Lagna lord in 5th House

[Guest guest]

Dear Elaine ji,

I don't have any other astrology software in my computer except

JHora which just gives the calculations alone. The results are

directly from a version of BPHS.

Yes, it is always better to learn from the originals, than to get

confused by the numerous methodologies available, and stick to the

basics - in learning and using astrology. I won't even suggest

learning BPHS, since in the current state that too is a too much

corrupted text with too many interpolations. Start with Brihat Jataka

of Mihira - that is better. But as of " House Base " result derivation -

BPHS is the best. Astrology is simple [There is only 7 steps ]-

approach it in the most easy to understand manner.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Elaine Gardner "

<egardner wrote:

>

> Dearest Sreenadji,

>

>

>

> Thank you so much for these interpretations!! I was using

Parasharas

> Lite which gave me very different results. Did you get your results

> directly from BPHS? I'd been told that that is where PL gets its

> interpretations from—but, I'm afraid I've never checked to compare. I'm

> afraid I've found it MUCH more difficult these past 9 months to

concentrate

> and focus than I have before and I haven't been as meticulous in my

studies

> as I should be. I think I should put the plethora of books I've

collected

> aside for the time being and just concentrate on learning the

> interpretations from the classics!! I'm also spoiled—as I think many

> are—with using the software to do much of the leg work I should be doing

> myself. As a beginner, and with no prior experience in astrology,

it can

> get overwhelming at times trying to sift through the vast amount of

> information required to learn.

>

> THANK YOU for this group and taking the time to methodically go through

> these vital pieces of the sacred Jyotish " puzzle " !!

>

> It is making it MUCH easy to put the pieces together!!

>

> Namaste!!

>

> elaine

>

>

>

>

>

Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " -

Ralph Waldo

> Emerson

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:25 AM

>

> Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

>

>

>

> Dear Elean ji,

> You said:

> ==>

> I have miscarried 2 sons (at 4 and 5 months) ..

> <==

> Parasara is deriving the result " lose of first son/daughter " for in

> case LL in 5th house. Note that the result apply ONLY to the FIRST

> child, and not to others. If the miscarried sons where the first

> children - the result is over; and the later results you have

> mentioned has nothing to do with the said combination.

> It is really sad to hear such a story - and let us pray to god for

> every thing to take a beneficial turn.

> You said:

> ==>

> > Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR and SaR

> > conjunct and also aspected by a " benific " (Vimshopaka Bala) but

> > Functional malefic Mercury in 11th (it's own sign) in 5th.

> <==

> Thus -

> In Leo : Lagna

> 5th (Sg) : Su, JuR, SaR

> 11th (Ge) : Me

> Let us see what this minimum information can tell us -

> * LL in 5th : Lose of first child

> * 5th lord in 5th: Many children, happiness from children

> * 5th lord in 5th, aspected by Me (in own house): Many children,

> happiness from children, good education to children, affection and

> attachment between mother and children.

> * Malefic (Sa) in 5th: lose of children (abortions)

> * 7th lord in 5th: separation from husband (divorce), husband and

> your self having multiple relations.

> * 6th lord in 5th: Friends cheating you, you are selfish as well as

> kind, living a life with enough wealth, will become enemy to son. Even

> if you do something to favor the son he may take it otherwise.

> * 11th lord in 11th: good earnings, good education.

> * Me aspecting Ju: Good education to children.

> * 6th lord in 5th conjucting Ju (significator of children): Disease

> affecting children.

>

> Thus, most of the results you are going through is indicated by the

> horoscope. Note that the special benefic result " happiness from

> children, good education to children, affection and attachment between

> mother and children " is also indicated by the chart. So hope for the

> best, and try act in that direction.

> There is no better remedy to mould the destiny and gain the peace of

> mind than meditation. Let the blessings of all be with you.

> As Zar ji said, in any case don't worry too much -

> ==>

> we need all our experiences and all our mistakes so we can learn from

> them and grow into our Divine Humanness.

> <==

> Except that what we are left with - the path is in that direction -

> all events leading to the same.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> <%40> , " Elaine Gardner "

> <egardner@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste all J

> >

> > Please excuse my ignorance in this matter as I haven't been studying

> Jyotish

> > for very long (or rather haven't had the time to devote to it that I

> should

> > because of illness)—but I DO have a question concerning 5th

> House---and my

> > son.

> >

> > Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR and SaR

> conjunct and

> > also aspected by a " benific " (Vimshopaka Bala) but Functional malefic

> > Mercury in 11th (it's own sign) in 5th. As with many things you all

> have

> > been talking about—with inauspicious results in regards to

sons—I'm also

> > reading that this placement I have is also very inauspicious for

> sons. I

> > have miscarried 2 sons (at 4 and 5 months) and I'm unsure if this is

> > related, but almost 2 years ago my fiancé died in a freak

accident—I was

> > supposed to adopt his 2 son's 2 days later,…I haven't seen them since.

> >

> > I also have a 17year old son..who is my pride and joy. (along with 2

> > daughters—but, my son was born with the exact mutation of a genetic

> disorder

> > that I have—the doctors have NEVER seen this, so he's kind of like

> my little

> > twin J ). My son has done excellent all his life—both physically and

> > academically. Despite also being diagnosed with ADD, I began

> treating him

> > with herbal and ayurvedic remedies many years ago and he has

excelled in

> > many different areas. Well, until very recently that is. Long

> story short

> > is that I haven't seen my son in over a year. His father basically

> > kidnapped him and took him overseas. His father is an active

> alcoholic and

> > drug addict and in the past 3-4 months my son has been experimenting

> > also—his dad does nothing about it, and I can't do anything except

> pray and

> > talk to him when I can reach him. He is a senior in High School,

but is

> > taking several college courses because of his academic

> excellence---right

> > now, he's barely passing. He's more interested in his video games

> (which he

> > rarely ever played before) and getting high than studying. He also

> used to

> > have a VERY active yoga and meditation practice of his own, has had

> mantra

> > initiation and attended the Temple with me frequently having VERY

> long talks

> > with the Pandits and elders. He no longer does his practice. I'm

> > frightened of what might happen and after reading the results of the

> > combinations I have in my chart—together with my past history.

> >

> > What else should I be looking at in my chart, if anything? Is there

> > anything specific I can look for in his chart---maybe something to

> give me a

> > little comfort?

> >

> >

> >

> > In the meantime, I pray to the Divine Mother for his health and

> safety and

> > keep up with my own practice. Until, and unless I can find a legal

> loophole

> > to bring him back or force his fathers hand…I really have no direct

> control

> > over the situation. Of course, even if he was here, and has a

> problem with

> > addiction—it would be tough. BUT, at least he's still a minor for

> the next

> > 10 months and I could force *something*.

> >

> > I look forward to any response,

> >

> > Dhyanaavad,

> >

> > elaine

> >

> >

> >

> > In the Mothers Divine Love

> >

> > Jai Ma!!

> >

> >

> >

> > Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " -

> Ralph Waldo

> > Emerson

> >

> >

> >

> >

> <%40>

> > [

> <%40> ] On Behalf Of

zhar bird

> > Friday, September 28, 2007 11:07 PM

> >

> <%40>

> > Re: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

> >

> >

> >

> > You are very wrong in regards of only male chart would show sex of

> child.

> > Study the rest of chart, i.e. other planets in 5th (mars + sun would

> show

> > male; Venus - female; Moon, Ju+Me would show more than 1; Sa would

> limit how

> > many). The same planets affect sex and number if they rule or,

> especially,

> > directly aspect the 5th house and its planets.

> >

> > K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> >

> > dear learned members,

> > As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation

> > to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would

> > like to share my observations. my observations are not

> > from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th

> > house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger

> > being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of

> > progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to

> > the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy

> > the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad

> > relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good

> > atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the

> > lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the

> > anger or the outburst will be due to the native being

> > a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest.

> > In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the

> > male chart can tell whether he will get a male child

> > or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie

> > XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the

> > individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned

> > astrologers to correct me.

> >

> > good wishes,

> > k.gopu

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Yes...I did see your humour...and thanks too. It is always nice to

have a deviation from serious stuff ..once in a way. That is why

Sreeram ji's postings are always interesting.

 

blessings

 

Renu

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> I was NOT AT ALL referring to you!

> I just meant I was making a joyous response to you.. Hope you

see

> the point.

> Love and Hugs,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > ---> There is no fight, but only the lack of ability to

understand

> > fun

> > > or joyous friendly messages of some members. They gets

> > irritated

> > > simply without reason - let us bear with it.

> >

> > Exactly...no fight..to fight one needs to get angry..and for

that..I

> > don't know about others..but my LL is not in 5H.

> >

> > But I will not agree with.. " simply without reason " ...But I rest

my

> > case..now...here.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> > > As you rightly mentioned Male and Females are equally

important.

> > > As astrology and spirituality teaches us Siva-Sakti is

> > > complementary; Male-Female is complementary; Sun-Moon is

> > > complementary (in astrology); all the seemingly opposite

things

> > > complement each other. Good-Bad; War-Pease;God-Devil;Heven-

> > > Hell;Sadness-Happiness;Benefic-Malefic all examples for the

same.

> > In

> > > thinking approaches Analytic-Holistic is example for the same.

> > > Without all of them complementing each other the world cannot

be.

> > We

> > > know that - and that is why we can we joyously state (knowing

tht

> > it

> > > cannot be true - but for fun) that Male is better or Female is

> > > better - when we encounter ppl who erroneously is at one side

of

> > the

> > > pendulum. When we see such ppl, an individual who knows

this,

> > > usually takes the other stand and provide arguments and enjoys

the

> > > situation - and thus tries to bring the other into balance.

It

> > is

> > > that simple. Never mistake such funful, joyous exercise for

> > fight

> > > or partiality - it is not so.

> > > Now coming to your statement regarding astrology -

> > > ==>

> > > Q: What will happen if moon as a lagna lord is placed in 5th

> > house

> > > or Jupiter as lagna lord is placed in 5th house 'Aries' or

Venus

> > as

> > > LL is placed in 5th house in Aquarius .

> > > A: In all such cases there would be no harm to children or

there

> > > would not be any abortion as well.

> > > <==

> > > The question is OK, but not your answer. Because possibly

> > neither

> > > you verified it with horoscopes, nor the texts under

consideration

> > > support it. First, we need to verify it with horoscopes, since

no

> > > seemingly evident logic is visible to support the same (i.e.

LL in

> > > 5th giving trouble to Cp or Aq) even though the sloka provided

by

> > > Parasara indicate such a result.

> > > Your example contains an error as far as considering Sg as

Lagna

> > > and LL in 5th house Aries. Note that lord of Aries, i.e. Mars,

is

> > > lord of 12th house from Lagna, i.e. Scorpio as well. As you

know

> > > well 12th house can indicate loss or death, as suggested by

> > > Parasara. For Sg lagna, LL in 5th house Aries is supposed to

> > reflect

> > > the result of both Aries and Scorpio since both these signs

are

> > > owned by Mars, the depositor of Ju - in this case.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Binod Kumar

Jha

> > > <bkjha162@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Freinds,

> > > >

> > > > I am extremely sorry to read about immotional fight over

> > equality

> > > of male & female. Both are equally important for this universe

to

> > > survive & prosper.

> > > >

> > > > Please dont fight over issue of equality of male and female.

> > > >

> > > > What will happen if moon as a lagna lord is placed in 5th

house

> > > or Jupiter as lagna lord is placed in 5th house 'Aries' or

Venus

> > as

> > > LL is placed in 5th house in Aquarius . In all such cases

there

> > > would be no harm to children or there would not be any

abortion as

> > > well.

> > > >

> > > > pratima_jha

> > > >

> > > > Quoting phyllis@:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > Ernst Wilhelm [ernst@]

> > > > September 27, 2007 11:40 AM

> > > >

> > > > RE: Re: Lagna lord in

5th

> > House

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > These types of yogas do indicate death, unless there are

arishta

> > > Bhanga

> > > > yogas that prevent the death, in which case there are still

> > health

> > > > considerations or stress during birth to the child and or

> > mother,

> > > but only

> > > > when there are arishta bhanga yogas, otherwise it is death,

and

> > > certainly no

> > > > cause for a girl! You will see these yogas in charts of

babies

> > > born with

> > > > emergency c-section for instance.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jai Rama,

> > > >

> > > > Ernst

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Behalf

Of

> > > renunw

> > > > Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:19 AM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Lagna lord in 5th

House

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > >

> > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > hopeless

> > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > >

> > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is absurd

and

> > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > hopeless

> > > > child?

> > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > nothing

> > > to

> > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other

suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > > dominant

> > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > daughter?

> > > Do

> > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of

a

> > > malefic

> > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her mother's

> > > horoscope?

> > > >

> > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

male

> > > and

> > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Elaine ji,

==>

> I returned to my practice and also vowed at the time to take up

> the studies (Jyotish, Ayurveda and I'm taking a Sanskrit course)

> that I am involved with now.

<==

Great! Your 'Divine Mother' is a blessed soul, who ever that be in

her presence and absence.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Elaine Gardner "

<egardner wrote:

>

> Dearest Sreenadhji,

>

>

>

> Thank you sir, but in the past year and a half, there was certainly

a period

> that I succumbed to fear, confusion and depression. Luckily, it was

a short

> period, and I honestly feel that it was the result of abandoning my own

> practice and daily meditation that preceded it. Thank heavens, that

with

> the Divine Mothers Grace—(my son said that in my stubbornness, She

had to do

> the equivalent of " hitting me over the head with a sledgehammer " to

" bring

> me back " J), I returned to my practice and also vowed at the time to

take up

> the studies (Jyotish, Ayurveda and I'm taking a Sanskrit course)

that I am

> involved with now. Dealing with death in the most personal manner,

(both

> with my fiancé and my own diagnosis) has taught me more lessons than

I ever

> believed I could learn in such a short period. BUT, I still have a

LOT to

> learn and with the Mothers continued Grace, I'll keep giving it my best

> effort—One day at a time. J

>

> Namaste,

>

> elaine

>

>

>

> Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " -

Ralph Waldo

> Emerson

>

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:44 AM

>

> Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

>

>

>

> Dear Elaine ji,

> I am feeling much thankful to you for having such a blessed soul in

> this group, who could keep her joyous soul even in all these hardships

> and feel blessed.. Thanks a lot...

> With Love and warms hugs,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> <%40> , " Elaine Gardner "

> <egardner@> wrote:

> >

> > Dearest K Gopuji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you so much for your concern. My cancer was in remission for

> a time,

> > but unfortunately, the chemo had taken its toll on other areas-such as

> > dental and renal (due to my genetic disorder, I was born with just one

> > functioning kidney). After several oral surgeries, and MUCH waiting

> because

> > of insurance, this problem should be resolved within the next

> month-barring

> > any further delays. Unfortunately, my renal (kidney) situation

isn't as

> > easy. I currently am on " part-time " dialysis going 3 days a week.

> While

> > the cancer has returned, I remain hopeful after another round of

> chemo and

> > surgery to remove my spleen, part of my pancreas and more lymph

> glands. At

> > this time, I am foregoing any further chemo and am going to TRY and

> stick to

> > a strict Ayurvedic regimen as that is what preceded the 6 months of

> > remission. I have been VERY blessed and the Divine Mother has sent me

> > someone to help out financially so I CAN continue with the

> supplements, etc.

> > in return for teaching her some basic yoga (Hatha) and meditation

> > techniques-and she also purchased some of my artwork I did this past

> year. J

> > SO..overall, I'm doing MUCH better-except for continuing to be VERY

> tired,

> > which can be extremely frustrating!!! I've also had a lot of computer

> > problems which have limited my time online these past 3-4 months.

> (Dell has

> > replaced *5* laptops so far this year!!!)

> >

> > Again, thank you for enquiring and now that I'm online

> again---hopefully,

> > for awhile, I will be in touch with Bhaskarji J

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > Elaine

> >

> > In the Mothers divine Love and Service

> >

> > Jai Ma!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " -

> Ralph Waldo

> > Emerson

> >

> >

> >

> >

> <%40>

> > [

> <%40> ] On Behalf Of K

Gopu

> > Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:54 AM

> >

> <%40>

> > RE: Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dear elaine,

> > how is ur health? U were active in jyotish ganga group

> > run by Sri Bhaskar. I recollect u had health related

> > problems maybe 6months after which u werent

> > interacting. i am sure u must be feeling better and

> > coming back to normal health after the treatment. I

> > pray for ur good health and also ur son shud come back

> > to u and excel in his academics as he was earlier.

> >

> > good wishes,

> > k.gopu

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit ji,

Please check the previous mails. It is already supplied.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " litsol " <mlalit

wrote:

>

> Dear Elaine,

>

> Can u send pls. ur birh details along with name and

> longitude/lattitude of the place of birth. This w'd help us as well

> as you to understand ur case better ways.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

> , " Elaine Gardner "

> <egardner@> wrote:

> >

> > Dearest Sreenadji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you so much for these interpretations!! I was using

> Parasharas

> > Lite which gave me very different results. Did you get your results

> > directly from BPHS? I'd been told that that is where PL gets its

> > interpretations from—but, I'm afraid I've never checked to

> compare. I'm

> > afraid I've found it MUCH more difficult these past 9 months to

> concentrate

> > and focus than I have before and I haven't been as meticulous in my

> studies

> > as I should be. I think I should put the plethora of books I've

> collected

> > aside for the time being and just concentrate on learning the

> > interpretations from the classics!! I'm also spoiled—as I think

> many

> > are—with using the software to do much of the leg work I should be

> doing

> > myself. As a beginner, and with no prior experience in astrology,

> it can

> > get overwhelming at times trying to sift through the vast amount of

> > information required to learn.

> >

> > THANK YOU for this group and taking the time to methodically go

> through

> > these vital pieces of the sacred Jyotish " puzzle " !!

> >

> > It is making it MUCH easy to put the pieces together!!

> >

> > Namaste!!

> >

> > elaine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " -

> Ralph Waldo

> > Emerson

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of

> Sreenadh

> > Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:25 AM

> >

> > Re: Lagna lord in 5th House

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Elean ji,

> > You said:

> > ==>

> > I have miscarried 2 sons (at 4 and 5 months) ..

> > <==

> > Parasara is deriving the result " lose of first son/daughter " for in

> > case LL in 5th house. Note that the result apply ONLY to the FIRST

> > child, and not to others. If the miscarried sons where the first

> > children - the result is over; and the later results you have

> > mentioned has nothing to do with the said combination.

> > It is really sad to hear such a story - and let us pray to god for

> > every thing to take a beneficial turn.

> > You said:

> > ==>

> > > Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR and SaR

> > > conjunct and also aspected by a " benific " (Vimshopaka Bala) but

> > > Functional malefic Mercury in 11th (it's own sign) in 5th.

> > <==

> > Thus -

> > In Leo : Lagna

> > 5th (Sg) : Su, JuR, SaR

> > 11th (Ge) : Me

> > Let us see what this minimum information can tell us -

> > * LL in 5th : Lose of first child

> > * 5th lord in 5th: Many children, happiness from children

> > * 5th lord in 5th, aspected by Me (in own house): Many children,

> > happiness from children, good education to children, affection and

> > attachment between mother and children.

> > * Malefic (Sa) in 5th: lose of children (abortions)

> > * 7th lord in 5th: separation from husband (divorce), husband and

> > your self having multiple relations.

> > * 6th lord in 5th: Friends cheating you, you are selfish as well as

> > kind, living a life with enough wealth, will become enemy to son.

> Even

> > if you do something to favor the son he may take it otherwise.

> > * 11th lord in 11th: good earnings, good education.

> > * Me aspecting Ju: Good education to children.

> > * 6th lord in 5th conjucting Ju (significator of children): Disease

> > affecting children.

> >

> > Thus, most of the results you are going through is indicated by the

> > horoscope. Note that the special benefic result " happiness from

> > children, good education to children, affection and attachment

> between

> > mother and children " is also indicated by the chart. So hope for the

> > best, and try act in that direction.

> > There is no better remedy to mould the destiny and gain the peace of

> > mind than meditation. Let the blessings of all be with you.

> > As Zar ji said, in any case don't worry too much -

> > ==>

> > we need all our experiences and all our mistakes so we can learn

> from

> > them and grow into our Divine Humanness.

> > <==

> > Except that what we are left with - the path is in that direction -

> > all events leading to the same.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> >

> > <%40> , " Elaine

> Gardner "

> > <egardner@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste all J

> > >

> > > Please excuse my ignorance in this matter as I haven't been

> studying

> > Jyotish

> > > for very long (or rather haven't had the time to devote to it

> that I

> > should

> > > because of illness)—but I DO have a question concerning 5th

> > House---and my

> > > son.

> > >

> > > Although my LL (Sun) is not placed in 5th, I have JuR and SaR

> > conjunct and

> > > also aspected by a " benific " (Vimshopaka Bala) but Functional

> malefic

> > > Mercury in 11th (it's own sign) in 5th. As with many things you

> all

> > have

> > > been talking about—with inauspicious results in regards to sons—

> I'm also

> > > reading that this placement I have is also very inauspicious for

> > sons. I

> > > have miscarried 2 sons (at 4 and 5 months) and I'm unsure if this

> is

> > > related, but almost 2 years ago my fiancé died in a freak

> accident—I was

> > > supposed to adopt his 2 son's 2 days later,…I haven't seen them

> since.

> > >

> > > I also have a 17year old son..who is my pride and joy. (along

> with 2

> > > daughters—but, my son was born with the exact mutation of a

> genetic

> > disorder

> > > that I have—the doctors have NEVER seen this, so he's kind of like

> > my little

> > > twin J ). My son has done excellent all his life—both physically

> and

> > > academically. Despite also being diagnosed with ADD, I began

> > treating him

> > > with herbal and ayurvedic remedies many years ago and he has

> excelled in

> > > many different areas. Well, until very recently that is. Long

> > story short

> > > is that I haven't seen my son in over a year. His father basically

> > > kidnapped him and took him overseas. His father is an active

> > alcoholic and

> > > drug addict and in the past 3-4 months my son has been

> experimenting

> > > also—his dad does nothing about it, and I can't do anything except

> > pray and

> > > talk to him when I can reach him. He is a senior in High School,

> but is

> > > taking several college courses because of his academic

> > excellence---right

> > > now, he's barely passing. He's more interested in his video games

> > (which he

> > > rarely ever played before) and getting high than studying. He also

> > used to

> > > have a VERY active yoga and meditation practice of his own, has

> had

> > mantra

> > > initiation and attended the Temple with me frequently having VERY

> > long talks

> > > with the Pandits and elders. He no longer does his practice. I'm

> > > frightened of what might happen and after reading the results of

> the

> > > combinations I have in my chart—together with my past history.

> > >

> > > What else should I be looking at in my chart, if anything? Is

> there

> > > anything specific I can look for in his chart---maybe something to

> > give me a

> > > little comfort?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In the meantime, I pray to the Divine Mother for his health and

> > safety and

> > > keep up with my own practice. Until, and unless I can find a legal

> > loophole

> > > to bring him back or force his fathers hand…I really have no

> direct

> > control

> > > over the situation. Of course, even if he was here, and has a

> > problem with

> > > addiction—it would be tough. BUT, at least he's still a minor for

> > the next

> > > 10 months and I could force *something*.

> > >

> > > I look forward to any response,

> > >

> > > Dhyanaavad,

> > >

> > > elaine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In the Mothers Divine Love

> > >

> > > Jai Ma!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let us be silent, that we may hear the whispers of the gods. " -

> > Ralph Waldo

> > > Emerson

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > [

> > <%40> ] On Behalf Of

> zhar bird

> > > Friday, September 28, 2007 11:07 PM

> > >

> > <%40>

> > > Re: Re: Lagna lord in 5th

> House

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You are very wrong in regards of only male chart would show sex of

> > child.

> > > Study the rest of chart, i.e. other planets in 5th (mars + sun

> would

> > show

> > > male; Venus - female; Moon, Ju+Me would show more than 1; Sa would

> > limit how

> > > many). The same planets affect sex and number if they rule or,

> > especially,

> > > directly aspect the 5th house and its planets.

> > >

> > > K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear learned members,

> > > As i follow the thread on the above topic in relation

> > > to anger if the lagna lord is in 5th bhave, I would

> > > like to share my observations. my observations are not

> > > from text books. I fail to understand as to why 5th

> > > house can give rise to emotional imbalance( anger

> > > being part of emotion). 5th will be more ideal of

> > > progeny because it is 2nd from 4th ( ie addition to

> > > the family). if lagna lord is a malefic it can destroy

> > > the qualities of that bhava. It is like u allow a bad

> > > relative into ur house, he can always destroy the good

> > > atmosphere of the house. anger is more seen if the

> > > lagna lord is in lagna in particular sun, mars. the

> > > anger or the outburst will be due to the native being

> > > a perfectionist and he expects the same from the rest.

> > > In regds to progeny whether a male or female only the

> > > male chart can tell whether he will get a male child

> > > or female. Because the gender chromosome factor ie

> > > XX(female) and XY(male) lies only in sperm of the

> > > individual. I may be wrong, but i wud like learned

> > > astrologers to correct me.

> > >

> > > good wishes,

> > > k.gopu

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear pratima ji,

==>

> U are talking of 7 -fold approach. I also fully agree to that.

> Therefore, it becomes more important to study chart in totality.

<==

Try to eat the cake in pieces - other wise it can cause many

problems and indigestion.

Note: Please don't compare the cake served here with the ones you

found in those 'hundreds of texts' and books - it is different. We

are serving cakes based on the original recipe (of the sages) alone.

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, bkjha162 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> Thanks for your valued comments.

>

> U are talking of 7 -fold approach. I also fully agree to that.

Therefore, it becomes more important to study chart in totallity.

While going through basic treasureos Astrology written by Parasar,

Mansagari, etc they have elaborated upon characteristics of a person

born under different constallation, different lagna , differnt moon

rashi. Similarly they have disscussed about placement of different

planets in different houses and in combination with each other etc.

> I have gone through hundreds of chart having few " rajyogs " but they

are of normal means. On the other hand without any raj yoga people

have become millionnaire. This is because placement of one particular

planet in particular does not decide fate of the person.

> Whether we agree or not we must not generalise a rule. I prefer to

read any combination with reference to placement of other planets in

natat chart and divisional chart.

>

> Thanks. But , I read your comments & suggetions keenly . Those are

very educative,

>

> yours

>

> pratima_jha

>

> \\Quoting sreesog:

>

> > Dear Pratima ji,

> ==>

> > In my opinion placing of LL in 5th house should not be considered

> in isolation .

> <==

> If Parasara, Meenaraja and many others did the same to teach us

> the methodology of result derivation - we too can do the same I

> think. Or better it should be stated that - We MUST do the same to

> learn the methedology well. There is no other way for systematic

> learning of 7-fold approach of astrology.

> All the other things you mention are never considered by the sages

> to deduce the said derivation - then why should we, I wonder! Hope

> you see the point.

> Of course you are right in stating that if many other indication

> regarding the same is ALSO present in the chart the

> result/derivation is EMPHASISED. Let us not confuce A DERIVATION and

> CUMULATIVE EMPHASIS gained by a result by multiple derivations

> pointing to the same result.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , bkjha162@ wrote:

> >

> > In my opinion placing of LL in 5th house should not be considered

> in isolation . If LL is friendly to lord of 5th house or LL is

> positively placed in 5th house, if it has aspect of strong benefics

> Venus , Jup then there would be positive result in cases like birth

> of child, their education, own intelligence etc.

> >

> > If malefics particularly Mars, Rahu and Sun in that order is LL

> and placed in 5th house, then without any exception there would be

> abortion / death of first child in males chart and bad tempered

> child, handicapped etc if same happens in males chart....

> >

> >

> > Pratima_jha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Quoting sreesog@:

> >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > ==>

> > > (If LL in 5th) his concentration is not towards nourishing the

> 5th

> > > house but extracting from it.

> > <==

> > But we already have the well supported rule that LL going to any

> > house will give beneficial results to that house. Such a conclusion

> > with contradict with that rule.

> > ==>

> > > Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i

> feel

> > > the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

> > <==

> > No that can't be said - there is well founded reason for LL

> going to

> > 7th giving some bad results. i.e. Consider any sign, 7th HL is

> always

> > the enemy of the LL. Parasara must have this in mind. So Parasara's

> > derivations regarding LL going to 7th cannot be considered as

> > supportive to your above argument.

> > ==>

> > > Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot

> of

> > > help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

> > > difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

> > <==

> > There too Parasara is saying that LL going to 3rd will give 'many

> > brothers', indicating that LL going to 3rd is beneficial for 3rd

> house.

> > ==>

> > > Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity

> and

> > > Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement

> leading to

> > > sudden anger when disturbed.

> > <==

> > Yes, you have a point - LL going to any house indicate

> attachment to

> > the things indicated by that house. In the case of 5th, as you

> said it

> > is Children, Creativity etc. This attachment and ego could cause

> anger

> > - but I still doubt to what extend our argument is correct.

> > Another possibility is that 5th is 3rd (growth) from 3rd (anger) -

> > thus the same could indicate growth of anger I feel; but still as

> RK

> > ji pointed out - this could be too much extending. Therefore not

> much

> > confident about this argument as well.

> > ==>

> > > I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

> > > malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

> > <==

> > Yes, of course I agree with it - anybody with such combination in

> > his/her horoscope should note that -

> > * what we are trying to do is NOT to predict, but rather trying to

> > understand the 'House Base' result derivation technique. A

> systematic

> > study of the results proposed by sages - to understand the

> technique

> > involved.

> > Thanks for pouring in your views to help us all in trying to

> > understand the 'ways of Parasara' in a better way.

> > Love and Hugs,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji and other learned members who have contributed

> > >

> > > ''If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > > moderate well-being from children. The native will lose his

> first

> > > child. He would be a proud individual with much self-respect and

> > > reputation. He would be dear to the king.'' - Parasara

> > >

> > > As sage Parasara has said so ,there should be some reason.My

> views-

> > >

> > > 5th lord is the main party responsible for protecting 5th house

> and

> > > not Lagna Lord.Lagna lord in 5th is pointing to the individual

> going

> > > to the house of children/followers/Creativity/Position.Here the

> > > individual is extracting something from that house as compared

> to

> > > 5th lord going to Lagna.

> > >

> > > In the case of Mata Amritananda Mayi 5th lord Saturn is exalted

> in

> > > lagna.Followers/Children are taking consort in Lagna/AMMA.They

> are

> > > exalted or very happy there.

> > >

> > > Thus coming to the point - in this case the individual is not

> taking

> > > care of child(is absent minded) but is interested in his gains -

> His

> > > Pratibha/His positions etc.This can result in the loss of fisrt

> > > child and there onwards the individual may be bit careful.Even

> then

> > > his concentration is not towards nourishing the 5th house but

> > > extracting from it(moderate happiness).

> > >

> > > Parasara has also said the same regarding LL in the 7th.Here i

> feel

> > > the individual is extracting from 7th and looking at 1st.

> > >

> > > Similarly i feel if LL is in 3rd - The individual might get lot

> of

> > > help from siblings and he might not very much aware of their

> > > difficulties(irresponsible in their matters).

> > >

> > > Regarding anger - I feel it is the house of Pratibha/creativity

> and

> > > Lagna will be in a state of concentration and involvement

> leading to

> > > sudden anger when disturbed.Moreover being lorded by followers

> > > and ''new things'' - creativity/children etc - Lagna might not

> be

> > > very happy with the perfection of surroundings(immaturity).

> > >

> > > Regarding dear to king -I feel it is so as 5th is the ''Bhava''

> > > manifesting as Ministerial environment.

> > >

> > > I feel many with LL in 5th may not worry, as only if multiple

> > > malefic factors are present the worst results can happen.

> > >

> > > Looking forward for expert views.

> > >

> > > Regds

> > > Pradeep

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > The results for Lagna lord in 5th house is discussed below.

> > > >

> > > > ==============================================

> > > > Lagna lord in 5th House

> > > > -----------------------------

> > > >

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud an

> individual

> > > with

> > > > much self-respect and reputation and a bit angry but righteous

> and

> > > kind.

> > > > He will have children. He may have moderate well-being from

> > > children and

> > > > may lose his first child as well, especially if there is some

> > > malefic

> > > > influence on 5th house. He would be dear to the people with

> power

> > > and

> > > > authority. He will have good authority or rulership and will

> enjoy

> > > a

> > > > good eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good

> qualities, he

> > > will

> > > > do many good deeds.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be angry; will have

> > > moderate

> > > > well-being from children. The native will lose his first

> child. He

> > > would

> > > > be a proud individual with much self-respect and reputation.

> He

> > > would be

> > > > dear to the king.

> > > >

> > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > >

> > > > Why should lagna lord going to 5th make the native an angry and

> > > > aggressive individual? One of the logic behind could be - 5th

> is

> > > 3rd

> > > > from 3rd house; and Upachaya (increase) stana of 3rd house.

> 3rd

> > > house

> > > > signify anger and possibly that is why lagna lord in 5th

> increases

> > > the

> > > > anger and agitation of the native. But also not that 5th is

> 2nd

> > > house

> > > > from 4th (simple and humble mind) making the native a straight

> > > forward

> > > > individual. It is also mentioned in the sloka that the native

> will

> > > lose

> > > > his first child - why? The natural expectation would be that

> lagna

> > > lord

> > > > in 5th should bestow good results for 5th, thus providing

> children

> > > and

> > > > happiness from children to the native. Of course if lagna lord

> is

> > > in 5th

> > > > is afflicted by some malefic, then it would have double

> impact,

> > > since

> > > > the same would affect both the 5th house and the lagna lord

> > > amplifying

> > > > the possibility for bad result. Since 5th could signify the

> first

> > > child

> > > > the bad result could be attributed to the first child as well.

> > > Actually

> > > > this is what we see mentioned in Meenaraja hora. But Parasara

> > > provides

> > > > no such clue about any required malefic influence in 5th

> house! We

> > > are

> > > > wonder stuck by this derivation, and we fail to imagine any

> solid

> > > reason

> > > > behind such a derivation in the absence of any malefic

> influence

> > > on 5th

> > > > house. Another version of the same sloka is available, which

> also

> > > > provides similar results.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th, the native would be proud; will have

> > > moderate

> > > > well-being from children. He will lose his first child. He

> would be

> > > > angry and will have special privileges in the king's place.

> > > >

> > > > - Parasara Hora

> > > >

> > > > Apart from minor differences this sloka gives almost same

> results

> > > as

> > > > above. It seems that, the loss of first child should be

> predicted

> > > only

> > > > if there is a malefic influence in 5th house, since the other

> > > available

> > > > slokas give good results concerning children if lagna lord is

> in

> > > 5th

> > > > house. [Note that similar to in this sloka Parasara will not

> > > mention

> > > > `if the lagna lord is malefic and placed in x house' in many

> > > > other slokas as well. We will encounter this writing style

> related

> > > issue

> > > > in many other instances as well] Let us see what Meenaraja has

> to

> > > say.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> > > righteous

> > > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will

> enjoy

> > > a good

> > > > eventful and enjoyable life. Bestowed with good qualities, he

> will

> > > do

> > > > many good deeds.

> > > >

> > > > - Meenaraja Hora

> > > >

> > > > In one printed version of Meenaraja Hora the word Suseela is

> > > quoted as

> > > > Sugeeta (Good in singing). Select the proper word based on

> actual

> > > > experience observed.

> > > >

> > > > Note that as per Meenaraja lagna lord in 5th `provides

> children'

> > > > and does not `destroy children'. Even though Parasara only says

> > > > that `lose of first child could happen', he too does not say

> > > > that `the native will not have children'. If we combine the

> > > > statements of both Parasara and Meenaraja the only conclusion

> we

> > > could

> > > > reach is `The native will have children, but he may loss his

> first

> > > > child as well'. But it should be noted that the loss of first

> child

> > > > does not seems to be logically supported in the absence of

> malefic

> > > > influence on 5th house - this was my initial inference. (An

> > > amendment is

> > > > proposed later) The sloka provided by Hora Pradeepam is almost

> the

> > > same

> > > > as that of Meenaraja.

> > > >

> > > > If lagna lord is in 5th house, the native will have children,

> > > righteous

> > > > and kind. He will have good authority or rulership and will

> enjoy

> > > a good

> > > > eventful and happy life. Bestowed with good qualities, he will

> do

> > > many

> > > > good deeds.

> > > >

> > > > - Hora Pradeepam

> > > >

> > > > Parasara says that Lagna lord in 5th would make the native

> angry -

> > > why?

> > > > Clearly any direct logic is not visible. Sun is the natural

> > > significator

> > > > of Lagna. If we are considering lagna lord in 5th as similar

> to

> > > sun in

> > > > 5th, then the above derivation would be justified and possibly

> the

> > > lose

> > > > of first child as well. But is it a correct approach? I am

> > > doubtful.

> > > > Only verifying the actual results from charts with similar

> > > combination

> > > > can shed some light on this issue.

> > > >

> > > > Rule 5: Lagna lord in any house should be treated similar to

> Sun

> > > in that

> > > > house, since Sun is the natural significator of Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > I am a bit doubtful about the validity of the above rule. If

> not

> > > > supported by actual results it is better to ignore the above

> rule.

> > > The

> > > > logic supplied till now does not seem to be capable enough to

> > > > satisfactorily explain the strong results proposed by Parasara

> > > such as -

> > > > Lagna lord in 5th causing the loss of first child; it will

> also

> > > make the

> > > > native an angry individual. There should be some other logic

> as

> > > well.

> > > >

> > > > On retrospect we feel that - Parasara will not say something

> > > without a

> > > > sold reason. Why should he bring planets base result (e.g.

> > > > benefic/malefic) into it, when he was dealing with House base

> > > > prediction? That is not logical. There could be some other in-

> depth

> > > > reason. Yes, you are right - there is. Let us analyze all the

> > > possible

> > > > houses and lagna lord in their fifth house, and check whether

> the

> > > same

> > > > can cause the loss of child -

> > > >

> > > > 1) Aries lagna, lagna lord Mars in Leo: Yes, Leo is a sign

> > > signifying

> > > > less children, and Mars a malefic in it can indicate loss of

> child

> > > for

> > > > sure.

> > > >

> > > > 2) Taurus lagna, lagna lord Venus in Virgo: Virgo is the

> > > debilitation

> > > > sign for Venus. Also not that Venus owns the lordship of 6th

> house

> > > as

> > > > well. Thus for sure for Taurus lagna Venus in 5th can indicate

> > > loss of

> > > > child for sure.

> > > >

> > > > 3) Gemini lagna, lagna lord Me in Libra: Note that Venus the

> lord

> > > of

> > > > Libra owns the 12th house (house indicating death) as well.

> > > Possibly the

> > > > combination can indicate loss or death.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Cancer lagna, Moon in Scorpio: Scorpio is the debilitation

> sign

> > > for

> > > > Moon. Ofcourse the same can indicate the loss of child.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Leo lagna, Sun in Sagittarius: Note that the lord of

> Sagittarius

> > > > Jupiter owns the 8th house (death) as well. Thus certainly the

> > > > combination can indicate the loss or death of child.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Virgo lagna, Me in Capricorn: The lord of Capricorn Saturn

> owns

> > > the

> > > > 6th house as well. Possibly the combination can indicate bad

> > > results

> > > > such as loss of child - amended by the fact that both Mercury

> and

> > > Saturn

> > > > are imbecile planets.

> > > >

> > > > 7) Libra lagna, Venus in Aquarius: Note that lagna lord Venus

> is

> > > also

> > > > the 8th lord. Certainly 8th lord is a malefic, and a malefic

> > > placed in

> > > > 5th can indicate lose of child.

> > > >

> > > > If you continue this analysis, you could see that for most of

> the

> > > 12

> > > > signs, lagna lord placed in 5th can indicate the loss of

> child,

> > > even

> > > > though the same does not match perfectly for Aquarius and

> Pisces

> > > Lagna.

> > > > Thus it becomes clear that Parasara was not making a statement

> > > without

> > > > base or without understanding. His derivation sprung from the

> deep

> > > > understanding that `for all the 12 signs, lagna lord in 5th is

> not

> > > > favorably placed, and this can be crystallized into the brief

> > > statement

> > > > - lagna lord in 5th can indicate bad results such as - loss of

> > > first

> > > > child and anger'. Then is it that Meenaraja was wrong and

> Parasara

> > > > was right? No, it is not so. Meenaraja was deriving a result

> based

> > > on

> > > > the prime condition ? Lagna lord in 5th alone. For this prime

> > > > combination Meenaraja's derivation is absolutely right. But

> > > > Parasara's amendment springs from his deep understanding of the

> > > > zodiac. He knew that the general statement regarding lagna

> lord in

> > > other

> > > > houses may not be completely true for lagna lord in 5th, due to

> > > > essential mutually co-related nature of the signs itself. So

> his

> > > opinion

> > > > would be, `Yes, Meenaraja is right. But you know the Signs in

> > > > Zodiac, they have some specific connection to death as far as

> 5th

> > > house

> > > > is concerned. So your general derivation as proposed by

> Meenaraja

> > > will

> > > > not work in this case. Consider this special nature of 5th

> from

> > > all the

> > > > signs and modify your derivation accordingly. The you will see

> > > that,

> > > > lagna lord in 5th can signify many bad results such as loss of

> > > first

> > > > child and anger'. It must be this deeper understanding which

> > > > prompted Parasara to suggest such a result. Yes, Meenaraja is

> > > right, but

> > > > Parasara is also not off the mark. Meenaraja is concerned with

> the

> > > > general logic of the derivation only, but Parasara goes deeper

> in

> > > the

> > > > general zodiacal context. Note it - possibly in other

> situations

> > > as well

> > > > the same could be the case - Parasara has a better

> understanding

> > > about

> > > > the zodiacal context, and may mix it with general result

> > > derivation. His

> > > > thought and understanding penetrates into deaths; and is more

> far

> > > and

> > > > wide. He is not depended on mere logic alone - he is more

> > > practical. It

> > > > is because of this in-depth understanding; Parasara is termed

> a

> > > sage,

> > > > but Meenaraja a king, a scholar.

> > > >

> > > > But even this understanding of Parasara view does not does not

> > > allow me

> > > > to pardon him - because here to derive the result he mixed the

> > > methods

> > > > of Sign-House Base result derivation, while dealing with House

> Base

> > > > result derivation - causing confusion to the learner. I would

> > > suggest

> > > > that, in this context, the beginners should stick to the

> cleaner

> > > and

> > > > systematic approach proposed by Meenaraja, while trying to

> master

> > > House

> > > > Base result derivation technique. The deeper possibilities and

> > > > modification to the suggested results should dealt with and

> > > understood,

> > > > while trying to learn Sign-House Base result derivation

> technique.

> > > > The 5th house signifies things such as - children,

> intelligence,

> > > > creativity, genius, stomach, belly, ministers, secret hymns

> > > recited etc.

> > > > Thus the placement of lagna lord in 5th generates special

> > > importance to

> > > > the derivations related to the same.

> > > >

> > > > Extract from:

> > > >

> > >

> Sreenadh

> > > /La

> > > > gna%20lord%20in%20Various%20Houses.pdf

> > > > ==============================================

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pradeepji

 

Mars is unaspected in the strictest definition of aspect, but is

tightly conjunct Saturn and also has the company of the Moon.

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Atma Gnan

>

> Is Jupiter aspecting your 5th lord or Mars.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

> , " atma_gnan "

> <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > L1 in H5 : uncertainty as to whether an abortion/misscarraige

would

> > be indicative of the passing away of the first child -

first 'born'

> > maybe the context, although I stress the maybe.

> >

> > Anyhow if we assume that the defintion of fist child includes

born

> > and unborn then Parashara's rule would apply in my case (I have LL

> > (Mars) in H5).

> >

> > Regarding the anger: there are of course many other variables but

as

> > we are isolating here we could focus on the assumption that this

> > configuration promotes intelligence/learning and places the

native in

> > an authorative position. All three contribute to the growth of

ego to

> > varying extents (particularly the 'I am right-superior' syndrome)

> > which naturally, when challenged causes aggression.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " renunw "

> > <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > ---> There is no fight, but only the lack of ability to

> > understand

> > > fun

> > > > or joyous friendly messages of some members. They gets

> > > irritated

> > > > simply without reason - let us bear with it.

> > >

> > > Exactly...no fight..to fight one needs to get angry..and for

> > that..I

> > > don't know about others..but my LL is not in 5H.

> > >

> > > But I will not agree with.. " simply without reason " ...But I

rest my

> > > case..now...here.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > As you rightly mentioned Male and Females are equally

> > important.

> > > > As astrology and spirituality teaches us Siva-Sakti is

> > > > complementary; Male-Female is complementary; Sun-Moon is

> > > > complementary (in astrology); all the seemingly opposite

things

> > > > complement each other. Good-Bad; War-Pease;God-Devil;Heven-

> > > > Hell;Sadness-Happiness;Benefic-Malefic all examples for the

same.

> > > In

> > > > thinking approaches Analytic-Holistic is example for the

same.

> > > > Without all of them complementing each other the world cannot

be.

> > > We

> > > > know that - and that is why we can we joyously state (knowing

tht

> > > it

> > > > cannot be true - but for fun) that Male is better or Female

is

> > > > better - when we encounter ppl who erroneously is at one side

of

> > > the

> > > > pendulum. When we see such ppl, an individual who knows

this,

> > > > usually takes the other stand and provide arguments and

enjoys

> > the

> > > > situation - and thus tries to bring the other into

balance. It

> > > is

> > > > that simple. Never mistake such funful, joyous exercise

for

> > > fight

> > > > or partiality - it is not so.

> > > > Now coming to your statement regarding astrology -

> > > > ==>

> > > > Q: What will happen if moon as a lagna lord is placed in

5th

> > > house

> > > > or Jupiter as lagna lord is placed in 5th house 'Aries' or

Venus

> > > as

> > > > LL is placed in 5th house in Aquarius .

> > > > A: In all such cases there would be no harm to children or

there

> > > > would not be any abortion as well.

> > > > <==

> > > > The question is OK, but not your answer. Because possibly

> > > neither

> > > > you verified it with horoscopes, nor the texts under

> > consideration

> > > > support it. First, we need to verify it with horoscopes,

since no

> > > > seemingly evident logic is visible to support the same (i.e.

LL

> > in

> > > > 5th giving trouble to Cp or Aq) even though the sloka

provided by

> > > > Parasara indicate such a result.

> > > > Your example contains an error as far as considering Sg as

Lagna

> > > > and LL in 5th house Aries. Note that lord of Aries, i.e.

Mars, is

> > > > lord of 12th house from Lagna, i.e. Scorpio as well. As you

know

> > > > well 12th house can indicate loss or death, as suggested by

> > > > Parasara. For Sg lagna, LL in 5th house Aries is supposed to

> > > reflect

> > > > the result of both Aries and Scorpio since both these signs

are

> > > > owned by Mars, the depositor of Ju - in this case.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , Binod Kumar

Jha

> > > > <bkjha162@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Freinds,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am extremely sorry to read about immotional fight over

> > > equality

> > > > of male & female. Both are equally important for this

universe to

> > > > survive & prosper.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please dont fight over issue of equality of male and female.

> > > > >

> > > > > What will happen if moon as a lagna lord is placed in 5th

> > house

> > > > or Jupiter as lagna lord is placed in 5th house 'Aries' or

Venus

> > > as

> > > > LL is placed in 5th house in Aquarius . In all such cases

there

> > > > would be no harm to children or there would not be any

abortion

> > as

> > > > well.

> > > > >

> > > > > pratima_jha

> > > > >

> > > > > Quoting phyllis@:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > Ernst Wilhelm [ernst@]

> > > > > September 27, 2007 11:40 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > RE: Re: Lagna lord in

5th

> > > House

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > These types of yogas do indicate death, unless there are

> > arishta

> > > > Bhanga

> > > > > yogas that prevent the death, in which case there are still

> > > health

> > > > > considerations or stress during birth to the child and or

> > > mother,

> > > > but only

> > > > > when there are arishta bhanga yogas, otherwise it is death,

and

> > > > certainly no

> > > > > cause for a girl! You will see these yogas in charts of

babies

> > > > born with

> > > > > emergency c-section for instance.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Rama,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ernst

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Behalf

Of

> > > > renunw

> > > > > Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:19 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: Lagna lord in 5th

House

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > > " loss doesn't mean death, it may be girl child, it may be

> > > > hopeless

> > > > > > child, it may be a child with poor health, "

> > > > >

> > > > > Please kindly note that the above statement by you is

absurd

> > and

> > > > > insulting. Do you consider a girl born is as similar as a

> > > hopeless

> > > > > child?

> > > > > Or similar to a child with poor health? I am sure this has

> > > nothing

> > > > to

> > > > > do with gender but may be I agree with your other

suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the 21st century and gone are the days of the male

> > > > dominant

> > > > > society. Don't you have a mother, a sister, a wife or a

> > > daughter?

> > > > Do

> > > > > you think your mother was born to this world as a result of

a

> > > > malefic

> > > > > influence on the lagna lord placed in the 5H of her

mother's

> > > > horoscope?

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sorry to write like this...but never ever forget that

male

> > > > and

> > > > > female hold equal status in this world.

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>