Mangal dosha

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Dear Bohra ji,

 

I am very small person and just started learning astrology few months

back and a fresh student. I am also cunning and use many tactics. I have

unknown intentions and use bad language too.

 

You are a respectable member in many forums and can provide proof too,

which privilege I do not have and can never have.

 

Sir You are a diamond while I am a ordinary road side stone on the

pavement.

 

Now Please leave the stone alone for others like you to push and enjoy.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

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Sunil ji and all members,

 

It is the copy of Mr,Punit mail to me :-

 

Dear Bohra ji,

 

Please see my message #21752 (

/message/21752). I have

clearly mentioned that we are open to all systems for quizes and case

studies. I quote -

 

" For quizzes and case studies, I want to keep forum open for all

thoughts and all systems as long as the used system is clearly marked

in the email. My thought is to get ideas and learning from all

directions and reach to certain success level. Our first priority

should be to hit the bull's eye. "

 

When somebody said that " traditional astrologer should be kept away " ,

it was his/ her personal opinion and was not forum's opinion. As a

moderator, I clearly mentioned the thinking of the forum. I request

you to keep participating and show to all that the vedic astrology

can be used accurately if our application is correct. I myself use

vedic astrology very often and understand that it is very useful for

predictions. I also agree with you on the fact that KP is nothing but

an extension to vedic astrology.

 

I request you again to keep participating.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

> Dear Punit jee,

>

> In my answer of first Quiz, i have clearly mention that I am in

> learning stage for KP system and I have the basic knowledge of only

> vedic Astrology.Fortunately my answer was most near correct among

three.

>

> It was just a exercise but some taking it very personally and

> consistently saying it is KP forum so " Traditional Vedic " astrologer

> keep away or use only KP system.I know very well that it is KP

system

> forum, so for learning this system i am here.

>

> I will not in interest to arise any controversy for you as

> Moderator.So i would like to inform you that I will not participant

in

> next Quiz because i am not able to explain my observation by KP

> system.I will silently learn by others predication by KP system.My

> intention is learning only.

>

> Will it possible without 'Traditional Vedic' knowledge of Astrology

> any one can predict by KP system.In my view KPjee created this new

> dimension of prediction on the base of 'Traditional Vedic

Astrology " .

>

> If i am wrong in, as above,please pardon me.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

>

>

> , " Punit Pandey " <punitp

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > As we know that the answer of current case study will be posted by

> > Sunaparantha ji on 15th. I just want to know who all are

interested in

> > posting the next quiz/ case study for the group? I would like to

> know it in

> > advance so that we can plan it in a systematic way.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

 

 

Now you can judge about Mr.bhaskar's claim about me and his tactics at KP

forum for me.

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62

wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji,

>

> I am here in forum for knowledge gain if I can learn by any

one.Entering the forum is not a born time of any astrologer,similarly he get the

introduction of other astrologer of the forum.Than same rule have to apply for

them also,they also born at the same time.For me Mr.Bhaskar is also six month

old student of astrology.

>

> I have started the threat here about the classic reference about

11th house,where classics says in 11th house every planet give benefice result

and I have seven planets in 11th house.What are the real result which

practically well known to me,so i have posted my birth data.When you dose not

know any one you will not like to disclose your every thing to every one.After

getting some confidence than you open gradual

>

> At so many astrological forum are active,what stuff of

knowledgeable members they have, how you will judge ?If you real master than you

will asked the question whose answers you know very well,out come will tell you

whom to expect some knowledge.I have did the same.

>

> Recent data of night born person was posted for current topic of Mangal

Dosa(Because you asked for the any data) where my(day time born) data is not

having this planetary position than where is need to post the same here with

?Because of Neeam ji post and your confusion i have posted second data to clear

the confusions.On both chart i have not asked any queries but given the

references and details of native when you asked me for that.If Mr.bhaskar

presume so many things than he have some intentions behind all.

>

> You have well defend Mr.Bhaskar because of your old association

with him,indirectly " Apne taraju ki dandi unke hi paksh me mari " .It is well

expected by me at this forum,some other will also active gradually.

>

> For your kind information Mr.Bhaskar have well discussed his

chart with me at this forum,now he will cunningly say it is for others knowledge

or testing the my stuff of knowledge and announce that I have nothing

knowledge.It's all his practise,I am not in a need to get any certificate from

him .See the language of his post.Can you expect a man can use this type of

language who are in the " divine " field and any divine force will help these type

of person ?

>

> At KP astrology forum people are noble with me where Mr.Bhaskar

have tried to create a issue for me but failed.Mr.Punit him self have said me to

participate in blind chart analysis as per my knowledge of traditional

astrology,where i am learner of KP system.As a prof i can paste here his mail's

copy if you or anybody wants to see that.All the seniors of KP forum know me

very well as a respectable member,you can asked any one about me.

>

> Mr.Bhaskar many times said that he is active in politics same

tactics he apply every were but others can judge well him.I have no issue with

him but he try to make a issue whenever he get the opportunity to do.If he will

offence than he will get the answer.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

>

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > dear Bhaskar ji and Bohra ji

> >

> > Bohra ji Posted the data in tread as if it is a Known chart ( which

> > is innocent )

> >

> > but i can say some intention was not direct ,because even he can post

> > his own chart ( directly saying it is mine --sure some ppl r not ready

> > to disclose it but they shud also ready to accept that the predictions (

> > if they expect any ) in such cases goes ashtray ) which has same

> > planetary configarations or both charts for discussion because we r sure

> > that both of them will not hav same marital life exprnce ,same kind of

> > gifts pouring in or same numbr of kids etc ,( even the twins diffr each

> > other in destiny ,even i find one is married and other is bachelor ,even

> > among identical same gender twins ) which wud hav added more flavour to

> > the discussions .

> >

> > Now let me tell some facts .There is big diffrnce when ppl speaks truth

> > ( here i am not saying Bohra ji was telling lies ,Those who realy

> > mastered the subjuct not frm nets and blogs know s the diffrnce ,The

> > truth will guide them to truth ,because when u choose to say some thing

> > which is partial truth ,the astrologer who wanted to help u will not get

> > devine guidance ,The inexprnced once will b muse at himself why he has

> > some blocks in his own judgmnts( it will b felt to him the moment he

> > opens the chart ) where as exprnced astrologer who has his gurus

> > guidance will easily understand this problem .And will say some excuse

> > and get outs of discussions .

> >

> > Again Think abt this scenario --when some astrologer while trying to

> > answer some charts remebrs some thing like some one posted diffrnt time

> > tags with same dates b4 also but cant decide what is it while he

> > trying to answer for some query ,the doubts and suspicions will not

> > allow him to predict correctly

> >

> > We shud accept that within same Lagna frame of 2 hrs ( atleast in all

> > over india generaly ) there may b 10s of dozns of birth s and even in a

> > city may b more than 2 births atleast ,i am not familiar with govmnt

> > records ,but saying frm my own understanding .So pls think b4 posing

> > challenges if some one learned astrology how far we can tell correctly

> > when same charts of real living persons is produced in frnd of u or

> > think abt this some 12 persons are visiting one astrologer with same

> > chart in same day same hr .

> >

> > Now abt bhaskar ji

> >

> > if my memory is correct Bhaskar ji has posted his charts many times in

> > net , bhaskar ji always posted his chart as if his own chart and he

> > declared always it is my chart and was mostly asking ppl to see some

> > results when some one declares their observation as if he is some

> > varhamihira ( means to challenge for a reading with that principle

> > which some one trying to propogate )

> >

> > or on occassions when discussing abt some thing which has no acceptance

> > generaly and the person acts as if he knows every thing

> >

> > i dont remebr any situation ( may b i am wrong as i am less frequent in

> > net forums other than AIA and Jyothish ganga ( recently ) now a days .)

> > he was looking for predictions .Even if there is occassions he asked for

> > a prediction ,it will b direct ( with all past records of him i can say

> > it Boldly ) and what else other astrologer needs ?? is it not even a

> > recognition for him to those whom the query is adressed ??

> >

> > Astrologer s when in distress can ask questions to fellow astrologers

> > And there is no harm in it ,and it is generaly done out of the grps and

> > in personal mails or chats

> >

> > sure ,but with a real intention and we also used to discuss our own

> > charts offline with many ppl ,may b to get an answer or may b to get

> > some confirmations or even may b to discuss some thing which we find in

> > other persons chart and we feels it is nearing and need to warn him tho

> > it need not happen .

> >

> > But in a grp while some discussions going on we nevr posts such requests

> > directly or indirectly

> >

> > (because every real astrologer in net and in grps is already fed

> > up with the numbr of queries daily pouring to his mail box ,even

> > Karthaviraya arjun (a indian mytholigical king who has 2000 hands )

> > cannot do all chart readings for all queries by making charts which is

> > coming to his box ) And some after getting predictions wants chat s

> > then tele call s and it will go on uneding and we hav only 24 hrs

> > available in a day )

> >

> > Main problem is clarifications ,they will b well prepared as they know

> > their charts thoroughly ,and ready well reserched as if they r

> > appearing some PHD ,so u can imagine the plight of astrologer and the

> > time he needs to spent because they will b asking questions based on all

> > 100s ofclassics hora texts available in market and net ,then u need to

> > say why u r seeing this way than parasara ,jaimini ,garga to unlimited

> > numbr of self delcared experts in nets and blogs ,this question will b

> > there for each sentence of u ,u utter as predictions

> >

> > so we r coming to grps for relaxing than again seeing charts and

> > readings ,same time some r also looking for some charts which can giv

> > us some trill so long as the query is honest and direct as no astrologer

> > wanted to giv his brain again some over work .

> >

> > i will conclude with a mail posted to me by my un declared student ( he

> > calls himself as my student tho i used to answer him some doubts when

> > ever i hav free time )

> >

> > i will copy the mail as i cannot post the mail

> >

> >

> >

> > ------\

> > ------i was trying to read the chart posted by bohra ji ----under

> > discussion Mangal dosha----------,This is my readings -------------- but

> > i am sure there is some thing fishy here in post

> >

> >

> > pls see My prashna

> >

> >

> >

> > Natal Chart

> >

> > June 10, 2009

> > Time: 21:55:32

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > Delhi, India

> > --------------------------------

> >

> > i would like to know wat u feel abt it ,------------------------------

> >

> > rgrds ---------------------

> >

> > ( some part of the mail is edited by me to conceal the identity aa there

> > is some other discussion also was in mail )

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Mr. Bohra has written,

> > >

> > > " Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his

> > > chart,as

> > > Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What

> > > is harm

> > > in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his

> > > treatments "

> > >

> > > Let me clear this. Not a single astrologer on the Jyotish groups has

> > > ever made a true prediction to me till date about my chart. I mostly

> > > present my chart alongwith the events which have happened in my Life

> > and

> > > also the astrological reasons for same, just so that all can learn

> > from

> > > my sharing. It is rarely that I may have presented my chart for

> > > predictions, because I do not even believe my own Teachers for

> > > predictions, but Just GOD and myself. I know for sure that there are

> > > only 3-4 astrologers in India, who can be termed as very Good, and

> > they

> > > are certainly not on these Groups.

> > >

> > > This foolish man is now equating me with his own submissions of his

> > > chart, which is unacceptable.

> > >

> > > The best astrologers can be found only on KP Groups and there also

> > they

> > > have been explained and taught by me how to predict for the Nodes, and

> > > this guy is talking that I need predictions by presenting my chart ?

> > >

> > > Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with

> > a

> > > empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people

> > > who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the

> > > hungry ?

> > >

> > > What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to

> > > such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around

> > > with their own charts ???

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " msbohra62 "

> > > msbohra62@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human

> > > nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a

> > > astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer

> > > his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical

> > > application of astrological rules.

> > > >

> > > > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of

> > > any rule ?How we will learn the real application.

> > > >

> > > > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination

> > in

> > > " Janam " chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture

> > > can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given

> > > the data.

> > > >

> > > > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his

> > > chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i

> > > know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other

> > > Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free

> > > predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your

> > > predictions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohra Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs

> > > > >

> > > > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than

> > > > > directed to u )

> > > > >

> > > > > u said

> > > > > ####

> > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > ###############

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here

> > ,Even

> > > we r

> > > > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some

> > > predictions

> > > > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i

> > assume

> > > it

> > > > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which

> > can

> > > > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for

> > > discuss

> > > > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which

> > > > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology

> > > > >

> > > > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may

> > not

> > > b

> > > > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness

> > > and a

> > > > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or

> > > doesnot

> > > > > know .

> > > > >

> > > > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and

> > > declare

> > > > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken

> > with

> > > > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to

> > > create

> > > > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss

> > > > > astrology .

> > > > >

> > > > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every

> > > one

> > > > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare

> > > final

> > > > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the

> > > reason

> > > > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the

> > > rishi

> > > > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and

> > > understand it

> > > > >

> > > > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction

> > > > >

> > > > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart

> > > with

> > > > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha

> > ,and

> > > see

> > > > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan

> > > and

> > > > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in

> > net

> > > ???

> > > > >

> > > > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation

> > and

> > > > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who

> > > > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the

> > lagna

> > > > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us

> > questions

> > > )

> > > > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing

> > his

> > > > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after

> > > all

> > > > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for

> > > astrology

> > > > > [] )

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who

> > > ever

> > > > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried

> > that

> > > > > they dont get any predictions .

> > > > >

> > > > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of

> > other

> > > > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of

> > whole

> > > > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums

> > > > > independently .

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal

> > > basic

> > > > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi

> > > )raja

> > > > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here

> > > > >

> > > > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in

> > > classics

> > > > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in

> > > lagna

> > > > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film

> > industry

> > > and

> > > > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure

> > > this

> > > > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers

> > > > >

> > > > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " msbohra62 "

> > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line

> > of

> > > > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have

> > > Pisces

> > > > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house

> > and

> > > rahu

> > > > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962

> > > > > > TOB : 10:15 AM

> > > > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is

> > well

> > > > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not

> > > good

> > > > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in

> > > the

> > > > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver

> > " A "

> > > > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and

> > > sister

> > > > > they have some hard time on money matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to

> > > earn

> > > > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle

> > > class

> > > > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He

> > > is

> > > > > happy with their family and wife.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in

> > > nature

> > > > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his

> > > wife

> > > > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn

> > > combination is

> > > > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa

> > > materalised

> > > > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year

> > > married

> > > > > life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final

> > > > > conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mr. Bohra,

 

Cant understand this posting. Can you be a little more specific in

language and what you wish to convey?

 

Do not feel shy, please talk clearly whatever you wish to.

 

At the moment I am very calm and waiting for the adrelaine to rise which

is why I have asked you to talk loud and clear.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Mr.Bhaskar,

>

> Your last two post are self explanatory about you self and you have

stated ,

>

> //Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around

with a

> empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people

> who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the

> hungry ?

>

> What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to

> such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around

> with their own charts ???//

>

> You are at the same position as you have stated in as above ,for me

you are the same old as i old to you.You have asked many times to the

members for your paid service not by me once,than who are with empty

tiffin box ?

>

> M.S.bohra

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Dear Bohraji,///He is not as like "Joru ka Gulam" at all.He is dominating in nature and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally.///Thankyou for your valuable feedback. This person is aggressive due to 6th house position of moon but very polite due to Meena Rashi.Good learning horoscope :)Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji,> > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of forum but i will reply as soon as possible.> > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as :> > DOB : 7.02.1962> TOB : 10:15 AM> POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00> > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji,> > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver "A" class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister they have some hard time on money matter.> > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is happy with their family and wife.> > Vijay Goyal ji,> > He is not as like "Joru ka Gulam" at all.He is dominating in nature and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally.> > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married life.> > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final conclusion.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra>

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Dear Bohra ji I am memebr of KP forums since Long time Tho i visit less ,This is the messge u mentions

Re: Solutuin to Quiz Charts

 

Dear Ramani ji & Friends,Based

on the request of Ramani ji, I want to request all participants of the

current quiz/ case study that try to stick to KP System as much as

possible. In case you are mixing various systems for predictions,

please point it out clearly in the email to avoid any confusion to the

students of the KP System. For quizzes and case studies, I want to keep forum open for all

thoughts and all systems as long as the used system is clearly marked

in the email. My thought is to get ideas and learning from all

directions and reach to certain success level. Our first priority

should be to hit the bull's eye. We can revisit this point after a

certain period of time. I would also like to listen what other members

think about it. Regarding the second point, I think it is very difficult to hold

messages till the date of the result. Though we will try different

approaches with different case studies and conclude what works best for

us. In the coming case studies, we can experiment with holding messages

and see the outcome. As I am writing this email as moderator, I would also like to

request all members to improve participation. This is a good way of

assessing and improving our learning. Thanks & Regards,

Punit PandeyModerator/message/21752Now back to discussion pls keep away all grp politics within grp ,let us mov ahead ,and forget and forgicvthis is my request to u and bhaskar ji both ,NO body can proov any thing in net and no use in fighting over unwanted things and who does what Here the take is simple ,we were discussing some thing ,the need for direct approach in discussion is a must ,as None of us are super rishies we r still learning and never it will end ,and No dictum is absolute ,that is why we keep on discussing and always there is some thing new to find out and discuss too ==================================================Now one query to all of the members in grp do any one try to predict the births during the same time frame of a week of ur birth i mean during the days when all planets in one rasi say 5 feb 1962 early monring 6.05 AM delhi i request all to use Ashta varga of this chart and try to predict the chart based on it .i think there is ashta varga astrologers in this grp rgrds sunil nair ps --i will re post it again for grp or may not b noticed as grp is not interested in fights , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Sunil ji and all members,> > It is the copy of Mr,Punit mail to me :-> > Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my message #21752 (> /message/21752). I have> clearly mentioned that we are open to all systems for quizes and case> studies. I quote -> > "For quizzes and case studies, I want to keep forum open for all> thoughts and all systems as long as the used system is clearly marked> in the email. My thought is to get ideas and learning from all> directions and reach to certain success level. Our first priority> should be to hit the bull's eye."> > When somebody said that "traditional astrologer should be kept away",> it was his/ her personal opinion and was not forum's opinion. As a> moderator, I clearly mentioned the thinking of the forum. I request> you to keep participating and show to all that the vedic astrology> can be used accurately if our application is correct. I myself use> vedic astrology very often and understand that it is very useful for> predictions. I also agree with you on the fact that KP is nothing but> an extension to vedic astrology.> > I request you again to keep participating.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > Dear Punit jee,> >> > In my answer of first Quiz, i have clearly mention that I am in> > learning stage for KP system and I have the basic knowledge of only> > vedic Astrology.Fortunately my answer was most near correct among> three.> >> > It was just a exercise but some taking it very personally and> > consistently saying it is KP forum so "Traditional Vedic" astrologer> > keep away or use only KP system.I know very well that it is KP> system> > forum, so for learning this system i am here.> >> > I will not in interest to arise any controversy for you as> > Moderator.So i would like to inform you that I will not participant> in> > next Quiz because i am not able to explain my observation by KP> > system.I will silently learn by others predication by KP system.My> > intention is learning only.> >> > Will it possible without 'Traditional Vedic' knowledge of Astrology> > any one can predict by KP system.In my view KPjee created this new> > dimension of prediction on the base of 'Traditional Vedic> Astrology".> >> > If i am wrong in, as above,please pardon me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> >> >> > , "Punit Pandey" punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > As we know that the answer of current case study will be posted by> > > Sunaparantha ji on 15th. I just want to know who all are> interested in> > > posting the next quiz/ case study for the group? I would like to> > know it in> > > advance so that we can plan it in a systematic way.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > Now you can judge about Mr.bhaskar's claim about me and his tactics at KP forum for me.> > M.S.Bohra> > > > , "msbohra62" msbohra62@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > I am here in forum for knowledge gain if I can learn by any one.Entering the forum is not a born time of any astrologer,similarly he get the introduction of other astrologer of the forum.Than same rule have to apply for them also,they also born at the same time.For me Mr.Bhaskar is also six month old student of astrology.> > > > I have started the threat here about the classic reference about 11th house,where classics says in 11th house every planet give benefice result and I have seven planets in 11th house.What are the real result which practically well known to me,so i have posted my birth data.When you dose not know any one you will not like to disclose your every thing to every one.After getting some confidence than you open gradual> > > > At so many astrological forum are active,what stuff of knowledgeable members they have, how you will judge ?If you real master than you will asked the question whose answers you know very well,out come will tell you whom to expect some knowledge.I have did the same.> > > > Recent data of night born person was posted for current topic of Mangal Dosa(Because you asked for the any data) where my(day time born) data is not having this planetary position than where is need to post the same here with ?Because of Neeam ji post and your confusion i have posted second data to clear the confusions.On both chart i have not asked any queries but given the references and details of native when you asked me for that.If Mr.bhaskar presume so many things than he have some intentions behind all.> > > > You have well defend Mr.Bhaskar because of your old association with him,indirectly "Apne taraju ki dandi unke hi paksh me mari ".It is well expected by me at this forum,some other will also active gradually.> > > > For your kind information Mr.Bhaskar have well discussed his chart with me at this forum,now he will cunningly say it is for others knowledge or testing the my stuff of knowledge and announce that I have nothing knowledge.It's all his practise,I am not in a need to get any certificate from him .See the language of his post.Can you expect a man can use this type of language who are in the "divine" field and any divine force will help these type of person ?> > > > At KP astrology forum people are noble with me where Mr.Bhaskar have tried to create a issue for me but failed.Mr.Punit him self have said me to participate in blind chart analysis as per my knowledge of traditional astrology,where i am learner of KP system.As a prof i can paste here his mail's copy if you or anybody wants to see that.All the seniors of KP forum know me very well as a respectable member,you can asked any one about me. > > > > Mr.Bhaskar many times said that he is active in politics same tactics he apply every were but others can judge well him.I have no issue with him but he try to make a issue whenever he get the opportunity to do.If he will offence than he will get the answer.> > > > Thanks,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > dear Bhaskar ji and Bohra ji> > > > > > Bohra ji Posted the data in tread as if it is a Known chart ( which> > > is innocent )> > > > > > but i can say some intention was not direct ,because even he can post> > > his own chart ( directly saying it is mine --sure some ppl r not ready> > > to disclose it but they shud also ready to accept that the predictions (> > > if they expect any ) in such cases goes ashtray ) which has same> > > planetary configarations or both charts for discussion because we r sure> > > that both of them will not hav same marital life exprnce ,same kind of> > > gifts pouring in or same numbr of kids etc ,( even the twins diffr each> > > other in destiny ,even i find one is married and other is bachelor ,even> > > among identical same gender twins ) which wud hav added more flavour to> > > the discussions .> > > > > > Now let me tell some facts .There is big diffrnce when ppl speaks truth> > > ( here i am not saying Bohra ji was telling lies ,Those who realy> > > mastered the subjuct not frm nets and blogs know s the diffrnce ,The> > > truth will guide them to truth ,because when u choose to say some thing> > > which is partial truth ,the astrologer who wanted to help u will not get> > > devine guidance ,The inexprnced once will b muse at himself why he has> > > some blocks in his own judgmnts( it will b felt to him the moment he> > > opens the chart ) where as exprnced astrologer who has his gurus> > > guidance will easily understand this problem .And will say some excuse> > > and get outs of discussions .> > > > > > Again Think abt this scenario --when some astrologer while trying to> > > answer some charts remebrs some thing like some one posted diffrnt time> > > tags with same dates b4 also but cant decide what is it while he> > > trying to answer for some query ,the doubts and suspicions will not> > > allow him to predict correctly> > > > > > We shud accept that within same Lagna frame of 2 hrs ( atleast in all> > > over india generaly ) there may b 10s of dozns of birth s and even in a> > > city may b more than 2 births atleast ,i am not familiar with govmnt> > > records ,but saying frm my own understanding .So pls think b4 posing> > > challenges if some one learned astrology how far we can tell correctly> > > when same charts of real living persons is produced in frnd of u or> > > think abt this some 12 persons are visiting one astrologer with same> > > chart in same day same hr .> > > > > > Now abt bhaskar ji> > > > > > if my memory is correct Bhaskar ji has posted his charts many times in> > > net , bhaskar ji always posted his chart as if his own chart and he> > > declared always it is my chart and was mostly asking ppl to see some> > > results when some one declares their observation as if he is some> > > varhamihira ( means to challenge for a reading with that principle> > > which some one trying to propogate )> > > > > > or on occassions when discussing abt some thing which has no acceptance> > > generaly and the person acts as if he knows every thing> > > > > > i dont remebr any situation ( may b i am wrong as i am less frequent in> > > net forums other than AIA and Jyothish ganga ( recently ) now a days .)> > > he was looking for predictions .Even if there is occassions he asked for> > > a prediction ,it will b direct ( with all past records of him i can say> > > it Boldly ) and what else other astrologer needs ?? is it not even a> > > recognition for him to those whom the query is adressed ??> > > > > > Astrologer s when in distress can ask questions to fellow astrologers> > > And there is no harm in it ,and it is generaly done out of the grps and> > > in personal mails or chats> > > > > > sure ,but with a real intention and we also used to discuss our own> > > charts offline with many ppl ,may b to get an answer or may b to get> > > some confirmations or even may b to discuss some thing which we find in> > > other persons chart and we feels it is nearing and need to warn him tho> > > it need not happen .> > > > > > But in a grp while some discussions going on we nevr posts such requests> > > directly or indirectly> > > > > > (because every real astrologer in net and in grps is already fed> > > up with the numbr of queries daily pouring to his mail box ,even> > > Karthaviraya arjun (a indian mytholigical king who has 2000 hands )> > > cannot do all chart readings for all queries by making charts which is > > > coming to his box ) And some after getting predictions wants chat s> > > then tele call s and it will go on uneding and we hav only 24 hrs> > > available in a day )> > > > > > Main problem is clarifications ,they will b well prepared as they know> > > their charts thoroughly ,and ready well reserched as if they r> > > appearing some PHD ,so u can imagine the plight of astrologer and the> > > time he needs to spent because they will b asking questions based on all> > > 100s ofclassics hora texts available in market and net ,then u need to> > > say why u r seeing this way than parasara ,jaimini ,garga to unlimited> > > numbr of self delcared experts in nets and blogs ,this question will b> > > there for each sentence of u ,u utter as predictions> > > > > > so we r coming to grps for relaxing than again seeing charts and> > > readings ,same time some r also looking for some charts which can giv> > > us some trill so long as the query is honest and direct as no astrologer> > > wanted to giv his brain again some over work .> > > > > > i will conclude with a mail posted to me by my un declared student ( he> > > calls himself as my student tho i used to answer him some doubts when> > > ever i hav free time )> > > > > > i will copy the mail as i cannot post the mail> > > > > > > > > > > > ------\> > > ------i was trying to read the chart posted by bohra ji ----under> > > discussion Mangal dosha----------,This is my readings -------------- but> > > i am sure there is some thing fishy here in post> > > > > > > > > pls see My prashna> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > June 10, 2009> > > Time: 21:55:32> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > Delhi, India> > > --------------------------------> > > > > > i would like to know wat u feel abt it ,------------------------------> > > > > > rgrds ---------------------> > > > > > ( some part of the mail is edited by me to conceal the identity aa there> > > is some other discussion also was in mail )> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Bhaskar"> > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear all,> > > >> > > > Mr. Bohra has written,> > > >> > > > " Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his> > > > chart,as> > > > Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What> > > > is harm> > > > in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his> > > > treatments "> > > >> > > > Let me clear this. Not a single astrologer on the Jyotish groups has> > > > ever made a true prediction to me till date about my chart. I mostly> > > > present my chart alongwith the events which have happened in my Life> > > and> > > > also the astrological reasons for same, just so that all can learn> > > from> > > > my sharing. It is rarely that I may have presented my chart for> > > > predictions, because I do not even believe my own Teachers for> > > > predictions, but Just GOD and myself. I know for sure that there are> > > > only 3-4 astrologers in India, who can be termed as very Good, and> > > they> > > > are certainly not on these Groups.> > > >> > > > This foolish man is now equating me with his own submissions of his> > > > chart, which is unacceptable.> > > >> > > > The best astrologers can be found only on KP Groups and there also> > > they> > > > have been explained and taught by me how to predict for the Nodes, and> > > > this guy is talking that I need predictions by presenting my chart ?> > > >> > > > Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with> > > a> > > > empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people> > > > who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the> > > > hungry ?> > > >> > > > What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to> > > > such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around> > > > with their own charts ???> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "msbohra62"> > > > msbohra62@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > >> > > > > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human> > > > nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a> > > > astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer> > > > his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical> > > > application of astrological rules.> > > > >> > > > > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of> > > > any rule ?How we will learn the real application.> > > > >> > > > > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination> > > in> > > > "Janam" chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture> > > > can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given> > > > the data.> > > > >> > > > > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his> > > > chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i> > > > know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other> > > > Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free> > > > predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your> > > > predictions.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs> > > > > >> > > > > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than> > > > > > directed to u )> > > > > >> > > > > > u said> > > > > > ####> > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final> > > > > > conclusion.> > > > > >> > > > > > ###############> > > > > >> > > > > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here> > > ,Even> > > > we r> > > > > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some> > > > predictions> > > > > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i> > > assume> > > > it> > > > > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which> > > can> > > > > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for> > > > discuss> > > > > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which> > > > > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology> > > > > >> > > > > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may> > > not> > > > b> > > > > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness> > > > and a> > > > > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or> > > > doesnot> > > > > > know .> > > > > >> > > > > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and> > > > declare> > > > > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken> > > with> > > > > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to> > > > create> > > > > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss> > > > > > astrology .> > > > > >> > > > > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every> > > > one> > > > > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare> > > > final> > > > > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the> > > > reason> > > > > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the> > > > rishi> > > > > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and> > > > understand it> > > > > >> > > > > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction> > > > > >> > > > > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart> > > > with> > > > > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha> > > ,and> > > > see> > > > > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan> > > > and> > > > > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in> > > net> > > > ???> > > > > >> > > > > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation> > > and> > > > > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who> > > > > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the> > > lagna> > > > > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us> > > questions> > > > )> > > > > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing> > > his> > > > > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after> > > > all> > > > > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for> > > > astrology> > > > > > [] )> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who> > > > ever> > > > > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried> > > that> > > > > > they dont get any predictions .> > > > > >> > > > > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of> > > other> > > > > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of> > > whole> > > > > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums> > > > > > independently .> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal> > > > basic> > > > > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi> > > > )raja> > > > > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here> > > > > >> > > > > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in> > > > classics> > > > > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in> > > > lagna> > > > > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film> > > industry> > > > and> > > > > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure> > > > this> > > > > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers> > > > > >> > > > > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "msbohra62"> > > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line> > > of> > > > > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have> > > > Pisces> > > > > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house> > > and> > > > rahu> > > > > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962> > > > > > > TOB : 10:15 AM> > > > > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is> > > well> > > > > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not> > > > good> > > > > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in> > > > the> > > > > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver> > > "A"> > > > > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and> > > > sister> > > > > > they have some hard time on money matter.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to> > > > earn> > > > > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle> > > > class> > > > > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He> > > > is> > > > > > happy with their family and wife.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He is not as like "Joru ka Gulam" at all.He is dominating in> > > > nature> > > > > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his> > > > wife> > > > > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn> > > > combination is> > > > > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa> > > > materalised> > > > > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year> > > > married> > > > > > life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final> > > > > > conclusion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear ones,

I am posting a chart of a female here who got saturn with mars in 7th house.The lady is personally known to me for years since my child hood.They are happy with grand children as well and also rich.

D.O.B.....13-11-1947

T.O.B.....12HRS,17mts.

P.O.B.......GUNTUR(ANDHRAPRADESH)

regards,

gopi. , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Dear Grp> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before> also, and today got reference> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in any> of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha ends."> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??> > > rgrds sunil nair>

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Dear Gopu ji,It is believed that a weak or combust Mars does not cause mangal dosha. In this chart Mars is debilitated and on gandanth. It is closely conjunct lagna lord Saturn, who incidentally, also wins in the planetary war. Thus it has lost all power to cause dosha.

Some references exist in Naradeeyam and DK regarding this:Chatusaptamge Bhaume Mesh Karkyaali NakrageYada Rashau Shubham Proktam Kujdosho na Vidyate

If mars is in fourth or seventh house in Aries, Cancer, Scorpio or Capricorn, them Mangal dosha is not present, it is said to be auspicious.Arkendu kshetra jatana kuja dosho na vidyateSwochha Mitramjatanam tat dosham na bhavetkil

When Mars is in the sign of Sun, Moon, own signs and exaltation sign, there is no Mangal dosha.Saptame Bhaum doshastu Nakra karkatyorvinaIf mars is in Cancer in seventh, there is no Mangal doshRegarding the happy life, grand children and riches, it is not an isolated factor like Mangal dosh that can make or mar a chart. We must adopt a holistic approach to judge the merits and demerits of chart. Dr. Raman calls it Mangalya Dosha, and suggests the use of entire chart for matching, not just Mangal. However, judgement of Mangal Dosh, if we must call it so, is generally personalised based on the experience and learning of the astrologer.

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Gopi,

Many scholars are of the view that for an evil Manglik to fulfil as a

*prediction*, the native has to undergo the Mars Mahadasa in his/hers life.

In this case, Mars MD starts from the year 2028--so Manglik dosa results to

fulfil in this age & some astrologer proving it--certainly is an absurd

discussion.

BTW, Malefics like Ra/Sa if be with Mars in those houses, which are resulting in

Manglik, strengthens the Kuja Dosha, instead of nullifying it.

In this horoscope, two are almost together, while Mars wins in Graha Yuddha.

I would appreciate senior members' view on this.

Thank you,

Gaurav.

 

, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927

wrote:

>

>

> Dear ones,

>

> I am posting a chart of a female here who got saturn with mars in 7th

> house.The lady is personally known to me for years since my child

> hood.They are happy with grand children as well and also rich.

>

> D.O.B.....13-11-1947

>

> T.O.B.....12HRS,17mts.

>

> P.O.B.......GUNTUR(ANDHRAPRADESH)

>

> regards,

>

> gopi.

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Grp

> >

> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before

> > also, and today got reference

> >

> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in

> any

> > of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha

> ends. "

> >

> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

> >

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

>

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Gopi,

Further, presence of Mars in these signs dont result in Kuja Dosha.

1)Aries,

2)Cancer,

3)Leo,

4)Saggittarius

5)Makar

6)Meen

 

If Mars is a YK for a lagna, & is in anyone of those houses, it will nullify

automatically.

Thank you,

Gaurav.

>

> , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@>

wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear ones,

> >

> > I am posting a chart of a female here who got saturn with mars in 7th

> > house.The lady is personally known to me for years since my child

> > hood.They are happy with grand children as well and also rich.

> >

> > D.O.B.....13-11-1947

> >

> > T.O.B.....12HRS,17mts.

> >

> > P.O.B.......GUNTUR(ANDHRAPRADESH)

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > gopi.

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Grp

> > >

> > > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before

> > > also, and today got reference

> > >

> > > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in

> > any

> > > of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha

> > ends. "

> > >

> > > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

> > >

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am sorry Gopi ji, for the typo in your name. 2009/6/17 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Dear Gopu ji,It is believed that a weak or combust Mars does not cause mangal dosha. In this chart Mars is debilitated and on gandanth. It is closely conjunct lagna lord Saturn, who incidentally, also wins in the planetary war. Thus it has lost all power to cause dosha.

Some references exist in Naradeeyam and DK regarding this:Chatusaptamge Bhaume Mesh Karkyaali NakrageYada Rashau Shubham Proktam Kujdosho na Vidyate

If mars is in fourth or seventh house in Aries, Cancer, Scorpio or Capricorn, them Mangal dosha is not present, it is said to be auspicious.Arkendu kshetra jatana kuja dosho na vidyateSwochha Mitramjatanam tat dosham na bhavetkil

When Mars is in the sign of Sun, Moon, own signs and exaltation sign, there is no Mangal dosha.Saptame Bhaum doshastu Nakra karkatyorvinaIf mars is in Cancer in seventh, there is no Mangal dosh

Regarding the happy life, grand children and riches, it is not an isolated factor like Mangal dosh that can make or mar a chart. We must adopt a holistic approach to judge the merits and demerits of chart. Dr. Raman calls it Mangalya Dosha, and suggests the use of entire chart for matching, not just Mangal. However, judgement of Mangal Dosh, if we must call it so, is generally personalised based on the experience and learning of the astrologer.

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

As per Jataka Naradeeyam and DK dictums, there is no Mangal dosha:In a female chart, if Mars is in the 2nd and 7th houses and in a male chart in the 4th and 8th housesIf 2nd house has mars in Gemini or Virgo

4th house has mars in Aries or Scorpio7th house has mars in Makara or Cancer8th house with mars is Sagittarius or  PiscesMars is placed in Aquarius or LeoCancer and Leo lagna natives have no Mars dosha (mars being YK)

Mars is in conjunction with Jupiter, Moon (waxing phase), or if it receives the aspect or conjunction of Mercury.Mars is in conjunction with Saturn or R/K.Dispositor of Mars is in kendras or trines

However, one cannot blindly follow any rule and a careful assessment of Mars or any malefic influence for that matter is important.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam Ji,

 

Just like you have indicated, instead of memorizing these dictums we would do much better to analyze "the why" behind the dictums. If we carefully analyze it we will find that none of them are 100% true. For example:

 

Cancer lagna has no "mangal dosha". Why? Because the person who wrote this dictum is a "lordship first" astrologer and not a "planet first" astrologer. What I mean is he/she puts lordship before the "natural nature" of the planet. So the assumption here is that since Mars is the ruler of 5th house and 10th house, he cannot cause "mangal dosha".

 

So what happened to Jyotish 101, where we have to combine both the nature and ownership of planet. If Mars for a Cancer lagna person is in the 8th house, you can bet that there will be conflicts with the spouses close family members (Yogakarak or not). If there is an additional protection of a Jupiter's aspect then may be such conflicts do not escalate into outright fights. If the 7th house and lord and Jupiter are strong (now I am assuming this is a female chart) then while occasional conflicts exist, it may not end in separation.

 

But if the same chart has debilitated Jupiter in 7th, Mars aspected by 8th lord Saturn from Aries (Mars own house) and other afflictions, then a separation might be guaranteed if Dasha sequence is appropriate..

 

So can we blame this on JUST the Mangal Dosha? No. Similarly just by looking a successful marriages of people WITH Mangal Dosha does nothing to prove or disprove any of these dictums.

 

Like you said, one should look at the whole chart.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:38:16 AMRe: Re: Mangal dosha

 

As per Jataka Naradeeyam and DK dictums, there is no Mangal dosha:

 

In a female chart, if Mars is in the 2nd and 7th houses and in a male chart in the 4th and 8th houses

If 2nd house has mars in Gemini or Virgo

4th house has mars in Aries or Scorpio

7th house has mars in Makara or Cancer

8th house with mars is Sagittarius or Pisces

Mars is placed in Aquarius or Leo

Cancer and Leo lagna natives have no Mars dosha (mars being YK)

Mars is in conjunction with Jupiter, Moon (waxing phase), or if it receives the aspect or conjunction of Mercury.

Mars is in conjunction with Saturn or R/K.

Dispositor of Mars is in kendras or trinesHowever, one cannot blindly follow any rule and a careful assessment of Mars or any malefic influence for that matter is important.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Gopi ji Thanks for posting an ideal ( i can say so tho not fully here ) chart which has sat +mars combo in 7th H .But tho technicaly it is applying the tread ,the sat is already lagna lord here and mars in debilated and in watery signs ( even it says its the rasi of milky skyway or akasha ganga )or rasi of mother godess where sani or mars cannot play its venom in majority of cases .even our exprnce also says so tho malefic planets will affect the quality of rasi under discussion ( here 7th H ) but not the real life .Otherwise also angakaraka-another name for mars ( fire ) in water sign is not that dangerous and cannot call it is mangal dosha according to some savants again there is another sections says mars already got neecha bhanga as the Lord of sign is moon and moon can never b in kendra to moon himself as it is one of the cancellation of neecha pointer -the Lord or exaltation lord of neecha is in kendra to moon or lagna again sani ,again the planet which can b ucha is jup and again he is frm kendra to moon ,so u can see nechabhanga has cancelled in so many ways even for sun who is neecha in chart . ( again mars ,sat and venus can neecha banaga for sun too in kendra to moon or lagna ) so many ways the neechatwa may not b working and even neecha mars is not neecha and cancelled its neechatwa according various source s (again i request gopi ji to giv us some more feed backs abt the growing up period since childhood and richness those days . )so it may b explaining the richness claimed by the poster of this chart shri gopi ji also 11th Lord and lagna Lord aspecting lagna where sani is also 2nd lord frm capri sign ,so again the dhana yoga combo working here now how mars +sani effect cancelled in reality ( can we see for just arguemnt sake ??) is it due to raja yoga and dhan yogas ?? never no raja yogas or dhana yogas can cancell if there is manglic effect (treat and take all malefic also here ,)is it because sani is lagna lord is it because mars is neecha in water rasi ??how can we reserch on it for this we need other events also if we see frm venus and moon there is rahu only in 7th and neecha sun in 12th ,so frm moon and venus the mangal dosha is not there and it is happening ( or may b can happen) only frm lagna tho all this dont approv too much quality and happiness in married life other than some richness as dasa s happend is sani lagna Lord ,merc in 10th as 9th lord also and then ketu and then yoga karaka venus dasa ever since prime time of childhood onwards so all this is generaly good frm benefic for lagna -planet catogary and tho i dont realy go deep in chart so we need more details i am sure the birth time is incorrect by few minits back if blv of words of gopi ji and happy life tru navamsa then we need husbands chart for seeing the cancellation if any happened for mangal dosha also other details like kids and their details and lastly how the marriage was conducted etc including the muhurtha with a back ground information abt husband ,his looks etc will giv us clue how is this ladies face and teeth .can u describe her features like color fatness face etc tho may b some fatness may b their due to old age and richness generaly .sorry gopu ji for seeing the discussion in much larger canvass if u can help us may b grp may b interested ,if u can provide further details rgrds sunil nair , "gopi_b927" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> > Dear ones,> > I am posting a chart of a female here who got saturn with mars in 7th> house.The lady is personally known to me for years since my child> hood.They are happy with grand children as well and also rich.> > D.O.B.....13-11-1947> > T.O.B.....12HRS,17mts.> > P.O.B.......GUNTUR(ANDHRAPRADESH)> > regards,> > gopi.> , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Grp> >> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before> > also, and today got reference> >> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in> any> > of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha> ends."> >> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??> >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Mr. Manoj Chandran ji,

 

Actually, memorization of classics is a must !! a Kerala

tradition...... !! Classics do have some straight and crypted

statements. Yes one has to delve deeper into each statement given in

classics....

 

It is good atleast one member is seriously looking into classic dictums,

which others so far not even bothered to.... so a welcome refresher....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam JI

 

Thanks for quoting source texts as regrds to the discussion on cancellation of mars dosha even the main thread of this discussion was mars with sat and mangal dosha in chart and u hav unearthed another supporting quotes for it here again another puzzling quote is givn Mars with nodes wards of mangal dosha ,again confusing is it not ,aspect of shubha planets we can understand

 

Sure as u already said we hav to see what is the other indications and Malefic influence s in chart for declaring complete results

Thanks and rgrds sunilnair

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> As per Jataka Naradeeyam and DK dictums, there is no Mangal dosha:> > - In a female chart, if Mars is in the 2nd and 7th houses and in a male> chart in the 4th and 8th houses> - If 2nd house has mars in Gemini or Virgo> - 4th house has mars in Aries or Scorpio> - 7th house has mars in Makara or Cancer> - 8th house with mars is Sagittarius or Pisces> - Mars is placed in Aquarius or Leo> - Cancer and Leo lagna natives have no Mars dosha (mars being YK)> - Mars is in conjunction with Jupiter, Moon (waxing phase), or if it> receives the aspect or conjunction of Mercury.> - Mars is in conjunction with Saturn or R/K.> - Dispositor of Mars is in kendras or trines> > > However, one cannot blindly follow any rule and a careful assessment of Mars> or any malefic influence for that matter is important.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeram Ji,

 

My comment was not an advice to Neelam Ji (who is probably light years ahead of me in terms of knowledge). For people like Neelam Ji who already know the dictums and also the deep meanings behind them, there is no problem. For people like me who are unfortunately Sanskrit illiterate, what I meant to say was, JUST memorizing the dictums is not enough. So I find it useful to work ground up from fundamentals instead of memorizing rules because I am handicapped by poor knowledge of sanskrit and poor memory as well.

 

I am sorry Neelam Ji if the wording suggested any thing other than the above.

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

The very sentence, "it is believed that" gives the entire gamut away. Has anyone tried getting married his kith/kin having such kuja/Mars Dosha and tested out these dictums or has taken up such charts for a collective study.

 

regards,

 

mouji

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:46:12 PMRe: Re: Mangal dosha

 

I am sorry Gopi ji, for the typo in your name.

2009/6/17 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

Dear Gopu ji,It is believed that a weak or combust Mars does not cause mangal dosha. In this chart Mars is debilitated and on gandanth. It is closely conjunct lagna lord Saturn, who incidentally, also wins in the planetary war. Thus it has lost all power to cause dosha.Some references exist in Naradeeyam and DK regarding this:Chatusaptamge Bhaume Mesh Karkyaali NakrageYada Rashau Shubham Proktam Kujdosho na VidyateIf mars is in fourth or seventh house in Aries, Cancer, Scorpio or Capricorn, them Mangal dosha is not present, it is said to be auspicious.Arkendu kshetra jatana kuja dosho na vidyateSwochha Mitramjatanam tat dosham na bhavetkilWhen Mars is in the sign of Sun, Moon, own signs and exaltation sign, there

is no Mangal dosha.Saptame Bhaum doshastu Nakra karkatyorvinaIf mars is in Cancer in seventh, there is no Mangal doshRegarding the happy life, grand children and riches, it is not an isolated factor like Mangal dosh that can make or mar a chart. We must adopt a holistic approach to judge the merits and demerits of chart. Dr. Raman calls it Mangalya Dosha, and suggests the use of entire chart for matching, not just Mangal. However, judgement of Mangal Dosh, if we must call it so, is generally personalised based on the experience and learning of the astrologer.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Respected Neelam Gupta,

Thanks for quoting classic for the mangal/kuja dosha. I have not read any classic where kuja dosha has been discused in detail though Muhurat Chintamani touches the same. I personlly feel that there is no kuja dosha. It should be "malefic planet dosha". Any planet in the said sensitive houses with out the aspect of benefic and aspect of malefic planet can cause marital discord and even death if the dasha of markesh planet and transit permits.Regards

[Guest guest]

Dear learned members of the forum,

I am positing a chart of a female who has Mars and Moon in 7th and in chalit bhava chart Moon in 6th as lagna lord,and Mars is exalted in 7th. There is marital discord and went to the court for divorce and compromised.

DOB 16-101969

TOB 22:00hrs

POB Delhi

Date of marriage 19-3-1993

Compromised on 22-6-1098

Regards --- On Wed, 6/17/09, gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 wrote:

gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 Re: Mangal dosha Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:25 PM

 

 

Dear ones,

I am posting a chart of a female here who got saturn with mars in 7th house.The lady is personally known to me for years since my child hood.They are happy with grand children as well and also rich.

D.O.B.....13-11-1947

T.O.B.....12HRS,17mts.

P.O.B.......GUNTUR(ANDHRAPRADESH)

regards,

gopi.

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Mr.Kursija,

With the given details:

//DOB 16-101969

TOB 22:00hrs

POB Delhi//

I am getting Mithuna Lagna, with LL in Virgo & Moon in Dhanush[Parameters of

calculation:Chitrapaksha Ayanamsha].

Kindly confirm this.

Thank you,

.

http://gauravastro.150m.com

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Dear learned members of the forum,

> I am positing a chart of a female who has Mars and Moon in 7th and in chalit

bhava chart Moon in 6th as lagna lord,and Mars is exalted in 7th. There is

marital discord and went to the court for divorce and compromised.

> DOB 16-101969

> TOB 22:00hrs

> POB Delhi

> Date of marriage 19-3-1993

> Compromised on 22-6-1098

> Regards 

>

> --- On Wed, 6/17/09, gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 wrote:

>

>

> gopi_b927 <gopi_b927

> Re: Mangal dosha

>

> Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:25 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Dear ones,

> I am posting a chart of a female here who got saturn with mars in 7th

house.The lady is personally known to me for years since my child hood.They are

happy with grand children as well and also rich.

> D.O.B.....13-11-1947

> T.O.B.....12HRS,17mts.

> P.O.B.......GUNTUR(ANDHRAPRADESH)

> regards,

> gopi.

> , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Grp

> >

> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before

> > also, and today got reference

> >

> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in any

> > of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha ends. "

> >

> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

> >

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Mr. Kursija ji,

 

Your point is valid. Mangal or Kuja or Mars dosha has NOT been so

detailed in classics.... for them it is all about Mangal or Kuja or Mars

DOSHT (Hindi =Dosht = friend).

 

First let us understand who is the Mars and why people attribute so much

negativism to it. Marriage is a type of partnership, generally called

" relationship " in modern day parlon. When the karaka (i.e. friend Mars

/ Kuja or Mangal) for relationship is well placed - everyone is very

happy.....for he is dependable, trustworthy ...etc..

 

One can look at Mars for any type of relationships - Wife, Husband,

friends - morning or official or evening friends. Also it is

considered in calculating the bheeja sputa i.e. semen quality. (Venus =

semen). In marriage issues, children are intrinsic part of the

process......

 

Our focus here is on marital issues - so problems arise when Mars or

Kuja or Mangal is ill-placed. Ofcourse, one need to factor other

planets position also i.e. Sun & Moon positions. if they are well

placed, then effects of Mar or Kuja or Mangal DOSHT (Hindi =Dosht =

friend) or Dosham (ill-effects) would NOT be SURFACING !! Of the two

Moon & Sun, Moon should be better for keeping Mars in control, in other

case, (even if Sun is well placed than Moon), then Mars effect would

still be visibly present but in a different direction

 

Note-1: Planet would surely show or reflects its quality, but in this

case, it would either hidden or limited to few things.... shades of

Mars is one need to identify or track.....

 

Note-2: Benefic aspect or conjunction is NOT considered in above write

up

 

Note-3: Some pointers on Mars in watery sign, Cancer sign...etc. already

written by Ms. Neelam & Mr. Sunil ...etc. so NOT repeating them.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Mouji ji,Isn’t astrology centred within our *beliefs*? Or have we made astrology the load-bearer of the gamut of beliefs? Isn’t that how desh-kaal-patra gets into the focus and asks us NOT TO BE DOGMATIC!

In a society which believes in small family norms, wouldn’t malefic influence on progeny or child-bearing and rearing factors, cease to have much significance? And to think of societies where people have stopped producing children (rather adopt a pet!), the way to look at 5H and Jupiter, etc would change! The way they care for a pet, how about feeling happy about 6L in 5H?

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Namaste Mr. Kursija ji,

 

Female 16-Oct-1969, 22:00hrs, New Delhi, India

 

Getting Gemini Lagna. Mars is NOT exalted as mentioned in your mail.

Infact there is NO Mars or Kuja or Mangal dosha in this horrorscope.

Reconciliation in 1998 dasha of Moon starting....Moon + Mars

conjunction in 7H in Sagittarius sign. Otherwise she is very homely /

peace / family type lady or woman

 

Moreover, the events are more related to dasha and Deb. Saturn. Confirm

if this lady is having Blood Pressure problems.

 

Here are there are so many nullifying factors, there is NO Mars dosha.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Kursija ji,I agree with you completely. Sometimes I really wonder whether the culprit is the poor classic text, or our understanding, or the language? And astrology itself is like a language as we try to learn it bit by bit, understand the words, make sentences, express ourselves and our life. And astrology then comes alive and becomes a pliable moulding dough in our hands.

However, the point that I was trying to make was that why would DOSHA be called Humour! Is that language or astrology? Can we see where one ends and the other begins?SSji would throw some light on this!

RegardsNeelam2009/6/18 S.C. Kursija <sckursija

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Neelam Gupta,

Thanks for quoting classic for the mangal/kuja dosha. I have not read any classic where kuja dosha has been discused in detail though Muhurat Chintamani touches the same. I personlly feel that there is no kuja dosha. It should be " malefic planet dosha " . Any planet in the said sensitive houses with out the aspect of benefic and aspect of malefic planet can cause marital discord and even death if the dasha of markesh planet and transit permits.

Regards

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Manoj ji,

I think too much reading into English...... do you expect everyone to start testing the astro_combinations by marrying off their keath & kin and learn astrology through it......??

The intent of interacting in group is that people who have direct experience or knowledge of events of those people where have similar combinations as stated in classics...etc.

No need to go hyperbole ......be calm and respect other's view......

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:Dear Neelam ji, The very sentence, "it is believed that" gives the entire gamut away. Has anyone tried getting married his kith/kin having such kuja/Mars Dosha and tested out these dictums or has taken up such charts for a collective study. regards, mouji