Mangal dosha

May 24, 2005

Jaya

Jagannatha

Dear

Gaurav,

What

rasi are you delineating from? Narada

Samhita states that a planet in its exaltation or mooltrikon or own delineated from Lagna,

Sun or Moon if well placed will yield the best, good and moderately good results.

The

simple thumb rule for planetary friendships are as

below:

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trikoá¹‡ÄtsÄá¹tyadhÄdharmÄyuá¸¥ sukhakhodyapaá¸¥ suhá¹›t|

jÄ«vo jÄ«vajÃ±au sitajÃ±au vyarkÄ vyÄrÄá¸¥ kramÄdamÄ«||55|25

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vÄ«ndvarkÄ vikujendvarkÄá¸¥ suhá¹›do nyeraverdhá¹›tÄá¸¥|

mithodhanavyayÄyatribandhuvyÄpÄragaá¸¥ suhá¹›t||55|26

dhyekÄnubhaktÄ mayÄn jÃ±ÄtvÄ miÅ›rÄ«dÄ«tsahajÄnmune|

matkÄlodhisuhá¹›nmitrapÅ«rvakÄnkalpayetpunaá¸¥||55|27

Friends

of a planet are lords of the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 8th,

9th and 12th rasis counted from

the moolatrikona and planets posited in the 2nd,

12th, 11th, 3rd, 4th and 10th

from one are his temporary friends. Friends of the 7 planets beginning with the

Sun are 1) Jupiter; 2) Jupiter and Mercury; 3) Venus and Mercury; 4) all

planets except the Sun; 5) all except Mars; 6) all except the Sun and Moon and

7) all except the Sun, Moon and Mars. Planets that are in the 2nd,

12th, 11th, 3rd, 4th and 10th

from one, are his temporary friends.

After

ascertaining the natural friends, enemies, neutrals, the temporary friends

should also be determined. A natural friend who also happens to be a temporary

friend becomes Adhimitra (intimate friend).

Similarly, a natural friend becomes a neutral if he has no temporary friendship.

A natural enemy who is a temporary friend would become neutral. A natural enemy

would become a bitter enemy. (ref. NP.II.55.25-27) ;

chart was provided by Ramapriya in a previous mail.

Take

your chart, look at the rasi: Mars is placed in. Mars

is 2nd from its MT = Friend. Venus is 2nd from it = Temp.

Friend= Adhimitra

In

the matters of marriage, look at 7th from Venus for love. 2nd from UL if with a benefic makes the marriage last.

For a female, read from her Mars (sexual prowess) or from the Sun. From her trimsamsa as well, read her 7th (for sexual

matters; includes fidelity). If aspected by more benefics, then expect the benefics

to surface more than the malfeasance than what Mars alone can do. Rahu for that matter has more insatiable sexual appetite than

Mars. In the matter of sexual prowess, what good is it if the manâ€™s Mars is

debilitated and hers is exalted? For this, you can look at the amsa lord in Navamsa, which gives

a snap comparison. The NS also tells us that if during the time of coition, if

her Mars is stronger, the result will give a female, despite the fact the

husband and wife may take precautions to gain a son (on her even days after her

menstrual cycle).

Love,

Swee

On Behalf Of yobrevol

Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:14

PM

[Jaya Jagannatha] mangal

dosha

Namaste,

The little my mind knows is as

follows:-

Marriage is an act of Dharma (perhaps

this is why we look at D9, Navamasa or the " 9th " division to learn

more closely about ones' self, spouse and marital life). In general afflictions

to the 9th house of dharma may indicate some/serious troubles in marriage.

1, 2, 4, 7, 8, 12 are houses related to

marriage/family life (w.r.t.lagna/moon). Now mars is a fiery planet which

causes disturbance in married life when positioned in any of these houses.

How does it do that can perhaps be

answered to some extent., excessive sexuality, anger leading to

extra-marital affairs by ones' self or the partner by its placement in 1st, 7,

or 12 houses. Constant quarrels and fights and even life threatening situations

on account of its placement in 2, 4, 8 houses. All these are threats to

conjugal bliss.

The question I ask is " why "

does mars behave is such a manner?

Natural 9th Zodiac sign is Sagittarius

owned by Deva guru Jupiter representing the dharma, so there is no surprise

that any association of Jupiter to the 7th house or its lord, or Mars (in case

of kujadosha) is marriage saving.

Having said that, I know very little to

be sure and ask all the learned to guide me.

namaste;

Gaurav Jain

May 25, 2005

Dear Swee,

Thought I should tell you that, for the first time, the devanagari and transliterated fonts appeared legibly within my browser window

Respects,

Ramapriya

ayirpamar

On 5/25/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote:

Jaya Jagannatha

Dear Gaurav,

What rasi are you delineating from? Narada Samhita states that a planet in its exaltation or mooltrikon or own delineated from Lagna, Sun or Moon if well placed will yield the best, good and moderately good results.

The simple thumb rule for planetary friendships are as below:

trikoá¹‡ÄtsÄá¹tyadhÄdharmÄyuá¸¥ sukhakhodyapaá¸¥ suhá¹›t|

jÄ«vo jÄ«vajÃ±au sitajÃ±au vyarkÄ vyÄrÄá¸¥ kramÄdamÄ«||55|25

vÄ«ndvarkÄ vikujendvarkÄá¸¥ suhá¹›do nyeraverdhá¹›tÄá¸¥|

mithodhanavyayÄyatribandhuvyÄpÄragaá¸¥ suhá¹›t||55|26

dhyekÄnubhaktÄ mayÄn jÃ±ÄtvÄ miÅ›rÄ«dÄ«tsahajÄnmune|

matkÄlodhisuhá¹›nmitrapÅ«rvakÄnkalpayetpunaá¸¥||55|27

June 28, 2008

Dear Sunil

Venus being lord of 12th house acting melaficaly for u and giving all kind of

worries, at least coming months are going to give some relief from job front.

Still I advise u to recite mahalaxmi ashtakam which u can download from the

file saction.

Pankaj Upadhyay

rahul m malhotra <rahul24_19_1975 wrote:

guruji,

I am suffering from various problems like debt, loss in business, domestic life

problem, clashes with wife on minor issues, no respect and honour.

please help me.

Date of birth - 4-1-1971

time - 4.50 a.m

place - ulhasnagar - mumbai

please tell me more about appointment with you.

regards

sunil asthana

09821361111

June 9, 2009

Dear Grp here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also, and today got reference According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in

any of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha

ends."any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??rgrds sunil nair

June 9, 2009

Dear Sunil Ji,

In my experience the dosha does not end, but, makes separation less likely

because of Saturn's influence. However, it also leads to more suffering. So it

depends on how you look at it. If you look at it from the perspective that

" marriages need to be saved no matter what, even at the expense of severe

emotional (and may be even physical) abuse from the spouse " , then this

combination makes it more likely that the person with this combination will stay

in the marriage despite such abuses. If in addittion to this combination, Saturn

also aspects the 7th lord or Venus then prolonged suffering without separation

is very likely (because Saturn loves the least common denominator life).

In short, this combination, in my humble opinion, does not reduce suffering and

hence does not dilute the Mangal dosha.

Regards,

-Manoj

________________________________

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Tuesday, June 9, 2009 11:48:20 AM

Mangal dosha

Dear Grp

here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also,

and today got reference

According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in any of the

houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha ends. "

any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

rgrds sunil nair

June 10, 2009

Dear Sunil Ji:

Mr. B.V. Raman in his book , " Muhurtha " goes into details about Kuja dosha. He

has given conditions under which Kuja dosha is canceled. (this book is available

free in the internet )

For example,Kuja dosha is cancelled if Mars in the seventh house in Cancer or

Capricon. So on so forth..

The So-called Kuja Dosha (excerpt from B.V. Raman's Book Muhurtha)

The position of Venus and Mars is very important in judging

marital relations. Mars whose element is fire rules marriage.

Where he is badly situated or associated in the horoscope of a

male or female, it follows that the sacerdotal fire gets

extinguished soon. Such unfavourable situation goes under the

name of Kuja Dosha.

It must be noted that in determining marriage adaptability

between two parties, there are several elements of much more

importance than Kuja Dosha. And the evil influences accuring

from the bad position of Mars is only one of the several

elements.

It is unfortunate that throughout South India especially in the

Tamil areas, much is made of the so-called Kuja Dosham and this

bugbear has been the means of destroying the happiness of many

families by preventing marriages otherwise very eligible and

anxiously wished for. So far as our humble experience goes it is

only in the Kerala Sastra that mention is made of Kuja Dosha.

The stanza runs thus: Dhana vyayecha pathale jamitre chashtame

kuja; Strinam bharthru vinasamcha bharthunam strivinasanam. This

means: - " If Mars is in the 2nd, 12th, 4th, 7th and 8th houses

in the horoscope of the female, the death of the husband will

occur; similar situation in the husband's horoscope causes the

death of wife. "

The Lagna represents body, the Moon, mind and Venus, sexual

relations. Therefore, the houses have to be reckoned with

reference to all the three, viz., Lagna, Moon and Venus. The

dosha (evil) is considered weak when it exists from Lagna, a

little stronger from the Moon and still more powerful from

Venus.

The second house signifies family; the twelth represents

comforts and pleasures of bed. The fourth rules sukha or

happiness. The seventh indicates husband and eighth represents

longevity of the wife or husband. Hence the position of Mars in

these houses is supposed to produce this peculiar dosham or

evil. If Kuja Dosham obtains in the horoscopes of both the bride

and bridegroom, the dosham gets cancelled. There are, of course,

many good combinations which assure marital felicity and much

importance need not be given to Kuja Dosham.

Granting that Kuja Dosham is a factor whose occurrence should

not be ignored, there are antidotes which are not generally

known to the rank and file of Hindu astrologers. The exceptions

are: Mars in the 2nd can be said to be bad provided such 2nd

house is any other than Gemini and Virgo; in the 12th the dosha

is produced when such 12th house is any other than Taurus and

Libra in the 4th house Mars causes dosha provided the house

falls in any sign other than Aries and Scorpio; when the 7th is

other than Capricorn and Cancer, the dosha is given rise to; and

Mars gives bad effects in the 8th, provided the 8th is any other

than Sagittarius and Pisces. In Aquarius and Leo, Mars produces

no dosha whatsoever. The dosha is counteracted by the

conjunction of Mars and Jupiter or Mars and the Moon; or by the

presence of Jupiter or Venus in the ascendant.

Thus, it will be seen that Kuja Dosha does not deserve that

consideration which is now being paid to it. In the

consideration of marriage adaptability there are various other

factors which should be carefully examined.

We have dealt above fairly exhaustively with the question of

marriage adaptability and have tried to avoid controversial

issues as the book is intended for the common man who wishes to

take advantage of the astrological rules to his benefit.

But as far as the conjunction of planets are concerned, he is of the opinion(in

another book) that only Moon and Jupiter in conjnction with Mars in Kuja dosha

gets somewhat rectified. He is somewhat ambivalent with respect to conjunction

of Rahu and Ketu with Mars. He does not mention anything about Saturn at all.

Regards,

anantha krishnan

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Mangal dosha

Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 2:48 PM

Dear Grp

here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also,

and today got reference

According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in

any of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha

ends. "

any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

rgrds sunil nair

June 10, 2009

Sunil ji,

Quite possible. Saturn + Mars in the 12th..... I know someone whose marriage

continues.... sometimes rough and sometimes calm as the vast ocean. Mars is

debilitated in his chart. They have been married now for 27 years after carrying

on for 9 years. No major mishaps other than usual husband-wife bickerings.

blessings,

Renu

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Dear Grp

>

> here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before

> also, and today got reference

>

> According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in any

> of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha ends. "

>

> any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

June 10, 2009

dear Manoj ji Thnks for ur post and opinions sure ,i am also of same opinion ,more over marital problems are my area of reserch ,so wants more liv charts and exprnce of other astro enthusiasts .if it is in 7th or 8th i think it is more dangerous i put those statemnt which is more famous in netastrology than traditional astrology for getting any liv examples and if others willing we can discuss in details ,also there is astrologers who r off opinion (even skeptics ) that even this mars dosha ( not mars+sat ) is more hyped by some astrologers and mars dosha dont exist at all ,so discuss this becomes very important .i recently got one chart where the wife has this combo in 7th and struggling like anything in life ,main problem is neglect by hubby and verbal abusing still marriage not broken but she is going tru hell But i am looking for that chart ( i forget where i stored it ) here is another chart of lady which me and neelam ji discussed ( offline ) on may 30thD.o.b: 06th Jan, 1982,

Place of Birth: Mumbai

Time: 12:45 pm(here is the content of mail --I am married for last 2 yrs s but I feel there

's sometime nothing is going proper between me and my marriage at times,we fight each other and don't speak with each other for weeks or days ,now also there's been

an argument between us and we are not beeen on speaking terms with each since

week past,i am worried where this is leading ??)I am waiting for others opinions and if any chart we can discussrgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > In my experience the dosha does not end, but, makes separation less likely because of Saturn's influence. However, it also leads to more suffering. So it depends on how you look at it. If you look at it from the perspective that "marriages need to be saved no matter what, even at the expense of severe emotional (and may be even physical) abuse from the spouse", then this combination makes it more likely that the person with this combination will stay in the marriage despite such abuses. If in addittion to this combination, Saturn also aspects the 7th lord or Venus then prolonged suffering without separation is very likely (because Saturn loves the least common denominator life).> > In short, this combination, in my humble opinion, does not reduce suffering and hence does not dilute the Mangal dosha.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Tuesday, June 9, 2009 11:48:20 AM> Mangal dosha> > > > Dear Grp> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also, and today got reference> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in any of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha ends."> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??> > > rgrds sunil nair>

June 10, 2009

Dear Anantha krishnan ji sure ,Thanks for ur mail ,it was wondeful postI am aware of this ,But wanted to discuss the said dictum in details with known and verfiable charts so we will hav our own exprnced Knowledge for such charts so if u hav any such charts ( who has Mangal dosha +with sat in yuti or aspects ,or sat with another maelfics in 1/2/4/7/8/12 Houses charts )let us see how other memebrs has to say abt it ??thanking u once again for participating and giving as Gr8 mail regrds sunil nair , Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_98 wrote:>> Dear Sunil Ji:> Mr. B.V. Raman in his book , "Muhurtha" goes into details about Kuja dosha. He has given conditions under which Kuja dosha is canceled. (this book is available free in the internet )> For example,Kuja dosha is cancelled if Mars in the seventh house in Cancer or Capricon. So on so forth..> The So-called Kuja Dosha (excerpt from B.V. Raman's Book Muhurtha)> > > The position of Venus and Mars is very important in judging> marital relations. Mars whose element is fire rules marriage.> Where he is badly situated or associated in the horoscope of a> male or female, it follows that the sacerdotal fire gets> extinguished soon. Such unfavourable situation goes under the> name of Kuja Dosha.> > It must be noted that in determining marriage adaptability> between two parties, there are several elements of much more> importance than Kuja Dosha. And the evil influences accuring> from the bad position of Mars is only one of the several> elements.> > It is unfortunate that throughout South India especially in the> Tamil areas, much is made of the so-called Kuja Dosham and this> bugbear has been the means of destroying the happiness of many> families by preventing marriages otherwise very eligible and> anxiously wished for. So far as our humble experience goes it is> only in the Kerala Sastra that mention is made of Kuja Dosha.> The stanza runs thus: Dhana vyayecha pathale jamitre chashtame> kuja; Strinam bharthru vinasamcha bharthunam strivinasanam. This> means: - "If Mars is in the 2nd, 12th, 4th, 7th and 8th houses> in the horoscope of the female, the death of the husband will> occur; similar situation in the husband's horoscope causes the> death of wife."> > The Lagna represents body, the Moon, mind and Venus, sexual> relations. Therefore, the houses have to be reckoned with> reference to all the three, viz., Lagna, Moon and Venus. The> dosha (evil) is considered weak when it exists from Lagna, a> little stronger from the Moon and still more powerful from> Venus.> > The second house signifies family; the twelth represents> comforts and pleasures of bed. The fourth rules sukha or> happiness. The seventh indicates husband and eighth represents> longevity of the wife or husband. Hence the position of Mars in> these houses is supposed to produce this peculiar dosham or> evil. If Kuja Dosham obtains in the horoscopes of both the bride> and bridegroom, the dosham gets cancelled. There are, of course,> many good combinations which assure marital felicity and much> importance need not be given to Kuja Dosham.> > Granting that Kuja Dosham is a factor whose occurrence should> not be ignored, there are antidotes which are not generally> known to the rank and file of Hindu astrologers. The exceptions> are: Mars in the 2nd can be said to be bad provided such 2nd> house is any other than Gemini and Virgo; in the 12th the dosha> is produced when such 12th house is any other than Taurus and> Libra in the 4th house Mars causes dosha provided the house> falls in any sign other than Aries and Scorpio; when the 7th is> other than Capricorn and Cancer, the dosha is given rise to; and> Mars gives bad effects in the 8th, provided the 8th is any other> than Sagittarius and Pisces. In Aquarius and Leo, Mars produces> no dosha whatsoever. The dosha is counteracted by the> conjunction of Mars and Jupiter or Mars and the Moon; or by the> presence of Jupiter or Venus in the ascendant.> > Thus, it will be seen that Kuja Dosha does not deserve that> consideration which is now being paid to it. In the> consideration of marriage adaptability there are various other> factors which should be carefully examined.> > We have dealt above fairly exhaustively with the question of> marriage adaptability and have tried to avoid controversial> issues as the book is intended for the common man who wishes to> take advantage of the astrological rules to his benefit.> > > But as far as the conjunction of planets are concerned, he is of the opinion(in another book) that only Moon and Jupiter in conjnction with Mars in Kuja dosha gets somewhat rectified. He is somewhat ambivalent with respect to conjunction of Rahu and Ketu with Mars. He does not mention anything about Saturn at all.> Regards,> anantha krishnan> > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Mangal dosha> > Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 2:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Grp> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also, and today got reference> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in> any of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha> ends."> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??> > > rgrds sunil nair>

June 10, 2009

Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji,

In my humble opinion, that rule (Mars in Capricon, Mars in Cancer) does not work. It leaves a clear mark on the married life of the native. It is possible that such a dosha is slightly less virulent but several other things have to be considered. For example if the Kuja dosha occurs from all three areas (Ascendant, Moon and Venus) then such a dosha is surely virulent, no matter which house Mars is situated in.

As regards to conjunction with Saturn, it is logical to think that an aggressive and fiery planet like Mars when in conjunction with a restrictive planet like Saturn, does infact restricts its destructive capability. However, since Kuja Dosha occurs in such sensitive points in the chart, having Saturn in those points is not healthy for the relationship. While as Raman Ji had suggested, Mangal dosha might be overemphasized at some parts of India, I dont think any "cancellation" completely negates its effect on relationships.

-Manoj

June 10, 2009

Dear renu ji sure ,we discussed those charts several times offline even the cpls charts both has some allevating features and the dosha is cancelled to a major extent .Here it is confirming the need for Dosha samyam ( matching of malefic planets ) in marriage matching tho may b that charts ( which we discussed ) may not matched properly ( as it was a marriage of choice than traditional chart matched marriage ) b4 marriage but there is some matching happened .Dosha samya need not help to bring full quality and happiness in married life as our birth chart is result of our prarabda karma and some of it we hav to suffer in this birth But marriage is oftn our choice so we can use astrology to full extent in many cases thanks for ur mailrgrds sunil nair , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Sunil ji,> > Quite possible. Saturn + Mars in the 12th..... I know someone whose marriage continues.... sometimes rough and sometimes calm as the vast ocean. Mars is debilitated in his chart. They have been married now for 27 years after carrying on for 9 years. No major mishaps other than usual husband-wife bickerings.> > blessings,> > Renu> > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Grp> > > > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before> > also, and today got reference> > > > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in any> > of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha ends."> > > > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> >>

June 10, 2009

Dear manoj chandran ji many thanks for further additions to discussion i also agree with u to a large extent Dosha is a dosha ,even the maelfics are lagna lords if it is in 4th house ( House of marital happiness ) it can play havoc ,it is wat i seen in many charts ,sure we hav to see frm the 3 points ( Lagna ,moon and venus ) to declare full results rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji,> > In my humble opinion, that rule (Mars in Capricon, Mars in Cancer) does not work. It leaves a clear mark on the married life of the native. It is possible that such a dosha is slightly less virulent but several other things have to be considered. For example if the Kuja dosha occurs from all three areas (Ascendant, Moon and Venus) then such a dosha is surely virulent, no matter which house Mars is situated in.> > As regards to conjunction with Saturn, it is logical to think that an aggressive and fiery planet like Mars when in conjunction with a restrictive planet like Saturn, does infact restricts its destructive capability. However, since Kuja Dosha occurs in such sensitive points in the chart, having Saturn in those points is not healthy for the relationship. While as Raman Ji had suggested, Mangal dosha might be overemphasized at some parts of India, I dont think any "cancellation" completely negates its effect on relationships.> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> Anantha Krishnan anantha_krishnan_98 > Tuesday, June 9, 2009 7:08:22 PM> Re: Mangal dosha> > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji:> Mr.. B.V. Raman in his book , "Muhurtha" goes into details about Kuja dosha. He has given conditions under which Kuja dosha is canceled. (this book is available free in the internet )> For example,Kuja dosha is cancelled if Mars in the seventh house in Cancer or Capricon. So on so forth..> The So-called Kuja Dosha (excerpt from B.V. Raman's Book Muhurtha)> > The position of Venus and Mars is very important in judging> marital relations. Mars whose element is fire rules marriage.> Where he is badly situated or associated in the horoscope of a> male or female, it follows that the sacerdotal fire gets> extinguished soon. Such unfavourable situation goes under the> name of Kuja Dosha.> > It must be noted that in determining marriage adaptability> between two parties, there are several elements of much more> importance than Kuja Dosha. And the evil influences accuring> from the bad position of Mars is only one of the several> elements.> > It is unfortunate that throughout South India especially in the> Tamil areas, much is made of the so-called Kuja Dosham and this> bugbear has been the means of destroying the happiness of many> families by preventing marriages otherwise very eligible and> anxiously wished for. So far as our humble experience goes it is> only in the Kerala Sastra that mention is made of Kuja Dosha.> The stanza runs thus: Dhana vyayecha pathale jamitre chashtame> kuja; Strinam bharthru vinasamcha bharthunam strivinasanam. This> means: - "If Mars is in the 2nd, 12th, 4th, 7th and 8th houses> in the horoscope of the female, the death of the husband will> occur; similar situation in the husband's horoscope causes the> death of wife."> > The Lagna represents body, the Moon, mind and Venus, sexual> relations. Therefore, the houses have to be reckoned with> reference to all the three, viz., Lagna, Moon and Venus. The> dosha (evil) is considered weak when it exists from Lagna, a> little stronger from the Moon and still more powerful from> Venus.> > The second house signifies family; the twelth represents> comforts and pleasures of bed. The fourth rules sukha or> happiness. The seventh indicates husband and eighth represents> longevity of the wife or husband. Hence the position of Mars in> these houses is supposed to produce this peculiar dosham or> evil. If Kuja Dosham obtains in the horoscopes of both the bride> and bridegroom, the dosham gets cancelled. There are, of course,> many good combinations which assure marital felicity and much> importance need not be given to Kuja Dosham.> > Granting that Kuja Dosham is a factor whose occurrence should> not be ignored, there are antidotes which are not generally> known to the rank and file of Hindu astrologers. The exceptions> are: Mars in the 2nd can be said to be bad provided such 2nd> house is any other than Gemini and Virgo; in the 12th the dosha> is produced when such 12th house is any other than Taurus and> Libra in the 4th house Mars causes dosha provided the house> falls in any sign other than Aries and Scorpio; when the 7th is> other than Capricorn and Cancer, the dosha is given rise to; and> Mars gives bad effects in the 8th, provided the 8th is any other> than Sagittarius and Pisces. In Aquarius and Leo, Mars produces> no dosha whatsoever. The dosha is counteracted by the> conjunction of Mars and Jupiter or Mars and the Moon; or by the> presence of Jupiter or Venus in the ascendant.> > Thus, it will be seen that Kuja Dosha does not deserve that> consideration which is now being paid to it. In the> consideration of marriage adaptability there are various other> factors which should be carefully examined.> > We have dealt above fairly exhaustively with the question of> marriage adaptability and have tried to avoid controversial> issues as the book is intended for the common man who wishes to> take advantage of the astrological rules to his benefit.> > But as far as the conjunction of planets are concerned, he is of the opinion(in another book) that only Moon and Jupiter in conjnction with Mars in Kuja dosha gets somewhat rectified. He is somewhat ambivalent with respect to conjunction of Rahu and Ketu with Mars. He does not mention anything about Saturn at all.> Regards,> anantha krishnan> > --- On Tue, 6/9/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Mangal dosha> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 2:48 PM> > Dear Grp> > here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also, and today got reference> > According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash,"If Saturn is placed with Mars in> any of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha> ends."> > any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??> > rgrds sunil nair>

June 10, 2009

Respected Sh.Sunil Nair,

Thanks for the new thread. It is common problem with the matching of the charts.

We should have detail discussion on the topic and effect of the remedial

measures or cancellation of the dosha.

Regards

--- On Wed, 6/10/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Mangal dosha

Wednesday, June 10, 2009, 10:28 AM

Dear Anantha krishnan ji

sure ,Thanks for ur mail ,it was wondeful post

I am aware of this ,But wanted to discuss the said dictum in details with known

and verfiable charts

so we will hav our own exprnced Knowledge for such charts

so if u hav any such charts ( who has Mangal dosha +with sat in yuti or aspects

,or sat with another maelfics in 1/2/4/7/8/12 Houses charts )

let us see how other memebrs has to say abt it ??

thanking u once again for participating and giving as Gr8 mail

regrds sunil nair

, Anantha Krishnan

<anantha_krishnan_98 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Ji:

> Mr. B.V. Raman in his book , " Muhurtha " goes into details about Kuja dosha. He

has given conditions under which Kuja dosha is canceled. (this book is available

free in the internet )

> For example,Kuja dosha is cancelled if Mars in the seventh house in Cancer or

Capricon. So on so forth..

> The So-called Kuja Dosha (excerpt from B.V. Raman's Book Muhurtha)

>

> The position of Venus and Mars is very important in judging

> marital relations. Mars whose element is fire rules marriage.

> Where he is badly situated or associated in the horoscope of a

> male or female, it follows that the sacerdotal fire gets

> extinguished soon. Such unfavourable situation goes under the

> name of Kuja Dosha.

>

> It must be noted that in determining marriage adaptability

> between two parties, there are several elements of much more

> importance than Kuja Dosha. And the evil influences accuring

> from the bad position of Mars is only one of the several

> elements.

>

> It is unfortunate that throughout South India especially in the

> Tamil areas, much is made of the so-called Kuja Dosham and this

> bugbear has been the means of destroying the happiness of many

> families by preventing marriages otherwise very eligible and

> anxiously wished for. So far as our humble experience goes it is

> only in the Kerala Sastra that mention is made of Kuja Dosha.

> The stanza runs thus: Dhana vyayecha pathale jamitre chashtame

> kuja; Strinam bharthru vinasamcha bharthunam strivinasanam. This

> means: - " If Mars is in the 2nd, 12th, 4th, 7th and 8th houses

> in the horoscope of the female, the death of the husband will

> occur; similar situation in the husband's horoscope causes the

> death of wife. "

>

> The Lagna represents body, the Moon, mind and Venus, sexual

> relations. Therefore, the houses have to be reckoned with

> reference to all the three, viz., Lagna, Moon and Venus. The

> dosha (evil) is considered weak when it exists from Lagna, a

> little stronger from the Moon and still more powerful from

> Venus.

>

> The second house signifies family; the twelth represents

> comforts and pleasures of bed. The fourth rules sukha or

> happiness. The seventh indicates husband and eighth represents

> longevity of the wife or husband. Hence the position of Mars in

> these houses is supposed to produce this peculiar dosham or

> evil. If Kuja Dosham obtains in the horoscopes of both the bride

> and bridegroom, the dosham gets cancelled. There are, of course,

> many good combinations which assure marital felicity and much

> importance need not be given to Kuja Dosham.

>

> Granting that Kuja Dosham is a factor whose occurrence should

> not be ignored, there are antidotes which are not generally

> known to the rank and file of Hindu astrologers. The exceptions

> are: Mars in the 2nd can be said to be bad provided such 2nd

> house is any other than Gemini and Virgo; in the 12th the dosha

> is produced when such 12th house is any other than Taurus and

> Libra in the 4th house Mars causes dosha provided the house

> falls in any sign other than Aries and Scorpio; when the 7th is

> other than Capricorn and Cancer, the dosha is given rise to; and

> Mars gives bad effects in the 8th, provided the 8th is any other

> than Sagittarius and Pisces. In Aquarius and Leo, Mars produces

> no dosha whatsoever. The dosha is counteracted by the

> conjunction of Mars and Jupiter or Mars and the Moon; or by the

> presence of Jupiter or Venus in the ascendant.

>

> Thus, it will be seen that Kuja Dosha does not deserve that

> consideration which is now being paid to it. In the

> consideration of marriage adaptability there are various other

> factors which should be carefully examined.

>

> We have dealt above fairly exhaustively with the question of

> marriage adaptability and have tried to avoid controversial

> issues as the book is intended for the common man who wishes to

> take advantage of the astrological rules to his benefit.

>

> But as far as the conjunction of planets are concerned, he is of the

opinion(in another book) that only Moon and Jupiter in conjnction with Mars in

Kuja dosha gets somewhat rectified. He is somewhat ambivalent with respect to

conjunction of Rahu and Ketu with Mars. He does not mention anything about

Saturn at all.

> Regards,

> anantha krishnan

>

> --- On Tue, 6/9/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala

> Mangal dosha

>

> Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 2:48 PM

>

Dear Grp

>

> here is a a commnt On allevation of mangal dosha which i heard before also,

and today got reference

>

> According to Jyotish Tatva Prakash, " If Saturn is placed with Mars in

> any of the houses wherein it causes Kuja or Manglik Dosha, The Dosha

> ends. "

>

> any commnts ??Any charts any one can share ??

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

June 10, 2009

Respected Sunil Nairs ji,

It will be better if the charts discussed be present before the members of the forum to learn from the discussion.

Regards---

June 10, 2009

Dear Friends,

I have noticed that Kuja Dosha gets different level of emphasis by

different astrologers. The judgement we see about Kuja dosha is

highly subjective. I wish the learned members take up a detailed

discussion.

At a rudimentary level, Kuja dosha will happen when Mars is in

1/2/4/7/8/12H. That is when it is located in some " comfort zone "

of chart and aspecting 7H or 8H by 4th / 7th / 8th aspect. By comfort

zone, I mean that houses which are related physical and mental

comforts.

But the problem is, out of 12 houses in a chart, Mars in any 6

houses will create Kuja Dosha..i.e., 50% of people will have some

Kuja dosha. And when we consider alternate lagna (Moon & Venus),

the affected percentage will be more. So, it looks a difficult

proposition to me. Probably, there are many rules of cancellation

and different degrees of Kuja dosha.

regards

P L Chakraborty

June 10, 2009

Dear All,

I can present my own chart as a classic example of a virulent Kuja dosha.

June 8, 1970, Tiruppatur, Tamil Nadu, 5:02 PM.

You will notice Kuja dosha occurs from all three lagnas, Udaya lagna, Chandra, and Venus. In such a case it is best to match the chart with a spouse with Kuja Dosha of similar strength. Ofcourse the plethora of afflictions to the 7th bhava and Venus makes it difficult to isolate the effects of Kuja dosha in this case.

There are some jyotishis who believe Jupiters aspect nullifies it. Again my opinion is it only reduces its intensity.

-Manoj

"CHAKRABORTYP2" <CHAKRABORTYP2 Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:57:16 PM Re:Mangal dosha

Dear Friends,I have noticed that Kuja Dosha gets different level of emphasis bydifferent astrologers. The judgement we see about Kuja dosha ishighly subjective. I wish the learned members take up a detaileddiscussion.At a rudimentary level, Kuja dosha will happen when Mars is in 1/2/4/7/8/12H. That is when it is located in some "comfort zone"of chart and aspecting 7H or 8H by 4th / 7th / 8th aspect. By comfort zone, I mean that houses which are related physical and mentalcomforts. But the problem is, out of 12 houses in a chart, Mars in any 6houses will create Kuja Dosha..i.e., 50% of people will have someKuja dosha. And when we consider alternate lagna (Moon & Venus),the affected percentage will be more. So, it looks a difficult proposition to me. Probably, there are many rules of cancellation and different degrees of Kuja dosha.regardsP L

Chakraborty

June 10, 2009

Dear All,

Where the Mars aspects is also important.

Thanks & RegardsChiranjiv Mehta

June 10, 2009

Respected Sh.Sunil Nair ji,

If we analyse the chart from the angle of marital happiness,the lagna is Pisces, Lagna lord Jupiter is posited in 8th, and debilitated in navamsha chart with Moon in the 11th house in the sign of Saturn who is posited in 7th in birth chart and 7th in navamsha chart. Saturn is 12th lord in both the charts. It indicates separation. The Mars the 2nd lord, maraka and speech, is posited in 7th. So the native has heated arguments with her spouse. The Mercury the 4th lord is posited in 8th from 4th, 7th lord Mercury, Maraka, is posited in 11th in movable sign, with retrograde Venus, the 3rd and 8th lord. All the kendra are occupied by malefic planets in birth chart and navamsha chart and trine are vacant. All the lagnas lagna lord, Moon and Sun are afflicted in navamsha. Dasha of Rahu/Saturn is running, Both are separarive planets and have link with 7th, the transit of Saturn and Jupiter is also not

favorable.

Only Mars in 7th has nothing to do with marital relationsRegards

June 10, 2009

Dear All,Meaning and relevance of Kuja dosha has undergone a change in today's times when girls are naturally more

aggressive, outgoing and decision-makers as against their meek and

submissive counterparts some decades ago. There are also better healthcare and medical facilities to make things difficult for Kuja to show its worse form. I think classics must be seen with a fresh eye in this sense.

Renu ji would remember as we both had discussed some charts having mars and saturn together in june-july 1984 and those boys and girls are now of marriageable age and trying to get settled in life. For these young people, Kuja dosha has be seen in a new light and doom declared only when there is DOOM.

Quality of Kuja dosha would depend on:Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order)Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially the nodes and their role in the chart.Quality and strength of 7H and 7L

Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc)Aspect of mars on different houses/planets.All the above to be seen from moon and venus also.Study of navamsha.Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas.

The careful synthesis of the above will reveal that not many charts are actually so badly afflicted.A matching for Kuja dosha may not really negate the impact of it. It only makes the two partners equally armed for the battle, an eye for an eye!

RegardsNeelam2009/6/10 <CHAKRABORTYP2

Dear Friends,

I have noticed that Kuja Dosha gets different level of emphasis by

different astrologers. The judgement we see about Kuja dosha is

highly subjective. I wish the learned members take up a detailed

discussion.

At a rudimentary level, Kuja dosha will happen when Mars is in

1/2/4/7/8/12H. That is when it is located in some " comfort zone "

of chart and aspecting 7H or 8H by 4th / 7th / 8th aspect. By comfort

zone, I mean that houses which are related physical and mental

comforts.

But the problem is, out of 12 houses in a chart, Mars in any 6

houses will create Kuja Dosha..i.e., 50% of people will have some

Kuja dosha. And when we consider alternate lagna (Moon & Venus),

the affected percentage will be more. So, it looks a difficult

proposition to me. Probably, there are many rules of cancellation

and different degrees of Kuja dosha.

regards

P L Chakraborty

June 10, 2009

Namaste Ms Neelam ji,

Just to add some confusion and clarity to the topic.....

8) Nakshatra position of Mars in that horrorscope

Result: Consider all factors, then one ends up with NIL or NULL Kuja (Mars) Dosha (ill-effects)

Conclusion: Every one wants their prospective brides to come with tons of Wealth (Mars-Bhumi or Immovable Property karaka), if not in natal chart, in vargas positions vary.... A ordinary Astrology is lost and then suggests all non-sense remedies {Jyotish Remedies- pun intended}.... overblown astrology...

// Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order)1) Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially the nodes and their role in the chart. 2) Quality and strength of 7H and 7L3) Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc) 4) Aspect of mars on different houses/planets. 5) All the above to be seen from moon and venus also. 6) Study of navamsha.7) Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas.//

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

June 10, 2009

Dear Sreeram ji,Your garnishing adds the right dash! Masala Tadka as they say in Hindi, or Punjabi!Yes, it makes a lot of sense in today's materialistic reality.ThanksRegardsNeelam

2009/6/10 sreeram srinivas <sreeram64

Namaste Ms Neelam ji,

Just to add some confusion and clarity to the topic.....

8) Nakshatra position of Mars in that horrorscope

Result: Consider all factors, then one ends up with NIL or NULL Kuja (Mars) Dosha (ill-effects)

Conclusion: Every one wants their prospective brides to come with tons of Wealth (Mars-Bhumi or Immovable Property karaka), if not in natal chart, in vargas positions vary.... A ordinary Astrology is lost and then suggests all non-sense remedies {Jyotish Remedies- pun intended}.... overblown astrology...

// Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order)1) Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially the nodes and their role in the chart. 2) Quality and strength of 7H and 7L3) Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc)

4) Aspect of mars on different houses/planets. 5) All the above to be seen from moon and venus also. 6) Study of navamsha.7) Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas.//

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

June 10, 2009

Dear Sreeramji, Neelamji and all.

You may find it hard to believe and perhaps surprising that, when my

daughter got married a year back, I did not match their charts for

Mangal Dosha or any such type of matching at all. Because if I had did,

I would never have found a perfect chart. I had already rejected about

40 suitors on basis of chart, and frankly evrybody around me had got fed

up of me, and so was I of myself. I thought before further charts

stopped coming to me because of such basis on my part, I better leave it

to the Lord and just go about it without bothering much. yes but I did

check the longevity part, wealth part, and the compatibility prt

(Negativity) in the boys chart, but nothing else. No Guna Dosha

matching, No Mangal Dosha, nothing. And to tell you the truth, one of

them has Mangal Dosha while the other has not, which I knew , yet went

ahead.

The couple is happy today with Gods grace.

regards/Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreeram ji,

>

> Your garnishing adds the right dash! Masala Tadka as they say in

Hindi, or

> Punjabi!

> Yes, it makes a lot of sense in today's materialistic reality.

> Thanks

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/6/10 sreeram srinivas sreeram64

>

> >

> > Namaste Ms Neelam ji,

> >

> > Just to add some confusion and clarity to the topic.....

> >

> > 8) Nakshatra position of Mars in that horrorscope

> >

> > *Result:* Consider all factors, then one ends up with NIL or NULL

Kuja

> > (Mars) Dosha (ill-effects)

> >

> > *Conclusion: *Every one wants their prospective brides to come with

tons

> > of Wealth (Mars-Bhumi or Immovable Property karaka), if not in natal

chart,

> > in vargas positions vary.... A ordinary Astrology is lost and then

suggests

> > all non-sense remedies {Jyotish Remedies- pun intended}....

overblown

> > astrology...

> >

> > // Strength of Moon, Lagna and Sun (in that order)

> > 1) Lordship of mars and any planet if conjunct with it, especially

the

> > nodes and their role in the chart.

> > 2) Quality and strength of 7H and 7L

> > 3) Aspect on mars and quality of aspect (malefic, benefic etc)

> > 4) Aspect of mars on different houses/planets.

> > 5) All the above to be seen from moon and venus also.

> > 6) Study of navamsha.

> > 7) Dasha and transits and the post-marriage dashas.//

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> >

>

June 10, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,I feel if moon is strong and well-aspected, there is no problem in life as most of the so-called problems are mind-created. Heath also to a great extent and a healthy mind knows what is true wealth.

Except longevity, I think, there is nothing that a good moon cannot and will not control. RegardsNeelam2009/6/10 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish