Date of Mahabharata

January 5, 2009

Dear Kishoreji,

Sorry for the slip. According to me his position of Saturn is also not correct as it appears to be in Rohini.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Date of Mahabharata Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 2:27 PM

Dear Patnaikji, Now I know about your higher Mathematics background. I was already aware of your interest in Astrology and Ancient Indian History etc.. At the degree level I had Mathematics, Physics and Honours in Chemistry. My post-graduation was in Chemistry the I did further research work in Chemistry. I had a stint of higher Mathematics in the Atomic Energy training School before joining as a scientist in that organisation. I have interest in in Ancient Indian History, Indian Philosophy and Astrology but I must admit that my knowledge of astrology is quite limited as compared to that of the many eminent astrologers in this forum. In astronomy too I had to take the help of some of the eminent astronomers, quite a few times. Mathematics is a precise science. However in dating of the Mahabharata war the parameters that we consider must also be correct. In a previous mail I stated

that any date proposed for the Mahabharata war must satisfy several factors, such as the date of Lord Krishna (Lord Krishna was 89 years old at the time of the war according to the Matsya Purana), the date of death of the Pandavas (which occurred when the Saptarshis went from Maghaa to the Ashlesha nakshatra and that was 25 years after Lord Krishna left his mortal frame), the Solar eclipse occurring on the 13th day of the Lunar eclipse before the Mahabharata war, Bhishma's death as associated with the date of occurrence of the Winter Solstice, the position of Jupiter, Saturn afflicting Rohini (at around 180 degrees) and the other parameters mentioned by Vedavyasa. Inspite of his claims I find that none of the above factors match with the date given by Prafulla except the position of Saturn. I feel that it would be better if you can help Prafulla discover the fallacy in his

calculations. I have no doubt that Prafulla is a seeker of the truth. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sun, 1/4/09, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ gmail.com> wrote:kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of Mahabharataancient_indian_ astrologySunday, January 4, 2009, 5:35 AMDear Prafulla, I am not against you or your book or your calculations. I agree with you in the following aspects: a) your methodology b) that the events mentioned by you are so rare to be clubbed together that they can

happen onlyin one year. In view of this, T correction proves that what has been given in MBh is dead correct and what is more, it also proves that it happened 5000 years ago - within a range of say 60 years. However, you may not be totally accurate in pinpointing the year, in view of the points I have noted in my earlier mail. Your reply proves this aspect. I think your research is still vital. We can continue the discussions, if you feel they are worth it. best regards, Kishore patnaik On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ .co. in> wrote:Dear KishoreI have not given full method of calculations. But as you seem to have some doubts I am giving few more steps:After finding synodic month of 3008BC, find out average synodic monthof last 5016 years(3008BC to 2008BC).Then calculate number of full months in 5016 years.From

full months and average synodic month,calculate no of days.Then subtract delta T.From the remaining days ,recalculate synodic month by dividing bynumber of months.This is a true average synodic month for last 5016 years.Now this can be used to calculate "Tithi" on any day in the past.I request to read my book before jumping to any conclusions.There is at least one computer program which gives exactly sameposition of moon as calculated by me.I request not to jump to conclusions before reading my book.There is another point also.If a planet "A" has retrogated at position "B" when Moon was at"c"and Sun was at "D" and at that time another planet was at "E"such a event is very rare and can not happen again .And if there are many such statements, about other planets also,then such a combination of events can be only in one year.And that was 3009BC-3008BC.PrafullaI am selling books not to

make profit but to bring out the truth.Prafulla ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:>> Dear all,> > Prafulla's methodology is correct but unfortunately, his conclusions are> wrong.> > We are calculating synodic month and then we apply the T correction for that> as> we know that moon is slowly moving away from the earth. This moment makes a> good> deal of difference because the moon is too near the earth on one hand and> also, the observations> can become too precise because of this proximity.> > On the other hand, this lateral movement of the planets receding either from> earth or sun> may not make much difference not only because they are distant from sun (and> thus, a small> recession does not make a

difference) but also, their observations-> especially if they are mean> positions- are not too accurate thus, ignoring the receding does not make> any difference at all.> > However, we have to remember that a 0.01% mistake in T correction can move> the years by> almost 15 years or so and hence, the moot point becomes whether T correction> is all that correct, especially> in the absense of emperical data.> > If I am not clear, I hope people like Srinivas and Sreenadh, who are good at> explaining things may kindly> pitch in.> > I thank the members for such wonderful discussions because it mixes> Mathematics (I am a post graduate in Mathes), Physics (My fav subject at> college), Astrology (my professional hobby) and Ancient Indian History.> (Another serious hobby of mine)> > Wow for that

!> > regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > On 1/4/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji> > The questions raised by you are all answered in my book.> > But I can describe shortly here:> > Moon is slowly going away from earth.> > Therefore (average)sidereal month is slowly increaing as per> > Kepler's Law.> > Therefore average Synodic month is also slowly increasing.> > We can calculate (average)synodic month for any year in the past.> > Also we can calculate delta T for any year in the past.> > By using delta T ,we can do calculation of synodic month again.> > Thus we will get correct synodic month for any year in the past> > after taking both factors in to account.i.e. Kepler's Law and> > Delta T.> > Then we can do

calculations and find out Tithi correctly on any> > date in the past.(Basicaly I try to find no moon day in the past)> > One Chinese astronomer has done calculations for me.He calculated> > synodic month by Kepler's Law.But he did not know delta T.> > So I did later part of delta T correction.> > When that was done it was found that Vyas was correct.> > Apart from Moon,all descriptions of other planets are also correct> > for the year 3009 -3008BC.> > (Kepler's Law is not required to be applied to them because> > their distances from Sun are not changing much)> > I have sold books in China also.> > For more information pl. contact on prafulla_mendki@ ...<prafulla_ mendki%40. co.in>> > Prafulla> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

astrology%40. com>,> > "Bhaskar"> > <rajiventerprises@ > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Prafullaji and Sunilji,> > >> > > Just talking on the difference in various programs sighted by you,> > on> > > Moon positions. Is this difference due to the Keplers law, or is> > it due> > > to some Softwares considering the daily motion of the Moon, while> > > calculating Moons position for a particular point of time, while> > others> > > calculating more efficiently based on 12 hours motion? I am not> > aware of> > > such intracasies so please excuse me if I sound stupid.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >>

> >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40. com>,> > "prafulla Vaman> > Mendki"> > > <prafulla_mendki@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil> > > > As you wish ,we will not discuss the issue in this forum.> > > > But let me clarify the statement about computer programs.> > > > Some computer programs which I have seen are incorrect because> > > > each shows different results especially for moon.If they are> > > > correct, then why they show different positions of moon?> > > > why some programs donot follow Kepler's law?> > > > I do not comment about programs which I have not seen.> > > > Thanks.Discussion is closed.> > > > Prafulla> > >

>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40. com>,> > Sunil> > Bhattacharjya> > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shri Prafulla,> > > > >> > > > > I do not agree with you that all the computer softwares are> > > > incorrect. Then there are many issues such as the date of Lord> > > > Krishna, the Saptarshi Era tradition, which is still followed in> > > > Kashmir and several other data, all point to the date of the> > > > Mahabharata war in 3139 BCE. But to my feeling we should not> > discuss> > > > the issue any more in this forum as this issue has been closed> > > > earlier. Please also refer to the

well-thoughtout email of> > bhaskarji> > > > in this regard.> > > > >> > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sat, 1/3/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki prafulla_mendki@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki prafulla_mendki@> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of Mahabharata> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_ astrology%40. com>> > > > > Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:40 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunilji> > > > > The lunar eclipse

and solar eclipse happened in 3008BC.> > > > > This is proved by me in the book by mathematics using Kepler's> > > > > law for moon and delta T calculations. (Because computer> > softwares> > > > > are incorrect).> > > > > As I have stated earlier, There are many issues and it is> > > > > not possible to discuss all by emails.> > > > > But I thank you very much for interest shown.> > > > > Prafulla> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil> > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Prafulla,> > > > > >> > > > > > The two eclipses before the Mahabharata war, where

the the> > solar> > > > > eclipse occurred on the 13th day after the Lunar eclipse,> > happened> > > > > in 3139 BCE and that did not happen in 3009-3008 BCE. I too> > cannot> > > > > discuss all the calculation details here. Moreover Lord> > > > > Krishna's date also does not fit in 3008-3009 BCE.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki> > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of Mahabharata> > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology> > > > > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:37 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil> > > > > > There are many astronomical events described by Vyas which> > are> > > > > > found to be 100% true in the year 3009-3008BC.> > > > > > The combination of all events can not occure in other year.> > > > > > Ifyou have different opinion,I can not help.> > > > > > I can not discuss all events and mathematics here.> > > > > >> > > > > > Prafulla> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology, Sunil> > > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafulla,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We differ in the dates. I find that the Mahabharata war> > was> > > > > > fought in 3139 BCE. Lord Krishna left his mortal frame in> > 3102> > > > BCE> > > > > > and the same day the Kailyuga started. I feel that Lord> > > > Krishna's> > > > > > date helps as the Matsya purana gives the age of Lord> > Krishna at> > > > > the> > > > > > time of the Mahabharata war.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki> > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of> > Mahabharata> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:50 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil> > > > > > > Thanks for your interest.> >

> > > > > My book does not contain date of birth of ShriKrishna.> > > > > > > It contains events from the Mahabharata War.i.e.3009-> > 3008BC> > > > > > > But I think it may be 31 st May 3052BC Gregarian.> > > > > > > Prafulla> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil> > > > > > Bhattacharjya> > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mendki,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What according to you is the date of Lord Krishna?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki> > > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Date of Mahabharata> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 7:41 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear friends> > > > >

> > > My book "Mahabharata Yuddhakal" and date of Mahabharata> > war> > > > > > > > i.e. 10th Sept 3008BC (Greg) ,Kartik Krishna 13, solar> > > > eclipse> > > > > at> > > > > > > > 213 deg (Vishakha/Anuradha) are mentioned in Marathi> > > > Newspaper> > > > > > > > Loksatta by Marathi Vigyan Parishad on 31 Dec 2008 ,under> > > > > column> > > > > > > > "Kutuhal".> > > > > > > > For more details contact prafulla_mendki@ .co. in> > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476> > > > > > > > (English book also available)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>

> > >> > >> >> > > >>

January 5, 2009

Dear Sunil

I have already said that pl. do not jump to conclusions before

reading my book.

Prafulla

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Patnaikji,

>

> Now I know about your higher Mathematics background. I was already

aware of your interest in Astrology and Ancient Indian History

etc.. At the degree level I had Mathematics, Physics and Honours in

Chemistry. My post-graduation was in Chemistry the I did further

research work in Chemistry. I had a stint of higher Mathematics in

the Atomic Energy training School before joining as a scientist in

that organisation. I have interest in in Ancient Indian History,

Indian Philosophy and Astrology but I must admit that my knowledge

of astrology is quite limited as compared to that of the many

eminent astrologers in this forum. In astronomy too I had to take

the help of some of the eminent astronomers, quite a few times.

>

> Mathematics is a precise science. However in dating of the

Mahabharata war the parameters that we consider must also be

correct. In a previous mail I stated that any date proposed for

the Mahabharata war must satisfy several factors, such as the date

of Lord Krishna (Lord Krishna was 89 years old at the time of the

war according to the Matsya Purana), the date of death of the

Pandavas (which occurred when the Saptarshis went from Maghaa to the

Ashlesha nakshatra and that was 25 years after Lord Krishna left his

mortal frame), the Solar eclipse occurring on the 13th day of the

Lunar eclipse before the Mahabharata war, Bhishma's death as

associated with the date of occurrence of the Winter Solstice, the

position of Jupiter, Saturn afflicting Rohini (at around 180

degrees) and the other parameters mentioned by Vedavyasa.

>

> Inspite of his claims I find that none of the above factors match

with the date given by Prafulla except the position of Saturn. I

feel that it would be better if you can help Prafulla discover the

fallacy in his calculations. I have no doubt that Prafulla is a

seeker of the truth.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09

> Re: Re: Date of Mahabharata

>

> Sunday, January 4, 2009, 5:35 AM

Dear Prafulla,

>

> I am not against you or your book or your calculations. I agree

with you in the following aspects: a) your methodology

> b) that the events mentioned by you are so rare to be clubbed

together that they can happen only

> in one year.

>

> In view of this, T correction proves that what has been given in

MBh is dead correct and what is more, it also proves that it

happened 5000 years ago - within a range of say 60 years.

>

> However, you may not be totally accurate in pinpointing the year,

in view of the points I have noted in my earlier mail. Your reply

proves this aspect. I think your research is still vital.

>

> We can continue the discussions, if you feel they are worth it.

>

> best regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, prafulla Vaman Mendki

<prafulla_mendki@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Kishore

> I have not given full method of calculations. But as you seem to

have

> some doubts I am giving few more steps:

> After finding synodic month of 3008BC, find out average synodic

month

> of last 5016 years(3008BC to 2008BC).

> Then calculate number of full months in 5016 years.From full months

> and average synodic month,calculate no of days.Then subtract delta

T.

> From the remaining days ,recalculate synodic month by dividing by

> number of months.

> This is a true average synodic month for last 5016 years.

> Now this can be used to calculate " Tithi " on any day in the past.

> I request to read my book before jumping to any conclusions.

> There is at least one computer program which gives exactly same

> position of moon as calculated by me.

> I request not to jump to conclusions before reading my book.

> There is another point also.

> If a planet " A " has retrogated at position " B " when Moon was at " c "

> and Sun was at " D " and at that time another planet was at " E "

> such a event is very rare and can not happen again .

> And if there are many such statements, about other planets also,

> then such a combination of events can be only in one year.

> And that was 3009BC-3008BC.

> Prafulla

> I am selling books not to make profit but to bring out the truth.

>

> Prafulla

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " kishore

patnaik "

>

> <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Prafulla's methodology is correct but unfortunately, his

> conclusions are

> > wrong.

> >

> > We are calculating synodic month and then we apply the T

> correction for that

> > as

> > we know that moon is slowly moving away from the earth. This

> moment makes a

> > good

> > deal of difference because the moon is too near the earth on one

> hand and

> > also, the observations

> > can become too precise because of this proximity.

> >

> > On the other hand, this lateral movement of the planets receding

> either from

> > earth or sun

> > may not make much difference not only because they are distant

> from sun (and

> > thus, a small

> > recession does not make a difference) but also, their

observations-

> > especially if they are mean

> > positions- are not too accurate thus, ignoring the receding does

> not make

> > any difference at all.

> >

> > However, we have to remember that a 0.01% mistake in T correction

> can move

> > the years by

> > almost 15 years or so and hence, the moot point becomes whether T

> correction

> > is all that correct, especially

> > in the absense of emperical data.

> >

> > If I am not clear, I hope people like Srinivas and Sreenadh, who

> are good at

> > explaining things may kindly

> > pitch in.

> >

> > I thank the members for such wonderful discussions because it

mixes

> > Mathematics (I am a post graduate in Mathes), Physics (My fav

> subject at

> > college), Astrology (my professional hobby) and Ancient Indian

> History.

> > (Another serious hobby of mine)

> >

> > Wow for that !

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

>

> > On 1/4/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > The questions raised by you are all answered in my book.

> > > But I can describe shortly here:

> > > Moon is slowly going away from earth.

> > > Therefore (average)sidereal month is slowly increaing as per

> > > Kepler's Law.

> > > Therefore average Synodic month is also slowly increasing.

> > > We can calculate (average)synodic month for any year in the

past.

> > > Also we can calculate delta T for any year in the past.

> > > By using delta T ,we can do calculation of synodic month again.

> > > Thus we will get correct synodic month for any year in the past

> > > after taking both factors in to account.i.e. Kepler's Law and

> > > Delta T.

> > > Then we can do calculations and find out Tithi correctly on any

> > > date in the past.(Basicaly I try to find no moon day in the

past)

> > > One Chinese astronomer has done calculations for me.He

calculated

> > > synodic month by Kepler's Law.But he did not know delta T.

> > > So I did later part of delta T correction.

> > > When that was done it was found that Vyas was correct.

> > > Apart from Moon,all descriptions of other planets are also

> correct

> > > for the year 3009 -3008BC.

> > > (Kepler's Law is not required to be applied to them because

> > > their distances from Sun are not changing much)

> > > I have sold books in China also.

> > > For more information pl. contact on

> prafulla_mendki@ ...<prafulla_mendki%40.co.in>

> > > Prafulla

> > >

> > > --- In

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology%

> 40. com>,

>

> > > " Bhaskar "

> > > <rajiventerprises@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prafullaji and Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > Just talking on the difference in various programs sighted by

> you,

> > > on

> > > > Moon positions. Is this difference due to the Keplers law, or

> is

> > > it due

> > > > to some Softwares considering the daily motion of the Moon,

> while

> > > > calculating Moons position for a particular point of time,

> while

> > > others

> > > > calculating more efficiently based on 12 hours motion? I am

not

> > > aware of

> > > > such intracasies so please excuse me if I sound stupid.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology%

> 40. com>,

>

> > > " prafulla Vaman

> > > Mendki "

> > > > <prafulla_mendki@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > As you wish ,we will not discuss the issue in this forum.

> > > > > But let me clarify the statement about computer programs.

> > > > > Some computer programs which I have seen are incorrect

> because

> > > > > each shows different results especially for moon.If they

are

> > > > > correct, then why they show different positions of moon?

> > > > > why some programs donot follow Kepler's law?

> > > > > I do not comment about programs which I have not seen.

> > > > > Thanks.Discussion is closed.

> > > > > Prafulla

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology%

> 40. com>,

>

> > > Sunil

> > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Prafulla,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not agree with you that all the computer softwares

are

> > > > > incorrect. Then there are many issues such as the date of

> Lord

> > > > > Krishna, the Saptarshi Era tradition, which is still

> followed in

> > > > > Kashmir and several other data, all point to the date of

the

> > > > > Mahabharata war in 3139 BCE. But to my feeling we should

not

> > > discuss

> > > > > the issue any more in this forum as this issue has been

> closed

> > > > > earlier. Please also refer to the well-thoughtout email of

> > > bhaskarji

> > > > > in this regard.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/3/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

prafulla_mendki@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki prafulla_mendki@

> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of

Mahabharata

> > > > > > To:

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_

astrology%

> 40. com>

>

> > > > > > Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:40 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunilji

> > > > > > The lunar eclipse and solar eclipse happened in 3008BC.

> > > > > > This is proved by me in the book by mathematics using

> Kepler's

> > > > > > law for moon and delta T calculations. (Because computer

> > > softwares

> > > > > > are incorrect).

> > > > > > As I have stated earlier, There are many issues and it is

> > > > > > not possible to discuss all by emails.

> > > > > > But I thank you very much for interest shown.

> > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

> > > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The two eclipses before the Mahabharata war, where the

> the

> > > solar

> > > > > > eclipse occurred on the 13th day after the Lunar eclipse,

> > > happened

> > > > > > in 3139 BCE and that did not happen in 3009-3008 BCE. I

too

> > > cannot

> > > > > > discuss all the calculation details here. Moreover Lord

> > > > > > Krishna's date also does not fit in 3008-3009 BCE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of

> Mahabharata

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > There are many astronomical events described by Vyas

> which

> > > are

> > > > > > > found to be 100% true in the year 3009-3008BC.

> > > > > > > The combination of all events can not occure in other

> year.

> > > > > > > Ifyou have different opinion,I can not help.

> > > > > > > I can not discuss all events and mathematics here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

Sunil

> > > > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafulla,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We differ in the dates. I find that the Mahabharata

war

> > > was

> > > > > > > fought in 3139 BCE. Lord Krishna left his mortal frame

in

> > > 3102

> > > > > BCE

> > > > > > > and the same day the Kailyuga started. I feel that Lord

> > > > > Krishna's

> > > > > > > date helps as the Matsya purana gives the age of Lord

> > > Krishna at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of the Mahabharata war.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> > > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of

> > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:50 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest.

> > > > > > > > My book does not contain date of birth of

ShriKrishna.

> > > > > > > > It contains events from the Mahabharata War.i.e.3009-

> > > 3008BC

> > > > > > > > But I think it may be 31 st May 3052BC Gregarian.

> > > > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Sunil

> > > > > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mendki,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What according to you is the date of Lord Krishna?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Date of

> Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 7:41 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear friends

> > > > > > > > > My book " Mahabharata Yuddhakal " and date of

> Mahabharata

> > > war

> > > > > > > > > i.e. 10th Sept 3008BC (Greg) ,Kartik Krishna 13,

> solar

> > > > > eclipse

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > 213 deg (Vishakha/Anuradha) are mentioned in

Marathi

> > > > > Newspaper

> > > > > > > > > Loksatta by Marathi Vigyan Parishad on 31 Dec

> 2008 ,under

> > > > > > column

> > > > > > > > > " Kutuhal " .

> > > > > > > > > For more details contact prafulla_mendki@ .co.

> in

> > > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476

> > > > > > > > > (English book also available)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 5, 2009

Dear Prafulla,

You have not read that immediately I corrected my slip and said that you had in fact taken Saturn to be in Rohini. Vedavyasa did not say that Saturn was in Rohini. He said that it was giving trouble to Rohini.In your eagerness to sell your book you do not even want to admit that you have taken Saturn to be in Rohini and this was not my jumping to conclusion.

Secondly you also do not accept that the date of the Mahabharata war, as found by you, does not tally with the date of the winter solstice at that time. Bhishma fell on the 10th day of the war and died after spending 58 nights on the bed of arrows. According your finiding of 10th September as the date of starting of the Mahabharata war, the Winter Solstice should then have been in the middle of November that year but that was not the case.

Thirdly the Saptarshis left Maghaa for Ashlesha Nakshatra in 3077 BCE and te saptarshi Era came into being from that time.. At that very time the Pandavas went away from this world. How can then the Mahabharata war be fought after their departure?

Tell me one good reason why then I should rush to procure your book when your date appears to be prima facie not correct. I am sure that Bhaskarji and Kishoreji too had not read your book. If you do not want to reply to the query from a member of this forum unless he or she reads your book, I have nothing to say. But I genuinely hope that you will look at the these suggestions in a cool manner and try to improve your calculations and thus arrive at the correct date that satisfies all the requirements, some of which I mentioned in this email and earlier. Several people in the past too had arrived at 3139 BCE as the correct year of the Mahabharata war, though they had not cared to find out the actual date in that year.

Best wishes,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

January 5, 2009

Dear Sunil ji,

I have not read the book, and neither intend to purchase any, for the

simple reason that I do not wish to be influenced by any data, which may

or may not be actual, and with incompletion of proper tools or knowledge

of astronomy/astrology, at my side to verify the same.

Another reason is less of time, which is the scarcest resource available

on earth, at present. I just purchased through Vpp 3 books costing

Rs.900- last week, which I am getting a headache to understand due to no

explanations, purport or commentary from the transliterator, in those

book, but just transileriterations as it is, from the Original.

I will be careful what to buy and what not to buy in future. Already

since last 25 years one of the numerous problems my wife has from me, is

my Books.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> You have not read that immediately I corrected my slip and said that

you had in fact taken Saturn to be in Rohini. Vedavyasa did not say

that Saturn was in Rohini. He said that it was giving trouble to

Rohini.In your eagerness to sell your book you do not even want to admit

that you have taken Saturn to be in Rohini and this was not my jumping

to conclusion.

>

> Secondly you also do not accept that the date of the Mahabharata war,

as found by you, does not tally with the date of the winter solstice at

that time. Bhishma fell on the 10th day of the war and died after

spending 58 nights on the bed of arrows. According your finiding of 10th

September as the date of starting of the Mahabharata war, the Winter

Solstice should then have been in the middle of November that year but

that was not the case.

>

> Thirdly the Saptarshis left Maghaa for Ashlesha Nakshatra in 3077 BCE

and te saptarshi Era came into being from that time.. At that very time

the Pandavas went away from this world. How can then the Mahabharata war

be fought after their departure?

>

> Tell me one good reason why then I should rush to procure your book

when your date appears to be prima facie not correct. I am sure that

Bhaskarji and Kishoreji too had not read your book. If you do not want

to reply to the query from a member of this forum unless he or she

reads your book, I have nothing to say. But I genuinely hope that you

will look at the these suggestions in a cool manner and try to improve

your calculations and thus arrive at the correct date that satisfies all

the requirements, some of which I mentioned in this email and earlier.

Several people in the past too had arrived at 3139 BCE as the correct

year of the Mahabharata war, though they had not cared to find out the

actual date in that year.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki prafulla_mendki wrote:

>

> prafulla Vaman Mendki prafulla_mendki

> Re: Date of Mahabharata

>

> Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:29 PM

Dear Sunil

> I have already said that pl. do not jump to conclusions before

> reading my book.

> Prafulla

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Patnaikji,

> >

> > Now I know about your higher Mathematics background. I was already

> aware of your interest in Astrology and Ancient Indian History

> etc.. At the degree level I had Mathematics, Physics and Honours in

> Chemistry. My post-graduation was in Chemistry the I did further

> research work in Chemistry. I had a stint of higher Mathematics in

> the Atomic Energy training School before joining as a scientist in

> that organisation. I have interest in in Ancient Indian History,

> Indian Philosophy and Astrology but I must admit that my knowledge

> of astrology is quite limited as compared to that of the many

> eminent astrologers in this forum. In astronomy too I had to take

> the help of some of the eminent astronomers, quite a few times.

> >

> > Mathematics is a precise science. However in dating of the

> Mahabharata war the parameters that we consider must also be

> correct. In a previous mail I stated that any date proposed for

> the Mahabharata war must satisfy several factors, such as the date

> of Lord Krishna (Lord Krishna was 89 years old at the time of the

> war according to the Matsya Purana), the date of death of the

> Pandavas (which occurred when the Saptarshis went from Maghaa to the

> Ashlesha nakshatra and that was 25 years after Lord Krishna left his

> mortal frame), the Solar eclipse occurring on the 13th day of the

> Lunar eclipse before the Mahabharata war, Bhishma's death as

> associated with the date of occurrence of the Winter Solstice, the

> position of Jupiter, Saturn afflicting Rohini (at around 180

> degrees) and the other parameters mentioned by Vedavyasa.

> >

> > Inspite of his claims I find that none of the above factors match

> with the date given by Prafulla except the position of Saturn. I

> feel that it would be better if you can help Prafulla discover the

> fallacy in his calculations. I have no doubt that Prafulla is a

> seeker of the truth.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/4/09, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09@ ...>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of Mahabharata

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, January 4, 2009, 5:35 AM

> >

> > Dear Prafulla,

> >

> > I am not against you or your book or your calculations. I agree

> with you in the following aspects: a) your methodology

> > b) that the events mentioned by you are so rare to be clubbed

> together that they can happen only

> > in one year.

> >

> > In view of this, T correction proves that what has been given in

> MBh is dead correct and what is more, it also proves that it

> happened 5000 years ago - within a range of say 60 years.

> >

> > However, you may not be totally accurate in pinpointing the year,

> in view of the points I have noted in my earlier mail. Your reply

> proves this aspect. I think your research is still vital.

> >

> > We can continue the discussions, if you feel they are worth it.

> >

> > best regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:16 PM, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> <prafulla_mendki@ .co. in> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kishore

> > I have not given full method of calculations. But as you seem to

> have

> > some doubts I am giving few more steps:

> > After finding synodic month of 3008BC, find out average synodic

> month

> > of last 5016 years(3008BC to 2008BC).

> > Then calculate number of full months in 5016 years.From full months

> > and average synodic month,calculate no of days.Then subtract delta

> T.

> > From the remaining days ,recalculate synodic month by dividing by

> > number of months.

> > This is a true average synodic month for last 5016 years.

> > Now this can be used to calculate " Tithi " on any day in the past.

> > I request to read my book before jumping to any conclusions.

> > There is at least one computer program which gives exactly same

> > position of moon as calculated by me.

> > I request not to jump to conclusions before reading my book.

> > There is another point also.

> > If a planet " A " has retrogated at position " B " when Moon was at " c "

> > and Sun was at " D " and at that time another planet was at " E "

> > such a event is very rare and can not happen again .

> > And if there are many such statements, about other planets also,

> > then such a combination of events can be only in one year.

> > And that was 3009BC-3008BC.

> > Prafulla

> > I am selling books not to make profit but to bring out the truth.

> >

> > Prafulla

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kishore

> patnaik "

> >

> > <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Prafulla's methodology is correct but unfortunately, his

> > conclusions are

> > > wrong.

> > >

> > > We are calculating synodic month and then we apply the T

> > correction for that

> > > as

> > > we know that moon is slowly moving away from the earth. This

> > moment makes a

> > > good

> > > deal of difference because the moon is too near the earth on one

> > hand and

> > > also, the observations

> > > can become too precise because of this proximity.

> > >

> > > On the other hand, this lateral movement of the planets receding

> > either from

> > > earth or sun

> > > may not make much difference not only because they are distant

> > from sun (and

> > > thus, a small

> > > recession does not make a difference) but also, their

> observations-

> > > especially if they are mean

> > > positions- are not too accurate thus, ignoring the receding does

> > not make

> > > any difference at all.

> > >

> > > However, we have to remember that a 0.01% mistake in T correction

> > can move

> > > the years by

> > > almost 15 years or so and hence, the moot point becomes whether T

> > correction

> > > is all that correct, especially

> > > in the absense of emperical data.

> > >

> > > If I am not clear, I hope people like Srinivas and Sreenadh, who

> > are good at

> > > explaining things may kindly

> > > pitch in.

> > >

> > > I thank the members for such wonderful discussions because it

> mixes

> > > Mathematics (I am a post graduate in Mathes), Physics (My fav

> > subject at

> > > college), Astrology (my professional hobby) and Ancient Indian

> > History.

> > > (Another serious hobby of mine)

> > >

> > > Wow for that !

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> >

> > > On 1/4/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskarji

> > > > The questions raised by you are all answered in my book.

> > > > But I can describe shortly here:

> > > > Moon is slowly going away from earth.

> > > > Therefore (average)sidereal month is slowly increaing as per

> > > > Kepler's Law.

> > > > Therefore average Synodic month is also slowly increasing.

> > > > We can calculate (average)synodic month for any year in the

> past.

> > > > Also we can calculate delta T for any year in the past.

> > > > By using delta T ,we can do calculation of synodic month again.

> > > > Thus we will get correct synodic month for any year in the past

> > > > after taking both factors in to account.i.e. Kepler's Law and

> > > > Delta T.

> > > > Then we can do calculations and find out Tithi correctly on any

> > > > date in the past.(Basicaly I try to find no moon day in the

> past)

> > > > One Chinese astronomer has done calculations for me.He

> calculated

> > > > synodic month by Kepler's Law.But he did not know delta T.

> > > > So I did later part of delta T correction.

> > > > When that was done it was found that Vyas was correct.

> > > > Apart from Moon,all descriptions of other planets are also

> > correct

> > > > for the year 3009 -3008BC.

> > > > (Kepler's Law is not required to be applied to them because

> > > > their distances from Sun are not changing much)

> > > > I have sold books in China also.

> > > > For more information pl. contact on

> > prafulla_mendki@ ...<prafulla_ mendki%40. co.in>

> > > > Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> astrology%

> > 40. com>,

> >

> > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > <rajiventerprises@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prafullaji and Sunilji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Just talking on the difference in various programs sighted by

> > you,

> > > > on

> > > > > Moon positions. Is this difference due to the Keplers law, or

> > is

> > > > it due

> > > > > to some Softwares considering the daily motion of the Moon,

> > while

> > > > > calculating Moons position for a particular point of time,

> > while

> > > > others

> > > > > calculating more efficiently based on 12 hours motion? I am

> not

> > > > aware of

> > > > > such intracasies so please excuse me if I sound stupid.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> astrology%

> > 40. com>,

> >

> > > > " prafulla Vaman

> > > > Mendki "

> > > > > <prafulla_mendki@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > As you wish ,we will not discuss the issue in this forum.

> > > > > > But let me clarify the statement about computer programs.

> > > > > > Some computer programs which I have seen are incorrect

> > because

> > > > > > each shows different results especially for moon.If they

> are

> > > > > > correct, then why they show different positions of moon?

> > > > > > why some programs donot follow Kepler's law?

> > > > > > I do not comment about programs which I have not seen.

> > > > > > Thanks.Discussion is closed.

> > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> astrology%

> > 40. com>,

> >

> > > > Sunil

> > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafulla,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not agree with you that all the computer softwares

> are

> > > > > > incorrect. Then there are many issues such as the date of

> > Lord

> > > > > > Krishna, the Saptarshi Era tradition, which is still

> > followed in

> > > > > > Kashmir and several other data, all point to the date of

> the

> > > > > > Mahabharata war in 3139 BCE. But to my feeling we should

> not

> > > > discuss

> > > > > > the issue any more in this forum as this issue has been

> > closed

> > > > > > earlier. Please also refer to the well-thoughtout email of

> > > > bhaskarji

> > > > > > in this regard.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/3/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> prafulla_mendki@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki prafulla_mendki@

> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of

> Mahabharata

> > > > > > > To:

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_ indian_

> astrology%

> > 40. com>

> >

> > > > > > > Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:40 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji

> > > > > > > The lunar eclipse and solar eclipse happened in 3008BC.

> > > > > > > This is proved by me in the book by mathematics using

> > Kepler's

> > > > > > > law for moon and delta T calculations. (Because computer

> > > > softwares

> > > > > > > are incorrect).

> > > > > > > As I have stated earlier, There are many issues and it is

> > > > > > > not possible to discuss all by emails.

> > > > > > > But I thank you very much for interest shown.

> > > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

> > > > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Prafulla,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The two eclipses before the Mahabharata war, where the

> > the

> > > > solar

> > > > > > > eclipse occurred on the 13th day after the Lunar eclipse,

> > > > happened

> > > > > > > in 3139 BCE and that did not happen in 3009-3008 BCE. I

> too

> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > discuss all the calculation details here. Moreover Lord

> > > > > > > Krishna's date also does not fit in 3008-3009 BCE.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of

> > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > > There are many astronomical events described by Vyas

> > which

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > found to be 100% true in the year 3009-3008BC.

> > > > > > > > The combination of all events can not occure in other

> > year.

> > > > > > > > Ifyou have different opinion,I can not help.

> > > > > > > > I can not discuss all events and mathematics here.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> Sunil

> > > > > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Prafulla,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We differ in the dates. I find that the Mahabharata

> war

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > fought in 3139 BCE. Lord Krishna left his mortal frame

> in

> > > > 3102

> > > > > > BCE

> > > > > > > > and the same day the Kailyuga started. I feel that Lord

> > > > > > Krishna's

> > > > > > > > date helps as the Matsya purana gives the age of Lord

> > > > Krishna at

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > time of the Mahabharata war.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of

> > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > Friday, January 2, 2009, 5:50 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your interest.

> > > > > > > > > My book does not contain date of birth of

> ShriKrishna.

> > > > > > > > > It contains events from the Mahabharata War.i.e.3009-

> > > > 3008BC

> > > > > > > > > But I think it may be 31 st May 3052BC Gregarian.

> > > > > > > > > Prafulla

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Sunil

> > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Mendki,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What according to you is the date of Lord Krishna?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/1/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki

> > > > > > > <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Date of

> > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, January 1, 2009, 7:41 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friends

> > > > > > > > > > My book " Mahabharata Yuddhakal " and date of

> > Mahabharata

> > > > war

> > > > > > > > > > i.e. 10th Sept 3008BC (Greg) ,Kartik Krishna 13,

> > solar

> > > > > > eclipse

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > 213 deg (Vishakha/Anuradha) are mentioned in

> Marathi

> > > > > > Newspaper

> > > > > > > > > > Loksatta by Marathi Vigyan Parishad on 31 Dec

> > 2008 ,under

> > > > > > > column

> > > > > > > > > > " Kutuhal " .

> > > > > > > > > > For more details contact prafulla_mendki@ .co.

> > in

> > > > > > > > > > Phone 0251-2209476

> > > > > > > > > > (English book also available)

> > > > > > > > > >

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January 5, 2009

Dear All,

According to Mahaabharata by Veda Vyasa the Great War took place 36 years after the advent of Kaliyuga.At present we are in Kaliyaaptam 5109 (i.e.) 5109 years have elapsed and the 5110th year is in progress after the birth of Kaliyuga.We are now in 2009 AD( Roman era).If we dceduct 2009 years from 5110 we get 3101 B.C.(Roman era) which is the year in which Kaliyuga was born.If we deduct 36 years from 3101 the result is 3065 B.C.(Roman era) which is the year in which the Grear War of Mahaabharata was fought.I have used the Roman era and if we use Gregorian era we will get a different result.And we have to include the leapyears leapcenturies etc.1 Sidereal year = 365.256 (approx) mean solar days.And 1 Sidereal period of moon about earth = 27.32 (approx) mean solar days.These are also approx values.But the Vedas and allied literature give the exact values.We

must also take into account all these so that we arrive at the exact date and year of the Great War of Mahaabhaarata.I hope these helps you.

Yours

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 9:17:52 AMRe: Re: Date of Mahabharata

Dear Prafulla,

You have not read that immediately I corrected my slip and said that you had in fact taken Saturn to be in Rohini. Vedavyasa did not say that Saturn was in Rohini. He said that it was giving trouble to Rohini.In your eagerness to sell your book you do not even want to admit that you have taken Saturn to be in Rohini and this was not my jumping to conclusion.

Secondly you also do not accept that the date of the Mahabharata war, as found by you, does not tally with the date of the winter solstice at that time. Bhishma fell on the 10th day of the war and died after spending 58 nights on the bed of arrows. According your finiding of 10th September as the date of starting of the Mahabharata war, the Winter Solstice should then have been in the middle of November that year but that was not the case.

Thirdly the Saptarshis left Maghaa for Ashlesha Nakshatra in 3077 BCE and te saptarshi Era came into being from that time.. At that very time the Pandavas went away from this world. How can then the Mahabharata war be fought after their departure?

Tell me one good reason why then I should rush to procure your book when your date appears to be prima facie not correct. I am sure that Bhaskarji and Kishoreji too had not read your book. If you do not want to reply to the query from a member of this forum unless he or she reads your book, I have nothing to say. But I genuinely hope that you will look at the these suggestions in a cool manner and try to improve your calculations and thus arrive at the correct date that satisfies all the requirements, some of which I mentioned in this email and earlier. Several people in the past too had arrived at 3139 BCE as the correct year of the Mahabharata war, though they had not cared to find out the actual date in that year.

Best wishes,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

January 5, 2009

Dear Venkatakrishnanji,

According to the Mahabharata the Kaliyuga started 36 years (and a few months) after the Mahabharata war. Ther war was fought towards the end of 3139 BCE and the Kaliyuga started in the beginning of 3102 BCE. Already 5110 years have passed since then and the next Yugadi (Kaliyugadi) in 2009 it will be the 5111 th (3102 + 2009 = 5111) yugadi celebration.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sun, 1/4/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Re: Date of Mahabharata Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 9:01 PM

Dear All,

According to Mahaabharata by Veda Vyasa the Great War took place 36 years after the advent of Kaliyuga.At present we are in Kaliyaaptam 5109 (i.e.) 5109 years have elapsed and the 5110th year is in progress after the birth of Kaliyuga.We are now in 2009 AD( Roman era).If we dceduct 2009 years from 5110 we get 3101 B.C.(Roman era) which is the year in which Kaliyuga was born.If we deduct 36 years from 3101 the result is 3065 B.C.(Roman era) which is the year in which the Grear War of Mahaabharata was fought.I have used the Roman era and if we use Gregorian era we will get a different result.And we have to include the leapyears leapcenturies etc.1 Sidereal year = 365.256 (approx) mean solar days.And 1 Sidereal period of moon about earth = 27.32 (approx) mean solar days.These are also approx values.But the Vedas and allied literature give the exact values.We

must also take into account all these so that we arrive at the exact date and year of the Great War of Mahaabhaarata. I hope these helps you.

Yours

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .

website: www.vedascience. com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>ancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, January 5, 2009 9:17:52 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Date of Mahabharata

Dear Prafulla,

You have not read that immediately I corrected my slip and said that you had in fact taken Saturn to be in Rohini. Vedavyasa did not say that Saturn was in Rohini. He said that it was giving trouble to Rohini.In your eagerness to sell your book you do not even want to admit that you have taken Saturn to be in Rohini and this was not my jumping to conclusion.

Secondly you also do not accept that the date of the Mahabharata war, as found by you, does not tally with the date of the winter solstice at that time. Bhishma fell on the 10th day of the war and died after spending 58 nights on the bed of arrows. According your finiding of 10th September as the date of starting of the Mahabharata war, the Winter Solstice should then have been in the middle of November that year but that was not the case.

Thirdly the Saptarshis left Maghaa for Ashlesha Nakshatra in 3077 BCE and te saptarshi Era came into being from that time.. At that very time the Pandavas went away from this world. How can then the Mahabharata war be fought after their departure?

Tell me one good reason why then I should rush to procure your book when your date appears to be prima facie not correct. I am sure that Bhaskarji and Kishoreji too had not read your book. If you do not want to reply to the query from a member of this forum unless he or she reads your book, I have nothing to say. But I genuinely hope that you will look at the these suggestions in a cool manner and try to improve your calculations and thus arrive at the correct date that satisfies all the requirements, some of which I mentioned in this email and earlier. Several people in the past too had arrived at 3139 BCE as the correct year of the Mahabharata war, though they had not cared to find out the actual date in that year.

Best wishes,

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January 5, 2009

Dear Sunil

I again say the same thing.

Pl.do not assume which I have not said.

I think that I have answered many queries raised by the group.

Let me add that is one verse which refers to an event in

3007BC also.There is no mistake of Saturn being in Rohini.

Thanks for discussion.

Prafulla

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Prafulla,

>

> You have not read that immediately I corrected my slip and said

that you had in fact taken Saturn to be in Rohini. Vedavyasa did

not say that Saturn was in Rohini. He said that it was giving

trouble to Rohini.In your eagerness to sell your book you do not

even want to admit that you have taken Saturn to be in Rohini and

this was not my jumping to conclusion.

>

> Secondly you also do not accept that the date of the Mahabharata

war, as found by you, does not tally with the date of the winter

solstice at that time. Bhishma fell on the 10th day of the war and

died after spending 58 nights on the bed of arrows. According your

finiding of 10th September as the date of starting of the

Mahabharata war, the Winter Solstice should then have been in the

middle of November that year but that was not the case.

>

> Thirdly the Saptarshis left Maghaa for Ashlesha Nakshatra in 3077

BCE and te saptarshi Era came into being from that time.. At that

very time the Pandavas went away from this world. How can then

the Mahabharata war be fought after their departure?

>

> Tell me one good reason why then I should rush to procure your

book when your date appears to be prima facie not correct. I am sure

that Bhaskarji and Kishoreji too had not read your book. If you do

not want to reply to the query from a member of this forum unless

he or she reads your book, I have nothing to say. But I

genuinely hope that you will look at the these suggestions in a cool

manner and try to improve your calculations and thus arrive at the

correct date that satisfies all the requirements, some of which I

mentioned in this email and earlier. Several people in the past

too had arrived at 3139 BCE as the correct year of the Mahabharata

war, though they had not cared to find out the actual date in that

year.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sun, 1/4/09, prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki

wrote:

>

> prafulla Vaman Mendki <prafulla_mendki

> Re: Date of Mahabharata

>

> Sunday, January 4, 2009, 6:29 PM

Dear Sunil

> I have already said that pl. do not jump to conclusions before

> reading my book.

> Prafulla

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil

Bhattacharjya

> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

> >

> > Dear Patnaikji,

> >

> > Now I know about your higher Mathematics background. I was

already