics etc.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Thursday, December 03,

2009 10:17 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

KULBIRJI

 

I do not understand LAL KITAB,there is no question of concern for my

horoscope

How can Mercury and Sun be at a difference of 7 signs.

 

Secondly I do not agree with your view that Moon in 10 in own house is weak

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Thu, 3/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>

wrote:

 

kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 4:05 AM

 

 

 

 

Puneet

ji;

 

1. the first query from your side should have been;- Can sun and mercury be

at difference of 7 houses ?.

 

may be the reason is that you are more concerned about your own horoscope.

 

2. lalkitab method takes only houses into consideration; not the signs.

There is very limited role of sign; that too confined to calculative part

or remedy part.

 

Regards

Kulbir

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja

<punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbirji

> Moon is not weak in 10 house,it is in his own sign CANCER.

> RegardsPuneet AhujaÂ

>

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> kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 8:14 PM

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> Lalkitab says that Sun in 6th house with a weak moon in horoscope; or

with mercury in 12th house; adversely effects heart beat;

>

> Blood Pressure problem is pronounced.

>

> in this case sun is in house no 6; moon in house no 10 which falls in

category of weak.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir

>

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>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma

<deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Santosh,

>

> > Thanks for giving your further opinion.

>

> > Moon and Mars - both signify blood (Uttarakalamrita)

>

> > Sun, Moon, Mars, 4th House & Jupiter should be considered for

BP / Heart Problems.

>

> > As Jupiter governs arteries, Its role is important for BP cases.

>

> > I missed this in earlier mail - Thanks for raising this point.

>

> > //BP Definition in this context (taken from www.mayoclinic. com)

>

> > Blood pressure is determined by the amount of blood your heart

pumps

>

> > and the amount

>

> > of resistance to blood flow in your arteries. The more

>

> > blood your heart pumps and

>

> > the narrower your arteries, the higher your

>

> > blood pressure //

>

> > Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > " santhosh@ . " <santhosh@ .>

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

>

> > Wed, December 2, 2009 7:10:57 AM

>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear deepak,

>

> > I misstook d4. My mistake and apologies.

>

> >

>

> > I beg to differ with you on the signification for mars. Mars

signifies bone marrow and not blood.

>

> > Bone marrow works to produce blood and it has got nothing to do

with the blood preasure. This could be due to deposits in the blood of

colestrol and fat. Thats why bp and colestrol generally come together.

Jupiter signifies fats and colestrol. You will see in his chart that ju is

in neecha.

>

> > His roga time started in venus dasa which in 6h after

rectification. What roga? Because of ju, bp is definitely in picture. Ask

him about colestrol also.

>

> > By the way chandra signifies blood not moon. Here it means all

liquid in the body including blood.

>

> > I hope it is clear

>

> > Regards

>

> > Santhosh

>

> >

>

> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> >

>

> > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

>

> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:26:42 -0800 (PST)

>

> > <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> > Hi Santhosh,

>

> >

>

> > Kindly go through my earlier mail again -

>

> > 1.) D-4 Chart is not considered at all,

>

> > 2.) D-9 is considered to check the strength of Sun. Anything

Strange?

>

> > 3.) Is it Strange to go into Shashtamsha Chart (D-6) for

diseases?

>

> > // can you please elucidate on the connection between mars and bp

//

>

> > Mars ruling muscular parts and blood should be checked for BP

cases.

>

> > Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

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> > " santhosh@sudhamayi .com " <santhosh@sudhamayi

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> > Tue, December 1, 2009 10:19:59 PM

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> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

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> > Dear deepak,

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> > Thats strange going into d6 and d4. Further, can you please

elucidate on the connection between mars and bp. Where did you get it from?

>

> > Regards

>

> > Santhosh

>

> >

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> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

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> > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> >

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> > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

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> > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:27:53 -0800 (PST)

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> > <ancient_indian_ astrology>

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> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> > Dear Puneet Ji,

>

> > Without going into Birth time rectification / fixing of

Ascendant, which may

>

> > require further inputs and study, it can be observed that -

>

> >

>

> > * Your BP problem is due to debilitation of Sun in D-9 and

Debilitation of Marsin D-6 Chart. Mars being dispositor of current dasha

(irrespective of ascendant) also matters here.

>

> > * Weak Sun is also responsible for Job related problems though

there must be other reasons as well.Best Regards,

>

> > Deepak Sharma

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 >

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> >

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> > ancient_indian_ astrology

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> > Tue, December 1, 2009 6:47:41 PM

>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dear Puneet,

>

> > according to my knowledge it will give the efects of both houses

as well as 5thH since it is retro and you yourself are confirming it.Do not

also forget as you said it will give lagna/12thH afects which you also

mentioned.Anyway since it is a sandhi lagna i feel the birth time need to

be checked/rectified. ......

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > gopi.

>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja

<punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

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> > >

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> > > Dear Gopi

>

> > > I am getting bad effects as Venus is also retrograde and

sincrely think it is bad effects of 6 house as  if venus in 7 then it

aspects lagna then I must definitely get good effects.

>

> > > Venus Dasa started in 1993 Iit was giving good effects till

2001 after that it has been giving bad effects ,you can say from 1993 to

2001 it gave 7 house effects and since 201 it is giving 6 house bhava

effects-is  this possible---- --------- -------Â

>

> > > RegardsPuneet Ahuja

>

> > >

>

> > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . wrote:

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> > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .

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> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

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> > > ancient_indian_ astrology

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> > > Are you really getting bad effects is the crux of the

matter.If so only then Bhava chart should be considered.But my personal

opinion is both 6 as well as 7H could give bad effects but those bad

effects vary and you know why.....

>

> > > Love and regards,

>

> > > gopi.

>

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet

ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > DEAR GIRISH

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> > > > Thanks for your mailMy details are ÃÆ'‚Â

Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm ÃÆ'‚Â My question is since

I am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but in bhava chart it is in

6 house,I feel that I am getting more negative effects of Venus in 6 house

as per Bhava chart.

>

> > > > Kindly give your advise for above.

>

> > > > Warm RegardsPuneet AhujaÃÆ'‚Â

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> > > >

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> > > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon horamag@ wrote:

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> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

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Dear Puneet-ji, In Lalkitab, the ascendant, irrespective of sign, is treated asAries. Hence, as per Lalkitab, the 10th house would be Capricorn. Hence, Moon in Saturn's sign (as per Lalkitab only), may betreated as weak. I don't remember whether waning/waxing phaseof Moon is considered in Lalkitab or not. More probably, it wouldbe based on placement in Bhava (Khazana as per Lalkitab) and whether ahead / before etc... Anyway, it is difficult to follow two sytems together. regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of puneet ahujaFriday, December 04, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA Dear SantoshjiMoon is in 10 house and it is Dasami tithi ,waning Moon ,own house in Cancer so cannot follow it is weak---RegardsPuneet Ahuja --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com> wrote:Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>RE: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA Date: Thursday, 3 December, 2009, 9:40 PM Dear Puneetji, That could be the view of lal Kitab and not ascribed to by other classics. Moon is considered weak or strong on other grounds, the main being if It has paksha bala. This is more important than even, moon being exalted in Taurus. Exaltation in Taurus comes second and then it being in own house. This should be adjusted for malefic/benific drishti and being in between malefics/benifics etc. Regards Santhosh ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahujaThursday, December 03, 2009 10:17 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA DEAR KULBIRJII do not understand LAL KITAB,there is no question of concern for my horoscopeHow can Mercury and Sun be at a difference of 7 signs.Secondly I do not agree with your view that Moon in 10 in own house is weakRegardsPuneet Ahuja--- On Thu, 3/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com> wrote:kulbir <kulbirbains@ in.com>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRAancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 3 December, 2009, 4:05 AM Puneet ji;1. the first query from your side should have been;- Can sun and mercury be at difference of 7 houses ?.may be the reason is that you are more concerned about your own horoscope.2. lalkitab method takes only houses into consideration; not the signs. There is very limited role of sign; that too confined to calculative part or remedy part.RegardsKulbirancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kulbirji> Moon is not weak in 10 house,it is in his own sign CANCER.> RegardsPuneet Ahuja > > --- On Wed, 2/12/09, kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote:> > kulbir <kulbirbains@ ...>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Sir,s'> > > > Lalkitab says that Sun in 6th house with a weak moon in horoscope; or with mercury in 12th house; adversely effects heart beat;> > Blood Pressure problem is pronounced.> > in this case sun is in house no 6; moon in house no 10 which falls in category of weak.> > > > Regards> > Kulbir> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Santosh,> > > Thanks for giving your further opinion.> > > Moon and Mars - both signify blood (Uttarakalamrita)> > > Sun, Moon, Mars, 4th House & Jupiter should be considered for BP / Heart Problems.> > > As Jupiter governs arteries, Its role is important for BP cases.> > > I missed this in earlier mail - Thanks for raising this point.> > > //BP Definition in this context (taken from www.mayoclinic. com)> > > Blood pressure is determined by the amount of blood your heart pumps> > > and the amount> > > of resistance to blood flow in your arteries. The more> > > blood your heart pumps and> > > the narrower your arteries, the higher your> > > blood pressure //> > > Best Regards,> > > Deepak Sharma> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > "santhosh@ ." <santhosh@ .>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wed, December 2, 2009 7:10:57 AM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > > > > > > Dear deepak,> > > I misstook d4. My mistake and apologies.> > > > > > I beg to differ with you on the signification for mars. Mars signifies bone marrow and not blood.> > > Bone marrow works to produce blood and it has got nothing to do with the blood preasure. This could be due to deposits in the blood of colestrol and fat. Thats why bp and colestrol generally come together. Jupiter signifies fats and colestrol. You will see in his chart that ju is in neecha.> > > His roga time started in venus dasa which in 6h after rectification. What roga? Because of ju, bp is definitely in picture. Ask him about colestrol also.> > > By the way chandra signifies blood not moon. Here it means all liquid in the body including blood.> > > I hope it is clear> > > Regards> > > Santhosh> > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >> > > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:26:42 -0800 (PST)> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > > > Hi Santhosh,> > > > > > Kindly go through my earlier mail again -> > > 1.) D-4 Chart is not considered at all,> > > 2.) D-9 is considered to check the strength of Sun. Anything Strange?> > > 3.) Is it Strange to go into Shashtamsha Chart (D-6) for diseases?> > > // can you please elucidate on the connection between mars and bp //> > > Mars ruling muscular parts and blood should be checked for BP cases.> > > Best Regards,> > > Deepak Sharma> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > "santhosh@sudhamayi .com" <santhosh@sudhamayi . com>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, December 1, 2009 10:19:59 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > > > > > > Dear deepak,> > > > > > Thats strange going into d6 and d4. Further, can you please elucidate on the connection between mars and bp. Where did you get it from?> > > Regards> > > Santhosh> > > > > > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >> > > Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:27:53 -0800 (PST)> > > <ancient_indian_ astrology>> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > > > Dear Puneet Ji,> > > Without going into Birth time rectification / fixing of Ascendant, which may> > > require further inputs and study, it can be observed that -> > > > > > * Your BP problem is due to debilitation of Sun in D-9 and Debilitation of Marsin D-6 Chart. Mars being dispositor of current dasha (irrespective of ascendant) also matters here.> > > * Weak Sun is also responsible for Job related problems though there must be other reasons as well.Best Regards,> > > Deepak Sharma> > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tue, December 1, 2009 6:47:41 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > > > > > > Dear Puneet,> > > according to my knowledge it will give the efects of both houses as well as 5thH since it is retro and you yourself are confirming it.Do not also forget as you said it will give lagna/12thH afects which you also mentioned.Anyway since it is a sandhi lagna i feel the birth time need to be checked/rectified. ......> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi> > > > I am getting bad effects as Venus is also retrograde and sincrely think it is bad effects of 6 house as  if venus in 7 then it aspects lagna then I must definitely get good effects.> > > > Venus Dasa started in 1993 Iit was giving good effects till 2001 after that it has been giving bad effects ,you can say from 1993 to 2001 it gave 7 house effects and since 201 it is giving 6 house bhava effects-is  this possible---- --------- -------Â> > > > RegardsPuneet Ahuja> > > >> > > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ . wrote:> > > >> > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ .> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:45 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Puneet ji,> > > > Are you really getting bad effects is the crux of the matter.If so only then Bhava chart should be considered.But my personal opinion is both 6 as well as 7H could give bad effects but those bad effects vary and you know why.....> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > DEAR GIRISH> > > > > Thanks for your mailMy details are ÃÆ'‚ Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm ÃÆ'‚ My question is since I am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but in bhava chart it is in 6 house,I feel that I am getting more negative effects of Venus in 6 house as per Bhava chart.> > > > > Kindly give your advise for above.> > > > > Warm RegardsPuneet AhujaÃÆ'‚Â> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon horamag@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Girish menon horamag@> > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:02 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ÃÆ'‚Â> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Puneet ji> > > > > Can you please give us your chart details> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Girish> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Dear Friends on this thread,

 

Moon in 10th in Lalkitab is considered poisionous here.

 

But even posion has its uses.

 

Gives good longevity if 10th is Taurus or Cancer.

Can make the native connected to medical profession

with certain other combinations.

If Sun,Jupiter or Mars in 4th when Moon in 10th then

Moon is very auspicious. All comforts will be there.

This 10th position of Moon is bad for the in laws.

 

There are many such combinations and other placements

of planets which make the planet Moon in 10th either

malefic or benefic. No only this certain items kept in house

and certain actions committed by native will also make

the Moon and the toher planets in result, malefic.

 

I cannot elaborate on above. This will take two days, and

lots of mind power. I have already mentioned in one of

my previous mails that apne paas jyaada dimaag nahin

hai lagaane ko.

 

Main Marwadi hoon, aur Marwaadi ka dimaag sirf Note

dekhkar kaam karna shuru hota hai barobar.

 

(Chakroborty Sahab yes you are right, its difficult to

follow two systems together, but I am going to make

this appear simpler in few years time, which I will

present to all students of astrology, through my books,

hopefully).

 

regards/Bhaskar.

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Dear Deepakji,

 

Please find below clarification from sureshji on the

issue of Trimshamsa chart.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Trimsamsa & Varga

Charts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Santhosh,

 

You are absolutey correct. This is a glaring reason why I say that Vargas

cannot be considered as charts.

 

The Ploting of Planets in vargas is only a matter of convinience.

 

Trimsamsa of planets represents the Pancha bhootas. That is why Sun & Moon

is excluded from the list. That is why Trimsamsa is never refered with signs,

rather it is only refered to the planet. If two planets (Sun & Moon)

and signs are excluded from being assigning other planets, how could

call it a " Chakra " - it becomes a broken chakra.

 

The same is the situation with Hora, where Hora relates only with Sun

& moon.

Where Sun is Atma kakara & moon is Mana karaka. Sun -Male energy &

Moon - Female energy. Shiva & Shakti (These are not mere words). So here no

other planet could own Hora bhaga, which in turn means 10 signs are excluded.

Again the same question how could we consider Hora " Chakra " without

the participation of 10 signs & 5 Tara

grihas or nodes.

 

That is why we use the words liberaly navamsadhipathy, drekanadhipathy,

trimsamsadhipathy, surya hora & chandra hora.

 

In a nutshell, the representation of Varga as chakras is only due to

convenience and ease of understanding. But they can never form chakras on their

own.

 

If you look at other vargas, they are just multiplication factors, which means

you can create any varga by multipying the longitude by that number and expunge

by 360. Probably you can join any university and present an article as research

finding by creating a new varga. You may get a doctarate.

 

If you can create a varga by multipying the longitude by 9 (navamsa) why not by

9.5 navaardhamasa? . or any such numbers.

 

I hope you understand A. G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Friday, December 04, 2009

1:21 PM

 

Re:

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh Ji,

Thanks a ton for sharing your opinion.

I wish if any of the the Senior Members may clarify the doubts you mentioned

below.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

Santhosh

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

 

Fri, December 4, 2009

10:56:24 AM

RE:

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Deepakji,

 

// D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are

considered in both S/Ws.//

 

This is exactly my problem.

Let me explain the rule for finding the trimsamsa.

 

For Odd rashi:-

Planet falling in first 5 degree is in mars trimshamsa

Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn trimshamsa

Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter trimshamsa

Planet falling in next 7 degree is in mercury trimshamsa

Planet falling in last 5 degree is in venus trimshamsa

 

For Even Rashi it is reversed as follows:-

Planet falling in first 5 degree is in Venus trimshamsa

Planet falling in next 7 degree is in Mercury trimshamsa

Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter trimshamsa

Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn trimshamsa

Planet falling in last 5 degree is in Mars trimshamsa

 

For example if Mars is in Aries 8 degree. Then Aries being Odd

Rashi, Mars will fall in Saturn’s Trimshamsa.

Now Saturn has two houses, Capricorn and Aquarius. So which house

of Saturn will you place Mars in????

This is exactly why Trimshamsa chart cannot be drawn. We can only say that mars is in saturn’s trimsamsha and we cannot

say the rashi.

So when we depend on trimshama in j/hora or parasara light, how can

we talk about exaltation or debitation etc. we can only state if it is in a

friend’s or enemy’s amsa.

 

Since the D6 shashthamsa as per j/hora is not sanctified under the

shodashavarga system I have no idea how that is calculated and how diseases etc

can be studied from that. As per shodashavarga, trimshamsa is for diseases and

evils.

 

One more point I noticed is that in j/hora the hora chart is not as

per the system prescribed. As per hora varga every planet ca fall only under

sun’s or moon’s varga and not any other planet’s varga. However the proponent

of j/hora has used a cyclical system to allocate the hora varga position.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear

Santhosh Ji,

Girish Ji has replied about your doubt.

D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are considered in both S/Ws.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

" santhosh@sudhamayi .com "

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thu, December 3, 2009

1:20:47 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear

deepakji,

I am traveling now and hence cannot refer chart or books. So i would like you

to do something for me. In j hora, d6 is mentioned as shastamsha.

If you go back to your list of 16 vargas as per parashara, there is no

shastamsha and there is only shashiamsha which is division of 60 and not 6.

So this chart in j hora is confusing me. Now in the 16 vargas there is one

named trimshamsa, which division of rashi into 6 unequal parts according to a

special formula and it is looked for evils and diseases. Now is this what j

hora considers too and have they used a different name? If so pls check if the

chart is as per this special formula for trimshamsha.

Thanks and regards

Santhosh

Sent from

BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

 

 

 

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

 

 

Date:

Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:59:31 -0800 (PST)

 

 

To:

<ancient_indian_ astrology>

 

 

Subject:

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear

Santhosh Ji,

Thank you so much for your warm reply and kind understanding.

I used Parashara Light version 6.1 for this chart. Sometimes I use J.hora.

Look forward to your valued opinion about D-6 / J. hora as you

mentioned. Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thu, December 3, 2009

11:04:07 AM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Deepakji,

 

//Who told

you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the degrees of planets,

their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this anywhere?

In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of native

also.

This is just to bring to your kind notice.//

 

Your post

mentioned only analysis of d6 and d9 and I didn’t see any mention of analysis

of rashi and hence my comment. Your reaction shows that I have touched a raw

nerve and hence my apologies. Every astrologer has his own way of going about

looking at the chart and I have no right questing other’s style.

 

Nevertheless,

I would like to mention a few words about D6.

Can you

please clarify if you got this chart from j/hora software. Once you clarify I

need to tell you something that I observed and we can then seek clarification

from seniors like sreenadhji.

 

Regards and

best wishes

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

2:37 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear

Santosh,

I wonder my two liner reply brings so much of your kind attention.

I think you should go through the mail again based on which you've raised a few

 

doubts and written some good basics of astrology.

// In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving at a

conclusion //

Who told you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the degrees of

planets,

their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this anywhere?

In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of native

also.

This is just to bring to your kind notice.

// But if you cannot derive something from a rashi chart yet you see that in a

varga

position it cannot be a conclusive prediction //

I did not make any prediction in my mail. I did not even claim to analyze

something

completely as I wrote // there must be other reasons as well //

However, based on the general signications of Sun (Heart, Employment) and Mars

(Muscular system & blood) whose degrees / aspects were known based on the

given

time, I just gave couple of contibutory factors for employment and BP problem

of

the native.

And I doubt if general signication of planets and current period also get

changed

drastically with a few minutes of time difference in Natal Chart.

I also mentioned in the mail // there must be other reasons as well//

and // ...which may require further inputs and study //

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

Wed, December 2, 2009

12:10:05 PM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Deepak,

 

Allow me to say something too on this which might be further

clarified by manojji.

 

In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving

at a conclusion. Please remember that varga positions of planets are mainly

used for assessing the strength of the planet in the rashi chart and it is used

for cross verification of points noticed in the rashi chart.

 

Your primary analysis should be based on the rashi chart and then

you can substantiate it from the varga position. But if you cannot derive

something from a rashi chart yet you see that in a varga position it cannot be

a conclusive prediction. You will notice that all along I use the phrase varga

position and not varga chart because in traditional astrology there is no such

thing as varga chart. It is available only in computer software. It is the

position of the planet in the main rashi chart when the rashi is sub-divided

into different parts which pin points an issue noticed in the rashi chart.

 

Now coming to your question in the email below. You are right just

because 6th house is weak you cannot say divorce. It has to be cross

verified with 7th house and its lord, varga positions of 7th

lord, planets in 7th house, attributes of karaka for marriage, venus

etc to arrive at a conclusion because 6th house signifies many other

things also, derived or primary.

 

Regards

 

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

10:56 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manoj

Ji,

 

Thank you so

much for your valued opinion and I do agree with the rules you

mentioned.

I'm giving a hypothetical example to share my views on the subject -

If sixth house of a native is extremely weak /afflicted. Say its lord is weak

on multiple

accounts like combustion, debilitation, debilitation in D-9 & other D-

Charts, afflictions etc

Can we predict divorce or family / marriage disputes from this?

My opinion - Despite extreme afflictions or weaknesses to sixth house, the

native

may not suffer at all regarding the family matters / divorce. Native may have a

happy

married life.

Why - Because " Divorce " is not the " Primary signification "

of Sixth house.

This is a " Derived signification " based on some rules.

The Primary signfication is the " dispute / litigation " (of course

many others)

When this " dispute / litigation " has some association with the houses

/ significators

of marriage / family, a native is likely to face family or marital

disputes resulting in

divorce.

If such an extremely weak and afflicted 6th house has no association with the

houses /

significators of marriage / family, it can not give divorce or disputes among

family members.

(Please note - " Derived Significations " or " Primary

Significations " of 6th house may

not be mentioned in any of the books. I've used the terms to convey my

message.)

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Wed, December 2, 2009

6:21:18 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Deepak Ji,

 

Here are my views on it: 6H is 12th from the 7th. 6H is also the house of

litigation. For both these reasons it is definitely the house for divorce.

 

Now there is another contreversial rule I learned from one of my teachers. 6H

is also the house of " the other one " or the " person one is

having an affair with " . I forget the explanation for this, but apparently

Parashara mentions this in one of his shlokas. So along with the 2H, 6H also

can lead to " divorce due to interference from outside " .

 

 

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Tue, December 1, 2009

1:58:17 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh

Ji,

Is the Sixth house treated as " House of Divorce " as you mentioned

below?

May I ask you to throw some light upon this. Thank you.

 

 

Best

Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

" santhosh@sudhamayi .com "

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Tue, December 1, 2009

8:24:19 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Thats

good surmise. That explains very well. Nevertheless, 7th lord is in the house

of divorce or marital problems. But being in own navamsha, imparts some

strength to the 7th bhava.

Regards

Santhosh

Sent from

BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag >

 

 

Date:

Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:59:58 -0800 (PST)

 

 

To:

<ancient_indian_ astrology>

 

 

Subject:

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh

Interseting case

study about wrong birth time.

The time 10:10

is not correct

Within 3 minutes

23 seconds his lagna changes to scorpio

Now if we

calculate the lagna from scorpio as puneet said

Negative

is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al problems in

job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health and career.

Gives more

clarity

Dear Puneetji

I feel the bhava

cakra is not the issue here but the wrong time which I don’t blame you for

that

Thanks and

regards

Girish

 

 

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com> wrote:

 

puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh

 

Negative is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al

problems in job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health and career.

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

wrote:

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:37 PM

 

 

 

Dear Puneet,

 

Can you please clarify the negative effect?

Is it related to marriage, children or health?

 

Regards

Santhosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Tuesday, December 01,

2009 11:27 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

GIRISH

 

 

 

 

Place-Mumbai

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

Puneet

Ahuja

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

wrote:

 

puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 8:25 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

GIRISH

 

 

 

 

Thanks

for your mail

 

 

My

details are Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm

 

 

My

question is since I am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but

in bhava chart it is in 6 house,I feel that I am getting more negative

effects of Venus in 6 house as per Bhava chart.

 

 

 

 

 

Kindly

give your advise for above.

 

 

 

 

 

Warm

Regards

 

 

Puneet

Ahuja

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon <horamag >

wrote:

 

Girish menon <horamag >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Puneet ji

Can you please give us your chart details

Thanks

Girish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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// Trimsamsa of planets represents the Pancha bhootas. That is why Sun &

Moon is excluded from the list.//

 

This is right.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Santhosh "

<santhosh wrote:

>

> Dear Deepakji,

>

>

>

> Please find below clarification from sureshji on the issue of

Trimshamsa

> chart.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Santhosh

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: [kerala_vedic_astrology] Trimsamsa & Varga Charts

>

>

>

>

> Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag

>

> View Contact

>

>

> To:

>

> kerala_vedic_astrology

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

> Dear Santhosh,

>

> You are absolutey correct. This is a glaring reason why I say that

Vargas

> cannot be considered as charts.

>

> The Ploting of Planets in vargas is only a matter of convinience.

>

> Trimsamsa of planets represents the Pancha bhootas. That is why Sun &

Moon

> is excluded from the list. That is why Trimsamsa is never refered with

> signs, rather it is only refered to the planet. If two planets (Sun &

Moon)

> and signs are excluded from being assigning other planets, how could

call it

> a " Chakra " - it becomes a broken chakra.

>

> The same is the situation with Hora, where Hora relates only with Sun

&

> moon.

> Where Sun is Atma kakara & moon is Mana karaka. Sun -Male energy &

Moon -

> Female energy. Shiva & Shakti (These are not mere words). So here no

other

> planet could own Hora bhaga, which in turn means 10 signs are

excluded.

> Again the same question how could we consider Hora " Chakra " without

the

> participation of 10 signs & 5 Tara grihas or nodes.

>

> That is why we use the words liberaly navamsadhipathy,

drekanadhipathy,

> trimsamsadhipathy, surya hora & chandra hora.

>

> In a nutshell, the representation of Varga as chakras is only due to

> convenience and ease of understanding. But they can never form chakras

on

> their own.

>

> If you look at other vargas, they are just multiplication factors,

which

> means you can create any varga by multipying the longitude by that

number

> and expunge by 360. Probably you can join any university and present

an

> article as research finding by creating a new varga. You may get a

> doctarate.

>

> If you can create a varga by multipying the longitude by 9 (navamsa)

why not

> by 9.5 navaardhamasa? . or any such numbers.

>

> I hope you understand A. G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of deepak

sharma

> Friday, December 04, 2009 1:21 PM

>

> Re: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Santosh Ji,

> Thanks a ton for sharing your opinion.

> I wish if any of the the Senior Members may clarify the doubts you

mentioned

> below.

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> _____

>

> Santhosh santhosh

>

> Fri, December 4, 2009 10:56:24 AM

> RE: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Dear Deepakji,

>

>

>

> // D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are considered in both S/Ws.//

>

>

>

> This is exactly my problem.

>

> Let me explain the rule for finding the trimsamsa.

>

>

>

> For Odd rashi:-

>

> Planet falling in first 5 degree is in mars trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in next 7 degree is in mercury trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in last 5 degree is in venus trimshamsa

>

>

>

> For Even Rashi it is reversed as follows:-

>

> Planet falling in first 5 degree is in Venus trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in next 7 degree is in Mercury trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn trimshamsa

>

> Planet falling in last 5 degree is in Mars trimshamsa

>

>

>

> For example if Mars is in Aries 8 degree. Then Aries being Odd Rashi,

Mars

> will fall in Saturn's Trimshamsa.

>

> Now Saturn has two houses, Capricorn and Aquarius. So which house of

Saturn

> will you place Mars in????

>

> This is exactly why Trimshamsa chart cannot be drawn. We can only say

that

> mars is in saturn's trimsamsha and we cannot say the rashi.

>

> So when we depend on trimshama in j/hora or parasara light, how can we

talk

> about exaltation or debitation etc. we can only state if it is in a

friend's

> or enemy's amsa.

>

>

>

> Since the D6 shashthamsa as per j/hora is not sanctified under the

> shodashavarga system I have no idea how that is calculated and how

diseases

> etc can be studied from that. As per shodashavarga, trimshamsa is for

> diseases and evils.

>

>

>

> One more point I noticed is that in j/hora the hora chart is not as

per the

> system prescribed. As per hora varga every planet ca fall only under

sun's

> or moon's varga and not any other planet's varga. However the

proponent of

> j/hora has used a cyclical system to allocate the hora varga position.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Santhosh

>

>

>

>

>

_____

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology [

ancient_indian_

> astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

> Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:30 PM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Santhosh Ji,

> Girish Ji has replied about your doubt.

> D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are considered in both S/Ws.

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> _____

>

> " santhosh@sudhamayi .com " santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thu, December 3, 2009 1:20:47 PM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Dear deepakji,

> I am traveling now and hence cannot refer chart or books. So i would

like

> you to do something for me. In j hora, d6 is mentioned as shastamsha.

> If you go back to your list of 16 vargas as per parashara, there is no

> shastamsha and there is only shashiamsha which is division of 60 and

not 6.

> So this chart in j hora is confusing me. Now in the 16 vargas there is

one

> named trimshamsa, which division of rashi into 6 unequal parts

according to

> a special formula and it is looked for evils and diseases. Now is this

what

> j hora considers too and have they used a different name? If so pls

check if

> the chart is as per this special formula for trimshamsha.

> Thanks and regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerryR on Airtel

>

> _____

>

> deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

>

> Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:59:31 -0800 (PST)

>

> <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Santhosh Ji,

> Thank you so much for your warm reply and kind understanding.

> I used Parashara Light version 6.1 for this chart. Sometimes I use

J.hora.

> Look forward to your valued opinion about D-6 / J. hora as you

> mentioned. Thanks again.

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> _____

>

> Santhosh santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Thu, December 3, 2009 11:04:07 AM

> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Dear Deepakji,

>

>

>

> //Who told you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the

> degrees of planets,

> their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this

> anywhere?

> In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of

> native also.

> This is just to bring to your kind notice.//

>

>

>

> Your post mentioned only analysis of d6 and d9 and I didn't see any

mention

> of analysis of rashi and hence my comment. Your reaction shows that I

have

> touched a raw nerve and hence my apologies. Every astrologer has his

own way

> of going about looking at the chart and I have no right questing

other's

> style.

>

>

>

> Nevertheless, I would like to mention a few words about D6.

>

> Can you please clarify if you got this chart from j/hora software.

Once you

> clarify I need to tell you something that I observed and we can then

seek

> clarification from seniors like sreenadhji.

>

>

>

> Regards and best wishes

>

> Santhosh

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology [

ancient_indian_

> astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

> Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:37 PM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Santosh,

> I wonder my two liner reply brings so much of your kind attention.

> I think you should go through the mail again based on which you've

raised a

> few

> doubts and written some good basics of astrology.

> // In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving

at a

> conclusion //

> Who told you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the

degrees

> of planets,

> their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this

> anywhere?

> In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of

> native also.

> This is just to bring to your kind notice.

> // But if you cannot derive something from a rashi chart yet you see

that in

> a varga

> position it cannot be a conclusive prediction //

> I did not make any prediction in my mail. I did not even claim to

analyze

> something

> completely as I wrote // there must be other reasons as well //

> However, based on the general signications of Sun (Heart, Employment)

and

> Mars

> (Muscular system & blood) whose degrees / aspects were known based on

the

> given

> time, I just gave couple of contibutory factors for employment and BP

> problem of

> the native.

> And I doubt if general signication of planets and current period also

get

> changed

> drastically with a few minutes of time difference in Natal Chart.

> I also mentioned in the mail // there must be other reasons as well//

> and // ...which may require further inputs and study //

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Santhosh santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wed, December 2, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Dear Deepak,

>

>

>

> Allow me to say something too on this which might be further clarified

by

> manojji.

>

>

>

> In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving at a

> conclusion. Please remember that varga positions of planets are mainly

used

> for assessing the strength of the planet in the rashi chart and it is

used

> for cross verification of points noticed in the rashi chart.

>

>

>

> Your primary analysis should be based on the rashi chart and then you

can

> substantiate it from the varga position. But if you cannot derive

something

> from a rashi chart yet you see that in a varga position it cannot be a

> conclusive prediction. You will notice that all along I use the phrase

varga

> position and not varga chart because in traditional astrology there is

no

> such thing as varga chart. It is available only in computer software.

It is

> the position of the planet in the main rashi chart when the rashi is

> sub-divided into different parts which pin points an issue noticed in

the

> rashi chart.

>

>

>

> Now coming to your question in the email below. You are right just

because

> 6th house is weak you cannot say divorce. It has to be cross verified

with

> 7th house and its lord, varga positions of 7th lord, planets in 7th

house,

> attributes of karaka for marriage, venus etc to arrive at a conclusion

> because 6th house signifies many other things also, derived or

primary.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Santhosh

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_

> indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

> Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:56 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Manoj Ji,

>

> Thank you so much for your valued opinion and I do agree with the

rules you

> mentioned.

> I'm giving a hypothetical example to share my views on the subject -

> If sixth house of a native is extremely weak /afflicted. Say its lord

is

> weak on multiple

> accounts like combustion, debilitation, debilitation in D-9 & other D-

> Charts, afflictions etc

> Can we predict divorce or family / marriage disputes from this?

> My opinion - Despite extreme afflictions or weaknesses to sixth house,

the

> native

> may not suffer at all regarding the family matters / divorce. Native

may

> have a happy

> married life.

> Why - Because " Divorce " is not the " Primary signification " of Sixth

house.

> This is a " Derived signification " based on some rules.

> The Primary signfication is the " dispute / litigation " (of course many

> others)

> When this " dispute / litigation " has some association with the houses

/

> significators

> of marriage / family, a native is likely to face family or marital

disputes

> resulting in

> divorce.

> If such an extremely weak and afflicted 6th house has no association

with

> the houses /

> significators of marriage / family, it can not give divorce or

disputes

> among family members.

> (Please note - " Derived Significations " or " Primary Significations " of

6th

> house may

> not be mentioned in any of the books. I've used the terms to convey my

> message.)

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> _____

>

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wed, December 2, 2009 6:21:18 AM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Dear Deepak Ji,

>

> Here are my views on it: 6H is 12th from the 7th. 6H is also the house

of

> litigation. For both these reasons it is definitely the house for

divorce.

>

> Now there is another contreversial rule I learned from one of my

teachers.

> 6H is also the house of " the other one " or the " person one is having

an

> affair with " . I forget the explanation for this, but apparently

Parashara

> mentions this in one of his shlokas. So along with the 2H, 6H also can

lead

> to " divorce due to interference from outside " .

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

_____

>

> deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Tue, December 1, 2009 1:58:17 PM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Dear Santosh Ji,

> Is the Sixth house treated as " House of Divorce " as you mentioned

below?

> May I ask you to throw some light upon this. Thank you.

>

> Best Regards,

> Deepak Sharma

>

> _____

>

> " santhosh@sudhamayi .com " santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Tue, December 1, 2009 8:24:19 PM

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

>

>

>

> Thats good surmise. That explains very well. Nevertheless, 7th lord is

in

> the house of divorce or marital problems. But being in own navamsha,

imparts

> some strength to the 7th bhava.

> Regards

> Santhosh

>

> Sent from BlackBerryR on Airtel

>

> _____

>

> Girish menon horamag >

>

> Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:59:58 -0800 (PST)

>

> <ancient_indian_ astrology>

>

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

Dear Santosh

>

> Interseting case study about wrong birth time.

>

> The time 10:10 is not correct

>

> Within 3 minutes 23 seconds his lagna changes to scorpio

>

> Now if we calculate the lagna from scorpio as puneet said

>

> Negative is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al

> problems in job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health

and

> career.

>

> Gives more clarity

>

> Dear Puneetji

>

> I feel the bhava cakra is not the issue here but the wrong time which

I

> don't blame you for that

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Girish

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 12/1/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com> wrote:

>

>

> puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:16 AM

>

>

>

>

> Dear Santhosh

>

> Negative is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al

> problems in job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health

and

> career.

>

> Regards

> Puneet Ahuja

>

> --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Santhosh santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>

> Santhosh santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:37 PM

>

>

>

> Dear Puneet,

>

>

>

> Can you please clarify the negative effect? Is it related to marriage,

> children or health?

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Santhosh

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology [

ancient_indian_

> astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

> Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:27 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

DEAR GIRISH

>

>

>

> Place-Mumbai

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Puneet Ahuja

>

> --- On Mon, 30/11/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com> wrote:

>

>

> puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 30 November, 2009, 8:25 PM

>

>

>

>

> DEAR GIRISH

>

>

>

> Thanks for your mail

>

> My details are Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm

>

> My question is since I am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house

but in

> bhava chart it is in 6 house,I feel that I am getting more negative

effects

> of Venus in 6 house as per Bhava chart.

>

>

>

> Kindly give your advise for above.

>

>

>

> Warm Regards

>

> Puneet Ahuja

>

>

>

>

> --- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon horamag > wrote:

>

>

> Girish menon horamag >

> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:02 AM

>

>

>

>

> Dear Puneet ji

> Can you please give us your chart details

> Thanks

> Girish

>

>

>

> _____

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Dear Santhosh Ji,Thank you so much for bringing this in notice.Best Regards,Deepak SharmaSanthosh <santhosh Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 4:44:27 PMRE: Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Deepakji, Please find below clarification from sureshji on the

issue of Trimshamsa chart. Regards Santhosh

Re: [kerala_vedic_ astrology] Trimsamsa & Varga

Charts

 

Suresh Babu.A.G

<sureshbabuag@ > View Contact

 

 

kerala_vedic_ astrology

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh,

 

You are absolutey correct. This is a glaring reason why I say that Vargas

cannot be considered as charts.

 

The Ploting of Planets in vargas is only a matter of convinience.

 

Trimsamsa of planets represents the Pancha bhootas. That is why Sun & Moon

is excluded from the list. That is why Trimsamsa is never refered with signs,

rather it is only refered to the planet. If two planets (Sun & Moon)

and signs are excluded from being assigning other planets, how could

call it a "Chakra" - it becomes a broken chakra.

 

The same is the situation with Hora, where Hora relates only with Sun

& moon.

Where Sun is Atma kakara & moon is Mana karaka. Sun -Male energy &

Moon - Female energy. Shiva & Shakti (These are not mere words). So here no

other planet could own Hora bhaga, which in turn means 10 signs are excluded.

Again the same question how could we consider Hora "Chakra" without

the participation of 10 signs & 5 Tara grihas or nodes.

 

That is why we use the words liberaly navamsadhipathy, drekanadhipathy,

trimsamsadhipathy, surya hora & chandra hora.

 

In a nutshell, the representation of Varga as chakras is only due to

convenience and ease of understanding. But they can never form chakras on their

own.

 

If you look at other vargas, they are just multiplication factors, which means

you can create any varga by multipying the longitude by that number and expunge

by 360. Probably you can join any university and present an article as research

finding by creating a new varga. You may get a doctarate.

 

If you can create a varga by multipying the longitude by 9 (navamsa) why not by

9.5 navaardhamasa? . or any such numbers.

 

I hope you understand A. G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Friday, December 04, 2009

1:21 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology

Re:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh Ji,

Thanks a ton for sharing your opinion.

I wish if any of the the Senior Members may clarify the doubts you mentioned

below.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

Santhosh

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology

Fri, December 4, 2009

10:56:24 AM

RE: [ancient_indian_ astrology]

Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepakji, // D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are

considered in both S/Ws.// This is exactly my problem. Let me explain the rule for finding the trimsamsa. For Odd rashi:- Planet falling in first 5 degree is in mars trimshamsa Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn trimshamsa Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter trimshamsa Planet falling in next 7 degree is in mercury trimshamsa Planet falling in last 5 degree is in venus trimshamsa For Even Rashi it is reversed as follows:- Planet falling in first 5 degree is in Venus trimshamsa Planet falling in next 7 degree is in Mercury trimshamsa Planet falling in next 8 degree is in Jupiter trimshamsa Planet falling in next 5 degree is in Saturn trimshamsa Planet falling in last 5 degree is in Mars trimshamsa For example if Mars is in Aries 8 degree. Then Aries being Odd

Rashi, Mars will fall in Saturn’s Trimshamsa. Now Saturn has two houses, Capricorn and Aquarius. So which house

of Saturn will you place Mars in???? This is exactly why Trimshamsa chart cannot be drawn. We can only say that mars is in saturn’s trimsamsha and we cannot

say the rashi. So when we depend on trimshama in j/hora or parasara light, how can

we talk about exaltation or debitation etc. we can only state if it is in a

friend’s or enemy’s amsa. Since the D6 shashthamsa as per j/hora is not sanctified under the

shodashavarga system I have no idea how that is calculated and how diseases etc

can be studied from that. As per shodashavarga, trimshamsa is for diseases and

evils. One more point I noticed is that in j/hora the hora chart is not as

per the system prescribed. As per hora varga every planet ca fall only under

sun’s or moon’s varga and not any other planet’s varga. However the proponent

of j/hora has used a cyclical system to allocate the hora varga position. Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Thursday, December 03, 2009

3:30 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear

Santhosh Ji,

Girish Ji has replied about your doubt.

D-30 (trimsamsa) & D-6 (shashthamsa) are considered in both S/Ws.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

"santhosh@sudhamayi .com"

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thu, December 3, 2009

1:20:47 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

Dear

deepakji,

I am traveling now and hence cannot refer chart or books. So i would like you

to do something for me. In j hora, d6 is mentioned as shastamsha.

If you go back to your list of 16 vargas as per parashara, there is no

shastamsha and there is only shashiamsha which is division of 60 and not 6.

So this chart in j hora is confusing me. Now in the 16 vargas there is one

named trimshamsa, which division of rashi into 6 unequal parts according to a

special formula and it is looked for evils and diseases. Now is this what j

hora considers too and have they used a different name? If so pls check if the

chart is as per this special formula for trimshamsha.

Thanks and regards

Santhosh Sent from

BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

 

 

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

 

Date:

Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:59:31 -0800 (PST)

 

To:

<ancient_indian_ astrology>

 

Subject:

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear

Santhosh Ji,

Thank you so much for your warm reply and kind understanding.

I used Parashara Light version 6.1 for this chart. Sometimes I use J.hora.

Look forward to your valued opinion about D-6 / J. hora as you

mentioned. Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thu, December 3, 2009

11:04:07 AM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepakji, //Who told

you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the degrees of planets,

their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this anywhere?

In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of native

also.

This is just to bring to your kind notice.// Your post

mentioned only analysis of d6 and d9 and I didn’t see any mention of analysis

of rashi and hence my comment. Your reaction shows that I have touched a raw

nerve and hence my apologies. Every astrologer has his own way of going about

looking at the chart and I have no right questing other’s style. Nevertheless,

I would like to mention a few words about D6. Can you

please clarify if you got this chart from j/hora software. Once you clarify I

need to tell you something that I observed and we can then seek clarification

from seniors like sreenadhji. Regards and

best wishes Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

2:37 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear

Santosh,

I wonder my two liner reply brings so much of your kind attention.

I think you should go through the mail again based on which you've raised a few

 

doubts and written some good basics of astrology.

// In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving at a

conclusion //

Who told you - I went straight to D-6 and D-9 without looking at the degrees of

planets,

their aspects / conjunctions etc in Natal Chart? Did I mention this anywhere?

In my two liner, I also justified that I looked into current period of native

also.

This is just to bring to your kind notice.

// But if you cannot derive something from a rashi chart yet you see that in a

varga

position it cannot be a conclusive prediction //

I did not make any prediction in my mail. I did not even claim to analyze

something

completely as I wrote // there must be other reasons as well //

However, based on the general signications of Sun (Heart, Employment) and Mars

(Muscular system & blood) whose degrees / aspects were known based on the

given

time, I just gave couple of contibutory factors for employment and BP problem

of

the native.

And I doubt if general signication of planets and current period also get

changed

drastically with a few minutes of time difference in Natal Chart.

I also mentioned in the mail // there must be other reasons as well//

and // ...which may require further inputs and study //

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

 

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

Wed, December 2, 2009

12:10:05 PM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepak, Allow me to say something too on this which might be further

clarified by manojji. In your analsyis you straight away went to d6 and d9 for arriving

at a conclusion. Please remember that varga positions of planets are mainly

used for assessing the strength of the planet in the rashi chart and it is used

for cross verification of points noticed in the rashi chart. Your primary analysis should be based on the rashi chart and then

you can substantiate it from the varga position. But if you cannot derive

something from a rashi chart yet you see that in a varga position it cannot be

a conclusive prediction. You will notice that all along I use the phrase varga

position and not varga chart because in traditional astrology there is no such

thing as varga chart. It is available only in computer software. It is the

position of the planet in the main rashi chart when the rashi is sub-divided

into different parts which pin points an issue noticed in the rashi chart. Now coming to your question in the email below. You are right just

because 6th house is weak you cannot say divorce. It has to be cross

verified with 7th house and its lord, varga positions of 7th

lord, planets in 7th house, attributes of karaka for marriage, venus

etc to arrive at a conclusion because 6th house signifies many other

things also, derived or primary. Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of deepak sharma

Wednesday, December 02, 2009

10:56 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Manoj

Ji,

Thank you so

much for your valued opinion and I do agree with the rules you

mentioned.

I'm giving a hypothetical example to share my views on the subject -

If sixth house of a native is extremely weak /afflicted. Say its lord is weak

on multiple

accounts like combustion, debilitation, debilitation in D-9 & other D-

Charts, afflictions etc

Can we predict divorce or family / marriage disputes from this?

My opinion - Despite extreme afflictions or weaknesses to sixth house, the

native

may not suffer at all regarding the family matters / divorce. Native may have a

happy

married life.

Why - Because "Divorce" is not the "Primary signification"

of Sixth house.

This is a "Derived signification" based on some rules.

The Primary signfication is the "dispute / litigation" (of course

many others)

When this "dispute / litigation" has some association with the houses

/ significators

of marriage / family, a native is likely to face family or marital

disputes resulting in

divorce.

If such an extremely weak and afflicted 6th house has no association with the

houses /

significators of marriage / family, it can not give divorce or disputes among

family members.

(Please note - "Derived Significations" or "Primary

Significations" of 6th house may

not be mentioned in any of the books. I've used the terms to convey my

message.)

Best Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Wed, December 2, 2009

6:21:18 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

Dear Deepak Ji,

 

Here are my views on it: 6H is 12th from the 7th. 6H is also the house of

litigation. For both these reasons it is definitely the house for divorce.

 

Now there is another contreversial rule I learned from one of my teachers. 6H

is also the house of "the other one" or the "person one is

having an affair with". I forget the explanation for this, but apparently

Parashara mentions this in one of his shlokas. So along with the 2H, 6H also

can lead to "divorce due to interference from outside".

Regards, -Manoj

 

 

 

 

deepak sharma <deepak_rptech@ >

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Tue, December 1, 2009

1:58:17 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

Dear Santosh

Ji,

Is the Sixth house treated as "House of Divorce" as you mentioned

below?

May I ask you to throw some light upon this. Thank you.

 

Best

Regards,

Deepak Sharma

 

 

 

"santhosh@sudhamayi .com"

<santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Tue, December 1, 2009

8:24:19 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

Thats

good surmise. That explains very well. Nevertheless, 7th lord is in the house

of divorce or marital problems. But being in own navamsha, imparts some

strength to the 7th bhava.

Regards

Santhosh Sent from

BlackBerry® on Airtel

 

 

 

 

Girish menon <horamag >

 

Date:

Tue, 1 Dec 2009 04:59:58 -0800 (PST)

 

To:

<ancient_indian_ astrology>

 

Subject:

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

Dear Santosh Interseting case

study about wrong birth time. The time 10:10

is not correct Within 3 minutes

23 seconds his lagna changes to scorpio Now if we

calculate the lagna from scorpio as puneet said Negative

is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al problems in

job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health and career. Gives more

clarity Dear Puneetji I feel the bhava

cakra is not the issue here but the wrong time which I don’t blame you for

that Thanks and

regards Girish

 

--- On Tue, 12/1/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com> wrote:

puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 4:16 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Santhosh

 

Negative is due to health after 2002 having BP problems,profession al

problems in job,whatever I am doing I face a problem,in family health and career.

 

Regards

Puneet Ahuja

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

wrote:

Santhosh <santhosh (AT) sudhamayi (DOT) com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:37 PM

 

Dear Puneet, Can you please clarify the negative effect?

Is it related to marriage, children or health? Regards Santhosh

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of puneet ahuja

Tuesday, December 01,

2009 11:27 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

 

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

GIRISH

 

Place-Mumbai

 

 

Regards

 

Puneet

Ahuja

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

wrote:

puneet ahuja <punsoft2003@ grouply.com>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 8:25 PM

 

 

 

 

 

DEAR

GIRISH

 

Thanks

for your mail

 

My

details are Puneet Ahuja, 26.3.1961,Time 10.10pm

 

My

question is since I am having Venus MahaDasa and it is in 7 house but

in bhava chart it is in 6 house,I feel that I am getting more negative

effects of Venus in 6 house as per Bhava chart.

 

 

Kindly

give your advise for above.

 

 

Warm

Regards

 

Puneet

Ahuja

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 30/11/09, Girish menon <horamag >

wrote:

Girish menon <horamag >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: BHAVA/CHALIT CHAKRA

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 30 November, 2009, 10:02 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Puneet ji

Can you please give us your chart details

Thanks

Girish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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