Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Repected Sunil ji, Well sir i agree competely wit u sir tht on net n forum u cannot learn astrology sir nor do i have any goldmine tht can be explore on it nor forcing nobody to work on all the chart tht r requested by members here sir Well in the chart of 19.10.1954 10.05.00 place is delhi, In u see tht Scorpio Lagna n ketu in 8th house in the sign of gemini, n Naks of rahu n u see in D-9 Ketu is in Third house in the sign of kumb and u see in D-10 Makar lagna and Ketu in 11th house is exclated in scorpio his most friendly sign gave him superb result between from 1986 to 1993 his income were in lakhs where few thousand were enough, i do recall once he said to me tht on in week time he earned a crore , Well sir plz more insight on it , Sorry n Thanks Mohit sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 3:30 PM Dear Mohit ji One of the late lessons in my life was astrology cannot b taught tru net fora s and chat s as u are seeing a purticular charts only and and still not ready to explore the Goldmine already waiting to b explored and u want me or others to decode every charts for u sure the discussion abt Nodes or planets in 8th House but u hav to use previous discussions happened in grp ,some discussions may b very older ,every time i or no one in world has time nor resources to work for 24 hrs in retyping all that ,or even search or reproduce it for u and any one ,even under this tread i discussed many times -how nodes r giving results many time s can u tell me how rahu and ketu givs results ?? according to some grp of astrologers ketu in mithuna is debilated and why it shud giv good results ?? and when rahu even if it is in exlatation house and good House why it is not giving good results ?? pls think and digest all discussion s happened in this grp since day one of its incorporation and come with ur answers rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Sunil g, > > Well Sir i m sorry if i have put luggage in Gurujans, Well Sunil g the question was Rahu & Ketu in 8th house how does he signify good result of two charts put up by me ,Well Sunil g i couldnt able to jutifies it ,but looking further in Varga charts (Specially D-10 charts) signifies both charts good results(specially chart of Ketu dasha gave him fantatics results) So i though rather confusing the talks n getting on to the other sides of talks so i though of keeping quiet Sir... Hope it u understood it (Well no one till now talked of varga chart on the topic of Rahu in 8th House) , Sorry n Thanks Mohit > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote: > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:09 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Mohit JI > > Can u giv some astrological reasons also along with ur mails other than putting that luggage of explaing it over and over again ( as many times it will drag discussions to diffrnt aspects which is already discussed in grp ,sure sreenadh ji was quoting rishi Hora s and not predicting any spl charts -so u r mail comes under longitivity part tho sreenadh ji mail it is mentioned that rahu in 8th house can giv bad effects to even longitivity ) on other ppl s shoulder and then this discussion will b more lively and colorful than dry where many many prediction seekers r ready to pounce frm every nook and corner of grp the momnt they find some discussions related to their chart is there ..Even many dont care where rahu sits in chart even .The momnt they see the rahu discussions posts the charts without even respecting the other persons time he spent on such discussions and taunting them in the name of discussion > > So i request u to add u r share also in discussion ,sure u may say u r novice in astrology or old student ,let it b ,but pls contribute more frm ur side too .. > > Hope u understand my points and u will contribute more and add more power to discussions as we all r jointly investigating and not simply declaring results on every astro dictums . > > Thanks for posting data s and keep it up > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort.. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means. > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses. > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope. > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 I thought that rahu was in transit in capricorn, In december it will move to dhanu raashi. ketu is in transit in cancer and will move to mithun. I think this the transit? regards, kanishk. At 11:32 AM 8/12/2009, you wrote: frns ! In practice of astrology, when native has a dasa of 6th, 8th and 12th house, always face a loss. again it depends upon the type of planet, as written in my previous mail. rahu give gud results only in 3rd, 6th and 11th house, with some draw beaks. is a most dangerous planet in all 9 planets. in current transit rahu is in cancer sign. so all natives who have cancer or capricorn ascendant from natal chart are facing a problem from may 2008 to dec 09 appx. if native has weak rahu, or rahu /ketu are in lagna in natal chart, than native will face lots of problem, weather he has a benefic dasa or not. simillarly 8th house is sick house, if weak rahu is there. than person get disturb. --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Rahu in 8th House Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 12:27 AM Respected Aggarwal ji, The astrologers here have initiated some discussions and broken the myths that Rahu is just bad only. They have been able to prove that rahu is good in the 8th and also the 8th Lord is good. So connclusion is that no planet can be termed as good or bad completely and neither Lord of evil house too. They can in some Horoscopes do very well for the native, whereas in others can prove very much destructive too. But no definite rule can be termed for them as Good or Bad unless only one planet is stationed in only one House without other planets in the sky-Horoscope. Regards to your chart, it is now for you to show us some light, since your Rahu dasha is over as accepted by you. There is no need for anyone of us to appear for any tests. We have nothing to prove to anybody. We are not perfect. We need inputs from members like you to show us what you have experienced and many others like you, to actually know the effects of the planets, to make our knowledge near perfect. regards/Bhaskar. --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " mistry64in " <mistry64in@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Scholars, > I have eighth Rahu and Rahu Dasha is also over. Can you throw some light > My DOB 9-9-1964 > My TOB 11:50 Hrs > My POB Ganganagar(Rajastha n) > with warm regards > P Aggarwal > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > The Sages can never be wrong. It is only us who may not be perfect to > > understand when and where the writings of the sages could be applicable. > > A sweetmeat is sweet and meant to be consumed, but not by a diabetic. > > Snake Poison may become a medicine for a terminally ill person in pain > > but for others it will remain a poison. The shlokas are couplets which > > carried discussions before they were memorised between the Sage and his > > disciples, and the small shloka cannot contain the entirety of the > > discussions which could have happened between the Master and the > > students. This was given at the end of the day to make a nutshell note > > and remember what has been talked about. The shlokas cannot be fully > > comprehended by us unless we get the power of intutions supplied to us > > from within. I never reject the shlokas what they say, but do not cling > > to these in rigidity. For me personally verifications are not justified > > because I feel they could not be wrong. It is only our understanding > > which is limited if we do not find what is happenning to be there also > > in the wordings of the shloka in reference. > > > > When a shloka mentions that " Sun in 5th will give so n so results > > ............ " one cannot just accept it as a scholboy memorising a poem, > > because when the writer has written the results he has not taken the > > other planets, their positions, their constellations, their > > avasthas,aspects, etc. in assessment. This he has left for us to do and > > amalgamate all results from various angles and then prepare the > > judgement. Ifyou read the results given by your own goodslef you > > willfind these words in the results like - if aspected by benefics, > > unaspected ,Exalted ,Lord is strong etc. " . > > > > Unless it is a quiz, it is assumed that the members who are putting up > > details of charts, in various threads, are doing so from Live cases in > > their circles. > > > > Therefore the Sages shlokas can never be wrong and neither a good > > astrologer who knows his job can be, in most of the cases, and it would > > not be right to compare the shlokas in general with a placement in > > general, without going deep in the meaning of the shloka or going deep > > in the placement of a planetary position if one wants to compare with > > what is mentioned in the shloka. > > > > I am happy that the shlokas are not entirely applicable ad verbatim, > > otherwise every Tom or Dick would have become a astrologer and taught > > Harry too how to predict. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Interesting! [:-?] But as usual, since I am more interesting in > > > verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the > > > classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra > > > effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point > > > of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power > > > and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) > > will > > > blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth > > would > > > come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord > > > is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. > > > If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in > > > 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th > > > lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu > > is > > > in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), > > > 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years > > of > > > age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much > > > courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual > > > experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house > > and > > > for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all > > in > > > tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the > > variations > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths > > associated > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes > > > without > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It > > > may > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives > > Life, > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received > > > after > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination > > or > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received > > > after > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. > > > (Dowry > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases > > > are > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai > > > Ambani, > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful > > means. > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of > > > derogatorily > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs > > and > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index > > > even > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet > > in > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to > > the > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in > > losses. > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, > > is > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native > > will > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the > > > horoscope. > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and > > > it > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does > > > give > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is > > > > always evil. 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Rituji, The dasa of the Lords of the 6th, 8th and the 8th can also give superb reversals in Life, for example specially if connected with Vipareeta Rajyoga. Rahu or none of the planets are dangerous. It is we human beings who are dangerous with our karmas and blame the planets. Rahu is one of the best planets to lead one to the Ketu-Mokshkaraka, In this Group in last one week many members have already proved that rahu can also gibe good results even in the 8th house. I personally believe it can be good or malefic in any house of the chart. Rahu in the first house if conjoined with a Yogkaraka, instance with Mars in leo Lagna, is the best combination for one to become a King (Translate in todays Yuga) Practical astrology is different then parrot rerading from Books or theory. regards/Bhaskar. , Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote: > > > frns ! > > > In practice of astrology, > > when native has a dasa of 6th, 8th and 12th house, always face a loss. > again it depends upon the type of planet, as written in my previous mail. > > rahu give gud results only in 3rd, 6th and 11th house, with some draw beaks.. is a most dangerous planet in all 9 planets. > > > in current transit rahu is in cancer sign. so all natives who have cancer or capricorn ascendant from natal chart are facing a problem from may 2008 to dec 09 appx. > > > if native has weak rahu, or rahu /ketu are in lagna in natal chart, than native will face lots of problem, weather he has a benefic dasa or not. > > simillarly 8th house is sick house, if weak rahu is there. than person get disturb. > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Rahu in 8th House > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 12:27 AM > > > > > > > > Respected Aggarwal ji, > > > > The astrologers here have initiated some discussions and broken the > > myths that Rahu is just bad only. They have been able to prove that rahu > > is good in the 8th and also the 8th Lord is good. So connclusion is that > > no planet can be termed as good or bad completely and neither Lord of > > evil house too. They can in some Horoscopes do very well for the native, > > whereas in others can prove very much destructive too. But no definite > > rule can be termed for them as Good or Bad unless only one planet is > > stationed in only one House without other planets in the sky-Horoscope. > > > > Regards to your chart, it is now for you to show us some light, since > > your Rahu dasha is over as accepted by you. There is no need for anyone > > of us to appear for any tests. We have nothing to prove to anybody. We > > are not perfect. We need inputs from members like you to show us what > > you have experienced and many others like you, to actually know the > > effects of the planets, to make our knowledge near perfect. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " mistry64in " > > <mistry64in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Scholars, > > > I have eighth Rahu and Rahu Dasha is also over. Can you throw some > > light > > > My DOB 9-9-1964 > > > My TOB 11:50 Hrs > > > My POB Ganganagar(Rajastha n) > > > with warm regards > > > P Aggarwal > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > The Sages can never be wrong. It is only us who may not be perfect > > to > > > > understand when and where the writings of the sages could be > > applicable. > > > > A sweetmeat is sweet and meant to be consumed, but not by a > > diabetic. > > > > Snake Poison may become a medicine for a terminally ill person in > > pain > > > > but for others it will remain a poison. The shlokas are couplets > > which > > > > carried discussions before they were memorised between the Sage and > > his > > > > disciples, and the small shloka cannot contain the entirety of the > > > > discussions which could have happened between the Master and the > > > > students. This was given at the end of the day to make a nutshell > > note > > > > and remember what has been talked about. The shlokas cannot be fully > > > > comprehended by us unless we get the power of intutions supplied to > > us > > > > from within. I never reject the shlokas what they say, but do not > > cling > > > > to these in rigidity. For me personally verifications are not > > justified > > > > because I feel they could not be wrong. It is only our understanding > > > > which is limited if we do not find what is happenning to be there > > also > > > > in the wordings of the shloka in reference. > > > > > > > > When a shloka mentions that " Sun in 5th will give so n so results > > > > ............ " one cannot just accept it as a scholboy memorising a > > poem, > > > > because when the writer has written the results he has not taken the > > > > other planets, their positions, their constellations, their > > > > avasthas,aspects, etc. in assessment. This he has left for us to do > > and > > > > amalgamate all results from various angles and then prepare the > > > > judgement. Ifyou read the results given by your own goodslef you > > > > willfind these words in the results like - if aspected by benefics, > > > > unaspected ,Exalted ,Lord is strong etc. " . > > > > > > > > Unless it is a quiz, it is assumed that the members who are putting > > up > > > > details of charts, in various threads, are doing so from Live cases > > in > > > > their circles. > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sages shlokas can never be wrong and neither a good > > > > astrologer who knows his job can be, in most of the cases, and it > > would > > > > not be right to compare the shlokas in general with a placement in > > > > general, without going deep in the meaning of the shloka or going > > deep > > > > in the placement of a planetary position if one wants to compare > > with > > > > what is mentioned in the shloka. > > > > > > > > I am happy that the shlokas are not entirely applicable ad verbatim, > > > > otherwise every Tom or Dick would have become a astrologer and > > taught > > > > Harry too how to predict. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > Interesting! [:-?] But as usual, since I am more interesting in > > > > > verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the > > > > > classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by > > extra > > > > > effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some > > point > > > > > of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in > > power > > > > > and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) > > > > will > > > > > blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth > > > > would > > > > > come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th > > lord > > > > > is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a > > patient. > > > > > If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that > > Rahu in > > > > > 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and > > 8th > > > > > lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If > > Rahu > > > > is > > > > > in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as > > well), > > > > > 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much > > > > > courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual > > > > > experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th > > house > > > > and > > > > > for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at > > all > > > > in > > > > > tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal > > financial > > > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to > > the > > > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the > > > > variations > > > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths > > > > associated > > > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come > > through to > > > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes > > > > > without > > > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. > > It > > > > > may > > > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives > > > > Life, > > > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy > > received > > > > > after > > > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after > > termination > > > > or > > > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money > > received > > > > > after > > > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry > > received. > > > > > (Dowry > > > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These > > cases > > > > > are > > > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who > > amass > > > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would > > earn > > > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai > > > > > Ambani, > > > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful > > > > means. > > > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of > > > > > derogatorily > > > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to > > the > > > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. > > Dhirubhai > > > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt > > lakhs > > > > and > > > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the > > Index > > > > > even > > > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the > > planet > > > > in > > > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him > > to > > > > the > > > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get > > a > > > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in > > > > losses. > > > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example > > given, > > > > is > > > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the > > native > > > > will > > > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu > > does > > > > > give > > > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have > > also > > > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord > > is > > > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time > > on > > > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be > > > > > percieved > > > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Ritu g, Well i have Rahu in 11th house n in its dasha gave me nothing expect harship n suffering, It is not necesarry tht natives dasha of 6, 8,12 th houses dahas we have to check its strenght in varga's chart i have a chart 28th Aug 1977 time is 4.17.00 place is mumbai , his rahu in 3rd gave full of troubles n jup dasha (in 12th house) gave him superb results, Plz gurujans advice on this , Thanks Mohit --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote: Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 Re: Re: Rahu in 8th House Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 6:02 AM frns ! In practice of astrology, when native has a dasa of 6th, 8th and 12th house, always face a loss. again it depends upon the type of planet, as written in my previous mail. rahu give gud results only in 3rd, 6th and 11th house, with some draw beaks. is a most dangerous planet in all 9 planets. in current transit rahu is in cancer sign. so all natives who have cancer or capricorn ascendant from natal chart are facing a problem from may 2008 to dec 09 appx. if native has weak rahu, or rahu /ketu are in lagna in natal chart, than native will face lots of problem, weather he has a benefic dasa or not. simillarly 8th house is sick house, if weak rahu is there. than person get disturb. --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House ancient_indian_ astrology Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 12:27 AM Respected Aggarwal ji, The astrologers here have initiated some discussions and broken the myths that Rahu is just bad only. They have been able to prove that rahu is good in the 8th and also the 8th Lord is good. So connclusion is that no planet can be termed as good or bad completely and neither Lord of evil house too. They can in some Horoscopes do very well for the native, whereas in others can prove very much destructive too. But no definite rule can be termed for them as Good or Bad unless only one planet is stationed in only one House without other planets in the sky-Horoscope. Regards to your chart, it is now for you to show us some light, since your Rahu dasha is over as accepted by you. There is no need for anyone of us to appear for any tests. We have nothing to prove to anybody. We are not perfect. We need inputs from members like you to show us what you have experienced and many others like you, to actually know the effects of the planets, to make our knowledge near perfect. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, " mistry64in " <mistry64in@ ...> wrote: > > Respected Scholars, > I have eighth Rahu and Rahu Dasha is also over. Can you throw some light > My DOB 9-9-1964 > My TOB 11:50 Hrs > My POB Ganganagar(Rajastha n) > with warm regards > P Aggarwal > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > The Sages can never be wrong. It is only us who may not be perfect to > > understand when and where the writings of the sages could be applicable. > > A sweetmeat is sweet and meant to be consumed, but not by a diabetic. > > Snake Poison may become a medicine for a terminally ill person in pain > > but for others it will remain a poison. The shlokas are couplets which > > carried discussions before they were memorised between the Sage and his > > disciples, and the small shloka cannot contain the entirety of the > > discussions which could have happened between the Master and the > > students. This was given at the end of the day to make a nutshell note > > and remember what has been talked about. The shlokas cannot be fully > > comprehended by us unless we get the power of intutions supplied to us > > from within. I never reject the shlokas what they say, but do not cling > > to these in rigidity. For me personally verifications are not justified > > because I feel they could not be wrong. It is only our understanding > > which is limited if we do not find what is happenning to be there also > > in the wordings of the shloka in reference. > > > > When a shloka mentions that " Sun in 5th will give so n so results > > ............ " one cannot just accept it as a scholboy memorising a poem, > > because when the writer has written the results he has not taken the > > other planets, their positions, their constellations, their > > avasthas,aspects, etc. in assessment. This he has left for us to do and > > amalgamate all results from various angles and then prepare the > > judgement. Ifyou read the results given by your own goodslef you > > willfind these words in the results like - if aspected by benefics, > > unaspected ,Exalted ,Lord is strong etc. " . > > > > Unless it is a quiz, it is assumed that the members who are putting up > > details of charts, in various threads, are doing so from Live cases in > > their circles. > > > > Therefore the Sages shlokas can never be wrong and neither a good > > astrologer who knows his job can be, in most of the cases, and it would > > not be right to compare the shlokas in general with a placement in > > general, without going deep in the meaning of the shloka or going deep > > in the placement of a planetary position if one wants to compare with > > what is mentioned in the shloka. > > > > I am happy that the shlokas are not entirely applicable ad verbatim, > > otherwise every Tom or Dick would have become a astrologer and taught > > Harry too how to predict. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Interesting! [:-?] But as usual, since I am more interesting in > > > verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the > > > classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra > > > effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point > > > of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power > > > and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) > > will > > > blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth > > would > > > come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord > > > is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. > > > If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in > > > 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th > > > lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu > > is > > > in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), > > > 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years > > of > > > age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much > > > courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual > > > experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house > > and > > > for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all > > in > > > tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the > > variations > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths > > associated > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes > > > without > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It > > > may > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives > > Life, > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received > > > after > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination > > or > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received > > > after > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. > > > (Dowry > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases > > > are > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai > > > Ambani, > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful > > means. > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of > > > derogatorily > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs > > and > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index > > > even > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet > > in > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to > > the > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in > > losses. > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, > > is > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native > > will > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the > > > horoscope. > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and > > > it > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does > > > give > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be > > > percieved > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Click here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Mohit virmani mahasay ji I already givn pointer s on How to see Nodes and their dasa in many time in this tread ( even if in 8th House or any house )and in grp many times b4 too and u still dont find any gold mine is amazing means it is ur wish and will that u do all play and ppl like me do all work Pls see My reply on this chart In last mail messge No-/message/23406I hav givn u points without spelling out predictions as this is already a Known event ,how to see this chart already but u r running after vargas first without considering all that ,can u giv me in another 1000 charts where ever exlated ketu or rahu ( even many texts giv diffrnt places for swa and ucha for rahu and Ketu ) givs best results in varga charts or even rasi charts in such Dasa s ??Givn 1 crore rs in one week s time even if there is No dana yoga s or raja Yoga s in chart ??why Ignore Moon sign ?? and why dont u consider the effects again frm Moon sign ?if u apply only one pointer only ( that is varga status ) then every one in world will become astrologers Like once Bhaskar Ji said ,y Did u ignore the chart as a whole and its strnght ?? While seeing dasa of Nodes ( if it is rahu or ketu -then why u ignore the rasi Lord ,nakshtra Lord and where it is sitting in his chart and what was his role in dasa ?? how is his dipositor 's status ?? is he has any other raja Yogas to support such a rise than simply running to vargas first or running after some astrologers and taxing them ). Did u apply sanivath rahu and Kujavath ketu dictum in chart and see the status of such Lord s ?? ,what is Amsa sambanth of planets shows ?? ( means major dasa Lord and sub sub Lords ) ,How is his relationship with lagna Lord and Bhagya and Karma/labha Lords ?? do u ever consider ever even if some one made money in such a dasa it will last for ever or is it a temp phenomenon ?? ( my intention abt this sentence is see some business houses in india and their property and business keeps on growing even after generation after generation where as i find some ppl they make sudden money and then falls or their kids spoil everything in shortest possible time ) I dont know why still after this chart and ur intention ,since i already done my part if u still dont understand all this and dont find any Gold mine in grp archives then no one in world can help u .As u r simply waisting ur time .My simple request to u and all is this is a discussion forum and we r assuming and giving u and all equal status ( means has eligibity to discuss and argue than simply asking reasons each and every time ( hope atleast u may agree here as that shud b min requiremnt to participate in such a discussion ) as there is No gurus here and we r teaching any one .sure all types arguemnts on the basis of texts is welcome .also u can share ur exprence too with various charts ( but it shud not b limited one single chart ) hope i am clear here ,i hope u will take it positiv sense How is present status of this nativ under discussion ?? rgrds sunil nair if u r simply after Varga s alone and advocating such astrological analaysis ,In D-10 chart he has 2 planets in debilation ( sun and venus ) and why even their sub periods was good ( as u said frm 86 to 96 was best period --means full ketu Dasa which dont tally with ur own wording on how to see varga s ) , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Repected Sunil ji,> Well sir i agree competely wit u sir tht on net n forum u cannot learn astrology sir nor do i have any goldmine tht can be explore on it nor forcing nobody to work on all the chart tht r requested by members here sir> > Well in the chart of 19.10.1954 10.05.00 place is delhi, In u see tht Scorpio Lagna n ketu in 8th house in the sign of gemini, n Naks of rahu n u see in D-9 Ketu is in Third house in the sign of kumb and u see in D-10 Makar lagna and Ketu in 11th house is exclated in scorpio his most friendly sign gave him superb result between from 1986 to 1993 his income were in lakhs where few thousand were enough, i do recall once he said to me tht on in week time he earned a crore , Well sir plz more insight on it , Sorry n Thanks Mohit> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 3:30 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji> > One of the late lessons in my life was astrology cannot b taught tru net fora s and chat s> > as u are seeing a purticular charts only and and still not ready to explore the Goldmine already waiting to b explored and u want me or others to decode every charts for u> > sure the discussion abt Nodes or planets in 8th House but u hav to use previous discussions happened in grp ,some discussions may b very older ,every time i or no one in world has time nor resources to work for 24 hrs in retyping all that ,or even search or reproduce it for u and any one ,even under this tread i discussed many times -how nodes r giving results many time s > > can u tell me how rahu and ketu givs results ??> > according to some grp of astrologers ketu in mithuna is debilated and why it shud giv good results ?? and when rahu even if it is in exlatation house and good House why it is not giving good results ??> > pls think and digest all discussion s happened in this grp since day one of its incorporation and come with ur answers> > rgrds sunil nair> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil g,> > > > Well Sir i m sorry if i have put luggage in Gurujans, Well Sunil g the question was Rahu & Ketu in 8th house how does he signify good result of two charts put up by me ,Well Sunil g i couldnt able to jutifies it ,but looking further in Varga charts (Specially D-10 charts) signifies both charts good results(specially chart of Ketu dasha gave him fantatics results) So i though rather confusing the talks n getting on to the other sides of talks so i though of keeping quiet Sir... Hope it u understood it (Well no one till now talked of varga chart on the topic of Rahu in 8th House) , Sorry n Thanks Mohit> > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> >> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:09 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohit JI> >> > Can u giv some astrological reasons also along with ur mails other than putting that luggage of explaing it over and over again ( as many times it will drag discussions to diffrnt aspects which is already discussed in grp ,sure sreenadh ji was quoting rishi Hora s and not predicting any spl charts -so u r mail comes under longitivity part tho sreenadh ji mail it is mentioned that rahu in 8th house can giv bad effects to even longitivity ) on other ppl s shoulder and then this discussion will b more lively and colorful than dry where many many prediction seekers r ready to pounce frm every nook and corner of grp the momnt they find some discussions related to their chart is there .Even many dont care where rahu sits in chart even .The momnt they see the rahu discussions posts the charts without even respecting the other persons time he spent on such discussions and taunting them in the name of discussion> >> > So i request u to add u r share also in discussion ,sure u may say u r novice in astrology or old student ,let it b ,but pls contribute more frm ur side too .> >> > Hope u understand my points and u will contribute more and add more power to discussions as we all r jointly investigating and not simply declaring results on every astro dictums .> >> > Thanks for posting data s and keep it up> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sreenadh g,> > > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit> > >> > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house -> > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH> > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)> > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort.. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute> > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam> > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over?> > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelamji,> > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it> > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar.> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 To me, there is no astrological remedies, one should has not do the treatment of shani rahu or greh shanti. Rectify ur karmas, help others, u get help. is the only way. DHARAM KI RAKSHA KARO, DHARAM AAP KI RAKSHA KAREGA. Do the pooja of palanhara Shiri Hari Vishnu ji or Shiva ji or any one u like. Do this, left all astrological remedies Do one, " EK SAADHAY SAB SADHAY SAB SAADHAY SAB JAYE " KYA BHAROSA HAIN IS JINDGI KA , SAATH DETI NAHI KISI KI. SAANS RUK JAYEGI CHALTAY CHALTAY, SHAMA BHUJH JAYGI CHALTAY CHATAY KYA BHAROSA HAIN IS JINDGI KA , SAATH DETI NAHI KISI KI. So friends, God has given power to these planets, give results to us according to our karmas. Shani is the prime judge. I can write more, but have very less time. --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Rahu in 8th House Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 12:03 AM Dear Rituji, The dasa of the Lords of the 6th, 8th and the 8th can also give superb reversals in Life, for example specially if connected with Vipareeta Rajyoga. Rahu or none of the planets are dangerous. It is we human beings who are dangerous with our karmas and blame the planets. Rahu is one of the best planets to lead one to the Ketu-Mokshkaraka, In this Group in last one week many members have already proved that rahu can also gibe good results even in the 8th house. I personally believe it can be good or malefic in any house of the chart. Rahu in the first house if conjoined with a Yogkaraka, instance with Mars in leo Lagna, is the best combination for one to become a King (Translate in todays Yuga) Practical astrology is different then parrot rerading from Books or theory. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote: > > > frns ! > > > In practice of astrology, > > when native has a dasa of 6th, 8th and 12th house, always face a loss. > again it depends upon the type of planet, as written in my previous mail. > > rahu give gud results only in 3rd, 6th and 11th house, with some draw beaks.. is a most dangerous planet in all 9 planets. > > > in current transit rahu is in cancer sign. so all natives who have cancer or capricorn ascendant from natal chart are facing a problem from may 2008 to dec 09 appx. > > > if native has weak rahu, or rahu /ketu are in lagna in natal chart, than native will face lots of problem, weather he has a benefic dasa or not. > > simillarly 8th house is sick house, if weak rahu is there. than person get disturb. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 12:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Aggarwal ji, > > > > The astrologers here have initiated some discussions and broken the > > myths that Rahu is just bad only. They have been able to prove that rahu > > is good in the 8th and also the 8th Lord is good. So connclusion is that > > no planet can be termed as good or bad completely and neither Lord of > > evil house too. They can in some Horoscopes do very well for the native, > > whereas in others can prove very much destructive too. But no definite > > rule can be termed for them as Good or Bad unless only one planet is > > stationed in only one House without other planets in the sky-Horoscope. > > > > Regards to your chart, it is now for you to show us some light, since > > your Rahu dasha is over as accepted by you. There is no need for anyone > > of us to appear for any tests. We have nothing to prove to anybody. We > > are not perfect. We need inputs from members like you to show us what > > you have experienced and many others like you, to actually know the > > effects of the planets, to make our knowledge near perfect. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " mistry64in " > > <mistry64in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Scholars, > > > I have eighth Rahu and Rahu Dasha is also over. Can you throw some > > light > > > My DOB 9-9-1964 > > > My TOB 11:50 Hrs > > > My POB Ganganagar(Rajastha n) > > > with warm regards > > > P Aggarwal > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > The Sages can never be wrong. It is only us who may not be perfect > > to > > > > understand when and where the writings of the sages could be > > applicable. > > > > A sweetmeat is sweet and meant to be consumed, but not by a > > diabetic. > > > > Snake Poison may become a medicine for a terminally ill person in > > pain > > > > but for others it will remain a poison. The shlokas are couplets > > which > > > > carried discussions before they were memorised between the Sage and > > his > > > > disciples, and the small shloka cannot contain the entirety of the > > > > discussions which could have happened between the Master and the > > > > students. This was given at the end of the day to make a nutshell > > note > > > > and remember what has been talked about. The shlokas cannot be fully > > > > comprehended by us unless we get the power of intutions supplied to > > us > > > > from within. I never reject the shlokas what they say, but do not > > cling > > > > to these in rigidity. For me personally verifications are not > > justified > > > > because I feel they could not be wrong. It is only our understanding > > > > which is limited if we do not find what is happenning to be there > > also > > > > in the wordings of the shloka in reference. > > > > > > > > When a shloka mentions that " Sun in 5th will give so n so results > > > > ............ " one cannot just accept it as a scholboy memorising a > > poem, > > > > because when the writer has written the results he has not taken the > > > > other planets, their positions, their constellations, their > > > > avasthas,aspects, etc. in assessment. This he has left for us to do > > and > > > > amalgamate all results from various angles and then prepare the > > > > judgement. Ifyou read the results given by your own goodslef you > > > > willfind these words in the results like - if aspected by benefics, > > > > unaspected ,Exalted ,Lord is strong etc. " . > > > > > > > > Unless it is a quiz, it is assumed that the members who are putting > > up > > > > details of charts, in various threads, are doing so from Live cases > > in > > > > their circles. > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sages shlokas can never be wrong and neither a good > > > > astrologer who knows his job can be, in most of the cases, and it > > would > > > > not be right to compare the shlokas in general with a placement in > > > > general, without going deep in the meaning of the shloka or going > > deep > > > > in the placement of a planetary position if one wants to compare > > with > > > > what is mentioned in the shloka. > > > > > > > > I am happy that the shlokas are not entirely applicable ad verbatim, > > > > otherwise every Tom or Dick would have become a astrologer and > > taught > > > > Harry too how to predict. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > Interesting! [:-?] But as usual, since I am more interesting in > > > > > verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the > > > > > classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by > > extra > > > > > effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some > > point > > > > > of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in > > power > > > > > and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) > > > > will > > > > > blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth > > > > would > > > > > come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th > > lord > > > > > is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a > > patient. > > > > > If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that > > Rahu in > > > > > 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and > > 8th > > > > > lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If > > Rahu > > > > is > > > > > in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as > > well), > > > > > 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 > > years > > > > of > > > > > age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much > > > > > courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual > > > > > experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th > > house > > > > and > > > > > for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at > > all > > > > in > > > > > tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal > > financial > > > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to > > the > > > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the > > > > variations > > > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths > > > > associated > > > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come > > through to > > > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes > > > > > without > > > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. > > It > > > > > may > > > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives > > > > Life, > > > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy > > received > > > > > after > > > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after > > termination > > > > or > > > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money > > received > > > > > after > > > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry > > received. > > > > > (Dowry > > > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These > > cases > > > > > are > > > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who > > amass > > > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would > > earn > > > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai > > > > > Ambani, > > > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful > > > > means. > > > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of > > > > > derogatorily > > > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to > > the > > > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. > > Dhirubhai > > > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt > > lakhs > > > > and > > > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the > > Index > > > > > even > > > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the > > planet > > > > in > > > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him > > to > > > > the > > > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get > > a > > > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in > > > > losses. > > > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example > > given, > > > > is > > > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the > > native > > > > will > > > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu > > does > > > > > give > > > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have > > also > > > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord > > is > > > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time > > on > > > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be > > > > > percieved > > > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear T R Rao ji Recently i had a exprnce with a chat Some one came to clarify some doubts and the secret is with nakshtra dispositor to b seen ( as its status has a say in that chart he sent me ) So i asked him ,did u know Nakshtra distribution in various rasis and its begining and ending degree 's in signs ,So the fellow said he dont know Then i searched in net ( as i dont hav time/nor even expertise to make the whole table )and find it in one web site and copied and sent to him by mail I got a reply frm him ,the url adress of the website where i cut and pasted ( means he was indicating me that i was Plagiarising some one than giving a thanks in reply ,where as every panchanga even has this table and it is one of LKG lessons for learning in astrology ) ,such is the response for we r trying to clear some one 's doubt by spending our time and efforts I hav lots and lots of similar exprnce tru many doubt seekers .rgrds sunil nair , Rao Tammiraju <sreesai_ganesh wrote:>> Respected Sir,> > you have rightly said that astrology can not be taught through forums and internet chats. an accurate reply. now a days a lot of people want to learnt it in an easy way through books and forums without practical knowledge. Practical knowledge is a must. only theory will lead to wrong analysis.> > with regards,> T.R.RAO,> > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 9:00 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji> > One of the late lessons in my life was astrology cannot b taught tru net fora s and chat s> > as u are seeing a purticular charts only and and still not ready to explore the Goldmine already waiting to b explored and u want me or others to decode every charts for u> > sure the discussion abt Nodes or planets in 8th House but u hav to use previous discussions happened in grp ,some discussions may b very older ,every time i or no one in world has time nor resources to work for 24 hrs in retyping all that ,or even search or reproduce it for u and any one ,even under this tread i discussed many times -how nodes r giving results many time s > > can u tell me how rahu and ketu givs results ??> > according to some grp of astrologers ketu in mithuna is debilated and why it shud giv good results ?? and when rahu even if it is in exlatation house and good House why it is not giving good results ??> > pls think and digest all discussion s happened in this grp since day one of its incorporation and come with ur answers> > rgrds sunil nair> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil g,> > > > Well Sir i m sorry if i have put luggage in Gurujans, Well Sunil g the question was Rahu & Ketu in 8th house how does he signify good result of two charts put up by me ,Well Sunil g i couldnt able to jutifies it ,but looking further in Varga charts (Specially D-10 charts) signifies both charts good results(specially chart of Ketu dasha gave him fantatics results) So i though rather confusing the talks n getting on to the other sides of talks so i though of keeping quiet Sir... Hope it u understood it (Well no one till now talked of varga chart on the topic of Rahu in 8th House) , Sorry n Thanks Mohit> > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> >> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:09 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohit JI> >> > Can u giv some astrological reasons also along with ur mails other than putting that luggage of explaing it over and over again ( as many times it will drag discussions to diffrnt aspects which is already discussed in grp ,sure sreenadh ji was quoting rishi Hora s and not predicting any spl charts -so u r mail comes under longitivity part tho sreenadh ji mail it is mentioned that rahu in 8th house can giv bad effects to even longitivity ) on other ppl s shoulder and then this discussion will b more lively and colorful than dry where many many prediction seekers r ready to pounce frm every nook and corner of grp the momnt they find some discussions related to their chart is there .Even many dont care where rahu sits in chart even .The momnt they see the rahu discussions posts the charts without even respecting the other persons time he spent on such discussions and taunting them in the name of discussion> >> > So i request u to add u r share also in discussion ,sure u may say u r novice in astrology or old student ,let it b ,but pls contribute more frm ur side too .> >> > Hope u understand my points and u will contribute more and add more power to discussions as we all r jointly investigating and not simply declaring results on every astro dictums .> >> > Thanks for posting data s and keep it up> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sreenadh g,> > > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit> > >> > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house -> > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH> > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)> > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort.. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute> > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam> > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over?> > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Neelamji,> > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it> > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar.> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Ritu ji, I am talking about astrology and you are talking of Dharm ki raksha and Shama ka bujhna. Dharma ki raksha to ho hi rahi hai when I write such mails, in replies to yours, and shama ka bujhne ka kahan sawaal hai, jab parwaana yahan par maujood hai. regards, Bhaskar. , Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote: > > > To me, there is no astrological remedies, one should has not do the treatment of shani rahu or greh shanti. > > Rectify ur karmas, help others, u get help. is the only way. > > DHARAM KI RAKSHA KARO, DHARAM AAP KI RAKSHA KAREGA. > > > Do the pooja of palanhara Shiri Hari Vishnu ji or Shiva ji or any one u like. Do this, left all astrological remedies > > > > Do one, " EK SAADHAY SAB SADHAY SAB SAADHAY SAB JAYE " > > > KYA BHAROSA HAIN IS JINDGI KA , SAATH DETI NAHI KISI KI. > SAANS RUK JAYEGI CHALTAY CHALTAY, SHAMA BHUJH JAYGI CHALTAY CHATAY > > KYA BHAROSA HAIN IS JINDGI KA , SAATH DETI NAHI KISI KI. > > > So friends, God has given power to these planets, give results to us according to our karmas. Shani is the prime judge. > > > I can write more, but have very less time. > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Rahu in 8th House > > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 12:03 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Rituji, > > > > The dasa of the Lords of the 6th, 8th and the 8th can also give superb > > reversals in Life, for example specially if connected with Vipareeta > > Rajyoga. > > > > Rahu or none of the planets are dangerous. It is we human beings who are > > dangerous with our karmas and blame the planets. Rahu is one of the best > > planets to lead one to the Ketu-Mokshkaraka, > > > > In this Group in last one week many members have already proved that > > rahu can also gibe good results even in the 8th house. I personally > > believe it can be good or malefic in any house of the chart. > > > > Rahu in the first house if conjoined with a Yogkaraka, instance with > > Mars in leo Lagna, is the best combination for one to become a King > > (Translate in todays Yuga) > > > > Practical astrology is different then parrot rerading from Books or > > theory. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra > > <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frns ! > > > > > > > > > In practice of astrology, > > > > > > when native has a dasa of 6th, 8th and 12th house, always face a loss. > > > again it depends upon the type of planet, as written in my previous > > mail. > > > > > > rahu give gud results only in 3rd, 6th and 11th house, with some draw > > beaks.. is a most dangerous planet in all 9 planets. > > > > > > > > > in current transit rahu is in cancer sign. so all natives who have > > cancer or capricorn ascendant from natal chart are facing a problem > > from may 2008 to dec 09 appx. > > > > > > > > > if native has weak rahu, or rahu /ketu are in lagna in natal chart, > > than native will face lots of problem, weather he has a benefic dasa or > > not. > > > > > > simillarly 8th house is sick house, if weak rahu is there. than > > person get disturb. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 12:27 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Aggarwal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > The astrologers here have initiated some discussions and broken the > > > > > > myths that Rahu is just bad only. They have been able to prove that > > rahu > > > > > > is good in the 8th and also the 8th Lord is good. So connclusion is > > that > > > > > > no planet can be termed as good or bad completely and neither Lord of > > > > > > evil house too. They can in some Horoscopes do very well for the > > native, > > > > > > whereas in others can prove very much destructive too. But no definite > > > > > > rule can be termed for them as Good or Bad unless only one planet is > > > > > > stationed in only one House without other planets in the > > sky-Horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards to your chart, it is now for you to show us some light, since > > > > > > your Rahu dasha is over as accepted by you. There is no need for > > anyone > > > > > > of us to appear for any tests. We have nothing to prove to anybody. We > > > > > > are not perfect. We need inputs from members like you to show us what > > > > > > you have experienced and many others like you, to actually know the > > > > > > effects of the planets, to make our knowledge near perfect. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " mistry64in " > > > > > > <mistry64in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Scholars, > > > > > > > I have eighth Rahu and Rahu Dasha is also over. Can you throw some > > > > > > light > > > > > > > My DOB 9-9-1964 > > > > > > > My TOB 11:50 Hrs > > > > > > > My POB Ganganagar(Rajastha n) > > > > > > > with warm regards > > > > > > > P Aggarwal > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sages can never be wrong. It is only us who may not be perfect > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > understand when and where the writings of the sages could be > > > > > > applicable. > > > > > > > > A sweetmeat is sweet and meant to be consumed, but not by a > > > > > > diabetic. > > > > > > > > Snake Poison may become a medicine for a terminally ill person in > > > > > > pain > > > > > > > > but for others it will remain a poison. The shlokas are couplets > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > carried discussions before they were memorised between the Sage > > and > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > disciples, and the small shloka cannot contain the entirety of the > > > > > > > > discussions which could have happened between the Master and the > > > > > > > > students. This was given at the end of the day to make a nutshell > > > > > > note > > > > > > > > and remember what has been talked about. The shlokas cannot be > > fully > > > > > > > > comprehended by us unless we get the power of intutions supplied > > to > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > from within. I never reject the shlokas what they say, but do not > > > > > > cling > > > > > > > > to these in rigidity. For me personally verifications are not > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > because I feel they could not be wrong. It is only our > > understanding > > > > > > > > which is limited if we do not find what is happenning to be there > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > in the wordings of the shloka in reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a shloka mentions that " Sun in 5th will give so n so results > > > > > > > > ............ " one cannot just accept it as a scholboy memorising > > a > > > > > > poem, > > > > > > > > because when the writer has written the results he has not taken > > the > > > > > > > > other planets, their positions, their constellations, their > > > > > > > > avasthas,aspects, etc. in assessment. This he has left for us to > > do > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > amalgamate all results from various angles and then prepare the > > > > > > > > judgement. Ifyou read the results given by your own goodslef you > > > > > > > > willfind these words in the results like - if aspected by > > benefics, > > > > > > > > unaspected ,Exalted ,Lord is strong etc. " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless it is a quiz, it is assumed that the members who are > > putting > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > details of charts, in various threads, are doing so from Live > > cases > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > their circles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the Sages shlokas can never be wrong and neither a good > > > > > > > > astrologer who knows his job can be, in most of the cases, and it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not be right to compare the shlokas in general with a placement in > > > > > > > > general, without going deep in the meaning of the shloka or going > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > in the placement of a planetary position if one wants to compare > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > what is mentioned in the shloka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am happy that the shlokas are not entirely applicable ad > > verbatim, > > > > > > > > otherwise every Tom or Dick would have become a astrologer and > > > > > > taught > > > > > > > > Harry too how to predict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > Interesting! [:-?] But as usual, since I am more interesting in > > > > > > > > > verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the > > > > > > > > > classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > > > > > > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > > > > > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > > > > > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > > > > > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > > > > > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > > > > > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > > > > > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by > > > > > > extra > > > > > > > > > effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > and scholars will respect him, the people close to him > > (relatives) > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and > > wealth > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > > > > > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > > > > > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > > > > > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > > > > > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > > > > > > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > > > > > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a > > > > > > patient. > > > > > > > > > If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that > > > > > > Rahu in > > > > > > > > > 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics > > and > > > > > > 8th > > > > > > > > > lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as > > > > > > well), > > > > > > > > > 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much > > > > > > > > > courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual > > > > > > > > > experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > > > > > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not > > at > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the > > > > > > > > variations > > > > > > > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths > > > > > > > > associated > > > > > > > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come > > > > > > through to > > > > > > > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which > > goes > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always > > tainted. > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a > > natives > > > > > > > > Life, > > > > > > > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after > > > > > > termination > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry > > > > > > received. > > > > > > > > > (Dowry > > > > > > > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who > > > > > > amass > > > > > > > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician > > would > > > > > > earn > > > > > > > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai > > > > > > > > > Ambani, > > > > > > > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful > > > > > > > > means. > > > > > > > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of > > > > > > > > > derogatorily > > > > > > > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. > > > > > > Dhirubhai > > > > > > > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt > > > > > > lakhs > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the > > > > > > Index > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need > > to > > > > > > > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never > > get > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in > > > > > > > > losses. > > > > > > > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example > > > > > > given, > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to > > the > > > > > > > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the > > > > > > > > > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet > > , > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th > > Lord > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending > > time > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be > > > > > > > > > percieved > > > > > > > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check > > out Buzz. http://in.buzz. / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Rituji, Though I would love to read the mail, but its too lengthy and seems to be a copy paste with comments put in between. I dont understand such matters easily. Actually am born with a retro and combusted Mercury so the Buddhi works a little delayed, if it works at all. If You could condense this to about 30-40 Lines with some clue to actually what is being said and the why of it, I could be highly obliged and remain grateful to you. To make it more clear - Can You take the 12 Zodiac signs one at a time, and mention why Saturn would not prove good in kendras in each of them ?. regards/Bhaskar. , Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > Saturn in 8th will give longevity.> Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha)> Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras.> > I know the all panch maha pursha yoga.> > Listen carefully, 1st check the type of planet -> > > stationary planet> Retro planet> com bust planet> falls and exalted planets.> > > In above all, shani seems to be gud and powerful in 10th house only. Still get effect the 4th, and 7th house badly.> > saturn give gud result in 8th house, if get effected with jupter,> > normal results if comes in own sign ie capricorn, aquarius signs> little less normal or normal - comes in dhanu, vrishabha and meena rashi.> > gud if comes in tula rashi. > > The type of planet is 1st thing in the kundli.> > weak sahni is bad in all kendras as wel as 8th house.> > exalted shani in 4th house, provide lot of wealth to person, but person do lot of bad karmas in life, and face always tensions.> > falls shani in 4th house - problem in mother & waelth, education break, and all comforts of life, but make person strong, do good karma in life, and get name fame money in his life from his hard worker. one word we can use for it say - KARMATH INSAAN.> > if comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign in 4th house or any kendras - no happiness in life. face always probs in life, if have money, still than face probs in life> > > effected 1st house - delay in marriage. tensions, if shani is weak probs in marriage life, less happiness, job probs always, mother's health issue, if mars is there in lagna or effected 7th house, probs of divorce or seprations.> > I have less time to write, check below the things> > > > > > > > > > SHANI DOSHA> : > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Shani Dev is a powerful> planet or greh in our vedas> & granthas. Shani is a> son of the God Surya or Sun.> His colour is blue. He release> the blue rays to us. The planets> saturn looks very pretty from> all other planets. The God> Shiv ji ji, gave his blessings> to Shani Dev. God Gave him> a responsibility of planet,> provide a work to give results> according to all living things> in this world according to> their KARMAS.> > > Shani Dev ji, is a prime juduge,> do the justice with all of> us, including people,> lords, animals, plants and> even God also. Among> all of his dasa the saade> saat saati of shani dev ji> is very dangerous. The retro> vision of shani dev ji, give> a bad effect, and is very> dangerous.> > > SHANI IS A FRIEND NOT A FOE,> Shani dev ji, give some troubles> to the person with his visions,> make him pure again and provide> all enjoyments to the person> in his last stage of his dasa,> according to the karmas.> > > > I have seen, If person has> a good shani alone in the> horoscope, native will get> lot of money in his life.> Shani Dev alone can make person> rich.> > > > > > > > Vedic astrology the planet Saturn is called SHANI. In Sanskrit Shani comes from> Sanischara, which means, slow mover. From Shani we get the word shun , which> means to ignore, or lose awareness of something. Thus, Saturn represents a loss> of awareness, or ignorance. This loss of awareness can also mean the diminishing> awareness of the material world of manifestation. Here Saturn indicates the> ascetic, rich with inner spirituality, and lost to this material plane of existence.> > > > > Saturn is a malefic graha. He rules over the two zodiac signs Capricorn and> Aquarius. He is exalted in Libra, and fallen in the opposite sign of Aries.> Saturn is a karaka , or indicator, of longevity, misery, sorrow, old age and> death, discipline, restriction, responsibility, delays, ambition, leadership> and authority, humility, integrity, wisdom born of experience. Saturn also indicates> asceticism, denial, non-attachment, spirituality, hard work, organization, reality> and time itself.> > > > Saturn s most powerful place in the chart is in the 7th House and the Kendra> s. He is a particularly beneficial planet for Taurus and Libra Ascendants. Saturn> s nature is Vata, or Airy. His gem is Blue Sapphire and all black stones and> his metal is Lead. Saturn s direction is west and his day is Saturday. He reaches> full maturity at age 36. In Vedic myth Saturn is the son of the Sun, born to> his shadow wife, Chaya. Saturn is lame because one of the Sun s first wife Sanjana> s children became angered with him and struck him in the foot. Thus Saturn walks> with a limp, which accounts why he is the slowest of the Grahas.> > > > The graha SANISCHARA (Saturn), also known as Manda, is generally known to affect> one adversely on occasions when he occupies certain positions in one s horoscope> like Saade Sati (7 1/2 years). He is the Lord of Makaram and Kumbam. He is the> slowest moving planet taking 2 1/2 years in each Rasi, completing one cycle> every 30 years. A prayer to this Devata, especially on Saturdays, is said to> mitigate the hardships one will have to face during these periods. Sanischara> bestows all benefits to the devotees who pray sincerely to him. The legend that> depict the influence of the worship of SHANI goes as follows, and is narrated> whenever a worship or offering is made to the deity.> > > > Aspects, Visions, Dasa & Maha dasa of System :> > > > Saturn has 3 aspects or visions or drishtis in a horoscopes. He effects the> 4 houses in horoscopes. His visions are more powerful. Destroy or reduce the> effect of that house, which house it lies. If person has leo ascendant, so in> this moment, when ever he has born, what ever dasa he has, or other planet he> has in his horoscope. This moment, on 15- 6-09, he will facing a trouble in> his working area, and will be facing a much presure on him, weather he has enough> money or not. This is the main roleof saturn. If he has saade saat saati of> shani also this moment, than more bad, if he has bad dasa or main period, than> more bad, if he has already weak or bad shani in his horoscope than more bad.> > > > > Friends of Saturn : : The saturn friends are rahu, ketu, venus.> Has normal relaion with moon and jupiter. Bad relaion with mars and sun. Give> trouble to mercury some times. If ones horoscope, saturn is making a combination> with sun, mercury, rahu, mars, than saturn will give bad result to the nativei.> Dasa will give bad results to the person, if any good or the dasa of benefic> planet is going on native, still than, shani will give trouble to the native.> > > > > Dasa , Mahadasa, Main Period of Saturn or Shani :> > > > The main dasa of saturn is for 19 years. The othere dasa is saade saat saati.> Saade saat saati is more typical for person. Saade saat saati comes on a peron> must, up to the age of 30 yrs. It comes on every 30 years on one sign. Both> dasa of saturn or shani is very typical. Shani gives results to person according> to his Karma. Jupiter is a benefic planet, his dasa is for 16 years. Person> do enjoy in the period of jupiter. After dasa of jupiter, the dasa or main period> of Shani or Saturn comes on native. After dasa of saturn , the dasa of mercury> comes on native. If both dasa of saturn is going on native, than native suffers> a lot of problems in life.> > > > The Research on Shani :> > > > Shani is very good planet. Generlly people say him, a malefic planet, but exactly> shani is a planet, who tells you about you. Who gives you the situation to check> your nears and dears. After giving the results, saturn gives big relief to the> native. Many stories are there for shani. Which tells the power of shani. The> retro vision or aspect of sahni or saturn is very bad. Saturn do the proper> justice to every one. We hav seen,if saturn becomes weak or comes in kendra,> or comes deliberate in 10th or 1st house, or comes with mars or sun or rahu> or mercury or with all, gives less or negitive or very negiive results. Saturn> makes person exited, and confuse the decision making power of native. If the> problem becomes critical, or person get frstuated after doing well and hard> work from a long time, than strong possibility of the role of a saturn can be> there.> > > > > > > > Shani in houses or Saturn in houses :> > > Shani gives very good results in 10th, 11th and 6th houses. Shani gives less or> -ve results in 1st, 4th, 7th houses. Shani give very less results in 8th and 12th> houses. In fact shani give very less or -ve results in all benefic houses. Say> if shani is in 1st house or lagna or 7th house, make person struggler. And gives> marriage late almost in 30+. Create confusion in mariage life.> Shani in his dasa gives enjoyment to the native in the begining of dasa, and give> hard time at the end of his dasa, when comes in 12th house.> > Love marriage> yoga : If shani make any relaton with moon, if the degree of shani,> is more than moon, than provide chances to get marry and love with a peron, who> is more rich thn him. Shani gives very bad results in 4th and 8th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > Shani in zodiac signs :> > > > Shani become weak, when he comes in Leo or simha, Aries or Mesha, Scorpio or vrishchik> Signs. Shani become stron when he comes in Libra or Tula, Taurus or Vrishabh,> Cancer or karka, Capricorn or Makara, Aquarius or Kumbha, Pisces or Meena, Saggitarius> or Dhanu. Give average results, when comes in Gemini or mithuna, Virgo or kanya> Signs. Exalted sign is Libra, Falls Sign is Aries, Own Sign are Aquarius and Capricorn.> > > > > If the saturn is good, than it gives a lot of money and happiness to> the person.> Remedies :> Stones : Blue Spahire> > Donation to Poor - balck daal of urad , coal and mustered oil .> > Metal : Lead> > Shani Mantras:> Chanting of the following mantra which has been taken from the 'Purana' pacifies the Saturn.> > > > NILANJANA SAMA BHASAM RAVIPUTRAM YAMA GRAJAM ||> > CHHAAYA MARTANDA SAMBHOOTAM TAM NAMAMI SHANAISHCHARAM ||> > > > Cryptic Mantra:> > OM PRAM PRIM PRAUM SAH SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH ||> > > > General mantra:> > OM SHAM SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH ||> > > > Any of the above given three mantras can be chanted for the pacification of Saturn.> > > > Total numbers of chantings = 23,000 times> > Time for chanting the mantra = Evening.> > Vaishnav Mantra : SHRI GHANSHYAM SHARNAM MAM> > RUDRA ABHISHEKA or HANUMAN ABHISHEKA.> > SHANI POOJA, KEEP Fast of SHani Dev ji on saturday. > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: Rahu in 8th House> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 11:58 PM> > > Dear Ritu ji,> " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house.> > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. "> I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above.> Saturn> Saturn in 8th will give longevity.> Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha)> Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras.> The Sun> Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House.> Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ?> Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs.> regards and best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaskar,> >> > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology.> >> >> > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house.> > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also.> >> > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet.> >> >> > Stationary or regular planets.> > Retro planet> > Combust Planet> > Exalted planet> > Fall planet> >> > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases.> >> > 2nd is aspects or visions :> > 3rd is combination of planets.> >> > than u can make prediction.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote:> >> > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Namesta Ritu g,> > > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years,> > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit> >> >> > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote:> >> >> > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear friends,> >> > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > >> >> > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house> >> > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house.> >> > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also.> >> > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue,> >> > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he> > can waste a lot of money in his life.> >> >> > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life.> >> >> > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart.> >> >> > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults.> >> > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough> > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not,> >> >> > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > RITU> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote:> >> >> > venkatachala pathi pathiav >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Respected Astrologer Friends,> > > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise.> > > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic> > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life.> > > > Regards to all,> > A.V.Pathi, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> >> > > >> > Respected Sreenadh g,> > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit> >> > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:> >> > Sreenadh sreesog >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM> >> > > >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say> > about Rahu in 8th house -> > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH> > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)> > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> > 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute> > Swache shashti> > varshani va jeevitam> > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences> > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over?> > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > > come to> > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> > > common man, He is still> > respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and> > it> > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for local information? Find it on Local> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Learned members and Astrologers, Shani has given excellent results in the 4th house for the following native. DOB : 13th July 1943 POB : Khedbrahma, North Gujarat TOB : 11.15pm war time D. D. Trivedi --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Rahu in 8th House Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 12:28 PM Dear Ritu ji, " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. " I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above. Saturn Saturn in 8th will give longevity. Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras. The Sun Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House. Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ? Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs. regards and best wishes, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ....> wrote: > > Namaskar, > > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology. > > > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. > > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet. > > > Stationary or regular planets. > Retro planet > Combust Planet > Exalted planet > Fall planet > > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases. > > 2nd is aspects or visions : > 3rd is combination of planets. > > than u can make prediction. > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote: > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > Namesta Ritu g, > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years, > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote: > > > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > > > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house > > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house. > > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also. > > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue, > > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he > can waste a lot of money in his life. > > > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life. > > > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart. > > > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults. > > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not, > > > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house > > RITU > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote: > > > venkatachala pathi pathiav > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > > > > > Respected Astrologer Friends, > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise. > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life. > > Regards to all, > A.V.Pathi, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > Sreenadh sreesog > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say > about Rahu in 8th house - > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > Swache shashti > varshani va jeevitam > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > come to > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means. > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > common m recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Respected Sunil ji, (Thanks I really liked the words Mahasay), well sir i think if u told me tht about nodes right, u told me to see the chart from Lagna as its has raj yoga n from moon sign , Well sir if u read mine in the message 23564, tht from lagna chart i dont see how can ketu can give results (expect vipreet raja yoga 8th lord in 12th house wit neech bang raja yoga) if so then mercury dasha he has lots of hardship n as u must have seen tht from moon sign ketu is 12th lord n i asked u the reason y did ketu gave so superb results, As u have said tht from moon sign ketu is in 12th house its disporistor is Mercury being 12th lord n 3rd lord in 4th house ,( does it signfiy anything i dont feel so ) n as i m not after any one nor i m after Varga chart, i will try to explain if i can so , U say tht how come sun n mars which dont resemble any postive here in varga charts , u see sun is vargottam in exchange wit mars in Naks being mars being 11th lord n 4th lord wit 8th lord n to tht add one more point tht jupiter does not give him postive whenever there is an antra of jupiter he has huge losses y? can u explain me to tht , Again we learn lots from u all Gurujans if u think i m wasting my time then its my wish to do tht no one stop no one here , nor i call my self self proclaimed astrologer , i always say tht i m talking baby steps in astrology, nor i m saying tht or talking about other business man whoes has money transfer plus their property transfer from genereation to another genration , I think we r talking about this chart wit y Ketu in 8th house gave him result, Sir if u say tht u have done ur part on this chart plz explain me ( i m too dumbo to understood take it tht way) and question i will try to put up on it , Y jupiter gives him gives him bad results , plus venus ( he is in venus dasha) giving him bad results y Sun n Mars r gives him when ever there r in antra gives him good results , If ur time permits plz i request u to answer i will be wait for this results forever, Thanks from ur so called Mahsay in this group, Mohit --- On Wed, 8/12/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 7:36 AM Dear Mohit virmani mahasay ji I already givn pointer s on How to see Nodes and their dasa in many time in this tread ( even if in 8th House or any house )and in grp many times b4 too and u still dont find any gold mine is amazing means it is ur wish and will that u do all play and ppl like me do all work Pls see My reply on this chart In last mail messge No-http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 23406 I hav givn u points without spelling out predictions as this is already a Known event ,how to see this chart already but u r running after vargas first without considering all that ,can u giv me in another 1000 charts where ever exlated ketu or rahu ( even many texts giv diffrnt places for swa and ucha for rahu and Ketu ) givs best results in varga charts or even rasi charts in such Dasa s ??Givn 1 crore rs in one week s time even if there is No dana yoga s or raja Yoga s in chart ?? why Ignore Moon sign ?? and why dont u consider the effects again frm Moon sign ? if u apply only one pointer only ( that is varga status ) then every one in world will become astrologers Like once Bhaskar Ji said ,y Did u ignore the chart as a whole and its strnght ?? While seeing dasa of Nodes ( if it is rahu or ketu -then why u ignore the rasi Lord ,nakshtra Lord and where it is sitting in his chart and what was his role in dasa ?? how is his dipositor 's status ?? is he has any other raja Yogas to support such a rise than simply running to vargas first or running after some astrologers and taxing them ). Did u apply sanivath rahu and Kujavath ketu dictum in chart and see the status of such Lord s ?? ,what is Amsa sambanth of planets shows ?? ( means major dasa Lord and sub sub Lords ) ,How is his relationship with lagna Lord and Bhagya and Karma/labha Lords ?? do u ever consider ever even if some one made money in such a dasa it will last for ever or is it a temp phenomenon ?? ( my intention abt this sentence is see some business houses in india and their property and business keeps on growing even after generation after generation where as i find some ppl they make sudden money and then falls or their kids spoil everything in shortest possible time ) I dont know why still after this chart and ur intention ,since i already done my part if u still dont understand all this and dont find any Gold mine in grp archives then no one in world can help u .As u r simply waisting ur time . My simple request to u and all is this is a discussion forum and we r assuming and giving u and all equal status ( means has eligibity to discuss and argue than simply asking reasons each and every time ( hope atleast u may agree here as that shud b min requiremnt to participate in such a discussion ) as there is No gurus here and we r teaching any one .sure all types arguemnts on the basis of texts is welcome .also u can share ur exprence too with various charts ( but it shud not b limited one single chart ) hope i am clear here ,i hope u will take it positiv sense How is present status of this nativ under discussion ?? rgrds sunil nair if u r simply after Varga s alone and advocating such astrological analaysis ,In D-10 chart he has 2 planets in debilation ( sun and venus ) and why even their sub periods was good ( as u said frm 86 to 96 was best period --means full ketu Dasa which dont tally with ur own wording on how to see varga s ) ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > Repected Sunil ji, > Well sir i agree competely wit u sir tht on net n forum u cannot learn astrology sir nor do i have any goldmine tht can be explore on it nor forcing nobody to work on all the chart tht r requested by members here sir > > Well in the chart of 19.10.1954 10.05.00 place is delhi, In u see tht Scorpio Lagna n ketu in 8th house in the sign of gemini, n Naks of rahu n u see in D-9 Ketu is in Third house in the sign of kumb and u see in D-10 Makar lagna and Ketu in 11th house is exclated in scorpio his most friendly sign gave him superb result between from 1986 to 1993 his income were in lakhs where few thousand were enough, i do recall once he said to me tht on in week time he earned a crore , Well sir plz more insight on it , Sorry n Thanks Mohit > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 3:30 PM > > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji > > One of the late lessons in my life was astrology cannot b taught tru net fora s and chat s > > as u are seeing a purticular charts only and and still not ready to explore the Goldmine already waiting to b explored and u want me or others to decode every charts for u > > sure the discussion abt Nodes or planets in 8th House but u hav to use previous discussions happened in grp ,some discussions may b very older ,every time i or no one in world has time nor resources to work for 24 hrs in retyping all that ,or even search or reproduce it for u and any one ,even under this tread i discussed many times -how nodes r giving results many time s > > can u tell me how rahu and ketu givs results ?? > > according to some grp of astrologers ketu in mithuna is debilated and why it shud giv good results ?? and when rahu even if it is in exlatation house and good House why it is not giving good results ?? > > pls think and digest all discussion s happened in this grp since day one of its incorporation and come with ur answers > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > > > Respected Sunil g, > > > > Well Sir i m sorry if i have put luggage in Gurujans, Well Sunil g the question was Rahu & Ketu in 8th house how does he signify good result of two charts put up by me ,Well Sunil g i couldnt able to jutifies it ,but looking further in Varga charts (Specially D-10 charts) signifies both charts good results(specially chart of Ketu dasha gave him fantatics results) So i though rather confusing the talks n getting on to the other sides of talks so i though of keeping quiet Sir... Hope it u understood it (Well no one till now talked of varga chart on the topic of Rahu in 8th House) , Sorry n Thanks Mohit > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote: > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohit JI > > > > Can u giv some astrological reasons also along with ur mails other than putting that luggage of explaing it over and over again ( as many times it will drag discussions to diffrnt aspects which is already discussed in grp ,sure sreenadh ji was quoting rishi Hora s and not predicting any spl charts -so u r mail comes under longitivity part tho sreenadh ji mail it is mentioned that rahu in 8th house can giv bad effects to even longitivity ) on other ppl s shoulder and then this discussion will b more lively and colorful than dry where many many prediction seekers r ready to pounce frm every nook and corner of grp the momnt they find some discussions related to their chart is there ..Even many dont care where rahu sits in chart even .The momnt they see the rahu discussions posts the charts without even respecting the other persons time he spent on such discussions and taunting them in the name of discussion > > > > So i request u to add u r share also in discussion ,sure u may say u r novice in astrology or old student ,let it b ,but pls contribute more frm ur side too . > > > > Hope u understand my points and u will contribute more and add more power to discussions as we all r jointly investigating and not simply declaring results on every astro dictums . > > > > Thanks for posting data s and keep it up > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house - > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort.. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means. > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses. > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope. > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Mohit ji if u cannot do ur part of home work and if u r baby taking steps in astrology then i am not doing baby sitting here U hav to find ur answers own ur own way than asking me to explain each every thing on some one 's chart which i am not paid for my time for it .as far as i am concenrned i hav givn my opinion abt the chart and u already also told his venus dasa is bad ( which is running now ) so it is enough to proov that what i was saying is right ( even that is why i asked is he cud able to retain his status as good earner in later life ) This again proovs that no one can discuss with babies and baby steps any serious discussion as they wants only reasons on other persons efforts ,that also in one liners and all forgets that if so no one needs to spend a life time learning and updating and reserch in astrology ,simple one liners will do .rgrds sunil nair y jupiter dasa is bad ?? y sun/mars dasa is good ??is it not a paradox ( all answer s shud b in simple one line and all rishies were so stupid they made volumnous texts for astrology ) , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Sunil ji,> > > (Thanks I really liked the words Mahasay), well sir i think if u told me tht about nodes right, u told me to see the chart from Lagna as its has raj yoga n from moon sign , Well sir if u read mine in the message 23564, tht from lagna chart i dont> see how can ketu can give results (expect vipreet raja yoga 8th lord in 12th house wit neech bang raja yoga) if so then mercury dasha he has lots of hardship n as u must have seen tht from moon sign ketu is 12th lord n i asked u the reason y did ketu gave so superb results, > As u have said tht from moon sign ketu is in 12th house its disporistor is Mercury being 12th lord n 3rd lord in 4th house ,( does it signfiy anything i dont feel so ) n as i m not after any one nor i m after Varga chart, i will try to explain if i can so , U say tht how come sun n mars which dont resemble any postive here in varga charts , u see sun is vargottam in exchange wit mars in Naks being mars being 11th lord n 4th lord wit 8th lord n to tht add one more point tht jupiter does not give him postive whenever there is an antra of jupiter he has huge losses y? can u explain me to tht , Again we learn lots from u all Gurujans if u think i m wasting my time then its my wish to do tht no one stop no one here , nor i call my self self proclaimed astrologer , i always say tht i m talking baby steps in astrology, nor i m saying tht or talking about other business man whoes has money transfer> plus their property transfer from genereation to another genration , I think we r talking about this chart wit y Ketu in 8th house gave him result,> > Sir if u say tht u have done ur part on this chart plz explain me ( i m too dumbo to understood take it tht way) and question i will try to put up on it , Y jupiter gives him gives him bad results , plus venus ( he is in venus dasha) giving him bad results y Sun n Mars r gives him when ever there r in antra gives him good results , If ur time permits plz i request u to answer i will be wait for this results forever,> > Thanks from ur so called Mahsay in this group, Mohit> --- On Wed, 8/12/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 7:36 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit virmani mahasay ji> > I already givn pointer s on How to see Nodes and their dasa in many time in this tread ( even if in 8th House or any house )and in grp many times b4 too and u still dont find any gold mine is amazing means it is ur wish and will that u do all play and ppl like me do all work> > Pls see My reply on this chart In last mail messge No-http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 23406> > I hav givn u points without spelling out predictions as this is already a Known event ,how to see this chart already but u r running after vargas first without considering all that ,can u giv me in another 1000 charts where ever exlated ketu or rahu ( even many texts giv diffrnt places for swa and ucha for rahu and Ketu ) givs best results in varga charts or even rasi charts in such Dasa s ??Givn 1 crore rs in one week s time even if there is No dana yoga s or raja Yoga s in chart ??> > why Ignore Moon sign ?? and why dont u consider the effects again frm Moon sign ?> > if u apply only one pointer only ( that is varga status ) then every one in world will become astrologers Like once Bhaskar Ji said ,y Did u ignore the chart as a whole and its strnght ?? While seeing dasa of Nodes ( if it is rahu or ketu -then why u ignore the rasi Lord ,nakshtra Lord and where it is sitting in his chart and what was his role in dasa ?? how is his dipositor 's status ?? is he has any other raja Yogas to support such a rise than simply running to vargas first or running after some astrologers and taxing them ). Did u apply sanivath rahu and Kujavath ketu dictum in chart and see the status of such Lord s ?? ,what is Amsa sambanth of planets shows ?? ( means major dasa Lord and sub sub Lords ) ,How is his relationship with lagna Lord and Bhagya and Karma/labha Lords ?? do u ever consider ever even if some one made money in such a dasa it will last for ever or is it a temp phenomenon ?? ( my intention abt this sentence is see some> business houses in india and their property and business keeps on growing even after generation after generation where as i find some ppl they make sudden money and then falls or their kids spoil everything in shortest possible time )> > I dont know why still after this chart and ur intention ,since i already done my part> > if u still dont understand all this and dont find any Gold mine in grp archives then no one in world can help u .As u r simply waisting ur time .> > My simple request to u and all is this is a discussion forum and we r assuming and giving u and all equal status ( means has eligibity to discuss and argue than simply asking reasons each and every time ( hope atleast u may agree here as that shud b min requiremnt to participate in such a discussion ) as there is No gurus here and we r teaching any one .sure all types arguemnts on the basis of texts is welcome .also u can share ur exprence too with various charts ( but it shud not b limited one single chart )> > hope i am clear here ,i hope u will take it positiv sense> > How is present status of this nativ under discussion ??> > rgrds sunil nair> > if u r simply after Varga s alone and advocating such astrological analaysis ,In D-10 chart he has 2 planets in debilation ( sun and venus ) and why even their sub periods was good ( as u said frm 86 to 96 was best period --means full ketu Dasa which dont tally with ur own wording on how to see varga s )> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Repected Sunil ji,> > Well sir i agree competely wit u sir tht on net n forum u cannot learn astrology sir nor do i have any goldmine tht can be explore on it nor forcing nobody to work on all the chart tht r requested by members here sir> > > > Well in the chart of 19.10.1954 10.05.00 place is delhi, In u see tht Scorpio Lagna n ketu in 8th house in the sign of gemini, n Naks of rahu n u see in D-9 Ketu is in Third house in the sign of kumb and u see in D-10 Makar lagna and Ketu in 11th house is exclated in scorpio his most friendly sign gave him superb result between from 1986 to 1993 his income were in lakhs where few thousand were enough, i do recall once he said to me tht on in week time he earned a crore , Well sir plz more insight on it , Sorry n Thanks Mohit> >> >> >> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 3:30 PM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Dear Mohit ji> >> > One of the late lessons in my life was astrology cannot b taught tru net fora s and chat s> >> > as u are seeing a purticular charts only and and still not ready to explore the Goldmine already waiting to b explored and u want me or others to decode every charts for u> >> > sure the discussion abt Nodes or planets in 8th House but u hav to use previous discussions happened in grp ,some discussions may b very older ,every time i or no one in world has time nor resources to work for 24 hrs in retyping all that ,or even search or reproduce it for u and any one ,even under this tread i discussed many times -how nodes r giving results many time s > >> > can u tell me how rahu and ketu givs results ??> >> > according to some grp of astrologers ketu in mithuna is debilated and why it shud giv good results ?? and when rahu even if it is in exlatation house and good House why it is not giving good results ??> >> > pls think and digest all discussion s happened in this grp since day one of its incorporation and come with ur answers> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sunil g,> > > > > > Well Sir i m sorry if i have put luggage in Gurujans, Well Sunil g the question was Rahu & Ketu in 8th house how does he signify good result of two charts put up by me ,Well Sunil g i couldnt able to jutifies it ,but looking further in Varga charts (Specially D-10 charts) signifies both charts good results(specially chart of Ketu dasha gave him fantatics results) So i though rather confusing the talks n getting on to the other sides of talks so i though of keeping quiet Sir... Hope it u understood it (Well no one till now talked of varga chart on the topic of Rahu in 8th House) , Sorry n Thanks Mohit> > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > >> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:09 AM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mohit JI> > >> > > Can u giv some astrological reasons also along with ur mails other than putting that luggage of explaing it over and over again ( as many times it will drag discussions to diffrnt aspects which is already discussed in grp ,sure sreenadh ji was quoting rishi Hora s and not predicting any spl charts -so u r mail comes under longitivity part tho sreenadh ji mail it is mentioned that rahu in 8th house can giv bad effects to even longitivity ) on other ppl s shoulder and then this discussion will b more lively and colorful than dry where many many prediction seekers r ready to pounce frm every nook and corner of grp the momnt they find some discussions related to their chart is there .Even many dont care where rahu sits in chart even .The momnt they see the rahu discussions posts the charts without even respecting the other persons time he spent on such discussions and taunting them in the name of discussion> > >> > > So i request u to add u r share also in discussion ,sure u may say u r novice in astrology or old student ,let it b ,but pls contribute more frm ur side too .> > >> > > Hope u understand my points and u will contribute more and add more power to discussions as we all r jointly investigating and not simply declaring results on every astro dictums .> > >> > > Thanks for posting data s and keep it up> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sreenadh g,> > > > > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit> > > >> > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house -> > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH> > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)> > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort.. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute> > > > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam> > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over?> > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelamji,> > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > > > > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> > > > > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it> > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar.> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Mohit ji, //Saturn inspite his Saturn is yoga karka in his chart didnt gave him results expect of parental fore fathers property, Plz if u can add on it // Saturn is NOT the subject of discussion here, but Rahu in 8th for this thread. So I won't be commenting on this chart anymore. Please concentrate on the thread under discussion and stop trying to squeeze out a reading. Regards,Sreenadh , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Sreenadh ji,> > Ya it was very interesting tht ur earlier didnt confirm of Sage saying , now tht i m very much clear, Thanks u so much talking pains sir , sir i will wanna ask u (if time permit sir)more thing tht Saturn inspite his Saturn is yoga karka in his chart didnt gave him results expect of parental fore fathers property, Plz if u can add on it , Thanks Mohit> --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Respected Sunil g, Well sir well i applied did applied wat u said so i went further, and as i said i m talking baby steps on my concern not nor nor i have u be my baby sit nor i m giving u any money to read a chart, Nor i m saying Sage r wrong ( i feel Maharishi Parashar ji was too a Sage who discovered or invented wat ever Varga charts not u or me ), i have did my home work if u cant go further on this chart its ur wish n well to ur concern Jup , Mars n Sun Dasha is way to ahead i was talking about Antra, Thanks n Sorry for the trouble u too on this chart, n sorry for inconvience i did put on u , Thanks Mohit --- On Wed, 8/12/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:56 PM Dear Mohit ji if u cannot do ur part of home work and if u r baby taking steps in astrology then i am not doing baby sitting here U hav to find ur answers own ur own way than asking me to explain each every thing on some one 's chart which i am not paid for my time for it .as far as i am concenrned i hav givn my opinion abt the chart and u already also told his venus dasa is bad ( which is running now ) so it is enough to proov that what i was saying is right ( even that is why i asked is he cud able to retain his status as good earner in later life ) This again proovs that no one can discuss with babies and baby steps any serious discussion as they wants only reasons on other persons efforts ,that also in one liners and all forgets that if so no one needs to spend a life time learning and updating and reserch in astrology ,simple one liners will do ..rgrds sunil nair y jupiter dasa is bad ?? y sun/mars dasa is good ??is it not a paradox ( all answer s shud b in simple one line and all rishies were so stupid they made volumnous texts for astrology ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2009 Respected Sreenadh, I m so sorry sir as i did try to extract of the chart , Well to add on tht Saturn being Yogakarka wit Venus being lagnesh n 8th lord Mrecury being 9th n 12 th lord didnt gave him expected results as it should give but in his Saturn-Ketu Dasha gave him big two patenal property ,Well he has exchange of tenth n twelth lord n from moon sign he has 1st n 11th lord exchange, in D-9 makar lagna Saturn is strong in lagna wit exclated Mars n Mercury 9th n 6th lord, Sir if u have time plz just see y did Saturn didnt gave him results in spite of good placed n to add one more thing Jupiter being 3rd n 6th lord gave him good postion job n after tht big 14een factroy D-9 Jup being 3rd n 12th lord exchange wit VEus yogakarka, Sorry sir for all if u have the time plz see it , Thanks Mohit--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 5:57 PM Dear Mohit ji, //Saturn inspite his Saturn is yoga karka in his chart didnt gave him results expect ofparental fore fathers property, Plz if u can add on it // Saturn is NOT the subject of discussion here, but Rahu in 8th for this thread. So I won't be commenting on this chart anymore. Please concentrate on the thread under discussion and stop trying to squeeze out a reading. Regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sreenadh ji,> > Ya it was very interesting tht ur earlier didnt confirm of Sage saying , now tht i m very much clear, Thanks u so much talking pains sir , sir i will wanna ask u (if time permit sir)more thing tht Saturn inspite his Saturn is yoga karka in his chart didnt gave him results expect of parental fore fathers property, Plz if u can add on it , Thanks Mohit> --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 dear sreenadhji, My son has Rahu in the 8th. his lagna is Kumbha and saturn is in kataka. his dob is 14-06-1977, 10.45pm, place:chennai. He has reflux oesophagitis (GERD) and it started in Rahu dasa, jup anatar. It is because due to his taking up a job outside chennai and change in the eating habits because of his being away from us. In his chart jup and saturn is aspecting rahu so he doesnt have any problems as on date with his friends or relatives. He is liked by friends and relatives. this is for ur information in relation to the ongoing topic. regards, k.gopu --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:05 AM Dear Bhaskar ji, Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house -1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)[if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]2) As per Brigu Sutra - Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Neelamji,> Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it> has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Mohit ji Thanks for ur mail I hav all respect for all rishies But i hav a diffrnce of opinion abt sage parasara ,he never discovered any thing in astrology ,(Tho he was respected father figure in astrology ),where as he was presenting various systems prevalent in indian culture ( not geographical india ) and made it in one text .even I heard some of his dasa sampraday s were simply in 4 lines and left for other gurukulas to explain further ( as many of these systems were very well known those days and no need of explaining every thing and it leave a confusion in later days ,Now every one wants to see everything in astrology in each texts and laments why How to make chart is not in yavan jataka or satya jataka and argues each other even chart shud b made in diffrnt way -sayana way or nirayan way like this evn without understanding this simple basics ) .so he dont invented this varga system ( Tho modern context we call some system as parasari orjaimini like this on the basis of available texts at present ) I read one old book in malayalam in my younger days where parasara was mentioned in it ( even so many other names including unfamiliar Devala rishi was in there in that book -i dont think any of his books or even one shloka made by him is surviving thse days ) ,it is abt dhooma ketu s or Comet s ,so it has discussed abt various comets appearing in intervel frm one yr to 100 s of yrs upto 400 or so yrs if my memory is correct and it is classified in Various names ,and givn each type a name and its effects on world at large .So i dont think it can b done in a single life time efforts ,and it is some gurukula names may b even where each acharya s were called as parasara or devala who ever is athipathi even .So i blv each of this gurukulas were independent universities who were conducting reserch s and many gurukula s might hav survived 1000s of yrs and so they cud produce such magnificint works .( even if u refer ancient texts u can see him as Jyothisha pravartaka than inventer and included him in 18 rishies who propogated it -even varahmihir dont hav this status ) also what ever u r using is not in correct way ( u can apply before hand of events in as many as charts and see it urself,if u r ready to explore further without making much noice in grps and jumping on every one ) but dont ask me how to use it ( even u can declare that i dont know any thing , i hav no complaint )what ever i was using in varga s is not by treating varga as a independent chart other than rasi chart or ignoring it pave ur own way and u will find it if u r sincere .( that is why all indian system is self exploration than any guru is teaching u upto printing/copying mistake s happened in text s ) all the best to u rgrds sunil nair , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Sunil g,> > Well sir well i applied did applied wat u said so i went further, and as i said i m talking baby steps on my concern not nor nor i have u be my baby sit nor i m giving u any money to read a chart, Nor i m saying Sage r wrong ( i feel Maharishi Parashar ji was too a Sage who discovered or invented wat ever Varga charts not u or me ), i have did my home work if u cant go further on this chart its ur wish n well to ur concern Jup , Mars n Sun Dasha is way to ahead i was talking about Antra, Thanks n Sorry for the trouble u too on this chart, n sorry for inconvience i did put on u , Thanks Mohit > > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:56 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji> > if u cannot do ur part of home work and if u r baby taking steps in astrology then i am not doing baby sitting here> > U hav to find ur answers own ur own way than asking me to explain each every thing on some one 's chart which i am not paid for my time for it .> > as far as i am concenrned i hav givn my opinion abt the chart and u already also told his venus dasa is bad ( which is running now )> > so it is enough to proov that what i was saying is right ( even that is why i asked is he cud able to retain his status as good earner in later life )> > This again proovs that no one can discuss with babies and baby steps any serious discussion as they wants only reasons on other persons efforts ,that also in one liners and all forgets that if so no one needs to spend a life time learning and updating and reserch in astrology ,simple one liners will do .> > rgrds sunil nair> > y jupiter dasa is bad ?? y sun/mars dasa is good ??is it not a paradox ( all answer s shud b in simple one line and all rishies were so stupid they made volumnous texts for astrology )> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Respected Sunil ji, Thanks u so much for writing sir (which i though tht u wont write), Well first of all i m not jumping on no one nor i m shouting on anybody, i m just here mere seek learner, Well sir u r right u cant judge one wit varga, which i dont but , i though rather as u have talking the Rasi chart wit moon sign n d-9 , i was not getting results , ya it was my mistake i didnt wrote (thinking sir as u have already discussed n told me how to read it so i went further) further, Well i agree tht was my mistake well , Sir getting results on how i read , is a mysterious thing sir well i dont disclose nor its time to say tht, And thanks so much sir telling me all about few things which i didnt knew , And sir I DIDNT SAID U KNOW NOTHING nor i m capable to say so well i needed some explain which u straight forwared said no , as u wont discuss waste time witout money, Plz dont misunderstand tht sir ,Sorry if did , Well sir Thanks for all,(But i will continue wrting as i have time sir even if it is right or wrong tencially according u me i will reticfy mistake from tht ) Thanks Mohit --- On Thu, 8/13/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 3:07 AM Dear Mohit ji Thanks for ur mail I hav all respect for all rishies But i hav a diffrnce of opinion abt sage parasara ,he never discovered any thing in astrology ,(Tho he was respected father figure in astrology ),where as he was presenting various systems prevalent in indian culture ( not geographical india ) and made it in one text .even I heard some of his dasa sampraday s were simply in 4 lines and left for other gurukulas to explain further ( as many of these systems were very well known those days and no need of explaining every thing and it leave a confusion in later days ,Now every one wants to see everything in astrology in each texts and laments why How to make chart is not in yavan jataka or satya jataka and argues each other even chart shud b made in diffrnt way -sayana way or nirayan way like this evn without understanding this simple basics ) .so he dont invented this varga system ( Tho modern context we call some system as parasari orjaimini like this on the basis of available texts at present ) I read one old book in malayalam in my younger days where parasara was mentioned in it ( even so many other names including unfamiliar Devala rishi was in there in that book -i dont think any of his books or even one shloka made by him is surviving thse days ) ,it is abt dhooma ketu s or Comet s ,so it has discussed abt various comets appearing in intervel frm one yr to 100 s of yrs upto 400 or so yrs if my memory is correct and it is classified in Various names ,and givn each type a name and its effects on world at large .So i dont think it can b done in a single life time efforts ,and it is some gurukula names may b even where each acharya s were called as parasara or devala who ever is athipathi even .So i blv each of this gurukulas were independent universities who were conducting reserch s and many gurukula s might hav survived 1000s of yrs and so they cud produce such magnificint works .( even if u refer ancient texts u can see him as Jyothisha pravartaka than inventer and included him in 18 rishies who propogated it -even varahmihir dont hav this status ) also what ever u r using is not in correct way ( u can apply before hand of events in as many as charts and see it urself,if u r ready to explore further without making much noice in grps and jumping on every one ) but dont ask me how to use it ( even u can declare that i dont know any thing , i hav no complaint )what ever i was using in varga s is not by treating varga as a independent chart other than rasi chart or ignoring it pave ur own way and u will find it if u r sincere .( that is why all indian system is self exploration than any guru is teaching u upto printing/copying mistake s happened in text s ) all the best to u rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sunil g,> > Well sir well i applied did applied wat u said so i went further, and as i said i m talking baby steps on my concern not nor nor i have u be my baby sit nor i m giving u any money to read a chart, Nor i m saying Sage r wrong ( i feel Maharishi Parashar ji was too a Sage who discovered or invented wat ever Varga charts not u or me ), i have did my home work if u cant go further on this chart its ur wish n well to ur concern Jup , Mars n Sun Dasha is way to ahead i was talking about Antra, Thanks n Sorry for the trouble u too on this chart, n sorry for inconvience i did put on u , Thanks Mohit > > --- On Wed, 8/12/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 1:56 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji> > if u cannot do ur part of home work and if u r baby taking steps in astrology then i am not doing baby sitting here> > U hav to find ur answers own ur own way than asking me to explain each every thing on some one 's chart which i am not paid for my time for it .> > as far as i am concenrned i hav givn my opinion abt the chart and u already also told his venus dasa is bad ( which is running now )> > so it is enough to proov that what i was saying is right ( even that is why i asked is he cud able to retain his status as good earner in later life )> > This again proovs that no one can discuss with babies and baby steps any serious discussion as they wants only reasons on other persons efforts ,that also in one liners and all forgets that if so no one needs to spend a life time learning and updating and reserch in astrology ,simple one liners will do .> > rgrds sunil nair> > y jupiter dasa is bad ?? y sun/mars dasa is good ??is it not a paradox ( all answer s shud b in simple 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Gopu ji Thanks for this chart even i hav to google to know what is this discease U can see natural 6th House ( stomach area -virgo ) and his 6th House ( karkata rasi ) is afflicted is one pointer then born in KP chathurdasi nite birth may b one reason ( as moon is also deha karaka ) even mars and sat is aspecting each other and sat as lagna Lord in 6th house at one Look this r my views hope other memebrs may take up more and dig out more details can u giv me more details abt his study ,job and rise in position etc except this part rgrds sunil nair , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear sreenadhji,> My son has Rahu in the 8th. his lagna is Kumbha and saturn is in> kataka. his dob is 14-06-1977, 10.45pm, place:chennai. He has > reflux oesophagitis (GERD) and it started in Rahu dasa, jup anatar.> It is because due to his taking up a job outside chennai and change> in the eating habits because of his being away from us.> In his chart jup and saturn is aspecting rahu so he doesnt have> any problems as on date with his friends or relatives. He is liked by> friends and relatives. this is for ur information in relation to the ongoing> topic.> > regards,> k.gopu> > > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Sreenadh sreesog Re: Rahu in 8th House> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 12:05 AM> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say about Rahu in 8th house -> 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH> Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)> [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort. He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > Swache shashti varshani va jeevitam> (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Neelamji,> > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > come to be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> > common man, He is still respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and it> > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Friend,shani give extremely bad results in 4th house. only it is possible, if it comes in his exalted sign. or in pisces sign. if in 4th house, shani comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign. native will face lot of problem in life.one can get things in his life. u can not say shani has given good things to this person, even in 4th house. consider his dasa. next jupiter aspects, next lagan, than u can say shani is good for him for him.I have my own blog, having 1000's of members, i can send u many data, with this shani. I have written own book of nav greh shanti and shani , mangal and rahu.In last email I have sent some matter on shani.. If ur interested in astrology, than consider the data and life of such native who have virgo or gemini ascendant. In gochar shani will come in virgo sign on sep 09 at evening time. the persons who hav gemini ascendant, will face some or more problem in life, collect the data of such persons, and study it for next 2.5 yrs. u get the things. I can write more, but less time. --- On Wed, 12/8/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 5:00 AM Dear Learned members and Astrologers, Shani has given excellent results in the 4th house for the following native. DOB : 13th July 1943 POB : Khedbrahma, North Gujarat TOB : 11.15pm war time D.. D. Trivedi --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 12:28 PM Dear Ritu ji, " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. " I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above. Saturn Saturn in 8th will give longevity. Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras. The Sun Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House. Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ? Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs. regards and best wishes, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm..2005@ ...> wrote: > > Namaskar, > > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology. > > > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. > > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet. > > > Stationary or regular planets. > Retro planet > Combust Planet > Exalted planet > Fall planet > > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases. > > 2nd is aspects or visions : > 3rd is combination of planets. > > than u can make prediction. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote: > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namesta Ritu g, > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years, > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote: > > > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > > > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house > > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house. > > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also. > > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue, > > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he > can waste a lot of money in his life. > > > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life. > > > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart. > > > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults. > > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not, > > > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house > > > > > > > > > RITU > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote: > > > venkatachala pathi pathiav > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > > > > > Respected Astrologer Friends, > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise. > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life. > > Regards to all, > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > Sreenadh sreesog > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say > about Rahu in 8th house - > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > Swache shashti > varshani va jeevitam > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > come to > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about).. These cases are > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means. > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > common m recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Bhaskar ji,1st u know the nature of shani. know more about of shani. I always teach my students about the planets. Tell them all about the stories, power and nature of each greh.i invest 1.5 months on the planets in a total time of 3 months course. When one get the knowledge about greh, than he can predict very well and fast.one can not make prediction, with a one planet. even a soft planet bhudha gives extremly bad result to native.In shorts - shani means : manda, his speed is slow, give effects 4 sectors at least in kundli, he has 3 visions - 3rd, 7th and 10th. and the house where he lies. the gochar effect of shani also give importance. to 1 or 2 sectors, if saade saat saati is there. hat moment shani effects the 5 or 6 houses out of 12 houses. than shani dasa, maha dasa - antar dasa - prati anar dasa. this is the maximum capacity to give result to person.. 1st check the type of shani, next check his aspects, than u can make any conclusion. Now houses in shani : give less results to that houss, where shani gives his visions. if his visions are good to that house, give good result to that house, if vision is bad to that house give bad result to that house.exampe, exalted shani give good result in 4th house, and falls shani give bad result in 4th house.So this statement is little confusing 4me shani or any planet in houses. One can't predict any thing, that shani or any planet in this house, so this is the result. check whole kundli and aspecs of all planets on each other, than make conclusons.U guys take any example, say shani is weak in any house, which u think, suppose u think shani is weak in 5th house, but guru is making an aspect on 5th house with shani, shani give good results 4 this house. --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 1:24 AM Dear Rituji, Though I would love to read the mail, but its too lengthy and seems to be a copy paste with comments put in between. I dont understand such matters easily. Actually am born with a retro and combusted Mercury so the Buddhi works a little delayed, if it works at all. If You could condense this to about 30-40 Lines with some clue to actually what is being said and the why of it, I could be highly obliged and remain grateful to you. To make it more clear - Can You take the 12 Zodiac signs one at a time, and mention why Saturn would not prove good in kendras in each of them ?. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > Saturn in 8th will give longevity.> Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha)> Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras.> > I know the all panch maha pursha yoga.> > Listen carefully, 1st check the type of planet -> > > stationary planet> Retro planet> com bust planet> falls and exalted planets.> > > In above all, shani seems to be gud and powerful in 10th house only. Still get effect the 4th, and 7th house badly.> > saturn give gud result in 8th house, if get effected with jupter,> > normal results if comes in own sign ie capricorn, aquarius signs> little less normal or normal - comes in dhanu, vrishabha and meena rashi.> > gud if comes in tula rashi. > > The type of planet is 1st thing in the kundli.> > weak sahni is bad in all kendras as wel as 8th house.> > exalted shani in 4th house, provide lot of wealth to person, but person do lot of bad karmas in life, and face always tensions.> > falls shani in 4th house - problem in mother & waelth, education break, and all comforts of life, but make person strong, do good karma in life, and get name fame money in his life from his hard worker. one word we can use for it say - KARMATH INSAAN.> > if comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign in 4th house or any kendras - no happiness in life. face always probs in life, if have money, still than face probs in life> > > effected 1st house - delay in marriage. tensions, if shani is weak probs in marriage life, less happiness, job probs always, mother's health issue, if mars is there in lagna or effected 7th house, probs of divorce or seprations.> > I have less time to write, check below the things> > > > > > > > > > SHANI DOSHA> : > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Shani Dev is a powerful> planet or greh in our vedas> & granthas. Shani is a> son of the God Surya or Sun.> His colour is blue. He release> the blue rays to us. The planets> saturn looks very pretty from> all other planets. The God> Shiv ji ji, gave his blessings> to Shani Dev. God Gave him> a responsibility of planet,> provide a work to give results> according to all living things> in this world according to> their KARMAS.> > > Shani Dev ji, is a prime juduge,> do the justice with all of> us, including people,> lords, animals, plants and> even God also. Among> all of his dasa the saade> saat saati of shani dev ji> is very dangerous. The retro> vision of shani dev ji, give> a bad effect, and is very> dangerous.> > > SHANI IS A FRIEND NOT A FOE,> Shani dev ji, give some troubles> to the person with his visions,> make him pure again and provide> all enjoyments to the person> in his last stage of his dasa,> according to the karmas.> > > > I have seen, If person has> a good shani alone in the> horoscope, native will get> lot of money in his life.> Shani Dev alone can make person> rich.> > > > > > > > Vedic astrology the planet Saturn is called SHANI. In Sanskrit Shani comes from> Sanischara, which means, slow mover. From Shani we get the word shun , which> means to ignore, or lose awareness of something. Thus, Saturn represents a loss> of awareness, or ignorance. This loss of awareness can also mean the diminishing> awareness of the material world of manifestation. Here Saturn indicates the> ascetic, rich with inner spirituality, and lost to this material plane of existence.> > > > > Saturn is a malefic graha. He rules over the two zodiac signs Capricorn and> Aquarius. He is exalted in Libra, and fallen in the opposite sign of Aries..> Saturn is a karaka , or indicator, of longevity, misery, sorrow, old age and> death, discipline, restriction, responsibility, delays, ambition, leadership> and authority, humility, integrity, wisdom born of experience. Saturn also indicates> asceticism, denial, non-attachment, spirituality, hard work, organization, reality> and time itself.> > > > Saturn s most powerful place in the chart is in the 7th House and the Kendra> s. He is a particularly beneficial planet for Taurus and Libra Ascendants. Saturn> s nature is Vata, or Airy. His gem is Blue Sapphire and all black stones and> his metal is Lead. Saturn s direction is west and his day is Saturday. He reaches> full maturity at age 36. In Vedic myth Saturn is the son of the Sun, born to> his shadow wife, Chaya. Saturn is lame because one of the Sun s first wife Sanjana> s children became angered with him and struck him in the foot. Thus Saturn walks> with a limp, which accounts why he is the slowest of the Grahas.> > > > The graha SANISCHARA (Saturn), also known as Manda, is generally known to affect> one adversely on occasions when he occupies certain positions in one s horoscope> like Saade Sati (7 1/2 years). He is the Lord of Makaram and Kumbam. He is the> slowest moving planet taking 2 1/2 years in each Rasi, completing one cycle> every 30 years. A prayer to this Devata, especially on Saturdays, is said to> mitigate the hardships one will have to face during these periods. Sanischara> bestows all benefits to the devotees who pray sincerely to him. The legend that> depict the influence of the worship of SHANI goes as follows, and is narrated> whenever a worship or offering is made to the deity.> > > > Aspects, Visions, Dasa & Maha dasa of System :> > > > Saturn has 3 aspects or visions or drishtis in a horoscopes. He effects the> 4 houses in horoscopes. His visions are more powerful. Destroy or reduce the> effect of that house, which house it lies. If person has leo ascendant, so in> this moment, when ever he has born, what ever dasa he has, or other planet he> has in his horoscope. This moment, on 15- 6-09, he will facing a trouble in> his working area, and will be facing a much presure on him, weather he has enough> money or not. This is the main roleof saturn. If he has saade saat saati of> shani also this moment, than more bad, if he has bad dasa or main period, than> more bad, if he has already weak or bad shani in his horoscope than more bad.> > > > > Friends of Saturn : : The saturn friends are rahu, ketu, venus.> Has normal relaion with moon and jupiter. Bad relaion with mars and sun. Give> trouble to mercury some times. If ones horoscope, saturn is making a combination> with sun, mercury, rahu, mars, than saturn will give bad result to the nativei.> Dasa will give bad results to the person, if any good or the dasa of benefic> planet is going on native, still than, shani will give trouble to the native.> > > > > Dasa , Mahadasa, Main Period of Saturn or Shani :> > > > The main dasa of saturn is for 19 years. The othere dasa is saade saat saati.> Saade saat saati is more typical for person. Saade saat saati comes on a peron> must, up to the age of 30 yrs. It comes on every 30 years on one sign. Both> dasa of saturn or shani is very typical. Shani gives results to person according> to his Karma. Jupiter is a benefic planet, his dasa is for 16 years. Person> do enjoy in the period of jupiter. After dasa of jupiter, the dasa or main period> of Shani or Saturn comes on native. After dasa of saturn , the dasa of mercury> comes on native. If both dasa of saturn is going on native, than native suffers> a lot of problems in life.> > > > The Research on Shani :> > > > Shani is very good planet. Generlly people say him, a malefic planet, but exactly> shani is a planet, who tells you about you. Who gives you the situation to check> your nears and dears. After giving the results, saturn gives big relief to the> native. Many stories are there for shani. Which tells the power of shani. The> retro vision or aspect of sahni or saturn is very bad. Saturn do the proper> justice to every one. We hav seen,if saturn becomes weak or comes in kendra,> or comes deliberate in 10th or 1st house, or comes with mars or sun or rahu> or mercury or with all, gives less or negitive or very negiive results. Saturn> makes person exited, and confuse the decision making power of native. If the> problem becomes critical, or person get frstuated after doing well and hard> work from a long time, than strong possibility of the role of a saturn can be> there.> > > > > > > > Shani in houses or Saturn in houses :> > > Shani gives very good results in 10th, 11th and 6th houses. Shani gives less or> -ve results in 1st, 4th, 7th houses. Shani give very less results in 8th and 12th> houses. In fact shani give very less or -ve results in all benefic houses. Say> if shani is in 1st house or lagna or 7th house, make person struggler. And gives> marriage late almost in 30+. Create confusion in mariage life.> Shani in his dasa gives enjoyment to the native in the begining of dasa, and give> hard time at the end of his dasa, when comes in 12th house.> > Love marriage> yoga : If shani make any relaton with moon, if the degree of shani,> is more than moon, than provide chances to get marry and love with a peron, who> is more rich thn him. Shani gives very bad results in 4th and 8th house.> > > > > > > > > > > > Shani in zodiac signs :> > > > Shani become weak, when he comes in Leo or simha, Aries or Mesha, Scorpio or vrishchik> Signs. Shani become stron when he comes in Libra or Tula, Taurus or Vrishabh,> Cancer or karka, Capricorn or Makara, Aquarius or Kumbha, Pisces or Meena, Saggitarius> or Dhanu. Give average results, when comes in Gemini or mithuna, Virgo or kanya> Signs. Exalted sign is Libra, Falls Sign is Aries, Own Sign are Aquarius and Capricorn.> > > > > If the saturn is good, than it gives a lot of money and happiness to> the person.> Remedies :> Stones : Blue Spahire> > Donation to Poor - balck daal of urad , coal and mustered oil .> > Metal : Lead> > Shani Mantras:> Chanting of the following mantra which has been taken from the 'Purana' pacifies the Saturn.> > > > NILANJANA SAMA BHASAM RAVIPUTRAM YAMA GRAJAM ||> > CHHAAYA MARTANDA SAMBHOOTAM TAM NAMAMI SHANAISHCHARAM ||> > > > Cryptic Mantra:> > OM PRAM PRIM PRAUM SAH SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH ||> > > > General mantra:> > OM SHAM SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH ||> > > > Any of the above given three mantras can be chanted for the pacification of Saturn.> > > > Total numbers of chantings = 23,000 times> > Time for chanting the mantra = Evening.> > Vaishnav Mantra : SHRI GHANSHYAM SHARNAM MAM> > RUDRA ABHISHEKA or HANUMAN ABHISHEKA.> > SHANI POOJA, KEEP Fast of SHani Dev ji on saturday. > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 11:58 PM> > > Dear Ritu ji,> " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house.> > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. "> I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above.> Saturn> Saturn in 8th will give longevity.> Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha)> Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras.> The Sun> Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House.> Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ?> Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs.> regards and best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaskar,> >> > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology.> >> >> > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house.> > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also.> >> > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet.> >> >> > Stationary or regular planets.> > Retro planet> > Combust Planet> > Exalted planet> > Fall planet> >> > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases.> >> > 2nd is aspects or visions :> > 3rd is combination of planets.> >> > than u can make prediction.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote:> >> > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Namesta Ritu g,> > > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years,> > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit> >> >> > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote:> >> >> > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear friends,> >> > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > >> >> > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house> >> > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house.> >> > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also.> >> > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue,> >> > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he> > can waste a lot of money in his life.> >> >> > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life.> >> >> > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart.> >> >> > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults.> >> > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough> > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not,> >> >> > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > RITU> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote:> >> >> > venkatachala pathi pathiav >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Respected Astrologer Friends,> > > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise.> > > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic> > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life..> > > > Regards to all,> > A.V.Pathi, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> >> > > >> > Respected Sreenadh g,> > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit> >> > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:> >> > Sreenadh sreesog >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM> >> > > >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say> > about Rahu in 8th house -> > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH> > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8)> > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> > 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute> > Swache shashti> > varshani va jeevitam> > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient.. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences> > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over?> > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to> > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > > come to> > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life,> > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after> > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani,> > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the> > > common man, He is still> > respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even> > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses.> > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the> > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and> > it> > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give> > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for local information? Find it on Local> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Ritu ji, Thank You for teaching me about Shani. I understood that I have a lot to learn from you, including visions (aspects) of Shani and its nature. regards/Bhaskar. , Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote: > > Bhaskar ji, > > 1st u know the nature of shani. know more about of shani. I always teach my students about the planets. Tell them all about the stories, power and nature of each greh. > > i invest 1.5 months on the planets in a total time of 3 months course. When one get the knowledge about greh, than he can predict very well and fast. > > > one can not make prediction, with a one planet. even a soft planet bhudha gives extremly bad result to native. > > > In shorts - shani means : manda, his speed is slow, give effects 4 sectors at least in kundli, he has 3 visions - 3rd, 7th and 10th. and the house where he lies. > > the gochar effect of shani also give importance. to 1 or 2 sectors, if saade saat saati is there. hat moment shani effects the 5 or 6 houses out of 12 houses. > > than shani dasa, maha dasa - antar dasa - prati anar dasa. > this is the maximum capacity to give result to person. > > 1st check the type of shani, next check his aspects, than u can make any conclusion. > > Now houses in shani : > > give less results to that houss, where shani gives his visions. if his visions are good to that house, give good result to that house, if vision is bad to that house give bad result to that house. > > exampe, exalted shani give good result in 4th house, and falls shani give bad result in 4th house. > > > So this statement is little confusing 4me shani or any planet in houses. One can't predict any thing, that shani or any planet in this house, so this is the result. > > check whole kundli and aspecs of all planets on each other, than make conclusons. > > > U guys take any example, say shani is weak in any house, which u think, suppose u think shani is weak in 5th house, > > but guru is making an aspect on 5th house with shani, shani give good results 4 this house. > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Rahu in 8th House > > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 1:24 AM > > > > > > Dear Rituji, > Though I would love to read the mail, but its too lengthy and seems to be a copy paste with comments put in between. I dont understand such matters easily. Actually am born with a retro and combusted Mercury so the Buddhi works a little delayed, if it works at all. If You could condense this to about 30-40 Lines with some clue to actually what is being said and the why of it, I could be highly obliged and remain grateful to you. > To make it more clear - > Can You take the 12 Zodiac signs one at a time, and mention why Saturn would not prove good in kendras in each of them ?. > regards/Bhaskar. > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Saturn in 8th will give longevity. > > Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) > > Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras. > > > > I know the all panch maha pursha yoga. > > > > Listen carefully, 1st check the type of planet - > > > > > > stationary planet > > Retro planet > > com bust planet > > falls and exalted planets. > > > > > > In above all, shani seems to be gud and powerful in 10th house only. Still get effect the 4th, and 7th house badly. > > > > saturn give gud result in 8th house, if get effected with jupter, > > > > normal results if comes in own sign ie capricorn, aquarius signs > > little less normal or normal - comes in dhanu, vrishabha and meena rashi. > > > > gud if comes in tula rashi. > > > > The type of planet is 1st thing in the kundli. > > > > weak sahni is bad in all kendras as wel as 8th house. > > > > exalted shani in 4th house, provide lot of wealth to person, but person do lot of bad karmas in life, and face always tensions. > > > > falls shani in 4th house - problem in mother & waelth, education break, and all comforts of life, but make person strong, do good karma in life, and get name fame money in his life from his hard worker. one word we can use for it say - KARMATH INSAAN. > > > > if comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign in 4th house or any kendras - no happiness in life. face always probs in life, if have money, still than face probs in life > > > > > > effected 1st house - delay in marriage. tensions, if shani is weak probs in marriage life, less happiness, job probs always, mother's health issue, if mars is there in lagna or effected 7th house, probs of divorce or seprations. > > > > I have less time to write, check below the things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SHANI DOSHA > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Shani Dev is a powerful > > planet or greh in our vedas > > & granthas. Shani is a > > son of the God Surya or Sun. > > His colour is blue. He release > > the blue rays to us. The planets > > saturn looks very pretty from > > all other planets. The God > > Shiv ji ji, gave his blessings > > to Shani Dev. God Gave him > > a responsibility of planet, > > provide a work to give results > > according to all living things > > in this world according to > > their KARMAS. > > > > > > Shani Dev ji, is a prime juduge, > > do the justice with all of > > us, including people, > > lords, animals, plants and > > even God also. Among > > all of his dasa the saade > > saat saati of shani dev ji > > is very dangerous. The retro > > vision of shani dev ji, give > > a bad effect, and is very > > dangerous. > > > > > > SHANI IS A FRIEND NOT A FOE, > > Shani dev ji, give some troubles > > to the person with his visions, > > make him pure again and provide > > all enjoyments to the person > > in his last stage of his dasa, > > according to the karmas. > > > > > > > > I have seen, If person has > > a good shani alone in the > > horoscope, native will get > > lot of money in his life. > > Shani Dev alone can make person > > rich. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology the planet Saturn is called SHANI. In Sanskrit Shani comes from > > Sanischara, which means, slow mover. From Shani we get the word shun , which > > means to ignore, or lose awareness of something. Thus, Saturn represents a loss > > of awareness, or ignorance. This loss of awareness can also mean the diminishing > > awareness of the material world of manifestation. Here Saturn indicates the > > ascetic, rich with inner spirituality, and lost to this material plane of existence. > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is a malefic graha. He rules over the two zodiac signs Capricorn and > > Aquarius. He is exalted in Libra, and fallen in the opposite sign of Aries. > > Saturn is a karaka , or indicator, of longevity, misery, sorrow, old age and > > death, discipline, restriction, responsibility, delays, ambition, leadership > > and authority, humility, integrity, wisdom born of experience. Saturn also indicates > > asceticism, denial, non-attachment, spirituality, hard work, organization, reality > > and time itself. > > > > > > > > Saturn s most powerful place in the chart is in the 7th House and the Kendra > > s. He is a particularly beneficial planet for Taurus and Libra Ascendants.. Saturn > > s nature is Vata, or Airy. His gem is Blue Sapphire and all black stones and > > his metal is Lead. Saturn s direction is west and his day is Saturday. He reaches > > full maturity at age 36. In Vedic myth Saturn is the son of the Sun, born to > > his shadow wife, Chaya. Saturn is lame because one of the Sun s first wife Sanjana > > s children became angered with him and struck him in the foot. Thus Saturn walks > > with a limp, which accounts why he is the slowest of the Grahas. > > > > > > > > The graha SANISCHARA (Saturn), also known as Manda, is generally known to affect > > one adversely on occasions when he occupies certain positions in one s horoscope > > like Saade Sati (7 1/2 years). He is the Lord of Makaram and Kumbam. He is the > > slowest moving planet taking 2 1/2 years in each Rasi, completing one cycle > > every 30 years. A prayer to this Devata, especially on Saturdays, is said to > > mitigate the hardships one will have to face during these periods. Sanischara > > bestows all benefits to the devotees who pray sincerely to him. The legend that > > depict the influence of the worship of SHANI goes as follows, and is narrated > > whenever a worship or offering is made to the deity. > > > > > > > > Aspects, Visions, Dasa & Maha dasa of System : > > > > > > > > Saturn has 3 aspects or visions or drishtis in a horoscopes. He effects the > > 4 houses in horoscopes. His visions are more powerful. Destroy or reduce the > > effect of that house, which house it lies. If person has leo ascendant, so in > > this moment, when ever he has born, what ever dasa he has, or other planet he > > has in his horoscope. This moment, on 15- 6-09, he will facing a trouble in > > his working area, and will be facing a much presure on him, weather he has enough > > money or not. This is the main roleof saturn. If he has saade saat saati of > > shani also this moment, than more bad, if he has bad dasa or main period, than > > more bad, if he has already weak or bad shani in his horoscope than more bad. > > > > > > > > > > Friends of Saturn : : The saturn friends are rahu, ketu, venus. > > Has normal relaion with moon and jupiter. Bad relaion with mars and sun. Give > > trouble to mercury some times. If ones horoscope, saturn is making a combination > > with sun, mercury, rahu, mars, than saturn will give bad result to the nativei. > > Dasa will give bad results to the person, if any good or the dasa of benefic > > planet is going on native, still than, shani will give trouble to the native. > > > > > > > > > > Dasa , Mahadasa, Main Period of Saturn or Shani : > > > > > > > > The main dasa of saturn is for 19 years. The othere dasa is saade saat saati. > > Saade saat saati is more typical for person. Saade saat saati comes on a peron > > must, up to the age of 30 yrs. It comes on every 30 years on one sign. Both > > dasa of saturn or shani is very typical. Shani gives results to person according > > to his Karma. Jupiter is a benefic planet, his dasa is for 16 years. Person > > do enjoy in the period of jupiter. After dasa of jupiter, the dasa or main period > > of Shani or Saturn comes on native. After dasa of saturn , the dasa of mercury > > comes on native. If both dasa of saturn is going on native, than native suffers > > a lot of problems in life. > > > > > > > > The Research on Shani : > > > > > > > > Shani is very good planet. Generlly people say him, a malefic planet, but exactly > > shani is a planet, who tells you about you. Who gives you the situation to check > > your nears and dears. After giving the results, saturn gives big relief to the > > native. Many stories are there for shani. Which tells the power of shani. The > > retro vision or aspect of sahni or saturn is very bad. Saturn do the proper > > justice to every one. We hav seen,if saturn becomes weak or comes in kendra, > > or comes deliberate in 10th or 1st house, or comes with mars or sun or rahu > > or mercury or with all, gives less or negitive or very negiive results. Saturn > > makes person exited, and confuse the decision making power of native. If the > > problem becomes critical, or person get frstuated after doing well and hard > > work from a long time, than strong possibility of the role of a saturn can be > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani in houses or Saturn in houses : > > > > > > Shani gives very good results in 10th, 11th and 6th houses. Shani gives less or > > -ve results in 1st, 4th, 7th houses. Shani give very less results in 8th and 12th > > houses. In fact shani give very less or -ve results in all benefic houses.. Say > > if shani is in 1st house or lagna or 7th house, make person struggler. And gives > > marriage late almost in 30+. Create confusion in mariage life. > > Shani in his dasa gives enjoyment to the native in the begining of dasa, and give > > hard time at the end of his dasa, when comes in 12th house. > > > > Love marriage > > yoga : If shani make any relaton with moon, if the degree of shani, > > is more than moon, than provide chances to get marry and love with a peron, who > > is more rich thn him. Shani gives very bad results in 4th and 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani in zodiac signs : > > > > > > > > Shani become weak, when he comes in Leo or simha, Aries or Mesha, Scorpio or vrishchik > > Signs. Shani become stron when he comes in Libra or Tula, Taurus or Vrishabh, > > Cancer or karka, Capricorn or Makara, Aquarius or Kumbha, Pisces or Meena, Saggitarius > > or Dhanu. Give average results, when comes in Gemini or mithuna, Virgo or kanya > > Signs. Exalted sign is Libra, Falls Sign is Aries, Own Sign are Aquarius and Capricorn. > > > > > > > > > > If the saturn is good, than it gives a lot of money and happiness to > > the person. > > Remedies : > > Stones : Blue Spahire > > > > Donation to Poor - balck daal of urad , coal and mustered oil . > > > > Metal : Lead > > > > Shani Mantras: > > Chanting of the following mantra which has been taken from the 'Purana' pacifies the Saturn. > > > > > > > > NILANJANA SAMA BHASAM RAVIPUTRAM YAMA GRAJAM || > > > > CHHAAYA MARTANDA SAMBHOOTAM TAM NAMAMI SHANAISHCHARAM || > > > > > > > > Cryptic Mantra: > > > > OM PRAM PRIM PRAUM SAH SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH || > > > > > > > > General mantra: > > > > OM SHAM SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH || > > > > > > > > Any of the above given three mantras can be chanted for the pacification of Saturn. > > > > > > > > Total numbers of chantings = 23,000 times > > > > Time for chanting the mantra = Evening. > > > > Vaishnav Mantra : SHRI GHANSHYAM SHARNAM MAM > > > > RUDRA ABHISHEKA or HANUMAN ABHISHEKA. > > > > SHANI POOJA, KEEP Fast of SHani Dev ji on saturday. > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 11:58 PM > > > > > > Dear Ritu ji, > > " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > > > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. " > > I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above. > > Saturn > > Saturn in 8th will give longevity. > > Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) > > Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras. > > The Sun > > Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House. > > Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ? > > Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs. > > regards and best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm..2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology. > > > > > > > > > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > > > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. > > > > > > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet. > > > > > > > > > Stationary or regular planets. > > > Retro planet > > > Combust Planet > > > Exalted planet > > > Fall planet > > > > > > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases. > > > > > > 2nd is aspects or visions : > > > 3rd is combination of planets. > > > > > > than u can make prediction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namesta Ritu g, > > > > > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years, > > > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > > > > > > > > > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house > > > > > > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house. > > > > > > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also. > > > > > > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue, > > > > > > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he > > > can waste a lot of money in his life. > > > > > > > > > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life. > > > > > > > > > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart. > > > > > > > > > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults. > > > > > > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough > > > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not, > > > > > > > > > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RITU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote: > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi pathiav > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Astrologer Friends, > > > > > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise. > > > > > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > > > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic > > > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life. > > > > > > Regards to all, > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say > > > about Rahu in 8th house - > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > Swache shashti > > > varshani va jeevitam > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences > > > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > > > come to > > > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means. > > > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily > > > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > > > common man, He is still > > > respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai > > > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and > > > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even > > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to > > > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in > > > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the > > > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a > > > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses. > > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is > > > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will > > > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope. > > > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and > > > it > > > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give > > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also > > > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is > > > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on > > > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved > > > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local. / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Madam Ritu Malhotra,Thank you for your gracious presence on this list. Since you've become a great Guru of thousands in just five years of learning of this vast subject, you must be an extra ordinary person with extra ordinary acumen. There are no gurus here and I have very little experience and knowledge of astrology. We are trying to learn by sharing our experiences here. Kindly explain the following if you do not mind://shani give extremely bad results in 4th house. only it is possible, if it comes in his exalted sign. or in pisces sign.// We know classical dictums about shani not being good in 4H. What is possible in exalted sign or pisces sign. When shani is in libra in 4H, it is 7/8 lord in 4H and in strength. How and when the goodness if any would come. I know some cases where the domestic lives of these natives are ruined. In tula natives, on the other hand, shani being 4/5 lord in 4H has been excellent. //if in 4th house, shani comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign. native will face lot of problem in life.//What problems? Leo cancer are royal signs and shani, the karak of masses makes a good leader in 4H! //one can get things in his life. u can not say shani has given good things to this person, even in 4th house. //Would it not affect the 4H significations? How will you say what has given 4H significations? //consider his dasa. next jupiter aspects, next lagan, than u can say shani is good for him for him.Can we not have a bad Jupiter aspect on Shani?//I have my own blog, having 1000's of members, i can send u many data, with this shani. I have written own book of nav greh shanti and shani , mangal and rahu.//Please give reference of your blog. Can you show one example of shani shanti. WHy was it done and what were the results? How it was done. We'll be curious to know. //In last email I have sent some matter on shani.. If ur interested in astrology, than consider the data and life of such native who have virgo or gemini ascendant. //There is no dearth of matter available and net being the vast cemetry, on this list we like to take up practical discussions//In gochar shani will come in virgo sign on sep 09 at evening time. the persons who hav gemini ascendant, will face some or more problem in life, //I thought Gochar results are first seen from moon? Anyways, Bhagyesh in 4H, shouldn't he bestow some bhagya? //collect the data of such persons, and study it for next 2.5 yrs. u get the things. //Thanks for suggestions. We have 100s of active members who can support with data. I do not accept this like one of the the channel broadcasts spelling doom for half the humanity with shani in virgo! Thanks and RegardsNeelam2009/8/13 Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 Friend,shani give extremely bad results in 4th house. only it is possible, if it comes in his exalted sign. or in pisces sign. if in 4th house, shani comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign. native will face lot of problem in life. one can get things in his life. u can not say shani has given good things to this person, even in 4th house. consider his dasa. next jupiter aspects, next lagan, than u can say shani is good for him for him. I have my own blog, having 1000's of members, i can send u many data, with this shani. I have written own book of nav greh shanti and shani , mangal and rahu.In last email I have sent some matter on shani.. If ur interested in astrology, than consider the data and life of such native who have virgo or gemini ascendant. In gochar shani will come in virgo sign on sep 09 at evening time. the persons who hav gemini ascendant, will face some or more problem in life, collect the data of such persons, and study it for next 2.5 yrs. u get the things. I can write more, but less time. --- On Wed, 12/8/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 Re: Rahu in 8th House Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 5:00 AM Dear Learned members and Astrologers, Shani has given excellent results in the 4th house for the following native. DOB : 13th July 1943 POB : Khedbrahma, North Gujarat TOB : 11.15pm war time D.. D. Trivedi --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House ancient_indian_ astrology Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 12:28 PM Dear Ritu ji, " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. " I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above. Saturn Saturn in 8th will give longevity. Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras. The Sun Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House. Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ? Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs. regards and best wishes, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm..2005@ ...> wrote: > > Namaskar, > > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology. > > > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. > > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet. > > > Stationary or regular planets. > Retro planet > Combust Planet > Exalted planet > Fall planet > > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases. > > 2nd is aspects or visions : > 3rd is combination of planets. > > than u can make prediction. > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote: > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namesta Ritu g, > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years, > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote: > > > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > > > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house > > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house. > > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also. > > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue, > > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he > can waste a lot of money in his life. > > > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life. > > > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart. > > > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults. > > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not, > > > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house > > > > > > > > > RITU > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote: > > > venkatachala pathi pathiav > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > > > > > Respected Astrologer Friends, > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise. > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life. > > Regards to all, > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > Sreenadh sreesog > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say > about Rahu in 8th house - > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > Swache shashti > varshani va jeevitam > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > come to > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about).. These cases are > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means. > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > common m recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Madam Ritu, You are casting pearls which we are not able to understand! Let us fine tune our wavelength and come in the same mode for proper understanding. If you do not mind, please tell us about your great guru/s.Thank you for providing your VISION and throwing light on many concepts. Hope our members would find them useful.//U guys take any example, say shani is weak in any house, which u think, suppose u think shani is weak in 5th house, but guru is making an aspect on 5th house with shani, shani give good results 4 this house. //Can you please explain the 5H results for this Leo lagna male: 15.11.1960/00.10hrs/Delhi. He has shani in 5H. RegardsNeelam 2009/8/13 Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 Bhaskar ji,1st u know the nature of shani. know more about of shani. I always teach my students about the planets. Tell them all about the stories, power and nature of each greh.i invest 1.5 months on the planets in a total time of 3 months course. When one get the knowledge about greh, than he can predict very well and fast. one can not make prediction, with a one planet. even a soft planet bhudha gives extremly bad result to native.In shorts - shani means : manda, his speed is slow, give effects 4 sectors at least in kundli, he has 3 visions - 3rd, 7th and 10th. and the house where he lies. the gochar effect of shani also give importance. to 1 or 2 sectors, if saade saat saati is there. hat moment shani effects the 5 or 6 houses out of 12 houses. than shani dasa, maha dasa - antar dasa - prati anar dasa. this is the maximum capacity to give result to person.. 1st check the type of shani, next check his aspects, than u can make any conclusion. Now houses in shani : give less results to that houss, where shani gives his visions. if his visions are good to that house, give good result to that house, if vision is bad to that house give bad result to that house. exampe, exalted shani give good result in 4th house, and falls shani give bad result in 4th house.So this statement is little confusing 4me shani or any planet in houses. One can't predict any thing, that shani or any planet in this house, so this is the result. check whole kundli and aspecs of all planets on each other, than make conclusons.U guys take any example, say shani is weak in any house, which u think, suppose u think shani is weak in 5th house, but guru is making an aspect on 5th house with shani, shani give good results 4 this house. --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Rahu in 8th House Date: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 1:24 AM Dear Rituji, Though I would love to read the mail, but its too lengthy and seems to be a copy paste with comments put in between. I dont understand such matters easily. Actually am born with a retro and combusted Mercury so the Buddhi works a little delayed, if it works at all. If You could condense this to about 30-40 Lines with some clue to actually what is being said and the why of it, I could be highly obliged and remain grateful to you. To make it more clear - Can You take the 12 Zodiac signs one at a time, and mention why Saturn would not prove good in kendras in each of them ?. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > Saturn in 8th will give longevity. > Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha)> Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras.> > I know the all panch maha pursha yoga. > > Listen carefully, 1st check the type of planet -> > > stationary planet> Retro planet> com bust planet> falls and exalted planets.> > > In above all, shani seems to be gud and powerful in 10th house only. Still get effect the 4th, and 7th house badly. > > saturn give gud result in 8th house, if get effected with jupter,> > normal results if comes in own sign ie capricorn, aquarius signs> little less normal or normal - comes in dhanu, vrishabha and meena rashi.> > gud if comes in tula rashi. > > The type of planet is 1st thing in the kundli.> > weak sahni is bad in all kendras as wel as 8th house. > > exalted shani in 4th house, provide lot of wealth to person, but person do lot of bad karmas in life, and face always tensions.> > falls shani in 4th house - problem in mother & waelth, education break, and all comforts of life, but make person strong, do good karma in life, and get name fame money in his life from his hard worker. one word we can use for it say - KARMATH INSAAN. > > if comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign in 4th house or any kendras - no happiness in life. face always probs in life, if have money, still than face probs in life> > > effected 1st house - delay in marriage. tensions, if shani is weak probs in marriage life, less happiness, job probs always, mother's health issue, if mars is there in lagna or effected 7th house, probs of divorce or seprations.> > I have less time to write, check below the things > > > > > > > > > > SHANI DOSHA> : > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Shani Dev is a powerful> planet or greh in our vedas> & granthas. Shani is a> son of the God Surya or Sun.> His colour is blue. He release> the blue rays to us. The planets > saturn looks very pretty from> all other planets. The God> Shiv ji ji, gave his blessings> to Shani Dev. God Gave him> a responsibility of planet,> provide a work to give results> according to all living things> in this world according to> their KARMAS.> > > Shani Dev ji, is a prime juduge,> do the justice with all of> us, including people, > lords, animals, plants and> even God also. Among> all of his dasa the saade> saat saati of shani dev ji> is very dangerous. The retro> vision of shani dev ji, give> a bad effect, and is very > dangerous.> > > SHANI IS A FRIEND NOT A FOE,> Shani dev ji, give some troubles> to the person with his visions,> make him pure again and provide> all enjoyments to the person > in his last stage of his dasa,> according to the karmas.> > > > I have seen, If person has> a good shani alone in the> horoscope, native will get> lot of money in his life. > Shani Dev alone can make person> rich.> > > > > > > > Vedic astrology the planet Saturn is called SHANI. In Sanskrit Shani comes from> Sanischara, which means, slow mover. From Shani we get the word shun , which > means to ignore, or lose awareness of something. Thus, Saturn represents a loss> of awareness, or ignorance. This loss of awareness can also mean the diminishing> awareness of the material world of manifestation. Here Saturn indicates the > ascetic, rich with inner spirituality, and lost to this material plane of existence.> > > > > Saturn is a malefic graha. He rules over the two zodiac signs Capricorn and> Aquarius. He is exalted in Libra, and fallen in the opposite sign of Aries.. > Saturn is a karaka , or indicator, of longevity, misery, sorrow, old age and> death, discipline, restriction, responsibility, delays, ambition, leadership> and authority, humility, integrity, wisdom born of experience. Saturn also indicates> asceticism, denial, non-attachment, spirituality, hard work, organization, reality> and time itself. > > > > Saturn s most powerful place in the chart is in the 7th House and the Kendra> s. He is a particularly beneficial planet for Taurus and Libra Ascendants. Saturn> s nature is Vata, or Airy. His gem is Blue Sapphire and all black stones and > his metal is Lead. Saturn s direction is west and his day is Saturday. He reaches> full maturity at age 36. In Vedic myth Saturn is the son of the Sun, born to> his shadow wife, Chaya. Saturn is lame because one of the Sun s first wife Sanjana > s children became angered with him and struck him in the foot. Thus Saturn walks> with a limp, which accounts why he is the slowest of the Grahas.> > > > The graha SANISCHARA (Saturn), also known as Manda, is generally known to affect> one adversely on occasions when he occupies certain positions in one s horoscope> like Saade Sati (7 1/2 years). He is the Lord of Makaram and Kumbam. He is the > slowest moving planet taking 2 1/2 years in each Rasi, completing one cycle> every 30 years. A prayer to this Devata, especially on Saturdays, is said to> mitigate the hardships one will have to face during these periods. Sanischara > bestows all benefits to the devotees who pray sincerely to him. The legend that> depict the influence of the worship of SHANI goes as follows, and is narrated> whenever a worship or offering is made to the deity. > > > > Aspects, Visions, Dasa & Maha dasa of System :> > > > Saturn has 3 aspects or visions or drishtis in a horoscopes. He effects the> 4 houses in horoscopes. His visions are more powerful. Destroy or reduce the> effect of that house, which house it lies. If person has leo ascendant, so in> this moment, when ever he has born, what ever dasa he has, or other planet he > has in his horoscope. This moment, on 15- 6-09, he will facing a trouble in> his working area, and will be facing a much presure on him, weather he has enough> money or not. This is the main roleof saturn. If he has saade saat saati of > shani also this moment, than more bad, if he has bad dasa or main period, than> more bad, if he has already weak or bad shani in his horoscope than more bad.> > > > > Friends of Saturn : : The saturn friends are rahu, ketu, venus. > Has normal relaion with moon and jupiter. Bad relaion with mars and sun. Give> trouble to mercury some times. If ones horoscope, saturn is making a combination> with sun, mercury, rahu, mars, than saturn will give bad result to the nativei.> Dasa will give bad results to the person, if any good or the dasa of benefic> planet is going on native, still than, shani will give trouble to the native. > > > > > Dasa , Mahadasa, Main Period of Saturn or Shani :> > > > The main dasa of saturn is for 19 years. The othere dasa is saade saat saati.> Saade saat saati is more typical for person. Saade saat saati comes on a peron > must, up to the age of 30 yrs. It comes on every 30 years on one sign. Both> dasa of saturn or shani is very typical. Shani gives results to person according> to his Karma. Jupiter is a benefic planet, his dasa is for 16 years. Person > do enjoy in the period of jupiter. After dasa of jupiter, the dasa or main period> of Shani or Saturn comes on native. After dasa of saturn , the dasa of mercury> comes on native. If both dasa of saturn is going on native, than native suffers> a lot of problems in life.> > > > The Research on Shani : > > > > Shani is very good planet. Generlly people say him, a malefic planet, but exactly> shani is a planet, who tells you about you. Who gives you the situation to check> your nears and dears. After giving the results, saturn gives big relief to the > native. Many stories are there for shani. Which tells the power of shani. The> retro vision or aspect of sahni or saturn is very bad. Saturn do the proper> justice to every one. We hav seen,if saturn becomes weak or comes in kendra, > or comes deliberate in 10th or 1st house, or comes with mars or sun or rahu> or mercury or with all, gives less or negitive or very negiive results. Saturn> makes person exited, and confuse the decision making power of native. If the> problem becomes critical, or person get frstuated after doing well and hard> work from a long time, than strong possibility of the role of a saturn can be > there.> > > > > > > > Shani in houses or Saturn in houses :> > > Shani gives very good results in 10th, 11th and 6th houses. Shani gives less or > -ve results in 1st, 4th, 7th houses. Shani give very less results in 8th and 12th> houses. In fact shani give very less or -ve results in all benefic houses. Say> if shani is in 1st house or lagna or 7th house, make person struggler. And gives > marriage late almost in 30+. Create confusion in mariage life.> Shani in his dasa gives enjoyment to the native in the begining of dasa, and give> hard time at the end of his dasa, when comes in 12th house. > > Love marriage> yoga : If shani make any relaton with moon, if the degree of shani,> is more than moon, than provide chances to get marry and love with a peron, who> is more rich thn him. Shani gives very bad results in 4th and 8th house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani in zodiac signs :> > > > Shani become weak, when he comes in Leo or simha, Aries or Mesha, Scorpio or vrishchik > Signs. Shani become stron when he comes in Libra or Tula, Taurus or Vrishabh,> Cancer or karka, Capricorn or Makara, Aquarius or Kumbha, Pisces or Meena, Saggitarius> or Dhanu. Give average results, when comes in Gemini or mithuna, Virgo or kanya > Signs. Exalted sign is Libra, Falls Sign is Aries, Own Sign are Aquarius and Capricorn.> > > > > If the saturn is good, than it gives a lot of money and happiness to> the person.> Remedies :> Stones : Blue Spahire> > Donation to Poor - balck daal of urad , coal and mustered oil .> > Metal : Lead > > Shani Mantras:> Chanting of the following mantra which has been taken from the 'Purana' pacifies the Saturn.> > > > NILANJANA SAMA BHASAM RAVIPUTRAM YAMA GRAJAM || > > CHHAAYA MARTANDA SAMBHOOTAM TAM NAMAMI SHANAISHCHARAM ||> > > > Cryptic Mantra:> > OM PRAM PRIM PRAUM SAH SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH ||> > > > General mantra: > > OM SHAM SHANAISHCHARAYA NAMAH ||> > > > Any of the above given three mantras can be chanted for the pacification of Saturn.> > > > Total numbers of chantings = 23,000 times > > Time for chanting the mantra = Evening.> > Vaishnav Mantra : SHRI GHANSHYAM SHARNAM MAM> > RUDRA ABHISHEKA or HANUMAN ABHISHEKA.> > SHANI POOJA, KEEP Fast of SHani Dev ji on saturday. > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 11:58 PM> > > Dear Ritu ji,> " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house.> > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. " > I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above.> Saturn> Saturn in 8th will give longevity.> Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha)> Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras.> The Sun> Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House.> Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ? > Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs. > regards and best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaskar,> > > > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology.> >> >> > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house.> > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also.> >> > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet.> >> >> > Stationary or regular planets. > > Retro planet> > Combust Planet> > Exalted planet> > Fall planet> >> > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases.> >> > 2nd is aspects or visions : > > 3rd is combination of planets.> >> > than u can make prediction.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote: > >> > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Namesta Ritu g, > > > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years,> > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit > >> >> > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote:> >> >> > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear friends,> >> > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > >> >> > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house> >> > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house. > >> > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also.> >> > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue, > >> > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he> > can waste a lot of money in his life.> >> >> > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life. > >> >> > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart. > >> >> > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults.> >> > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough > > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not,> >> >> > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> > RITU> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote:> > > >> > venkatachala pathi pathiav >> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Respected Astrologer Friends,> > > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise. > > > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic> > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life.. > > > > Regards to all,> > A.V.Pathi, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House> >> > > >> > Respected Sreenadh g,> > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > >> > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote:> >> > Sreenadh sreesog >> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM> >> > > >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say> > about Rahu in 8th house -> > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani -> > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH> > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti> > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH> > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails]> > 2) As per Brigu Sutra -> > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman> > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute> > Swache shashti> > varshani va jeevitam > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23)> > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient.. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)]> > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences > > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over?> > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Neelamji,> > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial> > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the> > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations> > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated> > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without> > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may> > > come to> > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after> > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or> > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry> > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about). These cases are> > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass> > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn> > > wealth through underhand dealings. Amitabh Bacchan, Dhirubhai Ambani, > > > or Dhirendra Bhramachari have all earnt money through rightful means.> > > Though Shri Dhirendra Bhramachari may have been written of derogatorily> > > in a Popular astrologers books, it does not make a difference to the > > > common man, He is still> > respected by people like myself. Dhirubhai> > > Ambani is a man through comapnies of whom, many have eearnt lakhs and> > > married of their daughters and is still today a pivot of the Index even > > > after many years of his death. Amitabh Bacchan theres no need to> > > explain, but astrologically has Chitra constellation on the planet in> > > his 8th again related to the houses of gains which brought him to the> > > state he is today. The 8th if connected with 5th will never get a> > > person money from the Stock market, and instead will bring in losses. > > > Unless this 8th Lord apart from being in 5th in the example given, is> > > connected with either the 2nd, or the 11th or the 6th, the native will> > > not get wealth from the Stock markets. Again bringing us to the > > > conclusions that Wealth giving Yogas have to be there in the horoscope.> > > We have also broken the myth that Rahu is a evil or bad planet , and> > it> > > has been proved conclusively with few example charts that Rahu does give > > > good money,wealth and riches whatever one may call it. We have also> > > broken the myth that the 8th house is always bad or the 8th Lord is> > > always evil. This is what I was aiming at on while spending time on> > > these Groups, to break myths and bring the truths closer to be percieved> > > by one and all. regards, Bhaskar. > >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for local information? Find it on Local> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Ritu ji, With full respects to you and your husband pl note that - Your husband may be a gr8 astrologer, but even the astrologers here on this Forum are gr8 in their own way. You cannot downplay others by Copy-Paste or bragging without substance or making exaggerations on paper. You need to display the greatness of your husband in show of the learning you have inculcated from him, by relating in form of discussions and arguments which contain logic and illustrations about the aforesaid prophesed greatness. None was born here just today morning and sucking milk in his mothers arms. Uptil now only " Bakwaas " has come from you, with no " substance " . Where is the astrology aprt. Just generalisations coming from you ? Just " Teaching " or " attempt to teaching others " without proving yourself as a " Teacher " or even knowing about the astrological levels of the students ??? Please Madam, we are not coming from old pre-historic Jungles. We are all smart, at least I consider myself to be so, in astrology. You just discuss with me alone, and one to one, and lets see what you have learnt from your gr8 husband. I am a very small student in this Jyotish grouio consisiting of greats. If You can surpass me, you can think of then subsequentally trying to teach others. I challenge you to a duel with me on astrological tarka - kutarka. You and your husband and me alone. Are you ready for same ? Bhaskar. , Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote: > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > My husband is an gr8 astrologer, I learn from him. If u have any interest than learn astrology 1st. because the person who is already facing a problem, will come 2u with a gr8 hope. > > > > Check this data - rahu & shani are in kendra - a child is doing battle for his life. > > > > query type : Life Time Analysis > > Tob : 9 - 10 - A.M. hr - mins - secs > > pob : India - new delhi - new delhi country - state > - city > > Dob : 24 - September - 2004 date - month - year > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Rahu in 8th House > > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 11:20 PM > > > > > > Dear Madam Ritu Malhotra, > > Thank you for your gracious presence on this list. Since you've become a great Guru of thousands in just five years of learning of this vast subject, you must be an extra ordinary person with extra ordinary acumen. > > There are no gurus here and I have very little experience and knowledge of astrology. We are trying to learn by sharing our experiences here. > > Kindly explain the following if you do not mind: > > //shani give extremely bad results in 4th house. only it is possible, if it comes in his exalted sign. or in pisces sign.// > > We know classical dictums about shani not being good in 4H. What is possible in exalted sign or pisces sign. When shani is in libra in 4H, it is 7/8 lord in 4H and in strength. How and when the goodness if any would come. I know some cases where the domestic lives of these natives are ruined. In tula natives, on the other hand, shani being 4/5 lord in 4H has been excellent. > > > //if in 4th house, shani comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign. native will face lot of problem in life.// > What problems? Leo cancer are royal signs and shani, the karak of masses makes a good leader in 4H! > > > //one can get things in his life. u can not say shani has given good things to this person, even in 4th house. // > Would it not affect the 4H significations? How will you say what has given 4H significations? > > > //consider his dasa. next jupiter aspects, next lagan, than u can say shani is good for him for him. > Can we not have a bad Jupiter aspect on Shani? > > //I > have my own blog, having 1000's of members, i can send u many data, > with this shani. I have written own book of nav greh shanti and shani , > mangal and rahu.// > Please give reference of your blog. Can you show one example of shani shanti. WHy was it done and what were the results? How it was done. We'll be curious to know. > > > //In last email I have sent some matter on > shani.. If ur interested in astrology, than consider the data and life > of such native who have virgo or gemini ascendant. // > There is no dearth of matter available and net being the vast cemetry, on this list we like to take up practical discussions > > //In gochar shani will come in > virgo sign on sep 09 at evening time. the persons who hav gemini ascendant, will face some or more problem in life, // > I thought Gochar results are first seen from moon? Anyways, Bhagyesh in 4H, shouldn't he bestow some bhagya? > > > //collect the data of such persons, and study it for next 2.5 yrs. u get the things. // > Thanks for suggestions. We have 100s of active members who can support with data. > > > I do not accept this like one of the the channel broadcasts spelling doom for half the humanity with shani in virgo! > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/8/13 Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friend, > > > shani give extremely bad results in 4th house. only it is possible, if it comes in his exalted sign. or in pisces sign. > > if in 4th house, shani comes in leo, cancer, aries, scorpio sign. native will face lot of problem in life. > > > > one can get things in his life. u can not say shani has given good things to this person, even in 4th house. > > > consider his dasa. next jupiter aspects, next lagan, than u can say shani is good for him for him. > > > I have my own blog, having 1000's of members, i can send u many data, with this shani. I have written own book of nav greh shanti and shani , mangal and rahu. > > In last email I have sent some matter on shani.. If ur interested in astrology, than consider the data and life of such native who have virgo or gemini ascendant. > > > In gochar shani will come in > virgo sign on sep 09 at evening time. the persons who hav gemini ascendant, will face some or more problem in life, > > collect the data of such persons, and study it for next 2.5 yrs. u get the things. > > I can write more, but less time. > > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20 > wrote: > > > dushyant trivedi trivedi20 > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 5:00 AM > > > Dear Learned members and Astrologers, > > > > Shani has given excellent results in the 4th house for the following native. > > > > DOB : 13th July 1943 > > POB : Khedbrahma, North Gujarat > > TOB : 11.15pm war time > > > > D.. D. Trivedi > > > > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 12:28 PM > > > > Dear Ritu ji, > > " shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > > > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. " > > I am reluctant and feel at loss of comfort to agree to the above. > > Saturn > > Saturn in 8th will give longevity. > > Saturn in Kendra can also cause Sasa Yoga (Pancha Mahapurusha) > > Saturn can also cause many other good yogas with respect to particular Lagnas by being placed in kendras. > > The Sun > > Sun can give bad results in kendras too as well as the 8th House. > > Now Can you contradict my above statements with your experience of studying a thousand charts ? > > Please note that the above mail is just to initiate some healthy discussions and has got nothing to do with individuals, but only Jyotish. We are here to learn from eah other and so would like to expand my little learning with your inputs. > > > regards and best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm..2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > I do practice of astrology, have seen thousand of kundlis. guide my students in learning astrology. > > > > > > > > > shani give bad results in all kendras, and also in 8th house. > > > Sun gives good results in all kendras and in 8th house also. > > > > > > b4 any conclusion, u must know the things type of planet. > > > > > > > > > Stationary or regular planets. > > > Retro planet > > > Combust Planet > > > Exalted planet > > > Fall planet > > > > > > normal, regular or stationary planets gives good results in all cases. > > > > > > 2nd is aspects or visions : > > > 3rd is combination of planets. > > > > > > than u can make prediction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 5:05 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namesta Ritu g, > > > > > > It was very nice to hear tht u r studying ASTROLOGY from last 5 years, > > > well according to u tht sani gives bad results in 8th house as u should tht sani is karka for 8th house (longetivity) n sun gives good results according to u well sun in 8th house gives lot of health problems n stomach problems n acute acidity seeing 2th house or wit 2th lord, Thanks Mohit > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005@ > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 9:14 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I have studied astrology for last 5 years. > > > > > > > > > Topic : Rahu position in 8th house > > > > > > The position of rahu in 8th house is not supposed to be good. 8th house is a sick house. all malefic and beneficial planets gives bad results, when comes in this house. > > > > > > shani gives extremely bad results in 8th house. surya give good results in this house, protect from illness and other health related issues. but surya should not make any relationship with his enemies, ie shani, rahu, ketu and mangal also. > > > > > > > if rahu is alone in this house, native will face health related issues in his life. if get effected with any malefice planet ie mangal, shani, mercury than give more issue, > > > > > > Exception : Exalted rahu in 8th house is good, protect from illness, bu native will face financial problem, he > > > can waste a lot of money in his life. > > > > > > > > > Falls rahu in 8th house, person will face more helth probs. if dasa of rahu is going on than he will face more health and financial issue in his life. > > > > > > > > > gocahr effect : if in natal chart, rahu is in 8th house, in gochar or current transit of rahu, comes in 8th house, that the duration of 1.5yrs of rahu will give bad results to native from natal or lagan chart. > > > > > > > > > > guru chandal yoga in 8th house : guru and rahu in 8th house give more bad reults. > > > > > > chadara rahu yoga in 8th house : fickle minded, emotional, brain unrest, mentally disturb, think un necessary always, allergy , acidity problems, dull brain. lazy, common cold cough > > > problem, poor decision making, always think what to do or not, > > > > > > > > > so rahu give bad resuls in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RITU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/8/09, venkatachala pathi pathiav > wrote: > > > > > > > > > venkatachala pathi pathiav > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, 11 August, 2009, 1:45 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Astrologer Friends, > > > > > > I have been with great interest studying many contributions from learned friends, and I thought to send in my views. I have many references to list in support of my observations which could lengthen this reply. I would like to be precise. > > > > > > > Generally, occupying 8th house from Lagna or Chandra position for Rahu, it is not a good position. Perhaps, in very few cases to quote, its association with a good planet in that house, in a favourable sign, will give good results in its sub-period in the major period of a favourable planet. I have also found such sub-period to uccur to a native after 42 years, make native financially comfortable, wealthy in his early standards, and also acquire properties or assets - many accredited and related to the favourable Planets influencing the Desa Natha. > > > > Also, if the owner of 8th house occupies the eighth house with Rahu or aspect Rahu, the native falls sick --range and intensity of sickness directly related to those attributed to the aspecting planet and its occupation - during the major or sub periods or transit of Rahu in that house of occupation in 'Gochara' movement. Further, Rahu in 8th house, usually tends to make native face many difficulties from his children, financial crises in family and in native's own health when Rahu has any form of 'sambandha' with the performing Desa, during its influencing periods. Further, such occupation of 8th house Rahu, will induce the native to have high sex urge and may gratify it by having secret liaisons with women/man of ill repute, to have sexually transmitted disease and bring ill-repute for rest of his/her life with sufferings. A mis-placed Rahu, without any 'sambanda' of good relations with benefic > > > > planets in the chart, placed in 8th house from lagna, the native will suffer trouble caused by his enemies, live in desperation, and - in given relations with Desa Natha - there is chance of his getting incarcerated. There could be an effect for this native to have a partner in life through marriage, who would talk ruthlessly all the time, inviting unpleasant married life. > > > > > > > Regards to all, > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:27:24 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sreenadh g, > > > > > > Well i did an example of my Dad who has Rahu in 8th house is live n kicking at the age of 62yrs Well his Birth Details r 19-08-1947 Time is 11.05.00 am Place is Dehradun, Thanks Mohit > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sreenadh sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu in 8th House > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > Interesting! But as usual, since I am more interesting in verifying the results quoted by the sages, I will quote what the classics has to say > > > about Rahu in 8th house - > > > 1) As per Chamatkara Chintamani - > > > NripaiH panditair vandito ninditaH swaiH > > > Sakrid bhagyalabho asakrid bhramsa evaH > > > Dhanam jatakam tam janascha tyajanti > > > Sramagranthikrid randhrago bradhnasatruH > > > (Chamatkara Chintamani 8-8) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house, will cause stomach trouble caused by extra effort... He will loss all his money and people's support (at some point of his life, especially in Rahu dasa). Even though the people in power and scholars will respect him, the people close to him (relatives) will blame him. Even though occasionally luck would follow (and wealth would come), generally unluckiness prevails] > > > > 2) As per Brigu Sutra - > > > Atirogi dwatrimsad varshayushman > > > Subhayute panchaschatvarimsad varshe bhavathipe balayute > > > Swache shashti > > > varshani va jeevitam > > > (Brigusutram Ch.8 Sl 22-23) > > > [if Rahu is in 8th house (and is unaspected by benefics, and 8th lord is weak and if Rahu dasa comes then) the native will become a patient. If so, he might live upto less than 32 years only. But if that Rahu in 8th is placed along with benefics (but unaspected by benefics and 8th lord is weak) then the native may live upto 45 years of age. If Rahu is in 8th house and (placed along with or aspected by benefics as well), 8th lord is strong or exalted as well, then he may live upto 60 years of age (even if the dasa of Rahu comes)] > > > > This is a very interesting and strong observation! If takes much courage to speakout such strong results! What are your actual experiences > > > - can anyone provide real charts with Rahu in 8th house and for whom Rahus dasa is over? > > > Note: As you could see the results for Rahu in8th house is not at all in tune with some of the results given by Bhaskar ji in this group. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > Yes you are right. Riches would mean more than the normal financial > > > > gains of wealth or a meagre monthly salary. While agreeing to the > > > > points presented by your goodself, let me also present the variations > > > > taking the subjects named by you, so as to break the myths associated > > > > with the 8th House. Income from 8th house would only come through to > > > > pass, if the native has Dhan Yogas, is a pre-requsite which goes without > > > > saying. The wealth received from the 8th is not always tainted. It may > > > > come to > > > be received after some sorrowful hapenning in a natives Life, > > > > but not necessarily coming from taint. For example legacy received after > > > > fathers death. For example Gratuity fubd received after termination or > > > > retirement from job/service. For example Insurance money received after > > > > accident or someones death in family. For example Dowry received. (Dowry > > > > is also a unhappy receipt and not to feel happy about).. These cases are > > > > not cases of any tainted wealth received. The Bogus Gurus who amass > > > > wealth, is a case of tainted wealth. The dirty Politician would earn > > > > wealth through underhand dealings. 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