Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear all and Bohra ji, I just glanced at this chart out of curiosity as it caught my attention. This chart definitely shows a happy marriage no doubt about it. But continous receiving of gifts or wealth from the in laws side is not seen from this chart. (How does one see this ?)This means that the native is only receiving gifts on occasions but not a continous income, or being provided with a source of same at a stretch. This is because the 8th house will show this. And there are no planets in the 8th house and neither does the 8th house figure anywhere in the calculations or results sheet. So how does one see a native recieving gifts from his wifes side ? This may be too normal and probably does not reflect in the chart, unless it is something extraordinary. This does not reflect in my chart too, though I have been receiving expensive gifts almost every three months in my 25 years of married Life, from my wifes side. I feel these are very minor matters to see in a chart and bordering on the general and mundane in an individuals chart, not worthy of study and mention. Again expensive may be a relative term depending on the strata of society one is. For me receiving Rs.5-10000 and above worth of gifts everytime may be considered as expensive, while for somebody belonging to a higher economical level than me it may be Rs.1-2 lakhs and above as expensive, and so on and so forth. This is just like the fate line which may be found similiar in a Liftmans hand and a big industrialists hand. The fate line would be appearing same but the money matters related to both may be astronomically different. What are your comments now on the astrological matters related to this ? regards/Bhaskar. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear all Members, > > Here I am presenting a birth data for your further discussion on this topic,Native is well settled and have happy marriage life with his wife.Yes as Sreeramji said his wife is from wealthy family and bring wealth to native after marriage even after all most 20 year of marriage native getting valuable gifts from his in-laws side on every occasion. > > Data > DOB : 7.02.1962 > TOB : 11.50 pm > POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan ) > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > I feel if moon is strong and well-aspected, there is no problem in life as > > most of the so-called problems are mind-created. > > Heath also to a great extent and a healthy mind knows what is true wealth. > > > > Except longevity, I think, there is nothing that a good moon cannot and will > > not control. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/6/10 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji, Neelamji and all. > > > > > > You may find it hard to believe and perhaps surprising that, when my > > > daughter got married a year back, I did not match their charts for > > > Mangal Dosha or any such type of matching at all. Because if I had did, > > > I would never have found a perfect chart. I had already rejected about > > > 40 suitors on basis of chart, and frankly evrybody around me had got fed > > > up of me, and so was I of myself. I thought before further charts > > > stopped coming to me because of such basis on my part, I better leave it > > > to the Lord and just go about it without bothering much. yes but I did > > > check the longevity part, wealth part, and the compatibility prt > > > (Negativity) in the boys chart, but nothing else. No Guna Dosha > > > matching, No Mangal Dosha, nothing. And to tell you the truth, one of > > > them has Mangal Dosha while the other has not, which I knew , yet went > > > ahead. > > > > > > The couple is happy today with Gods grace. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > > neelam gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > Your garnishing adds the right dash! Masala Tadka as they say in > > > Hindi, or > > > > Punjabi! > > > > Yes, it makes a lot of sense in today's materialistic reality. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/6/10 sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Ms Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > Just to add some confusion and clarity to the topic..... > > > > > > > > > > 8) Nakshatra position of Mars in that horrorscope > > > > > > > > > > *Result:* Consider all factors, then one ends up with NIL or NULL > > > Kuja > > > > > (Mars) Dosha (ill-effects) > > > > > > > > > > *Conclusion: *Every one wants their prospective brides to come with > > > tons > > > > > of Wealth (Mars-Bhumi or Immovable Property karaka), if not in natal > > > chart, > > > > > in vargas positions vary.... A ordinary Astrology is lost and then > > > suggests > > > > > all non-sense remedies {Jyotish Remedies- pun intended}.... > > > overblown > > > > > astrology... > > > > > > > > > > // Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order) > > > > > 1) Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially > > > the > > > > > nodes and their role in the chart. > > > > > 2) Quality and strength of 7H and 7L > > > > > 3) Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc) > > > > > 4) Aspect of mars on different houses/planets. > > > > > 5) All the above to be seen from moon and venus also. > > > > > 6) Study of navamsha. > > > > > 7) Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas.// > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear manoj chandran ji ur chart has typical dosha ( according to bookish sense ) repeats frm all main 3 points ,and with a exchange of 7 th L and 8th L also has sun in 7th House and 7th H is under papakartari with sat asepcting venus +mars in 8th house .Also frm Moon the 8th House has rahu .did u matched ur charts b4 marriage if u dont mind can we discuss ??rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear All,> > I can present my own chart as a classic example of a virulent Kuja dosha.> > June 8, 1970, Tiruppatur, Tamil Nadu, 5:02 PM.> > You will notice Kuja dosha occurs from all three lagnas, Udaya lagna, Chandra, and Venus. In such a case it is best to match the chart with a spouse with Kuja Dosha of similar strength. Ofcourse the plethora of afflictions to the 7th bhava and Venus makes it difficult to isolate the effects of Kuja dosha in this case.> > There are some jyotishis who believe Jupiters aspect nullifies it. Again my opinion is it only reduces its intensity.> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> "CHAKRABORTYP2" CHAKRABORTYP2 > Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:57:16 PM> Re:Mangal dosha> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > I have noticed that Kuja Dosha gets different level of emphasis by> different astrologers. The judgement we see about Kuja dosha is> highly subjective. I wish the learned members take up a detailed> discussion.> > At a rudimentary level, Kuja dosha will happen when Mars is in > 1/2/4/7/8/12H. That is when it is located in some "comfort zone"> of chart and aspecting 7H or 8H by 4th / 7th / 8th aspect. By comfort > zone, I mean that houses which are related physical and mental> comforts. > > But the problem is, out of 12 houses in a chart, Mars in any 6> houses will create Kuja Dosha..i.e., 50% of people will have some> Kuja dosha. And when we consider alternate lagna (Moon & Venus),> the affected percentage will be more. So, it looks a difficult > proposition to me. Probably, there are many rules of cancellation > and different degrees of Kuja dosha.> > regards> > P L Chakraborty> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear Bohra ji Thanks for this peculiar chart where almost all planets ecxcept Moon and rahu in one house ,i think u r reserching on this birthcharts who has 7 grahayoga or 8 grahayogas ,b4 also u presented similar charts .i dont remebr is it same or not .( generaly this kind ashtgraha yoga or saptagrha yoga when whole nation is in trouble and this is nearest to chinese agression on india --i dont know dates ) Frm moon all planets in 11th House too frm Lagna all planets in 4th House ( i think in 4th its bad ) But since it is shukla paksha nite birth and Moon dispositor in upachaya the moon sign is more stronger esp after 30 yrs and u can see all planets in 11th House ,also since birth he got all the dasa frm this 11th house frm moon can u giv me bit of background info abt his begining in life and later acheivmnts etc etc if possible This kind of charts has to see with vargas .what abt kids ,how many kids they got ? what is his profession ??I know one astrologer in US who recently also posted this Kind of data but i think it was piscess lagna with all planets in 11th any way thanks for the chart and participating in discussions rgrds sunil nair , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear all Members,> > Here I am presenting a birth data for your further discussion on this topic,Native is well settled and have happy marriage life with his wife.Yes as Sreeramji said his wife is from wealthy family and bring wealth to native after marriage even after all most 20 year of marriage native getting valuable gifts from his in-laws side on every occasion.> > Data> DOB : 7.02.1962> TOB : 11.50 pm> POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan )> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear Sunil Ji, Please feel free to discuss, which is why I posted it in the public domain. Yes charts were matched before marriage. I will leave it to the learned members to judge how well it was done (I was not interested in astrology at that time). Here is my wife's birth details: June 4 1973, 9:55 Am, Chennai Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:27:13 AM Re:Mangal dosha Dear manoj chandran ji ur chart has typical dosha ( according to bookish sense ) repeats frm all main 3 points ,and with a exchange of 7 th L and 8th L also has sun in 7th House and 7th H is under papakartari with sat asepcting venus +mars in 8th house . Also frm Moon the 8th House has rahu . did u matched ur charts b4 marriage if u dont mind can we discuss ?? rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > I can present my own chart as a classic example of a virulent Kuja dosha. > > June 8, 1970, Tiruppatur, Tamil Nadu, 5:02 PM. > > You will notice Kuja dosha occurs from all three lagnas, Udaya lagna, Chandra, and Venus. In such a case it is best to match the chart with a spouse with Kuja Dosha of similar strength. Ofcourse the plethora of afflictions to the 7th bhava and Venus makes it difficult to isolate the effects of Kuja dosha in this case. > > There are some jyotishis who believe Jupiters aspect nullifies it. Again my opinion is it only reduces its intensity. > > -Manoj Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear grp here is another chart ,posted by a memebr in my personal id and i would like to present it to grp for general awareness as this chart come under discussion of mars +sat ,tho not fully .pls see chart Natal Chart December 19, 1957Time: 2:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00" Colombo, Sri Lankahere is inputs the husband of this lady died during her Ve-Ma-Ve period.She got married in 1984, that means they were married for 23 yearsQuality of married life was good....but most of the time they had to live separately as husband was a planter and was stationed in Estates in the interior of the country where as this lady lived in Colombo to facilitate their two daughters' education. Only during the weekends and vacations they were together. Her health is ok...but husband suffered from various ailments..diabetic, heart etc. I hav removed the irrrelevnt part of discussion happened in prvt mail now i request grp to form or post own opinions this is one chart as a liv example rgrds sunil nair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear Sunil ji,I think the chart that Bohra ji presented has all planets in 11H and from moon they are in 12H.Lagna pisces and rashi aquarius. But there is no kuja dosha from lagna I guess.RegardsNeelam 2009/6/10 sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Dear Bohra ji Thanks for this peculiar chart where almost all planets ecxcept Moon and rahu in one house ,i think u r reserching on this birthcharts who has 7 grahayoga or 8 grahayogas ,b4 also u presented similar charts .i dont remebr is it same or not .( generaly this kind ashtgraha yoga or saptagrha yoga when whole nation is in trouble and this is nearest to chinese agression on india --i dont know dates ) Frm moon all planets in 11th House too frm Lagna all planets in 4th House ( i think in 4th its bad ) But since it is shukla paksha nite birth and Moon dispositor in upachaya the moon sign is more stronger esp after 30 yrs and u can see all planets in 11th House ,also since birth he got all the dasa frm this 11th house frm moon can u giv me bit of background info abt his begining in life and later acheivmnts etc etc if possible This kind of charts has to see with vargas .what abt kids ,how many kids they got ? what is his profession ?? I know one astrologer in US who recently also posted this Kind of data but i think it was piscess lagna with all planets in 11th any way thanks for the chart and participating in discussions rgrds sunil nair , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: >> Dear all Members,> > Here I am presenting a birth data for your further discussion on this topic,Native is well settled and have happy marriage life with his wife.Yes as Sreeramji said his wife is from wealthy family and bring wealth to native after marriage even after all most 20 year of marriage native getting valuable gifts from his in-laws side on every occasion. > > Data> DOB : 7.02.1962> TOB : 11.50 pm> POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan )> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear Neelam ji Here the data he gav us ,he wrote PM ,{i dont know he posted any charts with AM b4 ,b4 i remebr vaguely he was asking abt some info on all planets in 11th H ,so i guessed it is 1962 birth that time ,tho dont participated in discussion .}it is nite birth Natal Chart February 7, 1962Time: 23:50:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 73 E 01' 00", 26 N 17' 00" Jodhpur, IndiaI hope the coordinates of jodhpur rajastan is correct Rgrds Sunil Nair , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > I think the chart that Bohra ji presented has all planets in 11H and from> moon they are in 12H.> Lagna pisces and rashi aquarius. But there is no kuja dosha from lagna I> guess.> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/6/10 sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > >> >> > *> > Dear Bohra ji> >> > Thanks for this peculiar chart where almost all planets ecxcept Moon and> > rahu in one house ,i think u r reserching on this birthcharts who has 7> > grahayoga or 8 grahayogas ,b4 also u presented similar charts .i dont remebr> > is it same or not .( generaly this kind ashtgraha yoga or saptagrha yoga> > when whole nation is in trouble and this is nearest to chinese agression on> > india --i dont know dates )> >> > Frm moon all planets in 11th House too> >> > frm Lagna all planets in 4th House ( i think in 4th its bad )> >> > But since it is shukla paksha nite birth and Moon dispositor in upachaya> > the moon sign is more stronger esp after 30 yrs and u can see all planets in> > 11th House ,also since birth he got all the dasa frm this 11th house frm> > moon> >> > can u giv me bit of background info abt his begining in life and later> > acheivmnts etc etc if possible> >> > This kind of charts has to see with vargas .> >> > what abt kids ,how many kids they got ? what is his profession ??> >> > I know one astrologer in US who recently also posted this Kind of data but> > i think it was piscess lagna with all planets in 11th> > any way thanks for the chart and participating in discussions> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> > *> > , "msbohra62" msbohra62@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear all Members,> > >> > > Here I am presenting a birth data for your further discussion on this> > topic,Native is well settled and have happy marriage life with his wife.Yes> > as Sreeramji said his wife is from wealthy family and bring wealth to native> > after marriage even after all most 20 year of marriage native getting> > valuable gifts from his in-laws side on every occasion.> > >> > > Data> > > DOB : 7.02.1962> > > TOB : 11.50 pm> > > POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan )> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear Bohraji, Data > DOB : 7.02.1962 > TOB : 11.50 pm > POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan ) > This horoscope is very typical, all the planets are in 4th house except moon in 6th and rahu in 10th house. Mercury, venus, jupiter , sun are in close conjunction and mars, saturn are in close conjunction in 4th house. saturn and venus are neech in Navamsha !! Very difficult for me to say a happy life or married life. What are the major factors in this horoscope that has given a happy married life, ya their could be lot of properties due to powerful 4th house, wife could be the reasons as 7th lord is exalted their. Is wealth is the only reason for sustenance of this marriage ? [Jodhu ka gulam just thinking LL is weak and 7L strong] Thankyou for posting such a nice mind boggling chart. Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear all Members, > > Here I am presenting a birth data for your further discussion on this topic,Native is well settled and have happy marriage life with his wife.Yes as Sreeramji said his wife is from wealthy family and bring wealth to native after marriage even after all most 20 year of marriage native getting valuable gifts from his in-laws side on every occasion. > > Data > DOB : 7.02.1962 > TOB : 11.50 pm > POB : Jodhpur (Rajasthan ) > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > I feel if moon is strong and well-aspected, there is no problem in life as > > most of the so-called problems are mind-created. > > Heath also to a great extent and a healthy mind knows what is true wealth. > > > > Except longevity, I think, there is nothing that a good moon cannot and will > > not control. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/6/10 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeramji, Neelamji and all. > > > > > > You may find it hard to believe and perhaps surprising that, when my > > > daughter got married a year back, I did not match their charts for > > > Mangal Dosha or any such type of matching at all. Because if I had did, > > > I would never have found a perfect chart. I had already rejected about > > > 40 suitors on basis of chart, and frankly evrybody around me had got fed > > > up of me, and so was I of myself. I thought before further charts > > > stopped coming to me because of such basis on my part, I better leave it > > > to the Lord and just go about it without bothering much. yes but I did > > > check the longevity part, wealth part, and the compatibility prt > > > (Negativity) in the boys chart, but nothing else. No Guna Dosha > > > matching, No Mangal Dosha, nothing. And to tell you the truth, one of > > > them has Mangal Dosha while the other has not, which I knew , yet went > > > ahead. > > > > > > The couple is happy today with Gods grace. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > > neelam gupta > > > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > Your garnishing adds the right dash! Masala Tadka as they say in > > > Hindi, or > > > > Punjabi! > > > > Yes, it makes a lot of sense in today's materialistic reality. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/6/10 sreeram srinivas sreeram64@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Ms Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > Just to add some confusion and clarity to the topic..... > > > > > > > > > > 8) Nakshatra position of Mars in that horrorscope > > > > > > > > > > *Result:* Consider all factors, then one ends up with NIL or NULL > > > Kuja > > > > > (Mars) Dosha (ill-effects) > > > > > > > > > > *Conclusion: *Every one wants their prospective brides to come with > > > tons > > > > > of Wealth (Mars-Bhumi or Immovable Property karaka), if not in natal > > > chart, > > > > > in vargas positions vary.... A ordinary Astrology is lost and then > > > suggests > > > > > all non-sense remedies {Jyotish Remedies- pun intended}.... > > > overblown > > > > > astrology... > > > > > > > > > > // Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order) > > > > > 1) Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially > > > the > > > > > nodes and their role in the chart. > > > > > 2) Quality and strength of 7H and 7L > > > > > 3) Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc) > > > > > 4) Aspect of mars on different houses/planets. > > > > > 5) All the above to be seen from moon and venus also. > > > > > 6) Study of navamsha. > > > > > 7) Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas.// > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 dear manoj ji Now bit busy i will come back soon ,i will b happy if other memebrs also contribute in this rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Ji,> > Please feel free to discuss, which is why I posted it in the public domain. Yes charts were matched before marriage. I will leave it to the learned members to judge how well it was done (I was not interested in astrology at that time). Here is my wife's birth details:> > June 4 1973, 9:55 Am, Chennai> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:27:13 AM> Re:Mangal dosha> > > > > > > Dear manoj chandran ji> > ur chart has typical dosha ( according to bookish sense ) repeats frm all main 3 points ,and with a exchange of 7 th L and 8th L> > also has sun in 7th House and 7th H is under papakartari with sat asepcting venus +mars in 8th house .> > Also frm Moon the 8th House has rahu .> > did u matched ur charts b4 marriage> > if u dont mind can we discuss ??> > rgrds sunil nair> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> >> > I can present my own chart as a classic example of a virulent Kuja dosha.> >> > June 8, 1970, Tiruppatur, Tamil Nadu, 5:02 PM.> >> > You will notice Kuja dosha occurs from all three lagnas, Udaya lagna, Chandra, and Venus. In such a case it is best to match the chart with a spouse with Kuja Dosha of similar strength. Ofcourse the plethora of afflictions to the 7th bhava and Venus makes it difficult to isolate the effects of Kuja dosha in this case.> >> > There are some jyotishis who believe Jupiters aspect nullifies it. Again my opinion is it only reduces its intensity.> >> > -Manoj> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, In my non profit work in the past with a woman's shelter I have noticed that many batterred women had Kuja dosha. This surprised me because going in my assumption was that the Kuja dosha person could be the aggressor. I have found the opposite to be true. In many cases they are victims of the abuse, especially, as you correctly said, if all the other factors line up. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Wednesday, June 10, 2009 2:16:01 AM Re: Re:Mangal dosha Dear All, Meaning and relevance of Kuja dosha has undergone a change in today's times when girls are naturally more aggressive, outgoing and decision-makers as against their meek and submissive counterparts some decades ago. There are also better healthcare and medical facilities to make things difficult for Kuja to show its worse form. I think classics must be seen with a fresh eye in this sense. Renu ji would remember as we both had discussed some charts having mars and saturn together in june-july 1984 and those boys and girls are now of marriageable age and trying to get settled in life. For these young people, Kuja dosha has be seen in a new light and doom declared only when there is DOOM. Quality of Kuja dosha would depend on: Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order) Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially the nodes and their role in the chart. Quality and strength of 7H and 7L Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc) Aspect of mars on different houses/planets. All the above to be seen from moon and venus also. Study of navamsha. Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas. The careful synthesis of the above will reveal that not many charts are actually so badly afflicted. A matching for Kuja dosha may not really negate the impact of it. It only makes the two partners equally armed for the battle, an eye for an eye! Regards Neelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of forum but i will reply as soon as possible. Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : DOB : 7.02.1962 TOB : 10:15 AM POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister they have some hard time on money matter. He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is happy with their family and wife. Vijay Goyal ji, He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married life. We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final conclusion. Thanks, M.S.Bohra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, //This is just like the fate line which may be found similiar in a Liftmans hand and a big industrialists hand// If we read any palm,we read only fate line and predict the fate of native ?,No!Firstly we read all about palm's construction,shape,hardness,softness,size of palm etc. so many other factor should be read for any final conclusion.A lift man and Industrialist never have the same all these as above. Thanks, M.S.Bohra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Bohra Ji Thanks for ur response and further feed backs but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than directed to u ) u said #### We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final conclusion.###############Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here ,Even we r afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some predictions in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i assume it is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which can invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for discuss astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which accumulated over years in the name of astrology many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may not b fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness and a discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or doesnot know .Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and declare results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken with care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to create awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss astrology .so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every one sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare final conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the reason u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the rishi or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and understand it If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart with planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha ,and see Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan and Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in net ???So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation and sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the lagna which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us questions ) .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing his merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after all AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for astrology ) sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who ever posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried that they dont get any predictions .Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of other factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of whole chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums independently .rgrds sunil nair Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal basic rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi )raja yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in classics ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in lagna and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film industry and after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure this kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji,> > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of forum but i will reply as soon as possible.> > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as :> > DOB : 7.02.1962> TOB : 10:15 AM> POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00> > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji,> > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver "A" class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister they have some hard time on money matter.> > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is happy with their family and wife.> > Vijay Goyal ji,> > He is not as like "Joru ka Gulam" at all.He is dominating in nature and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally.> > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married life.> > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final conclusion.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Bohra ji, I was looking for some substance from your side on the astro inputs of the chart you have given. But that issue has been ignored by your goodself. About lines of the palm , I was not talking about the other lines, texture of the hand. I was also not talking of predicting just from the fate line. I was just talking of the middle line running across the palm known commonly as the Fate line. I have done scientific palmistry for two years in the best institute of India , so am fully equipped to discuss on same. How do we read gifts received from in laws from the chart ? That chart was your own chart. Was it not ? Please confirm. regards/Bhaskar. , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > //This is just like the fate line which> may be found similiar in a Liftmans hand and a big industrialists hand//> > If we read any palm,we read only fate line and predict the fate of native ?,No!Firstly we read all about palm's construction,shape,hardness,softness,size of palm etc. so many other factor should be read for any final conclusion.A lift man and Industrialist never have the same all these as above.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Bohraji, It is strange that you had given us a chart for study for night time presently, while you had at the same time in the past given the morning time on same date to be studied for same date of birth and place of birth. What is the meaning of all this ? Are we being made use of here as sniffers ? Why must you be taken seriously now or in future ? Surely you must not be knowing two persons born on the same date one in the morning and one in the evening ? You just want inputs on the chart for the most probable reason being - to find out through the inputs received, whether the person was born during the day time or night time , which fact may have been obliterated from your records ??? Please explain why is the time of the astrologer members been taken for discussing charts of people who are apparently and obviously not real persons . Only one of those may be real. The one born in the morning time, or the one born in the night time? This is Your chart. Bhaskar. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > TOB : 10:15 AM > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister they have some hard time on money matter. > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is happy with their family and wife. > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married life. > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final conclusion. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Kuja - Mangal - electricity - energy - act Moon - Chandra - water - imagination - mind Mind throws up infinite thoughts. These thoughts are pass thru for people with people with lesser energy, but people with Mangal chase their thoughts, try to atleast. They reach some ..... disrupting peoples lives in their wakes. If this chase results in good ( sometimes ) we admire the person for their energy. If it results in only .... chases the peoples whose lives are disrupted are shaken up ( more often ). If Mangal ( Mars ) aspects moon you can get " electrocuted " or " electrified ". Saturn gives dogged determination. Thus combining with Mars gives industrious labour - some astrologers say manufacturing needs such combination. This is my experience. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Wed, 10/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Re:Mangal dosha Date: Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 11:03 PM Dear Neelam Ji,In my non profit work in the past with a woman's shelter I have noticed that many batterred women had Kuja dosha. This surprised me because going in my assumption was that the Kuja dosha person could be the aggressor. I have found the opposite to be true. In many cases they are victims of the abuse, especially, as you correctly said, if all the other factors line up.Regards,-Manoj____________ _________ _________ __neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, June 10, 2009 2:16:01 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Mangal doshaDear All,Meaning and relevance of Kuja dosha has undergone a change in today's times when girls are naturally more aggressive, outgoing and decision-makers as against their meek and submissive counterparts some decades ago. There are also better healthcare and medical facilities to make things difficult for Kuja to show its worse form. I think classics must be seen with a fresh eye in this sense.Renu ji would remember as we both had discussed some charts having mars and saturn together in june-july 1984 and those boys and girls are now of marriageable age and trying to get settled in life. For these young people, Kuja dosha has be seen in a new light and doom declared only when there is DOOM.Quality of Kuja dosha would depend on:Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order)Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially the nodes and their role in the chart.Quality and strength of 7H and 7LAspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc)Aspect of mars on different houses/planets.All the above to be seen from moon and venus also.Study of navamsha.Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas. The careful synthesis of the above will reveal that not many charts are actually so badly afflicted.A matching for Kuja dosha may not really negate the impact of it. It only makes the two partners equally armed for the battle, an eye for an eye!RegardsNeelam Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Their is no any strange in my post,it is only in your mind.You always under estimate other by showing your offensive post.why you are feeling unsecured by every second astrologer ?Why you always try to play a role of guru to every one,if any one not give you this status you become aggressive for him.Show some maturity in your behavior. These data,which I have post are two persons data,not for one person with two data.One is Libra other is Pisces Ascendant.Recall my " Best Ascendant " threat.These two are very typical example and I know both of them because day time born is myself and night born is my cousin.You know every well, in recent past discussion held with Mr.M.Sing who have the same chart position in the forum of KP Astrology. Recently posted data of night born person was in the reference of Mangal-Dosa threat as data required by Sunil ji not for any predication at this forum.Have I asked for any predication?Than why you are making a issue ?You are own judge of your self to attempt or not to any threat,than where is the problem ? You always try to kill others status who are beyond the your liking.We are here to exchange the knowledge not for any personal issues to resolve. I have clearly stated in the post to Sunil ji that these are two data,please read it again.If you want any further queries i can give you. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Bohraji, > > It is strange that you had given us a chart for study for night time > presently, while you had at the same time in the past given the morning > time on same date to be studied for same date of birth and place of > birth. > > What is the meaning of all this ? Are we being made use of here as > sniffers ? Why must you be taken seriously now or in future ? Surely you > must not be knowing two persons born on the same date one in the morning > and one in the evening ? You just want inputs on the chart for the most > probable reason being - to find out through the inputs received, whether > the person was born during the day time or night time , which fact may > have been obliterated from your records ??? > > Please explain why is the time of the astrologer members been taken for > discussing charts of people who are apparently and obviously not real > persons . Only one of those may be real. The one born in the morning > time, or the one born in the night time? This is Your chart. > > Bhaskar. > > > , " msbohra62 " > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is > happy with their family and wife. > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married > life. > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > conclusion. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical application of astrological rules. Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of any rule ?How we will learn the real application. As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination in " Janam " chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given the data. Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his treatments ..It is not a big issue as like free predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your predictions. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Dear Bohra Ji > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than > directed to u ) > > u said > #### > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > conclusion. > > ############### > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here ,Even we r > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some predictions > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i assume it > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which can > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for discuss > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which > accumulated over years in the name of astrology > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may not b > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness and a > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or doesnot > know . > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and declare > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken with > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to create > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss > astrology . > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every one > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare final > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the reason > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the rishi > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and understand it > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart with > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha ,and see > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan and > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in net ??? > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation and > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the lagna > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us questions ) > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing his > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after all > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for astrology > [] ) > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who ever > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried that > they dont get any predictions . > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of other > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of whole > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums > independently . > > rgrds sunil nair > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal basic > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi )raja > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in classics > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in lagna > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film industry and > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure this > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted , " msbohra62 " > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is > happy with their family and wife. > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married > life. > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > conclusion. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Mr. Bohra ji, Whenever I have given my details, I have given my chart only for discussion purposes and not for asking predictions as you feel. Do not equate me with yourself. there is a vast difference. You had not even accepted uptil now that this is your Chart, until I sensed and asked you. regards, Bhaskar. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical application of astrological rules. > > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of any rule ?How we will learn the real application. > > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination in " Janam " chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given the data. > > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your predictions. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > , " sunil nair " astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji > > > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs > > > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than > > directed to u ) > > > > u said > > #### > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > conclusion. > > > > ############### > > > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here ,Even we r > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some predictions > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i assume it > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which can > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for discuss > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology > > > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may not b > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness and a > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or doesnot > > know . > > > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and declare > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken with > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to create > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss > > astrology . > > > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every one > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare final > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the reason > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the rishi > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and understand it > > > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction > > > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart with > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha ,and see > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan and > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in net ??? > > > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation and > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the lagna > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us questions ) > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing his > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana > > > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after all > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for astrology > > [] ) > > > > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who ever > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried that > > they dont get any predictions . > > > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of other > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of whole > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums > > independently . > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal basic > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi )raja > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here > > > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in classics > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in lagna > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film industry and > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure this > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers > > > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister > > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is > > happy with their family and wife. > > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married > > life. > > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > conclusion. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear Bohra ji, 1) I do not play Guru to anyone. 2) There is not a single astrologer on these Groups who has the power to give me a feeling of insecurity. 3)And about you, you are just one of those for me, who comes to these Groups with his chart in one hand, asking for consultations, and within few months one finds him projecting himself as a self styled astrologer. 4) I am certainly aggressive when such people try to equate their actions with mines. 5) By the way you are still not mature enough to know who is mature or not. 6) Your postings on the KP Group you may not be aware that people find them very amusing , but dont say to you out of pity. 7) You have today accepted that it is your chart. What kept you from disclosing this before ? Is this not what you have been doing till date ? Asking for inputs on your own chart in one form or the other ? 8) If somebody does not have any status then why the fear of having it killed ? 9) You have been asking predictions uptil date in garb of discussions. If not predictions then why are you simply posting data of Birth charts ? For what purpose ? 10) I am not having any personal issue with you. On the contrary feel pity for you. Hope we do not move the thread from here, but close it. Bhaskar. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Their is no any strange in my post,it is only in your mind.You always under estimate other by showing your offensive post.why you are feeling unsecured by every second astrologer ?Why you always try to play a role of guru to every one,if any one not give you this status you become aggressive for him.Show some maturity in your behavior. > > These data,which I have post are two persons data,not for one person with two data.One is Libra other is Pisces Ascendant.Recall my " Best Ascendant " threat.These two are very typical example and I know both of them because day time born is myself and night born is my cousin.You know every well, in recent past discussion held with Mr.M.Sing who have the same chart position in the forum of KP Astrology. > > Recently posted data of night born person was in the reference of Mangal-Dosa threat as data required by Sunil ji not for any predication at this forum.Have I asked for any predication?Than why you are making a issue ?You are own judge of your self to attempt or not to any threat,than where is the problem ? > > You always try to kill others status who are beyond the your liking.We are here to exchange the knowledge not for any personal issues to resolve. > > I have clearly stated in the post to Sunil ji that these are two data,please read it again.If you want any further queries i can give you. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bohraji, > > > > It is strange that you had given us a chart for study for night time > > presently, while you had at the same time in the past given the morning > > time on same date to be studied for same date of birth and place of > > birth. > > > > What is the meaning of all this ? Are we being made use of here as > > sniffers ? Why must you be taken seriously now or in future ? Surely you > > must not be knowing two persons born on the same date one in the morning > > and one in the evening ? You just want inputs on the chart for the most > > probable reason being - to find out through the inputs received, whether > > the person was born during the day time or night time , which fact may > > have been obliterated from your records ??? > > > > Please explain why is the time of the astrologer members been taken for > > discussing charts of people who are apparently and obviously not real > > persons . Only one of those may be real. The one born in the morning > > time, or the one born in the night time? This is Your chart. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister > > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is > > happy with their family and wife. > > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married > > life. > > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > conclusion. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 Dear all, Mr. Bohra has written, " Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his treatments " Let me clear this. Not a single astrologer on the Jyotish groups has ever made a true prediction to me till date about my chart. I mostly present my chart alongwith the events which have happened in my Life and also the astrological reasons for same, just so that all can learn from my sharing. It is rarely that I may have presented my chart for predictions, because I do not even believe my own Teachers for predictions, but Just GOD and myself. I know for sure that there are only 3-4 astrologers in India, who can be termed as very Good, and they are certainly not on these Groups. This foolish man is now equating me with his own submissions of his chart, which is unacceptable. The best astrologers can be found only on KP Groups and there also they have been explained and taught by me how to predict for the Nodes, and this guy is talking that I need predictions by presenting my chart ? Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with a empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the hungry ? What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around with their own charts ??? Bhaskar. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical application of astrological rules. > > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of any rule ?How we will learn the real application. > > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination in " Janam " chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given the data. > > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your predictions. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > , " sunil nair " astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji > > > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs > > > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than > > directed to u ) > > > > u said > > #### > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > conclusion. > > > > ############### > > > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here ,Even we r > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some predictions > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i assume it > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which can > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for discuss > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology > > > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may not b > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness and a > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or doesnot > > know . > > > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and declare > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken with > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to create > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss > > astrology . > > > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every one > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare final > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the reason > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the rishi > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and understand it > > > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction > > > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart with > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha ,and see > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan and > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in net ??? > > > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation and > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the lagna > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us questions ) > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing his > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana > > > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after all > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for astrology > > [] ) > > > > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who ever > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried that > > they dont get any predictions . > > > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of other > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of whole > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums > > independently . > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal basic > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi )raja > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here > > > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in classics > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in lagna > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film industry and > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure this > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers > > > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have Pisces > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and rahu > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not good > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in the > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver " A " > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and sister > > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to earn > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle class > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He is > > happy with their family and wife. > > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in nature > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his wife > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn combination is > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa materalised > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year married > > life. > > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > conclusion. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2009 dear Bhaskar ji and Bohra ji Bohra ji Posted the data in tread as if it is a Known chart ( which is innocent ) but i can say some intention was not direct ,because even he can post his own chart ( directly saying it is mine --sure some ppl r not ready to disclose it but they shud also ready to accept that the predictions ( if they expect any ) in such cases goes ashtray ) which has same planetary configarations or both charts for discussion because we r sure that both of them will not hav same marital life exprnce ,same kind of gifts pouring in or same numbr of kids etc ,( even the twins diffr each other in destiny ,even i find one is married and other is bachelor ,even among identical same gender twins ) which wud hav added more flavour to the discussions .Now let me tell some facts .There is big diffrnce when ppl speaks truth ( here i am not saying Bohra ji was telling lies ,Those who realy mastered the subjuct not frm nets and blogs know s the diffrnce ,The truth will guide them to truth ,because when u choose to say some thing which is partial truth ,the astrologer who wanted to help u will not get devine guidance ,The inexprnced once will b muse at himself why he has some blocks in his own judgmnts( it will b felt to him the moment he opens the chart ) where as exprnced astrologer who has his gurus guidance will easily understand this problem .And will say some excuse and get outs of discussions .Again Think abt this scenario --when some astrologer while trying to answer some charts remebrs some thing like some one posted diffrnt time tags with same dates b4 also but cant decide what is it while he trying to answer for some query ,the doubts and suspicions will not allow him to predict correctly We shud accept that within same Lagna frame of 2 hrs ( atleast in all over india generaly ) there may b 10s of dozns of birth s and even in a city may b more than 2 births atleast ,i am not familiar with govmnt records ,but saying frm my own understanding .So pls think b4 posing challenges if some one learned astrology how far we can tell correctly when same charts of real living persons is produced in frnd of u or think abt this some 12 persons are visiting one astrologer with same chart in same day same hr .Now abt bhaskar ji if my memory is correct Bhaskar ji has posted his charts many times in net , bhaskar ji always posted his chart as if his own chart and he declared always it is my chart and was mostly asking ppl to see some results when some one declares their observation as if he is some varhamihira ( means to challenge for a reading with that principle which some one trying to propogate ) or on occassions when discussing abt some thing which has no acceptance generaly and the person acts as if he knows every thing i dont remebr any situation ( may b i am wrong as i am less frequent in net forums other than AIA and Jyothish ganga ( recently ) now a days .) he was looking for predictions .Even if there is occassions he asked for a prediction ,it will b direct ( with all past records of him i can say it Boldly ) and what else other astrologer needs ?? is it not even a recognition for him to those whom the query is adressed ??Astrologer s when in distress can ask questions to fellow astrologers And there is no harm in it ,and it is generaly done out of the grps and in personal mails or chats sure ,but with a real intention and we also used to discuss our own charts offline with many ppl ,may b to get an answer or may b to get some confirmations or even may b to discuss some thing which we find in other persons chart and we feels it is nearing and need to warn him tho it need not happen .But in a grp while some discussions going on we nevr posts such requests directly or indirectly (because every real astrologer in net and in grps is already fed up with the numbr of queries daily pouring to his mail box ,even Karthaviraya arjun (a indian mytholigical king who has 2000 hands ) cannot do all chart readings for all queries by making charts which is coming to his box ) And some after getting predictions wants chat s then tele call s and it will go on uneding and we hav only 24 hrs available in a day )Main problem is clarifications ,they will b well prepared as they know their charts thoroughly ,and ready well reserched as if they r appearing some PHD ,so u can imagine the plight of astrologer and the time he needs to spent because they will b asking questions based on all 100s ofclassics hora texts available in market and net ,then u need to say why u r seeing this way than parasara ,jaimini ,garga to unlimited numbr of self delcared experts in nets and blogs ,this question will b there for each sentence of u ,u utter as predictions so we r coming to grps for relaxing than again seeing charts and readings ,same time some r also looking for some charts which can giv us some trill so long as the query is honest and direct as no astrologer wanted to giv his brain again some over work .i will conclude with a mail posted to me by my un declared student ( he calls himself as my student tho i used to answer him some doubts when ever i hav free time ) i will copy the mail as i cannot post the mail i was trying to read the chart posted by bohra ji ----under discussion Mangal dosha----------,This is my readings -------------- but i am sure there is some thing fishy here in post pls see My prashna Natal Chart June 10, 2009Time: 21:55:32Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00" Delhi, India--------------------------------i would like to know wat u feel abt it ,------------------------------rgrds ---------------------( some part of the mail is edited by me to conceal the identity aa there is some other discussion also was in mail ) rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear all,> > Mr. Bohra has written,> > " Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his> chart,as> Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What> is harm> in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his> treatments "> > Let me clear this. Not a single astrologer on the Jyotish groups has> ever made a true prediction to me till date about my chart. I mostly> present my chart alongwith the events which have happened in my Life and> also the astrological reasons for same, just so that all can learn from> my sharing. It is rarely that I may have presented my chart for> predictions, because I do not even believe my own Teachers for> predictions, but Just GOD and myself. I know for sure that there are> only 3-4 astrologers in India, who can be termed as very Good, and they> are certainly not on these Groups.> > This foolish man is now equating me with his own submissions of his> chart, which is unacceptable.> > The best astrologers can be found only on KP Groups and there also they> have been explained and taught by me how to predict for the Nodes, and> this guy is talking that I need predictions by presenting my chart ?> > Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with a> empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people> who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the> hungry ?> > What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to> such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around> with their own charts ???> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "msbohra62"> msbohra62@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> >> > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human> nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a> astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer> his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical> application of astrological rules.> >> > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of> any rule ?How we will learn the real application.> >> > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination in> "Janam" chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture> can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given> the data.> >> > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his> chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i> know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other> Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free> predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your> predictions.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> >> >> >> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Bohra Ji> > >> > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs> > >> > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than> > > directed to u )> > >> > > u said> > > ####> > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final> > > conclusion.> > >> > > ###############> > >> > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here ,Even> we r> > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some> predictions> > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i assume> it> > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which can> > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for> discuss> > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which> > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology> > >> > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may not> b> > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness> and a> > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or> doesnot> > > know .> > >> > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and> declare> > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken with> > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to> create> > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss> > > astrology .> > >> > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every> one> > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare> final> > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the> reason> > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the> rishi> > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and> understand it> > >> > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction> > >> > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart> with> > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha ,and> see> > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan> and> > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in net> ???> > >> > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation and> > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who> > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the lagna> > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us questions> )> > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing his> > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana> > >> > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after> all> > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for> astrology> > > [] )> > >> > >> > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who> ever> > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried that> > > they dont get any predictions .> > >> > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of other> > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of whole> > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums> > > independently .> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal> basic> > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi> )raja> > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here> > >> > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in> classics> > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in> lagna> > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film industry> and> > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure> this> > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers> > >> > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "msbohra62"> > > <msbohra62@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji,> > > >> > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line of> > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible.> > > >> > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have> Pisces> > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house and> rahu> > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as :> > > >> > > > DOB : 7.02.1962> > > > TOB : 10:15 AM> > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00> > > >> > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji,> > > >> > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is well> > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not> good> > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in> the> > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver "A"> > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and> sister> > > they have some hard time on money matter.> > > >> > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to> earn> > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle> class> > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He> is> > > happy with their family and wife.> > > >> > > > Vijay Goyal ji,> > > >> > > > He is not as like "Joru ka Gulam" at all.He is dominating in> nature> > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his> wife> > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally.> > > >> > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn> combination is> > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa> materalised> > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year> married> > > life.> > > >> > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final> > > conclusion.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2009 Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji, Thank You for clarifying the matter. ( You work very late as I can see the timings of Your post). I could sense something intuitively when he first posted his details that something was wrong somewhere and I must not waste my time on too much study on that chart. Later on that got confirmed when you mentioned that You have got another timings of the same date and place of birth which is morning. Same was confirmed by Neelamji. This fact when known makes a person angry because then the chart presented with some inputs for discussion ( Wealth from in laws) looses its value. As you rightly mentioned time available to us in a day is limited and must not be frittered away on non-serious discussions. That is the precise reason when someone presents a chart saying it as unique and looks for discussion, I keep distance. I have always presented my chart with details of events, just for sharing and learning purpose and to bring out facts of Jyotish. Thank you for confirming this .Unfortunately though I have done this many times in AIA none has come forward to confirm this, except Your goodself. Thanks. Love and regards, Bhaskar. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > dear Bhaskar ji and Bohra ji > > Bohra ji Posted the data in tread as if it is a Known chart ( which > is innocent ) > > but i can say some intention was not direct ,because even he can post > his own chart ( directly saying it is mine --sure some ppl r not ready > to disclose it but they shud also ready to accept that the predictions ( > if they expect any ) in such cases goes ashtray ) which has same > planetary configarations or both charts for discussion because we r sure > that both of them will not hav same marital life exprnce ,same kind of > gifts pouring in or same numbr of kids etc ,( even the twins diffr each > other in destiny ,even i find one is married and other is bachelor ,even > among identical same gender twins ) which wud hav added more flavour to > the discussions . > > Now let me tell some facts .There is big diffrnce when ppl speaks truth > ( here i am not saying Bohra ji was telling lies ,Those who realy > mastered the subjuct not frm nets and blogs know s the diffrnce ,The > truth will guide them to truth ,because when u choose to say some thing > which is partial truth ,the astrologer who wanted to help u will not get > devine guidance ,The inexprnced once will b muse at himself why he has > some blocks in his own judgmnts( it will b felt to him the moment he > opens the chart ) where as exprnced astrologer who has his gurus > guidance will easily understand this problem .And will say some excuse > and get outs of discussions . > > Again Think abt this scenario --when some astrologer while trying to > answer some charts remebrs some thing like some one posted diffrnt time > tags with same dates b4 also but cant decide what is it while he > trying to answer for some query ,the doubts and suspicions will not > allow him to predict correctly > > We shud accept that within same Lagna frame of 2 hrs ( atleast in all > over india generaly ) there may b 10s of dozns of birth s and even in a > city may b more than 2 births atleast ,i am not familiar with govmnt > records ,but saying frm my own understanding .So pls think b4 posing > challenges if some one learned astrology how far we can tell correctly > when same charts of real living persons is produced in frnd of u or > think abt this some 12 persons are visiting one astrologer with same > chart in same day same hr . > > Now abt bhaskar ji > > if my memory is correct Bhaskar ji has posted his charts many times in > net , bhaskar ji always posted his chart as if his own chart and he > declared always it is my chart and was mostly asking ppl to see some > results when some one declares their observation as if he is some > varhamihira ( means to challenge for a reading with that principle > which some one trying to propogate ) > > or on occassions when discussing abt some thing which has no acceptance > generaly and the person acts as if he knows every thing > > i dont remebr any situation ( may b i am wrong as i am less frequent in > net forums other than AIA and Jyothish ganga ( recently ) now a days ..) > he was looking for predictions .Even if there is occassions he asked for > a prediction ,it will b direct ( with all past records of him i can say > it Boldly ) and what else other astrologer needs ?? is it not even a > recognition for him to those whom the query is adressed ?? > > Astrologer s when in distress can ask questions to fellow astrologers > And there is no harm in it ,and it is generaly done out of the grps and > in personal mails or chats > > sure ,but with a real intention and we also used to discuss our own > charts offline with many ppl ,may b to get an answer or may b to get > some confirmations or even may b to discuss some thing which we find in > other persons chart and we feels it is nearing and need to warn him tho > it need not happen . > > But in a grp while some discussions going on we nevr posts such requests > directly or indirectly > > (because every real astrologer in net and in grps is already fed > up with the numbr of queries daily pouring to his mail box ,even > Karthaviraya arjun (a indian mytholigical king who has 2000 hands ) > cannot do all chart readings for all queries by making charts which is > coming to his box ) And some after getting predictions wants chat s > then tele call s and it will go on uneding and we hav only 24 hrs > available in a day ) > > Main problem is clarifications ,they will b well prepared as they know > their charts thoroughly ,and ready well reserched as if they r > appearing some PHD ,so u can imagine the plight of astrologer and the > time he needs to spent because they will b asking questions based on all > 100s ofclassics hora texts available in market and net ,then u need to > say why u r seeing this way than parasara ,jaimini ,garga to unlimited > numbr of self delcared experts in nets and blogs ,this question will b > there for each sentence of u ,u utter as predictions > > so we r coming to grps for relaxing than again seeing charts and > readings ,same time some r also looking for some charts which can giv > us some trill so long as the query is honest and direct as no astrologer > wanted to giv his brain again some over work . > > i will conclude with a mail posted to me by my un declared student ( he > calls himself as my student tho i used to answer him some doubts when > ever i hav free time ) > > i will copy the mail as i cannot post the mail > > > > ------\ \ > ------i was trying to read the chart posted by bohra ji ----under > discussion Mangal dosha----------,This is my readings -------------- but > i am sure there is some thing fishy here in post > > > pls see My prashna > > > > Natal Chart > > June 10, 2009 > Time: 21:55:32 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 " > Delhi, India > -------------------------------- > > i would like to know wat u feel abt it ,------------------------------ > > rgrds --------------------- > > ( some part of the mail is edited by me to conceal the identity aa there > is some other discussion also was in mail ) > > rgrds sunil nair , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Mr. Bohra has written, > > > > " Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his > > chart,as > > Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What > > is harm > > in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his > > treatments " > > > > Let me clear this. Not a single astrologer on the Jyotish groups has > > ever made a true prediction to me till date about my chart. I mostly > > present my chart alongwith the events which have happened in my Life > and > > also the astrological reasons for same, just so that all can learn > from > > my sharing. It is rarely that I may have presented my chart for > > predictions, because I do not even believe my own Teachers for > > predictions, but Just GOD and myself. I know for sure that there are > > only 3-4 astrologers in India, who can be termed as very Good, and > they > > are certainly not on these Groups. > > > > This foolish man is now equating me with his own submissions of his > > chart, which is unacceptable. > > > > The best astrologers can be found only on KP Groups and there also > they > > have been explained and taught by me how to predict for the Nodes, and > > this guy is talking that I need predictions by presenting my chart ? > > > > Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with > a > > empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people > > who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the > > hungry ? > > > > What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to > > such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around > > with their own charts ??? > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > msbohra62@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human > > nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a > > astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer > > his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical > > application of astrological rules. > > > > > > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of > > any rule ?How we will learn the real application. > > > > > > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination > in > > " Janam " chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture > > can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given > > the data. > > > > > > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his > > chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i > > know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other > > Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free > > predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your > > predictions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs > > > > > > > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than > > > > directed to u ) > > > > > > > > u said > > > > #### > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > ############### > > > > > > > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here > ,Even > > we r > > > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some > > predictions > > > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i > assume > > it > > > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which > can > > > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for > > discuss > > > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which > > > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology > > > > > > > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may > not > > b > > > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness > > and a > > > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or > > doesnot > > > > know . > > > > > > > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and > > declare > > > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken > with > > > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to > > create > > > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss > > > > astrology . > > > > > > > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every > > one > > > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare > > final > > > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the > > reason > > > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the > > rishi > > > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and > > understand it > > > > > > > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction > > > > > > > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart > > with > > > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha > ,and > > see > > > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan > > and > > > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in > net > > ??? > > > > > > > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation > and > > > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who > > > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the > lagna > > > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us > questions > > ) > > > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing > his > > > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana > > > > > > > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after > > all > > > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for > > astrology > > > > [] ) > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who > > ever > > > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried > that > > > > they dont get any predictions . > > > > > > > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of > other > > > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of > whole > > > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums > > > > independently . > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal > > basic > > > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi > > )raja > > > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here > > > > > > > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in > > classics > > > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in > > lagna > > > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film > industry > > and > > > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart ..Sure > > this > > > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers > > > > > > > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line > of > > > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have > > Pisces > > > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house > and > > rahu > > > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > > > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > > > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > > > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is > well > > > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not > > good > > > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in > > the > > > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver > " A " > > > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and > > sister > > > > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > > > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to > > earn > > > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle > > class > > > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He > > is > > > > happy with their family and wife. > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > > > > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in > > nature > > > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his > > wife > > > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > > > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn > > combination is > > > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa > > materalised > > > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year > > married > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, I am here in forum for knowledge gain if I can learn by any one.Entering the forum is not a born time of any astrologer,similarly he get the introduction of other astrologer of the forum.Than same rule have to apply for them also,they also born at the same time.For me Mr.Bhaskar is also six month old student of astrology. I have started the threat here about the classic reference about 11th house,where classics says in 11th house every planet give benefice result and I have seven planets in 11th house.What are the real result which practically well known to me,so i have posted my birth data.When you dose not know any one you will not like to disclose your every thing to every one.After getting some confidence than you open gradual At so many astrological forum are active,what stuff of knowledgeable members they have, how you will judge ?If you real master than you will asked the question whose answers you know very well,out come will tell you whom to expect some knowledge.I have did the same. Recent data of night born person was posted for current topic of Mangal Dosa(Because you asked for the any data) where my(day time born) data is not having this planetary position than where is need to post the same here with ?Because of Neeam ji post and your confusion i have posted second data to clear the confusions.On both chart i have not asked any queries but given the references and details of native when you asked me for that.If Mr.bhaskar presume so many things than he have some intentions behind all. You have well defend Mr.Bhaskar because of your old association with him,indirectly " Apne taraju ki dandi unke hi paksh me mari " .It is well expected by me at this forum,some other will also active gradually. For your kind information Mr.Bhaskar have well discussed his chart with me at this forum,now he will cunningly say it is for others knowledge or testing the my stuff of knowledge and announce that I have nothing knowledge.It's all his practise,I am not in a need to get any certificate from him .See the language of his post.Can you expect a man can use this type of language who are in the " divine " field and any divine force will help these type of person ? At KP astrology forum people are noble with me where Mr.Bhaskar have tried to create a issue for me but failed.Mr.Punit him self have said me to participate in blind chart analysis as per my knowledge of traditional astrology,where i am learner of KP system.As a prof i can paste here his mail's copy if you or anybody wants to see that.All the seniors of KP forum know me very well as a respectable member,you can asked any one about me. Mr.Bhaskar many times said that he is active in politics same tactics he apply every were but others can judge well him.I have no issue with him but he try to make a issue whenever he get the opportunity to do.If he will offence than he will get the answer. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > dear Bhaskar ji and Bohra ji > > Bohra ji Posted the data in tread as if it is a Known chart ( which > is innocent ) > > but i can say some intention was not direct ,because even he can post > his own chart ( directly saying it is mine --sure some ppl r not ready > to disclose it but they shud also ready to accept that the predictions ( > if they expect any ) in such cases goes ashtray ) which has same > planetary configarations or both charts for discussion because we r sure > that both of them will not hav same marital life exprnce ,same kind of > gifts pouring in or same numbr of kids etc ,( even the twins diffr each > other in destiny ,even i find one is married and other is bachelor ,even > among identical same gender twins ) which wud hav added more flavour to > the discussions . > > Now let me tell some facts .There is big diffrnce when ppl speaks truth > ( here i am not saying Bohra ji was telling lies ,Those who realy > mastered the subjuct not frm nets and blogs know s the diffrnce ,The > truth will guide them to truth ,because when u choose to say some thing > which is partial truth ,the astrologer who wanted to help u will not get > devine guidance ,The inexprnced once will b muse at himself why he has > some blocks in his own judgmnts( it will b felt to him the moment he > opens the chart ) where as exprnced astrologer who has his gurus > guidance will easily understand this problem .And will say some excuse > and get outs of discussions . > > Again Think abt this scenario --when some astrologer while trying to > answer some charts remebrs some thing like some one posted diffrnt time > tags with same dates b4 also but cant decide what is it while he > trying to answer for some query ,the doubts and suspicions will not > allow him to predict correctly > > We shud accept that within same Lagna frame of 2 hrs ( atleast in all > over india generaly ) there may b 10s of dozns of birth s and even in a > city may b more than 2 births atleast ,i am not familiar with govmnt > records ,but saying frm my own understanding .So pls think b4 posing > challenges if some one learned astrology how far we can tell correctly > when same charts of real living persons is produced in frnd of u or > think abt this some 12 persons are visiting one astrologer with same > chart in same day same hr . > > Now abt bhaskar ji > > if my memory is correct Bhaskar ji has posted his charts many times in > net , bhaskar ji always posted his chart as if his own chart and he > declared always it is my chart and was mostly asking ppl to see some > results when some one declares their observation as if he is some > varhamihira ( means to challenge for a reading with that principle > which some one trying to propogate ) > > or on occassions when discussing abt some thing which has no acceptance > generaly and the person acts as if he knows every thing > > i dont remebr any situation ( may b i am wrong as i am less frequent in > net forums other than AIA and Jyothish ganga ( recently ) now a days .) > he was looking for predictions .Even if there is occassions he asked for > a prediction ,it will b direct ( with all past records of him i can say > it Boldly ) and what else other astrologer needs ?? is it not even a > recognition for him to those whom the query is adressed ?? > > Astrologer s when in distress can ask questions to fellow astrologers > And there is no harm in it ,and it is generaly done out of the grps and > in personal mails or chats > > sure ,but with a real intention and we also used to discuss our own > charts offline with many ppl ,may b to get an answer or may b to get > some confirmations or even may b to discuss some thing which we find in > other persons chart and we feels it is nearing and need to warn him tho > it need not happen . > > But in a grp while some discussions going on we nevr posts such requests > directly or indirectly > > (because every real astrologer in net and in grps is already fed > up with the numbr of queries daily pouring to his mail box ,even > Karthaviraya arjun (a indian mytholigical king who has 2000 hands ) > cannot do all chart readings for all queries by making charts which is > coming to his box ) And some after getting predictions wants chat s > then tele call s and it will go on uneding and we hav only 24 hrs > available in a day ) > > Main problem is clarifications ,they will b well prepared as they know > their charts thoroughly ,and ready well reserched as if they r > appearing some PHD ,so u can imagine the plight of astrologer and the > time he needs to spent because they will b asking questions based on all > 100s ofclassics hora texts available in market and net ,then u need to > say why u r seeing this way than parasara ,jaimini ,garga to unlimited > numbr of self delcared experts in nets and blogs ,this question will b > there for each sentence of u ,u utter as predictions > > so we r coming to grps for relaxing than again seeing charts and > readings ,same time some r also looking for some charts which can giv > us some trill so long as the query is honest and direct as no astrologer > wanted to giv his brain again some over work . > > i will conclude with a mail posted to me by my un declared student ( he > calls himself as my student tho i used to answer him some doubts when > ever i hav free time ) > > i will copy the mail as i cannot post the mail > > > > ------\ > ------i was trying to read the chart posted by bohra ji ----under > discussion Mangal dosha----------,This is my readings -------------- but > i am sure there is some thing fishy here in post > > > pls see My prashna > > > > Natal Chart > > June 10, 2009 > Time: 21:55:32 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 " > Delhi, India > -------------------------------- > > i would like to know wat u feel abt it ,------------------------------ > > rgrds --------------------- > > ( some part of the mail is edited by me to conceal the identity aa there > is some other discussion also was in mail ) > > rgrds sunil nair , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Mr. Bohra has written, > > > > " Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his > > chart,as > > Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i know.What > > is harm > > in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other Doctor for his > > treatments " > > > > Let me clear this. Not a single astrologer on the Jyotish groups has > > ever made a true prediction to me till date about my chart. I mostly > > present my chart alongwith the events which have happened in my Life > and > > also the astrological reasons for same, just so that all can learn > from > > my sharing. It is rarely that I may have presented my chart for > > predictions, because I do not even believe my own Teachers for > > predictions, but Just GOD and myself. I know for sure that there are > > only 3-4 astrologers in India, who can be termed as very Good, and > they > > are certainly not on these Groups. > > > > This foolish man is now equating me with his own submissions of his > > chart, which is unacceptable. > > > > The best astrologers can be found only on KP Groups and there also > they > > have been explained and taught by me how to predict for the Nodes, and > > this guy is talking that I need predictions by presenting my chart ? > > > > Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with > a > > empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people > > who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the > > hungry ? > > > > What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to > > such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around > > with their own charts ??? > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > msbohra62@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > Ever person wants know his future well in advance it is human > > nature,astrologer is not above to this nature.Their is no harm if a > > astrologer provide his chart for a particular threat,as Manoj ji offer > > his chart.It can give the opportunity to understand the practical > > application of astrological rules. > > > > > > Without a practical chart how you will find the real application of > > any rule ?How we will learn the real application. > > > > > > As most of people are very feared by some astrological combination > in > > " Janam " chart(Ascendant)where it is only some big picture,real picture > > can be seen by Navmansa and other vargas.For that purpose i have given > > the data. > > > > > > Many times Astrologer him self wants to know others opinions on his > > chart,as Mr.Bhaskar have posted his birth data at every forum which i > > know.What is harm in ? Many times a Doctor him self consult with other > > Doctor for his treatments .It is not a big issue as like free > > predication,if you don't like to predict than don't give your > > predictions. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur response and further feed backs > > > > > > > > but i would like to correct u ( pls take it as general messge than > > > > directed to u ) > > > > > > > > u said > > > > #### > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > ############### > > > > > > > > Let me make it clear ,we dont run any prediction service here > ,Even > > we r > > > > afraid of some one posting His own charts for getting some > > predictions > > > > in instalmnt basis ( which happened many times b4 in grp as i > assume > > it > > > > is as good as cheating on astrology a devine science -even which > can > > > > invite a curse of rishies ) ,as the main aim of this grp is for > > discuss > > > > astro-dictums esp old rishi Horas ,remov doubts or clouds which > > > > accumulated over years in the name of astrology > > > > > > > > many dictums which i posts ,i or any memebr in grp may b or may > not > > b > > > > fully conversant abt it .But i post to create a general awareness > > and a > > > > discussion in grp .it never reflects what the person knows or > > doesnot > > > > know . > > > > > > > > Even no one has time or inclination to study a full chart and > > declare > > > > results ,so any posting which carries such notions will b taken > with > > > > care than showing our expertise in grp as the aim of grp is to > > create > > > > awareness atleast among those who r willing to share and discuss > > > > astrology . > > > > > > > > so we expect posters giv feed Backs on discussed theme ,than every > > one > > > > sit whole day and declare results .So we hav less time to declare > > final > > > > conclusions as every chart is diffrnt and unique and that is the > > reason > > > > u cannot find any sample chart in any of the classics where as the > > rishi > > > > or muni leaves that part of job to others to digest it and > > understand it > > > > > > > > If u Know astro-classics u know whom shud b givn prediction > > > > > > > > There is so many pointers at the time of birth than simple chart > > with > > > > planetary degrees ,for exmple u refer ramayana and mahabharatha > ,and > > see > > > > Nimitta (omens and sakuns ) part at the time of birth of duryodhan > > and > > > > Ravan ,do u think it is availble for astrologers who sitting in > net > > ??? > > > > > > > > So failure or success in prediction depends on the co operation > and > > > > sincerity frm the part of queriest ( even i hav some queriests who > > > > themselvs fix their lagna as diffrnt one as they dont like the > lagna > > > > which shows according to their real birth time ,and ask us > questions > > ) > > > > .also if any astrologer is more successful it is simply showing > his > > > > merits and his blessing of gurus and strnght of his sadhana > > > > > > > > Pls refer more classics if my words seems to b greek for u ( after > > all > > > > AKK and his team s are propogating we indebted to greeks for > > astrology > > > > [] ) > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry if i am blunt here ,but this is messge for all persons who > > ever > > > > posts any charts when discussion is going on in grp and worried > that > > > > they dont get any predictions . > > > > > > > > Also no dictums working in isolation and it depends on lot of > other > > > > factors which is based on the total strnght ( or weakness ) of > whole > > > > chart where as we r discussing the dictums or so called dictums > > > > independently . > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > Ps --when ashta graha yogas or sapta graha yogas r there Normal > > basic > > > > rules need not work here ,as all parasari /jaimini (or any rishi > > )raja > > > > yogas and raja bhanga yoga s u can see same time working here > > > > > > > > So has to take diffrnt approach here ( sure clues are there in > > classics > > > > ) and i hav one client with similar chart ( he has all planets in > > lagna > > > > and rahu in 7th h ) who is a music director in mumbai film > industry > > and > > > > after some intitial blocks i cud get success with his chart .Sure > > this > > > > kind of chart is a test on astrology and astrologers > > > > > > > > i already giv hints in my earlier post with the chart u posted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " msbohra62 " > > > > <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Neelam ji, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry due to other occupation I could not continue on the line > of > > > > forum but i will reply as soon as possible. > > > > > > > > > > Yes Neelam ji is right,I have earlier posted a chart which have > > Pisces > > > > Ascendant and seven planet are in 11th house,Moon in 12th house > and > > rahu > > > > is in 5th house.That chaerts birth data is as : > > > > > > > > > > DOB : 7.02.1962 > > > > > TOB : 10:15 AM > > > > > POB : Jodhapur (Rajasthan )73E02'00 , 26N17'00 > > > > > > > > > > Sunil ji and Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > Earlier posted data of native who born in night at 23:50PM is > well > > > > settled as a profession he is Engineer(AEn.)his childhood is not > > good > > > > but not bad also because they are five brothers and one sister in > > the > > > > family and only his father was earning.Father was diesel Driver > " A " > > > > class in railway so earning was good but due to six brother and > > sister > > > > they have some hard time on money matter. > > > > > > > > > > He have three kids ,two son and one daughter.He have started to > > earn > > > > at the age of 21,build his own bungalow and having upper middle > > class > > > > stander of life.He never face any remarkable hurdal in his life.He > > is > > > > happy with their family and wife. > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goyal ji, > > > > > > > > > > He is not as like " Joru ka Gulam " at all.He is dominating in > > nature > > > > and aggressive very easily become angry,but he love and care his > > wife > > > > and respect her opinions on every matter.I know him personally. > > > > > > > > > > As this thread is for Mangal Dosa,some said Mars+Saturn > > combination is > > > > very bad but here in 4th house all the factors of this dosa > > materalised > > > > but their is no bad effects as said.He have more than 20 year > > married > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > We have to analyse deeply about all famous dosa before any final > > > > conclusion. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 12, 2009 Mr.Bhaskar, Your last two post are self explanatory about you self and you have stated , //Small kids entering the class rooms after 6 months roaming around with a empty Tiffin box, have the audacity to talk in strange tones to people who have their stomaches full, and who are giving free tiffins to the hungry ? What a state of affairs , resulting from offering free predictions to such buggers, who act as astrologers after 6 months of trotting around with their own charts ???// You are at the same position as you have stated in as above ,for me you are the same old as i old to you.You have asked many times to the members for your paid service not by me once,than who are with empty tiffin box ? M.S.bohra Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
